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Title: Maryland
Post by: Alps on May 22, 2011, 12:10:09 AM
Not only that, but it seems fairly well used. Wouldn't you rather use a free-flow loop than a left turn with conflict?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on May 22, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
Might also be because using that left-hand turn avoids weaving traffic concerns with the loop ramp from I-70 east to US 29 north? Not that I imagine it gets a huge amount of traffic, but its just a thought...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on May 24, 2011, 02:27:02 PM
The first time I saw that, I had assumed maybe there was a construction project or something that necessitated it.
Seeing it again the next time, I realized it wasn't temporary.  I'm guessing it's not a "big deal" cause traffic volumes on the short piece of road north of I-70 isn't very huge.

That being said, every time I've come back from the beach (using 29-to-70) I still just use the loop ramp.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 24, 2011, 09:00:05 PM
There's also one on US 460 EB for the I-81 NB C/D Road in Christiansburg and I do believe that is for weaving reasons and to somewhat lessen congestion when Virginia Tech has home games.  I plan on using that from now on since one time I almost got in a wreck when I used the loop ramp there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: treichard on May 25, 2011, 12:14:40 AM
With both options on US 29 NB, you can access I-70 WB from either lane without needing to change lanes.  When you don't  have to wait for oncoming traffic for the left turn option, it's faster due to the lesser length of the ramp.

The same is true on Shawan Road WB to get to I-83 SB a few interchanges north of the Baltimore Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: OracleUsr on May 25, 2011, 01:18:02 AM
What beach would you use US 29 for if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on May 25, 2011, 01:23:57 AM
treichard, that may have been true in the past, but there's now a light where the left turn crosses southbound US 29.

OracleUsr, US 29 to MD 100 or MD 32 is a nice bypass of Baltimore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on May 25, 2011, 02:23:05 PM
Exactly..
Over the years it's gotten easier to get from Western PA to the Delmarva beaches.  I remember real early on (Pre I-97) using the Balt. Beltway and MD-2 to get to US-50/Bay Bridge, with all the traffic lights (Though I'm sure it's a lot worse in Glen Burnie these days.)  We also tried the DC Beltway a couple of years to compare.

US-29 to MD-100 or 32 (obviously MD-32 was used before MD-100 was finished) works out pretty well...  But it would be even nicer if Maryland would freeway MD-32 the rest of the way to I-70.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PAHighways on May 25, 2011, 06:37:11 PM
MD 32 moves pretty well for a two-laners between MD 108 and I-70, more so now that SHA has eliminated the signals at Burntwoods and Pfefferkorn Roads.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 13, 2011, 02:02:27 PM
Baltimore Sun: Part of bridge needs replacing after beltway (I-695) crash (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-beltway-bridge-20111213,0,4431252.story)

QuoteTwo beams on the southbound Interstate 95 bridge spanning the Baltimore Beltway will need to be replaced following Monday afternoon's crash involving an oversized piece of construction equipment.

QuoteEngineers conducted structural tests overnight and determined that two of three beams over the shoulder of the interstate were damaged by the arm of an excavator being hauled from a nearby construction site, said David Buck, spokesman for the State Highway Administration.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 13, 2011, 02:06:06 PM
Also from the Baltimore Sun: Rocks from rail overpass damage 15 cars on beltway (I-695) in Lansdowne (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-train-debris-20111212,0,7237760.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 13, 2011, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: PAHighways on May 25, 2011, 06:37:11 PM
MD 32 moves pretty well for a two-laners between MD 108 and I-70, more so now that SHA has eliminated the signals at Burntwoods and Pfefferkorn Roads.

I agree.  Those signals had been the scene of some spectacularly bad crashes over the years.

But the traffic volumes on this section of Md. 32 (between I-70 at Cooksville and Md. 108 at Clarksville) merit a four-lane highway with full access control (and maybe a reconstructed interchange at I-70 and 32, since the existing diamond is not appropriate for a junction of two controlled-access highways).

I recall reading someplace that this section of 32 has the highest ADT or AADT or AAWDT of any two-lane undivided road in Maryland. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 27, 2011, 08:17:09 AM
Annapolis Evening Capital: Bay Bridge revenue up 25 percent (http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/top/2011/12/26-08/Bay-Bridge-revenue-up-25-percent.html)

QuoteNew, higher tolls on the Bay Bridge netted the state about $739,000 more last month than during the same month in 2010, according to preliminary statistics released by the Maryland Transportation Authority.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MDRoads on December 28, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
The 2010 AADT for 2-lane MD 32 in Howard Co. was 27,440 south of the new Burnt Woods interchange to MD 108 in Clarksville, and 23,920 up from there to I-70.  It's higher north of the I-70 interchange toward Sykesville, increasing to 24,320.  Would have to think (for now undivided) MD 404 has that beat somehow on AAWDT in summer.

Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 13, 2011, 02:38:13 PM
I recall reading someplace that this section of 32 has the highest ADT or AADT or AAWDT of any two-lane undivided road in Maryland.  
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 30, 2011, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: MDRoads on December 28, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
The 2010 AADT for 2-lane MD 32 in Howard Co. was 27,440 south of the new Burnt Woods interchange to MD 108 in Clarksville, and 23,920 up from there to I-70.  It's higher north of the I-70 interchange toward Sykesville, increasing to 24,320.  Would have to think (for now undivided) MD 404 has that beat somehow on AAWDT in summer.

If it was my decision, Md. 32 would be four lanes divided all the way from Clarksville (Md. 108) at least to Sykesville (Md. 851) - and probably to Eldersburg (Md. 26), and full access control between Md. 108 and I-70.

You are almost certainly correct about Md. 404 having higher summer weekend volumes of traffic.

Do you know when the dualization of Md. 404 between Denton and U.S. 50 might be completed?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 30, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
Baltimore Sun: Five Maryland toll bridges to receive security upgrade (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-bz-bridges-security-20111205,0,6919321.story)

QuoteFive state-owned toll bridges will be getting an $11 million security upgrade, including new lighting, sensors to detect stopped vehicles and cameras to peer above and below the spans.

QuoteWork on the bridges – Bay, Key, Nice, Tydings and Hatem – is expected to begin in late winter and take 18 months. The contract went to SAIC, a Virginia company with offices in Laurel, said Maryland Transportation Authority spokeswoman Teri Moss.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 19, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
WTOP reports that Maryland may consider whether to create shoulder lanes on I-270 between Frederick and the northern end of the HOV lanes, presumably in a similar style to those on I-66. (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=70&sid=2712537)

I assume if they did that they'd probably decrease the current 65-mph speed limit to 55 mph.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 19, 2012, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 19, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
WTOP reports that Maryland may consider whether to create shoulder lanes on I-270 between Frederick and the northern end of the HOV lanes, presumably in a similar style to those on I-66. (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=70&sid=2712537)

I assume if they did that they'd probably decrease the current 65-mph speed limit to 55 mph.

This is a really, really bad idea, for several reasons.

(1) It's a much longer distance than the "shoulder use" lanes on I-66.

(2) There are several long and relatively steep grades.

(3) There are truck weigh/inspection stations on both sides between Md. 121 (Clarksburg) and Md. 109 (Hyattstown) - how to get trucks in and out of them without mixing it up with shoulder use traffic is beyond me.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 19, 2012, 11:47:30 AM
Agreed. I don't like the shoulder lanes on I-66 either, though I will concede that as a general matter they've worked better there than the ones on I-95 did (no doubt due in no small part to the use of lane-control signals on I-66, compared to their reliance on white regulatory signs on I-95). Still way too many people driving in them illegally, and even when they're used properly, you still have a problem with relying on the "emergency pull-off" areas for breakdowns. Cars do not necessarily break down only at the designated spots.

"mtantillo" of this forum has noted in the past that the FHWA originally gave Virginia approval for the shoulder lanes as a temporary measure pending real improvements. That's obviously turned into an indefinite kind of thing, as just about anyone can recognize that trying to take away that sort of "lane" without providing a replacement will simply not work because the driving public won't accept it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 19, 2012, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 19, 2012, 11:47:30 AM
Agreed. I don't like the shoulder lanes on I-66 either, though I will concede that as a general matter they've worked better there than the ones on I-95 did (no doubt due in no small part to the use of lane-control signals on I-66, compared to their reliance on white regulatory signs on I-95). Still way too many people driving in them illegally, and even when they're used properly, you still have a problem with relying on the "emergency pull-off" areas for breakdowns. Cars do not necessarily break down only at the designated spots.

And if you want to use these types of lanes, then it becomes essential to have intensive freeway service patrols (SSP in Va., CHART in Md.) working them  to deal with disabled vehicles.

Quote"mtantillo" of this forum has noted in the past that the FHWA originally gave Virginia approval for the shoulder lanes as a temporary measure pending real improvements. That's obviously turned into an indefinite kind of thing, as just about anyone can recognize that trying to take away that sort of "lane" without providing a replacement will simply not work because the driving public won't accept it.

I recall very well when the "interim" lanes opened about 1993 or 1994.  They were done that way as a money-saving measure, since real concurrent-flow HOV lanes (with shoulders on both sides) would have required extensive and expensive reconstruction of bridges over I-66 most of the way from U.S. 50 (Lee-Jackson Highway) to I-495.   Compare and contrast this segment of I-66 with the one between Va. 234 Business (Sudley Road) and U.S. 50 (which was totally reconstructed as part of building HOV lanes).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 24, 2012, 01:43:25 PM
Baltimore Sun: Two I-95 travel plazas to be rebuilt in revenue-sharing plan (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-bz-travel-plazas-upgrade-20120123,0,6370902.story)

QuoteMaryland has taken the first step toward replacing its two travel plazas on Interstate 95 north of Baltimore with expansive, airy welcome centers filled with amenities and operated by a company with years of experience serving travelers.

QuoteThe two-year, $56 million project to rebuild Maryland House and Chesapeake House as a public-private partnership with Areas USA was approved Monday by the Maryland Transportation Authority board. The deal requires the approval of the Board of Public Works next month and review by the General Assembly.

QuoteThe state would retain ownership and oversight of the plazas, while Areas USA would operate and maintain them through 2047. Areas USA would put up the $56 million, while the state estimates it would receive more than $400 million in revenue over the life of the contract.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 24, 2012, 01:44:48 PM
At that price, I don't imagine it would include replacing the current left-exits/entrances with right-side exits/entrances.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 24, 2012, 02:17:47 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 24, 2012, 01:44:48 PM
At that price, I don't imagine it would include replacing the current left-exits/entrances with right-side exits/entrances.

I don't recall seeing that as a requirement in the MdTA bid documents (though I did not read all of them), though it would have been (and it is still) a great idea - I intensely dislike the left-side entrances and exits to and from service plazas, be they on I-95 or the Garden State Parkway (and in the case of Maryland House and Chesapeake House, I think there's plenty of room to put the service plaza entrances and exits on the right with flyovers to eliminate the "wrong side" ramps).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 26, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
TOLLROADSnews: Maryland toll authority to sign 35 year $180m/$198m PV concession on I-95 Kennedy Hwy service plazas (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/5721)

QuoteThe board of directors of Maryland Transportation Authority (MdTA) operator of the I-95 Kennedy Highway Toll Road has approved signing of a 35 year concession on its two service plazas. The selected concessionaire Areas USA is a local subsidiary of a large established international company Grupo Areas SA head-officed in Barcelona Spain with major food concessions in 70 airports and 160 other toll and travel service plazas mostly in Europe and Latin America.

QuoteAreas USA is doing eight service plazas on Florida's Turnpike and major food/refreshment concessions at eleven US airports including Los Angeles, Atlanta and Boston.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 28, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
WTOP Radio: 4 dead after crash on Route 50 (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2725464)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
Washington Post: O'Malley wants 6 percent sales tax added to gasoline (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/omalley-wants-6-percent-sales-tax-added-to-gasoline/2012/01/30/gIQAqEjYcQ_blog.html)

QuoteMaryland Gov. Martin O'Malley on Monday revealed the first details of his highly anticipated proposal to raise the gas tax, saying he thinks the "best option"  would be to phase in a 6 percent sales tax, effectively raising the price of gasoline in Maryland about 7 cents per year for the next three years.

