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Title: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on August 29, 2010, 06:55:51 PM
Imagine my surprise when, while getting on I-5 at Kuebler Blvd in Salem, I spot this new signage on the onramp to northbound:

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/Interstate%20Routes/I5KueblerBlvd1.jpg?t=1283122133)

I know this is common in California, but it's the first time I've seen it in Oregon.  Any other states sign onramps like this?
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 29, 2010, 06:58:27 PM
I've seen it done in Arizona as well.

now, Oregon just needs to put up some California-style state-named shields!  :pan:
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Bickendan on August 29, 2010, 08:13:47 PM
Washington uses them (the freeway entrance signs, not state-named shields).

Oregon using these is a shock.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on August 29, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
I've seen it done in Arizona as well.

now, Oregon just needs to put up some California-style state-named shields!  :pan:

I'd go for some California-style cut-out US Highway shields in Oregon, too!
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 29, 2010, 09:16:15 PM
I'd go for some California-style cut-out US Highway shields in Oregon, too!

they were used from 1961-1971 or so.

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/OR/OR19610802i1.jpg)
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: corco on August 29, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
Idaho does on very rare occasion too.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on August 29, 2010, 10:36:17 PM
they were used from 1961-1971 or so.

Yeah, I remember seeing them as a kid.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall them being very widespread; I mostly remember the '48 spec shields (and, no, not the exact one below -- I'm not that old!):

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/US%20Routes/oregon_us_630.png?t=1283135484)
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 29, 2010, 10:39:23 PM
yep, the '48s were around (in various sizes - 16x16, 18x18, 24x24, 36x36) for many years, as late as 1973.  the US-only shields were a minor variant that lasted only a few years.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: luokou on August 30, 2010, 03:47:47 PM
It's about time they used freeway entrance signs as such. Any excuse to see more route shields being used is good enough for me!

I'd go for some California-style cut-out US Highway shields in Oregon, too!

Now if only the state route shields would return to the cut-out status as well...
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 30, 2010, 03:51:07 PM

Now if only the state route shields would return to the cut-out status as well...

even if they didn't, I wish they would restore the eagle.  the alien head just looks stupid.  Michael Summa once made a mockup with the eagle on a black square and it looked very very good.  I need to put that on the internet.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 30, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
I'm not sure but I think then some of the NYC parkways in Long Island got a "parkway entrance" a bit inspired by the CA freeway signage.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Alps on August 30, 2010, 06:51:14 PM
I'm not sure but I think then some of the NYC parkways in Long Island got a "parkway entrance" a bit inspired by the CA freeway signage.
Not the same style.  They share the downward-pointing right arrow, but it's just underneath a standard Parkway shield assembly.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: KEK Inc. on August 30, 2010, 08:15:04 PM
There's a pretty old FREEWAY ENTRANCE sign on the Banfield. 

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3052275852_fb3ed6f88b_o.jpg)

As stated, Washington does use FREEWAY ENTRANCE signs, but they generally don't include any shield at all, mainly because it's extremely redundant.  For routes that aren't exactly freeways, they use EXPRESSWAY or HIGHWAY.   Idaho uses them, I think.   

Nevada and Arizona use similar road hardware as California, so it's sort of expected that there are some similarities in their signing practices.  Arizona uses more MUTCD legal exit tabs; however, both Arizona and Nevada neuter and black-box their shields.

Has anyone seen the on-ramp from Exit 8 on WA-16?  I'm curious how Washington deals with tolled roads...   Here's how California does it (without the black pricing tags):

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Road%20signs/tollentrance.png)
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: NJRoadfan on August 30, 2010, 08:45:40 PM
Not the same style.  They share the downward-pointing right arrow, but it's just underneath a standard Parkway shield assembly.

