New Jersey

[storm2k]

I think it's interesting how all the signage is there.  It's like NJDOT is hedging their bets as to whether US 206 will be moved or not and wants the signage to work either way.

I think they technically treat the Bypass like a separate state highway for now, so that's why it's done that way. The plan has always been to reroute it onto the bypass and return the original road to local control, but who knows how long that will take.

[famartin]

Why is I-80 wb 55 mph in Fairfield, but 65 mph eb?

It isn't???  The 55/65 transition is at the Essex/Passaic County line in both directions

There are no 65 mph signs until the Parsippany line going WB.  Not even a hint of it with a "65 mph zone fines doubled speeding and other violations" sign. In fact, there aren't any speed limit signs along this section going westbound. That seems more than a slight error.

Looks like the WB sign disappeared in 2016.

https://goo.gl/maps/xiPQSfBfLRnqvPq17

Miraculously, the sign has reappeared (replacement looks smaller than the original, tho). Makes you wonder if someone here bugged NJDOT about it. Or if they are reading this forum. Either way, nice that it's back.

[roadman65]

Considering no ramps merge onto the freeway from Route 23 to US 46, they don't need speed limit signs except at the bump up point where I-80 crosses the Passaic River entering Fairfield. 

[Mr. Matté]

Why is I-80 wb 55 mph in Fairfield, but 65 mph eb?

It isn't???  The 55/65 transition is at the Essex/Passaic County line in both directions

There are no 65 mph signs until the Parsippany line going WB.  Not even a hint of it with a "65 mph zone fines doubled speeding and other violations" sign. In fact, there aren't any speed limit signs along this section going westbound. That seems more than a slight error.

Looks like the WB sign disappeared in 2016.

https://goo.gl/maps/xiPQSfBfLRnqvPq17

Miraculously, the sign has reappeared (replacement looks smaller than the original, tho). Makes you wonder if someone here bugged NJDOT about it.

Yes.

[jeffandnicole]

Why is I-80 wb 55 mph in Fairfield, but 65 mph eb?

It isn't???  The 55/65 transition is at the Essex/Passaic County line in both directions

There are no 65 mph signs until the Parsippany line going WB.  Not even a hint of it with a "65 mph zone fines doubled speeding and other violations" sign. In fact, there aren't any speed limit signs along this section going westbound. That seems more than a slight error.

Looks like the WB sign disappeared in 2016.

https://goo.gl/maps/xiPQSfBfLRnqvPq17

Miraculously, the sign has reappeared (replacement looks smaller than the original, tho). Makes you wonder if someone here bugged NJDOT about it.

Yes.

Thank you. Filling out that form out takes less time than bitching about an issue, but too many people are adverse to actually trying to solve a problem.

Sometimes, things are overlooked.  I filled that out once because a certain speed limit sign was missing for quite a while. Within a few days, it was put back up. The sign had probably just been laying there and they needed that little nudge to put it back on someone's radar.

The form doesn't always seemingly work, especially if the problem is bigger than a quick fix. But about half the time it results in an issue getting resolved.

[Alps]

Why is I-80 wb 55 mph in Fairfield, but 65 mph eb?

It isn't???  The 55/65 transition is at the Essex/Passaic County line in both directions

There are no 65 mph signs until the Parsippany line going WB.  Not even a hint of it with a "65 mph zone fines doubled speeding and other violations" sign. In fact, there aren't any speed limit signs along this section going westbound. That seems more than a slight error.

Looks like the WB sign disappeared in 2016.

https://goo.gl/maps/xiPQSfBfLRnqvPq17

Miraculously, the sign has reappeared (replacement looks smaller than the original, tho). Makes you wonder if someone here bugged NJDOT about it.

Yes.

Thank you. Filling out that form out takes less time than bitching about an issue, but too many people are adverse to actually trying to solve a problem.

Sometimes, things are overlooked.  I filled that out once because a certain speed limit sign was missing for quite a while. Within a few days, it was put back up. The sign had probably just been laying there and they needed that little nudge to put it back on someone's radar.

