https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2024/bills/house/1308/details
Quote from: Moose on January 23, 2024, 09:12:31 AM
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2024/bills/house/1308/details
Look for yet more Mario Kart between Indy and Columbus on I-70. People will be weaving in and out of the trucks.
What are the chances of it passing?
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 23, 2024, 09:33:08 AM
What are the chances of it passing?
This is important. About 2/3rds of the states have part time legislatures, and almost all of these meet about this time of year (this goes back to farming times, have the legislature in the winter when everything was fallow). All over the internet people get in outrage mode over Senate Bill this or House Bill that, not really understanding that it just takes (in most states) one legislator to introduce anything, and 99% of these bills never see the light of day after introduction.
As to the idea, of course, Indiana should raise its speed limits. Higher speed limits save lives and divert police resources to important things. I'm all for saving lives and fighting serious crime. Although 75 is still way too low. They should just adopt the science based 85%ile system.
If this were to pass Indiana would be only the 3rd state fully east of the Mississippi to make the jump to 75
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 23, 2024, 09:33:08 AM
What are the chances of it passing?
Well it does have "some legs" it won't die in committee without a hearing. It got a hearing today (Which a vast majority of Indiana bills never get). The toll Road Concessionaire, INDOT and a society of road engineers testified against it.
It might not be this year. We are a part time legislature state as mentioned. So what they do is reintroduce the bill each session and the person that wants to pass it keeps hammering on it until it passes.
Once the replay video is posted today I will post the link here for you all to watch.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 23, 2024, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 23, 2024, 09:33:08 AM
What are the chances of it passing?
This is important. About 2/3rds of the states have part time legislatures, and almost all of these meet about this time of year (this goes back to farming times, have the legislature in the winter when everything was fallow). All over the internet people get in outrage mode over Senate Bill this or House Bill that, not really understanding that it just takes (in most states) one legislator to introduce anything, and 99% of these bills never see the light of day after introduction.
True. as I said, most bills die in committee without a hearing. But this one already got the first hearing. So this one "has some legs" as we say around here.
I would rather see the Interstates left at 70, but raise the other multi-lane routes from 60 to at least 65. It'd make more sense.
Quote from: Moose on January 23, 2024, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 23, 2024, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 23, 2024, 09:33:08 AM
What are the chances of it passing?
This is important. About 2/3rds of the states have part time legislatures, and almost all of these meet about this time of year (this goes back to farming times, have the legislature in the winter when everything was fallow). All over the internet people get in outrage mode over Senate Bill this or House Bill that, not really understanding that it just takes (in most states) one legislator to introduce anything, and 99% of these bills never see the light of day after introduction.
True. as I said, most bills die in committee without a hearing. But this one already got the first hearing. So this one "has some legs" as we say around here.
Looks like the committee has stricken the text of the bill and replaced it with a request to send the subject to an interim study committee following this year's session. So, this one appears to have had its legs cut out from under it, at least for this year. https://iga.in.gov/pdf-documents/123/2024/house/bills/HB1308/committee-amendments/drafts/AM130801.pdf
what about putting in high speed tolling on the toll road to go along with it?
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on January 23, 2024, 02:29:04 PM
what about putting in high speed tolling on the toll road to go along with it?
They just spent $$$$ on upgrading the tolling equipment, so you got to wait 10-15 years for the next upgrade!
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on January 23, 2024, 02:29:04 PM
what about putting in high speed tolling on the toll road to go along with it?
The Toll Road is leased, so the legislature can't do anything about it.
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 23, 2024, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: Moose on January 23, 2024, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 23, 2024, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 23, 2024, 09:33:08 AM
What are the chances of it passing?
This is important. About 2/3rds of the states have part time legislatures, and almost all of these meet about this time of year (this goes back to farming times, have the legislature in the winter when everything was fallow). All over the internet people get in outrage mode over Senate Bill this or House Bill that, not really understanding that it just takes (in most states) one legislator to introduce anything, and 99% of these bills never see the light of day after introduction.
True. as I said, most bills die in committee without a hearing. But this one already got the first hearing. So this one "has some legs" as we say around here.
Looks like the committee has stricken the text of the bill and replaced it with a request to send the subject to an interim study committee following this year's session. So, this one appears to have had its legs cut out from under it, at least for this year. https://iga.in.gov/pdf-documents/123/2024/house/bills/HB1308/committee-amendments/drafts/AM130801.pdf
Well that's how it goes, and the bill author admitted as much. It's how things work in this state. First year your plant the seed in all the representatives' minds, get support slowly built up, and a few years after studies and introducing it every year, you round up your collected supporters and ramrod it through.
But it has already gotten farther then most bills get.
