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Why does I-76 end at I-295? why not extend it along NJ 42?

Started by Buummu, April 26, 2011, 08:16:18 PM

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Alps

Quote from: KEVIN_224 on February 08, 2012, 03:20:21 PM
Seeing as I already won't use "128" by itself like the locals do, and that it's not signed as such on that stretch anymore, I won't call it that. I won't even use "Boston Post Road" in Fairfield County, CT. I will only call it US Route 1 or "Route 1".

Sorry for straying off of topic. OK...back to southern New Jersey now! :)
Well, if you insist on sticking out like a sore thumb, go right ahead. We'll make fun of you for it.


jp the roadgeek

After 9 1/2 years



For fun, here's some signage for an extended I-76 to AC (and I-676 with mileage based exits in NJ and PA)

Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

InfamousMFD478

I live in South Jersey, and absolutely HATE it. I-76 SHOULD extend to Atlantic City, with every exit number redesignated. For one, that state would either have to reconstruct the entire 42 Freeway, because it is NOT near standard. It would also either need HOT lanes, or a separate EZ Pass lane line in Atlanta on I-75. Philly/Jersey the only large metro area without this. Then, and this is a BIG one, an exit with the NJ Turnpike. That would have to be first. One CANNOT get from Turnersville/Deptford/Glassboro to North Jersey, without hitting a traffic light on Black Horse Pike, go through the middle of a truck stop in Bordentown, or drive down I-195. South Jerseys highway infrastructure is in shambles. Look at the highways in North Jersey. They have highways that can go from the Turnpike to EVERY crossing into NY.

InfamousMFD478

Quote from: Alps on August 16, 2011, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 16, 2011, 02:49:20 PMWhile they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike?  Or would that make too much sense?
Separate project because it would be paid for by the Tpk, as opposed to DOT/Feds. Also, it's over a mile south, beyond the Creek Rd. interchange. NJTA has looked into it, it would involve wetlands impacts in the NE quadrant of the crossing, and obviously would replace the existing Exit 3. More likely is an upgrade to Benigno Blvd., possibly up-posting to 35 mph+, to directly connect Exit 3 on the Tpk to Exit 14 on 42.

Nope. Go to North Jersey. Every highway connects to the GS Parkway and it parallels the Turnpike up there. And gets to EVERY crossing into NY. But you can't construct an exit in the same state to the 6th largest city in the country?? I'm not hearing that. NJTA and the NJDOT need to read all this.

epzik8

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The Ghostbuster

If Interstate 76 was going to ever be extended to Atlantic City, it would have been extended well before now. Although I agree 76 should end in Atlantic City, it will never happen.

boilerup25

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Quote from: epzik8 on December 25, 2024, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 11, 2021, 09:40:53 PM

I know this is 3 years old, but this is major dedication.

I also appreciate it! I was also thinking about this: the Brigantine Connector should either become an eastern extension of I-76 as NJ 76 (retains the mileage of I-76), or should become a signed state route that serves as an I-76 auxiliary: e.g. NJ 176, NJ 376.

On a side note, NJ 42 could be re-extended back along NJ 168 if I-76 takes over the NJ 42 freeway.

jeffandnicole

Why doesn't anyone write about the GSP not having an interstate number south of I-195?  I-195 could easily be continued from the GSP all the way down to Exit 0 of the Parkway.  The only thing truly missing is upgrading the interchange between current 195, 34 and the GSP.  South of this area, the Parkway would be nearly fully Interstate compliant.  Other issues may be a lack of a full shoulder on the NB span of the Great Egg Harbor bridge, and a few access points from the left lane.

Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:27:24 AMI live in South Jersey, and absolutely HATE it. I-76 SHOULD extend to Atlantic City, with every exit number redesignated. For one, that state would either have to reconstruct the entire 42 Freeway, because it is NOT near standard. It would also either need HOT lanes, or a separate EZ Pass lane line in Atlanta on I-75. Philly/Jersey the only large metro area without this. Then, and this is a BIG one, an exit with the NJ Turnpike. That would have to be first. One CANNOT get from Turnersville/Deptford/Glassboro to North Jersey, without hitting a traffic light on Black Horse Pike, go through the middle of a truck stop in Bordentown, or drive down I-195. South Jerseys highway infrastructure is in shambles. Look at the highways in North Jersey. They have highways that can go from the Turnpike to EVERY crossing into NY.

The good news - the NJ Turnpike is considering an interchange with Rt. 42, either as part of the future widening of the Turnpike between Interchanges 1 - 4 or a separate project.

Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 16, 2011, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 16, 2011, 02:49:20 PMWhile they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike?  Or would that make too much sense?
Separate project because it would be paid for by the Tpk, as opposed to DOT/Feds. Also, it's over a mile south, beyond the Creek Rd. interchange. NJTA has looked into it, it would involve wetlands impacts in the NE quadrant of the crossing, and obviously would replace the existing Exit 3. More likely is an upgrade to Benigno Blvd., possibly up-posting to 35 mph+, to directly connect Exit 3 on the Tpk to Exit 14 on 42.

Nope. Go to North Jersey. Every highway connects to the GS Parkway and it parallels the Turnpike up there. And gets to EVERY crossing into NY. But you can't construct an exit in the same state to the 6th largest city in the country?? I'm not hearing that. NJTA and the NJDOT need to read all this.

