Interstate 81 in Syracuse

[machias]

I'm not sure who's messing around with the exit numbers on the I-81 in New York Wikipedia page, but it sure is a mess at the moment.  I doubt the exit before the 1000 Islands Bridge is going to be exit 65 when all is said and done.

[Great Lakes Roads]

I'm not sure who's messing around with the exit numbers on the I-81 in New York Wikipedia page, but it sure is a mess at the moment.  I doubt the exit before the 1000 Islands Bridge is going to be exit 65 when all is said and done.

Nope, it will be mileage-based when it's all said and done... Also, I-481's exit numbers are messed up too!

[The Ghostbuster]

So far, Google Maps has only renumbered Exit 9 on Interstate 81 as Exit 38. All the other exits on the rest of 81, Interstate/NY 481, and Interstate/NY 690 still have the old sequential exit numbers. I just checked the Interstate 81 and Interstate 481 pages on Wikipedia, and I agree they really screwed up the new exit numbers. Hopefully it will be corrected in time.

[Rothman]

So far, Google Maps has only renumbered Exit 9 on Interstate 81 as Exit 38. All the other exits on the rest of 81, Interstate/NY 481, and Interstate/NY 690 still have the old sequential exit numbers. I just checked the Interstate 81 and Interstate 481 pages on Wikipedia, and I agree they really screwed up the new exit numbers. Hopefully it will be corrected in time.

Wrong.  Two more exits have been switched over in Cortland County, silly man.

[The Ghostbuster]

The Interstate 81 and Interstate 481 pages on Wikipedia have been fixed to show the correct future exit numbers (including the new mileage-based numbers on future Business 81). However, the Interstate/NY 690 pages still show mileage-based numbers on Interstate 690 beginning at the Interstate 90/New York State Thruway, and no exit numbers on NY 690.

[Plutonic Panda]

An article about this awful project: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/highway-that-divided-city-in-new-york-set-to-be-demolished/ar-AA1p91Dj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=47f743c8b80743de9b4cfbb6fb6c1c60&ei=19#comments

[Henry]

The Interstate 81 and Interstate 481 pages on Wikipedia have been fixed to show the correct future exit numbers (including the new mileage-based numbers on future Business 81). However, the Interstate/NY 690 pages still show mileage-based numbers on Interstate 690 beginning at the Interstate 90/New York State Thruway, and no exit numbers on NY 690.

I fully expect the I-81 exit list to be adjusted to include the former I-481 exits, plus a new page for BL 81 with an exit/junction list to include the former I-81 exits.

As it stands, I-87 and I-88 are the only two non-toll interstates that still use sequential numbering. It's going to be interesting to see how they deal with the former, especially on the Major Deegan Expressway and Northway sections.

[Rothman]

An article about this awful project: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/highway-that-divided-city-in-new-york-set-to-be-demolished/ar-AA1p91Dj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=47f743c8b80743de9b4cfbb6fb6c1c60&ei=19#comments

Article says the project is not awful.

[74/171FAN]

In more interesting news in regard to this (credit Gribblenation)

NYSDOT to showcase replica of future Business Loop 81 at upcoming NYS Fair

[Rothman]

In more interesting news in regard to this (credit Gribblenation)

NYSDOT to showcase replica of future Business Loop 81 at upcoming NYS Fair

The green shields in the photo should be rearranged by now to be more accurate.

[Mr. Matté]

An article about this awful project: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/highway-that-divided-city-in-new-york-set-to-be-demolished/ar-AA1p91Dj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=47f743c8b80743de9b4cfbb6fb6c1c60&ei=19#comments

Article says the project is not awful.

[The Ghostbuster]

Are they going to lower the speed limit on the segment south of the future Martin Luther King E. roundabout, say to 45 MPH? It may help the transition to the surface boulevard segment. Then again, nobody obeys speed limits anyway.

[roadman65]

All they're going to do it cause more problems as those driving I-81 for years through there for decades are not going to want to slow down for the new boulevard and speed through there to make up for lost time. Subconsciously of course, not some planned protest, but like always speed limits are never obeyed and people go fast naturally.

[Rothman]

One cannot just speed down the boulevard.  It's not like BL-81 follows a direct route between the southern and northern freeway segments.  The new interchange configurations are providing better access to areas downtown and the Hill, but not for through traffic.

Keep in mind that there will only be one lane exiting I-81 NB to BL-81 NB as well.

I am sure some silly people will plow through the grid, but smart people will just take I-81 to I-690 to not get caught in all the lights.  Or, just go up I-81 to the North Country.

And, regarding traffic lights' timing in the City of Syracuse, IYKYK.

[froggie]

And, regarding traffic lights' timing in the City of Syracuse State of New York, IYKYK.

FTFY

[vdeane]

As it stands, I-87 and I-88 are the only two non-toll interstates that still use sequential numbering. It's going to be interesting to see how they deal with the former, especially on the Major Deegan Expressway and Northway sections.

