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The north split in downtown Indy is going to finally be reconstructed. Project starts this fall and will last 2 years. Currently scheduled to be done by Turkey Day 2022. In order to build this, through traffic for both interstates will be closed for the whole 2 years. Access to the local streets will be maintained the whole time though. More details on the MOT: https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Construction-Information.pdf

The preferred alternative is pretty great, the new interchange is much smaller, as the ghost ramps to I-165 will be gone. Other things include flipping 65 and 70 on the NB approach. 65 will leave from the right and 70 will leave from the left to eliminate the weave from the south split. Final design will remove access to certain movements though. 2 that come to mind are 70 wb can't get to penn anymore and delware st cant get to 65 sb anymore. interesting fact is that daily backup on 65 sb from 21st st to the north split is caused by the weaving from this movement! Bridges will be longer over the local streets, with wider sidewalks and a forest will be planted around the interchange. Monon trail will be widened from 10 to 14 feet, and a new trail will be built on the north side of the interchange. A look at the preferred alternative: https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Preferred-Alternative.pdf
This is a design build interchange. This interchange is the second busiest, and most dangerous interchange in the state. I wonder what the busiest is?

I-65 and I-80/94 would be my guess for busiest in the Hoosier state

^ My guess as well.

It will be interesting to see what this does to traffic on I-465. If anything, it's really going to show that INDOT needs to add lanes to the south side sooner rather than later.

Is I-465 going to be free of construction for the next two years while this project is going on?

Nope. I-465 will be undergoing construction on the south side over the next few years in relation to the I-69 extension coming up from the south. 465 from 65 west to 70 will be adding a lane and several overpasses are going to be rebuilt. The only good thing might be to keep the interstate at six lanes even with construction in process, a possibility.

Will West St/Missouri St be signed as an official Downtown Detour? Obviously, outside 465, INDOT will direct Thru Traffic to use the Beltway

Quote from: ilpt4u on July 26, 2020, 02:20:27 PM
Will West St/Missouri St be signed as an official Downtown Detour? Obviously, outside 465, INDOT will direct Thru Traffic to use the Beltway

Maybe, that exit will be widened this fall to accommodate more traffic. 465 On the south side is going to be widened to 8 lanes, i think this will happen after north split, in 2024. The next big project after the north split will be 465/69 clear path on the NE side, they can't do that until after the north split.  Within the next ten years all the bottlenecks will be gone in the metro area. 465 on the south side, north split, 69/465 NE side, 465 from 86th to us 31 (this will be last) and SR 37 in fishers and noblesville and 65 in whitestown. I have also heard rumors about widening 65 from the south split to 465. Eventually the south split will be reconstructed completely as well but this won't be any time soon. I also wouldn't be surprised if 65 from 38th to the north split gets reconstructed in the coming years too.

Quote from: tdindy88 on July 26, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
465 from 65 west to 70 will be adding a lane and several overpasses are going to be rebuilt.

I-65 at Exit 20 or I-65 at Exit 53?  I see a website for a project from I-65 Exit 53 to I-70 west, (https://www.in.gov/indot/3961.htm) but not one that would redo the west side stretch again.

Quote from: Revive 755 on July 26, 2020, 09:50:02 PM

Quote from: tdindy88 on July 26, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
465 from 65 west to 70 will be adding a lane and several overpasses are going to be rebuilt.

I-65 at Exit 20 or I-65 at Exit 53?  I see a website for a project from I-65 Exit 53 to I-70 west, (https://www.in.gov/indot/3961.htm) but not one that would redo the west side stretch again.

53, the portion from exit 9 to 53. that part of 465 is the oldest.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2020/08/12/indianapolis-traffic-north-split-reconstruction-change-downtown/5556727002/

has a video of the new configuration. access to several ramps will be permanently changed.

Could something like this work on the 65/70 thru Downtown?




https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/midtown-interstate-deck-supporters-seek-public-input/JUDOGF5ZKREMDJPVI7ZJDAM25U/?outputType=amp

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Quote from: ibthebigd on August 13, 2020, 07:47:32 PM

Could something like this work on the 65/70 thru Downtown?

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/midtown-interstate-deck-supporters-seek-public-input/JUDOGF5ZKREMDJPVI7ZJDAM25U/?outputType=amp

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Interesting idea, but I see some obstacles.

First is cost. Prices for land in and around downtown Indy aren't nearly as high as Atlanta or Boston (mentioned in the linked article). Other places where highways have been built underground include Dallas (Klyde Warren Park), DC (I-395 under the Capitol grounds), and Minneapolis (between Loring Park and the Walker). All would have been impossible to build above ground or were moved underground for political reasons. A more recent example in St Louis (connecting Luther Ely Smith Park to the Arch grounds) was to facilitate pedestrian access between downtown and the Arch, much needed due to the many events on the Arch grounds (especially the Fair St Louis/ VP Fair every July 4th) and which was mostly paid for by fundraising efforts rather than tax dollars/ highway funds for a park over a freeway that was already in a trench through downtown.

The second is practicality. There looks to be a railroad which may or may not follow Pogue's Run (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/pogues-run) at Ohio Street. A cut-and-cover tunnel would have to account for both Pogue's Run and the railroad. The creek means the water table is probably close to the surface the tunnels need to be well-sealed and monitored. It would be below ground with no easy way to drain, so you'd need pumps for those Midwestern summer cloudbursts as any heavy rains could temporarily close the tunnel. The other railroads near Maryland are elevated so are not an issue. All this would drive up the cost even more, though hopefully not close to Big Dig (https://www.city-journal.org/html/lessons-boston%E2%80%99s-big-dig-13049.html) costs on a per mile basis.

There may be other reasons to not bury the highway, but this is just off the top of my head. The solution here wouldn't be a simple tunnel through a hill like Minneapolis or an already trenched highway like St Louis. The flat land in downtown Indy (I've visited and walked around the area. It's glacial lakebed flat.) is probably why the freeways around its downtown are elevated in the first place. My quick perusal of the area showed not a single trenched freeway anywhere around Indianapolis. I have seen highway tunnels in really flat areas (often around airports like South Howell in Milwaukee or Sepulveda at LAX) but those were driven by other factors.  Putting green space over a highway is great when it can be done (and should be done to complete the US 71 gap in Kansas City), but I don't see it as a realistic solution.

The stretch of I-65/I-70 from Virginia Avenue to just north of Fletcher Avenue theoretically could be capped since it is already below street level and I'm sure there's a few in Fletcher Place/Fountain Square that might like that. But north of there you run into the Pogue's Run/railroad issue and practicality goes out the window.

the project starts 11/30/20

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/2ab40ee

michigan st ramp to close for a year! ohio st will stay open until michigan is finished, then ohio will close for a year. fletcher ramp will be closed for 2 yrs. pine st will stay open the whole time.

65/70 will close for 2 years starting may 2021

Major construction has begun with the Michigan St. ramp closed. the bridge has been demoed and it looks like new piles are being driven for a new bridge. Meanwhile traffic is shifted on 65 around Central Ave. for what appears to be for the same thing. Whole interchange is set to close this spring!

traffic has been shifted on 70 west coming into the split.

North Split will close in about 2 weeks for 1.5 yrs. As a result several exits on 465 will close for the same length to help traffic flow better. Ramp meters will also be added on some other exits too.
Exits to close include:

US 36/SR 67 ramp to SB 465

East St. to EB 465

Ramp Meters on:

Sam Jones Parkway, southbound
Kentucky Avenue, eastbound
Mann Road, eastbound
East Street, northbound/westbound
Shadeland Avenue, southbound

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2021/04/29/indianapolis-traffic-465-ramps-close-receive-traffic-signals/4876188001/

It will be an interesting 1.5 years here in Indy with this project. We've had a few short closures over the past few summers but nothing this intense.

They've been putting up the detour signs around the area (covered up until its go time). I've never thought INDOT did a very good job with posting detours with the past closures so we shall see what happens this go around. The official 65 detour is not going to be the same detour that Google maps would take you on so I don't know how well that will work out.

I read INDOT's Mobility Plan and they are supposed to improve the 65/70 Washington St exit to help traffic since they will force all highway traffic to exit here but they have not touched it at all yet.

https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/North-Split-Mobility-Management-Plan.pdf  (Page 24 and 25).

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on April 29, 2021, 08:20:55 PM
The official 65 detour is not going to be the same detour that Google maps would take you on so I don't know how well that will work out.

An interesting choice:

(https://i.imgur.com/4fakPgs.png)

The reason given is to avoid overloading I-465 on the south side of the city. Still, it's interesting that I-70 eastbound traffic will be instructed to get off I-70, so that I-65 southbound traffic can get on.

Yeah, that's not happening. There's no way most people aren't just going to stick to I-465 around the south side to get back to I-65. I have to drive from Rockville Road to I-65 every day and that interstate is already crowded but this convoluted detour isn't going to fix anything. Alternatively if traffic on 465 becomes so bad I might end up taking that I-70 to I-65 route to get home. Of course I either get to use the loop ramp from I-465 south to I-70 east or that lovely triple left turn at the stoplight onto Sam Jones Expressway (to bring up a recent discussion on another thread.)

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 29, 2021, 09:15:16 PM
I have to drive from Rockville Road to I-65 every day and that interstate is already crowded but this convoluted detour isn't going to fix anything.

You are about to have a fun 4 years. There really isn't any good way to cross the White River south of Indy except 465.

So the official detour for I-70 goes through the work zone for the future I-69 interchange near IN 37?  Great planning.

Quote from: Revive 755 on April 29, 2021, 10:43:57 PM
So the official detour for I-70 goes through the work zone for the future I-69 interchange near IN 37?  Great planning.

The major work on 465 for the 69 project won't start until the North Split project is done.

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 29, 2021, 09:15:16 PM
Yeah, that's not happening. There's no way most people aren't just going to stick to I-465 around the south side to get back to I-65. I have to drive from Rockville Road to I-65 every day and that interstate is already crowded but this convoluted detour isn't going to fix anything. Alternatively if traffic on 465 becomes so bad I might end up taking that I-70 to I-65 route to get home. Of course I either get to use the loop ramp from I-465 south to I-70 east or that lovely triple left turn at the stoplight onto Sam Jones Expressway (to bring up a recent discussion on another thread.)

Or if they close the I-65N to I-465/74 W movement the detour might actually be followed (at least more than it would if that exit remains open).

I'm curious to see how far the advisories for this project will reach. I wouldn't be surprised if we had warning signage for this either via the overhead VMS signage scattered throughout Northwest Indiana, or if they put up temporary orange signs similar to what they did during the massive Borman reconstruction of 2004-12.

Given the size and scope of this project, and the impact it will have on the main drags of Indianapolis (as well as the surrounding surface streets), this is going to be a very big deal. It's sorely needed, but still...

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on April 30, 2021, 12:35:10 AM
I'm curious to see how far the advisories for this project will reach. I wouldn't be surprised if we had warning signage for this either via the overhead VMS signage scattered throughout Northwest Indiana, or if they put up temporary orange signs similar to what they did during the massive Borman reconstruction of 2004-12.

Given the size and scope of this project, and the impact it will have on the main drags of Indianapolis (as well as the surrounding surface streets), this is going to be a very big deal. It's sorely needed, but still...

I remember when they redid I-465 exit 37 they had them on I-69 as far out as Anderson. I would imagine they'll do something similar for this.

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on April 30, 2021, 12:35:10 AM
I'm curious to see how far the advisories for this project will reach. I wouldn't be surprised if we had warning signage for this either via the overhead VMS signage scattered throughout Northwest Indiana, or if they put up temporary orange signs similar to what they did during the massive Borman reconstruction of 2004-12.

Given the size and scope of this project, and the impact it will have on the main drags of Indianapolis (as well as the surrounding surface streets), this is going to be a very big deal. It's sorely needed, but still...

Probably as far away as they can. I remember in the past the VMS (INDOT calls them DMS) in Indy were alerting for highway closures in Louisville. You can actually see what every overhead electronic sign is currently displaying by looking at INDOT's traffic wise map. http://pws.trafficwise.org/

a secret detour is west st.

I know I-465 on the south side is going to get some upgrades as part of the I-69 project, but I'm going to bang the drum again that INDOT should have widened the southern part of the loop a long time ago, or at least once Accelerate 465 on the west side was done. The truck traffic alone should justify an extra set of lanes between the two I-70 interchanges.

Quote from: jhuntin1 on April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
I know I-465 on the south side is going to get some upgrades as part of the I-69 project, but I'm going to bang the drum again that INDOT should have widened the southern part of the loop a long time ago, or at least once Accelerate 465 on the west side was done. The truck traffic alone should justify an extra set of lanes between the two I-70 interchanges.

The whole thing should be 8 mainline lanes, except at Exit 25 where it should be at least 3 through the interchange, 4 surrounding.

I was taking a look again at the upcoming ramp meters and closures along I-465 and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the closure of the ramp from Pendleton Pike (US 36/SR 67) onto I-465 south. What the hell does that exit have to do with any of the I-65 or I-70 detours through the city? I would wager that a good deal of that traffic is just taking I-465 south to I-70 to take it west into the city. And now they want all that traffic to head down to Shadeland to reach I-70. I bet some businesses along that way will be happy with the extra traffic. I must be missing something with the logic of closing that ramp.

At least they got rid of the dumb idea to close the ramp from I-465 onto Kentucky Avenue, you know, the detour for SR 37 due to all the I-69 construction down to Martinsville. Imagining wanting to go to Bloomington from the northwest side of Indy and having to take I-70 out to the airport just to take Ameriplex Parkway down to SR 67 to get to SR 39 and I-69.

The ramp closure from East Street to I-465 east at least makes more sense in reducing some of the congestion. But U-Turning at Harding Street to get back onto I-465 with all the semi trucks in that area. Yeah that will go well. Better off taking Hanna or Thompson Road and reaching the interstate via Keystone at I-65 or Emerson at I-465.

Quote from: tdindy88 on May 01, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
I was taking a look again at the upcoming ramp meters and closures along I-465 and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the closure of the ramp from Pendleton Pike (US 36/SR 67) onto I-465 south. What the hell does that exit have to do with any of the I-65 or I-70 detours through the city? I would wager that a good deal of that traffic is just taking I-465 south to I-70 to take it west into the city. And now they want all that traffic to head down to Shadeland to reach I-70. I bet some businesses along that way will be happy with the extra traffic. I must be missing something with the logic of closing that ramp.

At least they got rid of the dumb idea to close the ramp from I-465 onto Kentucky Avenue, you know, the detour for SR 37 due to all the I-69 construction down to Martinsville. Imagining wanting to go to Bloomington from the northwest side of Indy and having to take I-70 out to the airport just to take Ameriplex Parkway down to SR 67 to get to SR 39 and I-69.

The ramp closure from East Street to I-465 east at least makes more sense in reducing some of the congestion. But U-Turning at Harding Street to get back onto I-465 with all the semi trucks in that area. Yeah that will go well. Better off taking Hanna or Thompson Road and reaching the interstate via Keystone at I-65 or Emerson at I-465.

My best guess is that INDOT is anticipating a sizable increase in traffic volume on 465 during the closure so they want to take as much local traffic off as possible. Since the movement for Pendleton to 70 is a one exit gap, using Shadeland as a short detour makes sense.

Quote from: tdindy88 on May 01, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
I was taking a look again at the upcoming ramp meters and closures along I-465 and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the closure of the ramp from Pendleton Pike (US 36/SR 67) onto I-465 south. What the hell does that exit have to do with any of the I-65 or I-70 detours through the city? I would wager that a good deal of that traffic is just taking I-465 south to I-70 to take it west into the city. And now they want all that traffic to head down to Shadeland to reach I-70. I bet some businesses along that way will be happy with the extra traffic. I must be missing something with the logic of closing that ramp.

At least they got rid of the dumb idea to close the ramp from I-465 onto Kentucky Avenue, you know, the detour for SR 37 due to all the I-69 construction down to Martinsville. Imagining wanting to go to Bloomington from the northwest side of Indy and having to take I-70 out to the airport just to take Ameriplex Parkway down to SR 67 to get to SR 39 and I-69.

The ramp closure from East Street to I-465 east at least makes more sense in reducing some of the congestion. But U-Turning at Harding Street to get back onto I-465 with all the semi trucks in that area. Yeah that will go well. Better off taking Hanna or Thompson Road and reaching the interstate via Keystone at I-65 or Emerson at I-465.

i take 465 on the east side every day to work, and the US 36/SR 67 ramp does slow down mainline a bit, well the right 2 lanes. not appreciably, but it can be annoying.

Quote from: I-55 on April 30, 2021, 08:27:45 PM

Quote from: jhuntin1 on April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
I know I-465 on the south side is going to get some upgrades as part of the I-69 project, but I'm going to bang the drum again that INDOT should have widened the southern part of the loop a long time ago, or at least once Accelerate 465 on the west side was done. The truck traffic alone should justify an extra set of lanes between the two I-70 interchanges.

The whole thing should be 8 mainline lanes, except at Exit 25 where it should be at least 3 through the interchange, 4 surrounding.

i agree, but at least it will be that wide from 70 on the west side to 65 on the south side.

Portable message board signs indicate they will be closing the North Split on or after May 14th.

The VMS signs around the city are now warning people of the upcoming closure.

INDOT is working on the Washington St exit now, which is the exit anyone who ignores the closed highway signs will be forced to take. And once again, INDOT is doing things that don't make sense.

Here is a street view of the Washington St exit ramp. https://goo.gl/maps/p5qp75aa2Bi9PCMs9 (https://goo.gl/maps/p5qp75aa2Bi9PCMs9)

It might be hard to see, but the street straight ahead, Pine St, is closed. That street view is from July 2019...and its still closed today. The local utility company has had it closed for awhile now for one of their major tunnel boring projects. Its not a big deal though, as Pine St isn't really used for much at all.

