This is a thread about US counties that do not have any federal highways (Interstates and US Routes). This subject is not discussed in Poiponen13 in one thread because it is about real roads and is a question. I know that there are some threads about this subject already, but they have their last post many years ago, so it was better to start a new thread.
So, I have found that eastern Kentucky has a cluster of such counties. Many counties there have no federal highways, only state highways. It would be nice to have a complete list about such counties in AARoads Wiki. What other states have them?
Georgia has plenty, despite it having a dense amount of US routes statewide.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 07:27:43 AM
Georgia has plenty, despite it having a dense amount of US routes statewide.
If I remember correctly, only 10 out of 159 (6.3%) have no federal highways.
Lancaster County, VA
Mathews County, VA
Westmoreland County, VA
Four of Hawaii's five counties (all except Honolulu).
Alaska has four unsigned Interstates. They serve Kenai Peninsula Borough, Anchorage Municipality (borough equivalent), Matanuska-Susitna, Denali, and Fairbanks North Star boroughs, and parts of the vast Unorganized Borough. The Census Bureau subdivides the U.B. into census areas, most of which are Interstate-free. The Interstate-less boroughs/equivalents are Aleutians East, Lake and Peninsula, Kodiak Island, Bristol Bay, Northwest Arctic, North Slope, Yakutat, Skagway, Haines, Juneau, Sitka, Petersburg, Wrangell, and Ketchikan Gateway.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 25, 2023, 06:54:03 AM
US counties that do not have any federal highways (Interstates and US Routes).
Calrog, is this you?
Anyway, in Michigan: Luce, Montmorency, Leelanau, Oscoda, Missaukee, Gladwin, Newaygo, Huron, Tuscola, Sanilac, Barry
In Florida you have only Liberty and Calhoun.
In New Jersey it's only Cumberland.
Massachusetts is easy. Dukes and Nantucket Counties.
New York would have all four Long Island Counties if the OP wanted US routes as the big island has no US routes. However since 1983-84 the LIE has become interstate giving Nassau and Suffolk their first and only interstate.
An another step of this "survey" is to find all the counties which also do not border any counties with interstates.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:12:15 AM
New York would have all four Long Island Counties if the OP wanted US routes as the big island has no US routes. However since 1983-84 the LIE has become interstate giving Nassau and Suffolk their first and only interstate.
Don't mention NY and only do a half-#$% job. There are a lot of counties in NY without a US or Interstate highway.
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 25, 2023, 07:32:43 AM
Lancaster County, VA
Mathews County, VA
Westmoreland County, VA
Also:
Craig County
Dickinson County (until US 121 is built)
Quote from: GaryV on December 25, 2023, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 25, 2023, 06:54:03 AM
US counties that do not have any federal highways (Interstates and US Routes).
Calrog, is this you?
Beat me to it. Anyone want to attempt to explain Calrog and how "Federal Highway" a community faux pas?
Quote from: Rothman on December 25, 2023, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:12:15 AM
New York would have all four Long Island Counties if the OP wanted US routes as the big island has no US routes. However since 1983-84 the LIE has become interstate giving Nassau and Suffolk their first and only interstate.
Don't mention NY and only do a half-#$% job. There are a lot of counties in NY without a US or Interstate highway.
I'm not going to please you by taking a few extra moments to please look it up just for your sake. If you want to know what other counties in NY have none, you go look it up yourself!
Kansas has only Greeley, Wichita and Lane. Oklahoma has only Haskell.
Calvert, Caroline and St. Mary's, MD, although for Calvert and St. Mary's it's simply a case of being in a less-than-ideal location.
Colorado has Gilpin, Rio Blanco, Custer, Hinsdale, San Miguel, Pitkin, and Crowley.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 25, 2023, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:12:15 AM
New York would have all four Long Island Counties if the OP wanted US routes as the big island has no US routes. However since 1983-84 the LIE has become interstate giving Nassau and Suffolk their first and only interstate.
Don't mention NY and only do a half-#$% job. There are a lot of counties in NY without a US or Interstate highway.
I'm not going to please you by taking a few extra moments to please look it up just for your sake. If you want to know what other counties in NY have none, you go look it up yourself!
Hello Viatologists!
The following counties in NY have no federal routes. Learn about this and more at the Worldwide Transportation Library (WWTL)!
Orleans
Yates
Schuyler
Tompkins
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Wayne
Hamilton
Fulton
Lewis
(sorry, I couldn't resist)
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
Orleans
Yates
Schuyler
Tompkins
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Wayne
Hamilton
Lewis
There's also Monroe, Chemung, Chenango, and Delaware that have Interstates but no US Routes.
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 25, 2023, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:12:15 AM
New York would have all four Long Island Counties if the OP wanted US routes as the big island has no US routes. However since 1983-84 the LIE has become interstate giving Nassau and Suffolk their first and only interstate.
Don't mention NY and only do a half-#$% job. There are a lot of counties in NY without a US or Interstate highway.
I'm not going to please you by taking a few extra moments to please look it up just for your sake. If you want to know what other counties in NY have none, you go look it up yourself!
Hello Viatologists!
The following counties in NY have no federal routes. Learn about this and more at the Worldwide Transportation Library (WWTL)!
Orleans
Yates
Schuyler
Tompkins
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Wayne
Hamilton
Lewis
(sorry, I couldn't resist)
Well-played!
