Time for “K12 in one thread?”

[Max Rockatansky]

Generally I usually reply in K12 posts in a sarcastic tone given I get some amusement from them.  That said are we not reaching the point where his "ideas" have morphed into something akin to P13 or MMM?  Maybe it is time to start merging some of this stuff into a so-called "K12 in one thread?" 

I put together a recent tally of some of the weirder stuff K12 has been posting.  There is a huge emphasis on fictional AI car ideas that he seems to have spread into multiple threads:

Remember when I suggested there were benefits to easily moveable buildings and you mocked me?

Sorry you don't understand that most people don't want to live in cargo containers. Choosing to not live in flood zones is a smarter move.

You have a weird definition of "cargo container".

Are you not the one who is pushing for modular homes that resemble boxy shapes?  Does Conex box or trailer work better for you? 

I think we need a master list of recent weird K12 ideas.  Someone please let me know if I'm forgetting something.

-  150 MPH AI cars.
-  Narrower AI car lanes.
-  8,000 vehicles per hour AI car lanes.
-  Setting aside certain radio frequencies for AI cars
-  Maglev highways
-  Conex box homes.
-  The lost potential or ground effects vehicles.
-  Urban high speed automated walkways.

Recent K12 replies seem to suggest a level of trollish intent.  Some examples would be claiming the city of Phoenix is engaging in Orwellian government conspiracy and responding to several forum members with "remember when you mocked me?"  The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated). 

[kernals12]

Once again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.

"The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated)."
If you're going to start lobbing unfounded accusations at me, then maybe I should start reading some sort of bigotry into your bullying of a guy with Aspergers.

[hotdogPi]

I don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).

[Max Rockatansky]

Once again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.

Yeah...did you really think I was going to let that insinuation about native Americans in the Phoenix thread slide?  My oldest niece who I was the legal guardian of is part Mono.  I had a feeling that I was onto something with the actual motivations with all this anti-mass transit stuff.  Looks as though I was on the right track. 

Many here actually contribute something to the road hobby.  Your pseudo science has little or nothing to do with road fandom at all.  You haven't done anything in this community to endear yourself to anyone or earn the slightest bit of respect.  Why are you even here when it is plainly obvious how disliked you are? 

Seriously though, this kid is a problem.  He's been kicked off Reddit for being a troll already.  Do we really need another on this forum?

[Max Rockatansky]

I don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).

I was kinda with that line of thought until he compared Phoenix to the book 1984.  The reason he did that was because of how the city opted to remove a now offensive word from an AZ 51 planning document.  It more or less just confirmed what I suspected K12 was actually about for a long time.

But I'm going to disagree on this AI car stuff.  None of it is appreciably better than some of the things MMM was coming up.   It would be one thing if it was one thread, but it ain't.

[Max Rockatansky]

Once again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.

"The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated)."
If you're going to start lobbing unfounded accusations at me, then maybe I should start reading some sort of bigotry into your bullying of a guy with Aspergers.

Yeah whatever.  You ran with saying something pretty fucking ugly and are getting called out on it.  Do you really think that I'm afraid of you reporting me if I'm calling you out publicly? 

I'm willing to take the points or whatever consequence comes of this.  You don't breach lines like that and don't expect come out the other side unchallenged.

[kernals12]

Many here actually contribute something to the road hobby.  Your pseudo science has little or nothing to do with road fandom at all.  You haven't done anything in this community to endear yourself to anyone or earn the slightest bit of respect.  Why are you even here when it is plainly obvious how disliked you are? 

How are my speculations about driverless cars not part of road fandom?

I don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).

I was kinda with that line of thought until he compared Phoenix to the book 1984.  The reason he did that was because of how the city opted to remove a now offensive word from an AZ 51 planning document.  It more or less just confirmed what I suspected K12 was actually about for a long time.

But I'm going to disagree on this AI car stuff.  None of it is appreciably better than some of the things MMM was coming up.   It would be one thing if it was one thread, but it ain't.

