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Title: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 12, 2014, 12:13:33 PM
AHTD:

Are you using 2 different vendors for your new signs? I've noticed two different styles of I-540 shields,  Southbound, most have the state name. Northbound, they don't have the state name ("neutered" as we often call them) and also have a taller, narrower sign font.  It seems strange (to me at least) for one direction to use one style of sign and the other direction use a different style.


Southbound
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Northbound
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Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: AHTD on February 12, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Route markers on overhead signs typically do not contain the state name, whereas ground-mounted route markers typically do. The MUTCD allows the state name to be displayed as an option and ours is to place "Arkansas" on ground-mounted shields.

The northbound photo looks like a new installation and it appears that either a consultant placed the wrong shield on construction plans or the contractor installed the wrong shield.

If you can give us the location of this photo, we'll be able to tell you what happened - and correct the issue!

Many thanks for bringing this to our attention. We really appreciate it!
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: Nate here! on February 12, 2014, 03:54:29 PM
Southbound side looks way better. Also, these shields are huge. Two support posts? Oh.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 12, 2014, 04:10:22 PM
Quote from: AHTD on February 12, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Route markers on overhead signs typically do not contain the state name, whereas ground-mounted route markers typically do. The MUTCD allows the state name to be displayed as an option and ours is to place "Arkansas" on ground-mounted shields.

The northbound photo looks like a new installation and it appears that either a consultant placed the wrong shield on construction plans or the contractor installed the wrong shield.

If you can give us the location of this photo, we'll be able to tell you what happened - and correct the issue!

Many thanks for bringing this to our attention. We really appreciate it!

Both photos are new installation.

The photo saying South 540 (top) is on SB I-540 between Grand and Rogers (due to the lane restrictions I had to do a "drive-by" photo since there was no place to safely stop).

The photo saying North 540 (bottom) was taken along NB I-540 just past  the US 271/AR 253 Exit.


Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: M86 on February 16, 2014, 02:44:41 AM
http://goo.gl/maps/uKcms

I-540 near Exit 82 in NWA.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 16, 2014, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: M86 on February 16, 2014, 02:44:41 AM
http://goo.gl/maps/uKcms

I-540 near Exit 82 in NWA.

I'd forgotten about those. There are 2 or 3 near the Promenade exit. Also smaller than normal size, I think.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: AHTD on February 19, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
We are moving away from including the state name on ground-level Interstate route markers. Signs in this area that were installed incorrectly (wrong version of sign) will be removed and replaced with the correct version.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2014, 05:48:27 PM
:bigass:
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 19, 2014, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: AHTD on February 19, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
We are moving away from including the state name on ground-level Interstate route markers. Signs in this area that were installed incorrectly (wrong version of sign) will be removed and replaced with the correct version.


Guess I better hurry and get more photos ;)

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: Alps on February 19, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
Quote from: AHTD on February 19, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
We are moving away from including the state name on ground-level Interstate route markers. Signs in this area that were installed incorrectly (wrong version of sign) will be removed and replaced with the correct version.

No! Please continue to include the state name! Texas has just started doing it - it reminds people what state they're in... plus we love it!
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 19, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
wait, does this mean the state name is only gonna go on shields mounted on green signs??
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
You might be an anal roadgeek if...
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: AHTD on February 20, 2014, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 19, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
wait, does this mean the state name is only gonna go on shields mounted on green signs??


We haven't been putting state name on overhead (green) signs. We are currently removing from the ground- mounted signs.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: M86 on February 20, 2014, 02:25:35 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 19, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
You might be an anal roadgeek if...

I just want consistency.  That's my roadgeek/OCD talking.

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 20, 2014, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: AHTD on February 20, 2014, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 19, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
wait, does this mean the state name is only gonna go on shields mounted on green signs??


We haven't been putting state name on overhead (green) signs. We are currently removing from the ground- mounted signs.

To my knowledge AHTD has never used state names on the overheads (I can find no photos in my collection). Oklahoma does, though they are irregular about it.  I know the independent signage in Arkansas is hit & miss, but I know AHTD replaced a lot of signs along I-40 in the last couple years, and many , if not all, of them have the state name.