At the opposite end of this discussion, every county in South Carolina is served by at least two US highways.
Quote from: webny99 on December 25, 2023, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
Orleans
Yates
Schuyler
Tompkins
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Wayne
Hamilton
Lewis
There's also Monroe, Chemung, Chenango, and Delaware that have Interstates but no US Routes.
Kings, Nassau, Queens, Richmond and Suffolk Counties in New York fit that later description, too.
:nod:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on December 25, 2023, 02:07:21 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 25, 2023, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
Orleans
Yates
Schuyler
Tompkins
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Wayne
Hamilton
Lewis
There's also Monroe, Chemung, Chenango, and Delaware that have Interstates but no US Routes.
Kings, Nassau, Queens, Richmond and Suffolk Counties in New York fit that later description, too.
Wow, of course. Knew I was forgetting some. Statewide, that's 17 of 62 without a US Route.
I think Wilcox County is the only one of Alabama's 67 counties without a US or Interstate highway. Some of the others get close, wbut ith a US route just barely clipping into them.
EDIT: Geneva County as well. So that's 2/67 counties in Alabama..
EDIT 2: Clay County too. Dunno how I missed that, even though I've straight-up driven through that one...
Quote from: GaryV on December 25, 2023, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 25, 2023, 06:54:03 AM
US counties that do not have any federal highways (Interstates and US Routes).
Calrog, is this you?
My thought too. There are not federal highways, they are US highways and interstates, built and maintained by the states. Now, some highways do get federal aid, but they can range from an unmarked highway to an interstate, but they typically are part of the National Highway System (NHS).
Quote from: webny99 on December 25, 2023, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 25, 2023, 02:07:21 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 25, 2023, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
Orleans
Yates
Schuyler
Tompkins
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Wayne
Hamilton
Lewis
There's also Monroe, Chemung, Chenango, and Delaware that have Interstates but no US Routes.
Kings, Nassau, Queens, Richmond and Suffolk Counties in New York fit that later description, too.
Wow, of course. Knew I was forgetting some. Statewide, that's 17 of 62 without a US Route.
Think that's got to do with New York not wanting US routes in the first place. New York City is the largest city in the nation, but sadly only has two US routes enter its limits. Both, too, are N-S odd numbers and no E-W routes, but US 46 almost entering it on the GWB.
That's why both US 46 and 220 end at the state lines and don't go further. Historically US 106 also ended at the state line, and never entered it as well.
MN:
Cook*
Isanti+
Kanabec+
Lake*
Lake of the Woods
Pope
Roseau
Watonwan
*formerly served by US 61
+may have for a very brief time been served by US 65
Counties that just barely get clipped:
Crow Wing (US 169; formerly served properly by US 210 and US 371)
Houston (US 14/61; formerly served properly by US 16)
Sibley (US 169)
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/414604958_2645703132260386_4325876947118860863_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=3635dc&_nc_ohc=f-TD43vqPDEAX-7-PIc&_nc_ht=scontent.ffcm1-2.fna&oh=00_AfAnDSOie40L8Yga3Jga24qGvceqc1g-p3fGa5l-5-sU7w&oe=658E1954)
Red =never had a US/Interstate route
Pink = no current US/Interstate routes
Gold: currently served
Here in Wisconsin, I know for certain that Door and Menominee Counties fit that description, but I know that there are others.
Mike
Quote from: Brandon on December 25, 2023, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 25, 2023, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 25, 2023, 06:54:03 AM
US counties that do not have any federal highways (Interstates and US Routes).
Calrog, is this you?
My thought too. There are not federal highways, they are US highways and interstates, built and maintained by the states. Now, some highways do get federal aid, but they can range from an unmarked highway to an interstate, but they typically are part of the National Highway System (NHS).
I don't understand why it's so hard to stamp out misinformation on how transportation infrastructure is federally-funded. We just had a thread where asking about "percentages spent" or whatnot when it comes to federal-aid was shown to be a tricky business.
Federal funding is not "typically" spent on the NHS. Rather, what guides eligibility of funding are routes designated as part of the
federal-aid system (FAS), essentially by functional class (a few functional classes are ineligible -- anything deemed "local" and a couple of other ones...too lazy to look it up right now...some sort of collectors for some arbitrary reasons...). Anyway, a lot of just run-of-the-mill roads are on the FAS.
Then you have to look at the various core flavors of federal funds that can be spent on the FAS: NHP, CMAQ, STBG/STP, and HSIP (Google if you don't know those initialisms; FHWA fact sheets are quite informative). Eh, throw in the new Carbon Reduction, too...what the heck (unless you're in Florida, where they were the only ones who made the idiotic decision not to accept it). Although NHP generally is spent on the NHS, even then, states can spend it on off-NHS bridges if their bridges suck (spoilers: They all suck). So, with NHP only being a portion of the core funding out there and a decent amount of it not being spent on the NHS, that leaves a large amount of core funds which is typically
not spent on the NHS.
What makes me groan every time I see yet another misunderstanding about federal funding on here is that it's actually quite easy to look up the federal apportionments, which get you halfway there in understanding federal funding, as do the FHWA fact sheets regarding each fund source. Instead, it seems people go by some secondary or tertiary source or just what they hear somewhere that gets it wrong (even those out there by "trusted" roadgeeks are horrifically wrong).
And if someone in response to this post says, "I thought NHP/NHS was 90% of federal funding," then we need to revoke their high school diploma and send them back to learn about percentages and why numerators and denominators matter once again.