I can't directly link to the recording of the session. But if you want to see todays hearing.
https://iga.in.gov/session/2024/video/committee_roads_and_transportation_1700 go here, and pick the Tuesday, Jan 23 - 8:30am meeting.
https://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/indiana-news/indiana-bill-could-increase-speed-limit-on-some-roads/
My least favorite part of this news article:
"Eyewitness News spoke with several local drivers, nearly all of which say they would support an increase. However, private chauffeur Joseph Wilkins disagrees, saying he's not only against the proposal, but believes the speed limit should go down.
"I think the speed limit of 70 is too high; I think 65 shouldn't be just for trucks, it should be for passenger vehicles as well," says Wilkins. Citing the new Interstate 69 extension, he says even reducing your speed proves faster than before the extension was complete. "Let's just say from the new corridor, from Evansville to Indianapolis, they've already shaved about 40 minutes off of it from the old route. If you take the corridor and go 65 instead of 70 on a three-hour trip, it saves you approximately 14 minutes...It's not worth it. If you don't have an extra 14 minutes, then leave 14 minutes earlier."
If this 75 MPH limit goes into effect, will this be the easternmost state to use it? I think currently, it is IA.
Quote from: Henry on January 23, 2024, 11:41:49 PM
If this 75 MPH limit goes into effect, will this be the easternmost state to use it? I think currently, it is IA.
Easternmost? That would be in Maine on I-95 north of Bangor.
Quote from: Henry on January 23, 2024, 11:41:49 PM
If this 75 MPH limit goes into effect, will this be the easternmost state to use it? I think currently, it is IA.
Nah, Maine has 75 MPH zones. Michigan does, too.
I've got a lead foot, so normally I would say, "Great!" But much of I-70 east of Indy sucks and probably so does I-65 to the north. (Haven't driven it in 20 years.) I can see it on I-74, though.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 23, 2024, 11:02:33 PM
However, private chauffeur Joseph Wilkins disagrees, saying he's not only against the proposal, but believes the speed limit should go down.
He must get paid by the hour.
Quote from: Henry on January 23, 2024, 11:41:49 PM
If this 75 MPH limit goes into effect, will this be the easternmost state to use it? I think currently, it is IA.
Maine and Michigan have 75mph limits on certain freeways (but the maximum truck speed limit in Michigan is still 65 mph). There are no other states east of the Mississippi with speed limits exceeding 70 mph.
The stretches of freeway posted for 75 mph in both Michigan and Maine are relatively low-traffic and uncongested. They also largely meet modern Interstate highway standards (I-94, I-96, US-23, and US-131 have numerous substandard sections). It's unlikely that the current Democratic Party majority in Michigan would push to expand the 75 mph freeway segments south of Grand Rapids, Lansing, or Flint.
Depending on where Indiana decides to post 75 mph speed limits, it could be the widest deployment east of the Mississippi. Or, they could relegate it to lower-traffic roads like I-74 west of Indianapolis and I-69 south of Bloomington. The former might cause neighboring states to discuss the matter. If the latter, I wouldn't expect any other state to join in the 75 mph club.
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Quote from: edwaleni on January 23, 2024, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: Moose on January 23, 2024, 09:12:31 AM
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2024/bills/house/1308/details
Look for yet more Mario Kart between Indy and Columbus on I-70. People will be weaving in and out of the trucks.
Toad's Turnpike who?
Worth noting that a bill to increase the speed limit on several stretches of rural 4-lane was introduced around this time last year and never really went anywhere. The difference last year was that the speed limit changes were to effect four specific roads, and this year looks to be a blanket change.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7946.msg2806722#msg2806722
Just in case everyone forgot, |Pink Jazz| once created a catch-all thread for state speed limit increase proposals. Personally, I'd like to see this thread revived and updated periodically as people read new information.
Current state speed limit increase proposals (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14934.525)
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 23, 2024, 11:02:33 PM
https://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/indiana-news/indiana-bill-could-increase-speed-limit-on-some-roads/
My least favorite part of this news article:
"Eyewitness News spoke with several local drivers, nearly all of which say they would support an increase. However, private chauffeur Joseph Wilkins disagrees, saying he's not only against the proposal, but believes the speed limit should go down.
"I think the speed limit of 70 is too high; I think 65 shouldn't be just for trucks, it should be for passenger vehicles as well," says Wilkins. Citing the new Interstate 69 extension, he says even reducing your speed proves faster than before the extension was complete. "Let's just say from the new corridor, from Evansville to Indianapolis, they've already shaved about 40 minutes off of it from the old route. If you take the corridor and go 65 instead of 70 on a three-hour trip, it saves you approximately 14 minutes...It's not worth it. If you don't have an extra 14 minutes, then leave 14 minutes earlier."
Don't let this guy travel out west...
Also, let's say I travel 1,000 miles. At 65 mph, that would take me 15 hours and 23 minutes. At 75 mph, that would take me 13 hours and 9 minutes. Okay, now let's look at 80 mph. 12 hours and 30 minutes.