Both departments are well aware of the desire to have this occur.  Doesn't mean its easy or cheap.


ixnay


InfamousMFD478

Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 26, 2024, 11:46:47 AMWhy doesn't anyone write about the GSP not having an interstate number south of I-195?  I-195 could easily be continued from the GSP all the way down to Exit 0 of the Parkway.  The only thing truly missing is upgrading the interchange between current 195, 34 and the GSP.  South of this area, the Parkway would be nearly fully Interstate compliant.  Other issues may be a lack of a full shoulder on the NB span of the Great Egg Harbor bridge, and a few access points from the left lane.

Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:27:24 AMI live in South Jersey, and absolutely HATE it. I-76 SHOULD extend to Atlantic City, with every exit number redesignated. For one, that state would either have to reconstruct the entire 42 Freeway, because it is NOT near standard. It would also either need HOT lanes, or a separate EZ Pass lane line in Atlanta on I-75. Philly/Jersey the only large metro area without this. Then, and this is a BIG one, an exit with the NJ Turnpike. That would have to be first. One CANNOT get from Turnersville/Deptford/Glassboro to North Jersey, without hitting a traffic light on Black Horse Pike, go through the middle of a truck stop in Bordentown, or drive down I-195. South Jerseys highway infrastructure is in shambles. Look at the highways in North Jersey. They have highways that can go from the Turnpike to EVERY crossing into NY.

The good news - the NJ Turnpike is considering an interchange with Rt. 42, either as part of the future widening of the Turnpike between Interchanges 1 - 4 or a separate project.

Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 16, 2011, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 16, 2011, 02:49:20 PMWhile they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike?  Or would that make too much sense?
Separate project because it would be paid for by the Tpk, as opposed to DOT/Feds. Also, it's over a mile south, beyond the Creek Rd. interchange. NJTA has looked into it, it would involve wetlands impacts in the NE quadrant of the crossing, and obviously would replace the existing Exit 3. More likely is an upgrade to Benigno Blvd., possibly up-posting to 35 mph+, to directly connect Exit 3 on the Tpk to Exit 14 on 42.

Nope. Go to North Jersey. Every highway connects to the GS Parkway and it parallels the Turnpike up there. And gets to EVERY crossing into NY. But you can't construct an exit in the same state to the 6th largest city in the country?? I'm not hearing that. NJTA and the NJDOT need to read all this.

Both departments are well aware of the desire to have this occur.  Doesn't mean its easy or cheap.



I know that NJTA is 'considering' constructing an exit to 42. It should've been done to connect to 55 years ago. I'm just saying, they built a mall and 2 stadiums on top of a larger swamp in North Jersey, least NJDOT can do, is redo the terrible infrastructure in this part of the state, because it is sorry. I'm considering moving from here because I hate driving down here...

The Ghostbuster

How would an interchange between NJ 700 (New Jersey Turnpike) and NJ 42 be constructed without conflicting with the reconstructed interchange with Interstates 76 and 295, (not to mention 42's Exit 14) and the northern terminus of NJ 55?

02 Park Ave

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 01, 2025, 01:31:33 PMHow would an interchange between NJ 700 (New Jersey Turnpike) and NJ 42 be constructed without conflicting with the reconstructed interchange with Interstates 76 and 295, (not to mention 42's Exit 14) and the northern terminus of NJ 55?

I have heard that Route 55 was originally intended to terminate at the Turnpike's Exit 3 and to be serve as the connection with Route 42 from the Turnpike.  If true, those plans could be dusted off.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on January 02, 2025, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 01, 2025, 01:31:33 PMHow would an interchange between NJ 700 (New Jersey Turnpike) and NJ 42 be constructed without conflicting with the reconstructed interchange with Interstates 76 and 295, (not to mention 42's Exit 14) and the northern terminus of NJ 55?

I have heard that Route 55 was originally intended to terminate at the Turnpike's Exit 3 and to be serve as the connection with Route 42 from the Turnpike.  If true, those plans could be dusted off.

I think these are always rumored plans because of how easily it appears it could've been done. I've never seen anything showing there was any intention of 55 continuing to the Turnpike.

Even the originally built 55 didn't have its own dedicated lane onto 42 back in the mid-1980's.  It merged from 2 lanes to 1 lane prior to the flyover bridge, then had a short merge into the 3 lane NJ 42.  During a period of construction from 1995-1999, Rt. 42 was widened from 3 to 4 lanes in each direction, including new overpasses over the Turnpike and Big Timber Creek, finally giving 55 its own lane onto Rt. 42.

NJRoadfan

Any additional interchange there would likely require some sort of collector-distributor setup. Traffic is bad enough as it is, and adding another interchange in that close proximity would result in even more of a weaving mess.

NJ-42 itself is an oddity south of NJ-55. Its mostly untouched 1950s NJDOT freeway with a lot of original concrete.

Interstatefan78

For the ACE section which itself is the continuation of NJ 42 there's spots where it's not interstate standard. Upgrade those and then I-76 can be extended to AC via the current ACE exit 7 GSP Cape May NYC.

Rothman

Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Interstatefan78 on January 14, 2025, 11:02:31 PMFor the ACE section which itself is the continuation of NJ 42 there's spots where it's not interstate standard. Upgrade those and then I-76 can be extended to AC via the current ACE exit 7 GSP Cape May NYC.

NJ, including NJDOT and the toll authorities, have never indicated they desire an interstate number here, along with adding the NJ Turnpike from Interchanges 1-6, and the GSP from Cape May to I-195 to the Interstate ayatem.

roadman65

All freeways don't need to be interstates. Look at NC and how it's gone with upgrading US routes to interstates.

NJ needs to focus on widening it's to overcrowded two lane highways as that's the concern. The ACE is fine handling traffic and posting an I-76 banner won't improve anything except to please us here.
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