QuoteThe sales tax would be increased in increments of 2 percent annually, meaning if gas prices remained constant, the combined tax increase would be 21 cents per gallon. The tax would rise and fall proportionally to the price of gas.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2012, 03:41:08 PM
is this sales tax to go into the state's general coffers, or will it be used for road work?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2012, 04:10:31 PM
Baltimore Sun: O'Malley proposes 6 percent increase in gas prices O'Malley plan would increase gas prices by more than 20 cents per gallon (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-maryland-gas-prices-increase-proposed-0130,0,5223042.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2012, 03:41:08 PM
is this sales tax to go into the state's general coffers, or will it be used for road work?

I suspect that if it is approved, a lot of the  money will be diverted to mass transit spending, including pay raises and benefit improvements for unionized transit workers in Washington and Baltimore.

There are many that want to build a new rail lines in the D.C. suburbs and in the Baltimore region, including:

the Purple Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Line_%28Maryland%29); and
the Red Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Line_%28Baltimore%29) in Baltimore County and Baltimore City.

Montgomery County, Maryland also wants to build some sort of a transit line roughly parallel to I-270 called the Corridor Cities Transitway.  Most of the talk has been in favor of a light rail line, though the County Council recently voted to endorse this project as a bus rapid transit line.

If all of the above gain approvals, then there's not going to be much left for highway improvements.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2012, 02:44:46 PM
Baltimore Sun: Second of two losing bidders protests travel plaza award - Both losing bidders on I-95 travel plazas job have filed protests with Md. Transportation Authority (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-bz-travel-plaza-protest-20120208,0,4645147.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 15, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
Baltimore Sun: I-95 plaza bidder prompts questions - Fla. work reported late; losing Md. competitors complain (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-bz-travel-plaza-contract-areas-20120214,0,6797371.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 22, 2012, 03:39:53 PM
This is about the four-lane National Park Service section of the Parkway, presumably between Md. 450 (Annapolis Road) and Md. 175 (Odenton).

From GreaterGreaterWashington: Feds, Maryland examine widening Balt.-Wash. Parkway (http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/13758/feds-maryland-examine-widening-balt-wash-parkway/)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: treichard on February 22, 2012, 04:43:05 PM
I'd like to see a B-W Pkwy. study that looked at interchange improvements, such as these, where the interchange configuration serves as a source of congestion:

1. Solve the weaving problem SB between the MD 193 and I-495 interchanges due to the closely spaced interchanges.  Traffic merging on from MD 193 conflicts with traffic exiting onto I-495 WB.  The situation NB isn't much better.

2. Solve the northbound evening rush hour back-up  at the Powder Mill Rd. interchange from merging traffic.  Just a half-mile ahead, a 3rd lane begins quite early for all the Laurel traffic exiting onto MD 197.  I'd like to see if the benefit of connecting the Powder Mill Rd. on-ramp to the MD 197 off-ramp as a 3rd NB lane would justify the cost.  It'd give merging/exiting traffic about a whole mile to safely merge, perhaps at freeway speeds instead of at the current, near stand-still.  On the surface, this looks like a high-benefit/low-cost solution.  There is a similar but less severe problem southbound during the morning rush hour.

3. Solve the back-ups at the MD 32 and I-695 interchanges, which are each old-style cloverleaves that trigger back-ups from the weaving problem at the loop ramp connections to the through lanes. A modern (though expensive) freeway-freeway interchange might solve or alleviate these problem spots.



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 22, 2012, 09:42:55 PM
Quote from: treichard on February 22, 2012, 04:43:05 PM
I'd like to see a B-W Pkwy. study that looked at interchange improvements, such as these, where the interchange configuration serves as a source of congestion:

1. Solve the weaving problem SB between the MD 193 and I-495 interchanges due to the closely spaced interchanges.  Traffic merging on from MD 193 conflicts with traffic exiting onto I-495 WB.  The situation NB isn't much better.

It's better than it was before the Parkway was reconstructed in the 1990's, though still not great.

If you look closely at the south side of eastbound Md. 193 just before the Parkway underpass, you should be able to see that there was once an on-ramp to the southbound Parkway from Md. 193 eastbound.  I believe it was removed when I-495 was built in the early 1960's.  Putting that ramp back so traffic from Md. 193 could get to the Outer Loop of I-495 (I-95 N) would remove some traffic from that weave.

Quote2. Solve the northbound evening rush hour back-up  at the Powder Mill Rd. interchange from merging traffic.  Just a half-mile ahead, a 3rd lane begins quite early for all the Laurel traffic exiting onto MD 197.  I'd like to see if the benefit of connecting the Powder Mill Rd. on-ramp to the MD 197 off-ramp as a 3rd NB lane would justify the cost.  It'd give merging/exiting traffic about a whole mile to safely merge, perhaps at freeway speeds instead of at the current, near stand-still.  On the surface, this looks like a high-benefit/low-cost solution.  There is a similar but less severe problem southbound during the morning rush hour.

All of the workers getting out of the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center (and to a lesser extent, the U.S. Secret Service facility on Powder Mill Road and the USDA/BARC) want to enter the northbound lanes of the Parkway, and adding a third lane between Powder Mill Road and Md. 197 would almost certainly help.

Quote3. Solve the back-ups at the MD 32 and I-695 interchanges, which are each old-style cloverleaves that trigger back-ups from the weaving problem at the loop ramp connections to the through lanes. A modern (though expensive) freeway-freeway interchange might solve or alleviate these problem spots.

Agreed regarding the Md. 32/B-W Parkway interchange.  Fort Meade is one of the largest employment centers in the state, and a more-modern interchange there would help.  As would more lanes on Md. 32 and the Parkway.

Unfortunately, north of Md. 175, the Parkway is part of the Maryland State Highway Administration's network, and beyond what the USDOT/FHWA are looking at.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on February 24, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 15, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
Baltimore Sun: I-95 plaza bidder prompts questions - Fla. work reported late; losing Md. competitors complain (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-bz-travel-plaza-contract-areas-20120214,0,6797371.story)

I hope HMSHost doesn't end up winning this bid.  They have a near monopoly on the service plazas in the Northeast and it always seems they have the same restaurants.  The variety that Areas USA offered was refreshing.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MDRoads on February 25, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2012, 03:41:08 PM
is this sales tax to go into the state's general coffers, or will it be used for road work?

Some lawmakers want a guarantee that it will go to road work, but such promises are made to be broken.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2012, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on February 24, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 15, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
Baltimore Sun: I-95 plaza bidder prompts questions - Fla. work reported late; losing Md. competitors complain (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-bz-travel-plaza-contract-areas-20120214,0,6797371.story)

I hope HMSHost doesn't end up winning this bid.  They have a near monopoly on the service plazas in the Northeast and it always seems they have the same restaurants.  The variety that Areas USA offered was refreshing.

Even though the decision by MdTA to award the contract to Areas USA is in litigation (and interestingly, that litigation is, for now, in (relatively) far-away Montgomery County), were I betting on the outcome of this, my money would still be on Areas USA.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2012, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: MDRoads on February 25, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2012, 03:41:08 PM
is this sales tax to go into the state's general coffers, or will it be used for road work?

Some lawmakers want a guarantee that it will go to road work, but such promises are made to be broken.

And it's important to note that many lawmakers want most of the revenue to end-up being spent on rail transit lines, including the new Purple Line in the D.C. suburbs and the new Red Line in Baltimore City and Baltimore County.

Spending motor fuel tax money on projects that do not benefit highway users is a great way to increase the already-cynical attitude that many people have about such taxes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 26, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
QuoteSpending motor fuel tax money on projects that do not benefit highway users

Do tell how you feel they won't benefit highway users...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on February 26, 2012, 12:48:28 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 26, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
QuoteSpending motor fuel tax money on projects that do not benefit highway users

Do tell how you feel they won't benefit highway users...


Kentucky spent TEA-21 funds on a museum a few years ago.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: allniter89 on February 26, 2012, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 2011, 12:10:09 AM
Not only that, but it seems fairly well used. Wouldn't you rather use a free-flow loop than a left turn with conflict?

Not in Maryland but the last time I was in the Jackson, MS area, US 49 north to I 20 west had a left turn ramp as well as  a loop ramp.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 26, 2012, 02:35:18 PM
QuoteKentucky spent TEA-21 funds on a museum a few years ago.

That's Kentucky and a museum.  It's not Maryland and in this particular case, I'd like CP to explain why he feels the Purple Line and the Red Line wouldn't benefit highway users.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2012, 03:19:38 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 26, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
QuoteSpending motor fuel tax money on projects that do not benefit highway users

Do tell how you feel they won't benefit highway users...

Not feel - observed data, going back to before the first segment of the Metrorail system opened.

The Washington Metrorail system, which was sold to the region as (1) Obviating the need for the D.C. freeway network; and (2) ending all street and highway congestion - has done none of the above.  It has not especially increased trips by transit, but it did very effectively take riders that used to ride transit buses and put them on trains. 

It also appears to have removed a lot of people from car-pools and put them on trains. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on February 26, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2012, 03:19:38 PM
It has not especially increased trips by transit, but it did very effectively take riders that used to ride transit buses and put them on trains. 

It also appears to have removed a lot of people from car-pools and put them on trains. 

So it clearly benefited highway users, e.g. those in buses and carpools.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 27, 2012, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2012, 03:19:38 PM
It has not especially increased trips by transit, but it did very effectively take riders that used to ride transit buses and put them on trains. 

It also appears to have removed a lot of people from car-pools and put them on trains. 

So it clearly benefited highway users, e.g. those in buses and carpools.

No.

The selling point of Metrorail (in the 1960's through 1980's) was street and highway traffic congestion relief, and the way to get that with transit is to get people in single-occupant vehicles to park their cars and take transit.

Moving people from buses (many of them were express buses), car-pools and van-pools to rail did not provide any congestion relief.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on February 27, 2012, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 27, 2012, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2012, 03:19:38 PM
It has not especially increased trips by transit, but it did very effectively take riders that used to ride transit buses and put them on trains. 

It also appears to have removed a lot of people from car-pools and put them on trains. 

So it clearly benefited highway users, e.g. those in buses and carpools.

No.

The selling point of Metrorail (in the 1960's through 1980's) was street and highway traffic congestion relief, and the way to get that with transit is to get people in single-occupant vehicles to park their cars and take transit.

Moving people from buses (many of them were express buses), car-pools and van-pools to rail did not provide any congestion relief.

We're not talking about what the selling point was (or what you think it was). We're talking about the lie that transit does not help highway users.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 29, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
I've heard of (and even seen) a few sinkholes in some Maryland counties.

Frederick County, which sits on so-called Karst topography is notorious for sinkholes (including at least one that led to a temporary closure of half of I-70).

But I have never heard of a sinkhole in Prince George's County before.  This one happened on Md. 450 (Annapolis Road) near the so-called Peace Cross monument in the Town of Bladensburg at U.S. 1 Alternate. 

WTOP Radio story: Westbound Annapolis Rd. closed in Bladensburg (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=58&sid=2766479)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 29, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
WTOP reports that Maryland is seriously considering putting enforcement cameras on school buses to catch the people who ignore the flashing red lights (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=654&sid=2765633).

I'm conflicted on that, although it wouldn't affect me because I always stop for school buses. I don't like automated enforcement and cameras. I think once you allow them for any purpose, the lawmakers will expand them to cover everything (as we're seeing in Maryland with the proliferation of speed cameras now leading to the school bus enforcement). On the other hand, I can't see any justification for blowing past a school bus whose red lights are flashing, assuming of course there's no median separating you from the bus. So I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who might get nailed by these hypothetical cameras.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 29, 2012, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 29, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
I've heard of (and even seen) a few sinkholes in some Maryland counties.

Frederick County, which sits on so-called Karst topography is notorious for sinkholes (including at least one that led to a temporary closure of half of I-70).

But I have never heard of a sinkhole in Prince George's County before.  This one happened on Md. 450 (Annapolis Road) near the so-called Peace Cross monument in the Town of Bladensburg at U.S. 1 Alternate.

