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Re: 2021 Summer Olympics
« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2021, 10:27:24 AM »

I'm now searching the great nation of Russian Olympic Committee in a map :sombrero:. They have a nice anthem too, at least it's not the same as the Olympic Hymn.

Speaking of maps, Russia is currently throwing a temper tantrum. Apparently, the initial map showed Crimea as part of Russia. Ukraine rightfully got pissed and the IOC changed the map back. Get fucked, Vlad.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-23/russia-fires-back-at-olympics-for-correcting-ukraine-map-to-include-crimea
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2021, 12:50:49 AM »

I'm now searching the great nation of Russian Olympic Committee in a map :sombrero:. They have a nice anthem too, at least it's not the same as the Olympic Hymn.

Speaking of maps, Russia is currently throwing a temper tantrum. Apparently, the initial map showed Crimea as part of Russia. Ukraine rightfully got pissed and the IOC changed the map back. Get fucked, Vlad.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-23/russia-fires-back-at-olympics-for-correcting-ukraine-map-to-include-crimea

You mean get fucked, Vova. "Vlad" is short for Vladislav.

Anyway, Russia isn't allowed in the Olympics, so who gives a damn about their opinion? They're lucky they didn't just draw the whole damn country as part of Finland.
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Re: 2021 Summer Olympics
« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2021, 01:01:42 AM »

I'm now searching the great nation of Russian Olympic Committee in a map :sombrero:. They have a nice anthem too, at least it's not the same as the Olympic Hymn.

Speaking of maps, Russia is currently throwing a temper tantrum. Apparently, the initial map showed Crimea as part of Russia. Ukraine rightfully got pissed and the IOC changed the map back. Get fucked, Vlad.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-23/russia-fires-back-at-olympics-for-correcting-ukraine-map-to-include-crimea
Who cares about maps. Both countries have a claim, just draw it as disputed.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2021, 01:31:39 AM »

Who cares about maps

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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2021, 01:36:56 AM »

Speaking of maps, which I love very much! China is complaining that NBC didn't show Taiwan as a part of China despite "Chinese Taipei" competing as its own group.

Speaking of the territories, why exactly are Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa and the Virgin Islands separate in the Olympics? I know the Olympics just has this weird stuff (such as Great Britain being a team but not the United Kingdom,) but shouldn't the territories be part of the U.S. team. I mean, if you are a U.S. citizen (maybe not with America Samoa) shouldn't you be with the U.S. Olympic Team? I mean, what happens if Puerto Rico ever becomes a state?
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2021, 02:38:27 AM »

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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #106 on: July 25, 2021, 07:19:10 AM »

I'm now searching the great nation of Russian Olympic Committee in a map :sombrero:. They have a nice anthem too, at least it's not the same as the Olympic Hymn.

Speaking of maps, Russia is currently throwing a temper tantrum. Apparently, the initial map showed Crimea as part of Russia. Ukraine rightfully got pissed and the IOC changed the map back. Get fucked, Vlad.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-23/russia-fires-back-at-olympics-for-correcting-ukraine-map-to-include-crimea

You mean get fucked, Vova. "Vlad" is short for Vladislav.

Anyway, Russia isn't allowed in the Olympics, so who gives a damn about their opinion? They're lucky they didn't just draw the whole damn country as part of Finland.

I agree with this, but only if they put a trigger warning first.

Who cares about maps. Both countries have a claim, just draw it as disputed.

Not like both claims are equal. Russia likes to brag about the so-called referendum vote that supposedly shows Crimea wanting to join Russia. It's easy to get someone to vote in your favor when you send in little green men and hold them at gunpoint.

I mean, what happens if Puerto Rico ever becomes a state?

They would lose their team.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2021, 12:38:13 PM »

Could Puerto Rico theoretically keep it's team after becoming a state?
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2021, 12:54:47 PM »

The IOC considers "insular" areas sufficiently independent to participate in the games, and they have the right to determine who is a country and who isn't. But there are others, such as Aruba, Bermuda, and the Cayman Islands who have teams so it's not that surprising.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2021, 01:06:28 PM »

The IOC considers "insular" areas sufficiently independent to participate in the games, and they have the right to determine who is a country and who isn't. But there are others, such as Aruba, Bermuda, and the Cayman Islands who have teams so it's not that surprising.

