This is a thread about routes that have an end at a route that began or ended at the former route (route A ends at route B, route B ends at route A). They can be state routes, county routes, U.S. highways, or Interstates. This does not count routes that transform into a different route along the same ROW (like I-76 and NJ 42), but if two routes end at the same point it does.
PA 26 ends at PA 150, which started at PA 26 ~20 miles before.
PA 997 ends at PA 233, which had started at PA 997 ~50 miles before.
I-64 ends at I-664 and I-264, the former of which begun at I-64 ~20 miles before.
DE 141 starts in a concurrency with US 202 (both begin at US 13), then ends at US 202 north of Wilmington as it becomes DE 261.
Several coastal loops in CT with US 1 (CT 130, CT 162, CT 142, CT 146, CT 213, CT 215, US 1A)
In the past, CT/RI 14 began and ended at US 6 (until US 6 was rerouted onto the Willimantic bypass)
WV 62 and WV 25.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on March 25, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
PA 26 isn't a valid example...PA 150 ends at PA 26 at it's south junction, not the other way around.
That is what I had meant by that--I guess it might be hard to read?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 25, 2020, 11:18:51 AM
DE 141 starts in a concurrency with US 202 (both begin at US 13), then ends at US 202 north of Wilmington as it becomes DE 261.
Several coastal loops in CT with US 1 (CT 130, CT 162, CT 142, CT 146, CT 213, CT 215, US 1A)
US 202 starts along the concurrency with 141, but 141 actually extends further south.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on March 25, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
PA 965 starts and ends at US 62 (Mercer & Venango Counties)
PA 127 also starts and ends at US 62 (Forest and Warren Counties)
PA 59 starts and ends at US 6 (Warren and McKean Counties)
PA 462 starts and ends at US 30, but that's because PA 462 is a former routing of US 30 (York and Lancaster Counties)
PA 152 starts and ends at PA 309 (Montgomery and Bucks Counties)
There are a few that are close:
PA 394 starts and almost ends at PA 233 in Adams County
PA 262 starts near and ends near PA 382 in York County
PA 901 starts near and ends at PA 61 in Schuylkill and Northumberland Counties.
PA 902 starts near and ends at US 209 in Carbon County
PA 183 starts at and ends near PA 61 in Schuylkill and Berks Counties
901 ends at 183, 183 ends at 61, and 902 ends at 443.
I think the thread title is "Route A ends at Route B at one endpoint, and vice versa at the other" rather than one route that has both endpoints at the same route.
MN 27 ends at MN 28 outside Browns Valley. They meet again outside Little Falls, where they duplex into town and MN 28 quietly disappears as MN 27 continues east.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 25, 2020, 12:30:55 PM
I think the thread title is "Route A ends at Route B at one endpoint, and vice versa at the other" rather than one route that has both endpoints at the same route.
MN 27 ends at MN 28 outside Browns Valley. They meet again outside Little Falls, where they duplex into town and MN 28 quietly disappears as MN 27 continues east.
That actually makes more sense. Thanks!
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 25, 2020, 12:30:55 PM
I think the thread title is “Route A ends at Route B at one endpoint, and vice versa at the other” rather than one route that has both endpoints at the same route.
MN 27 ends at MN 28 outside Browns Valley. They meet again outside Little Falls, where they duplex into town and MN 28 quietly disappears as MN 27 continues east.
Yes, I had it wrong...I looked at the it wrong with the south end of PA 997.
US-425 ends at US-65 near Pine Bluff, AR. US-65 ends at US-425 in Clayton, LA.
The southern segment of PA 29 ends at PA 309. PA 309 ends at an intersection with the northern segment of PA 29.
Connecticut Route 53 splits into Connecticut Route 37 and 39.
PA 181 begins at the intersection of Bus. 83 and US 30, and Bus. 83 ends at the junction with I-83.
US 158 has its western terminus at US 64, and both routes terminate at each other on the eastern end
Makes me wonder why 158 isn't US 164...
Quote from: fillup420 on March 25, 2020, 04:52:15 PM
Makes me wonder why 158 isn't US 164...
Not to mention, the fact it doesn't even touch US-58. It only intersects US-258.
In California, Route 18 begins at Route 138 east of Palmdale, while Route 138 ends at Route 18 in Crestline.
I think this is what the OP means; hopefully it's a little more clear. CT 37/39/53 is not an example of this.
(https://i.imgur.com/53BXMpw.png)
W Burnside St and SW/NW Barnes Rd, Portland, for a non-highway example.