So this is not a "natural" sinkhole - I think the story has been updated.

QuoteThe repairs include fixing a valve and the 12-inch main, Hudson says.

He says the sinkhole highlights the problem of having to repair aging and failing pipes, rather than replacing them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on March 01, 2012, 11:02:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 29, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
WTOP reports that Maryland is seriously considering putting enforcement cameras on school buses to catch the people who ignore the flashing red lights (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=654&sid=2765633).

I'm conflicted on that, although it wouldn't affect me because I always stop for school buses. I don't like automated enforcement and cameras. I think once you allow them for any purpose, the lawmakers will expand them to cover everything (as we're seeing in Maryland with the proliferation of speed cameras now leading to the school bus enforcement). On the other hand, I can't see any justification for blowing past a school bus whose red lights are flashing, assuming of course there's no median separating you from the bus. So I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who might get nailed by these hypothetical cameras.

Haven't read the link, but these wouldn't need to be automated cameras like speeding and red light cameras, would they? They could just be a consumer quality video camera (like many of us shoot road videos with) that could provide video evidence to support a citation.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 01, 2012, 11:02:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 29, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
WTOP reports that Maryland is seriously considering putting enforcement cameras on school buses to catch the people who ignore the flashing red lights (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=654&sid=2765633).

I'm conflicted on that, although it wouldn't affect me because I always stop for school buses. I don't like automated enforcement and cameras. I think once you allow them for any purpose, the lawmakers will expand them to cover everything (as we're seeing in Maryland with the proliferation of speed cameras now leading to the school bus enforcement). On the other hand, I can't see any justification for blowing past a school bus whose red lights are flashing, assuming of course there's no median separating you from the bus. So I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who might get nailed by these hypothetical cameras.

Haven't read the link, but these wouldn't need to be automated cameras like speeding and red light cameras, would they? They could just be a consumer quality video camera (like many of us shoot road videos with) that could provide video evidence to support a citation.

I don't know if it would work in precisely the same way as the photo radar and red light cameras, and I suspect there would be some differences due to the camera being mounted on a school bus, but the article suggests something more than a simple video camera:

QuoteLegislation has been passed in Maryland that allows for automated cameras to be placed on the outside of school buses. Those cameras snap pictures of the license plates of vehicles that pass by school bus stop signs, and the driver can be sent a ticket in the mail. The automated ticketing process works the same way as red-light and speed cameras.

The state bill requires individual counties to approve the bill on their own to set up the program. A majority of Montgomery County councilmembers have already expressed support for the system, and it is expected to be fully approved in the coming weeks.

I don't know the details of how the existing photo radar and red light cameras work, but I suspect it may vary in different jurisdictions (consider also how camera laws vary in regard to whether they photograph the front or back, what must be included in the image, and so on). In DC it appears to me they may have someone going around and either downloading images or removing film, this based on my having seen a service vehicle stopped near some of the red light cameras on multiple occasions, often around the same time of day. You'd think they'd have some way to take digital images and then have the cameras send them in via a secure connection, but I don't know. I also wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the mobile speed cameras in DC work differently in this respect from the fixed speed cameras and that they have some sort of download procedure when the photocop returns from sitting on the side of the road, and I'd expect school bus enforcement cameras would probably work via some similar system.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 01, 2012, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 01, 2012, 11:02:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 29, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
WTOP reports that Maryland is seriously considering putting enforcement cameras on school buses to catch the people who ignore the flashing red lights (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=654&sid=2765633).

I'm conflicted on that, although it wouldn't affect me because I always stop for school buses. I don't like automated enforcement and cameras. I think once you allow them for any purpose, the lawmakers will expand them to cover everything (as we're seeing in Maryland with the proliferation of speed cameras now leading to the school bus enforcement). On the other hand, I can't see any justification for blowing past a school bus whose red lights are flashing, assuming of course there's no median separating you from the bus. So I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who might get nailed by these hypothetical cameras.

Haven't read the link, but these wouldn't need to be automated cameras like speeding and red light cameras, would they? They could just be a consumer quality video camera (like many of us shoot road videos with) that could provide video evidence to support a citation.

I am not exactly in favor of "automated" traffic enforcement, especially because some places in the United States (like the District of Columbia) are using automated traffic enforcement to collect revenue, not to improve traffic safety.

Having said that, and speaking of Maryland, I believe that the General Assembly (not a county or municipal government) would have to enact a change to the state's Transportation Article to allow this type of automated enforcement (it already allows some forms of red light and speed cameras).   There might be an issue in counties where school bus service is provided by private-sector contractors and not the school district itself (all school districts in Maryland are county-wide except in Baltimore City, where the school district is city-wide because Baltimore City is not part of any county), only a few counties have county school buses, most of the counties contract with the private sector for transportation service - and at least once school district uses the private sector for "regular" transportation, but uses school district buses and employees to transport some special education and disabled pupils.

The school district in the middle of this article, Montgomery County, uses only its own buses (with local government registration plates) that are driven by school district employees. 

I think it might make a legal difference if the camera was mounted on a bus with local government plates instead of plates belonging to a private contractor (even though all school buses are painted yellow and have essentially the same flashing lights and STOP paddles).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on March 01, 2012, 03:28:10 PM
I am fully in favor of this. I see people passing stopped school busses very often and there have been some close calls withcars passing WHILE CHILDREN ARE CROSSING THE ROAD.  I only slightly sarcasticly suggested one change. Besides the camera I suggested a paintball gun loaded with bright paint that would automatically mark the car when it passes the bus  so everyone would know who is endangering the kids.

The legislation is in the General Assembly (if it hasn't already passed) 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Duke87 on March 01, 2012, 08:54:06 PM
This actually makes more sense than red light cameras and a hell of a lot more sense than speed cameras. Though I wonder about the potential for false positives - passing on the other side of a median barrier being one possible scenario.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on March 02, 2012, 07:03:34 AM
I believe the review process will take care of false positives such as you mentioned.  The median or barrier would be visible in the photo and the reviewing officer should not send the ticket out.  If the ticket is sent out the photo that goes along with it will provide proof when the defendant fights the ticket.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 02, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: bsmart on March 02, 2012, 07:03:34 AM
I believe the review process will take care of false positives such as you mentioned.  The median or barrier would be visible in the photo and the reviewing officer should not send the ticket out.  If the ticket is sent out the photo that goes along with it will provide proof when the defendant fights the ticket.

I agree with you - however, what are the safeguards that "bad" tickets do not get issued?  I realize that (at least in Maryland) a person that gets an "automated" ticket can challenge it in the District Court system, but it would be really bad public policy if even a few people had to fight such "bad" tickets - and some judges might be tempted to just dismiss them without a trial if they see a lot "bad" ones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2012, 09:40:50 PM
Judge clears way for I-95 travel plaza construction (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-bz-travel-plaza-tro-20120301,0,6736465.story)

QuoteA Montgomery County circuit judge cleared the way Friday for the state Board of Public Works to vote next week on a half-billion-dollar contract to rebuild and operate the two Interstate 95 travel plazas north of Baltimore.

QuoteJudge Eric Johnson lifted the restraining order he issued nearly two weeks ago, saying state case law did not allow him to interfere with the board's constitutional authority to act on the contract, which is expected to be awarded to Miami-based Areas USA.

QuoteBut he delayed ruling on a motion by the Maryland Transportation Authority and Areas to move the case to Circuit Court in Baltimore, where the majority of the defendants have offices and where all of the bid evaluation work took place.

State panel awards travel plaza contract (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-bz-travel-plaza-bpw-vote-20120305,0,5480967.story)

QuoteThe state Board of Public Works approved a half-billion-dollar contract on Wednesday to replace the two travel plazas on Interstate 95 north of Baltimore over the objection of a losing bidder that has vowed a legal battle to stop the deal.

QuoteBy a 2-1 vote, with Comptroller Peter Franchot opposed, the board awarded Miami-based Areas USA the 35-year contract to replace and operate Chesapeake House in Cecil County and Maryland House in Harford County. Areas will take over operation of the plazas – two of the nation's busiest – in September, with construction to begin almost immediately.

Quote"We are pleased that we prevailed and look forward to getting started and giving the people of Maryland travel areas that are welcoming gateways and that they can be proud of," said Xavier Rabell, CEO of Areas USA.

QuoteBut executives at HMSHost, based in Bethesda and operator of the plazas since 1987, contend the bidding process was illegal and biased. They say they will file suit in Baltimore Circuit Court seeking to get the vote overturned and the project rebid.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 13, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
Baltimore Sun:

State looks at all-electronic toll collection - Preliminary report says conversion is feasible but would come at a significant price (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-bz-expand-electronic-tolls-20120312,0,4028875.story)

QuoteMaryland may eventually do away with tollbooths on the state's highways, bridges and tunnels and switch to electronic toll collection.

QuoteA preliminary report by the Maryland Transportation Authority concluded that converting its seven toll plazas is feasible but would cost as much as $180 million.

QuoteTransportation officials initiated the study as they look for long-term savings and ways to reduce travel time and increase highway safety.

Quote"It's something we're interested in doing. It's something the industry is moving toward. But it's complicated and we're in the earliest stages," said Harold Bartlett, the transportation authority's executive secretary.

TOLLROADSnews: Maryland likely to take staged approach to all-electronic tolling (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/5825)

QuoteMaryland seems likely to take a gradual, facility-by-facility approach going toward all-electronic tolling (AET). The state tolling agency Maryland Transportation Authority (MdTA) already has one AET facility - the Inter County Connector (MD200) an 18 mile, 29km long 8-interchange facility whose AET toll system has worked apparently flawlessly since it opened to traffic, the first stretch a year ago, the rest late 2011. There are always issues being worked by technical staff but no problems reaching public attention have surfaced.

QuoteAnother all-electronic toll project on the way is express toll lanes on I-95 from the I-95/895 split north of the two Baltimore harbor tunnels through the rebuilt Beltway I-695 interchange to Ikea.

QuoteBut the seven older toll facilities are mostly slow-speed single lane E-ZPass and cash lanes. At the Key Bridge and McHenry Tunnels they have left lanes wider and marked off as higher speed E-ZPass Only lanes, posted for 30mph. And on I-95 at the Susquehanna River toll point the left E-ZPass-only toll lane is marked off with a solid line, and is treated by motorists as a higher speed toll lane.

QuoteBut no real open road toll lanes alongside cash.

QuoteHarold Bartlett, chief executive told us they're only part way through an AET Conversion and Prioritization Study for the seven mixed toll collection facilities - consultants are RK&K, URS - but they put together some preliminary thoughts recently at the request of people in the state General Assembly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 04, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
Washington Post: Maryland should invest $5.8 billion in Beltway, study says (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/maryland-should-invest-58-billion-in-beltway-study-says/2012/04/04/gIQA1NOIvS_story.html)

QuoteMaryland's top transportation priority should be a $5.8 billion project to widen the entire Capital Beltway, from the Woodrow Wilson Bridge to the American Legion Bridge, a leading national transportation group said Wednesday.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on April 05, 2012, 06:49:48 AM
While I agree that the DC Beltway needs help there are a lot of places in the state that major improvements could be made with a small portion of that 5.8 Billion.  And there would be a lot of pushback from parts of the state that never go near the DC Beltway.  In this area it is always good to specify which Beltway you are talking about. I-695 (The Baltimore Beltway) and I-495 (The DC Beltway) aren't that far apart and I have seen times when a conversation about one is confused as being about the other.  I've also seen arguments start along the lines of 'Oh that isn't THE Beltway'
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 05, 2012, 07:47:45 AM
In my experience (because I commute on it), the southeast side of the Beltway doesn't need widening.  From Landover to Oxon Hill, the only time the Beltway gets bad is when there's a major crash.

BTW, TRIP needs to work on their quality control.  I looked at their Top 40 projects list and several projects have the wrong importance listed (i.e. stating access improvements to the Branch Ave Metro station will "provide improved accessibility to Fort Meade")
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 05, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: froggie on April 05, 2012, 07:47:45 AM
In my experience (because I commute on it), the southeast side of the Beltway doesn't need widening.  From Landover to Oxon Hill, the only time the Beltway gets bad is when there's a major crash.