I am simply opposed to altering historical records, is that a problem?

[hotdogPi]

I don't see what making a bigoted remark (which shouldn't have been done) has anything to do with "everything of this user should be combined into a single thread", as they are two unrelated issues. I don't remember anyone trying to do this with Crash_It with either the "20 year age difference" incident or the incident that actually got him banned.

To kernals12: there are ways to point out the anachronistic revision in a different tone of voice.

[kernals12]

Seriously though, this kid is a problem.  He's been kicked off Reddit for being a troll already.  Do we really need another on this forum?

I was not kicked off Reddit, I voluntarily left for the sake of my mental health.

[Max Rockatansky]

You never stated that in thread.  Do you not get how comparing that to 1984 reads?  1984 is a cautionary fiction about Totalitarian authority.  What "you don't say overtly" can speak so much when you compare something to George Orwell's books. 

Do you ever understand why someone like me might look at that and take issue?  Hell, I even tried to lob up a reply to see if you would backtrack or something.

I might be a stranger to you, but I'm not a stranger to a lot of people in this community.  You just don't fuck around when it comes to things like that.  My niece's tribe has tried to get that "particular" word removed as a local place name for awhile. 

[kernals12]

You never stated that in thread.  Do you not get how comparing that to 1984 reads?  1984 is a cautionary fiction about Totalitarian authority.  What "you don't say overtly" can speak so much when you compare something to George Orwell's books. 

Do you ever understand why someone like me might look at that and take issue?  Hell, I even tried to lob up a reply to see if you would backtrack or something.

When you start altering government documents to remove racist slurs, you open the door for all sorts of "revisions".

[Max Rockatansky]

You never stated that in thread.  Do you not get how comparing that to 1984 reads?  1984 is a cautionary fiction about Totalitarian authority.  What "you don't say overtly" can speak so much when you compare something to George Orwell's books. 

Do you ever understand why someone like me might look at that and take issue?  Hell, I even tried to lob up a reply to see if you would backtrack or something.

When you start altering government documents to remove racist slurs, you open the door for all sorts of "revisions".

I'm not asking you to support changing documents.  But comparing that Phoenix did to 1984 is just plain way the hell off the mark.  I certainly got a problem with the comparison.

[Max Rockatansky]

I don't see what making a bigoted remark (which shouldn't have been done) has anything to do with "everything of this user should be combined into a single thread", as they are two unrelated issues. I don't remember anyone trying to do this with Crash_It with either the "20 year age difference" incident or the incident that actually got him banned.

To kernals12: there are ways to point out the anachronistic revision in a different tone of voice.

There isn't much a correlation.  I was already ticked about the Phoenix deal but this thread wasn't initially about that. 

What prompted to write this thread was the whole "remember when you mocked me" reply he lobbed at another poster today.  That actually involved some of the weird fictional ideas.  What I wrote about the Phoenix thread came afterwards via a post edit.

Phoenix stuff aside, trying to spin every conversation towards AI cars is getting pretty annoying.

[Plutonic Panda]

Sorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?

[kernals12]

Sorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?

The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.

[formulanone]

Sorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?

The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.

I recall learning that a mountain is largely composed of non-sentient rock and doesn't actually care what we call it. Worrying further is a slippery-slope fallacy.

Now if anyone can call the mountain the name of their own choice, and get it to move and perhaps do some tricks, I'll be impressed...and honestly, very worried.

[PNWRoadgeek]

If I'm gonna be honest, I haven't interacted with K12 that much lately and I have no desire to. There's more important things than feeding a ridiculous user on here that only posts about how he hates public transit. That being said, K12 having his own thread is likely necessary, as it wouldn't be flooding the board with all his threads.

Comparing Phoenix to the likes of work such as Animal Farm and 1984 is certainly an opinion though.

[Plutonic Panda]

Sorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?

The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.

