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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4300 on: May 21, 2023, 12:00:44 AM »

Man, I must be the only weirdo that doesnt like backplates anywhere. To me, the signs look so much cleaner and better with no backplates, even on county route shields.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4301 on: May 21, 2023, 12:26:21 AM »

Back before GSV was a thing, Delaware would occasionally post shields with backplates, and occasionally post shields without, to a point where I thought there was some sort of meaning behind them.  There were numerous instances, but one I remember in the 1990's was on US 40 near DE 1 & 7, where one had it and one didn't.  At the time DE 1 was a new freeway there.  I can't recall which one had the backplate, but I also recall it didn't really match up with other shields in the general vicinity.

In reality, I think it was just Delaware being Delaware at the time, and they just put one route shield up with a backplate, and one without.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4302 on: May 21, 2023, 04:22:07 PM »

Man, I must be the only weirdo that doesnt like backplates anywhere. To me, the signs look so much cleaner and better with no backplates, even on county route shields.
You're not the only one - I feel the same way!

I don't think I've had any trouble reading any of the county route shields on guide signs in NY, even though we don't use the backplates here.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4303 on: May 21, 2023, 04:25:42 PM »

Although the backplates were somewhat unique in NJ, I think the new signs without them look better.  I know this may be a minority view but I think even the county pentagons look better without the yellow backplate.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4304 on: May 21, 2023, 05:23:24 PM »

The Garden State Parkway used them at some locations and not at others like DelDOT. 

The Parkway always had different signs than NJDOT did and realized it a long time ago when the exit tabs used to only feature a number only where as other roads were standard.  However, the former NJHA did use non back plates long before the MUTCD amended its signing practice.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4305 on: May 22, 2023, 11:32:02 PM »

Well the MUTCD wants positive and negative contrast, and the backplate becomes dark on dark, which isn't a contrast, so out it shall go.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4306 on: May 23, 2023, 02:45:37 AM »

Well the MUTCD wants positive and negative contrast, and the backplate becomes dark on dark

Except its not dark on dark for CR's
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4307 on: May 23, 2023, 09:24:27 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/VM92VoRtgubNLbos9
Interesting shield. Virginia once used these.

And the font on the route number is akin to Clearview.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4308 on: May 23, 2023, 11:34:34 PM »

Morristown needs to have its main square shields updated as many have been removed over the course of time. On the SE corner there used to be a US 202 shield telling motorists to turn left from the beginning of present day NJ 124. It fell off but the arrow remains.

On the NE corner where CR 510 EB leaves the square the NB US 202 shield is on the far corner out of sight almost and could use another on the near corner. Plus no mention of CR 510 EB heading east on Morris Street and the guide for Whipppany and Florham Park is been long gone at that location as well.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4309 on: May 24, 2023, 09:36:49 PM »

I get why they were canned, but I loved the backplates and hate the white on green. It looks so empty. Of course, I grew up in Jersey so I am biased. Even black outlines would be an improvement.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4310 on: May 25, 2023, 05:04:00 PM »

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4311 on: May 25, 2023, 05:17:51 PM »

Have people always referred to New Jersey as just Jersey? I always thought that was kind of odd.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4312 on: May 25, 2023, 06:05:36 PM »

Have people always referred to New Jersey as just Jersey? I always thought that was kind of odd.

Define "always". For a long time, for sure.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4313 on: May 25, 2023, 06:58:31 PM »

Have people always referred to New Jersey as just Jersey? I always thought that was kind of odd.

I occasionally do.  It's kinda an abbreviation that doesn't work with York, Hampshire or Mexico.   To expand that...

"When I'm leaving Jersey and entering PA, I'll take the North-South Freeway from 295 for a few miles then head over the Walt Whitman, jumping on the Schuylkill then take the Turnpike west".

famartin will know exactly what I'm talking about.  Someone else may not know what I'm talking about, then once you look at a map, you'll go, WTF man, you literally were only on one route the entire time. (I-76)  :-D
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4314 on: May 25, 2023, 07:06:47 PM »

Have people always referred to New Jersey as just Jersey? I always thought that was kind of odd.

I occasionally do.  It's kinda an abbreviation that doesn't work with York, Hampshire or Mexico.   To expand that...

"When I'm leaving Jersey and entering PA, I'll take the North-South Freeway from 295 for a few miles then head over the Walt Whitman, jumping on the Schuylkill then take the Turnpike west".

famartin will know exactly what I'm talking about.  Someone else may not know what I'm talking about, then once you look at a map, you'll go, WTF man, you literally were only on one route the entire time. (I-76)  :-D
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4315 on: May 25, 2023, 07:12:39 PM »

To elaborate a little on my reply, hereís a verbatim line of dialogue from Star Trek in 1988, spoken by a women who had been cryogenically frozen, upon being asked where her children were born such that she might try to find living relatives:

ďThey were born in Ďcaucus, thatís in Jersey.Ē
(ĎCaucus is shorthand for Secaucus, tho not sure if Iíve ever heard anyone use that particular turn-of-phrase)
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4316 on: May 25, 2023, 08:49:44 PM »

I'm surprised no New Jerseyan has responded to this with a stereotypical Jersey response.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4317 on: May 29, 2023, 01:13:37 PM »

Well the MUTCD wants positive and negative contrast, and the backplate becomes dark on dark

Except its not dark on dark for CR's
Right, CRs can have square backgrounds but we are trying to steer away from that through standardization

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4318 on: Today at 12:03:55 PM »

Iíve been tracking the US 46/ NJ 3/ Valley Road interchange construction virtually and seen GSV hasnít captured it since 2021.

The map part shows the initial alignment of the new configuration but lacks and EB US 46 ramp to Valley Road or a WB entrance to US 46 from Valley Road. Either those ramps havenít been rebuilt or both Clove Road and Great Notch Road will be the permanent connection to and from the west?
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4319 on: Today at 12:57:32 PM »

Iíve been tracking the US 46/ NJ 3/ Valley Road interchange construction virtually and seen GSV hasnít captured it since 2021.

The map part shows the initial alignment of the new configuration but lacks and EB US 46 ramp to Valley Road or a WB entrance to US 46 from Valley Road. Either those ramps havenít been rebuilt or both Clove Road and Great Notch Road will be the permanent connection to and from the west?

I think this is the accepted design
https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt46/pdf/Proposed_Improvement_Plan.pdf
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