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Red Circle on No Turn On Red Signs

Started by roadman65, August 28, 2023, 03:56:11 AM

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roadman65

https://goo.gl/maps/zeA1L69U5XipAQpMA

How many states now are using the NTOR signs with the large red dot lately?
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1995hoo

Fairfax City, Virginia, has been using either those or a version without the words "on Red" for years now (example showing two such: https://goo.gl/maps/bwH9jptW38oxuxg77 ), although more recently they've started adding the two words in question when replacing older signs. Someone on the forum, I think it was Takumi, referred to the version without those two words as "No Turn on Japan."
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roadfro

Nevada DOT has used the version with symbolic red on occasion, but prefers the plain text version.

In one recent sign replacement, they initially installed the version with red dot but had to remove it and put in the all-text version. Why? The approach they installed it on has signal heads using red arrows.
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Dough4872

It seems like newer signs in Pennsylvania are starting to use them, although many older signs without the red circle remain.

freebrickproductions

There are some here in Huntsville that use a red arrow variant.
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Henry

AFAIK, neither IL nor WA have red circles on their signs.
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jakeroot

#7
I don't think symbolic NTOR signs are permitted anymore. Could have that wrong, but I'm quite confident they have to be 100% textual now.

Disregard above, I think it's the "no [turn arrow]" variant that was disallowed.

Example before in Seattle of a symbolic NTOR sign: https://goo.gl/maps/iGnX38D6FoeAH2dc6
Example after, all text now: https://goo.gl/maps/K4uvNSzwhvXzz8ePA

Example before in Seattle of an all-symbol NTOR sign (identical to Canadian NTOR signs): https://goo.gl/maps/HjQL5TG6bC39r5vK8
Example after; again, all text now (including the overhead sign): https://goo.gl/maps/ju4tLERUQRGZrUzp6

Big John

^^ R10-11 is the sign with the red ball is in the 2009 MUTCD.

jakeroot

Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 02:36:58 AM
^^ R10-11 is the sign with the red ball is in the 2009 MUTCD.

Thank you. I think it was actually the "no [turn arrow]" variations that were disallowed, not the variant with the red circle.

Henry

Quote from: ErmineNotyours on August 28, 2023, 11:08:42 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 28, 2023, 09:40:00 PM
AFAIK, neither IL nor WA have red circles on their signs.

Renton, Washington.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 29, 2023, 01:03:31 AM
I don't think symbolic NTOR signs are permitted anymore. Could have that wrong, but I'm quite confident they have to be 100% textual now.

Disregard above, I think it's the "no [turn arrow]" variant that was disallowed.

Example before in Seattle of a symbolic NTOR sign: https://goo.gl/maps/iGnX38D6FoeAH2dc6
Example after, all text now: https://goo.gl/maps/K4uvNSzwhvXzz8ePA

Example before in Seattle of an all-symbol NTOR sign (identical to Canadian NTOR signs): https://goo.gl/maps/HjQL5TG6bC39r5vK8
Example after; again, all text now (including the overhead sign): https://goo.gl/maps/ju4tLERUQRGZrUzp6
Glad that I've been proved wrong on WA; have yet to see one in IL.
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RestrictOnTheHanger

NY uses the NTOR sign with the red ball at the bottom, but there are still some old all text ones in use.

lstone19

Quote from: Henry on August 28, 2023, 09:40:00 PM
AFAIK, neither IL nor WA have red circles on their signs.

Schaumburg, IL


steviep24

NYSDOT uses them. There are also signs with a green circle.

Brandon

Quote from: Henry on August 28, 2023, 09:40:00 PM
AFAIK, neither IL nor WA have red circles on their signs.

Wanna bet?  Illinois has a lot of these "No Turn On Red Japan" signs.
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