Anyway, yes "federal highways" is nonsense and Calrog deserved all the derision sent his way. But, when it comes to how federal-aid is allocated and spent, the eligibility is quite broad, far beyond US and Interstate highways and any route/road designated as part of the NHS.
(And yes, to those in the know, I skipped how STBG-Off-System is for bridges off the federal-aid system to keep things simpler)...
Texas has 17 counties without a US route or interstate, shown by the red counties on the map:
(https://imgur.com/qf9wRuK.jpg)
Aransas | Bandera | Bosque | Brazoria | Briscoe | Burleson | Cochran | Delta | Grimes | Hansford | Hutchinson | Jim Hogg | Llano | Loving | Matagorda | McMullen | Winkler
I would like to note that my home county, Brazoria, is the largest county in the US by both land area and population that has never had a US route or interstate running through its borders, which seems to make it pretty special.
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 25, 2023, 07:13:01 PM
Texas has 17 counties without a US route or interstate, shown by the red counties on the map:
(https://imgur.com/qf9wRuK.jpg)
Aransas | Bandera | Bosque | Brazoria | Briscoe | Burleson | Cochran | Delta | Grimes | Hansford | Hutchinson | Jim Hogg | Llano | Loving | Matagorda | McMullen | Winkler
I would like to note that my home county, Brazoria, is the largest county in the US by both land area and population that has never had a US route or interstate running through its borders, which seems to make it pretty special.
Huh. I thought there would have been more in those smaller counties northwest of Dallas and southeast of Amarillo.
The only counties in Kentucky with a federal highway are those that have national park or national forest routes within them. PowerPoint13 is way off base with his definition of "federal" highways.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 25, 2023, 07:52:07 PM
The only counties in Kentucky with a federal highway are those that have national park or national forest routes within them. PowerPoint13 is way off base with his definition of "federal" highways.
I think we all know what the OP meant. Yes there are no federal routes, but designations. However, some on AA Roads get technical about things and try to correct grammar and the like. Yes, he should change route to designation, but it's too late now. This topic progressed already, so be glad it made it several replies later to pick up.
Four counties in West Virginia without Interstate and U.S. Routes:
- Webster
- Wirt
- Pleasants
- Tyler
Indiana-
No Interstates or US Routes: Blackford, Brown, Fayette, Ohio, Switzerland (5)
1 Interstate but no US Routes: Crawford, Monroe, Pike, Posey (4)
No Interstates but 1 US Route: Carroll, Fulton, Jay, Jefferson, Jennings, Kosciusko, Lawrence, Orange, Owen, Tipton, Union, Wabash, Washington (13)
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
That was my point earlier with I-495 on Long Island. It created a scenario where two more counties got to get interstates that had neither US or interstates before. Sure you had Richmond, Kings, and Queens with interstate only before as well as others out there especially along I-86. NY isn't a very US Route friendly state where others are more welcome to US routes over interstates.
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
Yep, NY's the best.
Quote from: mgk920 on December 25, 2023, 05:57:15 PM
Here in Wisconsin, I know for certain that Door and Menominee Counties fit that description, but I know that there are others.
Mike
I also found Burnett, Taylor, Kewaunee, Adams, Green, and Green Lake Counties.
^^^^^
Quote from: Rothman on December 25, 2023, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
Yep, NY's the best.
It's also got interstates that replaced state routes over US routes hence I-88 replacing NY 7 and currently I-86 slowly replacing NY 17.
Some may argue that I-90 replaced all of NY 5 despite it being the Thruway first as well.
I think I got all of Washington's counties with no US or Interstate routes:
Kitsap
San Juan
Skamania
Wahkiakum
(ignoring Federally maintained roads like Forest Service roads, roads on military bases)
Quote from: GaryV on December 25, 2023, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 25, 2023, 06:54:03 AM
US counties that do not have any federal highways (Interstates and US Routes).
Calrog, is this you?
Someone beat me to it, I see. Could you imagine if Poiponen was a Calrog sock all along?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 25, 2023, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 25, 2023, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 25, 2023, 06:54:03 AM
US counties that do not have any federal highways (Interstates and US Routes).
Calrog, is this you?
Someone beat me to it, I see. Could you imagine if Poiponen was a Calrog sock all along?
That would be.... very surprising. They have pretty different styles.
Tennessee has nine counties without US or Interstate highways: Clay, Hancock, Houston, Jackson, Lake, Macon, Meigs, Overton, and Union. And one county with two interstates and a NPS route but no US routes: Hickman.
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
Just thinking this through...
The previous count for interstates only was 9, but I missed Allegany. So that's 10, for a total of 19 counties with no US route.
The count for US routes only with no Interstate is currently 4; Sullivan, Wyoming, St. Lawrence, and Franklin, for a total of 13 counties with no Interstate.
So, if that math is correct, 43 counties have US routes and 49 have interstates.
How many other states are there where that latter number is greater? I can't think of any off hand and it wouldn't shock me if there are none.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 25, 2023, 07:52:07 PM
The only counties in Kentucky with a federal highway are those that have national park or national forest routes within them. PowerPoint13 is way off base with his definition of "federal" highways.
As laid out in the OP, I believe the following counties of Kentucky are those in question:
Adair
Bracken
Breathitt
Cumberland
Elliott
Estill
Knott
Lee
Lewis
Martin
Monroe
Owsley
Perry
Powell
Spencer
Wayne
Wolfe
I admit I may have missed an edge case or two.