You can see how the exit is configured from the street view. There isn't a dedicated straight lane, so the Pine St closure isn't something that requires any special signage or lane closures on the exit ramp. Yet, INDOT is going to reconfigure the exit ramp like this https://imgur.com/n1lNY9G (https://imgur.com/n1lNY9G). They are going to make a dedicated straight lane....to a road....that is closed.

The cherry on top is that they have updated the overheard lane signs already, but have not remarked the lanes. So the overheard turn signs show 6 lanes, but the pavement markings show 5. I'm sure they will fix that before the closure but they have essentially made a lane that they will immediately have to close for no benefit at all.

It has begun!!  :clap:

It is currently a mad house downtown. Despite Google maps showing the highway as closed, its directions are still telling people to take 65 through town. I just tried a test route on Google maps and it still suggests taking the closed interstate.

To add to the fun, INDOT has one lane of the ramp from I-465 west to I-65 south on the south side down to one lane for some unknown reason. Even at noon on Saturday (today), that interchange was a mess.

One thing INDOT is going to have to get right are these Travel Time signs. This is the live look at one on the east side of Indy, heading west (per their traffic wise map).

https://imgur.com/aMfiJdi

It currently says its only a 22 minute drive through town if you stay on 70 but ITS CLOSED! They need to put an X on that sign or something.

Can anyone tell me what's going on the north west side on 65 north? That areas been red all day and it says construction. What the heck are they doing over there?

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Quote from: FixThe74Sign on May 15, 2021, 11:09:23 AM
It is currently a mad house downtown. Despite Google maps showing the highway as closed, its directions are still telling people to take 65 through town. I just tried a test route on Google maps and it still suggests taking the closed interstate.

Likely just a database sync issue that corrected itself given a short amount of time - when I did a test route from I65 on the north side to the south side it routes correctly via 465.  Note that the northbound side doesn't close until Sunday.

Indot in it's infinite wisdom has closed 65 north downtown while also sending through traffic into another construction zone. They have 65 north down to 1 lane at 465 to 71st st. To do some random shit. Hopefully this is just a weekend thing and will be over tonight because this is a very dumb thing to do

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Looks like it's a weekend thing thank goodness! I don't see the backup anymore

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Are there any plans to reconstruct the southern junction of Interstate 65/70? I'd like to see the left-hand ramps moved to the right-hand side.

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2021, 12:54:14 PM
Are there any plans to reconstruct the southern junction of Interstate 65/70? I'd like to see the left-hand ramps moved to the right-hand side.

it will happen a very very long time from now, I remember asking INDOT about this and all they would tell me is that it will happen eventually.

They just rebuilt the bridges and ramps of that interchange a few years ago. The South Split for all intents and purposes is basically fairly new as it is. Besides, if they redo the configuration of the ramps now it would offset what they're trying to achieve with this North Split stuff now.

and as predicted mass chaos on the south side every evening. 465 is a total mess!  :-o

Every morning, too.

As predicted I've had to take 70 and 65 through town every morning coming home from work from Rockville Road to the Greenwood area. The blue travel time sign at Sam Jones Expressway said the other day it was a 35 minute drive from I-70 to I-65. No thank you At least I can take 465 in the evenings. I thought that the official I-65 detour using 65 and 70 was kind of dumb but I'll take that back. It's far from the worst idea INDOT's ever had. There are times of the day when that routing is very tempting.

I know the North Split does need to be done because of the old bridges and pavement and waiting any longer is probably not an option. But I kind of wonder if we should have done all the I-465 widening and I-69 interchange on the south side stuff first to make that highway a little better prepared for this. 18 MONTHS of this stuff is going to get old very fast. It might as well be an eternity.

Quote from: tdindy88 on May 20, 2021, 08:44:30 PM
As predicted I've had to take 70 and 65 through town every morning coming home from work from Rockville Road to the Greenwood area. The blue travel time sign at Sam Jones Expressway said the other day it was a 35 minute drive from I-70 to I-65. No thank you At least I can take 465 in the evenings. I thought that the official I-65 detour using 65 and 70 was kind of dumb but I'll take that back. It's far from the worst idea INDOT's ever had. There are times of the day when that routing is very tempting.

I know the North Split does need to be done because of the old bridges and pavement and waiting any longer is probably not an option. But I kind of wonder if we should have done all the I-465 widening and I-69 interchange on the south side stuff first to make that highway a little better prepared for this. 18 MONTHS of this stuff is going to get old very fast. It might as well be an eternity.

I'm surprised people haven't realized you can do all the same movements using west st instead of the north split. It's actually very easy to do now with through traffic gone. Also north split had to happen now. Some of the bridges would not have lasted another year. That road was in VERY BAD shape.

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This also teaches the freeway teardown people of what would happen if their poor ideas came to fruition.

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I've been back in the office for five weeks now. I park on Maryland across from the Convention Center and my normal route for years from Fishers has been to take 70 around to Missouri and come up past the stadiums to Maryland. This week I've taken 70 to 65 to the Meridian exit over to Capitol and down to enter my garage off Capitol. It has actually been quicker because there is minimal traffic on Capitol with most downtown employees (including state employees) not yet back in the office

Tonight instead of heading up Illinois to head for home I stayed on Maryland to go get on 70 from the Pine Street ramp. Total cluster over there. Everything was jammed from the people staying on 70 and taking the collector distributor to Ohio Street. Park Avenue was filled with people trying to get down to Washington to hop back on 70.

I could not believe how many semis I saw in that traffic. They could not all have been making downtown deliveries at 6 pm.

I wonder what my commute will be like once the downtown workers return but for now it hasn't been bad. But I'm not getting anywhere near the east side of downtown for a long time

My office is in the Ohio - East - Washington circle of death. The amount of NOT LOCAL semi traffic roaming around downtown is insane right now.

Quote from: ysuindy on May 20, 2021, 10:49:30 PM
I've been back in the office for five weeks now. I park on Maryland across from the Convention Center and my normal route for years from Fishers has been to take 70 around to Missouri and come up past the stadiums to Maryland. This week I've taken 70 to 65 to the Meridian exit over to Capitol and down to enter my garage off Capitol. It has actually been quicker because there is minimal traffic on Capitol with most downtown employees (including state employees) not yet back in the office

Tonight instead of heading up Illinois to head for home I stayed on Maryland to go get on 70 from the Pine Street ramp. Total cluster over there. Everything was jammed from the people staying on 70 and taking the collector distributor to Ohio Street. Park Avenue was filled with people trying to get down to Washington to hop back on 70.

I could not believe how many semis I saw in that traffic. They could not all have been making downtown deliveries at 6 pm.

I wonder what my commute will be like once the downtown workers return but for now it hasn't been bad. But I'm not getting anywhere near the east side of downtown for a long time

Ohio St closes next month then all that traffic will move up to Michigan st. Anyone remember how hyper fix affected traffic?

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Drove through Indy on both Sunday and Saturday of this past week to drop off/pick up our dog at my in-laws while on vacation. Normally we would take 65 straight through the city to Southport Rd. Of course we had to use 465 around the west and south sides, and both times traffic was pretty heavy for a weekend.

Does INDOT really need to drop the speed limit on eastbound I-70 prior to the southern I-65 interchange down to 40 for this project?  The normal 50 mph speed limit on I-70 is bad enough.  :banghead:

Quote from: Revive 755 on November 14, 2021, 10:47:06 PM
Does INDOT really need to drop the speed limit on eastbound I-70 prior to the southern I-65 interchange down to 40 for this project?  The normal 50 mph speed limit on I-70 is bad enough.  :banghead:

literally noone ever went 50 and they certainly arent going 40  :-D i come in going 70-75 like everyone else  :-D

Westbound I-465 on the southside just past the I-65 north ramp has construction speed limit signs that say 55. Considering that's the normal speed limit posted on the route, I'm curious if the signs are posted to draw attention to the construction zone itself (the bridge replacement for Keystone Ave.) or to encourage people to slow down from the 60-75 mph they're usually doing if there is no traffic.

Note: This is probably a rant, I just had to get some stuff off my chest concerning this project. Yes I know it's super needed and it will be great once its completed. Anyway, I can pretty say that I think the North Split construction project is the most disruptive project in Indianapolis history and I don't even think there will be a close second, at least until the Clearview I-69 interchange project happens. All the traffic being forced on the southern part of I-465 every single day. I find it hard to believe that we have a supply-chain problem in this country with all the freaking trucks I'm seeing.

Anyways, the reason for my rant has to do with a very recent experience, this morning. Due to heavy traffic on I-465 (as usual) I decided to take I-70 to I-65 to get from my job on the west side to my home on the south side. First of all, I notice a small message board sign (the portable ones) that mentioned I-65/I-70 Closed and Access to US 40. Access to US 40?  What the hell!

But then, speaking of the eastbound I-70 to I-65 South Split that some people were bringing up last week, I notice that they removed the barrier between the left lane and the two right lanes separating the traffic bound for Washington Street and I-65 South. It was too late when I realized that the lanes had returned to their original configurations as prior to the start of the construction project. The entrance ramp from Meridian Street was once again the right of the two right lanes heading to I-65 south and the two left lanes on I-70 were now both heading to Washington Street. It was too late and I had to exit off at Washington Street and take a unique roundabout way to get back to I-65 south. While waiting for several minutes at the traffic light to get onto Washington Street I had observed that the bridge that carries the interstate over Washington St was not built yet. So why are the traffic lanes on I-70 approaching the South Split normal again?

Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 08:23:33 AM
Note: This is probably a rant, I just had to get some stuff off my chest concerning this project. Yes I know it's super needed and it will be great once its completed. Anyway, I can pretty say that I think the North Split construction project is the most disruptive project in Indianapolis history and I don't even think there will be a close second, at least until the Clearview I-69 interchange project happens. All the traffic being forced on the southern part of I-465 every single day. I find it hard to believe that we have a supply-chain problem in this country with all the freaking trucks I'm seeing.

Anyways, the reason for my rant has to do with a very recent experience, this morning. Due to heavy traffic on I-465 (as usual) I decided to take I-70 to I-65 to get from my job on the west side to my home on the south side. First of all, I notice a small message board sign (the portable ones) that mentioned I-65/I-70 Closed and Access to US 40. Access to US 40?  What the hell!

But then, speaking of the eastbound I-70 to I-65 South Split that some people were bringing up last week, I notice that they removed the barrier between the left lane and the two right lanes separating the traffic bound for Washington Street and I-65 South. It was too late when I realized that the lanes had returned to their original configurations as prior to the start of the construction project. The entrance ramp from Meridian Street was once again the right of the two right lanes heading to I-65 south and the two left lanes on I-70 were now both heading to Washington Street. It was too late and I had to exit off at Washington Street and take a unique roundabout way to get back to I-65 south. While waiting for several minutes at the traffic light to get onto Washington Street I had observed that the bridge that carries the interstate over Washington St was not built yet. So why are the traffic lanes on I-70 approaching the South Split normal again?

the reason why it's taking so long to be built is because they are building on top of existing. and on top of that 65 and 70 will be flipped to allow for less weaving. i would recommend taking the secret detour, get off on west st and take that to 65 and head out on 70 e. i think this job really proves the rethink people's argument wrong. we really do need these interstates downtown!

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 23, 2021, 08:29:43 AM

Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 08:23:33 AM
Note: This is probably a rant, I just had to get some stuff off my chest concerning this project. Yes I know it's super needed and it will be great once its completed. Anyway, I can pretty say that I think the North Split construction project is the most disruptive project in Indianapolis history and I don't even think there will be a close second, at least until the Clearview I-69 interchange project happens. All the traffic being forced on the southern part of I-465 every single day. I find it hard to believe that we have a supply-chain problem in this country with all the freaking trucks I'm seeing.

Anyways, the reason for my rant has to do with a very recent experience, this morning. Due to heavy traffic on I-465 (as usual) I decided to take I-70 to I-65 to get from my job on the west side to my home on the south side. First of all, I notice a small message board sign (the portable ones) that mentioned I-65/I-70 Closed and Access to US 40. Access to US 40?  What the hell!

But then, speaking of the eastbound I-70 to I-65 South Split that some people were bringing up last week, I notice that they removed the barrier between the left lane and the two right lanes separating the traffic bound for Washington Street and I-65 South. It was too late when I realized that the lanes had returned to their original configurations as prior to the start of the construction project. The entrance ramp from Meridian Street was once again the right of the two right lanes heading to I-65 south and the two left lanes on I-70 were now both heading to Washington Street. It was too late and I had to exit off at Washington Street and take a unique roundabout way to get back to I-65 south. While waiting for several minutes at the traffic light to get onto Washington Street I had observed that the bridge that carries the interstate over Washington St was not built yet. So why are the traffic lanes on I-70 approaching the South Split normal again?

the reason why it's taking so long to be built is because they are building on top of existing. and on top of that 65 and 70 will be flipped to allow for less weaving. i would recommend taking the secret detour, get off on west st and take that to 65 and head out on 70 e. i think this job really proves the rethink people's argument wrong. we really do need these interstates downtown!

They made that change last weekend. It sucks that you got caught but the new configuration is much safer than it was before. Still won't stop truckers from ignoring the detour signs though...

when all of the projects on 465 are done in about 10 yrs the only portion not 8 lanes wide with aux lanes will be the SE Quad.

Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 08:23:33 AM
Note: This is probably a rant, I just had to get some stuff off my chest concerning this project. Yes I know it's super needed and it will be great once its completed. Anyway, I can pretty say that I think the North Split construction project is the most disruptive project in Indianapolis history and I don't even think there will be a close second, at least until the Clearview I-69 interchange project happens. All the traffic being forced on the southern part of I-465 every single day. I find it hard to believe that we have a supply-chain problem in this country with all the freaking trucks I'm seeing.

Anyways, the reason for my rant has to do with a very recent experience, this morning. Due to heavy traffic on I-465 (as usual) I decided to take I-70 to I-65 to get from my job on the west side to my home on the south side. First of all, I notice a small message board sign (the portable ones) that mentioned I-65/I-70 Closed and Access to US 40. Access to US 40?  What the hell!

But then, speaking of the eastbound I-70 to I-65 South Split that some people were bringing up last week, I notice that they removed the barrier between the left lane and the two right lanes separating the traffic bound for Washington Street and I-65 South. It was too late when I realized that the lanes had returned to their original configurations as prior to the start of the construction project. The entrance ramp from Meridian Street was once again the right of the two right lanes heading to I-65 south and the two left lanes on I-70 were now both heading to Washington Street. It was too late and I had to exit off at Washington Street and take a unique roundabout way to get back to I-65 south. While waiting for several minutes at the traffic light to get onto Washington Street I had observed that the bridge that carries the interstate over Washington St was not built yet. So why are the traffic lanes on I-70 approaching the South Split normal again?

INDOT has been very good about sending out advance notice of changes like this.   Highly recommend you go to https://public.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/subscriber/new?preferences=true and sign up for email notifications.   There are very granular options as to which types of emails you want to get, both by county and by project.

Fair enough. It was only a few weeks ago that I noticed the North Split had a Facebook page just like the I-69 Finish Line. I also noticed there was a link referencing the project and stating that they were returning to the per-construction configuration at the South Split for the winter season. I would just like to know why? As far as I know I would have thought that most of the traffic going through there right now is going from EB to SB through the South Split for the I-65 detour. Do we need two lanes for just Washington Street? Maybe it needs to be that way.

Recent drone footage of the project:




Since late March 2022, weekly drone videos showing the project's progress have been uploaded to YouTube. They can be viewed here. (http://ttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwvrC4D8U9EF-KGlxGYFDog)

I was wondering how this project was progressing.

Thank You

SM-G996U

Thanks for posting the video link. All I can think now is how on earth are they going to finish this before Christmas?

Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 09, 2022, 11:09:17 AM
Thanks for posting the video link. All I can think now is how on earth are they going to finish this before Christmas?

thanksgiving*

Quote from: ITB on June 07, 2022, 06:30:38 PM
Since late March 2022, weekly drone videos showing the project's progress have been uploaded to YouTube. They can actually be viewed using this edited link. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwvrC4D8U9EF-KGlxGYFDog)

Quote from: davewiecking on June 09, 2022, 11:36:28 PM

Quote from: ITB on June 07, 2022, 06:30:38 PM
Since late March 2022, weekly drone videos showing the project's progress have been uploaded to YouTube. They can actually be viewed using this edited link. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwvrC4D8U9EF-KGlxGYFDog)

These videos are fantastic. I spent way too much time last night playing two at once to see how things have progressed. There doesn't seem to have been much progress in the actual interchange itself since March, except for the I-65 eastbound mainline (I think). Hopefully, that's just a misperception, and things are happening underground and so on.

On a side note, I like how some of the old ramps of the interchange are now being used for construction access.

Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2022, 11:13:49 PM

Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 09, 2022, 11:09:17 AM
Thanks for posting the video link. All I can think now is how on earth are they going to finish this before Christmas?

thanksgiving*

I don't think it will be finished by Thanksgiving, and I think Christmas is optimistic at this point.

Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 11, 2022, 01:44:17 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2022, 11:13:49 PM

Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 09, 2022, 11:09:17 AM
Thanks for posting the video link. All I can think now is how on earth are they going to finish this before Christmas?

thanksgiving*

I don't think it will be finished by Thanksgiving, and I think Christmas is optimistic at this point.

neither do i but that's what INDOT has always said in the media, thanksgiving.

The new flyover bridge from I65 to I70 opened today.

https://northsplit.com/new-i-65-i-70-flyover-bridge-open-to-traffic/

Here is another story on the opening of the new flyover bridge I found on my New Tab: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/north-split-project-flyover-bridge-to-i-70-now-open/ar-AAZ4Gft?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=eb07260406a544449d29a6ee1d21d66c.

so cool! i bet we won't see another movement open until much later in the year. looks like a lot of work to be done!

