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Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)

Started by Interstate 69 Fan, November 15, 2016, 07:17:07 PM

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snowc

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 22, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
The part near I-95 (i'm talking about the east side) Looks like it needs repaving. And the rumble strips are on an odd spot. Seems like they built highways like that in the mid 2000s.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8122908,-78.4096338,3a,75y,98.37h,91.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0drwl2fwt5OMJQ6d9StPGQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The extension has hardly any shoulders at all. That's why the highway is not signed.
That's not the area in question?
We know that, but here is another look at US 264 near zebulon
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8284535,-78.2884019,3a,75y,326.32h,79.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfm80fDOrvZ3Msh0apQ8zA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The shoulders here are in question.


sprjus4

Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 22, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
The part near I-95 (i'm talking about the east side) Looks like it needs repaving. And the rumble strips are on an odd spot. Seems like they built highways like that in the mid 2000s.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8122908,-78.4096338,3a,75y,98.37h,91.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0drwl2fwt5OMJQ6d9StPGQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The extension has hardly any shoulders at all. That's why the highway is not signed.
That's not the area in question?
We know that, but here is another look at US 264 near zebulon
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8284535,-78.2884019,3a,75y,326.32h,79.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfm80fDOrvZ3Msh0apQ8zA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The shoulders here are in question.
Still not, the area currently in question for potential I-587 designation is US-264 east of I-95.

snowc

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 22, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
The part near I-95 (i'm talking about the east side) Looks like it needs repaving. And the rumble strips are on an odd spot. Seems like they built highways like that in the mid 2000s.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8122908,-78.4096338,3a,75y,98.37h,91.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0drwl2fwt5OMJQ6d9StPGQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The extension has hardly any shoulders at all. That's why the highway is not signed.
That's not the area in question?
We know that, but here is another look at US 264 near zebulon
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8284535,-78.2884019,3a,75y,326.32h,79.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfm80fDOrvZ3Msh0apQ8zA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The shoulders here are in question.
Still not, the area currently in question for potential I-587 designation is US-264 east of I-95.
OOh... I thought we were talking about from I87 all the way to I95.

tolbs17

#328
Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 22, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
The part near I-95 (i'm talking about the east side) Looks like it needs repaving. And the rumble strips are on an odd spot. Seems like they built highways like that in the mid 2000s.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8122908,-78.4096338,3a,75y,98.37h,91.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0drwl2fwt5OMJQ6d9StPGQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The extension has hardly any shoulders at all. That's why the highway is not signed.
That's not the area in question?
We know that, but here is another look at US 264 near zebulon
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8284535,-78.2884019,3a,75y,326.32h,79.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfm80fDOrvZ3Msh0apQ8zA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The shoulders here are in question.
Still not, the area currently in question for potential I-587 designation is US-264 east of I-95.
OOh... I thought we were talking about from I87 all the way to I95.
This. It may or may not need repaving but I guess how these rumble strips were aligned in the mid 2000s. Parts of I-95 are like that too.

sprjus4

Quote from: snowc on March 25, 2021, 04:10:31 PM
OOh... I thought we were talking about from I87 all the way to I95.
Not for this. The discussion was whether NCDOT plans to designate US-264 as Interstate 587 between I-95 and NC-11 Bypass in Greenville due to the fact the highway now meets interstate standards and connects to an existing interstate highway (I-95), thanks to completion of a rehabilitation project east of I-95 that widened the paved shoulders to 10 ft all the way to Greenville.

tolbs17

#330
Also, what bridges need to be replaced to meet interstate standards at the I-87 junction and west of I-95?

I don't see why that needs to be done. Those bridges are newer compared to the ones I-95 has.