M-54 starts and ends at I-75.
Quote from: TheStranger on March 25, 2020, 06:21:20 PM
In California, Route 18 begins at Route 138 east of Palmdale, while Route 138 ends at Route 18 in Crestline.
Like this.
M-72's western end is at M-22 in Empire. M-22's "northern" end is at M-72 in Traverse City (M-22 bends around the Leelanau Peninsula).
Quote from: kurumi on March 26, 2020, 12:59:37 AM
I think this is what the OP means; hopefully it's a little more clear. CT 37/39/53 is not an example of this.
(https://i.imgur.com/53BXMpw.png)
I would think stuff like what NY 3A does here (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0190617,-75.6282813,12.5z) would also be in the "no" category.
Quote from: kurumi on March 26, 2020, 12:59:37 AM
I think this is what the OP means; hopefully it's a little more clear. CT 37/39/53 is not an example of this.
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I was trying to think of what to call the shape that would need to be formed, but just drawing it out is much easier. Thank you!
Quote from: vdeane on March 26, 2020, 12:40:14 PM
I would think stuff like what NY 3A does here (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0190617,-75.6282813,12.5z) would also be in the "no" category.
It's the right idea, it just doesn't work because NY 3 doesn't have an endpoint in the area. We would just need NY 3A to replace NY 3 in one direction or the other so that both routes would have an endpoint at the other.
Quote from: webny99 on March 26, 2020, 02:54:24 PM
It's the right idea, it just doesn't work because NY 3 doesn't have an endpoint in the area. We would just need NY 3A to replace NY 3 in one direction or the other so that both routes would have an endpoint at the other.
Except that was exactly the reason I mentioned it - there have been several examples of people posting "Route A ends at Route B at both ends, and Route B ends at Routes C and D" in this thread already.
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 26, 2020, 08:16:29 AM
M-54 starts and ends at I-75.
I think I have the wrong concept here but it seems like the title was different when I made this post.
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 26, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 26, 2020, 08:16:29 AM
M-54 starts and ends at I-75.
I think I have the wrong concept here but it seems like the title was different when I made this post.
It was. I disambiguated it.
I-385 and US-276 in Greenville and Mauldin, SC.
A number of routes qualify by ending at the same point as a loop route which branches off earlier:
I-64 and I-664 in Hampton & Bowers Hill, VA
US-360 and VA-360 in Scottburg and Danville, VA
US-278 and US-278 BUS in Hilton Head, SC
I-5 / I-805 in San Diego, CA should more or less count.
I-19 and BL 19 end at each other in Nogales, AZ. BL 19 later ends 5 miles northward.
CA 158 on the June Lake Loop starts and ends at US 395.
MA-6A starts at US-6 Exit 55 (1C) - AFAIK anyway, I think they finally officially routed it along the old US-6 bridge approach (which Exit 55 feeds into on the Westbound side).
US-6 then ends at MA-6A at Herring Cove, in Provincetown. Granted, MA-6A ends there as well. :-D
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on March 25, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
This is a thread about routes that have an end at a route that began or ended at the former route (route A ends at route B, route B ends at route A). They can be state routes, county routes, U.S. highways, or Interstates. This does not count routes that transform into a different route along the same ROW (like I-76 and NJ 42), but if two routes end at the same point it does.
PA 26 ends at PA 150, which started at PA 26 ~20 miles before.
PA 997 ends at PA 233, which had started at PA 997 ~50 miles before.
I-64 ends at I-664 and I-264, the former of which begun at I-64 ~20 miles before.
Here's a "sort of":
CASR-99 starts a I-5 near Wheeler Ridge, CA
I-5 ends at BC-99 near the USA/Canada International Boundary
Quote from: michravera on March 27, 2020, 03:29:51 AM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on March 25, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
This is a thread about routes that have an end at a route that began or ended at the former route (route A ends at route B, route B ends at route A). They can be state routes, county routes, U.S. highways, or Interstates. This does not count routes that transform into a different route along the same ROW (like I-76 and NJ 42), but if two routes end at the same point it does.
PA 26 ends at PA 150, which started at PA 26 ~20 miles before.
PA 997 ends at PA 233, which had started at PA 997 ~50 miles before.
I-64 ends at I-664 and I-264, the former of which begun at I-64 ~20 miles before.
