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Title: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: SkyPesos on July 15, 2021, 10:40:39 AM
Thought this would be useful for new members here, as they're mentioned outside of their respective thread a good amount of times.

Alanland: It does and does not exist at the same time. That's all I can say about it. And something about goats... Here's a better description:
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Alanland is what the Perkins Union renames itself after it secedes from the U.S. Law enforcement is accomplished through swarms of bees. BGSes are red, stoplights are as well. Walmart has to operate under the trade name "Pfangle" for legal reasons. Rattlesnakes are strictly required to register with county governments. The maximum speed limit is 52, the minimum 26, and the relative humidity 75%. The color gray is punishable by death. The official currency is the Numberwang. Alanland has pi houses of parliament, each of which are headed by an executive entitled "The Warbler". The chief executive is "The Grand Unified Alan of Alanland", whose official limousine gets ninety-three rods to the hogshead by statute. The capital is Quindaro and its chief export is Clearview.

(Source: Alanland Tourism and Armoire Standardization Department)

Hypotenuse: The longest side of a right triangle, and in this case, the other two sides of this right triangle are I-290 and I-90/I-94. The official description of it is "the I-90 missing link in Chicago".

I-366: An interstate highway upgrade of Virginia Route 28, and comes with an 85 mph speed limit.

Illinois: The least flat state in the nation.

Anything I'm missing?

EDIT: Removed usernames from definitions.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 11:06:29 AM
Isn't the m.t.r. f.a.q. still up somewhere?
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 15, 2021, 11:33:20 AM
More glossary terms:

2di: 2-digit Interstate, or an Interstate with a number less than 100 (also includes what are technically one-digit Interstates)
3di: 3-digit Interstate, or an Interstate with a number from 100-999
2du: 2-digit US Route, or a US Route with a number from 1-101
3du: 3-digit US Route, or a US Route with a number from 102-999
BGS: Big green sign, usually used over freeways and tollways
Rural expressway:  Divided limited-access highway, having 4 lanes or sometimes more, with grade-separated interchanges at major crossroads and grade crossings at minor crossroads.
Freeway:  A limited-access high-speed highway, free of roadway tolls.
Expressway: Can refer to a rural expressway, or can refer to any high-speed limited-access highway with grade-separated interchanges.
Carriageway: a corridor of pavement carrying traffic moving in one certain direction, usually separate from another such corridor moving in the opposite direction.  One stretch of divided highway will consist of two carriageways, or sometimes more.
DDI:  Diverging Diamond Interchange (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverging_diamond_interchange)
SPUI:  Single-Point Urban Interchange (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-point_urban_interchange)
FHWA:  Can refer to the Federal Highway Administration or their official font, considered the classic font on roadway signage.
Clearview:  The new font that some roadway agencies have adopted; other agencies go back and forth on using it on roadway signage.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 15, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
AARoads Thread Starter Pack

The actual Worst of Road Signs: No permission to post anything here unless the mighty Gatekeepers allow it.  :spin:

Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly: The best place currently for any weird signs you might find.

Traffic signal: The least descriptive thread title still on the forum.

Illinois 53 Extension: A thread that may as well be on the Fictional Highways board at this point.

Olive Garden is gone bad: Most relevant discussion. A must-read for all newbies.

Minor things that bother you: The roadgeek whine thread. (Or is that this whole forum? :-P)

Alanland: yes and no
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: US 89 on July 15, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
Isn't the m.t.r. f.a.q. still up somewhere?

http://www.roadfan.com/mtrfaq.html
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: SkyPesos on July 15, 2021, 12:36:53 PM
Clearview:  The new font that some roadway agencies have adopted; other agencies go back and forth on using it on roadway signage Comic Sans of highway fonts.
FTFY  :bigass:
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 15, 2021, 02:43:46 PM
Gross:  A descriptor applied to anything not related to Virginia Oblast.

Oblast:  An Alanlandian equivalent to a State. 

Vegan:  What people from Virginia Oblast use to describe anything from California. 

Goat Jesus:  Our lord and savior who not only loves you but hates you as well.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 15, 2021, 03:44:33 PM
NIMBYs — Any opponents to any highway project for any reason whatsoever

Craig County bad — Hyperbole, as the bar is so low that every other sign you can think of is above it

Raise the gas tax — My fictional idea cannot be done in the real world   or    I don't understand politics

Clearview — A sign font that deserves far less hate than I'm about to dump on it

IDiOT — An agency not much worse than many others, but it's fun to be snarky
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: GaryV on July 15, 2021, 04:05:11 PM
Viatology/viatologist:  Made up words for road-geekery, used by only one person in the world.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2021, 04:07:43 PM
Don't read the 2020 Olympics thread. Or do, at your own risk.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Big John on July 15, 2021, 04:32:15 PM
NIMBYs — Any opponents to any highway project for any reason whatsoever

NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard.  Opposed to building in their area, but not opposed to building elsewhere.