This is also the case with Hong Kong and Macau, which have had Olympic-level teams since they were British and Portuguese possessions respectively (although Macau has yet to compete in the Olympics).
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2021, 01:26:42 PM »

Could Puerto Rico theoretically keep it's team after becoming a state?
No, since it would a "whole" part of the country.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2021, 05:52:17 PM »

Oh, man, what an exciting thing to see Ahmed Hafnaoui win the gold medal at 400m freestyle swimming!

Most people probably had their eyes on the American swimmers, or whoever else the commentators were talking about ahead of time.  But, because I'm weird, I was watching the Tunisian the whole time.  I didn't know he had barely made it into the finals, finishing 8th in the trials.  All I knew is that he was from Tunisia, and I thought that was kind of cool, so I was watching him.  He was out in front with the leaders pretty much the entire time.  Yet the commentators weren't talking about him at all.  I wondered why, wondered if he was destined to fall behind.  Eventually, they too began to notice he was one of the leaders.  And, sure enough, he kept it up and landed what was only the fifth gold medal ever for his country.

So exciting!
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2021, 06:49:46 PM »

Oh, man, what an exciting thing to see Ahmed Hafnaoui win the gold medal at 400m freestyle swimming!

Most people probably had their eyes on the American swimmers, or whoever else the commentators were talking about ahead of time.  But, because I'm weird, I was watching the Tunisian the whole time.  I didn't know he had barely made it into the finals, finishing 8th in the trials.  All I knew is that he was from Tunisia, and I thought that was kind of cool, so I was watching him.  He was out in front with the leaders pretty much the entire time.  Yet the commentators weren't talking about him at all.  I wondered why, wondered if he was destined to fall behind.  Eventually, they too began to notice he was one of the leaders.  And, sure enough, he kept it up and landed what was only the fifth gold medal ever for his country.

So exciting!

That was incredible. I was really happy for the kid.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #113 on: July 26, 2021, 01:50:20 PM »

Hidilyn Diaz won gold in women's 55kg weightlifting - it's the Philippines' first ever Olympic gold medal.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #114 on: July 26, 2021, 02:04:16 PM »

The USA lost to France!

(channeling my inner Jeremy Lance on that one)
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #115 on: July 26, 2021, 03:54:20 PM »

The USA lost to France!

(channeling my inner Jeremy Lance on that one)

"All-star teams fail because they rely solely on the individual's talent.  The (other teams) win because they take that talent and use it inside a system that's designed for the betterment of the team."

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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #116 on: July 26, 2021, 04:18:20 PM »

The USA lost to France!

(channeling my inner Jeremy Lance on that one)
USA playing below their talent level, turns out that you need to team to win not just good individual players.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #117 on: July 26, 2021, 05:20:31 PM »

NBC has the games, but will likely butcher it as they've done in years past. Best to use a VPN and tune into a proper station like the CBC or BBC.
BBC coverage has been a lot poorer this year due to Discovery winning pan-European rights in 2016 (I went on a big rant about it, but saw they have this evening released this press release explaining their poorer coverage and rewrote this post) and channels like the BBC only managing to get rights for two live streams off Discovery, rather than the up-to-16-sports-at-any-one-time coverage they had at Rio and London.

And the limited, pick-and-mix live streams this time, naturally, take on a very Team GB-focused view as they don't have the footage to take their normal broader look at the wider games while also providing coverage of Team GB.

It's not like the BBC doesn't have the budget for giving a lot of money to Discovery to cover the Olympics properly - it's more that Discovery grudgingly let them have the rights that free-to-air TV is required by UK law to have, and no more. The BBC spent quite a bit of money (not in terms of rights, obviously, but in production) showing live televisual coverage of an under-16s friendly between Man U and Coleraine tonight - I doubt any one would care if they didn't have it, and it's not like there's not been an awful lot of sport on BBC TV this weekend - Formula E, live Cricket (for the first time in decades on the BBC), the Olympics (what they can show)...
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #118 on: July 26, 2021, 06:54:03 PM »

The USA lost to France!