The NJTP has (had?) one on the NJ-18 north ramp, just the trailblazer with the downward pointing arrow.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Bickendan on September 04, 2010, 01:46:38 AM

Now if only the state route shields would return to the cut-out status as well...

even if they didn't, I wish they would restore the eagle.  the alien head just looks stupid.  Michael Summa once made a mockup with the eagle on a black square and it looked very very good.  I need to put that on the internet.
I'd be interested in seeing that.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 04, 2010, 02:03:31 AM
I'd be interested in seeing that.

He posted it last spring; scroll down to it in this thread:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2708.0
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Bickendan on September 04, 2010, 02:41:56 AM
Ha, I only posted in that thread too!
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 04, 2010, 02:48:36 AM
I liked the sign.  What do you think of it?
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Bickendan on September 04, 2010, 05:19:02 AM
I await its inclusion into the shield generator with baited breath. And I'm toying with the idea of seeing what ODOT thinks of it...
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: KEK Inc. on September 04, 2010, 06:52:12 AM
That sign is really cool, but I still prefer a cut-out.

  Using the picture in that thread, I tried to put it in a BGS: 

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Road%20signs/OregonEagleBeaverton.png)

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Road%20signs/Tigard.png)
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 04, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
Now that looks seriously cool on a BGS, a big improvement on the "alien head."  Good job making those.

Now, if I had the say in the matter, I would favor the return to the classic eagle shield most of all:

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/Oregon%20State%20Routes/OR126RedmondVintageSign4.jpg?t=1283615295)

But failing that, I would either favor Michael Summa's design as a 2nd choice, or go to cutout versions of the current shields as the third option:

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/Oregon%20State%20Routes/OR213Cut-OutShieldinMolalla1.jpg?t=1283615469)

Hey, anybody with more graphics talent than me (which would probably be anybody) want to come up with a 3-digit version of the classic eagle shield?  I have always wanted to see that!
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: TheStranger on September 04, 2010, 03:43:22 PM
xonhulu: My thinking for how the classic eagle would work on a BGS - simply, the "alien head" but with an eagle up high, and the numbers below it (no state name to save space).  The all-white-with-eagle-outline is intriguing but I find that it makes the top look a little strange compared to the classic shield.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 04, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
That's my thinking too, but I'd want to see how it looks both with and without the state name.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: TheStranger on September 04, 2010, 03:48:47 PM
That's my thinking too, but I'd want to see how it looks both with and without the state name.

I do know that in California, it's much more common to see the spade-shield on overhead green signs without the state name, but every once in a while, a regular state-named trailblazer WILL pop up there as a quick installation.  (Same deal applies for Interstate shields out here)

Maybe have the state name in smaller letters for BGS use?
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: KEK Inc. on September 04, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Eh, I support neutered shields on BGS.  It's too busy if you put anything other than Interstate on it.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 06, 2010, 12:19:57 AM
O.k. I took a shot at a 3-digit eagle shield.  I just made a blank shield in the Shield Generator, stretched it horizontally 125%, and pasted the state name and the route number 142, which I think would have been a better designation for OR 42S.  

I'm not sure I have the aspect ratio right, though, just took a guess.  Anybody better than me at this can feel free to improve on it, like one with the exact same eagle as the regular shield (not a distorted-by-stretching bird) and a consistently-wide border.

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/OR142Shield-1.png?t=1283746523)

Anyway, it looked alright to me.  I think it could be made to work.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 06, 2010, 02:17:26 AM
Here's another wide eagle shield, this one with a non-distorted eagle:

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/OR142Shield-2.png?t=1283753376)

Here's another with a slightly wider aspect ratio:

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/OR111wideeagleshield.png?t=1283756681)
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Bickendan on September 06, 2010, 04:11:24 AM
The numerals themselves aren't too happy, but pretty good with the non-stretched eagles.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: KEK Inc. on September 06, 2010, 07:05:47 AM
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Road%20signs/Oregonshield.png)

I polished it a bit on GIMP.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 06, 2010, 11:19:59 AM
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Road%20signs/Oregonshield.png)

I polished it a bit on GIMP.

