Breezewood

[Avalanchez71]

You are correct the area is devoid of US 30 signs.

[vdeane]

Wanna show me those signs? 

The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

[AMLNet49]

Wanna show me those signs? 

The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

Congrats you found one... with a 70 shield as well proving your point wrong, 70 is signed as the main route in that area. Heck US 30 is signed as a left exit from a diagrammic on one of the dirextions

[Rothman]

Wanna show me those signs? 

The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

Congrats you found one... with a 70 shield as well proving your point wrong, 70 is signed as the main route in that area. Heck US 30 is signed as a left exit from a diagrammic on one of the dirextions

Vdeane was making a point other than just posting the GoogleMaps link?  Be careful who you respond to.

[jeffandnicole]

Wanna show me those signs? 

The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right. 

[AMLNet49]

Wanna show me those signs? 

The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

Congrats you found one... with a 70 shield as well proving your point wrong, 70 is signed as the main route in that area. Heck US 30 is signed as a left exit from a diagrammic on one of the dirextions

Vdeane was making a point other than just posting the GoogleMaps link?  Be careful who you respond to.

You're right didn't see who the OP was my bad.

[Beltway]

Much less than Morgantown.  That was in effect 1.3 mile of new freeway branching from preexisting I-176 and a new trumpet interchange with the turnpike and a new modified diamond interchange with PA-10.
The terrain around where the turnpike access highway crosses I-70 is on gently rolling terrain.  Satellite view augmented with eyeball.    :-)

Can your eyeball tell us what's underground, which may require a much deeper and more expensive excavation?

Such as?  Wetlands and acid rock are the only possibilities.  There are no wetlands there, and viewing other highway cuts near there reveals no acid rock treatments.  The soil in that area is the common mix of rocks, clay and sand, which generally makes an excellent material for highway road beds.  Nevertheless a geological survey would be part of the preliminary engineering for any highway project.

What if there is a void from an old coal mine that needs to be filled?

That is something that the geological survey would determine.

Exactly.  Which is why simply looking at the terrain doesn't cut it.

It is rather unlikely as it is rather rare that a highway excavation impinges on an old coal mine. 

If it did it could be filled in with excavation material, or spanned over with mechanically stabilized earth (MSE).  Routine highway construction methods.

[US 89]

Wanna show me those signs? 

The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.

Also, look what’s posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I’d say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

[Beltway]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

[US 89]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what’s posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I’d say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

By that logic, I-180 in Cheyenne isn’t an Interstate.

[Flint1979]

That is I-70 regardless of it being on a surface street or not it is part of the route of I-70.

[Rothman]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have an old Rand McNally atlas that actually shows interstate shields on two-lane roads.  The functional class does not determine the interstate route; the shield does.

[_Simon]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have to agree with the others on this one unless you can show me something from penndot indicating otherwise (like the gap in I-676 where us-30 really is just us-30, but to Pennsylvania that's it's terminus, that's not a gap like such a gap in i-70 would be).

There are a few places like I-78 in NJ and NYC where the interstate actually is in surface streets and is maintained, funded, and signed as such.

But yeah I feel that the legitimization of a route number is 60/40 signage/public map data and in this case both agree that it is indeed i-70.  I would gather PAs internal documentation and topo maps show that too.


SM-G955U

[ekt8750]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have to agree with the others on this one unless you can show me something from penndot indicating otherwise (like the gap in I-676 where us-30 really is just us-30, but to Pennsylvania that's it's terminus, that's not a gap like such a gap in i-70 would be).

There are a few places like I-78 in NJ and NYC where the interstate actually is in surface streets and is maintained, funded, and signed as such.

But yeah I feel that the legitimization of a route number is 60/40 signage/public map data and in this case both agree that it is indeed i-70.  I would gather PAs internal documentation and topo maps show that too.


SM-G955U

Correct. Is that stretch of road SR 70 or SR 30? If PennDOT recognizes it as SR 30 and funds/maintains it as such then your question is answered as to what route it really is. As far as concurrencies with their reference numbers go, they recognize the highest standard of route as the number assigned to the concurrency. In this case if they did recognize I-70 through Breezewood, that stretch of road would be SR 70. According to PennDOT's SLD, that stretch of road is SR 30 straight through with SR 70 ending at Breezewood.

[US 89]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what’s posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I’d say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have to agree with the others on this one unless you can show me something from penndot indicating otherwise (like the gap in I-676 where us-30 really is just us-30, but to Pennsylvania that's it's terminus, that's not a gap like such a gap in i-70 would be).

