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Title: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 10, 2022, 01:58:35 PM
Coca Cola given it is adequate for when you are thirsty and need something with a little of caffeine it.  The taste is inoffensive, adequate and reliably familiar.  I like a lot of other drinks more and a lot of other drinks a whole lot less.   
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: JayhawkCO on May 10, 2022, 02:02:30 PM
Colorado in general. Maybe not the best state, but I think everyone rates it pretty highly.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles
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Post by: kphoger on May 10, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+1
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Post by: formulanone on May 10, 2022, 02:11:29 PM
Flanges
Virgules
Pasta
Dog noses
Leaving exactly two spaces between the other seated person when there is exactly three to spare.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: roadman65 on May 10, 2022, 02:16:59 PM
This day and age it's hard to rate something at the right place on the scale.

Alaska is pretty on scale in ratings. 
Kansas is good, especially their off freeway roads.
The Virgin Islands.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kphoger on May 10, 2022, 02:34:44 PM
bottled barbecue sauce
the DMV
Merlot
Greyhound
freshly ground pepper
DDIs
sweet potato fries
the major seventh chord
charcuterie boards
FritzOwl
dark chocolate
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Post by: Takumi on May 10, 2022, 03:00:30 PM
Puppies
Wawa coffee
Four-lane arterials
Ayrton Senna
Belgian ales
Frasier
Albert Pujols
Honda
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 06:06:37 PM
Nilla wafers
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+0
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: thspfc on May 10, 2022, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 10, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+1
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+0
Where are those post quality restrictions at when you need them?
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Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 10, 2022, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 10, 2022, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 10, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+1
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+0
Where are those post quality restrictions at when you need them?

-1
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 10, 2022, 08:41:27 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 10, 2022, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 10, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+1
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+0
Where are those post quality restrictions at when you need them?

Tolbs and snowc took them. 
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kphoger on May 10, 2022, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 06:25:31 PM

Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+0

It's perfectly understandable to not like the Beatles' music.  And I don't understand the mobs of screaming girls at the concerts drowning out the music either.  But there are certain things that just can't be denied.

For one thing, pretty much every album had multiple chart-topping hits.  How many other bands could you say that about?  You might not be as crazy about the songs as everyone else apparently was, but you must admit that the Beatles consistently made music that a lot of people really liked for a good number of years.  Play any track from any Beatles album, and I'd say there's more than a 50% chance it's a well-known song–something I don't think I could claim about any other band.

And then there's the number of other artists, from multiple genres, who have publicly stated that the Beatles were a big influence on their own development as musicians.  Again, you might think their music isn't worth all the hype, but its influence in the world of popular music has been deep and far-reaching.

Especially for those two reasons, I think the Beatles are properly rated.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 10, 2022, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 06:25:31 PM

Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
The Beatles

+0

It's perfectly understandable to not like the Beatles' music.  And I don't understand the mobs of screaming girls at the concerts drowning out the music either.  But there are certain things that just can't be denied.

For one thing, pretty much every album had multiple chart-topping hits.  How many other bands could you say that about?  You might not be as crazy about the songs as everyone else apparently was, but you must admit that the Beatles consistently made music that a lot of people really liked for a good number of years.  Play any track from any Beatles album, and I'd say there's more than a 50% chance it's a well-known song–something I don't think I could claim about any other band.

And then there's the number of other artists, from multiple genres, who have publicly stated that the Beatles were a big influence on their own development as musicians.  Again, you might think their music isn't worth all the hype, but its influence in the world of popular music has been deep and far-reaching.

Especially for those two reasons, I think the Beatles are properly rated.

I think we're in agreement (the intent of "+0": they are properly rated as one of the most important artists in rock and no adjustment is needed).

Early Beatles was really poppy, though you could still see the songwriting talent there. And later Beatles... hard to believe "I am the Walrus", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", and "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" is from the same band as "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". They really bucked the trend as artists who got more interesting as time went on.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 10, 2022, 11:20:35 PM
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Early Beatles was really poppy, though you could still see the songwriting talent there. And later Beatles... hard to believe "I am the Walrus", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", and "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" is from the same band as "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". They really bucked the trend as artists who got more interesting as time went on.