Here's a "sort of":
CASR-99 starts a I-5 near Wheeler Ridge, CA
I-5 ends at BC-99 near the USA/Canada International Boundary
Another "sort of":
US 61 ends at I-35 in Minnesota. I-35 ends at MN 61 in Duluth, MN.
Quote from: michravera on March 27, 2020, 03:29:51 AM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on March 25, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
This is a thread about routes that have an end at a route that began or ended at the former route (route A ends at route B, route B ends at route A). They can be state routes, county routes, U.S. highways, or Interstates. This does not count routes that transform into a different route along the same ROW (like I-76 and NJ 42), but if two routes end at the same point it does.
PA 26 ends at PA 150, which started at PA 26 ~20 miles before.
PA 997 ends at PA 233, which had started at PA 997 ~50 miles before.
I-64 ends at I-664 and I-264, the former of which begun at I-64 ~20 miles before.
Here's a "sort of":
CASR-99 starts a I-5 near Wheeler Ridge, CA
I-5 ends at BC-99 near the USA/Canada International Boundary
I wish that was still true...in US 99 form of course. CA 99 doesn't even reach I-5 at it's north terminus these days and stops at CA 36.
Oddly AZ 202 now actually does start and end at I-10 with the new segment open. ADOT as of recent decades has been really against highways starting and ending at the same route for some reason.
This is the closest I can get involving Indiana. IN 64 ends at IL 15, and IL 15 ends at I-64.
Indiana being on a grid doesn't lend itself well to this type of situation.
I have a "sort of but not really" in Wisconsin. I-41 and I-43 basically end at each other in Green Bay, but I think it would be most accurate to say that I-43 ends at I-41 because US-41 continues as a freeway northward for 15 miles. In Greenfield, the interchange between I-41, US-41, I-43, US-45, and I-894 (!) is the last point on I-41's route where it is not multiplexed with another 2di.
So, you could say that if WISDOT wasn't quirky with their concurrences and their interstate termini, this would qualify. For now, it does not.
Not sure if County routes count in this thread but in Walworth County WI Hwy ES ends at Hwy A which originally started at Hwy ES.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 27, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
This is the closest I can get involving Indiana. IN 64 ends at IL 15, and IL 15 ends at I-64.
And IN 64 ends at I-64. :-D
Quote from: dvferyance on March 28, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
Not sure if County routes count in this thread but in Walworth County WI Hwy ES ends at Hwy A which originally started at Hwy ES.
County routes count cause it carries local cars and makes it good to find.
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on March 28, 2020, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 28, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
Not sure if County routes count in this thread but in Walworth County WI Hwy ES ends at Hwy A which originally started at Hwy ES.
County routes count cause it carries local cars and makes it good to find.
Actually my own residential street does this it ends at another street which started from my own street.
Quote from: dvferyance on April 04, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on March 28, 2020, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 28, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
Not sure if County routes count in this thread but in Walworth County WI Hwy ES ends at Hwy A which originally started at Hwy ES.
County routes count cause it carries local cars and makes it good to find.
Actually my own residential street does this it ends at another street which started from my own street.
One near me ends at another street, but the right-of-way ends at itself.
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on April 04, 2020, 10:22:52 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on April 04, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on March 28, 2020, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 28, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
Not sure if County routes count in this thread but in Walworth County WI Hwy ES ends at Hwy A which originally started at Hwy ES.
County routes count cause it carries local cars and makes it good to find.
Actually my own residential street does this it ends at another street which started from my own street.
One near me ends at another street, but the right-of-way ends at itself.
How's that work?
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 05, 2020, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on April 04, 2020, 10:22:52 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on April 04, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on March 28, 2020, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 28, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
Not sure if County routes count in this thread but in Walworth County WI Hwy ES ends at Hwy A which originally started at Hwy ES.
County routes count cause it carries local cars and makes it good to find.
Actually my own residential street does this it ends at another street which started from my own street.
One near me ends at another street, but the right-of-way ends at itself.
How's that work?
The one street turns right at a T-intersection, going along the right-of-way at a street that ends at it. It then ends at that same street not long after. While the street doesn't end at itself, the right-of-way certainly does.
So, there doesn't seem to be an abundance of examples on the state/numbered highway level (simply because of the illogical nature of the situation numbering-wise) but we could inject some new life by going micro: this happens all over the place in residential neighborhoods!