BANANA - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything.  Applies to any project including highways.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 15, 2021, 04:47:13 PM
Oh, fine.  Give the actual definitions...
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: formulanone on July 15, 2021, 05:41:06 PM
Daylight Savings Time - Officer, I meant to type Daylight Donuts Time.

Exit Renumbering - A process that's fine for every state except for the states which don't use it.

GPS - Many people swear you'll go blind if you use it too much.

Interstate - The most important thing a town needs, if you set your watch back 50-60 years.

Pop versus Cola - An argument by people who claim to be well-travelled but dig their heels at the suggestion of a synonym.

Radio Stations - Something that still exists if you forgot your phone, favorite MP3 player, passenger, and recorded music.

Renumbering - A great idea for use in all places with no present road maintenance nor level-of-service issues.

Roadgeek Card - Something people swear must be turned in, but was never distributed in the first place.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2021, 05:51:28 PM
This thread should be in Suggestions and Questions.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 15, 2021, 06:53:04 PM
This thread should be in Suggestions and Questions.

Alangoatteen:  Leader of a failed coup against the Grand Alan of Alanland.  Punished to seven years of hard labor constructing the Nevada Test Site Interstate for Lord FritzOwl.  Had a hard time keeping up with known Alanlandian norms and current events.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Scott5114 on July 15, 2021, 07:18:47 PM
ODOT—Theoretically could mean Ohio DOT or Oregon DOT, but nearly always refers to Oklahoma DOT, an organization of individuals with no strong feelings for or against proper spelling, capitalization, font usage, spacing, or measuring. Generally spoken of the same way you'd discuss a five-year-old with an aptitude for getting foreign objects wedged up their nose. A rich source of entertainment.

Craig County bad — Hyperbole, as the bar is so low that every other sign you can think of is above it

Craig County—a county in Oklahoma whose welcome signage was so legendarily bad that roadgeeks have been chasing the high of finding something that terrible ever since. Oklahoma DOT is more than happy to string them along with other signs approaching, but not yet exceeding, that holy grail of suckitude.

Orleans County—a county in New York which is sort of the reverse of the above; one roadgeek's attestation that the place itself was legendarily bad meant that all of the other roadgeeks were searching for any redeeming quality it might possess. Apparently you can ban swimming in natural bodies of water somehow?

McClain County—a county in Oklahoma that, due to the above discussion of Orleans County, was found to lack any redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: 1 on July 15, 2021, 08:35:38 PM
ODOT—Theoretically could mean Ohio DOT or Oregon DOT, but nearly always refers to Oklahoma DOT, an organization of individuals with no strong feelings for or against proper spelling, capitalization, font usage, spacing, or measuring. Generally spoken of the same way you'd discuss a five-year-old with an aptitude for getting foreign objects wedged up their nose. A rich source of entertainment.

Craig County bad — Hyperbole, as the bar is so low that every other sign you can think of is above it

Craig County—a county in Oklahoma whose welcome signage was so legendarily bad that roadgeeks have been chasing the high of finding something that terrible ever since. Oklahoma DOT is more than happy to string them along with other signs approaching, but not yet exceeding, that holy grail of suckitude.

Orleans County—a county in New York which is sort of the reverse of the above; one roadgeek's attestation that the place itself was legendarily bad meant that all of the other roadgeeks were searching for any redeeming quality it might possess. Apparently you can ban swimming in natural bodies of water somehow?

McClain County—a county in Oklahoma that, due to the above discussion of Orleans County, was found to lack any redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Rental County—doesn't actually exist, but needs to be created in a state that puts county names on their license plates.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 15, 2021, 10:56:44 PM
More glossary terms:

2di: 2-digit Interstate, or an Interstate with a number less than 100 (also includes what are technically one-digit Interstates)
3di: 3-digit Interstate, or an Interstate with a number from 100-999
2du: 2-digit US Route, or a US Route with a number from 1-101
3du: 3-digit US Route, or a US Route with a number from 102-999
BGS: Big green sign, usually used over freeways and tollways
Rural expressway:  Divided limited-access highway, having 4 lanes or sometimes more, with grade-separated interchanges at major crossroads and grade crossings at minor crossroads.
Freeway:  A limited-access high-speed highway, free of roadway tolls.
Expressway: Can refer to a rural expressway, or can refer to any high-speed limited-access highway with grade-separated interchanges.
Carriageway: a corridor of pavement carrying traffic moving in one certain direction, usually separate from another such corridor moving in the opposite direction.  One stretch of divided highway will consist of two carriageways, or sometimes more.
DDI:  Diverging Diamond Interchange (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverging_diamond_interchange)
SPUI:  Single-Point Urban Interchange (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-point_urban_interchange)
FHWA:  Can refer to the Federal Highway Administration or their official font, considered the classic font on roadway signage.
Clearview:  The new font that some roadway agencies have adopted; other agencies go back and forth on using it on roadway signage.