Big difference.. These increased speed limits, if safely applicable, can make significant differences in travel times on long road trips.
But these news articles only use short trips and small time savings, ignoring the big picture.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 25, 2024, 10:33:52 AM
Don't let this guy travel out west...
Also, let's say I travel 1,000 miles. At 65 mph, that would take me 15 hours and 23 minutes. At 75 mph, that would take me 13 hours and 9 minutes. Okay, now let's look at 80 mph. 12 hours and 30 minutes.
Big difference.. These increased speed limits, if safely applicable, can make significant differences in travel times on long road trips.
But these news articles only use short trips and small time savings, ignoring the big picture.
Heck yeah, a small speed increase matters a lot on a long trip. My personal benchmark for a normal day's drive is 700 miles.
700 miles @ 62 mph = 11 h 17 m
700 miles @ 67 mph = 10 h 27 m
700 miles @ 72 mph = 9 h 43 m
700 miles @ 77 mph = 9 h 5 m
Depending on the speed limit, speeding by just 5 mph over the limit can shave 45 minutes off the trip.
Quote"...If you don't have an extra 14 minutes, then leave 14 minutes earlier."
Whut?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 25, 2024, 11:09:05 AM
Quote"...If you don't have an extra 14 minutes, then leave 14 minutes earlier."
Whut?
Specifically... if you don't have an extra 14 minutes... then you can't leave 14 minutes earlier.
If you could, then, by definition, you have an extra 14 minutes.
The split between cars and truck speeds will cause problems. Up the speed limit, but up the truck speed limit as well. Everyone driving through Illinois or Ohio remembers how bad it was when trucks were 55 and cars were 65. Even when trucks would speed to 60-62, etc, you still had cars bottlenecking to get around them. Especially the ones being honest and going the limit.
Most states are getting away from the differential limits, and Indiana needs to as well if they want to up their speed limit higher.
Michigan has 75 mph cars and 65 mph trucks on some northern rural interstates and freeways, but your point still stands.
Regarding implantation of a 75 mph speed limit in general in Indiana, I could see it reasonable to start with a "pilot" project such as I-69 between I-64 and Bloomington, given it's relatively newer and carries lower volumes.
Then the 75 mph speed limit could be "blanketed" across all the rural interstate highways in Indiana - which it should be. It shouldn't be like Michigan did, but more like how Arkansas did.
While many trucks will indeed drive the higher speed limit, I should point out that other trucks will still cap their speed at something lower. Therefore, the potential speed differential actually goes up regardless—it's just that the occurrence of it would be less frequent without split speed limits.
Personally, I am loving this possible jump to 75. Sometimes slow drivers get on my nerves.
I'm not opposed to an increase at all, but I would much rather see I-465 get raised to at least 65 before anything goes to 75. While it's nice to have the extra 5 mph, people already seem to understand how a 70 mph highway should move compared to the 55 mph I-465. Some people treat it like it's a 55 mph state route and others like a rural interstate. It should be a red flag when the 85th percentile speed is 17.5 mph above the limit.
Quote from: I-55 on January 30, 2024, 10:02:28 AM
I'm not opposed to an increase at all, but I would much rather see I-465 get raised to at least 65 before anything goes to 75. While it's nice to have the extra 5 mph, people already seem to understand how a 70 mph highway should move compared to the 55 mph I-465. Some people treat it like it's a 55 mph state route and others like a rural interstate. It should be a red flag when the 85th percentile speed is 17.5 mph above the limit.
Yeah. I-465 being as cramped as it is, Indianapolis's beltway needs a speed limit increase. It might be risky, once again bringing up that cramped remark, but it is needed.
Quote from: Genghixiani on January 29, 2024, 09:03:43 PM
Personally, I am loving this possible jump to 75. Sometimes slow drivers get on my nerves.
You might be disappointed to find out that slow drivers will still be slow drivers, no matter the speed limit.
Quote from: kphoger on January 30, 2024, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: Genghixiani on January 29, 2024, 09:03:43 PM
Personally, I am loving this possible jump to 75. Sometimes slow drivers get on my nerves.
You might be disappointed to find out that slow drivers will still be slow drivers, no matter the speed limit.
I know that, but possible tickets for slow driving will be up by 5 mph. That will prevent slow drivers when interstates are running with little or no traffic jams
Well, there's nothing that will happen this year. The bill died in committee last week and is still that way.
Given this state is insistent on unrealistic speed limits - see I-465's 55 mph, I-69's 55 mph near Bloomington, 60 mph on rural divided highways....
I'm not one bit surprised.
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 30, 2024, 11:41:44 AM
Well, there's nothing that will happen this year. The bill died in committee last week and is still that way.
"I'm just a bill, stuck on Capitol Hill ..."
