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[In_Correct]

That is something you and I agree on.  We need hard shoulders more than we need more lanes on the state highways.  Leaving them without shoulders is leaving them incomplete.  Finish the highways we already have first.

Many of the roads do not have either of those.

That doesn't mean nothing can be done to work towards it.  I'm not expecting it to happen tomorrow.  I'm expecting it to happen.  Affordable, timely transportation that doesn't require a car is something that this state needs to remain economically viable or people are going to leave for someplace where they don't have to just light $5000-8000/year on fire.  Cost of living keeps going up, but wages sure aren't.

But who will build it? The Oklahoma Rail Authority??

[Plutonic Panda]

Has a street sign ever been used to patch a pothole before? It has now:

https://twitter.com/connor_r_hansen/status/1235021933944557570?s=21

[Scott5114]

I'm going to say that's against the MUTCD...

[US71]

I'm going to say that's against the MUTCD...

Yes, it probably is. What's your point?

[Bobby5280]

Maybe it's a political statement about the funds from the first fuel tax hike in over 25 years going to fund pay raises for "those damn pinko commie teachers" rather than fixing them thar roads.

Hmm. Maybe they should have used a school crosswalk sign for that patch job.

[Plutonic Panda]

New CIRB update:

On Aug. 3, the Oklahoma Transportation Commission approved the nearly $880 million County Improvements for Roads and Bridges plan that has been updated for State Fiscal Years 2021 through 2025, which is designed to address projects like the Belford bridge.

- https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/oklahoma-counties-to-benefit-from-bridge-road-upgrades/49439

[Plutonic Panda]

OkDOT bridge rankings go from the worst to the top ten:

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Oklahoma highway bridge conditions are making the grade by moving from among the worst in the nation to the head of the class, achieving Top 10 status for the first time by ranking ninth, according to the latest data from the Federal Highway Administration.

The state was as low as 49th place in 2004 in national bridge condition rankings due to the number of structurally deficient bridges on the state highway system.
https://www.ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=277&article_id=61222

[Scott5114]

Of note is that this #9 ranking is only considering state-owned bridges, and does not reflect deficient bridges at the county or local level.

[dchristy]

Thanks for the clarification.....I was wondering how Oklahoma had moved up 40 places when the county and local bridges are largely still insufficient.

[Plutonic Panda]

Looks like they updated their website. It’s not bad but it was tricky to find press releases and instead of summarized traffic and road updates every weekday they direct you to Twitter which I don’t care for:

https://oklahoma.gov/odot.html

[Scott5114]

Looks like they updated their website. It’s not bad but it was tricky to find press releases and instead of summarized traffic and road updates every weekday they direct you to Twitter which I don’t care for:

https://oklahoma.gov/odot.html

I like the "Memorial Highways & Bridgets Naming Program". Guess ODOT wants to eliminate all the Bridgets in Oklahoma and give them new names.

[bwana39]

Has a street sign ever been used to patch a pothole before? It has now:

https://twitter.com/connor_r_hansen/status/1235021933944557570?s=21

Good catch. Also a GREAT reuse of an existing surplus item. They could have gone ,  bought and cut a piece of sheet metal and put it there. Probably a couple hundred extra dollars.  The purpose of the sign was to keep the concrete from running out when they scabbed the pothole. Generally you remove the media you use to frame a concrete placement. This time they left the scrapped signs in place....

[Scott5114]

They could have also replaced the bridge before that was necessary...

[rte66man]

They could have also replaced the bridge before that was necessary...

At least they are working on the replacement as we speak.

[Plutonic Panda]

They could have also replaced the bridge before that was necessary...

The state also shares some blame for underfunding ODOT I would argue.

[Plutonic Panda]

https://www.odot.org/cwp-8-year-plan/cwp_ffy2020-ffy2027/8_year_cwp_divisiontul_map.pdf The new 8 year plan was released:

On a side note, is there an I-444 in Tulsa?

[mvak36]

https://www.odot.org/cwp-8-year-plan/cwp_ffy2020-ffy2027/8_year_cwp_divisiontul_map.pdf The new 8 year plan was released:

On a side note, is there an I-444 in Tulsa?

Unsigned, but yes.

[US71]

https://www.odot.org/cwp-8-year-plan/cwp_ffy2020-ffy2027/8_year_cwp_divisiontul_map.pdf The new 8 year plan was released:

On a side note, is there an I-444 in Tulsa?

Unsigned, but yes.

It's on some maps, but not signed in field.

[Plutonic Panda]

Sorry but that was not the new 8yr plan release. This is the real one for 2021-28. Lots of projects have been pushed back as expected. Even before the coronavirus Oklahoma has been unstable with its budget and the virus just made it even worse. Not ODOTs fault, but the state as a whole needs to stop being so damn cheap and find ways to raise taxes to increase revenue. Hopefully next years plan will be better.

https://oklahoma.gov/odot/programs-and-projects/8-year-construction-work-plan.html

[Bobby5280]

This plan is essentially a nothing-burger for Southwest Oklahoma. The only project of real significance is the proposed bypass around the West side of Chickasha. It's the biggest project in this region by an extremely wide margin. The Duncan Bypass will get a $6 million interchange for Elk Avenue. Here in Lawton, the biggest city in SW OK, we may get some puny "safety improvement" for Rogers Lane (US-62). I have no idea what that "safety improvement" may be. The stupid road doesn't even have any shoulders.

[Plutonic Panda]

OkDOT should be preserving ROW for new freeways in Lawton in the future if growth ever warrants. Lawton has potential if they market themselves right.

The US-81 bypass has been delayed a few years.

[notassociated]

They could have also replaced the bridge before that was necessary...

The state also shares some blame for underfunding ODOT I would argue.

They'd have the money if they weren't pissing it away on unnecessary freeway expansion.

[Plutonic Panda]

They could have also replaced the bridge before that was necessary...

The state also shares some blame for underfunding ODOT I would argue.

They'd have the money if they weren't pissing it away on unnecessary freeway expansion.

The freeway expansion isn’t unnecessary and it also represents a very small part of their budget. They absolutely would not have the money to do what is needed and billions of dollars is needed in Oklahoma for proactive freeway expansion. We need more freeways not mass transit if that’s what it comes down to.

[Scott5114]

They could have also replaced the bridge before that was necessary...

The state also shares some blame for underfunding ODOT I would argue.

They'd have the money if they weren't pissing it away on unnecessary freeway expansion.

More like pissing it away on things like State Highway 96.

[notassociated]

They could have also replaced the bridge before that was necessary...

The state also shares some blame for underfunding ODOT I would argue.

They'd have the money if they weren't pissing it away on unnecessary freeway expansion.

The freeway expansion isn’t unnecessary and it also represents a very small part of their budget. They absolutely would not have the money to do what is needed and billions of dollars is needed in Oklahoma for proactive freeway expansion. We need more freeways not mass transit if that’s what it comes down to.

Appropriate built and maintained transportation infrastructure doesn't necessitate thousands of lane-miles of freeway in the urban context.  Treating Tulsa, Tahlequah, Oklahoma City, Bartlesville, Muskogee, McAlester and Lawton like they're Fort Supply is a catastrophically stupid waste of money.