That 217 worked pretty good.  How well do 3-digits fit when there are no 1's, like the historic route 222?
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: KEK Inc. on September 06, 2010, 05:30:44 PM
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Oregonshield222.png)

Admittedly, I had to adjust the font spacing and reduce the font size a tad bit. 

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Road%20signs/freewayentrance569.png)
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 06, 2010, 06:18:24 PM
Way to bring the discussion back on topic with your last image.

Now, if ODOT objects that the number is now too small, I guess you could eliminate the "OREGON:"

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/OR350wideeagleshield.png?t=1283811378)

Now you're losing very little in legibility, but getting a much more interesting design than the boring "alien head."
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: KEK Inc. on September 06, 2010, 07:47:22 PM
No need to neuter it.

Original:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/BoringORSign_fxwb.jpg)

GIMP'd:
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/KEK_INC/Road%20signs/OR212.png)

I think it's a hell of a lot more legible than Washington's shields.  :P  (Even though it has a 1, I kept it at the same font size as the 569 and 222 shields I did)

Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on September 06, 2010, 08:20:41 PM
No argument here.  I think we've shown a 3-digit eagle shield could totally work.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: luokou on September 06, 2010, 11:48:11 PM
It'd be wonderful to return to the cutout style. The three digit version is quite fantastically done. I'd use the neuter shield on overheads and BGS's.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Quillz on September 07, 2010, 12:51:34 AM
It'd be wonderful to return to the cutout style. The three digit version is quite fantastically done. I'd use the neuter shield on overheads and BGS's.
100% agree. Cutout shields are just as easy to read and frankly, have a lot more character than boring "shape against black background"-itis.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: KEK Inc. on September 07, 2010, 01:20:12 AM
Shields should have the state name on stand-alone shields.  On BGS, they should be neutered, though.  I actually think an all-white shield would still be better for BGS.  It's too distracting otherwise.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Henry on January 30, 2011, 10:14:18 AM
Washington uses them (the freeway entrance signs, not state-named shields).

Oregon using these is a shock.

So every state on the West Coast has them? I'll have to see for myself the next time I drive through Oregon.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: xonhulu on January 30, 2011, 05:26:39 PM
So every state on the West Coast has them? I'll have to see for myself the next time I drive through Oregon.

Still not common, although a few other on-ramps in the Albany-to-Salem section of I-5 sport them now.

Also proliferating in this area are these hideous oval 99E shields.  Everytime I turn around, I see a new one:

(http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/xonhulu/Oregon%20State%20Routes/th_OR99EHalseyOddShield2.jpg?t=1296426306)


 
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: wriddle082 on January 30, 2011, 07:08:25 PM
Washington uses them (the freeway entrance signs, not state-named shields).

Oregon using these is a shock.

So every state on the West Coast has them? I'll have to see for myself the next time I drive through Oregon.

AFAIK, there is only one east coast state where I have seen these signs: West Virginia.  I am not sure if they are still putting them up now (been at least 3 years since I've entered that state), but I fondly recall seeing them all over the place back in the 80s and 90s (spent my Grades 1-7 years in Ashland, KY, just W of Huntington, WV).
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: Alex on January 30, 2011, 10:06:47 PM
AFAIK, there is only one east coast state where I have seen these signs: West Virginia.  I am not sure if they are still putting them up now (been at least 3 years since I've entered that state), but I fondly recall seeing them all over the place back in the 80s and 90s (spent my Grades 1-7 years in Ashland, KY, just W of Huntington, WV).

Saw many new freeway entrance assemblies in West Virginia last September.
Title: Re: California-style freeway entrance signage makes its way to Oregon
Post by: sp_redelectric on June 05, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
Imagine my surprise when, while getting on I-5 at Kuebler Blvd in Salem, I spot this new signage on the onramp to northbound:

Not only that but at least at Chemawa Road, I've seen the "ONE-WAY"/"DO NOT ENTER"/"WRONG WAY" signs posted together California style at the end of the off-ramp, with the ONE-WAY sign mounted low to the ground.  Oregon seems to have historically installed the DO NOT ENTER sign separately from the WRONG WAY sign.