There are a few places like I-78 in NJ and NYC where the interstate actually is in surface streets and is maintained, funded, and signed as such.

But yeah I feel that the legitimization of a route number is 60/40 signage/public map data and in this case both agree that it is indeed i-70.  I would gather PAs internal documentation and topo maps show that too.


SM-G955U

Correct. Is that stretch of road SR 70 or SR 30? If PennDOT recognizes it as SR 30 and funds/maintains it as such then your question is answered as to what route it really is. As far as concurrencies with their reference numbers go, they recognize the highest standard of route as the number assigned to the concurrency. In this case if they did recognize I-70 through Breezewood, that stretch of road would be SR 70. According to PennDOT's SLD, that stretch of road is SR 30 straight through with SR 70 ending at Breezewood.

Except concurrencies are probably only allowed to have one reference number. In Utah, the I-15/80 concurrency is only SR 15, but no one disputes that I-80 also runs on that route.



Say you see this sign:

This is posted looking east at the south end of this concurrency.

If you turn left, and the reassurance shield posted only has an SR-68 shield, does that mean that it's not also SR-48?

[_Simon]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have to agree with the others on this one unless you can show me something from penndot indicating otherwise (like the gap in I-676 where us-30 really is just us-30, but to Pennsylvania that's it's terminus, that's not a gap like such a gap in i-70 would be).

There are a few places like I-78 in NJ and NYC where the interstate actually is in surface streets and is maintained, funded, and signed as such.

But yeah I feel that the legitimization of a route number is 60/40 signage/public map data and in this case both agree that it is indeed i-70.  I would gather PAs internal documentation and topo maps show that too.


SM-G955U

Correct. Is that stretch of road SR 70 or SR 30? If PennDOT recognizes it as SR 30 and funds/maintains it as such then your question is answered as to what route it really is. As far as concurrencies with their reference numbers go, they recognize the highest standard of route as the number assigned to the concurrency. In this case if they did recognize I-70 through Breezewood, that stretch of road would be SR 70. According to PennDOT's SLD, that stretch of road is SR 30 straight through with SR 70 ending at Breezewood.

Except concurrencies are probably only allowed to have one reference number. In Utah, the I-15/80 concurrency is only SR 15, but no one disputes that I-80 also runs on that route.

That's a state level concept and has nothing to do with the assignment of interstate status.  Being able to have only one reference number (common in most states) would also impact the I-76/i-70 concurrency itself and any other place a legitimize concurrency exists under your supposition.

There isn't a gap in us-30 nor i-70 and reference route numbers are just that .. reference numbers used by the state.


SM-G955U

[_Simon]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have to agree with the others on this one unless you can show me something from penndot indicating otherwise (like the gap in I-676 where us-30 really is just us-30, but to Pennsylvania that's it's terminus, that's not a gap like such a gap in i-70 would be).

There are a few places like I-78 in NJ and NYC where the interstate actually is in surface streets and is maintained, funded, and signed as such.

But yeah I feel that the legitimization of a route number is 60/40 signage/public map data and in this case both agree that it is indeed i-70.  I would gather PAs internal documentation and topo maps show that too.


SM-G955U

Correct. Is that stretch of road SR 70 or SR 30? If PennDOT recognizes it as SR 30 and funds/maintains it as such then your question is answered as to what route it really is. As far as concurrencies with their reference numbers go, they recognize the highest standard of route as the number assigned to the concurrency. In this case if they did recognize I-70 through Breezewood, that stretch of road would be SR 70. According to PennDOT's SLD, that stretch of road is SR 30 straight through with SR 70 ending at Breezewood.

Except concurrencies are probably only allowed to have one reference number. In Utah, the I-15/80 concurrency is only SR 15, but no one disputes that I-80 also runs on that route.

That's a state level concept and has nothing to do with the assignment of interstate status.  Being able to have only one reference number (common in most states) would also impact the I-76/i-70 concurrency itself and any other place a legitimize concurrency exists under your supposition.

There isn't a gap in us-30 nor i-70 and reference route numbers are just that .. reference numbers used by the state.


SM-G955U

People on this board like to spend a lot of time taking about who maintains or funds specific parts of a route.  That's great trivia for you to tell to your spouse on your next road trip, but it really doesn't factor into whether or not a road has US or interstate route status.

US routes were originally create entirely from locally-jurisdicted (I.e. Not federally funded) roads and many places that are now US routes were once state routes.  Many states (nj and ny included) had major renumberings in the 40s and 50s because the US numbers were simply a national overlay of existing roads and without a cleanup, almost every US route also had a state route number too,  but in those renumberings, the state route numbers lost.  Even state level rules (In 1959 NJ removed all concurrencies and prefixed/suffixed ties) have typically not effected US routes (202+206, 9W respectively).