I don't know about some of these, in particular the notation 2du instead of 2dus and the exclusion of tolls from freeways. Unless they're supposed to be funny, but not all of them seem so. Like there's nothing funny in the DDI entry.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: SkyPesos on July 15, 2021, 11:11:55 PM
...exclusion of tolls from freeways.
I thought the word "freeway" is meant for toll-free roads, with words like "tollway" or "turnpike" defining toll roads.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 15, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Some serious ones related to California:

LRN:  Pre-1964 Legislative Route Number

NOTR:  National Old Trails Road

Ridge Route:  Two mountainous alignments of US Route 99 between Los Angeles and San Joaquin Valley.  The Old Ridge Route refers to the road completed in 1915 whereas Ridge Route Alternate is the 1930s realignment.

The "insert highway":  Southern California slang to describe a highway.  Example; I took "The Five" over the Grapevine to Bakersfield.

The Grapevine:  A modernized term to describe Interstate 5 north of Los Angeles to San Joaquin Valley.  The name takes it's origin from Grapevine Canyon approaching San Joaquin Valley.

ACSC:  Automobile Club of Southern California

CSAA:  California State Automobile Club

DOH:  Division of Highways (existed prior to the creation of Caltrans in 1975)

Spade:  The shape of the California State Route shield.  The original run of spades are typically referred to as "Bear Spades."

CHPW:  California Highways & Public Works

CTC:  California Transportation Commission

CHC:  California Highway Commission

Sign County Route:  The lettered County Routes which are laid out in geographic areas.

G28-1:  A bare bones variant of the California Spade which lacks "California" in the crest.

Redwood Highway:  A well used name for US Route 101 north of San Francisco and US Route 199 north of Crescent City.

Golden State Highway:  A common use name for the corridor of California State Route 99 in San Joaquin Valley

El Camino Real:  The name commonly used to refer to US Route 101 from San Francisco to Los Angeles.

El Camino Sierra:  California State Route 14 from I-5 north to US Route 395, US Route 395 to California State Route 89 and California State Route 89 north to Lake Tahoe.

West Side Freeway:  The name of Interstate 5 in San Joaquin Valley

Golden State Freeway:  Interstate 5 north of downtown Los Angeles to San Joaquin Valley.  Sometimes also used for California State Route 99 north to Sacramento

Hollywood Freeway:  California State Route 170 and US 101 looping from Interstate 5 in San Fernando south to downtown Los Angeles.

Four-oh-Five:  Interstate 405 which also happens to be known as the San Diego Freeway

Ventura Freeway:  California State Route 134 and US Route 101 west from Pasadena to Venture (sometimes also used for US Route 101 west to Goleta).

Pacific Coast Highway:  The entirety of California State Route 1.  Sometimes California State Route 1 is known as the Cabrillo Highway or Roosevelt Highway.

Ojai Freeway:  Current CA 33/Old US 399 north of US 101 in Ventura.

Maricopa Highway:  Current CA 33/Old US 399 from CA 150 to CA 166


I can probably go with highway names but I'll let others chime in if they feel so inclined.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 15, 2021, 11:22:17 PM
...exclusion of tolls from freeways.

I thought the word "freeway" is meant for toll-free roads, with words like "tollway" or "turnpike" defining toll roads.

From the MUTCD: "Freeway—a divided highway with full control of access." As you can see, it says nothing about means of financing.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: SkyPesos on July 15, 2021, 11:27:36 PM
Here's three specifically for Ohio:

Dancing Arrows: The state's lazy way of providing APL like information while not using an APL.

Flashing Yellow Arrow: What is that again?

I-73: 404 error, page not found.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Takumi on July 15, 2021, 11:28:21 PM
The Racetrack: A seemingly random 4-lane section of US 33 in rural West Virginia.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 15, 2021, 11:42:37 PM
IDiOT — An agency not much worse than many others, but it's fun to be snarky

You mean the agency that let's sign installers install a left turn only sign for the right lane don't deserve to be called idiots? I beg to differ.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 16, 2021, 12:07:10 AM
Here's three specifically for Ohio...

Dancing Arrows: The state's lazy way of providing APL like information while not using an APL.