Here's a map, showing the cluster mentioned in the OP:
(https://i.imgur.com/0J3dPQT.png)
Here are all of the counties in Iowa that don't have an interstate or US highway:
Appanoose
Butler
Emmet
Guthrie
Keokuk
Marion
Pocahontas
Taylor
Van Buren
In addition, Monona County is the only county in Iowa to have an interstate but not a US highway (although it used to have US 75).
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
That was my point earlier with I-495 on Long Island. It created a scenario where two more counties got to get interstates that had neither US or interstates before. Sure you had Richmond, Kings, and Queens with interstate only before as well as others out there especially along I-86. NY isn't a very US Route friendly state where others are more welcome to US routes over interstates.
And yet your post never even left Long Island...
Quote from: vdeane on December 26, 2023, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
That was my point earlier with I-495 on Long Island. It created a scenario where two more counties got to get interstates that had neither US or interstates before. Sure you had Richmond, Kings, and Queens with interstate only before as well as others out there especially along I-86. NY isn't a very US Route friendly state where others are more welcome to US routes over interstates.
And yet your post never even left Long Island...
Doesn't have to, both Nassau and Suffolk counted before circa 1985 as counties without US or interstates as I-495 was originally NY 495.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 26, 2023, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 26, 2023, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
That was my point earlier with I-495 on Long Island. It created a scenario where two more counties got to get interstates that had neither US or interstates before. Sure you had Richmond, Kings, and Queens with interstate only before as well as others out there especially along I-86. NY isn't a very US Route friendly state where others are more welcome to US routes over interstates.
And yet your post never even left Long Island...
Doesn't have to, both Nassau and Suffolk counted before circa 1985 as counties without US or interstates as I-495 was originally NY 495.
Well, my post was about the whole state, so to say that your post already covered what my post said when your post never left the island is disingenuous.
Here's Illinois:
Red represents counties with both Interstates and US Highways.
Pink represents counties with Interstates only.
Orange represents counties with US Highways only.
There's a sliver of US-51 in the northwestern corner of Jefferson County, but not the entire roadway. I counted it, but I kind of didn't want to.
(https://i.imgur.com/8y0ObG7.png)
I admit I may have missed an edge case or two.
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 25, 2023, 07:13:01 PM
Texas has 17 counties without a US route or interstate, shown by the red counties on the map:
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I like this concept! Had fun trying it out for NY using a loosely TM-based color scheme (red+blue=purple) and I would not mind adding to this map to potentially complete the whole country, starting with any full state breakdowns that are listed here.
(https://imgur.com/5Xgvq7A.jpg)
My upthread math on NY was a tad off. I missed Montgomery having no US route and Washington having no interstate, so the correct totals are as follows:
Purple = 37 counties with BOTH a US Route and an Interstate
Blue = 11 counties with an Interstate, but no US Route
Red = 5 counties with a US Route, but no Interstate
Brown = 9 counties with NEITHER a US Route nor an Interstate
48 counties with an Interstate //
14 counties with no Interstate
42 counties with a US Route //
20 counties with no US Route
California has a few places without US-Route and Interstate Routes.Yuba, Sutter, Butte and Lake County are some of the most populated counties in California without US Route or Interstates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuba_County,_California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutter_County,_California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_County,_California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butte_County,_California
Without fact checking, counties in California with no Interstates or US routes:
Alpine
Amador
Butte
Calaveras
Lake
Madera
Mariposa
Napa
Plumas
Santa Cruz
Sutter
Toulumne
Trinity
Tulare
Yuba
It's interesting to see that most of these counties are in the sparsely populated Sierra Nevada. Santa Cruz is the only coastal county not served by US 101 or I-5.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 26, 2023, 12:55:59 PM
Here's Illinois:
Red represents counties with both Interstates and US Highways.
Pink represents counties with Interstates only.
Orange represents counties with US Highways only.
There's a sliver of US-51 in the northwestern corner of Jefferson County, but not the entire roadway. I counted it, but I kind of didn't want to.
(https://i.imgur.com/8y0ObG7.png)
I admit I may have missed an edge case or two.
I-57 barely ticks the NW corner of Clay County, just barely, but does enter it.
Mike
Quote from: webny99 on December 26, 2023, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 25, 2023, 07:13:01 PM
Texas has 17 counties without a US route or interstate, shown by the red counties on the map:
[img snipped]http://
I like this concept! Had fun trying it out for NY using a loosely TM-based color scheme (red+blue=purple) and I would not mind adding to this map to potentially complete the whole country, starting with any full state breakdowns that are listed here.
(https://imgur.com/5Xgvq7A.jpg)
My upthread math on NY was a tad off. I missed Montgomery having no US route and Washington having no interstate, so the correct totals are as follows:
Purple = 37 counties with BOTH a US Route and an Interstate
Blue = 11 counties with an Interstate, but no US Route
Red = 5 counties with a US Route, but no Interstate
Brown = 9 counties with NEITHER a US Route nor an Interstate
48 counties with an Interstate // 14 counties with no Interstate
42 counties with a US Route // 20 counties with no US Route
Delaware County has 206 in it. :spin:
Quote from: Rothman on December 26, 2023, 01:56:03 PM
Delaware County has 206 in it. :spin:
NY 206, but not US 206. :sombrero:
Quote from: mgk920 on December 26, 2023, 01:48:19 PM
I-57 barely ticks the NW corner of Clay County, just barely, but does enter it.