Here's the latest drone video, uploaded yesterday, August 2, 2022. Good progress is being made. The project seems to be on schedule, as crews typically are not working nights nor on Sundays, except in certain circumstances.

At the Ohio Street/railroad bridge site on the south leg, preparations are underway to construct the cap for the middle bent. After the cap pours complete, and bearings put in, the placement of beams will soon follow. That will involve major coordination with the railroad, as there will have to be a significant pause of all rail operations at the location. This is a large bridge, crossing both the railroad tracks and Ohio Street. It's completion, expected by the end of October, will be a major turning point for the project, as by then all the bridges of the south leg should be complete or nearly so.

Work also has resumed near the pilings for the bridges the will cross over College Ave. Of the six movements the project involves, perhaps the last to complete will be the shift of I-70 west to I-65 north onto new pavement and bridges, including the bridge over College Ave.

Crews don't work nights or Sunday? That helps explain the 18 months of hell that have been the construction of the North Split.

I don't think any construction project has ever been as disruptive to Indianapolis as this one has been. Necessary beyond all belief but I honestly wonder how long it really needed to take to do it. ITB, you may be a good authority on this one. Maybe it's really necessary to take that long of time, if it is then it is and I'm fine with that. But still, 465 on the south side is now a parking lot most of the day. Lots of people, including myself sitting in traffic over an interchange that we don't even go near.

And then, if I want to take 70 east to 65 south through the city (going from the west side to the south side) traffic is backed up because the engineers of this project want all through traffic to be forced on one lane approaching the South Split with two lanes heading off to Washington Street. Add the people taking the on-ramp from West Street onto I-70 east and there are backups every day.

18 long months. I'll be very happy when its over. It will be a very nice interchange and a lot of the conflicts that made traffic bad there will be eliminated. But still....18 months.

I apologize for the rant, you're reporting of construction projects on this forum have been excellent.

Quote from: tdindy88 on August 03, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
Crews don't work nights or Sunday? That helps explain the 18 months of hell that have been the construction of the North Split.

I don't think any construction project has ever been as disruptive to Indianapolis as this one has been. Necessary beyond all belief but I honestly wonder how long it really needed to take to do it. ITB, you may be a good authority on this one. Maybe it's really necessary to take that long of time, if it is then it is and I'm fine with that. But still, 465 on the south side is now a parking lot most of the day. Lots of people, including myself sitting in traffic over an interchange that we don't even go near.

And then, if I want to take 70 east to 65 south through the city (going from the west side to the south side) traffic is backed up because the engineers of this project want all through traffic to be forced on one lane approaching the South Split with two lanes heading off to Washington Street. Add the people taking the on-ramp from West Street onto I-70 east and there are backups every day.

18 long months. I'll be very happy when its over. It will be a very nice interchange and a lot of the conflicts that made traffic bad there will be eliminated. But still....18 months.

I apologize for the rant, you're reporting of construction projects on this forum have been excellent.

i believe night work isnt being done because of noise ordinances. so many people live in the area i bet the city just won't allow it. no sunday work? that is weird. 

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 03, 2022, 09:09:55 PM

Quote from: tdindy88 on August 03, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
Crews don't work nights or Sunday? That helps explain the 18 months of hell that have been the construction of the North Split.

I don't think any construction project has ever been as disruptive to Indianapolis as this one has been. Necessary beyond all belief but I honestly wonder how long it really needed to take to do it. ITB, you may be a good authority on this one. Maybe it's really necessary to take that long of time, if it is then it is and I'm fine with that. But still, 465 on the south side is now a parking lot most of the day. Lots of people, including myself sitting in traffic over an interchange that we don't even go near.

And then, if I want to take 70 east to 65 south through the city (going from the west side to the south side) traffic is backed up because the engineers of this project want all through traffic to be forced on one lane approaching the South Split with two lanes heading off to Washington Street. Add the people taking the on-ramp from West Street onto I-70 east and there are backups every day.

18 long months. I'll be very happy when its over. It will be a very nice interchange and a lot of the conflicts that made traffic bad there will be eliminated. But still....18 months.

I apologize for the rant, you're reporting of construction projects on this forum have been excellent.

i believe night work isnt being done because of noise ordinances. so many people live in the area i bet the city just won't allow it. no sunday work? that is weird.

I based my night and Sunday work statement on observations via INDOT traffic cams located in or near the construction zone. Whether some work is ongoing during those times, I truly don't know because the cameras don't cover every area. But, to me, it appears it isn't, at least on a regular basis. And, actually, that's a good thing, as it indicates the project seems to be on schedule.

As for how long the project may have taken if all movements were required to remain open, I'm not sure. But, I'd say, at least an additional year. There are 50 bridges in this project. 50! Bridge work takes time. Numerous bridges in the project have had to be knocked down, then built anew, one after the other. It's all very time consuming. Across the country, all sorts of things have been tried to speed up bridge work. In 2019, INDOT oversaw the construction of an I-70 bridge in Wayne County using an accelerated construction technique (link below).

This project still has considerable bridge work remaining. The next couple of months will be crucial. Right now, even though things seem to be going well, some people associated with the project are probably heading home nightly with cases of indigestion, worried about this or that.

To speculate, if INDOT and its contractors had decided to work 24/7 on the project, it's a good bet the project still would have taken 10 months to a year to complete. And, that's with a closure. On average, that would have meant a completed bridge every week. Moreover, there'd be the additional expense to contend with, which might have reached upwards of $100 million or so.

Indiana Accelerated Bridge Construction Case Study (https://abc-utc.fiu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2019/07/Indiana_ABC_case_study_t2.pdf)

Edit: grammar; readability

I'm a downtown Indy office worker.  The project was underway before I returned to working in the office from the pandemic.   

The daily commute in to downtown has not been horrific.  There are bad days, but there are enough options to getting downtown and enough options once you take any of the 3 exits off the interstate from the East side that it hasn't been bad.  Traffic is heavier now than it was and red line reconstruction has made a mess of Capital, but it is manageable.

The commute home has been miserable since the Pine Street ramp closed a few weeks ago.  Even when the Delaware Street ramp was closed, it was not as bad as it is now.  I guess it is because now all the traffic leaving downtown on 70 East must funnel in to two lanes to head through the north split.  When Delaware was closed but Pine was open, your merge was where there was four lanes well East of the North Split - now it is two lanes.

It has just backed up 11th and Delaware both to near gridlock until well after 6 p.m.   I keep hoping it will get better, but keep ending up heading to 16th street to Roosevelt to Hillsdale to Bloyd under 70 to get on 70 from Rural.  I should try something different tonight.   Maybe after the State Fair ends I can use Fall Creek to Binford - but I hate that commute so much.

Coming from Fishers, I know I will have a miserable Monday morning commute with the reconfiguration of lanes for 69 south to 465 combined with the Allisonville ramp closure - I need to prepare for an hour long commute Monday.  Counting my months until retirement......

Quote from: ysuindy on August 05, 2022, 03:51:26 PM
I'm a downtown Indy office worker.  The project was underway before I returned to working in the office from the pandemic.   

The daily commute in to downtown has not been horrific.  There are bad days, but there are enough options to getting downtown and enough options once you take any of the 3 exits off the interstate from the East side that it hasn't been bad.  Traffic is heavier now than it was and red line reconstruction has made a mess of Capital, but it is manageable.

The commute home has been miserable since the Pine Street ramp closed a few weeks ago.  Even when the Delaware Street ramp was closed, it was not as bad as it is now.  I guess it is because now all the traffic leaving downtown on 70 East must funnel in to two lanes to head through the north split.  When Delaware was closed but Pine was open, your merge was where there was four lanes well East of the North Split - now it is two lanes.

It has just backed up 11th and Delaware both to near gridlock until well after 6 p.m.   I keep hoping it will get better, but keep ending up heading to 16th street to Roosevelt to Hillsdale to Bloyd under 70 to get on 70 from Rural.  I should try something different tonight.   Maybe after the State Fair ends I can use Fall Creek to Binford - but I hate that commute so much.

Coming from Fishers, I know I will have a miserable Monday morning commute with the reconfiguration of lanes for 69 south to 465 combined with the Allisonville ramp closure - I need to prepare for an hour long commute Monday.  Counting my months until retirement......

take the official detour home, NY to Rural and onto 70 E. that should work better.

I would be shocked if this project finishes on time. We were told at the beginning of this project that the Pine St ramp to 70 East would stay open the whole project, and that obviously is not the case anymore with its closure. This tells me they are running out of time if they are going back on previous promises. Looking at those videos, I don't see how this will wrap up by November.

I wonder if the main movements get done and the exits linger on a bit afterwards? if they don't open it in time wouldn't it run into projects they have already announced on 465? that would be bad!

On Friday, August 5, 2022, Commissioner Mike Smith – INDOT's top executive – visited the North Split work zone. Undoubtedly, the visit sends a clear message underscoring the importance of the project to INDOT, the state, and the city of Indianapolis. A few pictures of the visit can be viewed here. (https://www.facebook.com/indianadepartmentoftransportation)

Smith was appointed INDOT Commissioner by Governor Eric Holcomb in February 2022. His bio can be accessed here. (https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Michael-Smith-Bio-2.2022.pdf)

I drove through there yesterday. I'm not a construction expert but I don't see this being done by the end of November.

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 15, 2022, 10:24:52 AM
I drove through there yesterday. I'm not a construction expert but I don't see this being done by the end of November.

:-D i feel the same!

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 15, 2022, 10:29:21 AM

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 15, 2022, 10:24:52 AM
I drove through there yesterday. I'm not a construction expert but I don't see this being done by the end of November.

:-D i feel the same!

Tossing in my two cents, and I'm no construction expert, too, I feel somewhat confident in saying that all six movements will be open by the end of the year. I base this on my experience watching construction. Two drone videos of the project are now being uploaded weekly. When examined closely, almost daily progress can be perceived.

Good progress is being made on the South Leg. Paving crews are working north from the Washington Street work zone, as well as south from the North Split itself. The new Pine Street ramp to I-70E is scheduled to be open by the end of September, the 26th to be exact. That appears to be going as planned. There is solid progress, too, on the bridges over Ohio Street and the railroad. Those, as well as the bridges over New York Street, are planned to complete by the end of October. If that goes as scheduled, it will prime the South Leg I-65/I-70 movements to be opened to I-70E.

The progress of the ramps to and from I-65N is not as far along as those to I-70E. Among other work, these ramps require the construction of two new bridges over 10th Street. It was only last week that the old easternmost bridge over 10th Street was taken down. That was the bridge that carried the Pine Street ramp to I-70E. They should be able to complete these bridges by late October.

As each bridge completes, it will allow more crews to be repositioned at other sites. This will increase the pace of construction of the remaining bridges. Probably the last bridges to be completed will be the trio over College Avenue. Those might go up fast.

I'm optimistic they'll get it done.

Here's a few screen shots of recent work:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52284793945_ec22fd9df6_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
On the South Leg, crews await the concrete mixers to pour the deck for a bridge over Michigan Street. Note the early time – 6:22am.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52284572699_34ef3331aa_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
Night work. Installing the beams for a bridge over Central Avenue.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52284792740_b8f5a02bdc_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
On the South Leg, getting ready to pave the section south of the Washington Street bridges.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52284793630_32ec6825dd_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
They started just after the Friday evening rush hour and finished up around 1:30 am.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52284571639_1ecee7d817_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
Waiting for the boss. Crew members typically arrive between 5:30 and 6:30am.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52284306726_2ee28fbfcc_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
The beginning of another day.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52283331017_330ce6e433_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
Quiet night. For the most part, night work is only occurring in certain circumstances. That may change as we move into September and October.

i had a feeling all the work was just being done outside of driver's sight. i bet the mainline movements will open on time and the exits may lag into next year.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 15, 2022, 07:04:10 PM
i bet the mainline movements will open on time and the exits may lag into next year.

Take it for what it's worth, but I talked to an acquaintance of mine who works for INDOT last week and he said this is pretty much the plan right now.

Quote from: jhuntin1 on August 16, 2022, 08:46:38 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 15, 2022, 07:04:10 PM
i bet the mainline movements will open on time and the exits may lag into next year.

Take it for what it's worth, but I talked to an acquaintance of mine who works for INDOT last week and he said this is pretty much the plan right now.

Probably right. I only say this because that's how similar projects have worked out. take a look at i-69.

here is a video from yesterday. i think the mainline will get done on time at this rate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emb9ajj-Mgc

Just seems like there is a lot of work left for the through movements on 65 north and 70 west.  Maybe the new bridges go faster than I think.

Quote from: ysuindy on August 17, 2022, 11:44:23 PM
Just seems like there is a lot of work left for the through movements on 65 north and 70 west.  Maybe the new bridges go faster than I think.

i think 70 will open before 65 does. i only say this because 65n work really is just getting started since new 65n is where the current pine st exit is that just closed.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 18, 2022, 08:06:31 AM

Quote from: ysuindy on August 17, 2022, 11:44:23 PM
Just seems like there is a lot of work left for the through movements on 65 north and 70 west.  Maybe the new bridges go faster than I think.

i think 70 will open before 65 does. i only say this because 65n work really is just getting started since new 65n is where the current pine st exit is that just closed.

Which movement will be bridged over the other?   I see several support beams sticking up for the last few months.   It is apparent both 70 west and 65 north will go under 70 east.  But one of them has to go over the other.  That bridge would seem to be last.   

65 south would go under 70 east as well.  And given that part of the purpose is the remove the need for weaving before the south split, either 70 west of 65 south has to go over the other.   That's the other bridge that seems be one of the last.

Quote from: ysuindy on August 18, 2022, 03:06:25 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 18, 2022, 08:06:31 AM

Quote from: ysuindy on August 17, 2022, 11:44:23 PM
Just seems like there is a lot of work left for the through movements on 65 north and 70 west.  Maybe the new bridges go faster than I think.

i think 70 will open before 65 does. i only say this because 65n work really is just getting started since new 65n is where the current pine st exit is that just closed.

Which movement will be bridged over the other?   I see several support beams sticking up for the last few months.   It is apparent both 70 west and 65 north will go under 70 east.  But one of them has to go over the other.  That bridge would seem to be last.   

65 south would go under 70 east as well.  And given that part of the purpose is the remove the need for weaving before the south split, either 70 west of 65 south has to go over the other.   That's the other bridge that seems be one of the last.

I'm not sure honestly. I just know that from what was announced, and what you can see on their website drawings, the furthest east alignment has to be 65n mainline at least that is the only thing that makes sense to me when i look at it. it's really hard to tell what's going on though from the videos  :-D so i could be wrong

To see the final configuration – what ramp carries what, etc. – check out this schematic. (https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Overview_BaseMap.pdf) It's the best I've come across. The new bridges over Market Street are not indicated , so that aspect of the project appears to be a late add.

Here's another project map, an overhead schematic (https://buildingindiana.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/North-Split-Overhead.png). Of interest, this map seems to show the reuse of the bridge over 10th Street that previously carried the Pine Street ramp to I-70E. Note the slightly darker shade of gray for that bridge. As some of you know, the Pine Street ramp to I-70E was originally slated to remain open during the duration of the project. However, the ramp was closed last month and the bridge over 10th Street demolished. It's possible – and, please, bear in mind I am not affiliated with the project in any way – that after the project was underway further examination of the bridge revealed it was in worse condition than initially believed. Thus, the decision to demolish and replace, rather than to rehabilitate. That necessitated the closure of the Pine Street ramp to I-70E. Of course, this is all just speculation on my part.

Edit: Removed some meaningless ramblings.

looks like all of the BGS along 11th street are going away for good. replaced by span wire assembles. good idea.  :clap:

"North Split project 'on track' ... "

In a TV news report broadcast August 22nd, INDOT spokesperson affirms the project is "on track." Watch or read the story here. (https://www.wrtv.com/news/working-for-you/north-split-project-on-track-local-businesses-optimistic-about-completion)

Another batch of traffic cam photos:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52301752777_a9b59eb262_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
Sunday work. Lowering a long rebar cage into the forms for the middle bent of the bridge that will go across the railroads tracks and Ohio Street.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52301752332_54cfbddf93_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
Tons and tons of temporary barrier wall sections.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52302755088_4f46ead6ab_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
Straddle bent bridge on the South Leg. The Pine Street ramp to I-70E will go under this bridge.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52301751902_7995fcd1d3_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise camera
Another work day begins.

the newest drone footage really shows most of the progress on the south side. it's going to be close but maybe they can make it in time! they are starting to build the MSE walls for the 65 bridges at college now.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 24, 2022, 08:22:14 PM
the newest drone footage really shows most of the progress on the south side. it's going to be close but maybe they can make it in time! they are starting to build the MSE walls for the 65 bridges at college now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvY7avLW4oA

https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/indot-crews-are-working-toward-december-opening-of-the-north-split/

The completion and opening month (no date has been announced) of this project should be sometime in December 2022.

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 19, 2022, 11:13:34 PM
https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/indot-crews-are-working-toward-december-opening-of-the-north-split/

The completion and opening month (no date has been announced) of this project should be sometime in December 2022.

hopefully this happens.  :-D

That spokesperson seemed to be all over the place...

But I think this is the first "official" acknowledgment that the November opening date is not going to happen.

So we go from 18 months to 19 now. I really hope I'm wrong but I'm still waiting for the completion to be pushed to Spring 2023 with inflation mentioned as the cause.

This past Sunday I drove through the work zone and noticed no work being done. No wonder we're now pushing the completion date to December, we must make up for all those Sundays we're not going to work.

With the interstate shutdown through downtown I would have thought INDOT would have used common sense and not done any construction on 465. Wrong they did just that what a mess.

Quote from: dvferyance on September 25, 2022, 04:22:59 PM
With the interstate shutdown through downtown I would have thought INDOT would have used common sense and not done any construction on 465. Wrong they did just that what a mess.

It's not so bad, they only close lanes on 465 on the south side at night. during the rush hours it's all open.