They're one of the rare bands that whether intended or not didn't outlive its original shelf life. Sure, Let It Be wasn't *quite* as good as some of their other later material, but it was still better than most artists' best albums. There wasn't some clunker 70s-80s-90s period after the band ran out of magic that people look back on and go "what the hell was that crap they put out?" It was pretty clear by 1968 that the three main songwriters all had such irreconcilable differences in their music and personalities that they needed to go their own ways.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kphoger on May 11, 2022, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Early Beatles was really poppy, though you could still see the songwriting talent there. And later Beatles... hard to believe "I am the Walrus", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", and "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" is from the same band as "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". They really bucked the trend as artists who got more interesting as time went on.

I mentioned it before, in some other thread, but most people are either an early-Beatles fan or a later-Beatles fan.  It's more rare (but not exceedingly so) to find someone who loves both.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on May 11, 2022, 05:01:33 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2022, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Early Beatles was really poppy, though you could still see the songwriting talent there. And later Beatles... hard to believe "I am the Walrus", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", and "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" is from the same band as "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". They really bucked the trend as artists who got more interesting as time went on.

I mentioned it before, in some other thread, but most people are either an early-Beatles fan or a later-Beatles fan.  It's more rare (but not exceedingly so) to find someone who loves both.

Put me on the both list.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: dlsterner on May 11, 2022, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2022, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Early Beatles was really poppy, though you could still see the songwriting talent there. And later Beatles... hard to believe "I am the Walrus", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", and "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" is from the same band as "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". They really bucked the trend as artists who got more interesting as time went on.

I mentioned it before, in some other thread, but most people are either an early-Beatles fan or a later-Beatles fan.  It's more rare (but not exceedingly so) to find someone who loves both.

Personally, I enjoy both.  Along with both early Rolling Stones and later Rolling Stones.  Early vs later, nor Beatles vs Rolling Stones, need to be mutually exclusive, at least as far as my musical tastes go.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 11, 2022, 06:27:00 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time before this thread cropped up.

My first pick for now: Illinois (most people seem to hate it, which I think is appropriate)
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: hbelkins on May 11, 2022, 06:34:57 PM
Illinois' flatness.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 20, 2022, 09:44:33 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 20, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: webny99 on May 20, 2022, 01:08:50 AM

Quote from: Scott5114 on May 19, 2022, 11:43:56 PM
Arby's curly fries.

Actually, curly fries in general.

You think they're overrated, I think they're underrated.

Maybe they're properly rated.

Agreed.  Curly fries are awesome, and that's just how they're generally rated.

Count me in the "properly rated"  camp on curly fries.  They taste exotic when I haven't had them in awhile and run of the mill when I have copious access to places to serve them. 
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Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2022, 09:44:59 AM
curly fries
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: formulanone on May 20, 2022, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: Takumi on May 10, 2022, 03:00:30 PM
Ayrton Senna

Fangio agrees.

(https://www.ayrton-senna.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/SennaFangio.jpg)
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Post by: XamotCGC on May 21, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
Cats
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kphoger on May 23, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 21, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
Cats

The musical, or the animal?
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2022, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 23, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 21, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
Cats

The musical, or the animal?

The musical and movie are underrated "so bad it's good"  quality material. 
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on May 23, 2022, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2022, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 23, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 21, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
Cats

The musical, or the animal?

The musical and movie are underrated "so bad it's good"  quality material.

I have been tempted to watch the recent movie for the "so bad it's good"  angle, which is something I totally love.  I just don't think I have the stomach to watch all the awkwardness. 
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2022, 03:04:51 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 23, 2022, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2022, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 23, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 21, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
Cats

The musical, or the animal?

The musical and movie are underrated "so bad it's good"  quality material.

I have been tempted to watch the recent movie for the "so bad it's good"  angle, which is something I totally love.  I just don't think I have the stomach to watch all the awkwardness.

Put it this way, it was noteworthy enough to be referenced in the Rescue Rangers movie (which was way better than it had any business being) in a background scene at the so-called "Uncanny Valley."
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: abefroman329 on May 23, 2022, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2022, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 23, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 21, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
Cats

The musical, or the animal?

The musical and movie are underrated "so bad it's good"  quality material.
The stage production is godawful, and it's hard to believe that it jumpstarted the revival of live theater on Broadway.
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Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2022, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 23, 2022, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2022, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 23, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 21, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
Cats

The musical, or the animal?

The musical and movie are underrated "so bad it's good"  quality material.
The stage production is godawful, and it's hard to believe that it jumpstarted the revival of live theater on Broadway.

The play was one of the first things I went to where I really recall thinking "this isn't good."   My parents were so absorbed though which made it all the more surreal.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Henry on May 23, 2022, 03:45:50 PM
Hawaii
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Nah, overrated.  People in places like Albany, NY and Duluth, MN treat it like Valhalla.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: skluth on May 27, 2022, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Nah, overrated.  People in places like Albany, NY and Duluth, MN treat it like Valhalla.

