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Started by Alex, March 07, 2009, 07:01:05 PM

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ixnay

Speaking of control cities, prior to the opening of the Parkway North/I-279, was Pittsburgh used as a control city on SB I-79 all the way down to PA 65, PA 51, or maybe all the way down to the Parkway West/current I-376 (by which point it's all but overshot Pittsburgh)?
The Washington/Baltimore/Arlington CSA has two Key Bridges, a Minnesota Avenue, and a Mannasota Avenue.


ARMOURERERIC

Oddly enough, I rode my bicycle on the unopened I-79 wayyyyyy back in 1976 at age 12, all the way from Ivory Ave in Pittsburgh, the BGS still said Washington back then, traffic bound for downtown Pittsburgh was directed to us US 19 and McKnight Rd, in fact, IIRC, the complete I-79 north of the ohio river, did not, could not open until the bridge itself opened.

74/171FAN

#2427
(For PA 309)  PennDOT - District 4 News: Rolling Roadblock on State Route 309 Southbound in Luzerne County

Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 06, 2022, 09:27:55 AM
(For US 22 and US 322)  PennDOT - District 8 News: PennDOT Announces Open House/Online Plans Display for the Route 22/322 Clark's Ferry Improvement Project  (The public meeting will be viewable on October 20th.

(For US 22 and US 322)  PennDOT - District 8 News: PennDOT Announces Online Plans Display for the Route 22/322 Clark's Ferry Improvement Project in Reed Township, Dauphin County

QuoteProposed improvements include replacing the existing center turn lane on Route 22/322 within the project limits with a continuous median barrier.  Additional improvements include signing and pavement markings and lighting for a westbound frontage lane that would serve local traffic right turning movements.

This does include the closing of the left-turn WB to PA 849 WB from US 22/US 322 WB.
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VTGoose

Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 16, 2022, 07:16:19 PM
Oddly enough, I rode my bicycle on the unopened I-79 wayyyyyy back in 1976 at age 12, all the way from Ivory Ave in Pittsburgh, the BGS still said Washington back then, traffic bound for downtown Pittsburgh was directed to us US 19 and McKnight Rd, in fact, IIRC, the complete I-79 north of the ohio river, did not, could not open until the bridge itself opened.

For the longest time, one had to travel to Warrendale to get on I-79 north since the section from there to the Coraopolis side of the Neville Island Bridge wasn't open for the longest time. You could get on at PA 51 and go south but only as far as PA 60. It took a trip to Heidleburg to get on I-79 to go south (and even that was spotty in places through the '70s).

Bruce in Blacksburg (but a native of the 'Burgh, Moon High '73)
"Get in the fast lane, grandma!  The bingo game is ready to roll!"

ARMOURERERIC

I heard stories that the section of I-79 from Mt Nebo Rd to Wexford, sans the respective interchange over crossings we're actually built as early as 1969

CentralPAGal

Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 17, 2022, 01:30:41 PM
This does include the closing of the left-turn WB to PA 849 WB from US 22/US 322 WB.

Yes, it shows the median barrier going through the whole area. It explicitly shows US 22/322 WB traffic to 849 has to turn around at the US 11/15 interchange and get back on 22/322 EB to access it.
Clinched:
I: 83, 97, 176, 180 (PA), 270 (MD), 283, 395 (MD), 470 (OH-WV), 471, 795 (MD)
Traveled:
I: 70, 71, 75, 76 (E), 78, 79, 80, 81, 86 (E), 95, 99, 270 (OH), 275 (KY-IN-OH), 376, 495 (MD-VA), 579, 595 (MD), 695 (MD)
US: 1, 9, 11, 13, 15, 22, 25, 30, 40, 42, 50, 113, 119, 127, 209, 220, 222, 301

Bitmapped

Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 17, 2022, 06:48:56 PM
I heard stories that the section of I-79 from Mt Nebo Rd to Wexford, sans the respective interchange over crossings we're actually built as early as 1969

PennDOT's pavement history web app shows parts of I-79 immediately north of Mt. Nebo Road were built in 1965-1966. The area closest to I-279 was 1969-1970. North of I-279 and south of Mt. Nebo Road were 1972ish.

Roadsguy

Quote from: CentralPAGal on October 18, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 17, 2022, 01:30:41 PM
This does include the closing of the left-turn WB to PA 849 WB from US 22/US 322 WB.

Yes, it shows the median barrier going through the whole area. It explicitly shows US 22/322 WB traffic to 849 has to turn around at the US 11/15 interchange and get back on 22/322 EB to access it.