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 25, 2022, 04:38:50 PM

Quote from: dvferyance on September 25, 2022, 04:22:59 PM
With the interstate shutdown through downtown I would have thought INDOT would have used common sense and not done any construction on 465. Wrong they did just that what a mess.

It's not so bad, they only close lanes on 465 on the south side at night. during the rush hours it's all open.

I encountered construction on the northside by I-69.

Quote from: dvferyance on September 26, 2022, 07:06:31 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 25, 2022, 04:38:50 PM

Quote from: dvferyance on September 25, 2022, 04:22:59 PM
With the interstate shutdown through downtown I would have thought INDOT would have used common sense and not done any construction on 465. Wrong they did just that what a mess.

It's not so bad, they only close lanes on 465 on the south side at night. during the rush hours it's all open.

I encountered construction on the northside by I-69.

yes, that is another badly needed project. it's only going to get worse though before it gets better.

So does anyone have any idea of the actual progress of this project. I know they're still working on it, I'm stuck in the traffic as a result of it every day and I've made some attempts to drive through part of it to see it, but what exactly still needs to be done?

I mean, I try to look up what's been going on but there isn't much in the way of photos or videos. Even their newsletters are not very helpful. The most recent one has one third dedicated to one specific detail of the current project (about Central Avenue being closed) another third highlighting one of their construction workers and one about a festival in downtown Indianapolis.

I got to get this off my chest, what's up with these people? Their Facebook page over the past few months has about half of their posts just about downtown events. This is a construction project, what about the construction? I absolutely love the I-69 Finish Line project on the other hand since they provide lots of updates about current progress and they actually tell you what that progress is. With this one I don't really have a clue on what's still to be worked on and we're only given a vague deadline of "end of the year" as to its completion.

I mean, I guess work is being done and I do see more work done on the weekends now but I just kind of wish I knew exactly what's remaining and wish they could communicate that better. Sorry if I seem to be ranting a bit this morning.

Quote from: tdindy88 on October 09, 2022, 10:08:15 AM
So does anyone have any idea of the actual progress of this project. I know they're still working on it, I'm stuck in the traffic as a result of it every day and I've made some attempts to drive through part of it to see it, but what exactly still needs to be done?

I mean, I try to look up what's been going on but there isn't much in the way of photos or videos. Even their newsletters are not very helpful. The most recent one has one third dedicated to one specific detail of the current project (about Central Avenue being closed) another third highlighting one of their construction workers and one about a festival in downtown Indianapolis.

I got to get this off my chest, what's up with these people? Their Facebook page over the past few months has about half of their posts just about downtown events. This is a construction project, what about the construction? I absolutely love the I-69 Finish Line project on the other hand since they provide lots of updates about current progress and they actually tell you what that progress is. With this one I don't really have a clue on what's still to be worked on and we're only given a vague deadline of "end of the year" as to its completion.

I mean, I guess work is being done and I do see more work done on the weekends now but I just kind of wish I knew exactly what's remaining and wish they could communicate that better. Sorry if I seem to be ranting a bit this morning.

https://511in.org/camera/520/@-86.16854,39.76393,13?show=incidents,normalCameras,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/319/177556

That's what's going on.

Quote from: tdindy88 on October 09, 2022, 10:08:15 AM
So does anyone have any idea of the actual progress of this project. I know they're still working on it, I'm stuck in the traffic as a result of it every day and I've made some attempts to drive through part of it to see it, but what exactly still needs to be done?

I mean, I try to look up what's been going on but there isn't much in the way of photos or videos. Even their newsletters are not very helpful. The most recent one has one third dedicated to one specific detail of the current project (about Central Avenue being closed) another third highlighting one of their construction workers and one about a festival in downtown Indianapolis.

I got to get this off my chest, what's up with these people? Their Facebook page over the past few months has about half of their posts just about downtown events. This is a construction project, what about the construction? I absolutely love the I-69 Finish Line project on the other hand since they provide lots of updates about current progress and they actually tell you what that progress is. With this one I don't really have a clue on what's still to be worked on and we're only given a vague deadline of "end of the year" as to its completion.

I mean, I guess work is being done and I do see more work done on the weekends now but I just kind of wish I knew exactly what's remaining and wish they could communicate that better. Sorry if I seem to be ranting a bit this morning.

Drone video is posted several times a week here:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwvrC4D8U9EF-KGlxGYFDog/videos   Not hard to see progress and changes between videos.

Okay, I didn't know about the drone videos there on Youtube. I knew about the traffic cameras, I guess I wasn't sure if this was on-schedule or not.

Quote from: tdindy88 on October 09, 2022, 12:44:04 PM
Okay, I didn't know about the drone videos there on Youtube. I knew about the traffic cameras, I guess I wasn't sure if this was on-schedule or not.

There is no way it's on schedule. I am patiently waiting for them to announce the opening date has been pushed back until Spring 2023. I can see maybe they open up 70 through traffic sometime this winter but not 65 through traffic.

it's looking really good now. all bridges appear to be under construction now finally.

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 12, 2022, 12:14:43 AM
it's looking really good now. all bridges appear to be under construction now finally.

Yes, things are moving right along. It looks like they're trying to get all the bridge beams up by the end of October, even for the bridges over Central Ave. as well as the C/D bridge over 10th Street. If that transpires – and there's a good chance it will – they'll be busy with deck pours in November. Almost every night now, paving, to one extent or another, is taking place somewhere in the work zone. Let's just see how it plays out over the next 10 weeks.

Quote from: tdindy88 on October 09, 2022, 12:44:04 PM
Okay, I didn't know about the drone videos there on Youtube. I knew about the traffic cameras, I guess I wasn't sure if this was on-schedule or not.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwvrC4D8U9EF-KGlxGYFDog

subscribe to this channel on youtube, 2 drone videos a week of the job!

just watched the latest video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1cUNMilC3U&list=WL&index=25

It looks a lot better now! but I still don't see how 65 opens this year. the 70 movements look like they are very close though. fingers crossed it opens in december completely!

New drone videos posted today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g41HyRnCJ9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwkb1j9dJQU

Also saw from the latest email update that all bridge beams are now in place.   

Looks like the control city for I-70 EB has been changed to Dayton based on those videos. Was totally expecting that.

So cool they caught a train going through...

The ramp from northbound 65 to Pennsylvania / Meridian is to close tonight until late November. 

Access to that ramp from westbound 70 is the be lost as part of the project.   As the only traffic on to Northbound 65 right now is from westbound 70 I'm curious as to what the access to the exit will be in late November.

This leaves two exits open in the immediate downtown for westbound traffic - take the ramp to the Michigan Street exit or take I-65 to the West Street exit. 

I will be curious to see if the West Street ramp backs up tomorrow morning.  I'm keeping continuing on 65 to 21st Street by Methodist hospital as an alternative exit to get downtown via Senate / Capitol.

Quote from: ysuindy on October 24, 2022, 03:27:41 PM
The ramp from northbound 65 to Pennsylvania / Meridian is to close tonight until late November. 

Access to that ramp from westbound 70 is the be lost as part of the project.   As the only traffic on to Northbound 65 right now is from westbound 70 I'm curious as to what the access to the exit will be in late November.

This leaves two exits open in the immediate downtown for westbound traffic - take the ramp to the Michigan Street exit or take I-65 to the West Street exit. 

I will be curious to see if the West Street ramp backs up tomorrow morning.  I'm keeping continuing on 65 to 21st Street by Methodist hospital as an alternative exit to get downtown via Senate / Capitol.

Closing that ramp really sucks but there isn't anything they can do to avoid it. looking at the drone footage it looks great for 70 movements, not even close for 65 movements. I am skeptical the 65 movements will open in december at this rate... we'll see!

WIBC traffic reporter saying the Pine Street on ramp opens October 31 and Ohio Street around same time

https://twitter.com/mattintraffic/status/1584854958670811136?s=46&t=3kaURrnI9sc9ymr_3mW7_g (https://twitter.com/mattintraffic/status/1584854958670811136?s=46&t=3kaURrnI9sc9ymr_3mW7_g)

 :hmmm: I see Pine opening, but Ohio? not so sure about that, the drone footage makes it look like it's not even close still.

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 25, 2022, 08:08:23 AM
:hmmm: I see Pine opening, but Ohio? not so sure about that, the drone footage makes it look like it's not even close still.

I listened to it again.  I wonder if he meant eastbound Ohio underneath 65/70 to get to Pine Street opening soon.   It looks like that might be close - but agree just don't see the exit ramp to Ohio looking close in that video.

More drone video just posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aH5jpZ2wok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apdDvvc8oNg

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 25, 2022, 08:08:23 AM
:hmmm: I see Pine opening, but Ohio? not so sure about that, the drone footage makes it look like it's not even close still.

Exactly! And I am looking at the drone footage released yesterday, 10/29/2022.

Headline from the Indy Star "North Split running behind due to labor, supply shortages".   Unable to see the details due to paywall.  No big surprise given what we've been seeing progress wise.

and more drone video posted today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=162Vo8sH1M0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dTjiHTDTI

Quote from: cjw2001 on November 02, 2022, 10:04:48 AM
Headline from the Indy Star "North Split running behind due to labor, supply shortages".   Unable to see the details due to paywall.  No big surprise given what we've been seeing progress wise.

and more drone video posted today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=162Vo8sH1M0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dTjiHTDTI

Doesn't surprise me. seems like all manner of construction, whether it be building or road is suffering from this. they are so close with the 70 movements not close with the 65 ones. That's just my opinion looking at the footage.

Quote from: cjw2001 on November 02, 2022, 10:04:48 AM
Headline from the Indy Star "North Split running behind due to labor, supply shortages".   Unable to see the details due to paywall.  No big surprise given what we've been seeing progress wise.

and more drone video posted today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=162Vo8sH1M0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dTjiHTDTI

To be honest, I don't expect this project to be done and opened by the end of this year... my best guess on when this project opens to through traffic will be sometime in the Spring or Summer 2023.

Like many other projects around the country, the North Split is probably feeling the effects of the widespread cement shortage, which is hampering the concrete industry. It's been going on for a couple of years, and although it appears to have hit a peak this spring, nettlesome supply issues continue to persist. Read about it  here (https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/concrete-sector-continues-to-see-project-delays-production-cut-backs/57997) and  here. (https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/labor-cement-shortage-industry-leader-economy)

From the recent videos, it appears most of the south leg will be paved by the end of November. Paving also is ready to commence on the westbound lanes of the east leg. Although I'm less confident than I was three months ago, I believe there's a chance all six major movements will be opened by the end of the year. To be sure, appearance wise, it seems a bit of a mess right now. But once they finish up with loose lift, the outline of the roadways in the split area should quickly take place. Moreover, those segments between the bridges in the split are relatively short, so they may be able to make quick progress there. Time, however, is beginning to run short, and a nasty streak of weather could really make things challenging.

Quote from: cjw2001 on November 02, 2022, 10:04:48 AM
Headline from the Indy Star "North Split running behind due to labor, supply shortages".   Unable to see the details due to paywall.  No big surprise given what we've been seeing progress wise.

and more drone video posted today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=162Vo8sH1M0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dTjiHTDTI

Update from WTHR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzYIN2TLxgE

Update from Fox 59
https://fox59.com/indiana-news/north-split-reopening-likely-delayed-until-early-2023/

I knew it. I'm happy they're having all hands on deck to finish this project but maybe they should have had that from the very beginning.

I get the supply stuff but I have to wonder, how is the I-69 Finish Line project moving so smoothly? There's been like very little problem in terms of labor or getting materials from what I've seen. Maybe the North Split project requires more of something. I'm just being a little bitter over all of this.

And now if the North Split is delayed does that push back the I-69 Finish Line work on I-465 until later as well since the southern part of the beltway is part of the detour. Does I-69 get pushed back to 2025 as a result?

INDOT just sent out an email that the Pine Street ramp to I 70 Eastbound will open by Saturday.

Quote from: tdindy88 on November 02, 2022, 09:04:31 PM
I knew it. I'm happy they're having all hands on deck to finish this project but maybe they should have had that from the very beginning.

I get the supply stuff but I have to wonder, how is the I-69 Finish Line project moving so smoothly? There's been like very little problem in terms of labor or getting materials from what I've seen. Maybe the North Split project requires more of something. I'm just being a little bitter over all of this.

And now if the North Split is delayed does that push back the I-69 Finish Line work on I-465 until later as well since the southern part of the beltway is part of the detour. Does I-69 get pushed back to 2025 as a result?

Well the 69 project is being done by a completely different contractor. maybe that has something to do with it. who knows. and by the way things appear, it looks like these other projects are waiting for north split to finish before they really heat up. hopefully this doesnt cause more delays. At least pine opens up again soon. having the penn ramp closed is causing issues for sb 65 approaching mlk, but that sadly may be permanent since 70 will no longer get access to penn in the final config.

I love these drone videos they do and so often too, they need to do this for all major INDOT jobs they're so cool!  :-D I'm always amazed when I see them!

Quote from: tdindy88 on November 02, 2022, 09:04:31 PM
I knew it. I'm happy they're having all hands on deck to finish this project but maybe they should have had that from the very beginning.

To be fair, it's very possible the prime contractor tried and was unable to acquire additional personnel. The labor shortage in the construction industry is real. Moreover, there are only so many skilled bridge and MSE workers in Indiana and surrounding states. And, probably every last one of them has been busy at work from the spring onward.

What is happening now, according to the news reports, is they're striving to bring in additional workers as other projects wrap up elsewhere.

The cement shortage is a serious issue. Just Google. Projects have been delayed and some cancelled. Earlier this when I stopped by I-69/Southport Road work zone for some picture taking, the bridge deck finisher was already in place. Normally, that means the concrete deck pour is soon to occur. But at Southport it was like two months later when the pour was undertaken. To be sure, that was a massive pour that required in-depth planning and scheduling, but still.

At the North Split, the contractor is expending tremendous sums to get this project done. Large numbers of heavy duty truck mounted cranes have been brought in and utilized. Those puppies ain't exactly cheap to rent. Also, a lot of the concrete pours have had to be undertaken using both mixers and pumper trucks. And that, too, is really expensive.

The project appears to be approaching its climax, where things begin to fall into place and the end can be visualized. Whether they will get all six major movements open by the end of the year, I don't know. May depend on the weather. It's almost certain the I-65/I-70 movements to and from I-70 will be completed this year. The key to the I-65 movements will be the shifting of I-70 west to its new alignment, so watch that. Another area to watch is the work underway on the long MSE wall extending north from the straddle bent bridge on the south leg. That needs to complete, pavement and all, in order for the I-65/I-70 north to I-65 movement to open.

Fair enough. I just hope they can at least get some of it completed by year's end. I didn't even know that the Southport bridge had been impacted by concrete shortages.

Wisconsin contractor, and YouTuber, who is experiencing the cement shortage first hand:

Pine St. ramp to 70E will open Saturday morning. the Ohio St. part that swings into it will open too according to the local news.

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
Pine St. ramp to 70E will open Saturday morning. the Ohio St. part the swings into it will open too according to the local news.

Anxiously awaiting the next drone pix to see what's keeping all of I-70E from being opened. Based on the 11/1 version, looks like just a bit of asphalt.

Quote from: davewiecking on November 04, 2022, 12:19:01 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
Pine St. ramp to 70E will open Saturday morning. the Ohio St. part the swings into it will open too according to the local news.

Anxiously awaiting the next drone pix to see what's keeping all of I-70E from being opened. Based on the 11/1 version, looks like just a bit of asphalt.

Just posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00jhQ7cenq4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4aPx3gxgxo

Quote from: cjw2001 on November 04, 2022, 10:00:36 PM

Quote from: davewiecking on November 04, 2022, 12:19:01 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
Pine St. ramp to 70E will open Saturday morning. the Ohio St. part the swings into it will open too according to the local news.

Anxiously awaiting the next drone pix to see what's keeping all of I-70E from being opened. Based on the 11/1 version, looks like just a bit of asphalt.

Just posted
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Thanks. Seems there's an MSE wall that will keep the interstates from falling onto Pine Rd to finish up also. The 2 traffic cams that might show it are offline.

Quote from: davewiecking on November 04, 2022, 10:31:06 PM

Quote from: cjw2001 on November 04, 2022, 10:00:36 PM

Quote from: davewiecking on November 04, 2022, 12:19:01 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
Pine St. ramp to 70E will open Saturday morning. the Ohio St. part the swings into it will open too according to the local news.

Anxiously awaiting the next drone pix to see what's keeping all of I-70E from being opened. Based on the 11/1 version, looks like just a bit of asphalt.

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Thanks. Seems there's an MSE wall that will keep the interstates from falling onto Pine Rd to finish up also. The 2 traffic cams that might show it are offline.

those in that area are not MSE walls. they are concrete walls, i think the proper term is "gravity wall" i drove by weeks ago and saw them pouring concrete for them. they look to be almost done too.

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 06, 2022, 10:30:24 AM

Quote from: davewiecking on November 04, 2022, 10:31:06 PM

Quote from: cjw2001 on November 04, 2022, 10:00:36 PM

Quote from: davewiecking on November 04, 2022, 12:19:01 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
Pine St. ramp to 70E will open Saturday morning. the Ohio St. part the swings into it will open too according to the local news.

Anxiously awaiting the next drone pix to see what's keeping all of I-70E from being opened. Based on the 11/1 version, looks like just a bit of asphalt.

Just posted
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Thanks. Seems there's an MSE wall that will keep the interstates from falling onto Pine Rd to finish up also. The 2 traffic cams that might show it are offline.

those in that area are not MSE walls. they are concrete walls, i think the proper term is "gravity wall" i drove by weeks ago and saw them pouring concrete for them. they look to be almost done too.

Now that I look closer, I do see forms and a pump truck. In an earlier video it looked sort of like a crane putting wall sections in place.