And those cities with real Italian restaurants despise it.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kphoger on May 27, 2022, 05:07:29 PM
Yep.  If that's the kind of food you're looking for, then that's exactly what you'll get.  If that's not the kind of food you're looking for, then you're justified in avoiding it.  It is properly rated, both for good and for bad.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Nah, overrated.  People in places like Albany, NY and Duluth, MN treat it like Valhalla.

And those cities with real Italian restaurants despise it.
The sad thing is Albany does.
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Post by: XamotCGC on May 27, 2022, 06:44:51 PM
aa roads
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: vdeane on May 27, 2022, 08:11:34 PM
Food tastes are much more complicated than "this is better" and "this is worse".  Sometimes one craves a specific food, even if there is something considered better.  I like diner hamburgers, but I also like McDonald's.  The two aren't mutually exclusive.  They each offer a different experience.  Similarly, one can enjoy authentic Italian American food and still like Olive Garden.  They're two different experiences which aren't directly comparable, not merely a spectrum of "better" to "worse".
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: skluth on May 27, 2022, 08:21:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Nah, overrated.  People in places like Albany, NY and Duluth, MN treat it like Valhalla.

And those cities with real Italian restaurants despise it.
The sad thing is Albany does.

That is sad. However, the following popular chain restaurants, best described using a word like adequate or popular, are all properly rated.

Olive Garden
Applebee's
Red Lobster
Outback Steakhouse
PF Chang's
California Pizza Kitchen
Texas Roadhouse
Buffalo Wild Wings
Cracker Barrel
Cheesecake Factory

This is by no means a complete list. If it can be found as an outbuilding around malls in three different states, it probably belongs on this list. They're all mediocre generic food with a gimmick theme. Nobody's going to leave without finding something they can tolerably eat or even enjoy (maybe not vegans or celiac sufferers), even if they would normally never eat there.

They're all adequate. People who love them usually because they lack decent options or maybe were never introduced what excellent Italian, Asian, or seafood is. People who loath them are just being snobbish but it's ok to say you'd never eat there. I don't seek them out but I never objected to eating at one if someone wanted to eat there (though I might offer a better alternative). They are what they are. No more. No less.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 08:21:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Nah, overrated.  People in places like Albany, NY and Duluth, MN treat it like Valhalla.

And those cities with real Italian restaurants despise it.
The sad thing is Albany does.

That is sad. However, the following popular chain restaurants, best described using a word like adequate or popular, are all properly rated.

Olive Garden
Applebee's
Red Lobster
Outback Steakhouse
PF Chang's
California Pizza Kitchen
Texas Roadhouse
Buffalo Wild Wings
Cracker Barrel
Cheesecake Factory

This is by no means a complete list. If it can be found as an outbuilding around malls in three different states, it probably belongs on this list. They're all mediocre generic food with a gimmick theme. Nobody's going to leave without finding something they can tolerably eat or even enjoy (maybe not vegans or celiac sufferers), even if they would normally never eat there.

They're all adequate. People who love them usually because they lack decent options or maybe were never introduced what excellent Italian, Asian, or seafood is. People who loath them are just being snobbish but it's ok to say you'd never eat there. I don't seek them out but I never objected to eating at one if someone wanted to eat there (though I might offer a better alternative). They are what they are. No more. No less.
No, people think Olive Garden is the shiznit.  You and I think otherwise, but a whole lot of people overrate it.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: skluth on May 28, 2022, 12:19:53 AM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 08:21:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Nah, overrated.  People in places like Albany, NY and Duluth, MN treat it like Valhalla.

And those cities with real Italian restaurants despise it.
The sad thing is Albany does.

That is sad. However, the following popular chain restaurants, best described using a word like adequate or popular, are all properly rated.

Olive Garden
Applebee's
Red Lobster
Outback Steakhouse
PF Chang's
California Pizza Kitchen
Texas Roadhouse
Buffalo Wild Wings
Cracker Barrel
Cheesecake Factory

This is by no means a complete list. If it can be found as an outbuilding around malls in three different states, it probably belongs on this list. They're all mediocre generic food with a gimmick theme. Nobody's going to leave without finding something they can tolerably eat or even enjoy (maybe not vegans or celiac sufferers), even if they would normally never eat there.