It doesn't matter if PennDot considers the road to be SR0030 .. That's not the same thing as the public US-30 designation nor the public I-70 designation.  That's why it's only referenced on a 12" white sign that no one notices except transportation workers and autists.   When PennDot makes political and typographical maps the routes are identified by Shields and public route numbers, not reference routes.

SM-G955U

[_Simon]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have to agree with the others on this one unless you can show me something from penndot indicating otherwise (like the gap in I-676 where us-30 really is just us-30, but to Pennsylvania that's it's terminus, that's not a gap like such a gap in i-70 would be).

There are a few places like I-78 in NJ and NYC where the interstate actually is in surface streets and is maintained, funded, and signed as such.

But yeah I feel that the legitimization of a route number is 60/40 signage/public map data and in this case both agree that it is indeed i-70.  I would gather PAs internal documentation and topo maps show that too.


SM-G955U

Correct. Is that stretch of road SR 70 or SR 30? If PennDOT recognizes it as SR 30 and funds/maintains it as such then your question is answered as to what route it really is. As far as concurrencies with their reference numbers go, they recognize the highest standard of route as the number assigned to the concurrency. In this case if they did recognize I-70 through Breezewood, that stretch of road would be SR 70. According to PennDOT's SLD, that stretch of road is SR 30 straight through with SR 70 ending at Breezewood.

Except concurrencies are probably only allowed to have one reference number. In Utah, the I-15/80 concurrency is only SR 15, but no one disputes that I-80 also runs on that route.



Say you see this sign:

This is posted looking east at the south end of this concurrency.

If you turn left, and the reassurance shield posted only has an SR-68 shield, does that mean that it's not also SR-48?

The answer is: you can't tell from the information presented.

Additionally:  this is completely irrelevant to breezewood because no federally assigned numbers or numbers assigned by different levels of the government hierarchy are used here. 

This may just be some unique rule UT has.  My personal answer would be "what do signage, online maps, and the state's maps all say?". 

SM-G955U

[jwolfer]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have to agree with the others on this one unless you can show me something from penndot indicating otherwise (like the gap in I-676 where us-30 really is just us-30, but to Pennsylvania that's it's terminus, that's not a gap like such a gap in i-70 would be).

There are a few places like I-78 in NJ and NYC where the interstate actually is in surface streets and is maintained, funded, and signed as such.

But yeah I feel that the legitimization of a route number is 60/40 signage/public map data and in this case both agree that it is indeed i-70.  I would gather PAs internal documentation and topo maps show that too.


SM-G955U

Correct. Is that stretch of road SR 70 or SR 30? If PennDOT recognizes it as SR 30 and funds/maintains it as such then your question is answered as to what route it really is. As far as concurrencies with their reference numbers go, they recognize the highest standard of route as the number assigned to the concurrency. In this case if they did recognize I-70 through Breezewood, that stretch of road would be SR 70. According to PennDOT's SLD, that stretch of road is SR 30 straight through with SR 70 ending at Breezewood.

Except concurrencies are probably only allowed to have one reference number. In Utah, the I-15/80 concurrency is only SR 15, but no one disputes that I-80 also runs on that route.

That's a state level concept and has nothing to do with the assignment of interstate status.  Being able to have only one reference number (common in most states) would also impact the I-76/i-70 concurrency itself and any other place a legitimize concurrency exists under your supposition.

There isn't a gap in us-30 nor i-70 and reference route numbers are just that .. reference numbers used by the state.


SM-G955U

In Florida the official number for the interstate and US route is the SR number.. but the secret SR is rarely signed.. with the exception of "your tax dollars at work" tupe signs for construction projects.. it's also written on traffic tickets.. I got a ticket on US301 in Marion County.. it said I was on SR200..  i95 is SR9 for most of it's route in the state etc

Z981

[Beltway]

It doesn't matter if PennDot considers the road to be SR0030 .. That's not the same thing as the public US-30 designation nor the public I-70 designation.  That's why it's only referenced on a 12" white sign that no one notices except transportation workers and autists.   When PennDot makes political and typographical maps the routes are identified by Shields and public route numbers, not reference routes.

Indeed, I won't consider that segment of US-30 to be I-70, either.

Someone could post a New Jersey Turnpike trailblazer sign on the Schuylkill Expressway, but that won't make it the New Jersey Turnpike.

