I don't think there's a thread for this yet...
Anyways, I decided that since wrong way concurrencies are talked about a lot on these forums, why not make a thread about it?
I'll start it off. Finding a wrong way concurrency in Arkansas is becoming more and more difficult. Although the actual concurrencies are still there, they just aren't marked very much. I found this on Google Street View, this is not marked anymore.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9697653,-92.421095,3a,15y,215.79h,86.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUaxW9zQenGmmXO0caNkiAg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Pretty much everyone is allowed to contribute.
M-13 and M-84 in Bay City, Michigan. Here both highways are running east and west. M-13 shifts from the east side of Bay City to the west side of Bay City and M-84 uses Salzburg to run in an east-west segment but is also a north-south highway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5803052,-83.9155418,3a,19.3y,111.2h,88.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srtMj7KIOii128tDYagygMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This one is a little more well known. M-83 and M-54 intersect each other coming from different directions on the same road and then use Birch Run Road to connect to I-75. M-83 runs north and south through Frankenmuth up to a junction with M-15 and M-54 turns south to run through Flint on Dort Hwy. and ends at I-75's exit 109.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2501513,-83.7542506,3a,15.3y,125.04h,88.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szUUnNW_lGR6Iuz-XK-dU8g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
WA-167 and WA-161 in Puyallup.
The freeway runs east-west through the area, but the highways are designated north and south:
https://goo.gl/BUbGew
I don't know of any others in Washington.
They're not that rare.
I-77/81
US 52/62
I-95/US 1 (MA)
I-95/US 3
MA 2/16
RI 114 with itself
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18906.msg2177733#msg2177733
I wish I could find the old misc.transport.road post that gave an example of a four-way wrong-way concurrency.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 02, 2018, 11:07:20 AM
I wish I could find the old misc.transport.road post that gave an example of a four-way wrong-way concurrency.
There is no such thing. We've told you several times.
Everyone has probably heard of this one.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8700883,-83.7561688,3a,17.7y,187.99h,89.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJXPgMGPEuloeq1K15eS_uw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
It's a classic.
MA 62 & 114
US 1 & PA 52
Bus US 1 & PA 413
In Fremont Ohio, both SOUTH OH-19 and NORTH OH-53 are concurrent with EAST US-6 and EAST US-20, and, of course, the reverse on the westbound side. It's only about a mile long; long enough for one set of reassurance markers in each direction.
With I-41 designated, I-41 and I-43 in Milwaukee County.
Just wondering: Is there a wrong-way concurrency between four routes where you can go in all four compass directions at once? That would be weird.
Quote from: theroadwayone on May 02, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
Just wondering: Is there a wrong-way concurrency between four routes where you can go in all four compass directions at once? That would be weird.
hbelkins says there is one, but NE2 disagrees. In a different thread where hbelkins mentioned it, he said it was in Massachusetts. I'm absolutely sure there are none in Massachusetts. This doesn't mean there weren't any historically, but not that much of the original Massachusetts state highway system has changed over time compared to other states.
Previous thread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14712
CT 57 & CT 107 in Wilton
CT 71 and CT 150 in Wallingford
CT 97 and CT 169 in Norwich
I-95 & MA 128 and US 1 from Canton to Dedham
I-95 & MA 128 and US 3 in Burlington
US 202 and MA 12 in Wichendon
US 202 and MA 68 in Templeton
MA 2 and MA 16 (w/US 3 perpendicular) in Cambridge
MA 2A and MA 60 (w/US 3 perpendicular) in Arlington
MA 3 and MA 28 in Boston
MA 8A and MA 116 in
MA 12 and MA 31 (w/MA 2A perpendicular) in Fitchburg
MA 27 and MA 123 in Brockton
MA 62 and MA 110 (w/MA 70 perpendicular) in Clinton
MA 62 and MA 114 in Middleton
MA 68 and MA 101 in Gardner
MA 107 and MA 129A in Lynn
US 1A and RI 114 in Pawtucket
RI 1A and RI 108 near Narragansett Pier
RI 2 and RI 102 in North Kingstown
RI 3 and RI 216 in Ashaway
RI 114 and RI 126 in Woonsocket
RI 116 and RI 122 in Cumberland
I had a hard time finding any in Minnesota. I did find:
MN 23/MN 67 in Granite Falls, very brief.
California wrong-way concurrencies, part one:
US 101/CA 23 North and South in the Conejo Valley: the freeway runs east-west.
I-80 West and East/I-580 East and West in the East Bay: the freeway runs north-south.
CA 49 North/CA 89 South:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4241/35152184590_e1582a516b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vyh8N7)49CAy (https://flic.kr/p/Vyh8N7) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
South Bend: https://goo.gl/maps/UrU4EnKAHHT2 (https://goo.gl/maps/UrU4EnKAHHT2)
They share pavement on Sample from Lincolnway to Main Street.
Quote from: 1 on May 02, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on May 02, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
Just wondering: Is there a wrong-way concurrency between four routes where you can go in all four compass directions at once? That would be weird.
hbelkins says there is one, but NE2 disagrees. In a different thread where hbelkins mentioned it, he said it was in Massachusetts. I'm absolutely sure there are none in Massachusetts. This doesn't mean there weren't any historically, but not that much of the original Massachusetts state highway system has changed over time compared to other states.