Maryland was better at this. They would have entire chorus lines of dancing arrows.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 16, 2021, 12:14:49 AM

IDiOT — An agency not much worse than many others, but it's fun to be snarky

You mean the agency that let's sign installers install a left turn only sign for the right lane don't deserve to be called idiots? I beg to differ.

Mistakes happen. There's a whole bunch in that one thread. Now if every right-turn lane had a left turn only sign, that would be something.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: wanderer2575 on July 16, 2021, 12:35:37 AM
...exclusion of tolls from freeways.
I thought the word "freeway" is meant for toll-free roads, with words like "tollway" or "turnpike" defining toll roads.

"Freeway" has always been meant to imply that traffic flows freely (no at-grade intersections with stops).  Has nothing to do with whether there are tolls.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: thspfc on July 16, 2021, 08:39:59 AM
A few for Wisconsin . . .

WISDOT: Wisconsin Department of Transportation
Corner Cut: The section of US-12 between Whitewater and Elkhorn
Triplex: The I-39/90/94 concurrency between Madison and Portage
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: 1995hoo on July 16, 2021, 08:49:02 AM
Here's three specifically for Ohio:

Dancing Arrows: The state's lazy way of providing APL like information while not using an APL.

....

That's not unique to Ohio. Maryland likes to use them too, with the most extreme example likely being this one on I-295 (https://goo.gl/maps/H16VMoPa5uBRzBXF8).
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Henry on July 16, 2021, 09:10:10 PM
High-mast lighting: A series of lights suspended from a very tall pole, normally located at urban interchanges and on freeways.

Ramp meter: A device that resembles a traffic signal, but is used at the end of an entrance ramp to regulate the flow of traffic onto the freeway. Used mainly on the West Coast.

Sign bridge: Any freestanding structure that carries one or more signs above a freeway and has posts on both ends. Also known as a gantry.

I-238: The only 3di in the country that does not have a 2di to connect to; in fact, there is no I-38 anywhere.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: CoreySamson on July 17, 2021, 08:55:44 PM
Here are some commonly talked about gaps in the Interstate Highway System that any roadgeek should at least have a cursory understanding of:

Breezewood: a small gap in I-70 in southern Pennsylvania where it leaves the Pennsylvania Turnpike and travels on surface roads for a short period of time. Commonly gaps in other routes are described as "Breezewood-like".

Bella Vista Bypass: a bypass of Bella Vista, AR on I-49 at the Arkansas-Missouri border that is being constructed now.

I-95/Penn Turnpike Interchange: before 2018, I-95 had a gap in the Trenton, NJ area as there was no direct connection between it and the Pennsylvania Turnpike (today there is a direct connection at the I-276/I-295/I-95 interchange). The interchange is an important American road milestone in the past 10 years.

I-585: In Spartanburg, SC, I-585 currently does not connect to its parent interstate, I-85, as I-85 was rerouted onto a bypass route.


And here are some Texas terms (with examples!) you should know:

Feeder Roads: basically just the Houston word for a frontage road. These run alongside freeways and usually have businesses on them. Example: (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7849583,-95.7999144,3a,75y,94.53h,80.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7qZfuTl70QyCKcqoq_u4DA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Texas U-turns: when feeder roads intersect normal roads, you'll find these letting traffic on the feeder roads make a U-turn without sitting through 2 traffic lights. Example: (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7841042,-95.5444604,3a,75y,50.82h,85.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1zy6ghB0zINjyBcvdZNWag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Stack Interchange: a high volume type of interchange that is used very much in Texas. Generally has 4 or 5 levels of roads. Example: (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7807439,-95.4535365,878m/data=!3m1!1e3)

"Poor Boy": a four lane road with only a center line separating oncoming traffic. Texas used to love these, as they were cheap to build.  Example: (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2356316,-95.4438521,3a,29.8y,345.75h,86.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swK25RCqAHWimNYIe01VvcA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DwK25RCqAHWimNYIe01VvcA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D74.14947%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: tolbs17 on July 19, 2021, 05:17:03 PM
And where do I fall under?
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 05:57:25 PM
And where do I fall under?
Why would you be in it?
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 06:02:45 PM
And where do I fall under?

tolbs17:  The asker of questions never needing an answer.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Scott5114 on July 20, 2021, 12:13:13 AM
And where do I fall under?

September.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Daylight Savings Time - Officer, I meant to type Daylight Donuts Time.

Exit Renumbering - A process that's fine for every state except for the states which don't use it.

GPS - Many people swear you'll go blind if you use it too much.

Interstate - The most important thing a town needs, if you set your watch back 50-60 years.