They're all adequate. People who love them usually because they lack decent options or maybe were never introduced what excellent Italian, Asian, or seafood is. People who loath them are just being snobbish but it's ok to say you'd never eat there. I don't seek them out but I never objected to eating at one if someone wanted to eat there (though I might offer a better alternative). They are what they are. No more. No less.
No, people think Olive Garden is the shiznit.  You and I think otherwise, but a whole lot of people overrate it.

And when I lived in St Louis, most of my friends loathed Olive Garden. St Louis has a number of excellent Italian restaurants, including Tony's which back in the day was the only Michelin 3-star Italian restaurant in the US. The Hill, the local Italian neighborhood, had plenty of post-WWII money thanks to investments by local baseball legends Yogi Berra and Joe Garagiola (and a few peripheral mob characters, but we won't go there). My favorite was Cunetto's but Zia's and Rigazzi's were also pretty good when I lived there. If you don't like the parking hassles of the Hill or Downtown, Pietro's on Watson was good and where I often went when I moved to the suburbs. If you haven't had it, I recommend the toasted ravioli appetizer whichever restaurant you're in. It's a competitive thing for restaurants in the area.

On average - an important distinction - it's properly rated.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 28, 2022, 04:33:44 AM


Quote from: skluth on May 28, 2022, 12:19:53 AM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 08:21:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 27, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Olive Garden.
Wrong.  Overrated.
Yeah, it's properly rated.  You know exactly what you're going to get.
Nah, overrated.  People in places like Albany, NY and Duluth, MN treat it like Valhalla.

And those cities with real Italian restaurants despise it.
The sad thing is Albany does.

That is sad. However, the following popular chain restaurants, best described using a word like adequate or popular, are all properly rated.

Olive Garden
Applebee's
Red Lobster
Outback Steakhouse
PF Chang's
California Pizza Kitchen
Texas Roadhouse
Buffalo Wild Wings
Cracker Barrel
Cheesecake Factory

This is by no means a complete list. If it can be found as an outbuilding around malls in three different states, it probably belongs on this list. They're all mediocre generic food with a gimmick theme. Nobody's going to leave without finding something they can tolerably eat or even enjoy (maybe not vegans or celiac sufferers), even if they would normally never eat there.

They're all adequate. People who love them usually because they lack decent options or maybe were never introduced what excellent Italian, Asian, or seafood is. People who loath them are just being snobbish but it's ok to say you'd never eat there. I don't seek them out but I never objected to eating at one if someone wanted to eat there (though I might offer a better alternative). They are what they are. No more. No less.
No, people think Olive Garden is the shiznit.  You and I think otherwise, but a whole lot of people overrate it.

And when I lived in St Louis, most of my friends loathed Olive Garden. St Louis has a number of excellent Italian restaurants, including Tony's which back in the day was the only Michelin 3-star Italian restaurant in the US. The Hill, the local Italian neighborhood, had plenty of post-WWII money thanks to investments by local baseball legends Yogi Berra and Joe Garagiola (and a few peripheral mob characters, but we won't go there). My favorite was Cunetto's but Zia's and Rigazzi's were also pretty good when I lived there. If you don't like the parking hassles of the Hill or Downtown, Pietro's on Watson was good and where I often went when I moved to the suburbs. If you haven't had it, I recommend the toasted ravioli appetizer whichever restaurant you're in. It's a competitive thing for restaurants in the area.

On average - an important distinction - it's properly rated.

Given the entire population of the U.S., no.  It is overrated.

Michelin currently shows no starred restaurants in Saint Louis.  Tony's is just overpriced now?
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Post by: Takumi on May 28, 2022, 10:29:20 AM
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Tony's is just overpriced now?

Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: skluth on May 28, 2022, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: Takumi on May 28, 2022, 10:29:20 AM
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Tony's is just overpriced now?

Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

The old restaurant closed. It's now in Clayton thanks to the current generation of owners. It went downhill starting in the 90's.
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Post by: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:06:55 PM
Getting home from a trip and sleeping in your own bed is generally praised and properly rated. With that said, another part of returning home is very much underrated (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31466.msg2741873#msg2741873).
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Post by: hbelkins on May 28, 2022, 09:01:49 PM
Disagree with the presence of Cracker Barrel and Texas Roadhouse on the above list. Applebee's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, and Outback are definitely overrated. But Cracker Barrel is excellent for homestyle country cooking, and I've found Texas Roadhouse to have decent food the few times I've eaten there.