Previous thread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14712
I'll agree that if there is one, it sure as hell isn't in Massachusetts.
Quote from: theline on May 03, 2018, 12:47:52 AM
South Bend: https://goo.gl/maps/UrU4EnKAHHT2 (https://goo.gl/maps/UrU4EnKAHHT2)
They share pavement on Sample from Lincolnway to Main Street.
Know that one well, well enough to know that if you intend to follow 933 (old 33) north, it's faster to just stay on Lincolnway/Monroe rather than take that stupid cloverleaf onto Sample.
There used to be one in Delphi with US 421 and IN 25, but the new bypass eliminated that concurrency.
Macon County, IL: IL-48 and IL-121
Kane County, IL: IL-72 and US20
Fulton County, IL: US24 and US136
Scott County, IN: IN-3 and IN-203
Quote from: 1 on May 02, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on May 02, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
Just wondering: Is there a wrong-way concurrency between four routes where you can go in all four compass directions at once? That would be weird.
hbelkins says there is one, but NE2 disagrees. In a different thread where hbelkins mentioned it, he said it was in Massachusetts. I'm absolutely sure there are none in Massachusetts. This doesn't mean there weren't any historically, but not that much of the original Massachusetts state highway system has changed over time compared to other states.
Previous thread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14712
My recollection was that it was in Massachusetts.
There should have been a law against the "no-archive" option in Usenet posts.
US 421 has a couple in North Carolina
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2189717,-81.6595148,3a,20.7y,298.19h,92.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sznDgyH3YJlWg6hWB217RgA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9980077,-79.771256,3a,75y,304.05h,95.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAxncyl3ID9Eg11sH0aDR8A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 03, 2018, 09:18:35 AM
Macon County, IL: IL-48 and IL-121
Kane County, IL: IL-72 and US20
Fulton County, IL: US24 and US136
Scott County, IN: IN-3 and IN-203
Jackson County, IL: IL-13 and IL-149
I-44/OK-3 around the west side of OKC.
Not exactly the "four directions at once" situation, but...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.millenniumhwy.net%2Finterestingsigns%2Ftn%2FsouthUS11W-northUS25E.jpg&hash=a777e456a6247265683c441c5981ba7ea04bbb14)
Interestingly enough, there's a similar setup east of Knoxville. Southbound on US 25W is northbound on US 11E, and vice versa.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6460584701_0ce5f7f770_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/aQUbKp)2011 US 11E-US 11W clinching trip - 150 (https://flic.kr/p/aQUbKp) by H.B. Elkins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/), on Flickr
Another one from Arkansas... this took me a few days to figure out this was wrong-way.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/957/41326400384_d63693de9d_b.jpg)
(https://flic.kr/p/25XSB3y)US-270 & AR-88 (https://flic.kr/p/25XSB3y) by TheInstrumentalist (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154936453@N06/), on Flickr
I guess I'll throw in the one near me, and the only one that I know of in Iowa: US-65 and IA-5 on the southeast edge of Des Moines.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ce5QdiW.jpg)
And of course:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/979/28244456748_462c55a6e0_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/K2SdYd)IMG_1747 (https://flic.kr/p/K2SdYd) by Brent White (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135313474@N03/), on Flickr
Soon to be three directions at once (I-87N US 64E I-440W)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 02, 2018, 08:48:26 PMI-95 & MA 128 and US 1 from Canton to Dedham
I-95 & MA 128 and US 3 in Burlington
Those two were already mentioned.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 02, 2018, 08:48:26 PMMA 8A and MA 116 in Savoy & Plainfield
FTFY
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 02, 2018, 08:48:26 PMMA 27 and MA 123 in Brockton
27 is N/S & 123 is E/W
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 02, 2018, 08:48:26 PMMA 62 and MA 114 in Middleton
Already mentioned by yours truly several posts back.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 02, 2018, 08:48:26 PMMA 107 and MA 129A in Lynn
107 is N/S & 129A is E/W.
QuoteMA 107 and MA 129A in Lynn
MA 107 is north/south, while MA 129A is east/west. So the concurrencies are North/East and South/West. Not "wrong way".
IN 62/IN 66 in Evansville along US 41:
(https://i.imgur.com/QskCuIE.jpg)
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 02, 2018, 12:56:46 AM
M-13 and M-84 in Bay City, Michigan. Here both highways are running east and west. M-13 shifts from the east side of Bay City to the west side of Bay City and M-84 uses Salzburg to run in an east-west segment but is also a north-south highway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5803052,-83.9155418,3a,19.3y,111.2h,88.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srtMj7KIOii128tDYagygMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This one is a little more well known. M-83 and M-54 intersect each other coming from different directions on the same road and then use Birch Run Road to connect to I-75. M-83 runs north and south through Frankenmuth up to a junction with M-15 and M-54 turns south to run through Flint on Dort Hwy. and ends at I-75's exit 109.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2501513,-83.7542506,3a,15.3y,125.04h,88.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szUUnNW_lGR6Iuz-XK-dU8g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Also in Michigan:
M-43 and M-89 in Richland
(https://i.imgur.com/s7fQ3sV.jpg)
Northbound BL US-24 and southbound BL I-75 (along with westbound M-59) in Pontiac -- this is on the one-way counterclockwise Woodward Loop so there is no concurrency in the opposite directions
(https://i.imgur.com/8jDgCQu.jpg)
M-72 and Oscoda County F32 (along with M-33) near Mio
(https://i.imgur.com/qAHdAf8.jpg)
M-60 and BL I-94 on the west side of Jackson
(https://i.imgur.com/QZmavMW.jpg)
I-469 in Fort Wayne USED to have a stretch of US-30 West/US-24 East and vice-versa on the east side of town until they wisely re-routed US-24 onto the northern part of I-469.
