There wasn't a thread about the recent floods who hit Western Iowa and Eastern Nebraska and flooded parts of I-29. I spotted some articles about it.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article228226729.html
https://www.3newsnow.com/news/local-news/aerial-footage-shows-flooding-over-i-29
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/southbound-interstate-29-reopened-from-council-bluffs-to-us-34
The Spencer Dam on the Niobrara River in northern Nebraska was washed away, with flooding destroying several bridges downstream, including the US 281 bridge.
(https://i.imgur.com/jWI29qX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3IZHOQl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AyK1axD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uFr1TiN.jpg)
Photos by governor Pete Ricketts
The freeway segment between US 6 and US 275 near Omaha has been destroyed. According to Google Earth this segment is numbered State Road 28B. It crosses the Elkhorn River.
(https://i.imgur.com/4Me5ypT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MYwBBzU.jpg)
Photos by the Nebraska National Guard
Quote from: Chris on March 24, 2019, 02:05:21 PM
The freeway segment between US 6 and US 275 near Omaha has been destroyed. According to Google Earth this segment is numbered State Road 28B.
Link 28B. The 28 defines what county it is in, and the B means it is the second link in the county.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nebraska_Connecting_Link,_Spur,_and_Recreation_Highways
Shit.
Quote from: Brandon on March 24, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: Chris on March 24, 2019, 02:05:21 PM
The freeway segment between US 6 and US 275 near Omaha has been destroyed. According to Google Earth this segment is numbered State Road 28B.
Link 28B. The 28 defines what county it is in, and the B means it is the second link in the county.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nebraska_Connecting_Link,_Spur,_and_Recreation_Highways
But it still is a state highway.
Quote from: Verlanka on March 25, 2019, 08:09:37 AM
Quote from: Brandon on March 24, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: Chris on March 24, 2019, 02:05:21 PM
The freeway segment between US 6 and US 275 near Omaha has been destroyed. According to Google Earth this segment is numbered State Road 28B.
Link 28B. The 28 defines what county it is in, and the B means it is the second link in the county.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nebraska_Connecting_Link,_Spur,_and_Recreation_Highways
But it still is a state highway.
Yes, a secondary state highway. The links (LxxA) and spurs (SxxA) are Nebraska's secondary state route system. And like it says on the box, they link state routes together, or they are spurs from a state route to somewhere like a town or park.
Quote from: Chris on March 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
The Spencer Dam on the Niobrara River in northern Nebraska was washed away, with flooding destroying several bridges downstream, including the US 281 bridge.
Holy Crap.
Quote from: Chris on March 24, 2019, 02:05:21 PM
The freeway segment between US 6 and US 275 near Omaha has been destroyed. According to Google Earth this segment is numbered State Road 28B. It crosses the Elkhorn River.
(https://i.imgur.com/MYwBBzU.jpg)
Photos by the Nebraska National Guard
The pavement damage shown in that photo appears to have been caused by headwaters (flash flooding). I was under the impression that the flooding issue along the Missouri River was due to backwater (the river overflowing its banks and backing up into valleys.)
Quote from: hbelkins on March 28, 2019, 03:43:24 PM
The pavement damage shown in that photo appears to have been caused by headwaters (flash flooding). I was under the impression that the flooding issue along the Missouri River was due to backwater (the river overflowing its banks and backing up into valleys.)
With all the rain that happened, in addition to the snow melt, there was plenty of both kinds to go around.
https://www.omaha.com/news/public-safety/state-oks-emergency-repairs-to-flood-damaged-roads-around-omaha/article_6ac4bb3c-481c-54ce-86db-c53af267c630.html
Northwest of Omaha...