Maybe not today, but looking at a 20 year design year, it could be widened by adding a 5th inner lane each way and making it a managed lane.  That would match the WWB inner lanes which are reserved for future transit, and VA would need to do similar widening to connect to managed lanes at Springfield.  Express bus and HOV would be a much better use of WWB transit than any form of rail, IMHO.  Rail would be overkill for that corridor and HOV/busway would be much more flexible in that the express buses could seamlessly access local roads as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 05, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: froggie on April 05, 2012, 07:47:45 AM
In my experience (because I commute on it), the southeast side of the Beltway doesn't need widening.  From Landover to Oxon Hill, the only time the Beltway gets bad is when there's a major crash.

Maybe not today, but looking at a 20 year design year, it could be widened by adding a 5th inner lane each way and making it a managed lane.  That would match the WWB inner lanes which are reserved for future transit, and VA would need to do similar widening to connect to managed lanes at Springfield.  Express bus and HOV would be a much better use of WWB transit than any form of rail, IMHO.  Rail would be overkill for that corridor and HOV/busway would be much more flexible in that the express buses could seamlessly access local roads as well.

Managed lanes are fine, but I have come to harbor an intense dislike of single managed lanes, for a variety of operational reasons. 

In most cases, there should be two managed lanes if traffic warrants one such lane (exceptions for lanes that are bus-only, like the contraflow bus lanes approach to the Lincoln Tunnel from New Jersey).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 07, 2012, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 05, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: froggie on April 05, 2012, 07:47:45 AM
In my experience (because I commute on it), the southeast side of the Beltway doesn't need widening.  From Landover to Oxon Hill, the only time the Beltway gets bad is when there's a major crash.

Maybe not today, but looking at a 20 year design year, it could be widened by adding a 5th inner lane each way and making it a managed lane.  That would match the WWB inner lanes which are reserved for future transit, and VA would need to do similar widening to connect to managed lanes at Springfield.  Express bus and HOV would be a much better use of WWB transit than any form of rail, IMHO.  Rail would be overkill for that corridor and HOV/busway would be much more flexible in that the express buses could seamlessly access local roads as well.

Managed lanes are fine, but I have come to harbor an intense dislike of single managed lanes, for a variety of operational reasons.  

In most cases, there should be two managed lanes if traffic warrants one such lane (exceptions for lanes that are bus-only, like the contraflow bus lanes approach to the Lincoln Tunnel from New Jersey).

Managed lanes across the Woodrow Wilson Bridge will be limited to one lane each way, as that is they way that the new WWB design was approved.  The inner lane on each WWB express roadway is reserved for either HOV/busway or rail transit.  Those inner lanes were built on the land portions of the 7.5 mile long WWB project as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 12, 2012, 07:55:40 PM
Baltimore Sun on the impending partial closure of I-83 (Jones Falls Expressway)
in Baltimore City: JFX jammed? Try these alternate routes to downtown (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-jfx-alternate-routes-20120412-5,0,4211602.story)

QuoteIs it a coincidence? The closure of one lane in each direction on the Jones Falls Expressway begins on Friday the 13th.

QuoteAt 7 p.m., to be precise.

QuoteThe lanes will be closed near 29th St. and Druid Lake Drive to permit repairs to damaged drainage pipes under the expressway, said the Baltimore Department of Transportation, which expects the project to take as many as eight weeks.

Quote"The remaining two lanes in each direction will not provide sufficient capacity to accommodate traffic demand and, accordingly, severe congestion will result unless there is a significant traffic diversion," the department said in a statement.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 12, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 07, 2012, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 05, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: froggie on April 05, 2012, 07:47:45 AM
In my experience (because I commute on it), the southeast side of the Beltway doesn't need widening.  From Landover to Oxon Hill, the only time the Beltway gets bad is when there's a major crash.

Maybe not today, but looking at a 20 year design year, it could be widened by adding a 5th inner lane each way and making it a managed lane.  That would match the WWB inner lanes which are reserved for future transit, and VA would need to do similar widening to connect to managed lanes at Springfield.  Express bus and HOV would be a much better use of WWB transit than any form of rail, IMHO.  Rail would be overkill for that corridor and HOV/busway would be much more flexible in that the express buses could seamlessly access local roads as well.

Managed lanes are fine, but I have come to harbor an intense dislike of single managed lanes, for a variety of operational reasons. 

In most cases, there should be two managed lanes if traffic warrants one such lane (exceptions for lanes that are bus-only, like the contraflow bus lanes approach to the Lincoln Tunnel from New Jersey).

Managed lanes across the Woodrow Wilson Bridge will be limited to one lane each way, as that is they way that the new WWB design was approved.

That is correct.  And even if they are put to use as managed lanes, they will probably work well, since there's not much recurring congestion there any longer. 

This morning being an exception, when a crash on the 11th Street Bridge (I-695 over the Anacostia River) took a very long time for District of Columbia officials to resolve, backing up traffic all the way south on I-295 to the Capital Beltway, and congesting the Outer Loop of the Beltway (I-95 N) as far west [south] as Va. 613 (S. Van Dorn Street) and the Inner Loop (I-95 S) as far east [north] as Md. 414 (St. Barnabas Road).

QuoteThe inner lane on each WWB express roadway is reserved for either HOV/busway or rail transit.  Those inner lanes were built on the land portions of the 7.5 mile long WWB project as well.

Correct. 

But without barrier separation, I have come to the conclusion that concurrent-flow managed lanes don't serve their users very well. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 12, 2012, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 12, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 07, 2012, 09:01:41 PM
The inner lane on each WWB express roadway is reserved for either HOV/busway or rail transit.  Those inner lanes were built on the land portions of the 7.5 mile long WWB project as well.

Correct.  

But without barrier separation, I have come to the conclusion that concurrent-flow managed lanes don't serve their users very well.  

The concurrent-flow managed lanes on I-66 and the Dulles Toll Road add a lot more value to the highway than if they were general purpose lanes, IMHO.

I am comfortable with single-lane concurrent-flow managed lanes on the WWB and that section of the Beltway, they should match the needs well.

The double-lane managed lanes on I-495 between Springfield and McLean will be the "heart" of the managed lanes on the Beltway, as they connect directly to the managed lanes of all three radial freeways that have managed lanes (I-95/I-395, I-66, and DTR), and should carry a lot of bus and car pool traffic due to those connections.  The Beltway already carries a lot of general purpose traffic trips that utliize both a Beltway segment and a radial segment.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 13, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 12, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
....

That is correct.  And even if they are put to use as managed lanes, they will probably work well, since there's not much recurring congestion there any longer. 

This morning being an exception, when a crash on the 11th Street Bridge (I-695 over the Anacostia River) took a very long time for District of Columbia officials to resolve, backing up traffic all the way south on I-295 to the Capital Beltway, and congesting the Outer Loop of the Beltway (I-95 N) as far west [south] as Va. 613 (S. Van Dorn Street) and the Inner Loop (I-95 S) as far east [north] as Md. 414 (St. Barnabas Road).

....

Which, to be fair, is not something you can chalk up to the design of the Beltway or the Wilson Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 15, 2012, 03:30:05 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 13, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
Which, to be fair, is not something you can chalk up to the design of the Beltway or the Wilson Bridge.

Absolutely correct. 

Though it shows how the anti-auto/anti-highway attitude of the municipal government of the District of Columbia impacts people that don't even have D.C. as a destination.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 15, 2012, 03:35:07 PM
Great image in this article showing the damage inflicted by the floodwaters resulting from Hurricane Agnes (1972) on the south end of the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway (I-895 today). 

At the time, the BHT ended at U.S. 1, though the construction that would extend the toll road south to I-95 can be seen.

Baltimore Sun: 40 years later, Howard looks back at Tropical Storm Agnes - 1972 storm is the worst in memory for most in Howard County (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/bs-ho-hurricane-agnes-40th-0415-20120415,0,168704.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 19, 2012, 02:10:26 PM
A TOLLROADSnews article about what is almost certainly the least-known toll crossing in Maryland, the "low-water" toll bridge over the Potomac River between Oldtown, Maryland and Green Spring, West Virginia:  Oldtown Bridge MD-WV facing major regulatory problems for toll hike (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/5879)

Google Maps satellite image of the bridge and surrounding area here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=green+spring,+w.va.&hl=en&ll=39.538999,-78.612885&spn=0.009283,0.013647&geocode=+&hnear=Green+Spring,+Springfield,+Hampshire,+West+Virginia&t=h&z=16).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on April 19, 2012, 09:05:02 PM
I first read about the low water bridge back in the 60s in the 'Sun' magazine in the Sunday Baltimore Sun newspaper.  As I remember the article it said they would pull the deck off the bridge in the winter so that debris ice and high water wouldn't destroy it.  One day about 20 years ago my son and I drove out there mainly to see the Paw-Paw tunnel but after lunch drove west and saw the bridge but didn't cross it.  I may see about taking a day trip out there soon.  If you do go out and plan on walking through the tunnel remember to take a flashlight!  It does get very dark when you get away from the portal
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on April 20, 2012, 12:11:02 AM
QuoteThe single lane wood decked Oldtown Bridge brings in about $100,000/year in tolls on about 200,000 tolled vehicle crossings a year (530/day average).
I was a bit surprised to find out that bridge got that much traffic. Oldtown is a very small town, but I guess it makes sense since the nearest crossing is about 30 miles away. I've crossed that bridge several times (my sister used to live in Green Spring).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 20, 2012, 11:51:44 AM
Quote from: algorerhythms on April 20, 2012, 12:11:02 AM
QuoteThe single lane wood decked Oldtown Bridge brings in about $100,000/year in tolls on about 200,000 tolled vehicle crossings a year (530/day average).
I was a bit surprised to find out that bridge got that much traffic. Oldtown is a very small town, but I guess it makes sense since the nearest crossing is about 30 miles away. I've crossed that bridge several times (my sister used to live in Green Spring).

I've been out that way, but not recently, and when I once tried to cross the bridge, it was blocked by "portable" Jersey wall barriers. 

From what I have seen from satellite images, the Koppers Company purchased (what was once) a large Baltimore and Ohio Railroad yard in Green Spring, W.Va. a short distance from the bridge.  According to the Koppers Web site (here (http://www.koppers.com/htm/OurCo_Loca_US_Green.html)), this area is now a plant that preserves wood for railroad industry use (I would think mostly railroad ties). It is reasonable to assume that at least some of the Koppers employees live on the north side of the Potomac River and commute across the bridge - and that some of the truck traffic coming to and from Koppers prefers to use Md. 51 for access.

Given that the nearest crossings of the river are quite distant (Md. 61/W.Va. 28 upriver at Cumberland and Md. 51/W.Va. 9 downriver at Paw Paw), it makes sense that even in this rural area there would be some demand for a crossing of the Potomac River.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MDRoads on April 22, 2012, 03:38:51 PM
An extra 10-15 minutes to my commute, and I don't use the JFX, just trying to cross some of the spokes (Perring, Charles, St Paul, Falls Rd, etc).  Greenmount Ave though is about the same as before.

Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 12, 2012, 07:55:40 PM
Baltimore Sun on the impending partial closure of I-83 (Jones Falls Expressway)
in Baltimore City: JFX jammed? Try these alternate routes to downtown (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-jfx-alternate-routes-20120412-5,0,4211602.story)

QuoteIs it a coincidence? The closure of one lane in each direction on the Jones Falls Expressway begins on Friday the 13th.

QuoteAt 7 p.m., to be precise.

QuoteThe lanes will be closed near 29th St. and Druid Lake Drive to permit repairs to damaged drainage pipes under the expressway, said the Baltimore Department of Transportation, which expects the project to take as many as eight weeks.