I'm curious why the change: are the signs that much cheaper to make without the state name?  If this is about shaving a few pennies off the sign budget, why not drop Interstate as well and just have a plain red field in the crown (unless there's a federal regulation which keeps the Interstate designation on the signs) ? 

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: bugo on February 20, 2014, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: AHTD on February 19, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
We are moving away from including the state name on ground-level Interstate route markers. Signs in this area that were installed incorrectly (wrong version of sign) will be removed and replaced with the correct version.


WHY?  The state name is helpful for those times you're near a state line, can't remember if you've crossed it or not, and don't know what the speed limit is.  This sounds like a waste of money and an unnecessary change.  Don't tell me it's "legibility issues" because you use that unreadable font Clearview on all your new signs, a font that is hard to read at night, fact.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: M86 on February 21, 2014, 03:23:17 AM
I'll be in the minority of my fellow road geeks...

I don't care about the state name on Interstate shields... As long as you're consistent about it. 

bugo, Clearview is harder to read at night?  I'm just glad AHTD stopped using all caps on certain signage... That IS harder to read, based on studies.

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 21, 2014, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: M86 on February 21, 2014, 03:23:17 AM
I'll be in the minority of my fellow road geeks...

I don't care about the state name on Interstate shields... As long as you're consistent about it. 

bugo, Clearview is harder to read at night?  I'm just glad AHTD stopped using all caps on certain signage... That IS harder to read, based on studies.


Most of the signs on 540 were already U/L case, though I noticed on directions they're now using the larger initial letter
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7425%2F12468757355_63702b6023_c_d.jpg&hash=7ca15f21724c2b99c8a48a0a77bb7b46851f26c2)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: bjrush on February 21, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
Is that US 271 newer spec than usual?
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 21, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: bjrush on February 21, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
Is that US 271 newer spec than usual?

Yes. It's the new Exit signage. The 253 shield looks a little odd to me, but it's still better than the old one.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: bjrush on February 21, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
Does AHTD plan to update all of its US shields to the current MUTCD spec?
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 21, 2014, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: bjrush on February 21, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
Does AHTD plan to update all of its US shields to the current MUTCD spec?

Maybe as signs are replaced, such as the new exit signs on I-540 .
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: bjrush on February 21, 2014, 09:12:14 PM
Now that you say that the US 71B is a little odd at Exit 85 in Bentonville/Rogers

The B is full size. I'm not sure how I feel about that

OLD

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.okroads.com%2F052104%2Fi540exit85.JPG&hash=c58814b45b7be1f75bf82b80585a873142dcabd7)

NEW

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Benton+County,+Arkansas+72756&hl=en&ll=36.330834,-94.184403&spn=0.003575,0.005284&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,86.572266&t=h&geocode=FUw-KgIdn7Zj-g&hnear=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Arkansas+72756&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.330834,-94.184403&panoid=HDAZAGaMp4gCNB7zcGG3HQ&cbp=12,35.99,,0,4.93 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Benton+County,+Arkansas+72756&hl=en&ll=36.330834,-94.184403&spn=0.003575,0.005284&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,86.572266&t=h&geocode=FUw-KgIdn7Zj-g&hnear=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Arkansas+72756&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.330834,-94.184403&panoid=HDAZAGaMp4gCNB7zcGG3HQ&cbp=12,35.99,,0,4.93)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 22, 2014, 12:07:09 AM
Quote from: bjrush on February 21, 2014, 09:12:14 PM
Now that you say that the US 71B is a little odd at Exit 85 in Bentonville/Rogers

The B is full size. I'm not sure how I feel about that

OLD

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.okroads.com%2F052104%2Fi540exit85.JPG&hash=c58814b45b7be1f75bf82b80585a873142dcabd7)