This neighborhood alone (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1877335,-77.4912003,16.29z/data=!5m1!1e1) has two such examples. Here's another one (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0846502,-77.4119963,17.17z/data=!5m1!1e1). And another (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1811488,-77.7404078,18z/data=!5m1!1e1). And finally, a quintessential example (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1877335,-77.4912003,16.29z/data=!5m1!1e1); the real-life version of the visual posted upthread!
Which neighborhood has the most examples? Surely there are some out there with 3 or more.
ME 3 and ME 102 on Mount Desert Island.
NY 265's southern terminus is at NY 266 in Buffalo.
NY 266's northern terminus is at NY 265 in Tonawanda.
No examples in NJ,as far as I know
Interstate 19 ends at BL 19 in Nogales, Arizona. BL 19 ends at I-19 not far north from there.
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on April 18, 2020, 10:16:05 PM
Interstate 19 ends at BL 19 in Nogales, Arizona. BL 19 ends at I-19 not far north from there.
I seem to remember that there was some sort of mandate a decade or so ago that no Arizona State Highway could start/end at the same route. That seems to ring true through the State Highway system as previous examples like AZ 88 were partially spun off into AZ 188 and AZ 66 was truncated to the Yavapai County line.
Edge case I just found, but
NY 48 begins at I-690 west of Syracuse. NY 690 ends at NY 48 about five miles northwest of that.
At one time US 13 ended at US 301 in NC with US 301 ending at US 13 in DE. Now US 13 ends at I-95 in NC as it was truncated some and US 301 has been realigned to first end at US 40 and now end at DE 1.
Now that the PA Turnpike / I-95 interchange is complete (at least for the thru I-95 movement), I-276 ends at I-295 and vice versa. Bonus points for the two not having an interchange with each other because both become I-95 in opposite directions.
Similarly, NJ 168 and the Atlantic City Expressway also end at each other without an interchange because both become NJ 42 in opposite directions.
An international example:
The south terminus of Metro Manila Skyway in Susana Heights, Muntinlupa is at the South Luzon Expressway:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Susana+Heights+Subdivision/@14.4044277,121.0342476,16z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x3397d0de2d79d097:0x629b6e8b3e7e7e35!8m2!3d14.3736291!4d121.0378102!16s%2Fg%2F1tqfyw4f?entry=ttu
The north terminus of the South Luzon Expressway is a bit more nebulous, as it transitions into the Osmena Highway urban boulevard at the Magallanes Interchange with EDSA (which Skyway passes directly over), but the last limited-access link is at Metro Manila Skyway right at the Buendia Avenue ramp complex:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Buendia/@14.5640791,121.0035282,17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x3397c972fef9e02d:0x8b0d4a85b6b28ce4!8m2!3d14.5570646!4d121.0082382!16s%2Fm%2F05zly99?entry=ttu
(This interchange setup is also the unique situation where a preexisting diamond interchange, the 1979-era Buendia Flyover where SLEX/Osmena crosses over Buendia, has another, larger expressway viaduct directly above it which opened in 2019 -
https://www.google.com/maps/@14.5581806,121.0080658,3a,75y,245.63h,92.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDkiRAgBKjj-Ckx8M6zpwiQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DDkiRAgBKjj-Ckx8M6zpwiQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D245.63055252509645%26pitch%3D-2.6823188929213444%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu )
Worth noting here is that three Skyway exits in Makati basically piggyback off of exits on SLEX/Osmena: Magallanes, Don Bosco, and Buendia. Amorsolo Street's exit from northbound Skyway (with a corresponding onramp to southbound Skyway from A. Arnaiz Avenue (Pasay Road)) is the only one that independently links to the newer highway.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 06, 2024, 06:28:15 PMAt one time US 13 ended at US 301 in NC with US 301 ending at US 13 in DE. Now US 13 ends at I-95 in NC as it was truncated some and US 301 has been realigned to first end at US 40 and now end at DE 1.
US 13 has never ended at US 301 in North Carolina. I believe the reason for this is that NC was trying to extended US 13 further southwest, using I-95 to Fayetteville, then along US 401 as they were trying to get US 13 extended to different points throughout the 1960s, Cheraw SC; Abbeville, SC; New Orleans LA
Port Orange FL has both FL A1A and FL 421 end at each other at US 1.
One could say now both FL 417 and FL 429 end at each other now that the Orlando Beltway is completed.
In Gloucester MA, route 127 ends at a rotary with route 128, and then a few miles up 128 crosses 127 and ends a block later at 127A. The interesting thing is that 127 goes way up into Rockport and does a big loop before coming back down to end at 128. Very scenic ride.