Pop versus Cola - An argument by people who claim to be well-travelled but dig their heels at the suggestion of a synonym.

Radio Stations - Something that still exists if you forgot your phone, favorite MP3 player, passenger, and recorded music.

Renumbering - A great idea for use in all places with no present road maintenance nor level-of-service issues.

Roadgeek Card - Something people swear must be turned in, but was never distributed in the first place.

(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2120640222.4096/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg)


IDiOT — An agency not much worse than many others, but it's fun to be snarky

You mean the agency that let's sign installers install a left turn only sign for the right lane don't deserve to be called idiots? I beg to differ.

As I said.

And where do I fall under?

Maxwell, IA
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kurumi on July 21, 2021, 01:28:21 AM
Some more cranky roadgeek definitions from many years ago: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/bierce.html
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 10:03:54 AM
Some more cranky roadgeek definitions from many years ago: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/bierce.html

I don't remember having seen that before, and yet I specifically remember seeing your definition of Frontage Roads before.

Your best definition on there is Alternative.

Your definition of Pork is good, too.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 10:09:57 AM
kphoger: The person that is going to prove you wrong, at one point or another.

I should note that I also have this reputation in real life.  My two eldest sons, having grown up in my household, are some of the most literal people you'll ever meet.

Online, however, I should also note that nobody ever actually admits that someone else has proven him wrong.  Instead, he simply doesn't post a reply at all.  Yes, I'm guilty of that too.



I-99 — The Interstate that most enrages numbering purists.
I-180 (WY) — The Interstate that most enrage everyone else on here, except perhaps those who actually know its history.
I-93 — An Interstate with a two-lane section that curiously doesn't seem to enrage anyone.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 21, 2021, 10:13:28 AM
I-238:  CA 238
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 10:32:57 AM
Some more cranky roadgeek definitions from many years ago: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/bierce.html

I don't remember having seen that before, and yet I specifically remember seeing your definition of Frontage Roads before.

Your best definition on there is Alternative.

Your definition of Pork is good, too.

I like his "Eastern U.S." definition of Freeway.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 02:21:15 PM
US-75 and/or US-287 in Texas — The eventual topic of any discussion of any highway expansion in Texas ever.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: formulanone on July 21, 2021, 07:36:47 PM
MTR - once the Parthenon of roadgeekery, now just the non
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 21, 2021, 07:44:33 PM
MTR - once the Parthenon of roadgeekery, now just the non

I was thinking a better analogy would be the Western Roman Empire. 
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: jayhawkco on July 21, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
I-70 -  The most important roadway that enters Baltimore city limits

Chris
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 09:15:10 PM
I-70 -  The most important roadway that enters Baltimore city limits

I was trying to figure out how to work that into the dictionary.

Good job.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 21, 2021, 10:07:38 PM
I-70 -  The most important roadway that enters Baltimore city limits

Chris

Similarly but also differently, adding on here:
Breezewood: The most important place that I-70 enters.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 10:33:04 PM
I-99 - Bud Shuster's stupid interstate.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: index on July 22, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
Fictional Highways - Where intelligent people go to complain about other people's threads for not being realistic enough despite the name of the board being "fictional".
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 09:08:00 AM
Fictional highways — The sub-forum where any constructive criticism of anyone's idea can be neatly contradicted by retorting, "This is fictional".
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2021, 09:12:26 AM
Fictional highways — The sub-forum where any constructive criticism of anyone's idea can be neatly contradicted by retorting, "I think this is needed".

FTFY
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 01:05:36 PM
Fictional highways — turns grown men into children 
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: formulanone on July 23, 2021, 01:41:20 PM
I always felt there's a few grades of Fictional Highways threads:

I - high plausibility, possible with some political will
II - a little too weird, harmful, and only tenuously necessary
III - now you're just being silly
IV - you made up your own land
V - you made up a raft of wacky laws to go with it
VI - goats are involved
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Henry on July 28, 2021, 11:47:52 AM
Fictional highways--Roads that currently don't exist, but are good enough to be drawn on a map
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: SkyPesos on August 02, 2021, 12:40:15 PM
North Carolina: Synonymous with turning every freeway into an interstate.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 02, 2021, 12:56:38 PM
Buc-ee’s:  Modern analog of Valhalla or Heaven.

Sam’s Club gas:  The only true place to get gas for your car in suburban Atlanta. 

Cracker Barrel:  Where one goes to get sloshed before or during an active road trip. 
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: SSOWorld on August 02, 2021, 01:25:03 PM
I-39 - Interstate that shares the road with the real route ID (US-51, former WIS-78, or I-90).