Indeed, the plans are posted early. Somewhat maddeningly, the project is so close to a proper freeway upgrade (albeit a fairly substandard one a la PA 28 in Pittsburgh), but there are a small handful of driveways left on the eastbound side. (Westbound has a barrier-separated one-way frontage road.)
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.


ARMOURERERIC

Quote from: Bitmapped on October 18, 2022, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 17, 2022, 06:48:56 PM
I heard stories that the section of I-79 from Mt Nebo Rd to Wexford, sans the respective interchange over crossings we're actually built as early as 1969

PennDOT's pavement history web app shows parts of I-79 immediately north of Mt. Nebo Road were built in 1965-1966. The area closest to I-279 was 1969-1970. North of I-279 and south of Mt. Nebo Road were 1972ish.

Yet, it did not open to traffic until 1977, another local road geek urban legend was that the ROW between Mt Nebo and Nicholson was actually acquired by the PA Turnpike Commission  in 1954 for the Pittsburgh to Erie extension.  I once saw an old road project report at Northland Public Library from 1955 showing a project to extend McKnight Rd up the pine creek valley to a trumpet exit between what is now 279 and 910

74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

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roadman65

I thought Trenton was bad on US 1 at former I-95 in Oxford Valley directing motorists onto I-95 north, but the same PennDOT does it this time again.  Different district but same signing practice.
https://goo.gl/maps/gqLbki3PJUJBFvTt6

Direct motorists onto a freeway from a road that already is heading into a specific city.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

CE Expert System Update:

District 5: 
PA 115 Safety Improvements
PA 339 over Rattling Run CMP Replacements (resulting from Ida flooding)
Farmersville Rd Bridge over US 22
I-78 EB/PA 309 SB east of Lehigh St (Exit 57)

QuoteIncorporation of a hard shoulder running lane will be investigated.

Shiffers Rd over PA 33

District 8: 
Laudermilch Rd Bridge over Norfolk Southern RR  (was originally part of the P3 bridge project but not anymore)

District 9:
SR 2019 over US 22
QuoteBridge has restricted under clearance and does not meet current standards over SR 0022. Large vehicles have hit the underside of the bridge in the past.

District 10:
PA 208 over Turkey Run
PA 403 over US 22
QuotePA 403 over US 22 eastbound and westbound; East Wheatfield Township; Bridge Rehabilitation including beam repair by heat straightening.
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Bitmapped

Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 25, 2022, 08:21:26 AM
CE Expert System Update:
District 9:
SR 2019 over US 22
QuoteBridge has restricted under clearance and does not meet current standards over SR 0022. Large vehicles have hit the underside of the bridge in the past.

This bridge is actually missing its outermost concrete beam on US 22 westbound from being hit, and it had been patched before then. It has 14' 4" clearance so it's not particularly low.

74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

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roadman65

https://goo.gl/maps/SJBsLHDPYYmYnWvA7

Didn't this used to be an at grade intersection?
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Alps


roadman65

I do remember a second at grade along the route between PA 33 and I-80.  The Beaver Valley RIRO is too fuzzy in aerials to see if that had a break in the median.

I'm going to say that was the second intersection.  Being too close to the PA 33 interchange it would seem plausible that an intersection get closed off due to sight lines. 
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Roadsguy

Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2022, 06:55:27 PM
I do remember a second at grade along the route between PA 33 and I-80.  The Beaver Valley RIRO is too fuzzy in aerials to see if that had a break in the median.

I'm going to say that was the second intersection.  Being too close to the PA 33 interchange it would seem plausible that an intersection get closed off due to sight lines.

I took a look myself and it was definitely a full intersection. 1999 and 2004 show it most clearly; the northbound left turn lane is very clear in the former and the latter is in color, so you can see the break in the old grass median. (The same outline of the median break can be seen in all earlier imagery going back to 1970, the earliest that shows the expressway completed.) By 2005, the intersection was removed when they added the concrete jersey barrier and paved inside shoulders.
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.

74/171FAN

#2448
The at-grade on US 209 at Schafers Schoolhouse Rd is planned to become a RIRO at some point.

Other Friday News:

(For I-80, US 220, and PA 26)  PennDOT - District 2 News: PennDOT Issues Start-of-November Update for Local Interchange Project
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Bitmapped

Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 28, 2022, 08:18:01 AM
(For PA 724)  PennDOT - District 6 News: PennDOT Completes Route 724 (Schuylkill Road) Bridge Replacement, Reopens Highway Over Eckers Creek in North Coventry Township

The bridge might be open, but they didn't bother to take down any of the signage about the road being closed. The detour was still fully signed, including warnings on US 422 that PA 724 is closed. "Bridge Out" signage is still in place on PA 724 at River Bridge Road where the detour begins on the west end.



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