The form doesn't always seemingly work, especially if the problem is bigger than a quick fix. But about half the time it results in an issue getting resolved.

I used it once to report a signal problem, for them to reply that it was a County signal (287 at 511), for me to reply that it was a state signal because it was state ramps and I know what I'm talking about. Took them 3 weeks.

[J Route Z]

They are actually pretty bad when it comes to repairing things. It took them nearly 4 months just to replace a missing milepost sign, in which they put up the wrong cardinal direction 

[tolbs17]

They are actually pretty bad when it comes to repairing things. It took them nearly 4 months just to replace a missing milepost sign, in which they put up the wrong cardinal direction 

They did that on US-264 as well the marker is the wrong way and what i mean is the red facing the way the way going forward.

[famartin]

Why is I-80 wb 55 mph in Fairfield, but 65 mph eb?

It isn't???  The 55/65 transition is at the Essex/Passaic County line in both directions

There are no 65 mph signs until the Parsippany line going WB.  Not even a hint of it with a "65 mph zone fines doubled speeding and other violations" sign. In fact, there aren't any speed limit signs along this section going westbound. That seems more than a slight error.

Looks like the WB sign disappeared in 2016.

https://goo.gl/maps/xiPQSfBfLRnqvPq17

Miraculously, the sign has reappeared (replacement looks smaller than the original, tho). Makes you wonder if someone here bugged NJDOT about it.

Yes.

[famartin]

Considering no ramps merge onto the freeway from Route 23 to US 46, they don't need speed limit signs except at the bump up point where I-80 crosses the Passaic River entering Fairfield.

The thing that made this more confusing was that is a 55 mph signs here, right after the ramp from 23 merges in.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8957162,-74.2577853,3a,75y,245.11h,82.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shYcDMtPgzL0ZmnLxl5aLYA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Then there is a double posted 65 mph sign here, at the Parsippany line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8624906,-74.3500316,3a,75y,268.3h,82.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skSqkGaaxOdwDYZRZrniQUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

These made it seem like the whole stretch was 55 until Parsippany.

[bzakharin]

Why is I-80 wb 55 mph in Fairfield, but 65 mph eb?

It isn't???  The 55/65 transition is at the Essex/Passaic County line in both directions

There are no 65 mph signs until the Parsippany line going WB.  Not even a hint of it with a "65 mph zone fines doubled speeding and other violations" sign. In fact, there aren't any speed limit signs along this section going westbound. That seems more than a slight error.

Looks like the WB sign disappeared in 2016.

https://goo.gl/maps/xiPQSfBfLRnqvPq17

Miraculously, the sign has reappeared (replacement looks smaller than the original, tho). Makes you wonder if someone here bugged NJDOT about it. Or if they are reading this forum. Either way, nice that it's back.

Speaking of Passaic River, how does NJDOT decide which rivers and creeks to sign? It seems like of all the Raritan River crossings in NJ, for example, only one is signed, and even that has only appeared a few years ago.

[storm2k]

Why is I-80 wb 55 mph in Fairfield, but 65 mph eb?

It isn't???  The 55/65 transition is at the Essex/Passaic County line in both directions

There are no 65 mph signs until the Parsippany line going WB.  Not even a hint of it with a "65 mph zone fines doubled speeding and other violations" sign. In fact, there aren't any speed limit signs along this section going westbound. That seems more than a slight error.

Looks like the WB sign disappeared in 2016.

https://goo.gl/maps/xiPQSfBfLRnqvPq17

Miraculously, the sign has reappeared (replacement looks smaller than the original, tho). Makes you wonder if someone here bugged NJDOT about it. Or if they are reading this forum. Either way, nice that it's back.

Speaking of Passaic River, how does NJDOT decide which rivers and creeks to sign? It seems like of all the Raritan River crossings in NJ, for example, only one is signed, and even that has only appeared a few years ago.