Quote"The remaining two lanes in each direction will not provide sufficient capacity to accommodate traffic demand and, accordingly, severe congestion will result unless there is a significant traffic diversion," the department said in a statement.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 01, 2012, 06:12:18 PM
The Washington Post's Dr. Gridlock reports Maryland is building a DDI at the BW Parkway junction with Arundel Mills Boulevard (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/post/new-interchange-underway-on-bw-parkway-near-arundel-mills-casino/2012/05/01/gIQAopptuT_blog.html).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 02, 2012, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2012, 06:12:18 PM
The Washington Post's Dr. Gridlock reports Maryland is building a DDI at the BW Parkway junction with Arundel Mills Boulevard (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/post/new-interchange-underway-on-bw-parkway-near-arundel-mills-casino/2012/05/01/gIQAopptuT_blog.html).

GreaterGreaterWashington reports that one is under consideration for the interchange of Md. 201 (Kenilworth  Avenue) and Md. 193 (Greenbelt Road) in Greenbelt:  "Diverging diamond" doesn't help make a walkable corridor (http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/14519/diverging-diamond-doesnt-help-make-a-walkable-corridor/)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 02, 2012, 05:36:30 PM
Baltimore Sun: High traffic volume expected at Bay Bridge this weekend (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-weekend-bay-bridge-traffic-20120502,0,7040010.story)

QuoteThe first of the travel season's "go early, go late" advisories for the Bay Bridge is in effect this weekend as thousands of visitors head for Springfest 2012 in Ocean City.

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority said motorists should avoid high traffic volume Thursday through Sunday by traveling to the annual spring block party during off-peak hours. If eastbound traffic conditions warrant it, the westbound span will operate with two-way traffic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 03, 2012, 07:55:04 PM
Baltimore Sun: Beltway lanes reopened after truck overturns (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-inner-loop-closed-20120503,0,7511395.story)

QuoteWith the clock ticking toward Thursday afternoon rush hour, state crews raced to right a tractor-trailer truck and clear the debris that closed all four lanes of the inner loop of Interstate 695 near U.S. 1.

QuoteThe truck was drained of fuel and hitched to a tow truck, and all lanes were open just 2 1/2 hours after the accident happened, the State Highway Administration said.

QuoteThe flat-bed truck, hauling pipes and lumber, tipped over and landed on the driver's side at 12:48 p.m., according to State Police spokesman Greg Shipley. A preliminary investigation indicated that the truck may have been going too fast as it entered the inner loop from the Washington Boulevard eastbound ramp, he said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 08, 2012, 07:50:27 PM
Baltimore Sun: State Police run truck-safety dragnet at FedEx Field - Hundreds of truckers pulled over for surprise inspection (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-truck-safety-dragnet-20120508,0,5950086.story)

QuoteJust after dawn Tuesday, law enforcement officers began yanking hundreds of trucks off the Capital Beltway and funneling them to an inspection lot a long touchdown pass from FedEx Field.

QuoteThe truck-safety dragnet pulled over 420 rigs and resulted in 12 drivers and 87 vehicles being taken off the road. Offenses ranged from falsified log books and drivers spending too many hours behind the wheel to bad tires and defective brakes.

Quote"Within an hour, drivers from Maine to Florida will know we're out here," said State Police Capt. Norman Dofflemyer as the first truck pulled into a makeshift inspection lane at 7:24 a.m. "They get on the radio and on their phones. News travels fast."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 14, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
I wonder how many of them detoured over to the west side of the Beltway as a result...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 14, 2012, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 14, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
I wonder how many of them detoured over to the west side of the Beltway as a result...

Probably a fair number - though that side is more congestion-prone than through Prince George's County.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 16, 2012, 07:39:27 AM
Baltimore Sun editorial: Annapolis' unfinished business: Transportation funding Our view: For the second time in six weeks, lawmakers will leave Annapolis without having done a thing to address Maryland's transportation deficit (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-transportation-20120515,0,6216923.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 20, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
There were images of the crash scene of this on D.C.-area TV stations this morning.  I don't really understand how a head-on wreck could happen here, since I believe there is a barrier on the median to (supposedly) prevent such things.

WTOP Radio: Fatal crash closes NB lanes of Baltimore-Washington Parkway (http://www.wtop.com/41/2871566/Fatal-crash-closes-Baltimore-Washington-Parkway)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 20, 2012, 10:18:29 PM
The median barrier is only in the immediate vicinity of the Greenbelt Rd interchange...there's only about 400ft or so of the metal barrier shown in some of the TV photos.  So it's quite possible (and likely) that the driver who crossed over wound up doing so just north of where the median barrier ends.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 20, 2012, 11:55:12 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 20, 2012, 10:18:29 PM
The median barrier is only in the immediate vicinity of the Greenbelt Rd interchange...there's only about 400ft or so of the metal barrier shown in some of the TV photos.  So it's quite possible (and likely) that the driver who crossed over wound up doing so just north of where the median barrier ends.

Yeah, there are segments of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway that have no median barrier at all (not good, given that the posted limit is 55 MPH). 

The other possibility is that the driver going south in the northbound lanes entered wrong-way (in this case, it would have been at Powder Mill Road or perhaps Md. 197), though I have not heard anything to suggest that in media reports.  That would probably have resulted in calls to 911, which then would have needed to get transferred to the U.S. Park Police.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 21, 2012, 09:57:05 PM
Baltimore Sun: Banned Md. vanity plates include HEROIN; SUX2BU allowed (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-vanity-tags-20120521,0,3268796.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 26, 2012, 10:53:39 AM
Jones Falls Expressway fully open; repairs completed early (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-jfx-20120526,0,1848865.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 06, 2012, 08:14:03 PM
Baltimore Sun: I-895 bridge project to cause major delays - State urges motorists to use McHenry Tunnel, Key Bridge (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-harbor-tunnel-bridge-repairs-20120523,0,5962752.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 07, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
WTOP Radio: Md. planting 120,000 trees to filter highway runoff (http://www.wtop.com/654/2893728/Md-planting-120000-trees-to-filter-highway-runoff-)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 15, 2012, 01:42:13 PM
Baltimore Sun: Man charged with photographing children in rest stop bathrooms indicted federally (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-man-charged-with-photographing-children-in-rest-stop-bathrooms-indicted-federally-20120614,0,2217182.story)

QuoteA 28-year-old Pennsylvania man charged with taking pictures of children in bathroom rest stops along Interstate 95 in Maryland has been indicted by a federal grand jury and ordered detained by a judge in Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 15, 2012, 02:16:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 21, 2012, 09:57:05 PM
Baltimore Sun: Banned Md. vanity plates include HEROIN; SUX2BU allowed (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-vanity-tags-20120521,0,3268796.story)

Lou Reed weeps silently.

SUX 2B LU
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 15, 2012, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 15, 2012, 01:42:13 PM
Baltimore Sun: Man charged with photographing children in rest stop bathrooms indicted federally (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-man-charged-with-photographing-children-in-rest-stop-bathrooms-indicted-federally-20120614,0,2217182.story)

QuoteA 28-year-old Pennsylvania man charged with taking pictures of children in bathroom rest stops along Interstate 95 in Maryland has been indicted by a federal grand jury and ordered detained by a judge in Philadelphia.

a brief glance at that mug shot made me think the dude's name was "Barack M. JFK", which I wouldn't put past some of the more wacky ones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 17, 2012, 09:19:20 PM
There was another wrong-way fatal crash on a Maryland Interstate last week (earlier this year, there was one on "secret" I-595 (commonly known as U.S. 50).

Annapolis Capital: Wrong way fatal: 'There are so many unanswered questions' (http://www.capitalgazette.com/maryland_gazette/news/for_the_record/wrong-way-fatal-there-are-so-many-unanswered-questions/article_ae149896-f24c-58eb-bcb3-da61c0ff5ba2.html)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 17, 2012, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 15, 2012, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 15, 2012, 01:42:13 PM
Baltimore Sun: Man charged with photographing children in rest stop bathrooms indicted federally (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-man-charged-with-photographing-children-in-rest-stop-bathrooms-indicted-federally-20120614,0,2217182.story)

QuoteA 28-year-old Pennsylvania man charged with taking pictures of children in bathroom rest stops along Interstate 95 in Maryland has been indicted by a federal grand jury and ordered detained by a judge in Philadelphia.

a brief glance at that mug shot made me think the dude's name was "Barack M. JFK", which I wouldn't put past some of the more wacky ones.

He might well be better off being prosecuted in the aftermath of what he was charged with by the Maryland State Police in state court - instead of those federal charges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 18, 2012, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 17, 2012, 09:19:20 PMWrong way fatal: 'There are so many ways to ask "what the fuck is wrong with you people"'
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 18, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 18, 2012, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 17, 2012, 09:19:20 PMWrong way fatal: 'There are so many ways to ask "what the fuck is wrong with you people"'

I see you are posting from San Diego.

In spite of its many faults, one thing that Caltrans does right on its entire freeway network (at least the segments I have driven, and I have not driven every California freeway) is to thoroughly and consistently post those green FREEWAY ENTRANCE signs at all on-ramps, and, more importantly, it consistently signs all off-ramps to deter wrong-way entry.

Would that other states would do as well (Maryland does not, and its freeways are in better shape than some other states).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 18, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
still, though ... the logistics of entering a freeway the wrong way are quite impressive.  you go down a ramp and then you are suddenly expected to merge right ... and there's another carriageway to the right of you?

if this doesn't instantly feel viscerally wrong, you should not be driving.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 18, 2012, 04:32:42 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 18, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
still, though ... the logistics of entering a freeway the wrong way are quite impressive.  you go down a ramp and then you are suddenly expected to merge right ... and there's another carriageway to the right of you?

if this doesn't instantly feel viscerally wrong, you should not be driving.

Of course you are correct - but a driver under the influence of something (or just plain fatigued) - might not make draw the same (rational) conclusion that you did above - especially late at night with light traffic volumes, when these types of wrecks seem to happen.

In such instances, we might be preventing at least some wrong-way wrecks by using Caltrans-style signage (and arrows painted onto the pavement in the direction of legal travel) to deter wrong-way entry.  See Figure 28-18 (CA) in the California MUTCD.

Both Maryland and Virginia also use "plowable" recessed in-pavement reflectors (i don't know if Caltrans uses these), which are designed to return a red glow if a vehicle drives the wrong way down a one-way road (but many drivers may not be aware of this - and an impaired driver might not notice anyway).

Then there's the matter of driving on a high-speed one-way roadway and seeing something approaching at a high speed, and not moving out of the way. I don't mean to blame the not-at-fault victim, but by looking at the road ahead, it is possible to see a vehicle coming the wrong way (at least if it has its lights on), though the time to react (including pulling over to the right shoulder to get out of the way) may be small.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 18, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
Baltimore Sun: Gigantic cargo to stop traffic Wednesday on Bay, Key bridges (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-bridges-shut-20120618,0,1985701.story)

QuoteTraffic on the Bay and Key bridges will be temporarily stopped Wednesday afternoon as tugboats push a cargo ship carrying four massive cranes beneath the spans on the way to the port of Baltimore, the Maryland Transportation Authority said Monday.

QuoteCoast Guard and state transportation officials were concerned that motorists would become distracted by the sight of the 14-story-tall cranes approaching the bridges and stop to gawk or cause an accident. The cranes stand 178 feet high. The Bay Bridge clearance is 182 feet and the Key Bridge's is 185 feet, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 19, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 18, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
Baltimore Sun: people are fucking stupid (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-bridges-shut-20120618,0,1985701.story)

QuoteCoast Guard and state transportation officials were concerned that motorists would become distracted by the sight of the 14-story-tall cranes approaching the bridges and stop to gawk or cause an accident.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 19, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 19, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 18, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
Baltimore Sun: people are fucking stupid (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-bridges-shut-20120618,0,1985701.story)

QuoteCoast Guard and state transportation officials were concerned that motorists would become distracted by the sight of the 14-story-tall cranes approaching the bridges and stop to gawk or cause an accident.

In my opinion, rubbernecking (and I concede that is a stupid activity when behind the wheel of a motor vehicle) on either of these three spans (the Gov. William Preston Lane, Jr. Memorial Bridge, commonly called the "Bay" Bridge around the Chesapeake Bay is two suspension spans and the F. S. Key Bridge is a large continuous steel truss span) are real hazards, and temporary closures by the Maryland Transportation Authority are warranted. 