And, I can see some trees have been cut down in the forested section. Wonder why that is

The Ghostbuster

Of course, for Interstate 587 to eventually exist, Interstate 87 has to be signposted past the 64/264 split to at least the NC 39 interchange. Since upgrades to US 64 from Rolesville Road to NC 58 are not planned to be constructed in the foreseeable future, the 587 designation will have to wait until both 64 and 264 are upgraded to Interstate Standards.

tolbs17

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 25, 2021, 08:33:17 PM
Of course, for Interstate 587 to eventually exist, Interstate 87 has to be signposted past the 64/264 split to at least the NC 39 interchange. Since upgrades to US 64 from Rolesville Road to NC 58 are not planned to be constructed in the foreseeable future, the 587 designation will have to wait until both 64 and 264 are upgraded to Interstate Standards.
And that's like +5 years from now.

sprjus4

^

Does I-587 have to connect to its parent to be signed? It could still connect to I-95 and be signed in the meantime easy to Greenville, with the destination of -87 assuming it will eventually keep going west in the future.

bob7374

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 09:13:38 PM
^

Does I-587 have to connect to its parent to be signed? It could still connect to I-95 and be signed in the meantime easy to Greenville, with the destination of -87 assuming it will eventually keep going west in the future.
The key question is whether NCDOT believes it could be signed without connecting to I-87. There are other examples of 3dis being signed and not connected to their parent which NCDOT could emulate. Currently I-369 in Texas is signed with only a connection to I-30 at one end, the rest to be built later (along with the portion of I-69 it is to connect to).

tolbs17

Could have been signed I-595 a long time ago and renumbered to I-587.

sprjus4

Quote from: tolbs17 on March 25, 2021, 10:36:25 PM
Could have been signed I-595 a long time ago and renumbered to I-587.
Not really, considering the portion between Wilson and Greenville was just recently completed to interstate standards in the past few weeks.

tolbs17

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 25, 2021, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 25, 2021, 10:36:25 PM
Could have been signed I-595 a long time ago and renumbered to I-587.
Not really, considering the portion between Wilson and Greenville was just recently completed to interstate standards in the past few weeks.
Could be a great time to request NCDOT to sign it.

I-495 was signed and didn't connect to I-95

LM117

Quote from: LM117 on March 18, 2021, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: LM117 on May 30, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
A contract was awarded for repaving US-264 in Greene and Pitt counties. The project includes shoulder widening, which will bring this stretch up to interstate standards, leaving only the stretch between Sims and Zebulon to contend with. That stretch will need increased bridge clearances in addition to wider shoulders.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-30-pavement-rehab-greene-pitt-counties.aspx

This upgrade has been completed ahead of schedule.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-03-17-pitt-greene-highway-paving-complete.aspx

This recent WNCT article has a pic showing the newly widened shoulders.

https://www.wnct.com/traffic/paving-project-on-u-s-hwy-264-in-greene-pitt-counties-ends-ahead-of-schedule/
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

tolbs17

Quote from: LM117 on March 26, 2021, 12:13:11 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 18, 2021, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: LM117 on May 30, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
A contract was awarded for repaving US-264 in Greene and Pitt counties. The project includes shoulder widening, which will bring this stretch up to interstate standards, leaving only the stretch between Sims and Zebulon to contend with. That stretch will need increased bridge clearances in addition to wider shoulders.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-30-pavement-rehab-greene-pitt-counties.aspx

This upgrade has been completed ahead of schedule.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-03-17-pitt-greene-highway-paving-complete.aspx

Pic from a recent WNCT article showing the newly widened shoulders:


Why does it look off level?

LM117

Quote from: tolbs17 on March 26, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 26, 2021, 12:13:11 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 18, 2021, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: LM117 on May 30, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
A contract was awarded for repaving US-264 in Greene and Pitt counties. The project includes shoulder widening, which will bring this stretch up to interstate standards, leaving only the stretch between Sims and Zebulon to contend with. That stretch will need increased bridge clearances in addition to wider shoulders.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-30-pavement-rehab-greene-pitt-counties.aspx

This upgrade has been completed ahead of schedule.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-03-17-pitt-greene-highway-paving-complete.aspx

Pic from a recent WNCT article showing the newly widened shoulders:


Why does it look off level?

Not sure.
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

sprjus4

QuoteIn April, the same contractor will begin milling and resurfacing U.S. 264 between the Southwest Bypass and U.S. 13.
Does the upcoming pavement on the Northwest portion of the bypass also involve shoulder widening, or simply routine resurfacing?

tolbs17

#342
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 26, 2021, 01:10:10 PM
QuoteIn April, the same contractor will begin milling and resurfacing U.S. 264 between the Southwest Bypass and U.S. 13.
Does the upcoming pavement on the Northwest portion of the bypass also involve shoulder widening, or simply routine resurfacing?
Imo I think it needs shoulder widening too so it can meet interstate standards. They should make a map for the northwest alignment.

