580 is unconstructed from Vernalis to Hallelujah Junction/South Lake Tahoe

Started by bootmii, May 05, 2024, 03:01:00 AM

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heynow415

^^^^^

That's a great map - it really does highlight the corridor, some of which now has a bike path through it.  Also interesting to see how many small individual lots within mostly-developed subdivisions have been acquired to reduce overall development potential in the basin. And I'm sure the folks who have a cabin next to one of those vacant lots are thrilled to have it protected in perpetuity. Good for them! 


bootmii

I was talking about 395 _north_ of Reno and how that crosses the state line as a freeway.
Born again roadgeek from California.

The Ghostbuster

US 395 could potentially be upgraded to freeway standards after it crosses back into California, since there are only two at-grade intersection prior to the Exit 8/CA 70 interchange. However, only a roadgeek would likely advocate such an upgrade as small as that one.

mgk920

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 30, 2024, 11:58:26 AMUS 395 could potentially be upgraded to freeway standards after it crosses back into California, since there are only two at-grade intersection prior to the Exit 8/CA 70 interchange. However, only a roadgeek would likely advocate such an upgrade as small as that one.

Admit it, how many of us in here have pondered I-11 continuing northward via this highway into California and on past Bend, OR and into Washington?  :nod:

Mike

Max Rockatansky

I dunno, I'm more lamenting that stuff like that is something a certain sect in the road hobby thinks is necessary.

TheStranger

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 30, 2024, 05:05:25 PMI dunno, I'm more lamenting that stuff like that is something a certain sect in the road hobby thinks is necessary.

Hey, it's also the NCDOT mantra!  Interstates here, there, and everywhere to almost every town!

(The amusing side effect being the racetracks Rockingham and North Wilkesboro going from "isolated" to "right off the interstate!" as if US 421 and US 220 weren't Interstate-standard freeways already for years before this...)
Chris Sampang

pderocco

Quote from: mgk920 on May 30, 2024, 12:10:00 PMAdmit it, how many of us in here have pondered I-11 continuing northward via this highway into California and on past Bend, OR and into Washington?  :nod:
I'm not an Interstate fan, really, except for their obvious practical benefits in populous areas. In rural areas, I much prefer driving on expressways than freeways, because they have so much more character. If US-97 in central Oregon and Washington were ever upgraded to full freeway, I wouldn't like that at all. But then most of the driving I do is for pleasure, not work.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: pderocco on May 31, 2024, 03:32:05 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on May 30, 2024, 12:10:00 PMAdmit it, how many of us in here have pondered I-11 continuing northward via this highway into California and on past Bend, OR and into Washington?  :nod:
I'm not an Interstate fan, really, except for their obvious practical benefits in populous areas. In rural areas, I much prefer driving on expressways than freeways, because they have so much more character. If US-97 in central Oregon and Washington were ever upgraded to full freeway, I wouldn't like that at all. But then most of the driving I do is for pleasure, not work.

That's the thing, I don't know if a large percentage of the hobby is in this for the pleasure of driving.  One thing that has consistently surprised me since joining this forum is how many people don't like driving.

I was also surprised by the amount of people who want homogenization.  Having the same stuff like Interstate grade freeways and MUTCD compliant-whatever is boring to me.  I'll gladly take a state highway or Forest Service road over the Sierra Nevada versus I-80 if I can help it.

Bobby5280

Quote from: mgk920Admit it, how many of us in here have pondered I-11 continuing northward via this highway into California and on past Bend, OR and into Washington?

If I-11 was ever signed on US-395 going North out of Reno I could see it hooking into I-5 in the Medford-Ashland area after going to Klamath Falls. It's more of a stretch going farther up to Bend even though there is an existing North-South freeway going most of the way through that small city.

Quote from: pderoccoI'm not an Interstate fan, really, except for their obvious practical benefits in populous areas. In rural areas, I much prefer driving on expressways than freeways, because they have so much more character.

There are certain drawbacks to four lane divided expressways. At-grade intersections can be a serious problem, especially if they're placed in locations not 100% clearly visible to oncoming thru traffic. Hills and other rolling terrain can obstruct the view, even if the intersection is placed at the crest of the hill. You could be buzzing along at 70-75mph and not be aware Farmer John just pulled his pickup and trailer loaded with junk onto the highway from a connecting section line road. You crest over the hill and surprise! The situation can be even worse at night time. The intersections are often not lit. Some of these rural jackasses will drive without lights until it's pitch black dark.

Another thing I don't like about regular 4-lane divided expressways: if the intersections are not clearly signed it increases the possibility of wrong-way drivers. On at least 2 different occasions I've driven past wrong way drivers on US-287 between Wichita Falls and Fort Worth. At night. It's a good thing I was in the right lane. Parts of that road have really wide medians as well as a good amount of trees and bushes. Someone needing to turn left onto the highway has a brain fart and makes the first left, thinking it's a 2-lane road. They do that rather than crossing over the median to make the second left for the correct direction of traffic. There have been instances of people driving the wrong way on Interstates, but the motorist has to commit an even larger brain fart to do that.

dbz77

Quote from: tawnuskgrevy on May 14, 2024, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: heynow415 on May 06, 2024, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2024, 04:29:03 PMThat corridor was also explored as part of the 1973 Federal Aid Highway Act.  The alignment over Echo Summit included a tunnel.

If you rummage around with SLT parcel maps, such as the GIS maps on this site: https://see-eldorado.edcgov.us/ugotnet/ , it sure looks like not only was a corridor identified and/or adopted but future right of way was acquired or otherwise reserved at one time.  There is a broken chain of parcels that have the characteristics of a future freeway, including flaring out at certain intersections for interchanges. 
For example, between the airport and Onnontioga Street there is a strip parcel that flares where Washoan Blvd. dead-ends. Another runs parallel to Barbara Avenue and northeast of that on either side of Al Tahoe Blvd is another segment that flares for what would have been another interchange.  There are then several property lines diagonal to the underlying block layout that would reflect the corridor sweeping across Pioneer Trail at Needle Peak Road, with another potential interchange at Ski Run Blvd., and then an large strip parcel that runs behind the Raley's shopping center and Heavenly Village that flares out again for another potential interchange at stateline. 
Coincidence?  Perhaps but being in the land planning business, having property lines and parcels like this is very suggestive of a planned transportation corridor, particularly in an area where property lines tend to be straight and square or follow natural features like a creek.  Zooming out a bit on the map it is easy to see how these could link together to provide that once-planned freeway corridor that would wind around more developed areas.

The Tahoe Conservancy owns a good portion of those parcels and has all their properties highlighted on a GIS map that makes the planned corridor really easy to see (especially at the northeast end); it's very neat to have this level of evidence for a planned-and-abandoned project like this:






Too bad we never had the freeway.

Imagine going through the tunnel at Echo Summit, and then reaching a four-lane freeway around the sotheast edge of the Tahoe Basib, being able to reach Stateline in only five minutes.

If that freeway had been built in the 1970's as planned, most of the developmnet would have been along the freeway corridor, away from the shoreline.



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