I rank Chili's and O'Charley's above Applebee's in terms of fast-casual places.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Scott5114 on May 28, 2022, 10:31:34 PM
Homestyle country cooking is overrated.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: XamotCGC on May 28, 2022, 11:17:15 PM
Fazoli's
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Takumi on May 28, 2022, 11:23:49 PM
Wallethub
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 28, 2022, 11:39:33 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 28, 2022, 10:31:34 PM
Homestyle country cooking is overrated.
Then what is it doing in this thread?
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Scott5114 on May 29, 2022, 03:14:06 AM
Quote from: Rothman on May 28, 2022, 11:39:33 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 28, 2022, 10:31:34 PM
Homestyle country cooking is overrated.
Then what is it doing in this thread?

Ask HB.

Quote from: hbelkins on May 28, 2022, 09:01:49 PM
Cracker Barrel is excellent for homestyle country cooking
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Post by: epzik8 on May 29, 2022, 07:03:22 AM
Quote from: kurumi on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Early Beatles was really poppy, though you could still see the songwriting talent there. And later Beatles... hard to believe "I am the Walrus", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", and "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" is from the same band as "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". They really bucked the trend as artists who got more interesting as time went on.

I thought this went without saying
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Post by: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 12:30:49 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 27, 2022, 08:11:34 PM
Food tastes are much more complicated than "this is better" and "this is worse".  Sometimes one craves a specific food, even if there is something considered better.  I like diner hamburgers, but I also like McDonald's.  The two aren't mutually exclusive.  They each offer a different experience.  Similarly, one can enjoy authentic Italian American food and still like Olive Garden.  They're two different experiences which aren't directly comparable, not merely a spectrum of "better" to "worse".

This.

Olive Garden is a reliably good place to get Italian-American food.  Is its food authentically Italian?  No, most of it isn't, but that isn't what I like Olive Garden for.  Are there local places that serve better Italian-American food?  Certainly, but nobody here is claiming Olive Garden is the best–just that it's reliably good.  The atmosphere is comfortable without being super-fancy, and atmosphere is part of the restaurant experience.  Their salad and breadsticks are good, which also contributes to people's opinion.

There are a couple of local Italian restaurants that my wife and I think are better than Olive Garden, but that doesn't keep us from appreciating Olive Garden for what it is.

Quote from: Rothman on May 28, 2022, 04:33:44 AM

Quote from: skluth on May 28, 2022, 12:19:53 AM
St Louis has a number of excellent Italian restaurants, including Tony's which back in the day was the only Michelin 3-star Italian restaurant in the US.

Michelin currently shows no starred restaurants in Saint Louis.  Tony's is just overpriced now?

As far as I know, it is impossible for Tony's to have received a Michelin 3-star rating.  This is because Michelin does not review restaurants in Saint Louis.  Furthermore, the restaurant's website mentions two specific awards, and Michelin is not one of them.  If |skluth| is claiming that Michelin ever reviewed Tony's at all–let alone giving them a 3-star rating–then let the burden of proof be on him.

For what it's worth, Tony's currently has a 4-diamond designation from AAA, along with three other Saint Louis restaurants.  (There are no AAA 5-diamond restaurants in Saint Louis.)
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: abefroman329 on May 31, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 28, 2022, 10:31:34 PMHomestyle country cooking is overrated.
Disagree, but it's not like I live anywhere near a restaurant that serves it.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on May 31, 2022, 10:37:10 PM
Olive Garden is not reliably good.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: abefroman329 on June 03, 2022, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 31, 2022, 10:37:10 PMOlive Garden is not reliably good.
It tastes about the same to me every time I eat there.  The only variable is whether the breadsticks are overcooked.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: Rothman on June 03, 2022, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on June 03, 2022, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 31, 2022, 10:37:10 PMOlive Garden is not reliably good.
It tastes about the same to me every time I eat there.  The only variable is whether the breadsticks are overcooked.
That would be reliably ungood.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: XamotCGC on June 03, 2022, 02:06:44 PM
White Castle
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: kphoger on June 03, 2022, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on June 03, 2022, 02:06:44 PM
White Castle

That's a tricky one, when some people absolutely love it and some people absolutely hate it.
Title: Re: __________ is/are properly rated
Post by: formulanone on June 03, 2022, 04:59:19 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 03, 2022, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on June 03, 2022, 02:06:44 PM
White Castle

That's a tricky one, when some people absolutely love it and some people absolutely hate it.

I missed the 2022-23 Edition of the Proper Ratings Book which states the exact position of White Castle.