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[tolbs17]

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock

Why did you post them in this thread?

Cause they are weird looking.

[kphoger]

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock

Why did you post them in this thread?

Cause they are weird looking.

That's not what I was getting at.

Newborn wombats are weird-looking too, but they don't belong in this thread either.

[tolbs17]

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock

Why did you post them in this thread?

Cause they are weird looking.

That's not what I was getting at.

Newborn wombats are weird-looking too, but they don't belong in this thread either.

I was saying how can people read that at a tiny font size?

[1]

It's not overhead.

[kphoger]

It's not overhead.

bingo

[Occidental Tourist]

Maybe tolbs17 is really short.

[Scott5114]

Most signs are overhead if you're not in a car. But most people take "overhead" to mean "posted above the travel lanes".

[tolbs17]

Maybe tolbs17 is really short.

no

[Occidental Tourist]

I tried.

[interstatefan990]

Key difference is between overhead and over head.

[tolbs17]

Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

[Scott5114]

Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)

[tolbs17]

Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)

And DDIs.

[tolbs17]

Eastbound US-264 heading into Greenville at the Highway 11 bypass the "Greenville DOWNTOWN" sign is placed odd. they should have made it look more like this without the lighting.

[tolbs17]

The one that says "Louisburg" looks funny. And both signs need replacement because of the wear and tear.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8614408,-78.547374,3a,71.3y,318.44h,99.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2nkwsjCmCn13pZHCmqYFhw!2e0!5s20180901T000000!7i13312!8i6656

[wanderer2575]

Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)

Most diamond interchanges don't have a split at the end of the exit ramp.  Where there is a split (SPUI or DDI) I usually see directional signs.

I've never thought about it before, but you raise a valid question of why is there a standard of posting directional signage on a SPUI or DDI ramp but not on a traditional diamond ramp.

[webny99]

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]

[SkyPesos]

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]

I'm questioning why almost every BGS design was used for the I-81/88 interchange. You have the APL linked, then a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location, then a diagrammatic, then finally, the 2 panel display with angled arrows for the exit. Can they pick one type and stick with it?

[webny99]

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]

I'm questioning why almost every BGS design was used for the I-81/88 interchange. You have the APL linked, then a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location, then a diagrammatic, then finally, the 2 panel display with angled arrows for the exit. Can they pick one type and stick with it?

Yeah, it leaves a lot to be desired. The APL I originally linked to went up as part of the I-81/I-86/NY 17 (Prospect Mountain interchange) overhaul, while the other 3 in your post are all much older and should be replaced, IMO. NY uses APL's now, so if these were replaced, the diagrammatic would presumably become an APL. And yes, it is ridiculous that the "JCT I-88" comes after the APL... even though I have some serious issues with the APL, that 3/4 mile advance should probably be eliminated altogether.

I'll follow up in a separate post with some of my own suggestions for improved signage here.

[Big John]

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]

The lane that is ending should not have an up arrow.

[Rothman]

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]

I also hate that sign with a passion.  It's been up for a while and I contend it causes lane confusion for those who want to take I-88.

[Scott5114]

a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.

[webny99]

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]

I also hate that sign with a passion.  It's been up for a while and I contend it causes lane confusion for those who want to take I-88.

Yeah, I remember discussing it in the not-too-distant past, can't remember in what thread.

Here's how I'd do it:





...followed by two more APL's north of the US 11 interchange.

[plain]

a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.

Great catch!!!


Also, in this case, I don't think an APL should be used at all until the gore point.

[JoePCool14]

a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.

Indeed a good catch. Someone was definitely having some fun there.