I guess I'm one of those assholes who could care less if a mountain is named as something racist or similar to the issues that they had with the McCarran airport name, I just don't give stuff like that much thought at all nor do I care. Maybe it does to some people, but I'm a straight white male and it makes no difference to me. I don't know if I would feel any different otherwise. With that being said, I'm not uncaring to other people's concerns but it makes me wonder if you even really know what Orwellian fiction is about. Have you even read the book?

Even though it's different animal farm has the same theme of a dictatorship being overthrown to be a democracy only to become a dictatorship again. I mean, the stuff isn't rocket science. I'm really failing to see where the Orwellian theme comes in due to a mountain's name being changed.

[kernals12]

Sorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?

The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.

I guess I'm one of those assholes who could care less if a mountain is named as something racist or similar to the issues that they had with the McCarran airport name, I just don't give stuff like that much thought at all nor do I care. Maybe it does to some people, but I'm a straight white male and it makes no difference to me. I don't know if I would feel any different otherwise. With that being said, I'm not uncaring to other people's concerns but it makes me wonder if you even really know what Orwellian fiction is about. Have you even read the book?

Even though it's different animal farm has the same theme of a dictatorship being overthrown to be a democracy only to become a dictatorship again. I mean, the stuff isn't rocket science. I'm really failing to see where the Orwellian theme comes in due to a mountain's name being changed.

They altered an official government document retroactively with the new name.

If I'm gonna be honest, I haven't interacted with K12 that much lately and I have no desire to. There's more important things than feeding a ridiculous user on here that only posts about how he hates public transit. That being said, K12 having his own thread is likely necessary, as it wouldn't be flooding the board with all his threads.

Comparing Phoenix to the likes of work such as Animal Farm and 1984 is certainly an opinion though.

That is verifiably false. I've written on a wide variety of topics that have nothing to do with public transit.

[Max Rockatansky]

Part of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents.  Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business.  That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.

Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get).  You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense.  That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.

While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone?  You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.

[Roadgeekteen]

I guess there isn't anything in the rules against making stupid posts. He's annoying sometimes but nowhere near MMM/P13 level annoying yet. Though he gets real defensive of his dumb ideas. At least when I made dumb posts in high school I admitted they weren't very good ideas. Plus the hates public transit stuff rubs me the wrong way.

[vdeane]

I don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).

He'd probably get less hate if he presented them as "this is a long shot, but what if..." instead of "this will happen" and "I think this is needed".  And if he wasn't as defensive about his ideas.  And if he wasn't posting multiple threads about the same stuff that most of the forum isn't interested in.

[Plutonic Panda]

Part of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents.  Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business.  That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.

Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get).  You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense.  That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.

While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone?  You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.

The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?

[Plutonic Panda]

And I'll also say this, him and me found some common ground on being pretty pro freeway. And I'm about the most pro freeway person that I personally know. Hell, sometimes I can even admit I go a little overboard. But I just can't get on board with somebody even who likes freeways as much as I do claim things like "I hate mass transit."

In the same way, I'll look at an anti car nut who wants to tear down all these urban freeways, I look at someone who doesn't see any benefit in mass transit in the same vein. It doesn't sound logical nor does it sound sincere. Well I suppose if you were brought up with a silver spoon in your mouth and you look down on those who use mass transit then I can at least understand that part.

But trying to argue that there are no benefits in mass transit? You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

[SectorZ]

Sorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?

The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.

I'm with Kernals on this one at least in spirit. Taking an old document and apparently changing a name is a bit on the sketchy side. I do have a problem with that. The name was offensive but it was also its name. I bet Stalin thought the guy he airbrushed out of that photo on the boat was "offensive" and did so for such reasons. I feel that anyone who doesn't understand why Kernals believes it's Orwellian may have never read 1984, because it tracks with the retroactively adjusting names/verbiage/words/etc. Maybe I wouldn't go that far but to be gang-assaulting him over it is ridiculous.

For what it's worth, does anyone remember what Arizona state route shields were? Should we just remove that from history too because of what some totalitarian nut job did with the same symbol? It's not used anymore but I doubt Arizona buries its existence, especially going to any point to airbrush a swastika out of old photos.