How could we omit this double wrong-way concurrency near Wytheville, VA -- is this the only occurrence of a 2di Interstate wrong-way concurrency (not counting the I-76/I-80 Ohio Turnpike interchange)?
(https://i.imgur.com/QveRyk0.jpg)
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 05, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
is this the only occurrence of a 2di Interstate wrong-way concurrency (not counting the I-76/I-80 Ohio Turnpike interchange)?
Along I-894 in southern Milwaukee County Wisconsin, there is a wrong-way concurrency of I-41 and I-43.
Quote from: Big John on August 05, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 05, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
is this the only occurrence of a 2di Interstate wrong-way concurrency (not counting the I-76/I-80 Ohio Turnpike interchange)?
Along I-894 in southern Milwaukee County Wisconsin, there is a wrong-way concurrency of I-41 and I-43.
Ah, yes... the newbie interstate.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 05, 2018, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 05, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 05, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
is this the only occurrence of a 2di Interstate wrong-way concurrency (not counting the I-76/I-80 Ohio Turnpike interchange)?
Along I-894 in southern Milwaukee County Wisconsin, there is a wrong-way concurrency of I-41 and I-43.
Ah, yes... the newbie interstate.
I-44 and I-70 just miss in Downtown STL...
I-44 East ends and defaults onto I-70 West (on a roadway that used to be I-70 West, anyway)
I do appreciate the I-44 East Control City of Kansas City in Downtown STL
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 05, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
How could we omit this double wrong-way concurrency near Wytheville, VA -- is this the only occurrence of a 2di Interstate wrong-way concurrency (not counting the I-76/I-80 Ohio Turnpike interchange)?
(https://i.imgur.com/QveRyk0.jpg)
I think most of the time when you have a wrong way concurrency the actual highway is going in another direction. Like for I-77, I-81, US-11 and US-52 in Virginia the highway is running east and west and I-81 spends a lot of time going more east and west rather than north and south in that area.
AL 20 and US 72 in the Shoals where the two routes run with US 43, AL 17, and AL 13 across the Tennessee River.
North/south: CT 149/151, East Haddam: https://goo.gl/maps/UGVxBZowgzA2
Dutton, Matthews County, Virginia has a roughly 1.5 mile wrong-way concurrency (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.495705,-76.4108187/37.4929588,-76.4365735/@37.4904197,-76.4392198,16z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) of VA-198 and VA-3 (GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4922897,-76.4358332,3a,25.5y,170.96h,91.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shkcj-zQml6m2ZA-wMPJ6Cg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and here (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4954184,-76.4116785,3a,75y,285.43h,92.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9W2Smt_8lSCXdnRh31dDdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)).
VA-198 is a legitimate east-west running highway from U.S. 17 east to a point east of Matthews, where it just becomes a secondary system road.
VA-3, for most of its path, is also a legitimate east-west road, from Culpeper to Fredericksburg to Klimarnock in Lancaster County. Beyond Kilmarnock, it runs more north-south to avoid going into the Chesapeake Bay, but is still signed east and west.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 02, 2018, 09:15:16 PM
I had a hard time finding any in Minnesota. I did find:
MN 23/MN 67 in Granite Falls, very brief.
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39509533_990853967765885_6351609228888637440_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a2525c0cb0e803c9bb123b743074b6c1&oe=5C0035E6)
The stoplight in the distance is US 212, the end of the concurrency.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2482/3772248601_88b84487f9_z_d.jpg)
Bristow, OK
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5714/22561388699_ec91b7194d_z_d.jpg)
Hamburg, AR
Quote from: US71 on August 19, 2018, 01:58:05 PM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2482/3772248601_88b84487f9_z_d.jpg)
Bristow, OK
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5714/22561388699_ec91b7194d_z_d.jpg)
Hamburg, AR
Along with US-425 being a violator.
This post (https://www.usends.com/blog/three-way-wrong-way-overlaps) has several examples of three-direction US route concurrencies.
I-77/81 is the one I'm most familiar with, since I used to take 81 to get between my college town in Northwest GA and DC, after I graduated college and moved to DC.
There is the I-25/US 84/US 285 concurrency in New Mexico as well. Coming into Santa Fe, you are traveling south on I-25 (US 85), north on US 285, and west on US 84.
Unfortunately, I don't think any of the concurrent US highways are signed. It is New Mexico, after all.