These bridges are long (the Bay Bridge (http://www.dcroads.net/crossings/bay-bridge/) is nearly 5 miles long and the F.S. Key Bridge (http://www.dcroads.net/crossings/key-MD/) about 1 1/2 miles), and there are no shoulders.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 19, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 19, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 18, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
Baltimore Sun: people are fucking stupid (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-bridges-shut-20120618,0,1985701.story)

QuoteCoast Guard and state transportation officials were concerned that motorists would become distracted by the sight of the 14-story-tall cranes approaching the bridges and stop to gawk or cause an accident.
You know what, though, this is one case where even I would rubberneck. I would almost aim to be stopped in traffic just to make sure I could see the cranes go by. (Actually, probably better vantage points from the shoreline, instead.) I have no problem with this.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 19, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
I have no problem with an intelligent observer deciding to sit down at a favorable vantage point.  but for the people who do not want to look, the road should remain open so that they may proceed at their convenience.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 19, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 19, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
I have no problem with an intelligent observer deciding to sit down at a favorable vantage point.  but for the people who do not want to look, the road should remain open so that they may proceed at their convenience.
If only all observers were intelligent.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on June 21, 2012, 10:58:34 PM
Regarding the "wrong-way drivers" discussion on Page 4:

I nearly had a head-on collision exiting I-75 in Venice, Florida, on Sunday. Took Exit 193 (Jacaranda Boulevard) and was coming down the ramp only to find an elderly couple coming the other way up the off-ramp. Scared the shit out of me, but thankfully it was a multiple-lane ramp and I was able to avoid them. Blasting the horn insanely and flashing my lights umpteen times failed to get his attention.....thankfully, I saw in the rearview that they suddenly came to their senses when the car behind us came right at them, as they cut a U-turn.

Obviously I didn't get to see where they were coming from to wind up on the ramp, but I noted that there was no shortage of "DO NOT ENTER" and "WRONG WAY" and "No Left/Right Turn" signs. We concluded that they were probably just oblivious elderly people and that it was very lucky they turned around when they did....traffic on I-75 was heavy enough, and fast enough, that a head-on wreck would have happened almost instantly since the road is under construction through there (widening project).

Problem is, when you already have so many signs up and people miss them, what else can you do? Maybe post another round of "DO NOT ENTER" signs further along the ramp where it "narrows" (from the wrong-way driver's perspective), perhaps with a new sign like "TURN AROUND NOW!!!!!"?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 21, 2012, 11:27:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 21, 2012, 10:58:34 PM

Problem is, when you already have so many signs up and people miss them, what else can you do? Maybe post another round of "DO NOT ENTER" signs further along the ramp where it "narrows" (from the wrong-way driver's perspective), perhaps with a new sign like "TURN AROUND NOW!!!!!"?
If there's one state that should use wrong-way spikes, it's Florida.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 22, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 21, 2012, 10:58:34 PM
Regarding the "wrong-way drivers" discussion on Page 4:

I nearly had a head-on collision exiting I-75 in Venice, Florida, on Sunday. Took Exit 193 (Jacaranda Boulevard) and was coming down the ramp only to find an elderly couple coming the other way up the off-ramp. Scared the shit out of me, but thankfully it was a multiple-lane ramp and I was able to avoid them. Blasting the horn insanely and flashing my lights umpteen times failed to get his attention.....thankfully, I saw in the rearview that they suddenly came to their senses when the car behind us came right at them, as they cut a U-turn.

Some years ago, I saw a "near miss" involving an older driver, who attempted to enter the southbound lanes (going north) of I-295 in the District of Columbia from Howard Road, S.E. She realized she was wrong before making it out to the mainline of I-295. Scary stuff.

QuoteObviously I didn't get to see where they were coming from to wind up on the ramp, but I noted that there was no shortage of "DO NOT ENTER" and "WRONG WAY" and "No Left/Right Turn" signs. We concluded that they were probably just oblivious elderly people and that it was very lucky they turned around when they did....traffic on I-75 was heavy enough, and fast enough, that a head-on wreck would have happened almost instantly since the road is under construction through there (widening project).

I have not been in Florida since the 1980's, so I do not know what their wrong-way deterrence signage looks like (especially as compared to California's, which (IMO) is the best).   

QuoteProblem is, when you already have so many signs up and people miss them, what else can you do? Maybe post another round of "DO NOT ENTER" signs further along the ramp where it "narrows" (from the wrong-way driver's perspective), perhaps with a new sign like "TURN AROUND NOW!!!!!"?

The Maryland Transportation Authority (MdTA) used to post (as a "second" assembly after the "DO NOT ENTER" signs near the end of the ramp), a combination of "STOP" signs and "WRONG WAY" on both sides of the ramp in the wrong-way direction.  I do not know if this was better or worse than other measures to stop wrong-way drivers, and I don't think I have seen such signage on Md. 200, the InterCounty Connector.  I've never seen such an assembly on Maryland highways maintained by the State Highway Administration.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 22, 2012, 05:41:59 PM
I have seen a photo from the 1960s taken in California that indeed showed a TURN AROUND NOW sign.  I believe it was white on red. 

no exclamation points, though.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 27, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
The Star Democrat, Easton, Md.: Deterioration closes Federalsburg bridge (http://www.stardem.com/news/local_news/article_e22c21e8-c007-11e1-b1b3-0019bb2963f4.html)

QuoteState Highway Administration officials abruptly closed around noon Tuesday the state Route 313 bridge over Marshyhope Creek in Federalsburg because of deterioration.

QuoteDavid Buck, a spokesman for SHA, said the bridge will most likely be closed until October. Until then, passenger cars and light trucks will be detoured through town, but large vehicles and tractor-trailers will be detoured to Hurlock, due to the sharp turns on narrow town streets, he said.

QuoteThe bridge is undergoing a $2.3 million renovation, including a fresh coat of paint and a new deck, or driving surface.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 27, 2012, 11:39:48 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 27, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
The Star Democrat, Easton, Md.: Deterioration closes Federalsburg bridge (http://www.stardem.com/news/local_news/article_e22c21e8-c007-11e1-b1b3-0019bb2963f4.html)

QuoteState Highway Administration officials abruptly closed around noon Tuesday the state Route 313 bridge over Marshyhope Creek in Federalsburg because of deterioration.

QuoteDavid Buck, a spokesman for SHA, said the bridge will most likely be closed until October. Until then, passenger cars and light trucks will be detoured through town, but large vehicles and tractor-trailers will be detoured to Hurlock, due to the sharp turns on narrow town streets, he said.

QuoteThe bridge is undergoing a $2.3 million renovation, including a fresh coat of paint and a new deck, or driving surface.

Wonder if that's the main creek to the south or one of the branches to the northwest? I thought the bypass would be new enough to avoid an issue like this.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 28, 2012, 06:22:04 AM
Quote from: Steve on June 27, 2012, 11:39:48 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 27, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
The Star Democrat, Easton, Md.: Deterioration closes Federalsburg bridge (http://www.stardem.com/news/local_news/article_e22c21e8-c007-11e1-b1b3-0019bb2963f4.html)

QuoteState Highway Administration officials abruptly closed around noon Tuesday the state Route 313 bridge over Marshyhope Creek in Federalsburg because of deterioration.

QuoteDavid Buck, a spokesman for SHA, said the bridge will most likely be closed until October. Until then, passenger cars and light trucks will be detoured through town, but large vehicles and tractor-trailers will be detoured to Hurlock, due to the sharp turns on narrow town streets, he said.

QuoteThe bridge is undergoing a $2.3 million renovation, including a fresh coat of paint and a new deck, or driving surface.

Wonder if that's the main creek to the south or one of the branches to the northwest? I thought the bypass would be new enough to avoid an issue like this.

The Federalsburg bypass was built in the late 1960s.  That is plenty old enough to need a project like this.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2012, 06:47:18 AM
Baltimore Sun: As speed cameras spread, so does vandalism of them (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/bs-md-ho-speed-camera-vandal-20120627,0,6406390.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 28, 2012, 07:52:21 AM
Quote from: Beltway on June 28, 2012, 06:22:04 AM
Quote from: Steve on June 27, 2012, 11:39:48 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 27, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
The Star Democrat, Easton, Md.: Deterioration closes Federalsburg bridge (http://www.stardem.com/news/local_news/article_e22c21e8-c007-11e1-b1b3-0019bb2963f4.html)

QuoteState Highway Administration officials abruptly closed around noon Tuesday the state Route 313 bridge over Marshyhope Creek in Federalsburg because of deterioration.

QuoteDavid Buck, a spokesman for SHA, said the bridge will most likely be closed until October. Until then, passenger cars and light trucks will be detoured through town, but large vehicles and tractor-trailers will be detoured to Hurlock, due to the sharp turns on narrow town streets, he said.

QuoteThe bridge is undergoing a $2.3 million renovation, including a fresh coat of paint and a new deck, or driving surface.

Wonder if that's the main creek to the south or one of the branches to the northwest? I thought the bypass would be new enough to avoid an issue like this.

The Federalsburg bypass was built in the late 1960s.  That is plenty old enough to need a project like this.
The word "deterioration" is sticking out at me. For a bridge that new, it tells me MdSHA really dropped the ball on maintenance.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 28, 2012, 12:07:59 PM
[[[The Federalsburg bypass was built in the late 1960s.  That is plenty old enough to need a project like this.]]]

<<<The word "deterioration" is sticking out at me. For a bridge that new, it tells me MdSHA really dropped the ball on maintenance.>>>

It is at least 45 years old.  That is plenty of time on a busy highway to need a $2.3 million redecking.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on June 28, 2012, 01:57:58 PM
Caught the fringe effects on June 20th of the northbound closure of I-83 at the PA line due to a tanker truck crash and rupture while working on getting flaroads I-83 clinched. We diverted at Exit 33 for locals roads east to MD-439 and Harford County, but not after 18 minutes to go one half mile.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/i-083_nb_exit_033_01.jpg)

NB Lanes I-83 from Maryland line to Shrewsbury Exit Reopen (http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-nb-lanes-i83-closed-from-maryland-line-to-shrewsbury-exit-20120620,0,6007113.story)

QuotePennsylvania State Police say that the northbound lanes of Interstate 83 from the Maryland line to the Shrewsbury exit in York County have been reopened to traffic. The highway was shutdown for about 90 minutes this afternoon while haz mat crews cleaned up an estimated 100 gallons of spill diesel fuel. A tractor trailer jack knifed and overturned rupturing its fuel tanks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 29, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: Beltway on June 28, 2012, 12:07:59 PM
[[[The Federalsburg bypass was built in the late 1960s.  That is plenty old enough to need a project like this.]]]

<<<The word "deterioration" is sticking out at me. For a bridge that new, it tells me MdSHA really dropped the ball on maintenance.>>>

It is at least 45 years old.  That is plenty of time on a busy highway to need a $2.3 million redecking.


Look, I'm not disagreeing with that at all. But usually, you get to the redecking before having to close the highway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 03, 2012, 06:13:59 PM
From the "shallow end of the gene pool" comes this report from the AP via WTOP Radio:
2 charged with stealing highway light pole (http://www.wtop.com/46/2929588/2-charged-with-stealing-highway-light-pole)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 05, 2012, 06:55:26 AM
Baltimore Sun: Bay Bridge closure policy criticized by those buffeted in storm (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-bay-bridge-accident-20120702,0,5489010.story)

QuoteMillions of people in the path of Friday's powerful storm knew what was coming and braced for the worst. Many hunkered down in their basements, warned by meteorologists who had tracked the storm over 600 miles as it gathered speed and strength and drew a bead on the Mid-Atlantic.

QuoteBut just outside Annapolis, the Maryland Transportation Authority never considered temporarily closing the Bay Bridge, because an instrument atop the bridge was recording winds around 30 mph in the minutes before the storm.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on July 05, 2012, 09:48:53 AM
It is older than I thought --

"The bridge was constructed in 1960 and the new deck replacement will add up to 40 years of life to the bridge. SHA awarded the project to JJID Inc of Bear, Del."