I-41 - Department of Redundancy Department

I-43 - The official highway of the Green Bay Packers

All of the above - Interstates designated because IDiOT would not cooperate with WisDOT.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:31:17 PM
I-39 - Interstate that shares the road with the real route ID

I-135 says hi.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Brandon on August 02, 2021, 09:42:48 PM
I-99 - Bud Shuster's stupid interstate.

Actually...

I-99 - Bud Shuster Porkway.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: JoePCool14 on August 02, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
I-43 - The official highway of the Green Bay Packers

You made that sound like an official™ sponsorship.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on August 02, 2021, 10:26:18 PM
MN:

Crosstown: the section of MN 62 between I-494 in Eden Prairie/Minnetonka and MN 55 in south Minneapolis

Cedar Avenue: MN 77 along its entire length (the surface road Cedar Avenue also extends both north and south of MN 77's endpoints)

Lafayette Freeway: US 52 between I-94 in St. Paul and I-494 in Inver Grove Heights (somewhat less commonly used than Crosstown)

Olson Memorial Highway: MN 55 between US 169 and I-94 in Minneapolis

Hiawatha Avenue: MN 55 between I-94 and MN 62 in Minneapolis

Snelling Avenue: MN 51 (the southern jog is Montreal Ave)

Burnsville Split: I-35W/35E southern merge/split

Forest Lake Split: I-35W/35E northern merge/split

Can of Worms: the I-35/535/US 53 interchange in Duluth
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 06:09:08 PM
Very informative. Now I know what someone meant when they said one of my highway ideas was starting to sound like hypotension. I thought I was being compared to some well known troll or spammer with that username, but it was actually a highway design reference, thx
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 16, 2021, 06:10:28 PM
Very informative. Now I know what someone meant when they said one of my highway ideas was starting to sound like hypotension. I thought I was being compared to some well known troll or spammer with that username, but it was actually a highway design reference, thx

I’m pretty someone was trolling you.  That is, unless you have an odd obsession with Diesel powered Sabbs.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 06:16:30 PM
I'm a Troll according to Yoopers.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 16, 2021, 06:37:56 PM
I'm a Troll according to Yoopers.

Supposedly I am too, but most people probably don’t realize what my place of origin in life is. 
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 06:39:13 PM
Very informative. Now I know what someone meant when they said one of my highway ideas was starting to sound like hypotension. I thought I was being compared to some well known troll or spammer with that username, but it was actually a highway design reference, thx

I’m pretty someone was trolling you.  That is, unless you have an odd obsession with Diesel powered Sabbs.

Well you'll have to judge my idea for yourself, the thread is called "Revolutionary Interstate Highway Proposal Connecting NJ and Long Island"
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 16, 2021, 06:43:44 PM
Very informative. Now I know what someone meant when they said one of my highway ideas was starting to sound like hypotension. I thought I was being compared to some well known troll or spammer with that username, but it was actually a highway design reference, thx

I’m pretty someone was trolling you.  That is, unless you have an odd obsession with Diesel powered Sabbs.

Well you'll have to judge my idea for yourself, the thread is called "Revolutionary Interstate Highway Proposal Connecting NJ and Long Island"

I’m pretty sure plenty of road people dating even back to the MTR days have thought up the same fictional idea/ideas.  So you see, not likely as revolutionary as you’d like to think.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: 1995hoo on August 16, 2021, 06:55:33 PM
Heck, when I was a kid I had drawn a map that had a highway come off the Marine Parkway Bridge, dive into a tunnel under Roxbury and Breezy Point, and then cross a bridge to Jersey. I don’t have that map anymore; I threw all those drawings out more than 30 years ago. But it’s certainly not all that new of an idea, even though it’s absurd and unrealistic. Anyone looking at a map can see the theoretical appeal of a bypass route there. (Setting aside how wholly unrealistic a major highway would be on that part of the Rockaway Peninsula because the land has shifted a lot—the beach on the ocean side of Breezy Point is significantly wider than it was when I was a kid, and back then my mom said it was significantly wider than it was when she was a kid. My relatives now go to the bay side instead because it’s so much shorter of a walk!)
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 08:01:55 PM
Alot of my other ideas like I-78 extension..etc have been debated for decades, but I haven't been able to find one single reference online to an idea for a Lower NY Bay Crossing. Not one proposal, map, or archive that even suggests such a route
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
I'm a Troll according to Yoopers.

Supposedly I am too, but most people probably don’t realize what my place of origin in life is.
Yep I guess it originates from trolls living under things so they figure we live under the bridge.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 16, 2021, 08:34:58 PM
I'm a Troll according to Yoopers.

Supposedly I am too, but most people probably don’t realize what my place of origin in life is.
Yep I guess it originates from trolls living under things so they figure we live under the bridge.