Quote from: US 89 on August 21, 2018, 08:59:35 AM
...Coming into Santa Fe, you are traveling south on I-25 (US 85), north on US 285, and west on US 84.
Actually NM signs US 84 as a north-south route north of Ft. Sumner, so (if it was signed) that would be north on 84. I think it
should still be west on US 84 at that point, but as you said...
Quote
...it is New Mexico, after all.
Quote from: usends on August 21, 2018, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: US 89 on August 21, 2018, 08:59:35 AM
...Coming into Santa Fe, you are traveling south on I-25 (US 85), north on US 285, and west on US 84.
Actually NM signs US 84 as a north-south route north of Ft. Sumner, so (if it was signed) that would be north on 84. I think it should still be west on US 84 at that point, but as you said...
Quote
...it is New Mexico, after all.
I had forgotten about that. Took me forever to figure out that the exit numbers on the 84/285 freeway were based on a north-south US 84 with a zero milepost in Fort Sumner—in the middle of the route. :pan:
A couple of New York examples:
NY 34/NY 34B, Lansing: https://goo.gl/maps/atmiEtUegSq (Added bonus of also being a suffixed route overlapping its' parent)
NY 54/NY 415, Bath: https://goo.gl/maps/rfNeM28ipmiXZmBLA
NY 78/NY 98, Java: https://goo.gl/maps/Qv5KvAv3zk92
There's a short wrong-way concurrency in Middleburg, Snider County, Pennsylvania.
U.S. 522 (signed North-South but really running East-West here) runs wrong-way (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/40.7920159,-77.0461225/40.7884443,-77.0435654/@40.7882494,-77.0488869,16z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) with PA-104 for a few blocks through town.
There are two places in Wisconsin that I know of that have three different directions: I-39, US-51, US-10, and WI-66 near Stevens Point; and I-41, I-43, and I-894 in south Milwaukee. There may be more.
In Owen Sound, ON, Highway 6 and 21 have a wrong-way concurrency. According to thekingshighway.ca (http://www.thekingshighway.ca/PHOTOS/Hwy21photos6.htm), it's the only one on Ontario's provincial highway system.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 27, 2018, 08:07:29 AM
There's a short wrong-way concurrency in Middleburg, Snider County, Pennsylvania.
U.S. 522 (signed North-South but really running East-West here) runs wrong-way (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/40.7920159,-77.0461225/40.7884443,-77.0435654/@40.7882494,-77.0488869,16z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) with PA-104 for a few blocks through town.
US 209 Business and PA 611 are wrong way through Stroudsburg for two blocks. From Ninth the Seventh Street the former US 209 and US 611 concurred with both being N-S routes.
Surprised no one's mentioned I-80/I-580 in Berkeley, where the parent 2di is wrong-way multiplexed with a spur.
https://www.floodgap.com/iv/2247
Quote from: 1 on May 02, 2018, 05:41:21 AMRI 114 with itself
:confused: Whereabouts is this one?
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 01, 2019, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 02, 2018, 05:41:21 AMRI 114 with itself
:confused: Whereabouts is this one?
↓ See below ↓
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
Google Maps doesn't show it and signage is severely lacking, which is probably why. RI-114 has a crazily circuitous route through town, such that both directions of travel officially use the same short one-way segment of Broadway (https://goo.gl/maps/3YfJrcijc8k).
There's also a short segment of US 60 in, I believe, Newport News, where westbound US 60 runs concurrently with eastbound US 60 for a short distance.
^^^^
Is that signed??
Quote from: hbelkins on May 06, 2019, 04:02:13 PM
There's also a short segment of US 60 in, I believe, Newport News, where westbound US 60 runs concurrently with eastbound US 60 for a short distance.
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on May 06, 2019, 09:05:52 PM
^^^^
Is that signed??
Here you go. (https://goo.gl/maps/uAYBVGhkydc4avRd6)
^^^
Outstanding! :bigass:
^^
That's a very strange setup, especially because westbound US-60 (apparently) does not run on Huntington, instead doing a sort of U-turn, to the north, between 28th and 29th before going over to Warwick.
Wouldn't this be better?
[TO]
[EAST] [WEST]
[US-60] [US-60]
[<--] [<--]
Quote from: jakeroot on May 06, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
^^
That's a very strange setup, especially because westbound US-60 (apparently) does not run on Huntington, instead doing a sort of U-turn, to the north, between 28th and 29th before going over to Warwick.
That U-turn between 28th and 29th has a "TO" banner. US 60 West is signed at Jefferson to cross on the 26th Street bridge, then left on Huntington and then left on 23rd, which becomes Warwick. None of these signs have "TO" banners.
Quote from: dfilpus on May 08, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 06, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
^^
That's a very strange setup, especially because westbound US-60 (apparently) does not run on Huntington, instead doing a sort of U-turn, to the north, between 28th and 29th before going over to Warwick.
That U-turn between 28th and 29th has a "TO" banner. US 60 West is signed at Jefferson to cross on the 26th Street bridge, then left on Huntington and then left on 23rd, which becomes Warwick. None of these signs have "TO" banners.
Seems needlessly complex. Not sure why it wouldn't just follow that U-turn route.
Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 01, 2019, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 02, 2018, 05:41:21 AMRI 114 with itself
:confused: Whereabouts is this one?
↓ See below ↓
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
Google Maps doesn't show it and signage is severely lacking, which is probably why. RI-114 has a crazily circuitous route through town, such that both directions of travel officially use the same short one-way segment of Broadway (https://goo.gl/maps/3YfJrcijc8k).
If that short stretch is actually part of RI 114 for either direction; I'd be very surprised.
Looking at Google Maps (granted, such
could be incorrect); one would
think that RI 114 northbound after crossing under I-95 would follow School St. to Broadway (left) to Main St. where it crosses the Blackstone River and turn right onto High St.
RI 114 southbound runs along the one-way portion of Main St. north of High St. (114 northbound) and continues along the two-way portion across the Blackstone River and turns right at the next intersection (School St.(?)) and crosses under I-95.
Note: RI 114 has a short concurrency w/RI 15 between School St. and Goff Ave.
Unless it was once an old routing and based on the above-description; how in the world would RI 114 be on Broadway northeast of School St.?
Additionally, I have to believe that this trailblazer assembly w/RI 15 and
NORTH 114 signage along Underwood St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.878858,-71.3780465,3a,75y,13.88h,71.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so2OZB6LdLmUo7aRM6Jxkjw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is erroneous. One can't even make a right turn onto Exchange St.; where the erroneous trailblazer sign indicates that such is RI 15 eastbound.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 08, 2019, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: dfilpus on May 08, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 06, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
^^
That's a very strange setup, especially because westbound US-60 (apparently) does not run on Huntington, instead doing a sort of U-turn, to the north, between 28th and 29th before going over to Warwick.
That U-turn between 28th and 29th has a "TO" banner. US 60 West is signed at Jefferson to cross on the 26th Street bridge, then left on Huntington and then left on 23rd, which becomes Warwick. None of these signs have "TO" banners.
Seems needlessly complex. Not sure why it wouldn't just follow that U-turn route.
Agreed. Google Maps (not Streetview) has US 60 West turning right on Jefferson, left on 28th, around the U-turn and finally left on Warwick. The left at 28th and the left onto Warwick are not signed. The traffic logs have US 60 West on 26th until Warwick and on Warwick north of 26th, which requires vertical travel to follow the route.
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 08, 2019, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 01, 2019, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 02, 2018, 05:41:21 AMRI 114 with itself
:confused: Whereabouts is this one?
↓ See below ↓
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
Google Maps doesn't show it and signage is severely lacking, which is probably why. RI-114 has a crazily circuitous route through town, such that both directions of travel officially use the same short one-way segment of Broadway (https://goo.gl/maps/3YfJrcijc8k).
If that short stretch is actually part of RI 114 for either direction; I'd be very surprised.
Looking at Google Maps (granted, such could be incorrect); one would think that RI 114 northbound after crossing under I-95 would follow School St. to Broadway (left) to Main St. where it crosses the Blackstone River and turn right onto High St.
RI 114 southbound runs along the one-way portion of Main St. north of High St. (114 northbound) and continues along the two-way portion across the Blackstone River and turns right at the next intersection (School St.(?)) and crosses under I-95.
Note: RI 114 has a short concurrency w/RI 15 between School St. and Goff Ave.
Unless it was once an old routing and based on the above-description; how in the world would RI 114 be on Broadway northeast of School St.?
Additionally, I have to believe that this trailblazer assembly w/RI 15 and NORTH 114 signage along Underwood St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.878858,-71.3780465,3a,75y,13.88h,71.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so2OZB6LdLmUo7aRM6Jxkjw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is erroneous. One can't even make a right turn onto Exchange St.; where the erroneous trailblazer sign indicates that such is RI 15 eastbound.
I mapped that stretch based on the official routing of RI-114.
Quote from: kphoger on May 08, 2019, 05:06:37 PMI mapped that stretch based on the official routing of RI-114.
Forgive me for being skeptical; but is there an
actual document source or
official map that shows that oddball routing? No offense to anyone here, I'm not talking about blogs or hobby-enthusiast's sites (like this one) which was what I got via a Google search; but an actual, official site. I even tried RIDOT but I couldn't even find a decent map on their website that actually shows how RI 114 (& even RI 15) is routed through Pawtucket.
Note: the Wiki account only shows someone's Google Map trip routings circa 2011-2012.
What's currently shown on Google Maps, correct or not, appears to be the most logical & direct routing of RI 114 through Pawtucket.
Quote from: dfilpus on May 08, 2019, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 08, 2019, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: dfilpus on May 08, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 06, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
^^
That's a very strange setup, especially because westbound US-60 (apparently) does not run on Huntington, instead doing a sort of U-turn, to the north, between 28th and 29th before going over to Warwick.
That U-turn between 28th and 29th has a "TO" banner. US 60 West is signed at Jefferson to cross on the 26th Street bridge, then left on Huntington and then left on 23rd, which becomes Warwick. None of these signs have "TO" banners.
Seems needlessly complex. Not sure why it wouldn't just follow that U-turn route.