(channeling my inner Jeremy Lance on that one)
Maybe if all of our best players decided to care then we'd win. I thought the loss to Nigeria in the warm-up game would wake them up, but no such luck. In a sport where the best team almost always comes out on top at the end of the season/tournament, it would be a huge failure for the United States to not win gold. The country with by far the best basketball history, by far the best league, and by far the most basketball players should be winning gold every time.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #119 on: July 26, 2021, 06:58:23 PM »

The USA lost to France!

(channeling my inner Jeremy Lance on that one)

"All-star teams fail because they rely solely on the individual's talent.  The (other teams) win because they take that talent and use it inside a system that's designed for the betterment of the team."

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The premise of this statement is logical, but to say that all-star teams fail often is not true, especially in basketball. And "team chemistry" is pretty much a myth. "Good team chemistry" is also known as winning, and "bad team chemistry" is also known as losing. The one notable exception is the Pittsburgh Steelers over the last decade, who have won a lot of games but have always seemed to have poor chemistry. Results influence chemistry, not the other way around.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #120 on: July 26, 2021, 06:58:45 PM »

The USA lost to France!

(channeling my inner Jeremy Lance on that one)

"All-star teams fail because they rely solely on the individual's talent.  The (other teams) win because they take that talent and use it inside a system that's designed for the betterment of the team."

(Kurt Russell channeling Herb Brooks in Miracle)


With the NBA season ending a month later than usual and being compressed into a shorter period of time, this was inevitable. Anybody whose team made it beyond the first round in the playoffs was going to be very unlikely to play. Even those who didn't still had fatigue issues.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2021, 09:35:11 PM »

This whole "team" concept has something to it. I have long believed that the United States' representative basketball team in the Olympics should be that year's NCAA Division 1 championship team, with the same roster as the team that won the title. In fact, I think this may have been the way it was done back in the 1940s. Wasn't one of the gold medal teams basically the Kentucky Wildcats with a few players from the Bartlesville, Okla. Phillips 66ers?
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2021, 09:54:00 PM »

This whole "team" concept has something to it. I have long believed that the United States' representative basketball team in the Olympics should be that year's NCAA Division 1 championship team, with the same roster as the team that won the title. In fact, I think this may have been the way it was done back in the 1940s. Wasn't one of the gold medal teams basically the Kentucky Wildcats with a few players from the Bartlesville, Okla. Phillips 66ers?

You get the right players on the squad and they'll play like a team. College teams would be overmatched.

I do think that USA Basketball needs to look more at guys who specialize at defense, rebounding and 3 point shooting and not just taking the biggest stars.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #123 on: July 27, 2021, 07:36:49 AM »

This whole "team" concept has something to it.
With the English football team doing well for the second tournament in a row, this "team rather than collection of stars" question was raised with members of the so-called 'Golden Generation' (who underperformed vs the hype) a couple of times during Euro 2020. The former players, now pundits, from that era denied that there were issues where club rivalries meant issues in the national team dressing room.

I think there were issues with selection and so on rather than egos clashing and team not being a team - which is probably true with the US mens basketball. Can coaches dare not select big names, even if it means an unbalanced team?

I remember England managers getting a lot of stick for playing Heskey rather than a bigger name forward with more goals, as England weren't scoring enough. But the purpose of playing Heskey was the club partnership with Heskey setting up Owen - Owen played nowhere near as good without Heskey, and Owen was a big name that couldn't be dropped without massive backlash as he scored loads of goals for his club. Play two of the forwards mentioned as replacements for Heskey instead of Heskey and Owen, and maybe England would have scored more. But you'd get a lot of stick.
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Re: 2020 Summer Olympics
« Reply #124 on: July 27, 2021, 11:42:01 AM »

The USA lost to France!

In what event?

Pretend for a second that I don't already know what you're talking about.  Because I don't.

In the game I watched yesterday (as a replay), France lost to the USA.
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