For the most part I tell people around here (Fresno) that I’m from Arizona if the question of where I’m from comes up.  Strangely out west being from Michigan is somehow more exotic than being from a desert state.  I kind of got tired of answering “is 8 Mile as bad they say it is?” over the years.  I figure since I lived in Arizona and Michigan for 13 apiece that I can claim either as my home state.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 08:37:04 PM
I'm a Troll according to Yoopers.

Supposedly I am too, but most people probably don’t realize what my place of origin in life is.
Yep I guess it originates from trolls living under things so they figure we live under the bridge.

For the most part I tell people around here (Fresno) that I’m from Arizona if the question of where I’m from comes up.  Strangely out west being from Michigan is somehow more exotic than being from a desert state.  I kind of got tired of answering “is 8 Mile as bad they say it is?” over the years.  I figure since I lived in Arizona and Michigan for 13 apiece that I can claim either as my home state.
I guess I could do that with Indiana myself. But I have lived in Michigan longer though. I get tired of answering them questions too. And personally I don't think 8 Mile is as bad as people think it is.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 16, 2021, 08:42:19 PM
I'm a Troll according to Yoopers.

Supposedly I am too, but most people probably don’t realize what my place of origin in life is.
Yep I guess it originates from trolls living under things so they figure we live under the bridge.

For the most part I tell people around here (Fresno) that I’m from Arizona if the question of where I’m from comes up.  Strangely out west being from Michigan is somehow more exotic than being from a desert state.  I kind of got tired of answering “is 8 Mile as bad they say it is?” over the years.  I figure since I lived in Arizona and Michigan for 13 apiece that I can claim either as my home state.
I guess I could do that with Indiana myself. But I have lived in Michigan longer though. I get tired of answering them questions too. And personally I don't think 8 Mile is as bad as people think it is.

My Grandparents lived off 8 Mile and Grand River, we used to walk to the store all the time in the early 1980s.  My Dad worked at a software development office at 275 and 8 Mile in the early 1980s.   Now I wouldn’t say part of 8 Mile Road eastward towards Woodward are fantastic, but they are nowhere as bad as what you’ll find further south in the City of Detroit.  If the movie was titled “Michigan Avenue” or “Fort Street” I could understand getting behind a more seedy reputation in popular culture.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 09:19:33 PM
I'm a Troll according to Yoopers.

Supposedly I am too, but most people probably don’t realize what my place of origin in life is.
Yep I guess it originates from trolls living under things so they figure we live under the bridge.

For the most part I tell people around here (Fresno) that I’m from Arizona if the question of where I’m from comes up.  Strangely out west being from Michigan is somehow more exotic than being from a desert state.  I kind of got tired of answering “is 8 Mile as bad they say it is?” over the years.  I figure since I lived in Arizona and Michigan for 13 apiece that I can claim either as my home state.
I guess I could do that with Indiana myself. But I have lived in Michigan longer though. I get tired of answering them questions too. And personally I don't think 8 Mile is as bad as people think it is.

My Grandparents lived off 8 Mile and Grand River, we used to walk to the store all the time in the early 1980s.  My Dad worked at a software development office at 275 and 8 Mile in the early 1980s.   Now I wouldn’t say part of 8 Mile Road eastward towards Woodward are fantastic, but they are nowhere as bad as what you’ll find further south in the City of Detroit.  If the movie was titled “Michigan Avenue” or “Fort Street” I could understand getting behind a more seedy reputation in popular culture.
I have a cousin (he lives in Fenton now) that use to live in Detroit off Grand River and Greenfield and I never had a problem over there. I walked all over that part of Detroit growing up and it was fine this was in the 80's and 90's. The worst part of Detroit back then was on the east side as the west side wasn't as bad back then. I don't think I'd walk around that area now though.

The streets that always gave me a creepy feeling were Tireman, Epworth, Concord and St. Cyril and I can give a description of how each street was.

Tireman of course runs west of Grand Blvd. on the west side of I-96 all the way across the west side between Warren and Joy Road. It goes through some pretty run down areas of Detroit and Dearborn. The part of Dearborn that butts up to Detroit is as bad as Detroit is in that area.

Epworth just goes through a desolate area on the west side east of Livernois between Warren and Joy Road and the desolate feel gives it a creepy feeling.

Concord is a street that runs on the east side about 4-5 streets east of Mt. Elliott and runs next to the old Packard Plant that until recently was crumbling and that gave it a creepy feeling, very very ghetto type feeling like the imagines of Camden, New Jersey everyone sees.