Agreed. Google Maps (not Streetview) has US 60 West turning right on Jefferson, left on 28th, around the U-turn and finally left on Warwick. The left at 28th and the left onto Warwick are not signed. The traffic logs have US 60 West on 26th until Warwick and on Warwick north of 26th, which requires vertical travel to follow the route.
Google Maps pretty much got this whole thing screwed up (as you noted, what's seen in Streetview is indeed correct). Really the only point of that u-turn is so traffic originating from VA 143 WB can access US 60 WB (and also the northern end of the Shipyard) more efficiency. US 60 really does multiplex with itself.
Open Street Map (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/41.8790/-71.3821) makes a little more sense, because at least they distinguish state routes in orange. 114 makes a figure 8, then connects back crossing over itself.
I want to know why in Downtown there three public libraries within a block of each other.
CT 57 and CT 107 in Wilton
CT 71 and CT 150 in Wallingford
CT 97 and CT 169 near the Taftville section of Norwich
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 08, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 08, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
I mapped that stretch based on the official routing of RI-114.
Forgive me for being skeptical; but is there an actual document source or official map that shows that oddball routing? No offense to anyone here, I'm not talking about blogs or hobby-enthusiast's sites (like this one) which was what I got via a Google search; but an actual, official site. I even tried RIDOT but I couldn't even find a decent map on their website that actually shows how RI 114 (& even RI 15) is routed through Pawtucket.
Note: the Wiki account only shows someone's Google Map trip routings circa 2011-2012.
What's currently shown on Google Maps, correct or not, appears to be the most logical & direct routing of RI 114 through Pawtucket.
Doggone it, I can't for the life of me find the document I used to trace the route back when I made that original post.
I-73 / I-85 near Greensboro, NC, though it's a very short concurrency, and technically they could be considered as two separate roadways.
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 13, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
I-73 / I-85 near Greensboro, NC, though it's a very short concurrency, and technically they could be considered as two separate roadways.
They could have made a better design because i'm not sure what they were thinking that time, I-73 should have directly went to I-85 at the interchange like this
http://prntscr.com/p5x448
Obviously some bad engineer designed the interchange like that. In my screenshot, this is how the freeway should have went and it would be up to interstate standards also.
If you make a fictional plan about it, I would love to see it!
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 13, 2019, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 13, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
I-73 / I-85 near Greensboro, NC, though it's a very short concurrency, and technically they could be considered as two separate roadways.
They could have made a better design because i'm not sure what they were thinking that time, I-73 should have directly went to I-85 at the interchange like this
http://prntscr.com/p5x448
Obviously some bad engineer designed the interchange like that. In my screenshot, this is how the freeway should have went and it would be up to interstate standards also.
If you make a fictional plan about it, I would love to see it!
The US-220 / I-73 freeway existed long before the I-85 / I-73 Greensboro Loop portion did. I-73 was never intended to follow the loop, but rather go up to I-40 and follow I-40 to NC-68 northwards. That's why a major flyover exists from US-220 North to I-40 West, but not where I-73 nowadays officially turns.
I agree though, there needs to be a high-speed flyover instead of the 25 MPH loop.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2018, 03:21:45 AM
I-44/OK-3 around the west side of OKC.
I remember that one from when I lived in OKC. It makes for this amusingly confusing sign-- the West East West East West part has to be boggling to people that don't know the area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4613021,-97.5601324,3a,75y,259.81h,91.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNt1C3DOBXYIUL8lsjgeksQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: theline on May 03, 2018, 12:47:52 AM
South Bend: https://goo.gl/maps/UrU4EnKAHHT2 (https://goo.gl/maps/UrU4EnKAHHT2)
They share pavement on Sample from Lincolnway to Main Street.
Was just on this stretch of road Saturday heading home from the game.
Quote from: kphoger on May 09, 2019, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 08, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 08, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
I mapped that stretch based on the official routing of RI-114.
Forgive me for being skeptical; but is there an actual document source or official map that shows that oddball routing? No offense to anyone here, I'm not talking about blogs or hobby-enthusiast's sites (like this one) which was what I got via a Google search; but an actual, official site. I even tried RIDOT but I couldn't even find a decent map on their website that actually shows how RI 114 (& even RI 15) is routed through Pawtucket.
Note: the Wiki account only shows someone's Google Map trip routings circa 2011-2012.
What's currently shown on Google Maps, correct or not, appears to be the most logical & direct routing of RI 114 through Pawtucket.
Doggone it, I can't for the life of me find the document I used to trace the route back when I made that original post.
I keep coming back to this...
While I cannot seem to confirm the following assertion, I think it's worth mentioning here.
Quote from: Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Rhode Island/Comparison of sources for numbered routes in Rhode Island
Rhode Island is in a fairly unique situation in the United States in that the different sections of the Rhode Island Department of Transportation (RIDOT) sometimes disagree about what roads are numbered State Highways. The differing sources include signage on the roads themselves (which is often sporadic or nonexistent), GIS data supplied to RIGIS from RIDOT, maps on RIDOT's website, and RIDOT's pavement management division.
...
RIDOT's Pavement Management division produces a log for internal use in helping workers travel the numbered highways to assess pavement quality. The following observations are from a 2001 copy of the log. The "RINO" field of the "1:5,000 Roads" GIS data layer is largely equivalent to these descriptions, and as a whole these are the closest match to actual signage. When those two are compared, the pavement log agrees with signage in the majority or cases where the two sources disagree.