http://www.enterprisepub.com/public/highways-closed-indefinitely/article_20731478-5171-11e9-ad03-73800b0c553d.html?fbclid=IwAR16MYEjvYS3RtAXha9cF2_4GTpi9fg3ERkJ36Xlc0kxhgAa6KI1IyFBT70
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/enterprisepub.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/ee/3eedd280-5171-11e9-8585-53e8ee1d92a5/5c9ced64c68c1.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C783)
Apparently the flooding's going to get worse before it gets better. My train was rerouted from its typical line across southern Iowa (crossing at Burlington) onto a Union Pacific line that crosses at Clinton and roughly parallels US 30 across the state. I didn't see any evidence of flooding getting dangerously close to the line on either side of the Missouri (we paralleled I-29 from Missouri Valley south to near the I-80 crossing), but when we got to California on Monday night (actually Tuesday morning) the return train was only going to go as far east as Denver, and not on to Omaha.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 29, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
Apparently the flooding's going to get worse before it gets better. My train was rerouted from its typical line across southern Iowa (crossing at Burlington) onto a Union Pacific line that crosses at Clinton and roughly parallels US 30 across the state. I didn't see any evidence of flooding getting dangerously close to the line on either side of the Missouri (we paralleled I-29 from Missouri Valley south to near the I-80 crossing), but when we got to California on Monday night (actually Tuesday morning) the return train was only going to go as far east as Denver, and not on to Omaha.
Trains magazine was reporting that Amtrak trains were bypassing Omaha until further notice. A westbound California Zephyr was re-routed south.
Things might get worse, there's another monster winter storm coming.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-10/its-spring-and-monster-winter-storm-about-punish-central-us
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on April 10, 2019, 10:24:04 PM
Things might get worse, there's another monster winter storm coming.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-10/its-spring-and-monster-winter-storm-about-punish-central-us
While it's hard to push a POV regarding weather, I would still be wary of that website.
The detour route for I-29, between Missouri Valley (US 30) and Council Bluffs, is having its own issues right now.
https://www.wowt.com/content/news/HEARTLAND-FLOOD-Big-concerns-for-small-Iowa-town-508354041.html?fbclid=IwAR0UrCWKgjdz4YyffvGuUBMjDeccpil_j1T38otW1mkBbI9d3tmlU1J7LG8
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 10, 2019, 10:55:10 PM
The detour route for I-29, between Missouri Valley (US 30) and Council Bluffs, is having its own issues right now.
https://www.wowt.com/content/news/HEARTLAND-FLOOD-Big-concerns-for-small-Iowa-town-508354041.html?fbclid=IwAR0UrCWKgjdz4YyffvGuUBMjDeccpil_j1T38otW1mkBbI9d3tmlU1J7LG8
Actually, there are -- or were -- more trains using that line. That's the detour route that Amtrak used between Chicago and Omaha. The Amtrak line actually used UP locomotives and engineers because they were familiar with the route, and they changed in Omaha to the regular Amtrak equipment.
From recent travels: The I-29 detour is being signed on I-80 using only the overhead permanent and temporary changeable message boards. Out near Council Bluffs there a few new full color CMS's being used for the detour/closure with I-29 shields shown. IIRC the first mention of the closure is near Grinnell on I-80 WB.
I-29 scheduled to re-open in June: https://www.wowt.com/content/news/I-29-repairs-from-US-34-to-Missouri-begin---reopening-expected-in-June-508756911.html
Article from last week: https://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/interstate-route-to-kansas-city-is-targeted-to-reopen-in/article_52e6e198-0f35-58f5-b97a-d8e3dfddf173.html
Couple of photos I took of the Missouri River (into Iowa) from Plattemouth, Neb. last week.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47663336941_a9cf2ff11d_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46939245524_45a78d858f_z.jpg)
And yes, I found traffic on US 75, between US 36 (in Kansas) and Omaha to be heavier than it should, due to I-29's closure.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 21, 2019, 08:49:11 PM
And yes, I found traffic on US 75, between US 36 (in Kansas) and Omaha to be heavier than it should, due to I-29's closure.
I ended up taking KS-63/NE-50 from US36 last month when I went up to Omaha. It was a pretty nice drive. The only bad part was being stuck behind a very slow car north of Syracuse, but it worked out because the place I was going to is a mile from NE-50.