That's actually a very interesting question. There is no corresponding sign northbound on 287 crossing the Raritan. Nor is the second crossing of the river signed between 12 and 13. NJDOT did sign the North Branch of the river over Rt 202 on the Bridgewater-Branchburg border, but it's wrong, because it's the branch at that point, not the regular river. Of all the state highways that cross the Raritan, those seem to be the only places that were signed.

[roadman65]

New Jersey, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't that into marking river crossings.  If there were they were old white faced with black raised letters left over from the WWII era signage just as some of the old county line signs are still around if you look.

NJ cares mostly with differentiation of municipalities over everything and only until a few decades ago also started signing overpasses to just add to that practice.

[ixnay]

New Jersey, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't that into marking river crossings.  If there were they were old white faced with black raised letters left over from the WWII era signage just as some of the old county line signs are still around if you look.

NJ cares mostly with differentiation of municipalities over everything and only until a few decades ago also started signing overpasses to just add to that practice.

Other than those, the only "official" state agency county line signs I've seen have been along the GSP, and they may date from before the NJTPK authority absorbed the GSP authority.

OTOH there's this sign welcoming eastbounders on US 40 to Gloucester County...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5864011,-75.0853169,3a,18.1y,140.7h,87.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siQI4u4qDThz_dD6-gHjxhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

ixnay

[jeffandnicole]

New Jersey, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't that into marking river crossings.  If there were they were old white faced with black raised letters left over from the WWII era signage just as some of the old county line signs are still around if you look.

NJ cares mostly with differentiation of municipalities over everything and only until a few decades ago also started signing overpasses to just add to that practice.

Other than those, the only "official" state agency county line signs I've seen have been along the GSP, and they may date from before the NJTPK authority absorbed the GSP authority.

OTOH there's this sign welcoming eastbounders on US 40 to Gloucester County...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5864011,-75.0853169,3a,18.1y,140.7h,87.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siQI4u4qDThz_dD6-gHjxhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

ixnay

Gloucester County put a bunch of them up on many of the roadways entering the county.  I think other counties did some sporadic, similar signage.  On the AC Expressway I believe there's signs noting when you enter/leave Camden/Gloucester Counties.  Looking at a map, the roadway straddles the county line closely so you may actually enter and leave the 2 counties several times, but they are only signed once.

[storm2k]

New Jersey, to the best of my knowledge, wasn’t that into marking river crossings.  If there were they were old white faced with black raised letters left over from the WWII era signage just as some of the old county line signs are still around if you look.

NJ cares mostly with differentiation of municipalities over everything and only until a few decades ago also started signing overpasses to just add to that practice.

Other than those, the only "official" state agency county line signs I've seen have been along the GSP, and they may date from before the NJTPK authority absorbed the GSP authority.

OTOH there's this sign welcoming eastbounders on US 40 to Gloucester County...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5864011,-75.0853169,3a,18.1y,140.7h,87.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siQI4u4qDThz_dD6-gHjxhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

ixnay

Gloucester County put a bunch of them up on many of the roadways entering the county.  I think other counties did some sporadic, similar signage.  On the AC Expressway I believe there's signs noting when you enter/leave Camden/Gloucester Counties.  Looking at a map, the roadway straddles the county line closely so you may actually enter and leave the 2 counties several times, but they are only signed once.

The yellow on blue pentagons were definitely a NJHA thing from before they were absorbed into the Turnpike Authority. I'm not sure if the Turnpike Authority plans to replace them once they fade out or fall down. I'm gonna guess no.

Hunterdon County has these along many of its county maintained roads at county lines. Made to look like a historic marker sign. Somerset has them on some roads, but they're more sporadic than Hunterdon is.

Somerset and Hunterdon, though, were dual pioneers in an early version of EMMs. Most of their county roads are mileposted with the more traditional mile post, but with a small county route shield above it so you know what county road you're on (Here's an example). Been doing that since the late 90s/early 2000s I believe.

[NJRoadfan]

NJTA put up new county line signs on the Great Egg Harbor Bay Bridge, so they seem to be keeping that tradition alive for now.