New video just released. Man things are looking good. 65 movements are looking much much further along now. 70's movements are even closer. If I were to bet, I would say 70 will open 1st next month and 65 will lag into early next year. opening 70 alone would immediately make 465 on the south side better.

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 08, 2022, 02:13:47 PM
New video just released. Man things are looking good. 65 movements are looking much much further along now. 70's movements are even closer. If I were to bet, I would say 70 will open 1st next month and 65 will lag into early next year. opening 70 alone would immediately make 465 on the south side better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXIYhrvxqLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zUvpqx0aHw

11/11/22 drone video. Backfilling of the retaining wall along Pine Rd underway.

https://youtu.be/nzikw7m1poo
https://youtu.be/6ik5wH8bkNU

Quote from: davewiecking on November 12, 2022, 02:50:35 PM
11/11/22 drone video. Backfilling of the retaining wall along Pine Rd underway.

https://youtu.be/nzikw7m1poo
https://youtu.be/6ik5wH8bkNU

Not to be overly picky, but it's Pine STREET, not Pine Road.

Quote from: SSR_317 on November 12, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
Not to be overly picky, but it's Pine STREET, not Pine Road.

Much appreciated.

BTW, snow over the weekend didn't help the timeline.

things are looking great now, i see they are finally pouring barrier wall in the washington st area. we are now into consistent terrible weather, getting nervous on the likelihood this even opens at all this year. I think it will be too cold to do any concrete work.

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 14, 2022, 07:57:33 AM
things are looking great now, i see they are finally pouring barrier wall in the washington st area. we are now into consistent terrible weather, getting nervous on the likelihood this even opens at all this year. I think it will be too cold to do any concrete work.

Placing concrete in cold weather can be done. It's just a bit more challenging. Here's a short rundown on concrete and cold weather.

The ideal air temperature for placing concrete is between 40 and 60°F. If temperatures are expected to fall below 40°F during the first 24 hours after placement, special measures must be taken to ensure proper curing. Concrete also can be placed when air temperatures are between 20 and 40°F, but it's more challenging and expensive, as even more measures are required. Placing concrete when the air temperature is below 20°F is usually not undertaken because hydration stops at such temperatures.

To achieve successful cold weather concrete placement, the necessary measures typically begin at the batch plant. First, very hot water is used in the mix to ensure the concrete stays warm until placement. Often the mixture components are tweaked as well, and an accelerate admixture is added. Type III Portland cement, used in high-early strength concrete, is often used in cold weather placements.

At the work site, after the concrete has been paved or poured, it is normally covered with insulted blankets or plastic sheeting. The key is making sure the concrete does not freeze in the first 24 hours after placement. Sometimes heated air is pumped under the blanket or plastic enclosure. Another method for temperature control is a hydronic system that employs a warm mixture of water and glycol that is circulated via pipes or hoses underneath the enclosure.

Also, if the ground or a base layer is frozen prior to the start of the concrete pour or pave, it's necessary to heat it up with construction heaters or electric blankets. Concrete cannot be placed on frozen ground.

Read more about placing concrete in cold weather here (https://www.wagnermeters.com/concrete-moisture-test/concrete-info/pouring-concrete-cold-weather/), here (https://www.concretenetwork.com/cold-weather-concrete/) and here. (http://civilwares.free.fr/ACI/MCP04/3061_90.pdf)

Here's a few recent screen shots of the project via INDOT Trafficwise camera:

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INDOT Trafficwise camera
Deck pour for the bridge that will carry the I-65/I-70 southbound lanes over Ohio Street and the railroad tracks.

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INDOT Trafficwise camera
After the pour, the concrete was covered with insulated blankets. The next day three portable machines (on the right) were brought in to either pump warm air underneath the blankets or to circulate a warm water/glycol mixture, or something similar, in hoses placed in and around the enclosure. The very next day it snowed. Hard to tell, but it looks to be about an inch accumulation, maybe a bit more.

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INDOT Trafficwise camera
On Thursday night, with temperatures dropping, a crew undertook paving a strip of mainline on the south leg between the bridges over Michigan Street and Vermont Street.

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INDOT Trafficwise camera
After the paving completed, the strip was covered with plastic sheeting.

Here's an earlier screen shot that may be of interest:
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INDOT Trafficwise camera
Not really sure what happened here, but prior to the opening of the Pine Street ramp, it appears a big rig trucker somehow got into the mainline work zone near St. Clair Street and got stuck or something. Two heavy duty rotator recovery trucks were dispatched to, er, resolve the situation.

As for the project and its progress, below average cold weather is forecast for the entire week, with rain and snow showers probable tomorrow and tomorrow night. Later in the week, very low overnight temps — mid- to high teens — are expected. This, of course, makes any concrete pours or paving very challenging. We might see a couple of approach slabs poured, or a barrier wall section or two, or, perhaps, a short mainline strip, but anything more would be a surprise. What will happen this week in the meantime is crews will be working hard, prepping for future concrete pours and paves for the remaining bridges and elsewhere. Also, it's likely MSE wall and abutment work will continue as usual. Once temperatures return to normal, likely next week, we'll probably see a flurry of paving activity. There should be enough moderate temperature days between now and the end of the year to complete the paving of the south leg.

Edit: added anotheer link
 

More drone video out today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOlPzLiDkyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE26tJRRIWM

With the winter weather setting in, I would be more concerned about the remaining earthwork on the I-65 NB Mainline (several areas), the ramp from WB I-70 to NB I-65, and the SB Collector/Distributor (Michigan St/Ohio St/Fletcher Ave) than the concrete pours. Kinda hard to move dirt when it's frozen solid! It seemed they were making very rapid progress on that earthwork two weeks ago, possibly rushing it in anticipation of the bad weather in the forecast. But this week, no suck luck. Understandably, I haven't seen any drone video posted since the 2.7" of snow fell.

Quote from: SSR_317 on November 19, 2022, 04:38:40 PM
With the winter weather setting in, I would be more concerned about the remaining earthwork on the I-65 NB Mainline (several areas), the ramp from WB I-70 to NB I-65, and the SB Collector/Distributor (Michigan St/Ohio St/Fletcher Ave) than the concrete pours. Kinda hard to move dirt when it's frozen solid! It seemed they were making very rapid progress on that earthwork two weeks ago, possibly rushing it in anticipation of the bad weather in the forecast. But this week, no suck luck. Understandably, I haven't seen any drone video posted since the 2.7" of snow fell.

that's a good point. hopefully they make some progress Mon-wed. gonna be over 45 each day.

Fresh video just posted from 18 November 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0eX9uLD5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKwzlZp8Iy8

well this project is now officially behind schedule. it was originally promised to be fully open now. driving around downtown is impossible during rush hour.  :banghead:

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 28, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
well this project is now officially behind schedule. it was originally promised to be fully open now. driving around downtown is impossible during rush hour.  :banghead:

I'll be down there for the Big 10 football championship game (Purdue vs. Michigan) this weekend, and traffic in downtown Indy will be worse with the extra gameday traffic!

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 28, 2022, 09:50:53 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 28, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
well this project is now officially behind schedule. it was originally promised to be fully open now. driving around downtown is impossible during rush hour.  :banghead:

I'll be down there for the Big 10 football championship game (Purdue vs. Michigan) this weekend, and traffic in downtown Indy will be worse with the extra gameday traffic!

go boilers!  :clap:

New drone video posted today.   Still a long way to go....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNhM68SCkcY

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 29, 2022, 08:00:51 AM

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 28, 2022, 09:50:53 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 28, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
well this project is now officially behind schedule. it was originally promised to be fully open now. driving around downtown is impossible during rush hour.  :banghead:

I'll be down there for the Big 10 football championship game (Purdue vs. Michigan) this weekend, and traffic in downtown Indy will be worse with the extra gameday traffic!

go boilers!  :clap:

I blame BOTH Indiana B1G schools for Purdue representing the West instead of Illinois.

That said, Boiler Up! No one wants Michigan to win

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 29, 2022, 08:45:14 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 29, 2022, 08:00:51 AM

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 28, 2022, 09:50:53 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 28, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
well this project is now officially behind schedule. it was originally promised to be fully open now. driving around downtown is impossible during rush hour.  :banghead:

I'll be down there for the Big 10 football championship game (Purdue vs. Michigan) this weekend, and traffic in downtown Indy will be worse with the extra gameday traffic!

go boilers!  :clap:

I blame BOTH Indiana B1G schools for Purdue representing the West instead of Illinois.

That said, Boiler Up! No one wants Michigan to win

...and Hammer Down!

Quote from: cjw2001 on November 29, 2022, 08:02:55 PM
New drone video posted today.   Still a long way to go....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNhM68SCkcY

After watching this it appears that all they need to do now is pave and pour barrier wall and they can open 70. 65 not even close maybe next may?

INDOT plans on announcing the updated schedule for this job tomorrow. Expect a lot more local streets to be repaired next year after this is finally done. Saw in the news that some of the main roads in downtown will be fixed as many of them have been severely damaged by detour traffic.

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 01, 2022, 09:16:26 PM
INDOT plans on announcing the updated schedule for this job tomorrow. Expect a lot more local streets to be repaired next year after this is finally done. Saw in the news that some of the main roads in downtown will be fixed as many of them have been severely damaged by detour traffic.

https://www.wrtv.com/news/wrtv-investigates/they-dont-fit-city-streets-damaged-by-detouring-north-split-construction-traffic

Here's the news article on that exact topic.

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 01, 2022, 11:28:34 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 01, 2022, 09:16:26 PM
INDOT plans on announcing the updated schedule for this job tomorrow. Expect a lot more local streets to be repaired next year after this is finally done. Saw in the news that some of the main roads in downtown will be fixed as many of them have been severely damaged by detour traffic.

https://www.wrtv.com/news/wrtv-investigates/they-dont-fit-city-streets-damaged-by-detouring-north-split-construction-traffic

Here's the news article on that exact topic.

yep that's the one. INDOT has a lot more work to do  :-D this has been the most disruptive project in indy since they originally built it!  :-D

INDOT now says 65 will open in April 2023. 70 will open in Jan 2023. it will be done in pieces along the way with the entire thing "done" by April 2023. Info from WTHR

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 02, 2022, 12:49:28 PM
INDOT now says 65 will open in April 2023. 70 will open in Jan 2023. it will be done in pieces along the way with the entire thing "done" by April 2023. Info from WTHR

Here is the updated schedule on the INDOT site: https://northsplit.com/schedule

Is the North Split another project that Walsh should have done?

SM-G996U

Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 11, 2022, 01:44:17 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2022, 11:13:49 PM

Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 09, 2022, 11:09:17 AM
Thanks for posting the video link. All I can think now is how on earth are they going to finish this before Christmas?

thanksgiving*

I don't think it will be finished by Thanksgiving, and I think Christmas is optimistic at this point.

Turns out Christmas was way too optimistic.

I will die on this hill but this project should have been fast-tracked and aggressively done from the beginning. All those missing nights and weekends do add up eventually. They should have been kicking this project's ass from early 2021, hell I think even starting after the New Year would have been better, get all the demolishing done before Memorial Day to start full reconstruction by that point. Looking back at this thread I saw very little in the way of updates for most of last year. There should have been "something" to show by this time last year. 18 months and now we have one new long bridge and a on-ramp or two to show for it (for what drivers can currently use,) and that's it. I can buy supply chain problems as having some impact, maybe even the staffing, but there wasn't any serious drive to be aggressive with this project from the beginning. And now we're at Christmas and the project's still not finished.

Here's the latest drone video, December 2, 2022:



Still considerable paving work to do on the South Leg, but it seems likely they'll be able to complete what's necessary to open the I-70 movements by early/mid January. As for the project in general, yes, the schedule has slipped. But, to be fair, the slippage doesn't appear to be all that much, perhaps six weeks or so. Considering the workforce staffing challenges, plus the supply chain shortages, particularly cement, and steel (rebar) — yup, that's been mentioned as well — we are where we are: almost complete, but not quite there, with winter on the doorstep.

From the revised schedule, referenced above, it appears the contractor is projecting needing about 25-30 full work days in order to open the I-70 movements, and about 50-60 work days to complete the I-65 movements. (Please bear in mind, they are just guesstimates on my part, and I'm not associated with the project in any way.) To be sure, however, the project is really nearing completion. The East Leg is now almost completely paved. Asphalt base material has been put down for substantial sections of the West Leg, the last step before placing rebar and paving with concrete. Earthwork is on the verge of wrapping up, too. Caps are being placed on the long MSE wall for the section that will take I-70W to I-65N through the split. That means sub-base material will soon be put down there. From what I see on the videos, the only area where more earthwork (loose lift) is needed is the small segment between the I-70 bridge (mentioned above) and the corresponding bridge over College Avenue. Also, there's a small area west of College Avenue where work on underground drainage infrastructure continues, but that seems to be approaching completion. And, in case you're wondering, some might count approach slab work as earthwork, but I'm not.

*Oh, forgot about the exit ramp to Ohio Street where a gravity retaining wall is under construction. That will involve backfill. Schedule now is to complete that ramp in the spring. Also, there's a small segment of the C/D ramp from I-65 South, between College Avenue and 10th Street. Still rather rough there.

Could this project have been better managed? Hard to say. The prime contractor  (https://www.superiorconstruction.com/)is well regarded, and has undertaken many projects of similar size and complexity. To one extent or another, most large road and bridge projects involve change orders. Were some issued for this project? Very likely. For example, as some of you may recall, the Pine Street ramp to I-70E was initially planned to remain open throughout the project. But that's didn't happen. Why? We don't know, but, obviously, some sort of change order was put forth. And probably there were other change orders as well. Change orders generally equate to added complexity, more time to execute, and extra cost.

Frustration. Yes, I sense it. It's palatable. It's been mentioned this project has been terribly disruptive to downtown Indianapolis and nearby areas. I believe it. The amount of traffic using the Pine Street ramp after the reopening has been considerable. Watching the project progress via the drone videos, I was generally optimistic all movements would be open by the end of the year. As we moved into late September, I was expecting a flurry of activity with regular night work getting underway. That didn't happen, however. As a result, my optimism slowly dwindled as it became apparent the schedule was slipping. To be fair, it could be they just had problems sourcing the extra crews. Should the project have commenced earlier in the year? Padded the schedule a bit? Perhaps. But no matter what schedule is drawn up, it's how its executed. Also, it's to expected that the unexpected will crop up. For instance, the cement shortage, which is real, and continuing — take a look here (https://uhy-us.com/insights/2022/november/plan-ahead-to-mitigate-impact-of-nationwide-concrete-shortage) and  here. (https://www.constructiondive.com/news/supply-chain-construction-building-materials-price-2023/636442/) Even the low water level of the Mississippi River is, apparently, one of the factors constraining cement supply.

To compare progress since last year, here's the drone video of December 8, 2021:



They've accomplished quite a bit in one year. As I noted above, they're close to completing this project. Getting the I-70 movements open by mid-January isn't a slam dunk, however. They should be able to do it, but a streak of nasty, cold weather may make things much more challenging. Although work continues on the I-65 sections, the focus now, of course, is on completing the I-70 movements. Looks like they've been making quick progress on the bridge that will carry the I-70 C/D ramp over 10th Street. Still a lot to do before the I-70 movements can be opened, including hundreds of feet of barrier wall, several approach slabs, plus several strips of mainline paving on the South Leg. There might be some nail biting as we move into late December/early January.

*Edits

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 29, 2022, 08:45:14 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 29, 2022, 08:00:51 AM

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 28, 2022, 09:50:53 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on November 28, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
well this project is now officially behind schedule. it was originally promised to be fully open now. driving around downtown is impossible during rush hour.  :banghead:

I'll be down there for the Big 10 football championship game (Purdue vs. Michigan) this weekend, and traffic in downtown Indy will be worse with the extra gameday traffic!

go boilers!  :clap:

I blame BOTH Indiana B1G schools for Purdue representing the West instead of Illinois.

That said, Boiler Up! No one wants Michigan to win

Puck Furdue! Go Wolverines! (from a loyal IU alumni)

Quote from: ibthebigd on December 02, 2022, 06:18:58 PM
Is the North Split another project that Walsh should have done?

SM-G996U

at this rate yes  :-D :-D

getting 70 open should immediately make things better for 465 on the south side.

looking at the drone footage released today, 70 being open in january looks totally likely. it appears all that is needed is pavement and barrier wall. that shouldn't take too long if the weather is good. 65 still not close, april looks totally likely there too. i'm optimistic  :-D

This past Tuesday's videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb50p8KXAeM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq26nadrQpw

Hard to tell with the bit of snow cover exactly what's left along the I-70 portion.

things look so close! it looks like a lot of barrier wall and mainline paving is left. with these high temps they should be able to do it. all the old bridges are gone now except i think 2 over college.

latest video is out. i think the January estimate is accurate at this rate for 70 being opened. once 70 is open 65 will really heat up. ohio st ramp isn't even close but perhaps they will open fletcher when 70 opens.

https://twitter.com/northsplit/status/1612306614383427584

Looks like the northbound lanes to I-70E are being prepped for opening ... might happen this weekend or early next week. Still some to do on the southbound lanes, as well as on the C/D ramp south of 10th Street.

Here's the latest drone videos (January 10, 2023):





Interestingly, north of the straddle bent bridge, a crew was captured in the video putting down the asphalt base layer. That means an asphalt batching plant was fired up. Since the use of concrete is now basically a year-round operation, a good number of batch plants are not shutting down as they once did. But the same can't be said for asphalt batch facilities, which almost always close up during the cold weather months, at least in the snowy northern regions.

Temperatures in the Indianapolis area are forecast to be average and significantly above average during the next 10 days. Right now we're cutting through the heart of winter. In a little over two weeks, average temps will begin to slowly tick up. March is only 47 days away. If we subtract the next 10 days of average/above average temps, that leaves only 37 days. Unless another significant cold snap hits, it's unlikely the ground will freeze now. Of course, that can always happen, but the window is beginning to narrow, with just a few weeks left to do so.