I-29 re-opened with some lane restrictions: https://www.news.iowadot.gov/newsandinfo/2019/05/mobility-restored-to-flood-damaged-i-29-and-iowa-2-in-southwest-iowa.html
That didn't last long... I-29 is closed again, at least from St. Joseph to the Iowa border: https://www.modot.org/2019-northwest-missouri-flooding
Quote from: ModernDayWarrior on May 29, 2019, 03:06:58 AM
That didn't last long... I-29 is closed again, at least from St. Joseph to the Iowa border: https://www.modot.org/2019-northwest-missouri-flooding
At least it held off till after the long weekend lol. I don't plan on going back up the road till the Labor Day weekend. Hopefully it's open by then?? (knock on wood)
I knew NE DOT plan to upgrade US-75 from Nebraska City to Murray as a 4-lane divided expressway. https://dot.nebraska.gov/media/5786/us-75-from-nebraska-city-to-murrary.pdf I won't be surprised to see a alternate corridor combining US-75 and US-73 between Omaha and Kansas City might act as "Alternate I-29" when I-29 is flooded.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on May 30, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
I knew NE DOT plan to upgrade US-75 from Nebraska City to the Murray as a 4-lane divided expressway. https://dot.nebraska.gov/media/5786/us-75-from-nebraska-city-to-murrary.pdf I won't be surprised to see a alternate corridor combining US-75 and US-73 between Omaha and Kansas City might act as "Alternate I-29" when I-29 is flooded.
The upgrading of US 75 from Nebraska City to Murray is proceeding in three phases:
https://www.acppubs.com/articles/hawkins-construction-company-partners-with-nebraska-dot-to-convert-us-75-into-four-lane-expressway
Quote from: splashflash on April 24, 2022, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on May 30, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
I knew NE DOT plan to upgrade US-75 from Nebraska City to the Murray as a 4-lane divided expressway. https://dot.nebraska.gov/media/5786/us-75-from-nebraska-city-to-murrary.pdf I won't be surprised to see a alternate corridor combining US-75 and US-73 between Omaha and Kansas City might act as "Alternate I-29" when I-29 is flooded.
The upgrading of US 75 from Nebraska City to Murray is proceeding in three phases:
https://www.acppubs.com/articles/hawkins-construction-company-partners-with-nebraska-dot-to-convert-us-75-into-four-lane-expressway
People were already using US75 South of Nebraska City when that flood happened as I-29 was pretty much closed north of St. Joseph/Mound City vicinity. I remembered reading articles back then saying that the traffic was pretty bad through the towns along that stretch.
IMO, NDOT and KDOT should plan (at minimum) to add passing lanes along the road between NE-2 and US36, when funding allows, for whenever the next flood event happens. A 4 lane expressway would be preferred but that's probably too expensive to do at once.
Btw, that year I took U36 west from St. Joseph out to Seneca and then K-8/NE-50 as that was closer to where I was heading in Omaha. It wasn't too bad except for when I got stuck behind some slow vehicles north of Syracuse.
Quote from: mvak36 on April 25, 2022, 08:20:03 AM
Quote from: splashflash on April 24, 2022, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on May 30, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
I knew NE DOT plan to upgrade US-75 from Nebraska City to the Murray as a 4-lane divided expressway. https://dot.nebraska.gov/media/5786/us-75-from-nebraska-city-to-murrary.pdf I won't be surprised to see a alternate corridor combining US-75 and US-73 between Omaha and Kansas City might act as "Alternate I-29" when I-29 is flooded.
The upgrading of US 75 from Nebraska City to Murray is proceeding in three phases:
https://www.acppubs.com/articles/hawkins-construction-company-partners-with-nebraska-dot-to-convert-us-75-into-four-lane-expressway
People were already using US75 South of Nebraska City when that flood happened as I-29 was pretty much closed north of St. Joseph/Mound City vicinity. I remembered reading articles back then saying that the traffic was pretty bad through the towns along that stretch.
IMO, NDOT and KDOT should plan (at minimum) to add passing lanes along the road between NE-2 and US36, when funding allows, for whenever the next flood event happens. A 4 lane expressway would be preferred but that's probably too expensive to do at once.