[bzakharin]

New Jersey, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't that into marking river crossings.  If there were they were old white faced with black raised letters left over from the WWII era signage just as some of the old county line signs are still around if you look.

NJ cares mostly with differentiation of municipalities over everything and only until a few decades ago also started signing overpasses to just add to that practice.

Other than those, the only "official" state agency county line signs I've seen have been along the GSP, and they may date from before the NJTPK authority absorbed the GSP authority.

OTOH there's this sign welcoming eastbounders on US 40 to Gloucester County...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5864011,-75.0853169,3a,18.1y,140.7h,87.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siQI4u4qDThz_dD6-gHjxhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

ixnay

Gloucester County put a bunch of them up on many of the roadways entering the county.  I think other counties did some sporadic, similar signage.  On the AC Expressway I believe there's signs noting when you enter/leave Camden/Gloucester Counties.  Looking at a map, the roadway straddles the county line closely so you may actually enter and leave the 2 counties several times, but they are only signed once.

The Atlantic City Expressway has welcome signs at the Atlantic/Camden County boundary in both directions (I want to say, but on GSV I can only find the Atlantic County one). Gloucester County has welcome signs in both directions despite the ACE barely entering it, and Camden County doesn't bother to tell you that you're back afterward.

[NJRoadfan]

Looking on Streetview, did the ACE put up more billboards up for advertising on their right-of-way? How.... awful and tacky.

https://goo.gl/maps/ENgvjtUvJUEyEFxW7

Really? I can see near Atlantic City, but these low installs are kinda out of place.

[Alps]

NJTA put up new county line signs on the Great Egg Harbor Bay Bridge, so they seem to be keeping that tradition alive for now.

The Middlesex ones are NOT 30 years old.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/JupHFCBMJL2bW4WaA

Was noticing that when I lived in NJ that many shopping centers along arterial roads with jug handles use left side of the road driving at the intersection to allow for protected left turns and uninterrupted through (cross) movements.

In a way this could be NJs version of a DDI but without the interchange.

[jeffandnicole]

https://goo.gl/maps/JupHFCBMJL2bW4WaA

Was noticing that when I lived in NJ that many shopping centers along arterial roads with jug handles use left side of the road driving at the intersection to allow for protected left turns and uninterrupted through (cross) movements.

In a way this could be NJs version of a DDI but without the interchange.

Many?

This one here is a rare example, and there's a NJ Transit maintenance yard entrance/exit that also has its own phase at this traffic light. A bigger issue with this particular intersection is traffic leaving the shopping center here can't legally make a right, but motorists often do, causing unnecessary mayhem with the opposing traffic.

This is fitting a square peg in a round hole, but not really one of NJDOT's finer moments.

[roadman65]

Blue Star on Route 22 in Watchung.
Livingston Mall on Eisenhower Parkway in Livingston.
Brunswick Square Mall on Route 18 in East Brunswick.

A small plaza on Route 23 in Verona.

These are only a few, but many more  county roads do (or did) have them in the 20th Century.

[Alps]

https://goo.gl/maps/JupHFCBMJL2bW4WaA

Was noticing that when I lived in NJ that many shopping centers along arterial roads with jug handles use left side of the road driving at the intersection to allow for protected left turns and uninterrupted through (cross) movements.

In a way this could be NJs version of a DDI but without the interchange.

Many?

This one here is a rare example, and there's a NJ Transit maintenance yard entrance/exit that also has its own phase at this traffic light. A bigger issue with this particular intersection is traffic leaving the shopping center here can't legally make a right, but motorists often do, causing unnecessary mayhem with the opposing traffic.

This is fitting a square peg in a round hole, but not really one of NJDOT's finer moments.

I've seen a few of these, but definitely the exception. I think Eisenhower Parkway at Livingston Mall has another.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/2Xy2szP7GFg4CjtK8

Scotch Plains has one at the Glenside Avenue jug handle on US 22. In fact the u turn only jug handles is what catered to this concept in the first place. The way they were off set to allow free flowing lefts from inside the jug handles gave the idea for shopping centers to follow suit.