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: abc2VE on July 05, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 05, 2012, 06:55:26 AM
Baltimore Sun: Bay Bridge closure policy criticized by those buffeted in storm (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-bay-bridge-accident-20120702,0,5489010.story)

QuoteMillions of people in the path of Friday's powerful storm knew what was coming and braced for the worst. Many hunkered down in their basements, warned by meteorologists who had tracked the storm over 600 miles as it gathered speed and strength and drew a bead on the Mid-Atlantic.

QuoteBut just outside Annapolis, the Maryland Transportation Authority never considered temporarily closing the Bay Bridge, because an instrument atop the bridge was recording winds around 30 mph in the minutes before the storm.

This comment was in the WTOP article

"I opened my sunroof so that if I went over the side, I'd have a way to get out," Alessandro Vitale, a Baltimore restaurateur on his way to Ocean City, told the Sun.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2932052
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 08, 2012, 03:02:36 PM
Baltimore Sun: A big part of a federal worker's job is just getting there (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-federal-commute-20120708,0,1377460.story)

QuoteMany federal workers in and around Washington make their home in the Baltimore area, so when two of them get together at a party, they immediately begin swapping commuting strategies.

Quote"Invariably, the first question that I get when I say I commute to D.C. is 'Oh, do you take the train?'" said Elaine Papp, a Federal Hill resident who works for the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration in southeast Washington. "When I say, 'No,' then they say, 'How do you get there?'"

QuoteHow to get "there" is a question thousands of Marylanders must figure out. About 101,370 federal employees in Maryland commute to Washington, according to 2010 estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau. And around 17,465 of them live in Baltimore and the surrounding counties.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 10, 2012, 09:38:52 AM
Baltimore Sun: State works quickly to patch U.S. 50; work continues tonight (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-route50-buckle-20120709,0,3765487.story)

Drove past this location yesterday, and there was a pretty mighty "speed bump" in the eastbound lanes of the John Hanson Highway between Md. 197 and Md. 3/U.S. 301.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 10, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
Warning: Maryland's work zone speed cameras are creeping west.  For the first time, they will be west of the Baltimore-Washington-Frederick triangle.  There will be a work zone on I-70 west of Hagerstown for bridge widening.  The speed limit will be reduced to 55 MPH.

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/local/hm-i70-bridge-over-conococheague-creek-to-be-widened-20120701,0,7026825.story
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 10, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 10, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
Warning: Maryland's work zone speed cameras are creeping west.  For the first time, they will be west of the Baltimore-Washington-Frederick triangle.  There will be a work zone on I-70 west of Hagerstown for bridge widening.  The speed limit will be reduced to 55 MPH.

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/local/hm-i70-bridge-over-conococheague-creek-to-be-widened-20120701,0,7026825.story

So far, I have seen one as far west as Frederick County, in the (long) work zone on I-270 at Md. 80 (Urbana) and south of Urbana down to the Little Bennett Creek bridge.

As you correctly say, Washington County is a new frontier for automated speed enforcement in Maryland.

Edit: That bridge is at Bennett Creek, not Little Bennett Creek.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on July 11, 2012, 01:38:51 PM
After crashes, Md. town to deactivate 2 red light cameras (http://www.delawareonline.com/viewart/20120711/NEWS/120711009/After-crashes-Md-town-deactivate-2-red-light-cameras)

QuoteWestminster police will deactivate two of the remaining three red-light cameras in the city, citing more crashes caused by rear-end collisions than by running red lights.

The Common Council unanimously approved the measure on Monday. The camera at southbound Md. 97 and Nursery Road will remain in operation. Police Chief Jeffrey Spaulding says there has been an increase in the number of vehicles running red lights at that intersection.

In March 2010, five red light cameras were installed. After a one-year review, two were deactivated.

According to the Carroll County Times, the three cameras brought in $216,553 in revenue from fines. The program cost the city $137,831.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 11, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 10, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
So far, I have seen one as far west as Frederick County, in the (long) work zone on I-270 at Md. 80 (Urbana) and south of Urbana down to the Little Bennett Creek bridge.

There is also one on I-70 just east of I-270 in the Frederick area.  (They appear to be rebuilding a substandard interchange and probably widening I-70 to three lanes.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2012, 02:57:09 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 17, 2012, 09:19:20 PM
There was another wrong-way fatal crash on a Maryland Interstate last week (earlier this year, there was one on "secret" I-595 (commonly known as U.S. 50).

Annapolis Capital: Wrong way fatal: 'There are so many unanswered questions' (http://www.capitalgazette.com/maryland_gazette/news/for_the_record/wrong-way-fatal-there-are-so-many-unanswered-questions/article_ae149896-f24c-58eb-bcb3-da61c0ff5ba2.html)

Annapolis Capital: Police: Alcohol played role in fatal I-97 crash (http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/police-alcohol-played-role-in-fatal-i--crash/article_15baad99-931c-51c4-bc5c-370323c8c77f.html)

QuotePolice suspect a drunken motorist drove the wrong way on Interstate 97, getting on the highway via the Exit 10B off ramp at Benfield Boulevard – the second time this year that police think this happened.

QuoteMaryland State Police have confirmed that 24-year-old Kelley Whitt was under the influence of alcohol the morning of June 13 when she drove southbound on the northbound side of the expressway, killing an oncoming motorist, Jianguo Pan, two miles down I-97.

Quote"At this point, we have determined (alcohol) ... played a significant role in the crash, but we are still investigating,"  said state police spokesman Lt. Elena Russo.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2012, 03:08:33 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 11, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 10, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
So far, I have seen one as far west as Frederick County, in the (long) work zone on I-270 at Md. 80 (Urbana) and south of Urbana down to the Little Bennett Creek bridge.

There is also one on I-70 just east of I-270 in the Frederick area.  (They appear to be rebuilding a substandard interchange and probably widening I-70 to three lanes.)

Been by there several times in the past month, though I did not see the photo radar in operation (though there were plenty of signs warning of it).

The State Highway Administration is indeed finally reconstructing the last part of I-70 that was built years ago (maybe pre-Interstate) as the U.S. 40 Frederick Bypass, and the interchange at South Street was quite substandard (and there is an extra-heavy volume of dump trucks entering and exiting I-70 at South Street because of the Frederick Quarry, owned by Lafarge, located just south of the interchange).  I presume they are widening I-70 to 6 lanes as well, but I have not looked the project up to verify  that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MDRoads on July 15, 2012, 12:23:56 AM
There is a new 45 mph work zone camera on MD 43 at the I-95 ETL interchange, between Honeygo Blvd and MD 7.  Even as Westminster shuts off its MD 140@97 camera, Baltimore County just announced 3 or 4 new ones in school zones this week.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MDRoads on July 15, 2012, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2012, 03:08:33 PM
The State Highway Administration is indeed finally reconstructing the last part of I-70 that was built years ago (maybe pre-Interstate) as the U.S. 40 Frederick Bypass, .....

That part of I-70 was indeed pre-interstate, as part of the Frederick Bypass proposed as early as 1950, the southern part (south of Patrick St on each side) was completed by 1956.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 15, 2012, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: MDRoads on July 15, 2012, 12:23:56 AM
There is a new 45 mph work zone camera on MD 43 at the I-95 ETL interchange, between Honeygo Blvd and MD 7.  Even as Westminster shuts off its MD 140@97 camera, Baltimore County just announced 3 or 4 new ones in school zones this week.

That must be very new.  The last time I was down there the cameras were only on I-95 after MD 43.  Not sure that qualifies as "limited access" now given the temporary signals.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 22, 2012, 01:04:18 PM
On the way back from Chincoteague yesterday, the congestion heading across the Bay Bridge TO Delmarva was the worst I have ever seen.  (Bridge traffic was actually surprisingly fine for us heading back west...)

I've seen it backed up pretty far on occasion over the years, and will get pissed if things get thick before the Severn River bridge when I'm headed in that direction...

But yesterday (Saturday) it was a solid line of traffic from the bridge, not only to I-97, but the line started forming about three-quarters mile south of the MD-32 merge on I-97. (I can only imagine that US-50/301 had a queue a couple miles west of I-97 as well....) Didn't see any kind of accidents or incidents either... Driving past it all in the other direction, all I could think is "You poor bastards".

Maybe backups THAT immense happen more often than I realize, but I pray I never have a trip to the beach where I'm sitting in a ~15 mile long queue just to cross the bay.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 22, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 22, 2012, 01:04:18 PM
On the way back from Chincoteague yesterday, the congestion heading across the Bay Bridge TO Delmarva was the worst I have ever seen.  (Bridge traffic was actually surprisingly fine for us heading back west...)

I've seen it backed up pretty far on occasion over the years, and will get pissed if things get thick before the Severn River bridge when I'm headed in that direction...

But yesterday (Saturday) it was a solid line of traffic from the bridge, not only to I-97, but the line started forming about three-quarters mile south of the MD-32 merge on I-97. (I can only imagine that US-50/301 had a queue a couple miles west of I-97 as well....) Didn't see any kind of accidents or incidents either... Driving past it all in the other direction, all I could think is "You poor bastards".

Maybe backups THAT immense happen more often than I realize, but I pray I never have a trip to the beach where I'm sitting in a ~15 mile long queue just to cross the bay.

I heard it was terrible from several sources, though I did not have the pleasure of experiencing it myself.

Because of the rain (which persisted most of the day yesterday), MdTA may have limited eastbound traffic to the two lanes on the eastbound (original) span, which would make matters worse than normal.

I am old enough to remember the massive backups at the bridge prior to 1973, when there were only two lanes across the Bay.  In those days, bridge operators would sometimes run both lanes in one-way operation to clear some of the backup, especially westbound on Sundays, but also eastbound on some peak days.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 23, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 22, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
Because of the rain (which persisted most of the day yesterday), MdTA may have limited eastbound traffic to the two lanes on the eastbound (original) span, which would make matters worse than normal.

Yeah... we had all three lanes headed westbound on Saturday. It was actually the easiest trip westbound that I can remember on a weekend afternoon.
(The last few years it seemed that we always were crossing when we had just 2 lanes in the direction we were headed (coming & going).  In fact, that was even the case a month ago when I went down to Ocean City with my parents.)   I've always wondered what their criteria is for deciding what to with the "third lane" on weekends.

And yes, the weather was horrible on Saturday.  Overcast the whole way from Chincoteague to Pittsburgh, and some level of rain for at least 65-70 percent of the trip.

QuoteI am old enough to remember the massive backups at the bridge prior to 1973, when there were only two lanes across the Bay.  In those days, bridge operators would sometimes run both lanes in one-way operation to clear some of the backup, especially westbound on Sundays, but also eastbound on some peak days.

Damn...   Only one span... that's before my time... though I remember when US-50 wasn't limited access leading up to the bridge on the west side of the bay, and on Kent Island;  The old drawbridge on the other side of Kent Island (I remember sitting in some backups there); and also the 2 lane bridges @ Cambridge & Vienna.

Even if they can't get the money or local support for more limited access stretches, the signals between the 50/301 split & MD-404 (including MD-404) need to be converted to interchanges, at least.  But I digress.....
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on July 23, 2012, 05:34:15 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 23, 2012, 05:16:11 PM

Even if they can't get the money or local support for more limited access stretches, the signals between the 50/301 split & MD-404 (including MD-404) need to be converted to interchanges, at least.  But I digress.....

That has been planned for over 30 years, but not yet funded.  Widen to 6 lanes (3 each way) and convert to freeway with interchanges at the outlet stores, MD-213, and MD-404.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 24, 2012, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: Beltway on July 23, 2012, 05:34:15 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 23, 2012, 05:16:11 PM

Even if they can't get the money or local support for more limited access stretches, the signals between the 50/301 split & MD-404 (including MD-404) need to be converted to interchanges, at least.  But I digress.....

That has been planned for over 30 years, but not yet funded.  Widen to 6 lanes (3 each way) and convert to freeway with interchanges at the outlet stores, MD-213, and MD-404.

I know the SHA manager (now retired) that was in charge of planning and preliminary engineering for the upgrade of U.S. 50/U.S. 301 from the east landing of the William Preston Lane, Jr. [Bay] Bridge to Queenstown somewhat well.