Since the project is so close to substantial completion, it's possible work will continue through the remaining weeks of winter. And why not? If the weather cooperates, they might be able to wrap things up by the end of March or early April. Moreover, it makes little sense now to shut down the concrete batch plant, plus an asphalt facility was just fired up. Could it be the plan is to work until a weather event makes it all but impossible to continue? We'll see.

by the looks of it I say 70E opens 1st and 70W opens a bit later. there appears to be a lot of stuff to complete to open 70W so just a guess but probably will see 1 direction open then the other a bit later. either way 465 on the south side will be immediately better once 70 is fully open!

Quote from: ITB on January 12, 2023, 06:30:19 PM

Looks like the northbound lanes to I-70E are being prepped for opening ... might happen this weekend or early next week. Still some to do on the southbound lanes, as well as on the C/D ramp south of 10th Street.

Here's the latest drone videos (January 10, 2023):

Interestingly, north of the straddle bent bridge, a crew was captured in the video putting down the asphalt base layer. That means an asphalt batching plant was fired up. Since the use of concrete is now basically a year-round operation, a good number of batch plants are not shutting down as they once did. But the same can't be said for asphalt batch facilities, which almost always close up during the cold weather months, at least in the snowy northern regions.

Temperatures in the Indianapolis area are forecast to be average and significantly above average during the next 10 days. Right now we're cutting through the heart of winter. In a little over two weeks, average temps will begin to slowly tick up. March is only 47 days away. If we subtract the next 10 days of average/above average temps, that leaves only 37 days. Unless another significant cold snap hits, it's unlikely the ground will freeze now. Of course, that can always happen, but the window is beginning to narrow, with just a few weeks left to do so.

Since the project is so close to substantial completion, it's possible work will continue through the remaining weeks of winter. And why not? If the weather cooperates, they might be able to wrap things up by the end of March or early April. Moreover, it makes little sense now to shut down the concrete batch plant, plus an asphalt facility was just fired up. Could it be the plan is to work until a weather event makes it all but impossible to continue? We'll see.

Email blast just received says I 70 eastbound opening this weekend.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 13, 2023

MARION COUNTY — The Indiana Department of Transportation will reopen I-70 eastbound through the North Split interchange this weekend. 

Weather permitting, movements are expected to be open by the end of this weekend. During the opening process, there will be multiple short-term lane restrictions as crews move barrels to open the lanes. 

Starting on Friday at 9 p.m., access to Washington Street from I-65 NB will close to allow crews to put down new pavement markings. Motorists will need to continue on I-70 WB until Saturday morning, weather permitting.

With the new movements, motorists will be able to travel on I-70 EB from the west, through the North Split interchange and continue onto I-70 EB to the east. I-70 WB through the North Split will reopen to motorists, weather permitting, by the end of January. 

I-65 NB traffic traveling through Indianapolis will continue using the detour along I-465 until the I-65 movements are completely open in late spring of 2023.

wonderful news! and my guess was right!  :-D I watch all the drone videos they post so it was a pretty good educated guess  :-D

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 13, 2023, 10:38:35 AM
wonderful news! and my guess was right!  :-D I watch all the drone videos they post so it was a pretty good educated guess  :-D

https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/I-70-EB-Through-Movement-Opening-v4.mp4?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

I-70 EB is OPEN! Woohoo!

Just drove through here and was rather impressed with the layout. This will be looking really good once it is finally completed. I'm still pissed off with how they managed this project but that's all water under the bridge at this point.

Anyway, I did notice that I-70 is now signed completely for Dayton from the South Split onwards. There were a couple of newish looking signs with Columbus OH on them before but they are now gone. With that there's only a mention of Columbus OH on I-65 approaching the North Split. And with the upcoming I-65 Efficiency and Safety project (God I hate that name) then those signs, along with most of the remaining button-copy signs in the city, are all likely to be changed. The conversion to Dayton as a control city for I-70 is now almost complete.

I did have a curious question regarding the southbound portion of highway between the two splits. I don't think it's been mentioned here before but I was looking at aerial imagery and I guess it's always been three lanes heading south and four lanes heading north between the splits. If I recall I-70 went down to one lane past the North Split and only gained a second lane past the Fletcher Avenue on-ramp. I'm guessing the C/D complicates things but I would think that the rebuild could be a good opportunity to make it four lanes southbound with 65 and 70 both having two lanes each to complement the northbound portion. My looking at the aerial shots of this project seem to keep the arrangement as it was before this project began. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone knew the reason for this and whether it could be ever addressed. Again, I suspect the C/D ramps are a major reason behind this.

Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on January 14, 2023, 07:31:39 PM
I-70 EB is OPEN! Woohoo!

First drone video after eastbound open just posted....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1CIlJzHD_0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Oz_BPGM-o

Google Maps has yet to remap the new new interchange design and then mark EB I-70 as Open

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 15, 2023, 10:26:32 AM
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I did have a curious question regarding the southbound portion of highway between the two splits. I don't think it's been mentioned here before but I was looking at aerial imagery and I guess it's always been three lanes heading south and four lanes heading north between the splits. If I recall I-70 went down to one lane past the North Split and only gained a second lane past the Fletcher Avenue on-ramp. I'm guessing the C/D complicates things but I would think that the rebuild could be a good opportunity to make it four lanes southbound with 65 and 70 both having two lanes each to complement the northbound portion. My looking at the aerial shots of this project seem to keep the arrangement as it was before this project began. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone knew the reason for this and whether it could be ever addressed. Again, I suspect the C/D ramps are a major reason behind this.

I imagine the desire to not rebuild the train bridges (and the Fletcher Ave one) played a part in the decision. As you note, the CD lanes do carry some of the traffic.

Quote from: davewiecking on January 16, 2023, 09:39:28 AM

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 15, 2023, 10:26:32 AM
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I did have a curious question regarding the southbound portion of highway between the two splits. I don't think it's been mentioned here before but I was looking at aerial imagery and I guess it's always been three lanes heading south and four lanes heading north between the splits. If I recall I-70 went down to one lane past the North Split and only gained a second lane past the Fletcher Avenue on-ramp. I'm guessing the C/D complicates things but I would think that the rebuild could be a good opportunity to make it four lanes southbound with 65 and 70 both having two lanes each to complement the northbound portion. My looking at the aerial shots of this project seem to keep the arrangement as it was before this project began. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone knew the reason for this and whether it could be ever addressed. Again, I suspect the C/D ramps are a major reason behind this.

I imagine the desire to not rebuild the train bridges (and the Fletcher Ave one) played a part in the decision. As you note, the CD lanes do carry some of the traffic.

I concur. They probably looked at it briefly, and saw $$$ flashing in their eyes, and decided it wasn't worth it.

I think they even mentioned that the C/D lane is a secret 4th lane for thru traffic back when they originally announced this job. 70w will open this weekend if indot's original promise of "late jan" is still on schedule. as that is the last weekend of jan!  :-D

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 17, 2023, 08:12:13 AM
I think they even mentioned that the C/D lane is a secret 4th lane for thru traffic back when they originally announced this job. 70w will open this weekend if indot's original promise of "late jan" is still on schedule. as that is the last weekend of jan!  :-D

This coming weekend, January 21-22 is not the last weekend of the month, there will be one more at January 28-29.

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:36 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 17, 2023, 08:12:13 AM
I think they even mentioned that the C/D lane is a secret 4th lane for thru traffic back when they originally announced this job. 70w will open this weekend if indot's original promise of "late jan" is still on schedule. as that is the last weekend of jan!  :-D

This coming weekend, January 21-22 is not the last weekend of the month, there will be one more at January 28-29.

darn you're right  :-D

70 Westbound opening this weekend

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/i-70-westbound-through-downtown-indianapolis-reopens-this-weekend/

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on January 20, 2023, 01:30:00 PM
70 Westbound opening this weekend

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/i-70-westbound-through-downtown-indianapolis-reopens-this-weekend/

This will be a much welcome opening.  Westbound 70 for the past two weeks has been a mess during most of the morning rush hours. 

Traffic exiting to West Street / MLK has been backed up through the north split most days and nearly to Keystone / Rural a few days. 

This will open up a few more access points to downtown. 

Quote from: ysuindy on January 20, 2023, 03:42:16 PM

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on January 20, 2023, 01:30:00 PM
70 Westbound opening this weekend

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/i-70-westbound-through-downtown-indianapolis-reopens-this-weekend/

This will be a much welcome opening.  Westbound 70 for the past two weeks has been a mess during most of the morning rush hours. 

Traffic exiting to West Street / MLK has been backed up through the north split most days and nearly to Keystone / Rural a few days. 

This will open up a few more access points to downtown.

Yes, that traffic backup has been nasty. Unfortunately, the opening of I-70 westbound through the split probably won't change all that much. No new exits are being opened. The exit to Michigan Street will be as it was, except traffic will be shifted to its permanent ramp alignment. The only change forthcoming is westbound I-70 traffic will be able to pass through Indy via the split, thus avoiding I-465.

Quote from: ITB on January 21, 2023, 09:25:22 AM

Quote from: ysuindy on January 20, 2023, 03:42:16 PM

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on January 20, 2023, 01:30:00 PM
70 Westbound opening this weekend

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/i-70-westbound-through-downtown-indianapolis-reopens-this-weekend/

This will be a much welcome opening.  Westbound 70 for the past two weeks has been a mess during most of the morning rush hours. 

Traffic exiting to West Street / MLK has been backed up through the north split most days and nearly to Keystone / Rural a few days. 

This will open up a few more access points to downtown.

Yes, that traffic backup has been nasty. Unfortunately, the opening of I-70 westbound through the split probably won't change all that much. No new exits are being opened. The exit to Michigan Street will be as it was, except traffic will be shifted to its permanent ramp alignment. The only change forthcoming is westbound I-70 traffic will be able to pass through Indy via the split, thus avoiding I-465.

Tough to tell the impact this morning with an accident in the lanes going from 70 to 65.

While no closed exits have opened yet, the opening of 70 westbound does give drivers access to three exits that can access downtown:

East Street is accessible for everyone working at Lilly.  I imagine at least some people have been exiting at Michigan and winding down to Lilly.  Hopefully that takes them off the Michigan ramp.

The Meridian / McCarty and Missouri / West exits are now available for those that work near the south end of the CBD.  I park between Washington and Maryland.  Today I went around to the Missouri exit and came up past the stadiums to access my garage off Maryland.  This was the route I took for more the last 20 years or so pre-Construction.  It was much less hectic than taking 65 to MLK and working down that way.

The opening is a welcome change.

i think this will immediately make 465/74 on the south side better and downtown traffic in general better too. i am assuming the rest of the c/d exits will open in april with 65.

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 23, 2023, 09:15:51 AM
i think this will immediately make 465/74 on the south side better and downtown traffic in general better too. i am assuming the rest of the c/d exits will open in april with 65.

I took a quick glance to my right as I drove westbound this morning and it seems like the C/D between Michigan and Ohio has a lot of work left.  I would anticipate opening with 65 is correct.

Quote from: ysuindy on January 23, 2023, 09:13:55 AM

Quote from: ITB on January 21, 2023, 09:25:22 AM

Quote from: ysuindy on January 20, 2023, 03:42:16 PM

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on January 20, 2023, 01:30:00 PM
70 Westbound opening this weekend

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/i-70-westbound-through-downtown-indianapolis-reopens-this-weekend/

This will be a much welcome opening.  Westbound 70 for the past two weeks has been a mess during most of the morning rush hours. 

Traffic exiting to West Street / MLK has been backed up through the north split most days and nearly to Keystone / Rural a few days. 

This will open up a few more access points to downtown.

Yes, that traffic backup has been nasty. Unfortunately, the opening of I-70 westbound through the split probably won't change all that much. No new exits are being opened. The exit to Michigan Street will be as it was, except traffic will be shifted to its permanent ramp alignment. The only change forthcoming is westbound I-70 traffic will be able to pass through Indy via the split, thus avoiding I-465.

Tough to tell the impact this morning with an accident in the lanes going from 70 to 65.

While no closed exits have opened yet, the opening of 70 westbound does give drivers access to three exits that can access downtown:

East Street is accessible for everyone working at Lilly.  I imagine at least some people have been exiting at Michigan and winding down to Lilly.  Hopefully that takes them off the Michigan ramp.

The Meridian / McCarty and Missouri / West exits are now available for those that work near the south end of the CBD.  I park between Washington and Maryland.  Today I went around to the Missouri exit and came up past the stadiums to access my garage off Maryland.  This was the route I took for more the last 20 years or so pre-Construction.  It was much less hectic than taking 65 to MLK and working down that way.

The opening is a welcome change.

Good points. Glad the opening has made your commute easier. And those accidents on I-70W, oh my, what headaches they cause with the lengthy backups. Hopefully, the opening will bring about a reduction of incidents.

New drone video just posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHCBuJPQPUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6DFMXdEGI

Drone videos posted Sunday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kusbfUwtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMdTu5qdeBY

If I had to guess, I'd say the next to open would be WB I-70 to NB I-65 on the final path, removing the wrong way traffic from the flyover ramp.

Quote from: davewiecking on February 21, 2023, 09:55:38 AM
Drone videos posted Sunday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kusbfUwtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMdTu5qdeBY

If I had to guess, I'd say the next to open would be WB I-70 to NB I-65 on the final path, removing the wrong way traffic from the flyover ramp.

I agree, getting that movement open will open up the mainline tie-ins to be worked on. i notice that the C/D from 65s hasn't even been started yet. i don't see that opening until late summer at this rate, they are focused on the main movements for now.

Quote from: silverback1065 on February 21, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
I agree, getting that movement open will open up the mainline tie-ins to be worked on. i notice that the C/D from 65s hasn't even been started yet. i don't see that opening until late summer at this rate, they are focused on the main movements for now.

For the past couple of months, the contractor has been utilizing mixers to supply the concrete for paving. This has slowed things down considerably. I imagine the mixers are being used to better maintain the concrete temperature and consistency, especially with the special admixtures added for cold weather paving. Plus, there are only so many mixers available. As the weather warms, we'll once again see dump trucks delivering concrete, and that should speed things up. The C/D from I-65S is being graded. It's a short section, so they should be able to knock it out in the next month or so. Being optimistic, I tend to think most heavy construction will be wrapping up by the end of April.

Looks like the Calvary street ramp to eastbound I 70 reopened today. 

https://www.wthr.com/article/traffic/traffic-news/i-70-calvary-street-ramp-reopening/531-c6ecf877-c959-45d0-ba2a-96a4916a167d

Quote from: ITB on February 22, 2023, 10:15:52 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on February 21, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
I agree, getting that movement open will open up the mainline tie-ins to be worked on. i notice that the C/D from 65s hasn't even been started yet. i don't see that opening until late summer at this rate, they are focused on the main movements for now.

For the past couple of months, the contractor has been utilizing mixers to supply the concrete for paving. This has slowed things down considerably. I imagine the mixers are being used to better maintain the concrete temperature and consistency, especially with the special admixtures added for cold weather paving. Plus, there are only so many mixers available. As the weather warms, we'll once again see dump trucks delivering concrete, and that should speed things up. The C/D from I-65S is being graded. It's a short section, so they should be able to knock it out in the next month or so. Being optimistic, I tend to think most heavy construction will be wrapping up by the end of April.

Just out of curiosity, do these mixers have an effect on the pavement once it's cured? Do they affect its longevity or durability and so on?

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on March 03, 2023, 02:55:38 PM
Just out of curiosity, do these mixers have an effect on the pavement once it's cured? Do they affect its longevity or durability and so on?

If done properly (and we assume the contractor has plenty of experience with using admixtures in concrete), no. The pour is covered with insulating blankets, and the curing time is slightly longer, but the end result is concrete of equal strength and durability.

Calvary Street ramp to 65/70 is open now. Indy is doing a study on capping the south split. that would be a really cool idea to come to fruition, a lot of cities around the country are starting to do this, allows for the interstate to stay and connectivity can return, a win for both sides.  :clap:

Quote from: silverback1065 on March 07, 2023, 04:14:12 PM
Calvary Street ramp to 65/70 is open now. Indy is doing a study on capping the south split. that would be a really cool idea to come to fruition, a lot of cities around the country are starting to do this, allows for the interstate to stay and connectivity can return, a win for both sides.  :clap:

More info: https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/articles/feds-provide-2m-to-study-reconnecting-indy-neighborhoods-fragmented-by-inner-loop

Latest drone videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFJeeJbV-p4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRGkJScFci4

According to the I-69 project newsletter (yes, really) the new I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound connection in the North Split will open this Thursday night weather permitting.  This will take the westbound traffic off the current temporarily path on the flyover bridge.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3513936

Quote from: cjw2001 on March 27, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
According to the I-69 project newsletter (yes, really) the new I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound connection in the North Split will open this Thursday night weather permitting.  This will take the westbound traffic off the current temporarily path on the flyover bridge.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3513936

Does this mean that I should be able to clinch I-65 through Indianapolis once this is done?

Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 27, 2023, 02:03:31 PM

Quote from: cjw2001 on March 27, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
According to the I-69 project newsletter (yes, really) the new I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound connection in the North Split will open this Thursday night weather permitting.  This will take the westbound traffic off the current temporarily path on the flyover bridge.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3513936

Does this mean that I should be able to clinch I-65 through Indianapolis once this is done?

no, not until May. 65 mainline movements won't open until April according to INDOT and by April i expect that to mean 4/30/23  :-D

Quote from: silverback1065 on March 27, 2023, 02:05:21 PM

Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 27, 2023, 02:03:31 PM

Quote from: cjw2001 on March 27, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
According to the I-69 project newsletter (yes, really) the new I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound connection in the North Split will open this Thursday night weather permitting.  This will take the westbound traffic off the current temporarily path on the flyover bridge.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3513936

Does this mean that I should be able to clinch I-65 through Indianapolis once this is done?

no, not until May. 65 mainline movements won't open until April according to INDOT and by April i expect that to mean 4/30/23  :-D

The full mainline I agree with, but I am thinking that I can just consider the North Split itself as 1PPI and clinch I-65 and I-70 fully otherwise.