...
At least two cities, Pawtucket and Woonsocket, keep logs of their own.
Pawtucket
Pawtucket's data agrees with RIDOT's except in two cases. ... A similar configuration exists with Route 114, where Pawtucket gives it a straighter route.
So it appears the official RIDOT routing would be found in the Pavement Log, while the city of Pawtucket's own log disagrees. Someone would need to obtain a copy of those two items in order to confirm or deny.
US 80 and 280 have a wrong-way concurrency in Phenix City, Alabama (yes, the spelling is correct). Both routes are also concurrent with US 431.
Quote from: US 89 on October 01, 2019, 05:06:22 PM
US 80 and 280 have a wrong-way concurrency in Phenix City, Alabama (yes, the spelling is correct). Both routes are also concurrent with US 431.
Shield assembly GSV
here (https://goo.gl/maps/mXJLNE9qBnUv1fwg7).
I realize this is an old thread, but since it's a "compilation", and I can't find a better place to put it, here's one that I somehow never knew about until just now: NY 78/NY 98 in Java, NY (https://goo.gl/maps/W1cU2qceuCR9b6JQ7).
Minnesota's only one, MN 23 and MN 67 south of Granite Falls, will get a couple miles longer this fall as MN 67 is permanently rerouted to bypass a current long-term closure.
Surprised that nobody ever mentioned the wrong-way concurrency in West Virginia that keeps changing: WV-817 (north-and-south) and WV-34 (south-and-north) between the Winfield Toll Bridge and the Winfield Locks. Originally, it was WV-17 (north-and-south) but after the Silver Bridge Disaster it became US-35 (north-and-south).
The wrong-way concurrency on the other side of the Winfield Toll Bridge only changed once. Originally US-35 (north-and-south) and WV-34 (south-and-north), but after the Silver Bridge Disaster US-35 became WV-62 (north-and-south). So that gives you two different wrong-way concurrencies between US-35 (north-and-south) and WV-34 (south-and-north) separated by the Kanawha River (and time).
Perhaps I should add the wrong-way concurrency on the north side of the river is a bit odd. The concurrency between WV-62 northbound and WV-34 southbound runs between Red House and the Winfield Toll Bridge. But WV-62 southbound bypasses underneath the bridge, meaning that there is a short stretch [east] of the Winfield Toll Bridge where one lane is WV-62(N)/WV-34(S) and the other lane of the same road only carries WV-34 northbound. [West] of the bridge, WV-62 is a one-way pair.
And of course, there haven't been any tolls on the Winfield Toll Bridge since 1978. There's a funny story when the bridge was being reconstructed in 2010 where WVDOH posted signs that the "Winfield Toll Bridge" would "reopen by August 20". That unleashed a whole bunch of concern by not-so-local residents that the bridge would also charge tolls. It is one of the few remaining Warren Truss bridges of any significant length, and therefore is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.
Québec has a handful of those.
- A-55 NB/QC 143 SB (with A-20 EB) in Drummondville
- QC 101 NB/QC 117 SB in Rouyn-Noranda
- QC 132 EB/QC 234 WB near Mont-Joli
- QC 143 NB/QC 243 SB (with QC 116 WB) in Richmond
- QC 219 NB/QC 221 SB in Napierville
Two in Adirondack Park:
NY 3/NY 86 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/UuBBR82WanTbi4A9A) in Saranac Lake.
NY 9N/NY 22 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/ry53brtEjtHzcXAx5) in Keeseville.
A few more from NY:
US-9/NY-9N in Elizabethtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2124148,-73.5984358,3a,37.6y,75.41h,86.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLkwf-nCNM3RHz1iXIlPeXA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NY-28/NY-30 from Blue Mountain Lake to Indian Lake (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8570133,-74.4306013,3a,15y,128.58h,89.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shJGixtyuVIK6FHiKWc_flQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
US-9/NY-8 from Loon Lake to Chestertown (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6562134,-73.800814,3a,32.8y,279.37h,91.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9pF5zIr1JQIKoGykG0q-Kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NY-8/NY-28 in Poland (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2312264,-75.0894155,3a,43.1y,129h,89.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssWM5HTZDeSAcGCZzDIDaeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
NY-30/NY-145 in Middleburgh (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5994396,-74.3362133,3a,75y,313.19h,95.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syQERE7CVMmQ58dgAVCuHXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
US-9W/NY-32 in Kingston (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9416398,-73.9869864,3a,16.4y,45.9h,89.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s12QJ7CvfAIPYDu7HSf_hqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
US-202/NY-59 in Suffern (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1160993,-74.1545053,3a,43.1y,8.76h,92.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sROnYfi6z2RlNubGrGhCfrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NY-17B/NY-52 in Fosterdale (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7072944,-74.9714966,3a,39.3y,339.94h,90.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy1hUAAiFk9cxwxTw3AHvtA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
NY-17M/NY-211 in Middletown (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4481289,-74.4312316,3a,41.2y,103.65h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOFaYma8LseTTx5feh0zh5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
US-20/NY-146 in Guilderland (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7078751,-73.9225609,3a,48.7y,332.67h,88.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ4HluTrA7iYkRmN_Kty9vg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I-890/NY-7 in Rotterdam (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7597001,-73.931758,3a,18.1y,163h,88.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sItBjusztwVCwZUB1NYL5hQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NY-8/NY-30 east of Speculator (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.44555,-74.2525299,3a,32.7y,22.77h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s46B5kP68BEif4o8d3N7P3A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
US-11/NY-56 in Potsdam (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.6727839,-74.986924,3a,43.1y,219.4h,93.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suU0tXiO4895Sb_l5g7ul4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I-278/Grand Central Parkway in Astoria (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7688396,-73.9077387,3a,17.3y,302.69h,90.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shKKmo4ujtCFyJQNVK4sqEQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I forgot a Michigan one earlier: M-96 and BL I-94 in Battle Creek. (They also have a separate same-way concurrency on the east side of town.)
