The Wikipedia, and now the AARoads Wiki, have a discussion of how the US Route shield have changed over time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_shield
https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/U.S._Route_shield
Is there something similar out there for the Interstate shield?
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on March 28, 2024, 01:23:53 PMThe Wikipedia, and now the AARoads Wiki, have a discussion of how the US Route shield have changed over time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_shield
https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/U.S._Route_shield
Is there something similar out there for the Interstate shield?
Has the interstate shield changed all that much since it was adopted? I know there were varying proposals with different designs, but the actual design hasn't changed much other than most states dropping the state name.
It's still a reworked and colorized version of the unit insignia of the USArmy's 2nd Infantry Division.
:nod:
Mike
The Interstate shield has barely changed. 1961 brought neutered shields and then 1970 altered the geometry of the wide shield.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on March 28, 2024, 01:38:17 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on March 28, 2024, 01:23:53 PMThe Wikipedia, and now the AARoads Wiki, have a discussion of how the US Route shield have changed over time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_shield
https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/U.S._Route_shield
Is there something similar out there for the Interstate shield?
Has the interstate shield changed all that much since it was adopted? I know there were varying proposals with different designs, but the actual design hasn't changed much other than most states dropping the state name.
The border width was reduced with revisions. There are some adjustments with the crown height as well.
Best to look at the older specifications versus the standard neutered design to see the differences:
(https://www.aaroads.com/ia/074/53rd-st-w-at-i-074-2.jpg)
And some states dropped the state name early on, but kept the border width and crown height the same. This 1968 installation from Idaho is one of the earlier uses of that:
(https://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/ID/ID19830151l1.jpg)
Hm. Can't remember the history of bubble shields.
Quote from: Rothman on March 28, 2024, 11:18:32 PMHm. Can't remember the history of bubble shields.
It has to involve some kind of drugs.
Quote from: Quillz on March 28, 2024, 08:30:31 PMThe Interstate shield has barely changed. 1961 brought neutered shields and then 1970 altered the geometry of the wide shield.
Are those the only changes that have happened? I seem to recall that they recently changed the font of the 3DI shield.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on March 31, 2024, 05:06:54 PMQuote from: Quillz on March 28, 2024, 08:30:31 PMThe Interstate shield has barely changed. 1961 brought neutered shields and then 1970 altered the geometry of the wide shield.
Are those the only changes that have happened? I seem to recall that they recently changed the font of the 3DI shield.
Not that I'm aware of. I believe the guidelines have always officially called for Series C, but I've also seen Series B and D. California, for example, has used Series D almost exclusively, by making the legend a little smaller. Then other states will use larger legend and make it Series B.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on March 31, 2024, 05:06:54 PMQuote from: Quillz on March 28, 2024, 08:30:31 PMThe Interstate shield has barely changed. 1961 brought neutered shields and then 1970 altered the geometry of the wide shield.
Are those the only changes that have happened? I seem to recall that they recently changed the font of the 3DI shield.
I actually found out something interesting about that recently. The 2004 SHS (that came out with the 2003 MUTCD) showed the text in the crown of the 3di shield as being in Series E. (Which actually kind of looks cool, honestly.) However, after it was published, it got errata'd out by a subsequent document, as an error. So if you just happened to reach for the SHS and never saw that errata document (say, because you started designing signs in the 2010s), you'd never know it was supposed to be Series C.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2024, 12:51:19 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on March 31, 2024, 05:06:54 PMQuote from: Quillz on March 28, 2024, 08:30:31 PMThe Interstate shield has barely changed. 1961 brought neutered shields and then 1970 altered the geometry of the wide shield.
Are those the only changes that have happened? I seem to recall that they recently changed the font of the 3DI shield.
I actually found out something interesting about that recently. The 2004 SHS (that came out with the 2003 MUTCD) showed the text in the crown of the 3di shield as being in Series E. (Which actually kind of looks cool, honestly.) However, after it was published, it got errata'd out by a subsequent document, as an error. So if you just happened to reach for the SHS and never saw that errata document (say, because you started designing signs in the 2010s), you'd never know it was supposed to be Series C.
And then there's this one. (https://goo.gl/maps/oqfrPLHEq6zeyA5h7)
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 31, 2024, 07:41:53 AMQuote from: Rothman on March 28, 2024, 11:18:32 PMHm. Can't remember the history of bubble shields.
It has to involve some kind of drugs.
Actually, the bubble shield is what you get when you widen out the existing 2di marker. Conversely, if you narrow a standard 3di marker, you get "pointy" markers such as some of those used on overheads in the Oklahoma City area.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 01, 2024, 03:21:02 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on March 31, 2024, 07:41:53 AMQuote from: Rothman on March 28, 2024, 11:18:32 PMHm. Can't remember the history of bubble shields.
It has to involve some kind of drugs.
Actually, the bubble shield is what you get when you widen out the existing 2di marker. Conversely, if you narrow a standard 3di marker, you get "pointy" markers such as some of those used on overheads in the Oklahoma City area.
I know. I stand by my point about drugs.
Would you consider the black background Interstate shield to be an "evolution"? These are pretty much used exclusively across Wisconsin now. (Credit to billburmaster.com for the image)
(https://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/wisconsin/images/n43450715.jpg)
^^ That is more Wisconsin's extensive use of unisigns.
Quote from: Big John on April 02, 2024, 09:13:48 AM^^ That is more Wisconsin's extensive use of unisigns.
I. think that that is just so that there is less opportunity for crews to mess up the signs in the field.
:-|
Mike
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2024, 09:07:53 AMWould you consider the black background Interstate shield to be an "evolution"? These are pretty much used exclusively across Wisconsin now. (Credit to billburmaster.com for the image)
(https://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/wisconsin/images/n43450715.jpg)
I'd consider it a de-evolution, and it also seems to be mainly a Wisconsin thing.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2024, 09:07:53 AMWould you consider the black background Interstate shield to be an "evolution"? These are pretty much used exclusively across Wisconsin now. (Credit to billburmaster.com for the image)
(https://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/wisconsin/images/n43450715.jpg)
Not an evolution of anything; this is just an example of the cheeseheads being cheap. Using large low-quality wooden panels covered with a laminate saves a lot of money. Now, one could applaud this ingenuity. Or bemoan it's homeliness. I've always been a fan of cutout shields, so for me the black background with multiple shields is monotonous.
Oh, and the original style interstate shield rocks. It always looked sharp and still does, where it is used. The neutered variety is a significant downgrade.