Quote from: cjw2001 on March 27, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
According to the I-69 project newsletter (yes, really) the new I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound connection in the North Split will open this Thursday night weather permitting.  This will take the westbound traffic off the current temporarily path on the flyover bridge.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3513936

Updated drone video just posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYyMcETa_bI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnG55znnOsY

One thing I noticed in the drone videos, is a sign showing how to get onto 65 South after taking the 70 Westbound to Meridan St / Pennsylvania St exit.

(https://i.imgur.com/CSJE9jc.jpg)

Why would they need a sign directing people to 65 South from this exit? I can't think of any reason.

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on March 27, 2023, 07:29:57 PM
One thing I noticed in the drone videos, is a sign showing how to get onto 65 South after taking the 70 Westbound to Meridan St / Pennsylvania St exit.

(https://i.imgur.com/CSJE9jc.jpg)

Why would they need a sign directing people to 65 South from this exit? I can't think of any reason.

Actually there will be no access from I 70 Westbound to that exit.   So the only traffic that can use that would be I 65 Northbound traffic.  (In the video you can see the barrier wall under construction that will prevent traffic on the I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound ramp from using that exit.)

Bah, I knew that. I don't know why I messed that up. But that only makes that sign's reason for existing even more confusing.

Maybe they want people coming from northbound I-65 to know how to get back to southbound I-65. Just grasping at straws here.

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on March 27, 2023, 11:16:33 PM
Bah, I knew that. I don't know why I messed that up. But that only makes that sign's reason for existing even more confusing.

It's for people wanting to do a u-turn, i.e. immediately get back on 65 from Delaware, which is no longer possible. hence the sign. gotta take penn all the way down to washington

Quote from: cjw2001 on March 27, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
According to the I-69 project newsletter (yes, really) the new I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound connection in the North Split will open this Thursday night weather permitting.  This will take the westbound traffic off the current temporarily path on the flyover bridge.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3513936

The North Split project finally got around to announcing this - cutover work will begin at 9 pm tonight. 

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/351e8d4

Quote from: cjw2001 on March 30, 2023, 09:17:25 AM

Quote from: cjw2001 on March 27, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
According to the I-69 project newsletter (yes, really) the new I 70 Westbound to I 65 Northbound connection in the North Split will open this Thursday night weather permitting.  This will take the westbound traffic off the current temporarily path on the flyover bridge.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3513936

The North Split project finally got around to announcing this - cutover work will begin at 9 pm tonight. 

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/351e8d4

Link to keep an eye on the progress:
https://511in.org/camera/3902/@-86.14359,39.78265,15?show=incidents,normalCameras,trafficSpeeds#camera/4204/1397188768

The Delaware/11th Street ramp to I 70 Eastbound is scheduled to temporarily close tomorrow for 10 days:

QuoteThe Indiana Department of Transportation will close the Delaware/11th Street on-ramp to I-70 EB starting on or after Tuesday, April 18 through Friday, April 28, weather permitting.

During this closure North Split crews will build permanent barrier wall to allow safe merging onto I-70 EB. Once the ramp reopens, two lanes will be open from I-65 SB to I-70 EB and the ramp lane will merge onto I-70 EB.

As a reminder, under the permanent North Split interchange configuration, there will no longer be access to I-65 SB via the Delaware/11th Street ramp.

Quote from: cjw2001 on April 17, 2023, 06:46:22 PM
The Delaware/11th Street ramp to I 70 Eastbound is scheduled to temporarily close tomorrow for 10 days:

QuoteThe Indiana Department of Transportation will close the Delaware/11th Street on-ramp to I-70 EB starting on or after Tuesday, April 18 through Friday, April 28, weather permitting.

During this closure North Split crews will build permanent barrier wall to allow safe merging onto I-70 EB. Once the ramp reopens, two lanes will be open from I-65 SB to I-70 EB and the ramp lane will merge onto I-70 EB.

As a reminder, under the permanent North Split interchange configuration, there will no longer be access to I-65 SB via the Delaware/11th Street ramp.

This must be the traffic shift they posted on the signs on 65s recently. things must be moving to their permanent condition now.  :clap:

BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove through the split yesterday from I-65S to I-70E. The pertinent section of the video begins at 3:32:00.

looking at today's drone footage I predict that mainline 65 NB will open 1st, followed by SB mainline 65. NB looks like all it needs is guardrail and pavement markings. southbound still appears to need concrete pavement. It looks so close that I would guess NB will open next weekend, with the following weekend for southbound. This is a pure guess on my part based on drone footage.

Quote from: silverback1065 on April 19, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
looking at today's drone footage I predict that mainline 65 NB will open 1st, followed by SB mainline 65. NB looks like all it needs is guardrail and pavement markings. southbound still appears to need concrete pavement. It looks so close that I would guess NB will open next weekend, with the following weekend for southbound. This is a pure guess on my part based on drone footage.

That's a pretty good assessment, and I feel likewise. Seems the contractor wants this project done, as does INDOT and the city of Indianapolis.

Good news everyone! Both directions of 65 will open Sunday 4/30/23 through the north split! Only thing left is the C/D. I can confirm this by reading the posted signage on the VMS boards on 65s.

Quote from: silverback1065 on April 25, 2023, 08:04:29 PM
Good news everyone! Both directions of 65 will open Sunday 4/30/23 through the north split! Only thing left is the C/D. I can confirm this by reading the posted signage on the VMS boards on 65s.

Verified: https://northsplit.com/north-split-interchange-to-reopen/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZC423uxZHg

Quote from: cjw2001 on April 27, 2023, 02:07:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZC423uxZHg

Pretty cool, but I'd like to see a timelapse of the entire interchange construction.

Quote from: bmeiser on April 27, 2023, 12:35:45 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on April 25, 2023, 08:04:29 PM
Good news everyone! Both directions of 65 will open Sunday 4/30/23 through the north split! Only thing left is the C/D. I can confirm this by reading the posted signage on the VMS boards on 65s.

Verified: https://northsplit.com/north-split-interchange-to-reopen/

Looks like it means that the split will have been closed for 717 days overall, two weeks or thereabouts short of two years.

Anybody remember hyper fix?  :hmmm: That happened when I was too young to remember what exactly happened. Can anyone do a quick refresh of what happened then and how traffic behaved?

Hyperfix I believe was just rehabilitating the existing bridges between Washington Street and the North Split. There was also some repaving and I think they added the third lane for eastbound I-70 at that point. The project went for something like 50, 60 days I think? I started after Memorial Day (always after the 500) and ended in late July or early August. Otherwise I don't remember traffic being too terrible, I guess with it taking place in the summer it made things better. And they also finished the project a few days ahead of schedule too. Finally, to my shame, I remember an Indy radio station doing a parody song to R Kelly's song "Ignition" called "Hyperfixing." Things were...different back then.

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 27, 2023, 08:38:42 PM
Hyperfix I believe was just rehabilitating the existing bridges between Washington Street and the North Split. There was also some repaving and I think they added the third lane for eastbound I-70 at that point. The project went for something like 50, 60 days I think? I started after Memorial Day (always after the 500) and ended in late July or early August. Otherwise I don't remember traffic being too terrible, I guess with it taking place in the summer it made things better. And they also finished the project a few days ahead of schedule too. Finally, to my shame, I remember an Indy radio station doing a parody song to R Kelly's song "Ignition" called "Hyperfixing." Things were...different back then.

You're thinking of this project from 2013: https://www.in.gov/indot/files/SouthSplitII_PreviousProject.pdf

Hyperfix happened back in 2003: https://highways.dot.gov/public-roads/marchapril-2004/hyperfix-6570. This project also finished ahead of schedule.

I remember this project happening but I don't remember how it affected traffic, other than increasing traffic on 465. I was in high school on the south side at the time so it didn't really effect me.

I-65 northbound traffic is now open at the split. Confirmed by the official Twitter and can be seen on the live cameras. As they said, you now keep right for I-65 northbound, and left for I-70 eastbound.

I-65 southbound shouldn't be that far off.

Fresh drone video just posted showing northbound I 65 open.  Looks like all the rain today has made it a challenge to get southbound opened, but they are still working on it as can be seen on the traffic cams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsFeo7bMdfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98WIiYsSEGw

As of around 3 am EST, SB I-65 through Indy is now open! We are now at around 85-90% complete on this project!

 :clap: Wonderful News! Now the only thing left is the C/D and the Penn exit. I bet those will be done by Memorial Day they're so close! After that they have a ton of city streets to fix that were damaged during construction including the Monon Trail.

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 01, 2023, 08:22:08 AM
including the Monon Trail.

I had to read that twice.  :-D

I drove both north and south 65 through the split. Some thoughts...

The signage for the C/D exits on 65 south is horrible. When going south on 65, there are two signs. One simply says "Stay on 65 South for Local Exits", and then you pass another one that says "Stay on 65 South: Michigan, Ohio, Fletcher". There are no signs telling you what lane to be in to get to the C/D exits until you are actually at the C/D exit. If you follow the signs that say, "Stay on 65 South", you could be in the left lane thinking you are fine (since the signs for 65 south point you to the middle and left lane), and then without warning there is the C/D exit in the other lane. This could be better by having a sign that says "Michigan, Ohio, Fletcher, use middle lane" before you reach the split. Even with GPS, I can see this confusing people, as the GPS will probably say "stay left" and then immediately say "exit right". INDOT and bad signage...what else is new.

Lots of confused people going south on 65, trying to figure out how to stay south or go on 70 east. Many people crossing the gore point at the last minute.

The old configuration had the two lanes for 70 west quite suddenly drop to one lane through the north split. Now, the two lanes for 65 south drop to one lane through the north split, but there is good signage indicating that and more merge room.

70 west to 65 north use to have its right most lane exit only at Meridian/Penn. Now that that exit is permanently close, it has two lanes go through the entire interchange.

65 north through the north split used to be two lanes throughout the entire interchange. Now, it's right lane ends about 1/4 miles past the Meridian/Penn exit. 

Until the C/D exits open, there is going to be a major weaving problem on 65S/70W with people trying to get onto East St.

Interesting, I was wondering what the signage looked liked for sb. They used to advertise Exit 111 at the last Meridian St exit sign. I think the reason why they dropped the lane for 65 N instead of 70 is because 70 carries WAY more traffic through downtown than 65 does. I think the worst signage I've seen on an indiana interstate is for Exit 204 on 69 for 106th st. you get only 1 sign and that's the last one with the arrow pointing to the right  :-D.  Good thing is 65 s will no longer back up to 21st st due to the delaware ramp causing weaving issues. I find it interesting that they didn't accommodate access to penn from 70, it looks like an easy thing to do, but I can only guess 2 reasons why: 1. they did a traffic count and found not many people used that ramp from 70 it was mostly 65 traffic. 2. it was a concession to not widen any further to the rethink 65/70 people.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FRafaelSanchezNews%2Fposts%2Fpfbid02ER9ywszWjnj9utGSheJ8BUiWQfowMUz6NgUcgB2B72ZEefN6bh6vjPzZNaAekfTjl

https://fb.watch/kfP96CSJOM/

Quote from: cjw2001 on April 30, 2023, 06:02:43 PM
Fresh drone video just posted showing northbound I 65 open.  Looks like all the rain today has made it a challenge to get southbound opened, but they are still working on it as can be seen on the traffic cams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsFeo7bMdfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98WIiYsSEGw

First video shows CSX being the normal doofuses.. plenty of places to stop, and they stop a train downtown...

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on May 01, 2023, 01:17:00 PM

Lots of confused people going south on 65, trying to figure out how to stay south or go on 70 east. Many people crossing the gore point at the last minute.

viewable here: https://511in.org/@-86.14032,39.7859,16?show=incidents,normalCameras,trafficSpeeds,electronicSigns,stationsAlert,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/5274/920710588

Quote from: Moose on May 01, 2023, 03:34:36 PM

Quote from: cjw2001 on April 30, 2023, 06:02:43 PM
Fresh drone video just posted showing northbound I 65 open.  Looks like all the rain today has made it a challenge to get southbound opened, but they are still working on it as can be seen on the traffic cams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsFeo7bMdfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98WIiYsSEGw

First video shows CSX being the normal doofuses.. plenty of places to stop, and they stop a train downtown...

I wish that damn train would be routed around downtown  :-D

New drone video that shows southbound I 65 open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Xur6ATOSg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsTu62LdufQ

So nice to have this mostly done. Interested to see how this fixes traffic in the area. won't judge that until all ramps are open though.

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 02, 2023, 06:30:59 PM
So nice to have this mostly done. Interested to see how this fixes traffic in the area. won't judge that until all ramps are open though.

Yesterday traffic wasn't looking good but that may have been mainly due to weather and the "new" factor.   Things appear to be smoother today.

I'm wondering how much of the bottleneck of the flyover ramp merge onto I 70 Eastbound will be improved when they finally get those lanes restriped into the final configuration.   Thinking they ran out of time this last weekend due to all the rain but hoping they finish that up ASAP.   Right now the flyover is operating with two lanes but looks like there is likely room for 3 once they finish restriping?

Quote from: cjw2001 on May 02, 2023, 06:46:56 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 02, 2023, 06:30:59 PM
So nice to have this mostly done. Interested to see how this fixes traffic in the area. won't judge that until all ramps are open though.

Yesterday traffic wasn't looking good but that may have been mainly due to weather and the "new" factor.   Things appear to be smoother today.

I'm wondering how much of the bottleneck of the flyover ramp merge onto I 70 Eastbound will be improved when they finally get those lanes restriped into the final configuration.   Thinking they ran out of time this last weekend due to all the rain but hoping they finish that up ASAP.   Right now the flyover is operating with two lanes but looks like there is likely room for 3 once they finish restriping?

I'm pretty sure you're right, because there's a sign that says the left lane ends. That explains the backup on 65. 65 no longer backs up past 21st st anymore. I think come July we can have a safe assessment on how things are flowing.

On a side note, the beautification and city streetscape looks really nice. There will be an urban forest surrounding the interchange and a large lake. All the city streets under the bridges will be fully reconstructed with giant sidewalks, plus a lot of plantings. It's going to look great. Monon trail I believe will be 14' wide too. INDOT is also going to do a lot of downtown city street repairs due to detour traffic I read somewhere. This project really is ending well  :clap:

I'm going to make a prediction. SB 65 will still back up to 21st. Not because of weaving from the Delaware ramp, but because of weaving caused from the MLK/West St ramp. this on ramp has 0 merge area and now will likely get more traffic due to the Delaware ramp being permanently closed to SB 65. That ramp is your only access to 65 SB now besides Washington St. So until they do something about that I predict backups will still happen.

I am still pessimistic about the removing of certain on and off ramps will affect traffic. However, the good thing about the West St on ramp is it will merge into the lanes that are going onto 65 south. So the increased number of people taking the West St on ramp due to needing to go on 65 south, in theory, will join the lanes they already need to be in.

Same with the increased amount of people who need to take the West St exit since 70 west cannot exit at Meridian/Penn anymore. 70 west to 65 north is already on the same side as the West St exit, so hopefully not a lot of merging there either.

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on May 05, 2023, 10:35:02 AM
I am still pessimistic about the removing of certain on and off ramps will affect traffic. However, the good thing about the West St on ramp is it will merge into the lanes that are going onto 65 south. So the increased number of people taking the West St on ramp due to needing to go on 65 south, in theory, will join the lanes they already need to be in.

Same with the increased amount of people who need to take the West St exit since 70 west cannot exit at Meridian/Penn anymore. 70 west to 65 north is already on the same side as the West St exit, so hopefully not a lot of merging there either.

I think the 70w to West st traffic wont be a big deal since traffic is lined up for that. Theoretically the queue at the signal may back up onto mainline but I don't think it will be that bad. Seems like they could have made a slip ramp from Delaware to the C/D to get back to 65S but that may require more R/W which would have been a no no downtown.

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 02, 2023, 07:53:30 PM

Quote from: cjw2001 on May 02, 2023, 06:46:56 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 02, 2023, 06:30:59 PM
So nice to have this mostly done. Interested to see how this fixes traffic in the area. won't judge that until all ramps are open though.

Yesterday traffic wasn't looking good but that may have been mainly due to weather and the "new" factor.   Things appear to be smoother today.

I'm wondering how much of the bottleneck of the flyover ramp merge onto I 70 Eastbound will be improved when they finally get those lanes restriped into the final configuration.   Thinking they ran out of time this last weekend due to all the rain but hoping they finish that up ASAP.   Right now the flyover is operating with two lanes but looks like there is likely room for 3 once they finish restriping?

I'm pretty sure you're right, because there's a sign that says the left lane ends. That explains the backup on 65. 65 no longer backs up past 21st st anymore. I think come July we can have a safe assessment on how things are flowing.

On a side note, the beautification and city streetscape looks really nice. There will be an urban forest surrounding the interchange and a large lake. All the city streets under the bridges will be fully reconstructed with giant sidewalks, plus a lot of plantings. It's going to look great. Monon trail I believe will be 14' wide too. INDOT is also going to do a lot of downtown city street repairs due to detour traffic I read somewhere. This project really is ending well  :clap:

From today's drone video I can see that the third lane on the flyover has now been striped.  The extra lane is not yet fully open since they still need to finish redoing the merge further east.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOSKsTfBf_k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrGG2d-c_Q

The C/D looks like it can be open down to Fletcher now (keeping ohio closed) and the 65 ramp to the C/D can be opened too. Maybe we will see this soon. also looks like penn can open very soon too. I wonder how much traffic that ramp will get now. doesn't seem like a lot now that 70 is cut off permanently.