Btw, that year I took U36 west from St. Joseph out to Seneca and then K-8/NE-50 as that was closer to where I was heading in Omaha. It wasn't too bad except for when I got stuck behind some slow vehicles north of Syracuse.
If I remember right there's some passing lanes in Nebraska, and it's fairly easy to pass on the Kansas side.
Quote from: SD Mapman on April 25, 2022, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on April 25, 2022, 08:20:03 AM
Quote from: splashflash on April 24, 2022, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on May 30, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
I knew NE DOT plan to upgrade US-75 from Nebraska City to the Murray as a 4-lane divided expressway. https://dot.nebraska.gov/media/5786/us-75-from-nebraska-city-to-murrary.pdf I won't be surprised to see a alternate corridor combining US-75 and US-73 between Omaha and Kansas City might act as "Alternate I-29" when I-29 is flooded.
The upgrading of US 75 from Nebraska City to Murray is proceeding in three phases:
https://www.acppubs.com/articles/hawkins-construction-company-partners-with-nebraska-dot-to-convert-us-75-into-four-lane-expressway
People were already using US75 South of Nebraska City when that flood happened as I-29 was pretty much closed north of St. Joseph/Mound City vicinity. I remembered reading articles back then saying that the traffic was pretty bad through the towns along that stretch.
IMO, NDOT and KDOT should plan (at minimum) to add passing lanes along the road between NE-2 and US36, when funding allows, for whenever the next flood event happens. A 4 lane expressway would be preferred but that's probably too expensive to do at once.
Btw, that year I took U36 west from St. Joseph out to Seneca and then K-8/NE-50 as that was closer to where I was heading in Omaha. It wasn't too bad except for when I got stuck behind some slow vehicles north of Syracuse.
If I remember right there's some passing lanes in Nebraska, and it's fairly easy to pass on the Kansas side.
There probably are. I haven't been on that stretch since the 2011 floods so I can't remember if they did or not. I know it's far away but if they ever finish the Nebraska Expressway System, I think NDOT should consider making US75 from Neb City to the KS border 4 lanes, especially if these flood events are going to become more common.
Quote from: mvak36 on April 25, 2022, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: SD Mapman on April 25, 2022, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on April 25, 2022, 08:20:03 AM
Quote from: splashflash on April 24, 2022, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on May 30, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
I knew NE DOT plan to upgrade US-75 from Nebraska City to the Murray as a 4-lane divided expressway. https://dot.nebraska.gov/media/5786/us-75-from-nebraska-city-to-murrary.pdf I won't be surprised to see a alternate corridor combining US-75 and US-73 between Omaha and Kansas City might act as "Alternate I-29" when I-29 is flooded.
The upgrading of US 75 from Nebraska City to Murray is proceeding in three phases:
https://www.acppubs.com/articles/hawkins-construction-company-partners-with-nebraska-dot-to-convert-us-75-into-four-lane-expressway
People were already using US75 South of Nebraska City when that flood happened as I-29 was pretty much closed north of St. Joseph/Mound City vicinity. I remembered reading articles back then saying that the traffic was pretty bad through the towns along that stretch.
IMO, NDOT and KDOT should plan (at minimum) to add passing lanes along the road between NE-2 and US36, when funding allows, for whenever the next flood event happens. A 4 lane expressway would be preferred but that's probably too expensive to do at once.
Btw, that year I took U36 west from St. Joseph out to Seneca and then K-8/NE-50 as that was closer to where I was heading in Omaha. It wasn't too bad except for when I got stuck behind some slow vehicles north of Syracuse.
If I remember right there's some passing lanes in Nebraska, and it's fairly easy to pass on the Kansas side.
There probably are. I haven't been on that stretch since the 2011 floods so I can't remember if they did or not. I know it's far away but if they ever finish the Nebraska Expressway System, I think NDOT should consider making US75 from Neb City to the KS border 4 lanes, especially if these flood events are going to become more common.
Under current planning/construction, US 75 will be 4-lane from Omaha to about 10 miles south of Nebraska City. It would be nice if that continued all the way down to Topeka, but I don't think NDOT or KDOT would have that as a priority.