Huh?  At first I thought you meant only two 2dis to still use sequential numbering exclusively, but I would say that I-89 still counts for that, and I'm not sure that there's a need to specify non-toll for that metric.

[roadman65]

I-86 is still sequentially numbered.

[Henry]

As it stands, I-87 and I-88 are the only two non-toll interstates that still use sequential numbering. It's going to be interesting to see how they deal with the former, especially on the Major Deegan Expressway and Northway sections.

Huh?  At first I thought you meant only two 2dis to still use sequential numbering exclusively, but I would say that I-89 still counts for that, and I'm not sure that there's a need to specify non-toll for that metric.

I meant in NY only. And I'm very well aware that there are those in other states that still use sequential numbering as well (I-89, I-91, I-93 in NH and VT).

I-86 is still sequentially numbered.

So then we'd have four in NY alone, along with I-90, even east of Albany.

[vdeane]

As it stands, I-87 and I-88 are the only two non-toll interstates that still use sequential numbering. It's going to be interesting to see how they deal with the former, especially on the Major Deegan Expressway and Northway sections.

Huh?  At first I thought you meant only two 2dis to still use sequential numbering exclusively, but I would say that I-89 still counts for that, and I'm not sure that there's a need to specify non-toll for that metric.

I meant in NY only. And I'm very well aware that there are those in other states that still use sequential numbering as well (I-89, I-91, I-93 in NH and VT).

I-86 is still sequentially numbered.

So then we'd have four in NY alone, along with I-90, even east of Albany.

NY has a lot of interstates with sequential exit numbers.  Let's go through the list:
I-78: Sequential
I-278: Sequential
I-478: None
I-678: Sequential
I-878/NY 878: Sequential, but close enough to call mile-based
I-81: In process of conversion in Region 3, still sequential in Regions 7 and 9
I-481/NY 481: In process of conversion
I-781: Mile-based
I-84: Mile-based
I-684: Sequential
I-86/NY 17: Sequential
I-87: Sequential x3
I-287: Sequential
I-587: None
I-787: Sequential, but in the range that not all DOTs would bother to convert *cough* MassDOT *cough*
I-88: Sequential
I-90: Sequential x3
I-190: Sequential, but in the range that not all DOTs would bother to convert *cough* MassDOT *cough*
I-290: Sequential, but in the range that not all DOTs would bother to convert *cough* MassDOT *cough*
I-390/NY 390: Sequential
I-490: Sequential
I-590/NY 590: Sequential, but in the range that not all DOTs would bother to convert *cough* MassDOT *cough*
I-690/NY 690: In the process of converting
I-790: None
I-890/NY 890: Mile-based
I-990: Sequential, but in the range that not all DOTs would bother to convert *cough* MassDOT *cough*
I-95: Mix, but in the range that not all DOTs would bother to convert *cough* MassDOT *cough* (with the exception of Port Authority numbers that are arguably incorrect)
I-295: Sequential
I-495: Sequential
I-695: None
I-99: Mile-based

I-86 is still sequentially numbered.

The PA portion is actually mile-based, though with NY starting at 4, it's hard to tell.

[webny99]

I have very slowly come to accept that the fallout from this project won't begin until the day it's complete, and only then will we be able to properly assess all of the concerns raised in this thread. I'm obviously not looking forward to the teardown or the loss of connectivity, but it feels like the range of possible outcomes for traffic in the Syracuse region is so wide that I am weirdly looking forward to exploring the impact once it's complete.

[vdeane]

The exits on I-81 have all been changed from Cicero to Sandy Creek.  Heading north, there's a sign that says "Tug Hill Region - Exits 106-147".  Say what?  The numbers haven't changed yet in Jefferson County, so there is no exit 147.  I guess we now know what exit 42 will become.

[Rothman]

Google Maps showing the new exits before they're actually changed over is giving local 911 responders headaches.

[vdeane]

Google Maps showing the new exits before they're actually changed over is giving local 911 responders headaches.

I didn't do an exhaustive look, but as far as I can tell, that's just the I-81/I-481 interchanges right now.  Everything on the northern end has switched; I haven't traveled I-81 south of Syracuse, but from the reports I've seen, I'm assuming those all changed as well.  What is a little interesting with the northern ones is that the mile markers haven't changed yet, so the numbers and the miles are a bit off.

Now if only Regions 7 and 9 would switch their bits.

[Jim]

Is NYSDOT so dysfunctional of an organization that the exit number switch can't be coordinated across regions?

[Rothman]

Is NYSDOT so dysfunctional of an organization that the exit number switch can't be coordinated across regions?

Not sure how it hasn't been?  I believe it is a multiregional contract.

The switchover can't happen instantaneously, but have to say I'm not sure how the contractor is choosing where to switch over first or in what order.