St. Cyril is a story. I remember coming upon it in 2003 when St. Cyril Church was still standing. I thought the abandoned church was very creepy feeling and the church was totally in ruins. The church is of course gone now with the rest of the neighborhood behind it for an industrial park. It's the street that makes an arc a little west of Van Dyke on the east side north of I-94.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: snowc on August 19, 2021, 09:58:53 AM
Thought this would be useful for new members here, as they're mentioned outside of their respective thread a good amount of times.

Alanland: It does and does not exist at the same time. That's all I can say about it. And something about goats... Here's a better description:
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Alanland is what the Perkins Union renames itself after it secedes from the U.S. Law enforcement is accomplished through swarms of bees. BGSes are red, stoplights are as well. Walmart has to operate under the trade name "Pfangle" for legal reasons. Rattlesnakes are strictly required to register with county governments. The maximum speed limit is 52, the minimum 26, and the relative humidity 75%. The color gray is punishable by death. The official currency is the Numberwang. Alanland has pi houses of parliament, each of which are headed by an executive entitled "The Warbler". The chief executive is "The Grand Unified Alan of Alanland", whose official limousine gets ninety-three rods to the hogshead by statute. The capital is Quindaro and its chief export is Clearview.

(Source: Alanland Tourism and Armoire Standardization Department)

FritzOwl: Someone with too much free time and have a goal of paving most of North America with interstate highways because they had a bad experience on a 2-lane road. We get the term FritzOwling for building unnecessary interstates because of this user.

Hypotenuse: The longest side of a right triangle, and in this case, the other two sides of this right triangle is I-290 and I-90/I-94. This is a pet project of the user "dzlsabe", and the official description of it is "the I-90 missing link in Chicago".

I-366: An interstate highway proposal created by user "ethanman62187" as an upgrade of Virginia Route 28, and he'll allow motorists to drive 85 mph on this new interstate.

Anything I'm missing?
This explains it all.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: US20IL64 on October 07, 2021, 12:31:34 AM
...exclusion of tolls from freeways.
I thought the word "freeway" is meant for toll-free roads, with words like "tollway" or "turnpike" defining toll roads.

"Freeway" has always been meant to imply that traffic flows freely (no at-grade intersections with stops).  Has nothing to do with whether there are tolls.

Chicago area has not used this term, until the Bishop Ford Freeway was named. {And was kind of forced} We have used Expressway and Tollway since the 1950's. Also, simply "4-6 lane highway" for at grade through roads.

Was thinking whatever a region calls a limited access road was local language, i.e. LA Freeways and NYC Expressways/Parkways, etc. But learned here it's official US Govt term, will not challenge the lingo here.
Title: Re: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2021, 04:38:19 AM
Locked Thread – Usually posted about one quarter-mile from a discussion which turned into "I don't like user x", rather than the merits of the existing user base.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: Alps on October 13, 2021, 10:03:54 PM
You know what? It's really not cool to make fun of members. Some members may post abrasive content, off-topic, etc. Call them out for it in those threads. Keep the brackets to yourselves, k?
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: JoePCool14 on October 15, 2021, 03:46:35 PM
You know what? It's really not cool to make fun of members. Some members may post abrasive content, off-topic, etc. Call them out for it in those threads. Keep the brackets to yourselves, k?

Why was my "Amazing, well not really" post deleted? That had nothing to do with targeting anyone.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: formulanone on October 15, 2021, 03:56:51 PM
You know what? It's really not cool to make fun of members. Some members may post abrasive content, off-topic, etc. Call them out for it in those threads. Keep the brackets to yourselves, k?

Why was my "Amazing, well not really" post deleted? That had nothing to do with targeting anyone.

Posts like that are typically Collateral Damage, if it doesn't stand up on its own.

(It's happened to me, but that's the Floating World of the Internet.)
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: hbelkins on October 15, 2021, 08:08:05 PM
Flat. See also, "Illinois."
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: formulanone on October 15, 2021, 10:27:16 PM
Pork
(1) a road or highway project of questionable necessity, yet with no reduction in desired clinchability
(2) served at places with signs featuring a cartoonish version of itself, usually with headgear
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 08:15:50 PM
Fundamental Theorem of AARoads - Let "y" represent the elevation above sea level in a certain area. If "Δy" between the highest and lowest values of y equals to 0, it's Illinois.
Title: Re: The AARoads Pocket Dictionary [For New Members]
Post by: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
You know what? It's really not cool to make fun of members. Some members may post abrasive content, off-topic, etc. Call them out for it in those threads. Keep the brackets to yourselves, k?

Why was my "Amazing, well not really" post deleted? That had nothing to do with targeting anyone.
I did notice 3 of my posts were deleted and I'm sure they were all here...Damn.