I have corrected the error:
(https://i.imgur.com/k13cO5o.png)
Here is a breakdown of Colorado's highways within counties:
(https://i.postimg.cc/k5W1gKGV/Nunito4.png) (https://postimg.cc/v1HLP1WM)
Red = 24 counties with both an Interstate and a U.S. Highway
Orange = 0 counties with an Interstate but no U.S. Highways
Green = 33 counties with a U.S. Highway but no Interstates
Gray = 7 counties with no Interstates or U.S. Highways
24 counties with an Interstate // 40 without
57 counties with a U.S. Highway // 7 without
This may seem obvious, but there are no counties in Colorado with an Interstate but no U.S. Highways due to Colorado's vast amount of concurrencies and parallel routes. Let me know if I screwed up.
Quote from: vdeane on December 26, 2023, 11:03:08 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 26, 2023, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 26, 2023, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
That was my point earlier with I-495 on Long Island. It created a scenario where two more counties got to get interstates that had neither US or interstates before. Sure you had Richmond, Kings, and Queens with interstate only before as well as others out there especially along I-86. NY isn't a very US Route friendly state where others are more welcome to US routes over interstates.
And yet your post never even left Long Island...
Doesn't have to, both Nassau and Suffolk counted before circa 1985 as counties without US or interstates as I-495 was originally NY 495.
Well, my post was about the whole state, so to say that your post already covered what my post said when your post never left the island is disingenuous.
Whatever.
Go join your friend Rothman and build igloos together in the Arctic.
Red: Has US Highways
Blue: Has Interstate Highways
Magenta: Both
White: Neither
(https://i.imgur.com/XH3R5Mv.png)
The white counties are: Cavalier, Dunn, Grant, Griggs, Hettinger, Logan, McIntosh, Mercer, Oliver, Ransom, Sargent, Sioux, Steele
Interestingly, Morton County has two Interstate Highways (94, 194) but no US highways.
Quote from: flan on December 26, 2023, 05:59:11 PM
Interestingly, Morton County has two Interstate Highways (94, 194) but no US highways.
That is notable considering there are only 3 interstates in ND!
NY also has a few of these, my home county of Monroe has 4 Interstates but no US Routes, as does Queens.
MN counties with Interstates but no US routes, though all had US routes that have been decommissioned.
Carlton (former US 61 and US 210)
Martin (former US 16)
Pine (former US 61)
Rice (former US 65)
Douglas County has I-94, but no signed US routes as US 52 is hidden.
I'd have to double check, but I'm fairly certain every county with an interstate in it here in Alabama also has at least one US Route in it.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 26, 2023, 05:01:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 26, 2023, 11:03:08 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 26, 2023, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 26, 2023, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 09:03:29 PM
NY, interestingly enough, has more counties that have only interstates than only US routes (and by a lot, not just barely). I feel like it's normally the reverse.
That was my point earlier with I-495 on Long Island. It created a scenario where two more counties got to get interstates that had neither US or interstates before. Sure you had Richmond, Kings, and Queens with interstate only before as well as others out there especially along I-86. NY isn't a very US Route friendly state where others are more welcome to US routes over interstates.
And yet your post never even left Long Island...
Doesn't have to, both Nassau and Suffolk counted before circa 1985 as counties without US or interstates as I-495 was originally NY 495.
Well, my post was about the whole state, so to say that your post already covered what my post said when your post never left the island is disingenuous.
Whatever.
Go join your friend Rothman and build igloos together in the Arctic.
:rolleyes: Are you sending us to live in the bustling metropolis known as Souky?
Of Utah's 29 counties:
Interstate and US: 11 (Box Elder, Davis, Emery, Grand, Juab, Millard, Salt Lake, Sevier, Summit, Utah, Weber)
Interstate only: 5 (Beaver, Iron, Morgan, Tooele, Washington)
US only: 12 (Cache, Carbon, Daggett, Duchesne, Garfield, Kane, Piute, Rich, San Juan, Sanpete, Uintah, Wasatch)
That leaves Wayne County as the only one with neither interstate nor US highway.
As a side note, all five Interstate-only counties historically had US highways that were decommissioned when the interstates came through.
Quote from: mgk920 on December 25, 2023, 05:57:15 PM
Here in Wisconsin, I know for certain that Door and Menominee Counties fit that description, but I know that there are others.
Mike
Green Lake County does not either. 23, 73, 44, 49 and 91 are all state highways.
Taking a quick peak at the Wisconsin map...
Adams
Burnett
Door
Green
Green Lake
Menominee
Taylor
As fas I can tell, that is it.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 27, 2023, 04:27:21 PM
Taking a quick peak at the Wisconsin map...
Adams
Burnett
Door
Green
Green Lake
Menominee
Taylor
As fas I can tell, that is it.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 25, 2023, 09:30:03 PM
I also found Burnett, Taylor, Kewaunee, Adams, Green, and Green Lake Counties.
Pretty sure we've already done this but I'm not in the mood to search for it right now.
In Indiana, Blackford, Brown, Fayette, Ohio and Switzerland counties have no Federal highways. Monroe used to be on the list until I-69 was completed into the county.