Also, that's the last segment and all of Greenville's freeway system will all look black and new!

sprjus4

It's not apart of any interstate corridors though, so if anything it's merely a safety improvement, assuming shoulder widening is included.

tolbs17

#344
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 26, 2021, 02:11:04 PM
It's not apart of any interstate corridors though, so if anything it's merely a safety improvement, assuming shoulder widening is included.
Let's request I-287 for it.

Well that's going to require the northwestern bypass segment built and the Kinston freeway!

LM117

#345
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 26, 2021, 01:10:10 PM
QuoteIn April, the same contractor will begin milling and resurfacing U.S. 264 between the Southwest Bypass and U.S. 13.
Does the upcoming pavement on the Northwest portion of the bypass also involve shoulder widening, or simply routine resurfacing?

Routine resurfacing, most likely. I do think they should go ahead and widen the shoulders. Even though it's not a future interstate, it's good to have wide shoulders on a 70mph freeway as a safety feature. I had to make an emergency stop once on 64/264 near Zebulon back in 2016, and it wasn't fun.

If it does become a future interstate down the road, the work on that stretch would already be done (minus the US-13 interchange), so that's an added bonus.
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

tolbs17

Quote from: LM117 on March 26, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 26, 2021, 01:10:10 PM
QuoteIn April, the same contractor will begin milling and resurfacing U.S. 264 between the Southwest Bypass and U.S. 13.
Does the upcoming pavement on the Northwest portion of the bypass also involve shoulder widening, or simply routine resurfacing?

Routine resurfacing, most likely. I do think they should go ahead and widen the shoulders. Even though it's not a future interstate, it's good to have wide shoulders on a 70mph freeway as a safety feature. I had to make an emergency stop once on 64/264 near Zebulon back in 2016, and it wasn't fun.

If it does become a future interstate down the road, the work on that stretch would already be done (minus the US-13 interchange), so that's an added bonus.
https://ncdot.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=fd72c3ba0be144e5928a5b36931c1d61

This map tells you how bad the highway needs to be repaved.

sprjus4

Quote from: tolbs17 on March 26, 2021, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 26, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 26, 2021, 01:10:10 PM
QuoteIn April, the same contractor will begin milling and resurfacing U.S. 264 between the Southwest Bypass and U.S. 13.
Does the upcoming pavement on the Northwest portion of the bypass also involve shoulder widening, or simply routine resurfacing?

Routine resurfacing, most likely. I do think they should go ahead and widen the shoulders. Even though it's not a future interstate, it's good to have wide shoulders on a 70mph freeway as a safety feature. I had to make an emergency stop once on 64/264 near Zebulon back in 2016, and it wasn't fun.

If it does become a future interstate down the road, the work on that stretch would already be done (minus the US-13 interchange), so that's an added bonus.
https://ncdot.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=fd72c3ba0be144e5928a5b36931c1d61

This map tells you how bad the highway needs to be repaved.
Apparently the highway has never been resurfaced since it opened in 1994.

tolbs17

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 26, 2021, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 26, 2021, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 26, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 26, 2021, 01:10:10 PM
QuoteIn April, the same contractor will begin milling and resurfacing U.S. 264 between the Southwest Bypass and U.S. 13.
Does the upcoming pavement on the Northwest portion of the bypass also involve shoulder widening, or simply routine resurfacing?

Routine resurfacing, most likely. I do think they should go ahead and widen the shoulders. Even though it's not a future interstate, it's good to have wide shoulders on a 70mph freeway as a safety feature. I had to make an emergency stop once on 64/264 near Zebulon back in 2016, and it wasn't fun.

If it does become a future interstate down the road, the work on that stretch would already be done (minus the US-13 interchange), so that's an added bonus.
https://ncdot.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=fd72c3ba0be144e5928a5b36931c1d61

This map tells you how bad the highway needs to be repaved.
Apparently the highway has never been resurfaced since it opened in 1994.
That held up pretty well. Unlike I-795 which lasted for only like 1-2 years and the Clayton bypass was <10 years.

tolbs17

This merge lane is kinda too short. I hope they fix this When they make I-587.

I say just replace all of the damn interchanges. They look relatively outdated and due for replacement.



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