(yes, I know that's the US Congress, not the IN Legislature)
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 30, 2024, 11:41:44 AM
Well, there's nothing that will happen this year. The bill died in committee last week and is still that way.
dang it.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 30, 2024, 11:48:17 AM
Given this state is insistent on unrealistic speed limits - see I-465's 55 mph, I-69's 55 mph near Bloomington, 60 mph on rural divided highways....
I'm not one bit surprised.
My last time through Indy was at night and 465 between I-70 and the east side and wherever I was going to pick up I-74 seemed pretty congested to me, so I can see them wanting it to be 55. The way Google routes me sometimes is through the Lafayette Mall area to get to 74. There really needs to be a better way to connect to I-74 westbound coming from the east.
Quote from: Moose on January 23, 2024, 09:12:31 AM
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2024/bills/house/1308/details
They need to increase the speed limit of US-31 to 70mph from Michigan border to Indianapolis once they're done with removing all the traffic lights and adding interchanges.
Quote from: michiganguy123 on February 21, 2024, 10:57:46 PM
Quote from: Moose on January 23, 2024, 09:12:31 AM
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2024/bills/house/1308/details
They need to increase the speed limit of US-31 to 70mph from Michigan border to Indianapolis once they're done with removing all the traffic lights and adding interchanges.
Arguably, from a strict engineering standpoint, most of US-31 should be 70 mph. Unfortunately, because speed limits are politicized, they are capped at 60 mph by state law where not a freeway.
My Ford Edge MPG drops quite a bit going over 75 MPH is that normal?
I'd rather have routes like US 31 raised to 70 MPH.
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Quote from: ibthebigd on February 22, 2024, 05:03:18 AM
My Ford Edge MPG drops quite a bit going over 75 MPH is that normal?
Painfully and obviously normal.
Quote from: Genghixiani on January 31, 2024, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 30, 2024, 11:41:44 AM
Well, there's nothing that will happen this year. The bill died in committee last week and is still that way.
dang it.
There's not much of an appetite for raising the speed limit to 75 mph in Indiana. ISP and INDOT are both staunchly opposed, and that carries a lot of weight with lawmakers.
Quote from: Rothman on February 22, 2024, 06:58:41 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on February 22, 2024, 05:03:18 AM
My Ford Edge MPG drops quite a bit going over 75 MPH is that normal?
Painfully and obviously normal.
My wife's 2013 Edge can get around 30 MPG if we keep it at 60 or below. If you get up to 70 it is making a quick journey towards the lower 20s, and might even hit 20 MPG on hilly roads.
700 miles @ 62 mph = 11 h 17 m
700 miles @ 67 mph = 10 h 27 m
700 miles @ 72 mph = 9 h 43 m
700 miles @ 77 mph = 9 h 5 m
Depending on the speed limit, speeding by just 5 mph over the limit can shave 45 minutes off the trip.
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And then there's mileage—for my car it's:
700 miles @ 55 mph (52 miles per gallon) = $43.75
700 miles @ 60 mph (48 miles per gallon) = $47.40
700 miles @ 65 mph (42 miles per gallon) = $54.17
700 miles @ 70 mph (37 miles per gallon) = $61.48
700 miles @ 75 mph (35 miles per gallon) = $65.00
700 miles @ 80 mph (31 miles per gallon) = $73.38
700 miles @ 85 mph (25 miles per gallon) = $91.00
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 30, 2024, 11:41:44 AM
Well, there's nothing that will happen this year. The bill died in committee last week and is still that way.
But in our General ASSembly, things are NEVER really "dead" until the session ends. Far too often, bills are declared dead by the media only to mysteriously reappear at then end of the session, inserted into an unrelated "must pass" piece of legislation at the last second. Especially if a powerful donor wants them to be passed.
Quote from: SSR_317 on February 28, 2024, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 30, 2024, 11:41:44 AM
Well, there's nothing that will happen this year. The bill died in committee last week and is still that way.
But in our General ASSembly, things are NEVER really "dead" until the session ends. Far too often, bills are declared dead by the media only to mysteriously reappear at then end of the session, inserted into an unrelated "must pass" piece of legislation at the last second. Especially if a powerful donor wants them to be passed.
Nah that is not how it works. Thats not how any of this works.
Indiana only runs the legislature in the first 2 or 3 months of the year, and there are deadlines in the session for the bills to ether be moved along, or be left behind and die.
Now.. there is a rarely used trick, you can Amend the text into another bill that is being moved along. But its rare here, and frowned upon. And even then, its too late to do that.. again.. deadlines. Session only has 15 more days.
Now I explained how it works here. When you want something passed but don't have the support. Like this does not have yet. You just keep introducing it each year, each year you keep "planting the seed" until you can round up enough support and get it through. During this time studies are usually created to look at the issue, which help.
The guy who introduced the bill verbatim said as much in his closing talk on the bill in committee.
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