NEW

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Benton+County,+Arkansas+72756&hl=en&ll=36.330834,-94.184403&spn=0.003575,0.005284&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,86.572266&t=h&geocode=FUw-KgIdn7Zj-g&hnear=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Arkansas+72756&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.330834,-94.184403&panoid=HDAZAGaMp4gCNB7zcGG3HQ&cbp=12,35.99,,0,4.93 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Benton+County,+Arkansas+72756&hl=en&ll=36.330834,-94.184403&spn=0.003575,0.005284&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,86.572266&t=h&geocode=FUw-KgIdn7Zj-g&hnear=Exit+Bail+Bond+Co+Inc,+905+W+Holly+St,+Rogers,+Arkansas+72756&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.330834,-94.184403&panoid=HDAZAGaMp4gCNB7zcGG3HQ&cbp=12,35.99,,0,4.93)


The independent signage is closer to the older version, but more centered, though AHTD sometimes gets things confused ;)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8106%2F8598372202_3e3afc9352_c_d.jpg&hash=edef19c265dd2bd0e9eb113bdb491116490bb74d)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: M86 on February 22, 2014, 01:59:55 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 21, 2014, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: M86 on February 21, 2014, 03:23:17 AM
bugo, Clearview is harder to read at night?  I'm just glad AHTD stopped using all caps on certain signage... That IS harder to read, based on studies.


Most of the signs on 540 were already U/L case, though I noticed on directions they're now using the larger initial letter
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7425%2F12468757355_63702b6023_c_d.jpg&hash=7ca15f21724c2b99c8a48a0a77bb7b46851f26c2)

I'm not talking about Interstate signage... I'm talking about this:

http://goo.gl/maps/vsNV4

and

http://goo.gl/maps/mGfJM

and those stupid arrows they use...
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 22, 2014, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: M86 on February 22, 2014, 01:59:55 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 21, 2014, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: M86 on February 21, 2014, 03:23:17 AM
bugo, Clearview is harder to read at night?  I'm just glad AHTD stopped using all caps on certain signage... That IS harder to read, based on studies.


Most of the signs on 540 were already U/L case, though I noticed on directions they're now using the larger initial letter
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7425%2F12468757355_63702b6023_c_d.jpg&hash=7ca15f21724c2b99c8a48a0a77bb7b46851f26c2)

I'm not talking about Interstate signage... I'm talking about this:

http://goo.gl/maps/vsNV4

and

http://goo.gl/maps/mGfJM

and those stupid arrows they use...


Like these?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7157%2F6848565645_7c12b982bc_z_d.jpg&hash=4f76606f431dd6bf220e181b5d930b9bc6909b24)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: andy3175 on February 22, 2014, 11:59:33 PM
Quote from: AHTD on February 19, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
We are moving away from including the state name on ground-level Interstate route markers. Signs in this area that were installed incorrectly (wrong version of sign) will be removed and replaced with the correct version.


Bummer. I have worked with Caltrans, and I know others have worked with UDOT, TxDOT, and LaDOTD to restore the state name to ground mounted Interstate highway signs. Although I do not presume to know what drove the decision apparently made by AHTD to move toward eliminating the state name from ground mounted Interstate highway signs, I do think it will be a mistake and sad, especially for a state surrounded on all sides (except Tennessee) that now utilizes the state name on their new ground-mounted Interstate highway signs. Hopefully this decision can be reversed, in my opinion, as there is no loss of sign legibility.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on February 24, 2014, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: AHTD on February 20, 2014, 12:09:27 AM


We haven't been putting state name on overhead (green) signs. We are currently removing from the ground- mounted signs.

Since they have already been posted, why not leave them in place? Seems like a waste of money to replace perfectly good new signs.

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on April 02, 2014, 03:27:21 PM
I noticed today a couple discrepancies in the Exit Numbering.

Most of the new exit signs have no number yet, but a few do.

US 64 at Van Buren is posted as Exit 2A 64 West / 2B  64 East  as you are going south on 540. Yet northbound 540,  it's 2A 64 East / 2B 64 West, so the A-B designations have traded places.  I just caught this today when the sign crews were installing more signs.