(https://i.imgur.com/PU6atPG.jpg)
In Bemus Point, NY
https://goo.gl/maps/8AfLutWx51bKQpq39 (https://goo.gl/maps/8AfLutWx51bKQpq39)
This is EAST NY-430 and WEST Chautauqua CR 44. The road is going southwest at this point.
I've yet to see US 127/US 421 in Frankfort, KY, mentioned.
It's very, very short, and the signage calling it out wasn't replaced after construction on the road, but US-42 and OH-257 in the Columbus area falls into this as well. US-42 is irritatingly marked north-south, and OH-257 jogs to cross the Scioto River in order to run between Dublin and Prospect - so when you're following the jog on OH-257 to keep going south, you're taking US-42 north to do so. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2419904,-83.1476502,15z?entry=ttu (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2419904,-83.1476502,15z?entry=ttu)
As a completely irrelevant curiosity related to OH-257...for years, Google Maps navigation would tell you to turn onto "Dublin-Prospect Rd" when giving directions for Riverside Dr (the common name for much of OH-257). Dublin-Prospect Rd isn't signed anywhere along that road, but does actually exist on OH-745. That's the route number for the physical road on the other side of the Scioto River which, north of US-42, becomes the rest of OH-257 after the latter does its wrong-way concurrency jog.
Quote from: johnandmegh on August 12, 2023, 01:36:11 AM
It's very, very short, and the signage calling it out wasn't replaced after construction on the road, but US-42 and OH-257 in the Columbus area falls into this as well. US-42 is irritatingly marked north-south, and OH-257 jogs to cross the Scioto River in order to run between Dublin and Prospect - so when you're following the jog on OH-257 to keep going south, you're taking US-42 north to do so. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2419904,-83.1476502,15z?entry=ttu (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2419904,-83.1476502,15z?entry=ttu)
No confirmation assemblies, or directional assemblies with cardinal directions, showing the wrong-way. Boooo.
Speaking of no confirmation assemblies, QC 132 and QC 234 have a wrong-way concurrency near Sainte-Angèle-de-Mérici (as I've mentioned here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=22745.msg2764529#msg2764529)), caused by QC 132 changing directions in Percé. Besides two assemblies (https://goo.gl/maps/TcThCuaW9WVdUXAC9) at the "western" (really northern) junction, there are no assemblies that show the wrong-way concurrency.
And hey, since we're here, here's my own picture of the assembly on QC 132 EB:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53119431015_1f779d0a6c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oVYYbT)QC 132 EB at QC 234 (https://flic.kr/p/2oVYYbT) by Liliana Vess (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lilianauwu/), on Flickr
I mentioned QC 101 and QC 117 in Rouyn-Noranda a while ago, and I ended up there today, so I took a picture of the confirmation assembly west of town:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53480413925_c8f2e59ac2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ptT6Qa)QC 101 SB and QC 117 NB, Rouyn-Noranda - 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2ptT6Qa) by Liliana Vess (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lilianauwu/), on Flickr
US 11 actually has a couple of short wrong-way concurrencies in Alabama that I don't believe have been mentioned yet. One is in Attalla where US 278 and US 431 run concurrently with US 11 between the downtown and the ATN's line to the southwest of there, with US 431 running the "wrong-way" on this concurrency. The other is with AL 35 in Fort Payne.
One I didn't mention is QC 111/QC 395 in Amos... which I found out when I got on it.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53491709076_7ace729499_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2puSZu9)QC 111 SB and QC 395 NB, Amos - 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2puSZu9) by Liliana Vess (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lilianauwu/), on Flickr
There's also QC 117 NB and QC 311 SB in Lac-des-Écorces, which is brief and barely signed.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 22, 2024, 08:29:34 PM
US 11 actually has a couple of short wrong-way concurrencies in Alabama that I don't believe have been mentioned yet. One is in Attalla where US 278 and US 431 run concurrently with US 11 between the downtown and the ATN's line to the southwest of there, with US 431 running the "wrong-way" on this concurrency. The other is with AL 35 in Fort Payne.
Gadsden
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7878/33490573878_ed705be1e5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T2rWPy)
Fort Payne
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48967884507_7a8c065d75_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hB8d3P)