To the best of my knowledge, the only counties in Wisconsin with no 'US' highways but do have interstates are Ozaukee and Sheboygan.
Mike
I tried my hand at Michigan. It's one of the more interesting states so far IMO, with a good spread of US Route/Interstate combinations. The UP is dominated by counties with a US route only, but somehow also has one county each with neither, both, and an Interstate only.
(https://imgur.com/n8I7HzG.jpg)
Surprisingly, Montana only has 6 counties without either a US or Interstate highway:
(https://i.imgur.com/SnI09sL.png)
Blue: Interstate
Gray: US
Striped: Both
Quote from: webny99 on December 26, 2023, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 25, 2023, 07:13:01 PM
Texas has 17 counties without a US route or interstate, shown by the red counties on the map:
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I like this concept! Had fun trying it out for NY using a loosely TM-based color scheme (red+blue=purple) and I would not mind adding to this map to potentially complete the whole country, starting with any full state breakdowns that are listed here.
I've been chipping away at this, closing in on half-done with a handful of states still to transfer from this thread and using the "show roads" function on mob-rule for any states missing here. Most of what's remaining is in the Southeast and Pacific Northwest so any contributions from those states would be appreciated. :)
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
The following counties in NY have no federal routes.
...
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Upon closer inspection, is there a debate on this? The two most logical temporary termini for I-86 would be (1) the US 220 interchange and (2) the NY/PA line just west of there, both of which would mean a short section of I-86 currently exists in Tioga County. Google actually labels I-86 as ending at the
eastern end of the segment in PA, which would be a third option. But most importantly for this discussion, there's
literally a mainline I-86 shield in Tioga County (https://maps.app.goo.gl/fK1kA7UVXZpbazjR6), and signage on US 220 includes
I-86 WB but only NY 17 EB (https://maps.app.goo.gl/RwkNxminU496macDA), so I am strongly inclined to count it as having an Interstate.
Adding Tioga to NY's list of counties with an interstate but no US route (thus adding to the buffer for both "most in the nation" and "most relative to US-route only counties") would be a nice bonus.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 25, 2023, 07:52:07 PM
The only counties in Kentucky with a federal highway are those that have national park or national forest routes within them.
Now I'm curious to know how many counties
do have federal highways!
Quote from: webny99 on December 29, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
The following counties in NY have no federal routes.
...
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Upon closer inspection, is there a debate on this? The two most logical temporary termini for I-86 would be (1) the US 220 interchange and (2) the NY/PA line just west of there, both of which would mean a short section of I-86 currently exists in Tioga County. Google actually labels I-86 as ending at the eastern end of the segment in PA, which would be a third option. But most importantly for this discussion, there's literally a mainline I-86 shield in Tioga County (https://maps.app.goo.gl/fK1kA7UVXZpbazjR6), and signage on US 220 includes I-86 WB but only NY 17 EB (https://maps.app.goo.gl/RwkNxminU496macDA), so I am strongly inclined to count it as having an Interstate.
Adding Tioga to NY's list of counties with an interstate but no US route (thus adding to the buffer for both "most in the nation" and "most relative to US-route only counties") would be a nice bonus.
I don't know about the others in the peanut gallery, but I do consider US 220 to be fully present in Tioga, County, New York and I-86 to be fully present in Bradford County, Pennsylvania. There are signs on I-86 where the highway crosses the NY-PA state line there and I also did a 'Highway Feature Of the Week' feature on it, complete with a detailed USGS map, a couple of decades ago.
Mike
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway in NC and VA count as a Federal Highway? It's not maintained by the states, but by the National Park Service.
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway enter NC or VA Counties without US or Interstate routes?
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway in NC and VA count as a Federal Highway? It's not maintained by the states, but by the National Park Service.
I would think so as the National Park Service is a part of the Department of the Interior, a part of the federal government.
Quote from: mgk920 on December 29, 2023, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 29, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 25, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
The following counties in NY have no federal routes.
...
Tioga (maybe for now, depending on whether I-86 ends at the county line or the US 220 interchange in PA)
Upon closer inspection, is there a debate on this? The two most logical temporary termini for I-86 would be (1) the US 220 interchange and (2) the NY/PA line just west of there, both of which would mean a short section of I-86 currently exists in Tioga County. Google actually labels I-86 as ending at the eastern end of the segment in PA, which would be a third option. But most importantly for this discussion, there's literally a mainline I-86 shield in Tioga County (https://maps.app.goo.gl/fK1kA7UVXZpbazjR6), and signage on US 220 includes I-86 WB but only NY 17 EB (https://maps.app.goo.gl/RwkNxminU496macDA), so I am strongly inclined to count it as having an Interstate.
Adding Tioga to NY's list of counties with an interstate but no US route (thus adding to the buffer for both "most in the nation" and "most relative to US-route only counties") would be a nice bonus.
I don't know about the others in the peanut gallery, but I do consider US 220 to be fully present in Tioga, County, New York and I-86 to be fully present in Bradford County, Pennsylvania. There are signs on I-86 where the highway crosses the NY-PA state line there and I also did a 'Highway Feature Of the Week' feature on it, complete with a detailed USGS map, a couple of decades ago.
Mike
I believe I-86 officially ends at the Chemung/Tioga line, but given signage most people consider it to end at US 220 as far as I'm aware. As for US 220, it was officially truncated to the NY/PA line a few years ago. Given that the road the north side of the NY 17 interchange is right on the state line, I-86 and US 220 effectively end at each other right now.