[CanesFan27]

It's not as if there already hasn't been 40+ years of public comment on the Breezewood situation; it certainly isn't hidden from public view!   It seems that in some quarters (particularly PTC and their fellow agencies) the status quo has been internalized (and likely, in some minds, amortized!); it's old news at this point.  If an outcry from the driving public would turn the tables in this situation, it would likely have happened by now.  It's possible that the solution would be to back up the Brinks' truck to Breezewood, offload part of its contents, then drive to Harrisburg and unload the rest!  Then one can argue about the format of the solution.

The political landscape is changing as the age of people in power shift.  All you need is a popular infotainment company like Vox or Wendover Productions to do one of their awesome "anomoly" videos on this and a whole new generation of social justice soldiers will spray PTC with their angst.  Let's not be defeatist here,  it's completely within our power as a message board to get the right people's attention on this issue by leveraging the power of the masses,  even if no one involved lives near Breezewood.

SM-G955U

There have been articles about Breezewood since the 80s.  CPZ pointed to a WSJ article in 1999. Business Week did a story on it in 1991.  An infotainment piece on Breezewood won't move the needle.

A PA state senator tried in the late 80s to force the state to study and build and interchange. It was blocked by the President Pro Tem who was from Bedford County.  Bedford County Commissioners and state legislators will do all they can do block any attempt to build a bypass interchange.  Breezewood is a large source of county income which is also why they are very much trying to revive the Abandoned Pike idea.

The Federal Highway Administration threatening to withold funding to Pennsylvania without steps moving forward to remedy Breezewood is about the only thing that will do it.

[_Simon]

Bedford County Commissioners and state legislators

Which ones?  I'll call them.  I'm not letting this go. 

And if you think I'm just blowing smoke, ask any county or state employee (a few are on this board still I think) that's had the unfortunate situation of being between me and getting signage and other works fixed;  My willpower extends infinitely in the direction of changing things people say can't be changed.



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[sparker]

Wanna show me those signs? 
The GSV shows 70/30 to be largely devoid of any sort of route signage.  Coming off of the PA Turnpike, this BGS only uses I-70. https://goo.gl/maps/w9yZNigoy5p . No US 30 found anywhere in the multiroute area of I-70 & US 30.

https://goo.gl/maps/7sCERgW6eNH2

I had seen that one.  However, from an I-70 point of view, that sign isn't on I-70...it's on US 30 as I-70 traffic enters from the right.

It still says West 70, indicating that road is signed as I-70.
Also, look what's posted in the gore looking north. https://goo.gl/maps/U7J43QXmJk22
That sign assembly says, among other things, West 70 TO Pennsylvania Turnpike. I'd say that because it says WEST 70 rather than TO 70, it is signed as I-70.

Just because US-30 has a few I-70 signs on it, doesn't make it I-70.  It is a nonlimited-access arterial, not an Interstate highway.

I have an old Rand McNally atlas that actually shows interstate shields on two-lane roads.  The functional class does not determine the interstate route; the shield does.

In the early '60's the McNally atlases showed plenty of Interstate shields on existing 2-lane roads simply to reference the corridor the Interstate would eventually occupy; new-terrain routings were shown as dotted triple lines (with appropriate shields shown there as well).  AFAIK, few if any of these existing routes displayed any indication in the field about their status as future Interstate corridors until at least property acquisition commenced.   Back then the atlas idiom was Gousha for details (they only showed Interstate shields on completed segments), McNally for nascent Interstate references. 

[Beltway]

There have been articles about Breezewood since the 80s.  CPZ pointed to a WSJ article in 1999. Business Week did a story on it in 1991.  An infotainment piece on Breezewood won't move the needle.
A PA state senator tried in the late 80s to force the state to study and build and interchange. It was blocked by the President Pro Tem who was from Bedford County.  Bedford County Commissioners and state legislators will do all they can do block any attempt to build a bypass interchange.  Breezewood is a large source of county income which is also why they are very much trying to revive the Abandoned Pike idea.

The Federal Highway Administration threatening to withold funding to Pennsylvania without steps moving forward to remedy Breezewood is about the only thing that will do it.

Great idea, but does FHWA have the power to do that over this particular Breezewood issue?  I don't think so.

[jeffandnicole]

Bedford County Commissioners and state legislators

Which ones?  I'll call them.  I'm not letting this go. 

And if you think I'm just blowing smoke, ask any county or state employee (a few are on this board still I think) that's had the unfortunate situation of being between me and getting signage and other works fixed;  My willpower extends infinitely in the direction of changing things people say can't be changed.



SM-G955U

I'm a state employee.  I guess I haven't been between you and whatever issue you're referring to.