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So nice to have this mostly done. Interested to see how this fixes traffic in the area. won't judge that until all ramps are open though.

Yesterday traffic wasn't looking good but that may have been mainly due to weather and the "new" factor.   Things appear to be smoother today.

I'm wondering how much of the bottleneck of the flyover ramp merge onto I 70 Eastbound will be improved when they finally get those lanes restriped into the final configuration.   Thinking they ran out of time this last weekend due to all the rain but hoping they finish that up ASAP.   Right now the flyover is operating with two lanes but looks like there is likely room for 3 once they finish restriping?

I'm pretty sure you're right, because there's a sign that says the left lane ends. That explains the backup on 65. 65 no longer backs up past 21st st anymore. I think come July we can have a safe assessment on how things are flowing.

On a side note, the beautification and city streetscape looks really nice. There will be an urban forest surrounding the interchange and a large lake. All the city streets under the bridges will be fully reconstructed with giant sidewalks, plus a lot of plantings. It's going to look great. Monon trail I believe will be 14' wide too. INDOT is also going to do a lot of downtown city street repairs due to detour traffic I read somewhere. This project really is ending well  :clap:

From today's drone video I can see that the third lane on the flyover has now been striped.  The extra lane is not yet fully open since they still need to finish redoing the merge further east.

On the traffic cameras I noticed that I 70 is currently in the process of being restriped back to normal east of the merge.  Hopefully should be finished overnight.

morning update:  As anticipated this was finished overnight and all 3 lanes on the flyover are now open.

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2023, 12:07:45 PM
The C/D looks like it can be open down to Fletcher now (keeping ohio closed) and the 65 ramp to the C/D can be opened too. Maybe we will see this soon. also looks like penn can open very soon too. I wonder how much traffic that ramp will get now. doesn't seem like a lot now that 70 is cut off permanently.

There is activity visible on the traffic cams tonight for the C/D showing the removal of temporary concrete barrier wall with replacement by orange barrels.  Likely a sign of things to come.

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Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2023, 12:07:45 PM
The C/D looks like it can be open down to Fletcher now (keeping ohio closed) and the 65 ramp to the C/D can be opened too. Maybe we will see this soon. also looks like penn can open very soon too. I wonder how much traffic that ramp will get now. doesn't seem like a lot now that 70 is cut off permanently.

There is activity visible on the traffic cams tonight for the C/D showing the removal of temporary concrete barrier wall with replacement by orange barrels.  Likely a sign of things to come.

you were right, the C/D is open down to Fletcher now! Ohio is still closed. Unsure if Exit 111 from 65 is open yet though. Can anyone confirm that 65 has access to the C/D now?

only thing left now is the penn ramp and ohio st if 65 access is open to the c/d.

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The C/D looks like it can be open down to Fletcher now (keeping ohio closed) and the 65 ramp to the C/D can be opened too. Maybe we will see this soon. also looks like penn can open very soon too. I wonder how much traffic that ramp will get now. doesn't seem like a lot now that 70 is cut off permanently.

There is activity visible on the traffic cams tonight for the C/D showing the removal of temporary concrete barrier wall with replacement by orange barrels.  Likely a sign of things to come.

you were right, the C/D is open down to Fletcher now! Ohio is still closed. Unsure if Exit 111 from 65 is open yet though. Can anyone confirm that 65 has access to the C/D now?

only thing left now is the penn ramp and ohio st if 65 access is open to the c/d.

While the lines were painted last night don't believe that is open yet - still seeing orange barrels in place on the traffic cams.

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The C/D looks like it can be open down to Fletcher now (keeping ohio closed) and the 65 ramp to the C/D can be opened too. Maybe we will see this soon. also looks like penn can open very soon too. I wonder how much traffic that ramp will get now. doesn't seem like a lot now that 70 is cut off permanently.

There is activity visible on the traffic cams tonight for the C/D showing the removal of temporary concrete barrier wall with replacement by orange barrels.  Likely a sign of things to come.

you were right, the C/D is open down to Fletcher now! Ohio is still closed. Unsure if Exit 111 from 65 is open yet though. Can anyone confirm that 65 has access to the C/D now?

only thing left now is the penn ramp and ohio st if 65 access is open to the c/d.

While the lines were painted last night don't believe that is open yet - still seeing orange barrels in place on the traffic cams.

Then I would guess that means it will open this weekend! no way it stays closed for much longer!

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Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2023, 12:07:45 PM
The C/D looks like it can be open down to Fletcher now (keeping ohio closed) and the 65 ramp to the C/D can be opened too. Maybe we will see this soon. also looks like penn can open very soon too. I wonder how much traffic that ramp will get now. doesn't seem like a lot now that 70 is cut off permanently.

There is activity visible on the traffic cams tonight for the C/D showing the removal of temporary concrete barrier wall with replacement by orange barrels.  Likely a sign of things to come.

you were right, the C/D is open down to Fletcher now! Ohio is still closed. Unsure if Exit 111 from 65 is open yet though. Can anyone confirm that 65 has access to the C/D now?

only thing left now is the penn ramp and ohio st if 65 access is open to the c/d.

While the lines were painted last night don't believe that is open yet - still seeing orange barrels in place on the traffic cams.

Then I would guess that means it will open this weekend! no way it stays closed for much longer!

Yep just noticed on the traffic cams that the "closed" signs have been removed from the various BGS for Fletcher - so likely opening is imminent.   Barrels are still blocking the way at the moment.

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The C/D looks like it can be open down to Fletcher now (keeping ohio closed) and the 65 ramp to the C/D can be opened too. Maybe we will see this soon. also looks like penn can open very soon too. I wonder how much traffic that ramp will get now. doesn't seem like a lot now that 70 is cut off permanently.

There is activity visible on the traffic cams tonight for the C/D showing the removal of temporary concrete barrier wall with replacement by orange barrels.  Likely a sign of things to come.

you were right, the C/D is open down to Fletcher now! Ohio is still closed. Unsure if Exit 111 from 65 is open yet though. Can anyone confirm that 65 has access to the C/D now?

only thing left now is the penn ramp and ohio st if 65 access is open to the c/d.

While the lines were painted last night don't believe that is open yet - still seeing orange barrels in place on the traffic cams.

Then I would guess that means it will open this weekend! no way it stays closed for much longer!

Yep just noticed on the traffic cams that the "closed" signs have been removed from the various BGS for Fletcher - so likely opening is imminent.   Barrels are still blocking the way at the moment.

From today's email newsletter:

"The Meridian/Pennsylvania exit ramp from I-65 NB and access to the C/D from Michigan to Fletcher and the South Split are anticipated to reopen by Monday, May 15. The Ohio Street ramp is anticipated to be open by the end of May."

edit:  A second INDOT email from later in the day states that the C/D to Fletcher and the Meridian/Penn exit will open tonight.

I just drove it, everything is open except Ohio street! I expect 65 sb/70 wb traffic to get better because a lot of people used the c/d as a secret 4th lane.

Fresh drone video just posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_zuXMJXAOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Eo8BcFRGc

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 14, 2023, 12:55:49 PM
I just drove it, everything is open except Ohio street! I expect 65 sb/70 wb traffic to get better because a lot of people used the c/d as a secret 4th lane.

Doesn't look like WB 70 traffic has caught on to using the collector as an alternate yet - but given time it will likely improve as people notice the c/d traffic whizzing by as they are stopped in traffic on the mainline.

I'll be driving through on the 27th. Looking forward to it.

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 16, 2023, 05:43:30 PM
I'll be driving through on the 27th. Looking forward to it.

both directions of 65 are fun to drive, much sharper curves with a high superelevation.  :-D

Now that the north split is essentially done, local streets damaged by detouring traffic will be fixed. Saw it on the news today, they said around 12 streets will get fixed. One in particular is 11th from Meridian to Delaware. This will go into 2024. 14 million dollars courtesy of INDOT. also the new north split is finally showing up on google maps.

Google maps is starting to catch up with reality -- I've been strategically submitting edits for several days which they've surprisingly been accepting.  Feeding them one or two changes at a time in order to get them through.  Think most of the old obsolete ramp segments have been removed at this point.   Now working on getting the correct names on segments and getting the two local ramps extended on the north end.   So far so good but with Google you never know.   This was so much easier when Google Mapmaker was still a thing and I had regional lead powers.  Now it is just a roll of the dice whether they pay attention or not.

I've had a couple of edits fly through recently, much to my surprise.

ohio st is open! all ramps are open now! with the exception of sb keystone to 70w that will probably open when they put the wb lanes back to where they should be. looks like they are putting in sound barriers.

ya google needs to remove the small kink on 65 nb leaving the split and also needs to change the line weight and label 65 sb going into the split.

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2023, 08:12:44 AM

ya google needs to remove the small kink on 65 nb leaving the split and also needs to change the line weight and label 65 sb going into the split.

submitted the changes needed for that yesterday - now whether they accept those edits or not is a completely different story.

INDOT is seeking opinions on the interstates inside 465, excluding north split. They want to see how they should improve them. I think removal is off the table. What do you guys think should be done to improve the inside interstates? I think the south leg of the inner loop (70) needs some cleanup, make restore the street grid as much as you can and to cap most of the south split. the virginia on ramp needs some work too. the Keystone Rural exit should be turned into a simple diamond or SPUI. The on ramp to 65s from west/mlk needs merging room.

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 31, 2023, 08:17:31 AM
INDOT is seeking opinions on the interstates inside 465, excluding north split. They want to see how they should improve them. I think removal is off the table. What do you guys think should be done to improve the inside interstates? I think the south leg of the inner loop (70) needs some cleanup, make restore the street grid as much as you can and to cap most of the south split. the virginia on ramp needs some work too. the Keystone Rural exit should be turned into a simple diamond or SPUI. The on ramp to 65s from west/mlk needs merging room.

Where are they accepting feedback officially?

Pixel 7

not sure, just saw it on the news. i am sure you can find it on INDOT greenfield district's website.

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Quote from: silverback1065 on May 31, 2023, 08:17:31 AM
INDOT is seeking opinions on the interstates inside 465, excluding north split. They want to see how they should improve them. I think removal is off the table. What do you guys think should be done to improve the inside interstates? I think the south leg of the inner loop (70) needs some cleanup, make restore the street grid as much as you can and to cap most of the south split. the virginia on ramp needs some work too. the Keystone Rural exit should be turned into a simple diamond or SPUI. The on ramp to 65s from west/mlk needs merging room.

Where are they accepting feedback officially?

Pixel 7

https://propelindy.com/

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Quote from: bmeiser on June 01, 2023, 02:18:33 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on May 31, 2023, 08:17:31 AM
INDOT is seeking opinions on the interstates inside 465, excluding north split. They want to see how they should improve them. I think removal is off the table. What do you guys think should be done to improve the inside interstates? I think the south leg of the inner loop (70) needs some cleanup, make restore the street grid as much as you can and to cap most of the south split. the virginia on ramp needs some work too. the Keystone Rural exit should be turned into a simple diamond or SPUI. The on ramp to 65s from west/mlk needs merging room.

Where are they accepting feedback officially?

Pixel 7

https://propelindy.com/

Thanks! Links are always helpful!

Pixel 7

Ramp from Keystone / Rural to westbound 70 has reopened

https://twitter.com/northsplit/status/1668060241144029185?s=46&t=nrPhTgDov4lf6qzl3haBrw

seems like the new traffic patterns for the new interchange are much better for all approaches except SB 65. it now consistently backs up all the way to the white river, where before it just backed up to 21st street. I do not understand why this is happening. anyone have a guess?

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2023, 04:59:58 PM
seems like the new traffic patterns for the new interchange are much better for all approaches except SB 65. it now consistently backs up all the way to the white river, where before it just backed up to 21st street. I do not understand why this is happening. anyone have a guess?

My guess:  Could it be more people using the West Street ramp since they can't use the 11th/Delaware ramp any longer to get to 65?   The backups seem to correlate with the merge of the West Street ramp.

Quote from: cjw2001 on October 03, 2023, 05:17:16 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2023, 04:59:58 PM
seems like the new traffic patterns for the new interchange are much better for all approaches except SB 65. it now consistently backs up all the way to the white river, where before it just backed up to 21st street. I do not understand why this is happening. anyone have a guess?

My guess:  Could it be more people using the West Street ramp since they can't use the 11th/Delaware ramp any longer to get to 65?   The backups seem to correlate with the merge of the West Street ramp.

That may be it. that ramp has 0 merge area. and it's scary during rush hour. also I think people are still confused as to which lane does what approaching the interchange.

In mid-September, another two drone videos were uploaded. These might be the final videos of the project.

Quote from: ITB on October 04, 2023, 02:51:28 PM

In mid-September, another two drone videos were uploaded. These might be the final videos of the project.

Thanks for posting these links!

Would be nice if they did two more final flyovers, next spring or summer (2024), to better show the results of the final landscaping. But except for the far-left lane of Pine Street (because of work on the adjacent embankment), the traffic parts have all been completed. So these might indeed be the last ones we see.

IMHO the I-465/I-69 Clear Path Project's contractors & INDOT need to hire the people/company who produced these excellent drone flyovers for the North Split project to better document that one! But alas, given the history of that project and the contractors involved, sadly I may be expecting far too much from them.

Fresh drone video was posted today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkhV4ESFtU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-3_eLgiKCY

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2023, 06:26:58 PM

Quote from: cjw2001 on October 03, 2023, 05:17:16 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2023, 04:59:58 PM
seems like the new traffic patterns for the new interchange are much better for all approaches except SB 65. it now consistently backs up all the way to the white river, where before it just backed up to 21st street. I do not understand why this is happening. anyone have a guess?

My guess:  Could it be more people using the West Street ramp since they can't use the 11th/Delaware ramp any longer to get to 65?   The backups seem to correlate with the merge of the West Street ramp.

That may be it. that ramp has 0 merge area. and it's scary during rush hour. also I think people are still confused as to which lane does what approaching the interchange.

Sounds like this could be a good place for a ramp meter that would activate when the mainline gets congested.   Spreading out the merging traffic would likely help quite a bit.

Does anyone know why the painting of the bridges and supports seems to have stopped in mid paintjob for the past few months?

Quote from: purdueboiler on October 24, 2023, 03:28:56 PM
Does anyone know why the painting of the bridges and supports seems to have stopped in mid paintjob for the past few months?

I have 2 pure guesses, weather and scheduling. other than that i have no idea. they seem to be dragging their feet on the local road improvements too.

Surprisingly they are still posting updated drone video (the Clearpath project could learn from this).  Some of the progress on local road improvements is visible on the new video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlzSY1sgETM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4qbkl0j50

More updated video just posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUe2FnxFLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrnuVGGKBMQ

Looks like quite a bit of progress on the local street repairs/repaving.

Rumor is there is a small snafu of sorts.

There is a lift stuck in no mans land along the I-70 WB ramp. They were using it there and apparently have blocked its exit by accident with guardrails.

I don't know this for sure, but you can sure see it from the ramp.. and looking on google earth, I can see where there might not be an exit for it now.

UPDATE: You can see it at several points in the videos, its to the left of the WB I-70 mainline ramp

I made a snapshot of the video.

You can clearly see in this pic it is trapped.

If you look back in the previous videos, its been there a while

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finrd.gotdns.com%2Ftemp%2Ftrapped.jpg&hash=2147f0c7a528503a689f4d9545bdd860c80eddd4)

Quote from: Moose on November 22, 2023, 01:22:39 PM
I made a snapshot of the video.

You can clearly see in this pic it is trapped.

If you look back in the previous videos, its been there a while

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finrd.gotdns.com%2Ftemp%2Ftrapped.jpg&hash=2147f0c7a528503a689f4d9545bdd860c80eddd4)

This is pretty hilarious.

Pixel 7

Why can't the lift be driven down to 10th St at the underpass? Am I missing a barricade somewhere?

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 23, 2023, 01:15:40 PM
Why can't the lift be driven down to 10th St at the underpass? Am I missing a barricade somewhere?

It's in a straight walled trench

Quote from: Moose on November 23, 2023, 05:23:00 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 23, 2023, 01:15:40 PM
Why can't the lift be driven down to 10th St at the underpass? Am I missing a barricade somewhere?

It's in a straight walled trench

So? Drive it there and use a platform lift to lower it to close to street level then ramp it down

Could use a crane, also, but more work and expensive for that

https://www.wthr.com/article/traffic/why-this-indianapolis-non-profit-wants-downtown-interstates-moved-underground-rethink-coalition-65-70/531-9a3f213d-1f6d-4b1f-94d3-a99bfd0b1717?fbclid=IwAR0QxTJmU-470yZaO-pWJz_3H3ecQPrDjoErfCk6H9B4TXKa3Ns9KVXaqcE


I don't see finding the funding for this idea.


A small cap for some green space might work

SM-G996U

Quote from: ibthebigd on December 09, 2023, 05:34:06 AM
https://www.wthr.com/article/traffic/why-this-indianapolis-non-profit-wants-downtown-interstates-moved-underground-rethink-coalition-65-70/531-9a3f213d-1f6d-4b1f-94d3-a99bfd0b1717?fbclid=IwAR0QxTJmU-470yZaO-pWJz_3H3ecQPrDjoErfCk6H9B4TXKa3Ns9KVXaqcE


I don't see finding the funding for this idea.


A small cap for some green space might work

SM-G996U

Already a separate thread on this at https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32152.0

The project has once again posted updated drone video on their YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx4y8CdZcQw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se-tgg3FhV4

Looks like all the local street improvements are pretty much complete at this point.

And that lift is still there at 0:18  on the second video.

only one left is lewis street.

Quote from: cjw2001 on December 26, 2023, 11:16:07 AM
And that lift is still there at 0:18  on the second video.

Yep it still is. It's pretty much trapped. I am sure there is a super entertaining story about it lol.

I suppose it could be dissembled to be removed..