Quote from: RZF on December 26, 2023, 01:47:40 PM
Without fact checking, counties in California with no Interstates or US routes:
Alpine
Amador
Butte
Calaveras
Lake
Madera
Mariposa
Napa
Plumas
Santa Cruz
Sutter
Toulumne
Trinity
Tulare
Yuba
It's interesting to see that most of these counties are in the sparsely populated Sierra Nevada. Santa Cruz is the only coastal county not served by US 101 or I-5.
I-80 nicks the southeast corner of Napa County for a mile or so.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway enter NC or VA Counties without US or Interstate routes?
That's an interesting question, and not one I know how to easily answer. Some others on here seem to be better at that kind of thing. But, if it does pass through such a county, then said county would be one that doesn't have any "federal highway" (in quotes) but does have a federal highway (without quotes).
Quote from: kphoger on December 29, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway enter NC or VA Counties without US or Interstate routes?
That's an interesting question, and not one I know how to easily answer. Some others on here seem to be better at that kind of thing. But, if it does pass through such a county, then said county would be one that doesn't have any "federal highway" (in quotes) but does have a federal highway (without quotes).
Opening up a bigger can of worms here, Interstates and US routes aren't technically federal highways, they're state highways using a federal numbering system.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 29, 2023, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 29, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway enter NC or VA Counties without US or Interstate routes?
That's an interesting question, and not one I know how to easily answer. Some others on here seem to be better at that kind of thing. But, if it does pass through such a county, then said county would be one that doesn't have any "federal highway" (in quotes) but does have a federal highway (without quotes).
Opening up a bigger can of worms here, Interstates and US routes aren't technically federal highways, they're state highways using a federal numbering system.
No, that's the can that has already been opened. Our point is that some highways are truly federal. The Blue Ridge Parkway is maintained by the NPS, not the states of North Carolina and Virginia.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 29, 2023, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 29, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway enter NC or VA Counties without US or Interstate routes?
That's an interesting question, and not one I know how to easily answer. Some others on here seem to be better at that kind of thing. But, if it does pass through such a county, then said county would be one that doesn't have any "federal highway" (in quotes) but does have a federal highway (without quotes).
Opening up a bigger can of worms here, Interstates and US routes aren't technically federal highways, they're state highways using a federal numbering system.
This was pointed out at the beginning of the thread, I think. And yes, they're state highways, but the state couldn't just decide to close them for no reason without consulting any national body.
All of Arizona's fifteen counties are entered by either an Interstate or US route.
I-10 goes through five counties in southern and central Arizona. Four of these counties were served by US 80 before it was decommissioned, and US 60 still enters the other.
I-40 goes through the four counties that border Utah to the north, plus Yavapai County (as did US 66).
Yuma County is traversed by I-8 (and US 95), and Santa Cruz County by I-19 (and the former southernmost extent of US 89).
The remaining three counties, Gila, Graham, and Greenlee, are all traversed by at least US 70.
Quote from: Konza on December 31, 2023, 05:36:37 AM
All of Arizona's fifteen counties are entered by either an Interstate or US route.
I-10 goes through five counties in southern and central Arizona. Four of these counties were served by US 80 before it was decommissioned, and US 60 still enters the other.
I-40 goes through the five counties that border Utah to the north (as did US 66)
Yuma County is traversed by I-8 (and US 95), and Santa Cruz County by I-19 (and the former southernmost extent of US 89).
The remaining three counties, Gila, Graham, and Greenlee, are all traversed by at least US 70.
Based on that, the last three are the only ones with no Interstate.
Are there any with no current US route? At a quick glance, maybe just Pima?
I'm still kind of surprised to find that Kitsap County, Washington, has no US routes. It has two major military installions: Puget Sound Naval Shipyard which had important roles from the Philippine–American War through Vietnam, and Submarine Base Bangor, which had important role supporting submarines in WW II to a Trident base today.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway in NC and VA count as a Federal Highway? It's not maintained by the states, but by the National Park Service.
Does the Blue Ridge Parkway enter NC or VA Counties without US or Interstate routes?
I'm wondering the same about the Natchez Trace Parkway in MS/AL/TN
I'm surprised this thread has survived the Calrog backlash intact.
Quote from: wriddle082 on December 25, 2023, 02:01:33 PM
At the opposite end of this discussion, every county in South Carolina is served by at least two US highways.
I couldn't believe this when I read it. It looks like Abbeville County (US 178) and Union County (US 176) have only one US route each, but this is still surprisingly close to true.
Quote from: webny99 on December 31, 2023, 12:52:16 PM
Are there any with no current US route? At a quick glance, maybe just Pima?
Santa Cruz as well.
US routes in Arizona, by county, with decommissioned or downgraded to state routes in (parentheses):
Apache: 60, 64, (66), 160, 180, 191 (previously 666 south of I-40)
Cochise: (80), 191 (previously 666)
Coconimo: (66), 89, 89A, 180
Gila: 60, 70
Graham: 70, 191 (previously 666)
Greenlee: 70, 191 (previously 666)
La Paz: 60, (70), 95
Maricopa: 60, (70), (80), (89), 93
Mohave: (66), 93, (466)
Navajo: 60, (66), 160, 163, 180
Pima: (80), (89)
Pinal: 60, (70), (80), (89)
Santa Cruz: (89)
Yavapai: (66), (89), (89A), 93
Yuma: (80), 95
Cleburne, Izard and Stone counties in Arkansas do not have any interstate highways or US routes. I'm pretty sure those are the only ones in Arkansas.