Also, the Janet Huckabee Nature Center is posted as Exit 4, instead of Exit 11 (AR 253 - Zero Street).

I'm not sure your sign vendors know what they are doing :(

UPDATE 4-3-14
That was fast: the erroneous exit numbers have been removed from the signs.  Looked like the "drill team" was busy today, too  ;)

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: AHTD on April 09, 2014, 11:32:49 AM
We put them on it as soon as we read your post.

Appreciate the input!
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on April 10, 2014, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: AHTD on April 09, 2014, 11:32:49 AM
We put them on it as soon as we read your post.

Appreciate the input!

I noticed the sign yard today: do you need me to inspect the signs before you post them? ;)  :spin:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2Ft31.0-8%2F10257721_10202784170397783_5690203189632951335_o.jpg&hash=25b622d7cfcb83d228b9184dd790de704815894d)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: M86 on April 11, 2014, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: US71 on April 10, 2014, 09:39:47 PM

I noticed the sign yard today: do you need me to inspect the signs before you post them? ;)  :spin:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2Ft31.0-8%2F10257721_10202784170397783_5690203189632951335_o.jpg&hash=25b622d7cfcb83d228b9184dd790de704815894d)

They didn't include state initials for the Oklahoma City sign.  I'd call that a win.  Control cities should not have state abbreviations... Good job, AHTD!

Now, please, for the love of anything holy, sign concurrent routes.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: M86 on April 11, 2014, 02:27:13 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 21, 2014, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: M86 on February 21, 2014, 03:23:17 AM

http://goo.gl/maps/mGfJM

and those stupid arrows they use...


Like these?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7157%2F6848565645_7c12b982bc_z_d.jpg&hash=4f76606f431dd6bf220e181b5d930b9bc6909b24)


Nope, the weird up and over arrows on signage... Not county, but state:

http://goo.gl/maps/VDyDw

I've never see those arrows on any signage outside of Arkansas.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: bjrush on April 11, 2014, 08:01:02 AM
Well if that is the intersecting roads' geometry, I don't see any problem with abandoning standards that don't fit the situation in the field
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on April 11, 2014, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: M86 on April 11, 2014, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: US71 on April 10, 2014, 09:39:47 PM

I noticed the sign yard today: do you need me to inspect the signs before you post them? ;)  :spin:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2Ft31.0-8%2F10257721_10202784170397783_5690203189632951335_o.jpg&hash=25b622d7cfcb83d228b9184dd790de704815894d)

They didn't include state initials for the Oklahoma City sign.  I'd call that a win.  Control cities should not have state abbreviations... Good job, AHTD!

Now, please, for the love of anything holy, sign concurrent routes.

OOPS!  :-o :pan:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3763/13410141084_b782b5a440_z_d.jpg)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: cjk374 on April 13, 2014, 07:01:52 AM
Quote from: US71 on April 11, 2014, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: M86 on April 11, 2014, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: US71 on April 10, 2014, 09:39:47 PM

I noticed the sign yard today: do you need me to inspect the signs before you post them? ;)  :spin:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2Ft31.0-8%2F10257721_10202784170397783_5690203189632951335_o.jpg&hash=25b622d7cfcb83d228b9184dd790de704815894d)

They didn't include state initials for the Oklahoma City sign.  I'd call that a win.  Control cities should not have state abbreviations... Good job, AHTD!

Now, please, for the love of anything holy, sign concurrent routes.

OOPS!  :-o :pan:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3763/13410141084_b782b5a440_z_d.jpg)

I'm blind....what am I not seeing that earned the OOPS?   :hmmm:
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: bjrush on April 13, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
Exit numbers
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: cjk374 on April 13, 2014, 10:55:10 AM
^ I thought that was intentional for planning the future permanent exit numbers.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on April 13, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: bjrush on April 13, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
Exit numbers

US 71 is missing.