Quote from: TBKS1 on January 01, 2024, 03:00:12 PM
Cleburne, Izard and Stone counties in Arkansas do not have any interstate highways or US routes. I'm pretty sure those are the only ones in Arkansas.
Yell and Perry also. US 71 just nicks a corner of Logan County and US 65 likewise in Newton County, or else those would be included too.
What are the states where every county is served by at least one interstate / US Route? How many such states are there?
Quote from: Poiponen13 on January 01, 2024, 05:10:19 PM
What are the states where every county is served by at least one interstate / US Route? How many such states are there?
Looks like it's AZ, CT, DE, NH, NV, and SC. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34345.0) So, six total.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 01, 2024, 05:42:59 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on January 01, 2024, 05:10:19 PM
What are the states where every county is served by at least one interstate / US Route? How many such states are there?
Looks like it's AZ, CT, DE, NH, NV, and SC. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34345.0) So, six total.
Also Wyoming for 7 total.
NC and OK are so close, with just one county each with neither.
Quote from: Road Hog on January 01, 2024, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: TBKS1 on January 01, 2024, 03:00:12 PM
Cleburne, Izard and Stone counties in Arkansas do not have any interstate highways or US routes. I'm pretty sure those are the only ones in Arkansas.
Yell and Perry also. US 71 just nicks a corner of Logan County and US 65 likewise in Newton County, or else those would be included too.
I forgot they didn't either, I guess I thought they had one this whole time.
Quote from: webny99 on January 01, 2024, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 01, 2024, 05:42:59 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on January 01, 2024, 05:10:19 PM
What are the states where every county is served by at least one interstate / US Route? How many such states are there?
Looks like it's AZ, CT, DE, NH, NV, and SC. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34345.0) So, six total.
Also Wyoming for 7 total.
NC and OK are so close, with just one county each with neither.
Ah, apparently I'd missed that. Still, 7/50 is probably a lot lower than most people realize!
Quote from: Road Hog on January 01, 2024, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: TBKS1 on January 01, 2024, 03:00:12 PM
Cleburne, Izard and Stone counties in Arkansas do not have any interstate highways or US routes. I'm pretty sure those are the only ones in Arkansas.
Yell and Perry also. US 71 just nicks a corner of Logan County and US 65 likewise in Newton County, or else those would be included too.
All counties I actually prefer driving in, mainly due to mountainous scenery and lack of traffic. I'm not enough of a hermit to want to actually live in any of them, though. You'd need to want to live the homesteader lifestyle as there's not much in the way of opportunity for gainful employment in any of them.
I was actually born in Logan County, and lived very near to US-71 off AR-23 straddling the Logan/Scott County line for the first 7 years of my life. Timber, cattle, and chickens were how we made a living back then. Not much of one, though, as my Dad had to go run the ValMac/TastyBird/Tyson plant in Waldron so we could pay the mortgage on the chicken houses back in the early 80's when an ARM would absolutely murder your ability to financially survive, which we didn't and they divorced.
Lake County, TN
Texas
Hutchinson
Hansford
Briscoe
Cochran
Delta
Bosque
Kermit
Brazoria
Matagorda
Jim Hogg
Winkler
Loving
Llano
I think that is all
Quote from: DTComposer on December 29, 2023, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: RZF on December 26, 2023, 01:47:40 PM
Without fact checking, counties in California with no Interstates or US routes:
Alpine
Amador
Butte
Calaveras
Lake
Madera
Mariposa
Napa
Plumas
Santa Cruz
Sutter
Toulumne
Trinity
Tulare
Yuba
It's interesting to see that most of these counties are in the sparsely populated Sierra Nevada. Santa Cruz is the only coastal county not served by US 101 or I-5.
I-80 nicks the southeast corner of Napa County for a mile or so.
Yes it's the section halfway between Fairfield and Vallejo where I-80 leaves Solano County the American Canyon Rd/Hiddenbrooke Parkway exit is the only clue where I-80 is in Napa County.
Houston County, TN
Switzerland and Ohio counties in Indiana do not have interstates or U.S. routes, iirc.
In Pennsylvania, I think Carbon County is the only one. It definitely doesn't have one, but I can't think of any others that don't.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 28, 2024, 12:47:52 AM
In Pennsylvania, I think Carbon County is the only one. It definitely doesn't have one, but I can't think of any others that don't.
Isn't US 209 within it? Jim Thorpe is the county seat which US 209 definitely passes through.
Regarding Pennsylvania, Cameron County doesn't have any federal highways.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 28, 2024, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 28, 2024, 12:47:52 AM
In Pennsylvania, I think Carbon County is the only one. It definitely doesn't have one, but I can't think of any others that don't.
Isn't US 209 within it? Jim Thorpe is the county seat which US 209 definitely passes through.
US-209 indeed goes through Carbon County. As does I-80 and I-476.
My bad... I had a brainfart. Cameron, not Carbon County. Carbon County is much more populated, and out east.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on February 02, 2024, 09:36:50 PM
My bad... I had a brainfart. Cameron, not Carbon County. Carbon County is much more populated, and out east.
Yes, Cameron is the only PA county with no US route according to
this map (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34345.0) that I created as a result of this thread.