The exit numbers are slowly beginning to show up.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: robbones on April 22, 2014, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: M86 on April 11, 2014, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: US71 on April 10, 2014, 09:39:47 PM

I noticed the sign yard today: do you need me to inspect the signs before you post them? ;)  :spin:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2Ft31.0-8%2F10257721_10202784170397783_5690203189632951335_o.jpg&hash=25b622d7cfcb83d228b9184dd790de704815894d)

They didn't include state initials for the Oklahoma City sign.  I'd call that a win.  Control cities should not have state abbreviations... Good job, AHTD!

Now, please, for the love of anything holy, sign concurrent routes.

Now with old I 540 north being reassigned as I 49, they will have to update the I 40 EB control signs to say something as I 40 East Little Rock/ TO I 49 North Fayetteville
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 22, 2014, 06:49:18 PM
I'm okay with some control cities having state abbreviations.  hell, I'd love it "Pensacola/Pascagoula" (tried reading that at 70mph if you're from the other side of the country) were signed "Florida/Mississippi". 

also, international destinations should always have them.  (even though it's funny if someone ends up in Vancouver without a passport.)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: robbones on April 22, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: AHTD on April 09, 2014, 11:32:49 AM
We put them on it as soon as we read your post.

Appreciate the input!

Since I 540 from Alma north has became I 49,  will the signs in Van Buren at the US 64/71B and I 40 interchanges be updated before the sign crew is finished in that area.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on April 22, 2014, 11:56:20 PM
I caught 3 more goofs today:

NB 540 at AR 22: the sign at the beginning of the ramp says Exit 7 (should be 8, I think?)

NB 540 approaching Kelley Hwy: the sign for the State Police says Exit 10 (should be 5 ?)

SB 540 at US 271: sign at the ramp says Exit 1 (should be 14 ?)

I'm guessing the sign vendor missed the memo about the exit numbers not changing.  :(

On a brighter note, things are beginning to look much better along the construction zone.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: RBBrittain on April 23, 2014, 03:04:58 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 22, 2014, 06:49:18 PM
I'm okay with some control cities having state abbreviations.  hell, I'd love it "Pensacola/Pascagoula" (tried reading that at 70mph if you're from the other side of the country) were signed "Florida/Mississippi". 

also, international destinations should always have them.  (even though it's funny if someone ends up in Vancouver without a passport.)
It's necessary on I-40/I-55 in West Memphis, where the next control cities past Memphis are Jackson, TN (I-40 EB) vs. Jackson, MS (I-55 SB). But then I can also remember when TDOT used just "Arkansas" (not Little Rock, or Blytheville, or even West Memphis) as the control city west of Memphis; I think that's how the I-55 Memphis & Arkansas Bridge got its name. :p
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: AHTD on April 23, 2014, 04:56:33 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 22, 2014, 11:56:20 PM
I caught 3 more goofs today:

NB 540 at AR 22: the sign at the beginning of the ramp says Exit 7 (should be 8, I think?)

NB 540 approaching Kelley Hwy: the sign for the State Police says Exit 10 (should be 5 ?)

SB 540 at US 271: sign at the ramp says Exit 1 (should be 14 ?)

I'm guessing the sign vendor missed the memo about the exit numbers not changing.  :(

On a brighter note, things are beginning to look much better along the construction zone.

Thank you!

This has been verified and the contractor has been instructed to correct the signage ASAP.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on April 30, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I apologize to all my fellow road enthusiasts:

All the Interstate Arkansas 540 shields have been replaced (yes, even the new ones).

All the signs are now Interstate 540 (no state name)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/14095163353_73bec08cb2_z_d.jpg)

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: robbones on April 30, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I apologize to all my fellow road enthusiasts:

All the Interstate Arkansas 540 shields have been replaced (yes, even the new ones).

All the signs are now Interstate 540 (no state name)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/14095163353_73bec08cb2_z_d.jpg)

Have they updated the signs in Van Buren to reflect I 49?
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: Alex on April 30, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I apologize to all my fellow road enthusiasts:

All the Interstate Arkansas 540 shields have been replaced (yes, even the new ones).

All the signs are now Interstate 540 (no state name)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/14095163353_73bec08cb2_z_d.jpg)

And I see that the shield needlessly retains the space meant for ARKANSAS. If you are going to neuter a shield, at least neuter it correctly:

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/AR/AR19835401t105400.jpg)
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: txstateends on April 30, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
I still don't get, why is it, neutered or non, that these I-540 shields have to have 2 posts to hold them up?  Are they *that* heavy?  It's not that windy up there, either, I wouldn't think.  I could see it if there were other routes being represented (like IF someone, oh, maybe highway-related, actually put US 62 and US 71 shields, one on each post, under the interstate shield), but this is a single route, with a sign that doesn't look THAT unwieldy.  Oh well, what do I know.....
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on April 30, 2014, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: robbones on April 30, 2014, 02:12:18 PM


Have they updated the signs in Van Buren to reflect I 49?

Not yet. Last I heard, AHTD is working on the intersecting roads along 49 north of Alma this week. I don't expect the overheads to change for at least another week.  I may run to Alma this weekend and see.

[txstateends}: The new signs are larger than the old signs were. Almost all the signs on 540 are now on the heavy I-beam posts.

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on May 05, 2014, 01:27:21 PM
Looks like I may have found another goof:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2901/14112196152_2312fd4e4a_d.jpg)

Doesn't 59 run North and South here? This one can probably be fixed with some green duct tape over the "north" part.   :bigass:
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: AHTD on May 06, 2014, 05:43:10 PM
Give us more specifics on where the photo was taken. Northbound on I-540?
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: bugo on May 06, 2014, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: robbones on April 30, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I apologize to all my fellow road enthusiasts:

All the Interstate Arkansas 540 shields have been replaced (yes, even the new ones).

All the signs are now Interstate 540 (no state name)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/14095163353_73bec08cb2_z_d.jpg)

Have they updated the signs in Van Buren to reflect I 49?

I-49 doesn't go through Van Buren.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: robbones on May 06, 2014, 07:08:37 PM
Quote from: bugo on May 06, 2014, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: robbones on April 30, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I apologize to all my fellow road enthusiasts:

All the Interstate Arkansas 540 shields have been replaced (yes, even the new ones).

All the signs are now Interstate 540 (no state name)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/14095163353_73bec08cb2_z_d.jpg)

Have they updated the signs in Van Buren to reflect I 49?

I-49 doesn't go through Van Buren.

I know this, but since 540 from Alma north of is now 49, they would have to correct the signs at exit 1B, and at the US 64 bridge as well as 40 EB at exit 7 in the median.
Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: US71 on May 06, 2014, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: robbones on May 06, 2014, 07:08:37 PM
Quote from: bugo on May 06, 2014, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: robbones on April 30, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I apologize to all my fellow road enthusiasts:

All the Interstate Arkansas 540 shields have been replaced (yes, even the new ones).

All the signs are now Interstate 540 (no state name)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/14095163353_73bec08cb2_z_d.jpg)

Have they updated the signs in Van Buren to reflect I 49?

I-49 doesn't go through Van Buren.

I know this, but since 540 from Alma north of is now 49, they would have to correct the signs at exit 1B, and at the US 64 bridge as well as 40 EB at exit 7 in the median.

There are 2 gantries at US 64 that will need changing, a gantry at Exit 1, a gore sign at Exit 1 (just set up last week).

Give me 20 minutes, I can come up with most of the signs that will need changing (not counting mileage signs at various exits along I-40) ;)

Title: Re: I-540 Signage (ATTN AHTD)
Post by: AHTD on May 07, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: US71 on May 05, 2014, 01:27:21 PM
Looks like I may have found another goof:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2901/14112196152_2312fd4e4a_d.jpg)

Doesn't 59 run North and South here? This one can probably be fixed with some green duct tape over the "north" part.   :bigass:

GREAT catch again! We traced this back as an error on the sign plan sheet:
http://www.arkansashighways.com/forums/1624_001.pdf (http://www.arkansashighways.com/forums/1624_001.pdf)

Our crews in the area have already made the correction.