He once remarked that he still had marks on his back from getting beaten-up by citizens and groups in Queen Anne's County that were opposed to the upgrade from a four-lane principal arterial to the 6 lane expressway configuration that is there today.

I don't know if there are similar objections to improving U.S. 50 from Queenstown to Md. 404 or not.  The population close to U.S. 50 is materially lower once past Queenstown.

Clearly an interchange at U.S. 50 and Md. 404 would be good in terms of safety and congestion relief, and not just during the summer beach season either.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 26, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
Washington Post (with aerial video): Beer truck spills cargo on I-270 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post_now/post/beer-truck-spills-cargo-on-i-270/2012/07/26/gJQADZU1AX_blog.html)

QuoteAn overturned beer truck wreaked havoc on Interstate 270 after spilling its load on the highway early Thursday.

QuoteAccording to police, the 18-wheel tractor-trailer was carrying cases of beer on I-270 North when it crashed near the Frederick County-Montgomery County border around 4 a.m.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 26, 2012, 03:35:01 PM
I'd like an update on the beer spill this afternoon given the hot weather–how much of a traffic jam will there be when people have to stop their cars to puke after being nauseated by the smell of all that cheap beer evaporating in the hot sun today? (I saw a report saying it was Budweiser.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 26, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 26, 2012, 03:35:01 PM
I'd like an update on the beer spill this afternoon given the hot weather–how much of a traffic jam will there be when people have to stop their cars to puke after being nauseated by the smell of all that cheap beer evaporating in the hot sun today? (I saw a report saying it was Budweiser.)

Yeah, Bud is about my least-favorite beer in the universe

And that segment of I-270, from Md. 121 (Clarksburg Road) all the way to just north of Md. 85 (Buckeystown Pike, former U.S. 15) was built as pre-Interstate U.S. 240 (and it shows in many ways, including its lack of capacity at four lanes total, and no climbing lanes on some pretty steep grades).  Wonder if its out-of-date design might have contributed to this crash?

If not for the possible environmental impact on the Little Bennett Creek (which flows under 270 at Md. 109 (Old Hundred Road)), it would make sense (to me) to just have a crew of Maryland convicts open all the cans and pour them out in the drainage ditch in the median of the freeway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 26, 2012, 08:44:42 PM
Wonder what they will do to stop westbound traffic, since there is no (apparently) simple way to do that without having police cars at that end of the crossing.

Baltimore Sun: Bay Bridge gets weather alert upgrade after violent storm - System allows authority to close bridge more quickly (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bridge-wind-20120726,0,2483506.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 27, 2012, 03:40:16 AM
Regarding the signals at 213 and 404, I went east a couple of Sundays ago, late morning, and noted that it was a pretty solid 3 mile westbound backup, starting from the signal at 213, and continuing through the 404 signal to about a mile and a half south of 404.  Surprisingly, there was no backup at the outlet mall signal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2012, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: froggie on July 27, 2012, 03:40:16 AM
Regarding the signals at 213 and 404, I went east a couple of Sundays ago, late morning, and noted that it was a pretty solid 3 mile westbound backup, starting from the signal at 213, and continuing through the 404 signal to about a mile and a half south of 404.  Surprisingly, there was no backup at the outlet mall signal.

Curious that the backup started at 213, when there is (relatively-speaking) little traffic entering westbound 50 there - and the green phase for the peak-flow direction on 50 is programmed to be extra-long.

I have encountered (at worst) a "rolling" backup from the signal at 404 all the way to the highest point of the Bay Bridge suspension span - after that, I don't think I have seen much of a backup westbound in years (with exceptions for wrecks or other incidents).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2012, 11:32:02 AM
Baltimore Sun: Planned road improvements in southern Arundel bemoaned as development threat - Highway officials propose Route 2 turn lanes for safety reasons (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-ar-rural-roads-20120726,0,5615493.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
<<< Curious that the backup started at 213, when there is (relatively-speaking) little traffic entering westbound 50 there - and the green phase for the peak-flow direction on 50 is programmed to be extra-long. >>>

The green phase is very long, but at peak summer times it is common for the intersection to fail, causing long backups on US-50, to where it can take 2 or 3 cycles for queued vehicles to reach the intersection.  Can happen in either direction when peak times in that direction.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 27, 2012, 01:00:40 PM
A summer or 2 ago, the queue (eastbound) from 404 backed up into 213.  From a distance @ 213, you'd see a green light, and wonder why traffic isn't moving, then you see it's just as bad on the other side of the light.  Quite frustrating.
Quote from: froggie on July 27, 2012, 03:40:16 AM
Surprisingly, there was no backup at the outlet mall signal.

I don't think I've dealt with a real backup there in years.

On a slightly related note, I noticed a bunch of materials for overhead sign structures (I'm assuming that's what they were) in a lot at the corner of 50/404.  They were there in mid-June when I went to Ocean City, and was hoping to see something new last week when I went to Chincoteague.  Alas, the sections were still just lying on the ground. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 02:47:54 PM
The US-50 intersections with MD-213 and MD-404, simply will fail during peak hours.  For the last 20 years, they have needed (at least) to be grade-separated interchanges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
The green phase is very long, but at peak summer times it is common for the intersection to fail, causing long backups on US-50, to where it can take 2 or 3 cycles for queued vehicles to reach the intersection.  Can happen in either direction when peak times in that direction.

Agreed.  The annoying thing about Md. 213 is that the traffic volume on it is low, but because traffic can be so heavy on U.S. 50, 213 traffic needs a signal there just to access the intersection!

Quote from: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 02:47:54 PM
The US-50 intersections with MD-213 and MD-404, simply will fail during peak hours.  For the last 20 years, they have needed (at least) to be grade-separated interchanges.

Also would be good for safety reasons.  Probably 404 (which carries much heavier traffic, plenty of it bound for Delaware) more than 213, but it would make little sense to do one and not the other.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 02:47:54 PM
The US-50 intersections with MD-213 and MD-404, simply will fail during peak hours.  For the last 20 years, they have needed (at least) to be grade-separated interchanges.

Also would be good for safety reasons.  Probably 404 (which carries much heavier traffic, plenty of it bound for Delaware) more than 213, but it would make little sense to do one and not the other.

The "at least" would be building the two interchanges on the existing 4-lane nonlimited-access highway.

There would be the option of upgrading the highway to limited access, and the option of adding one lane each way.

MSHA proposed doing all those in a study over 30 years ago, on the segment between US-301 and south of MD-404, upgrading the highway to a 6-lane freeway, with interchanges at the malls, MD-213, and MD-404.  That is how it is currently programmed in the Consolidated Transportation Program, but with funding only for engineering and right-of-way.  Traffic warrants it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 02:47:54 PM
The US-50 intersections with MD-213 and MD-404, simply will fail during peak hours.  For the last 20 years, they have needed (at least) to be grade-separated interchanges.

Also would be good for safety reasons.  Probably 404 (which carries much heavier traffic, plenty of it bound for Delaware) more than 213, but it would make little sense to do one and not the other.

The "at least" would be building the two interchanges on the existing 4-lane nonlimited-access highway.

Though there is still the problem of access to U.S. 50 from every other intersecting highway because of the heavy volumes of traffic on 50 (sometimes both ways).

QuoteThere would be the option of upgrading the highway to limited access, and the option of adding one lane each way.

MSHA proposed doing all those in a study over 30 years ago, on the segment between US-301 and south of MD-404, upgrading the highway to a 6-lane freeway, with interchanges at the malls, MD-213, and MD-404.  That is how it is currently programmed in the Consolidated Transportation Program, but with funding only for engineering and right-of-way.  Traffic warrants it.

There are a few homes and businesses that depend on direct access to U.S. 50 (and do not face any other roads), but I suppose that could be dealt with.  Though I don't know what would be done with access to St. Peter's Catholic Church (Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=queenstown+md&hl=en&ll=38.977798,-76.133516&spn=0.002381,0.003283&hnear=Queenstown,+Queen+Anne%27s,+Maryland&gl=us&t=h&z=18)), which stands hard by the westbound lanes of the highway (and has no other access to the highway network).

Published U.S. 50 2011 AADT is between 43,000 and 44,000 at Md. 213.  But that is no measure of the wild fluctuations in traffic that happen on this "seasonal" highway. 

And I personally know people that commute along this part of U.S. 50 every day to employment on the west side of the Bay Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on July 27, 2012, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
Though there is still the problem of access to U.S. 50 from every other intersecting highway because of the heavy volumes of traffic on 50 (sometimes both ways).

Service roads and overpasses would provide for circulation of local traffic and access to the interchanges.

Quote
There are a few homes and businesses that depend on direct access to U.S. 50 (and do not face any other roads), but I suppose that could be dealt with.  Though I don't know what would be done with access to St. Peter's Catholic Church (Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=queenstown+md&hl=en&ll=38.977798,-76.133516&spn=0.002381,0.003283&hnear=Queenstown,+Queen+Anne%27s,+Maryland&gl=us&t=h&z=18)), which stands hard by the westbound lanes of the highway (and has no other access to the highway network).

Several different methods were proposed, including service roads, and possibly bypassing that section with about 2 miles of new location US-50.  That section near the church also has issues with the degree of some of the vertical and horizontal curves.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 07, 2012, 10:56:45 AM
Washington Post: Walter Reed traffic study masks daily misery on the roads, experts say (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/walter-reed-traffic-study-refuted-by-daily-misery-on-the-roads-experts-say/2012/08/06/ce93981e-d687-11e1-a0cc-8954acd5f90c_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 08, 2012, 09:47:44 AM
Baltimore Sun: Wilson Bridge, 34 others being checked for possible structural defects (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-wilson-bridge-grout-20120808,0,6255924.story)

QuoteGrout used to protect steel support cables in the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, which carries Interstate 95 over the Potomac River, may be contaminated with an excessive level of chloride, a corroding substance known to accelerate rusting.

QuoteThe Federal Highway Administration warned 21 states – including Maryland –that as many as three dozen bridges were built with possibly defective grout manufactured in Ohio between November 2002 and March 2010.

QuoteChloride-contaminated grout was blamed in the collapse of a pedestrian walkway at Lowe's Motor Speedway in Concord, N.C. in 2000, injuring more than 100 fans.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 08, 2012, 02:09:30 PM
<<< Chloride-contaminated grout was blamed in the collapse of a pedestrian walkway at Lowe's Motor Speedway in Concord, N.C. in 2000, injuring more than 100 fans. >>>

I've seen the final report, and there was a serious blunder in the construction inspection with regard to very high content of corrosive chloride.

I highly doubt that WWB or any other bridge built since then has this problem. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 09, 2012, 10:40:06 AM
 Michael S. Rosenwald in the Washington Post: Md. town wants a stop sign camera (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/rosenwald-md/post/md-town-wants-a-stop-sign-camera/2012/08/08/c3b94548-e167-11e1-a25e-15067bb31849_blog.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 10, 2012, 07:15:13 AM
WBOC-TV (Channel 16): State Discussing Two-Way Barriers on The Bay Bridge (http://www.wboc.com/story/19239892/state-discussing-two-way-barriers-on-the-bay-bridge)

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority is considering placing safety barriers on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge when there is two-way traffic.

QuoteRoxanne Hollis of Centreville, Md. uses the bridge every week. She says, barriers between lanes would make people feel more comfortable.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2012, 11:05:07 PM
Had business on the Delmarva Peninsula today, and crossed the  William Preston Lane, Jr. (Bay) Bridge for the first time in quite a few months.

Was taken aback to see the massive scaffolding that the MdTA's painting contractor has erected all the way from the bottom of the suspension towers nearly all the way to the top of the west tower on the westbound (1972) span, and above the road deck on the east tower of the westbound span. 

I was not able to safely get any images (driving alone in busy Saturday traffic).

Reminds me a little of the scaffolding that was in place some years ago around the Washington Monument on the National Mall. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on August 25, 2012, 11:50:14 PM
Those weren't there a month or two ago.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 28, 2012, 11:56:24 AM
WMAR-TV (Channel 2): WB lanes of Bay Bridge closed after 'unusual movement' (http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/region/baltimore_county/wb-lanes-of-bay-bridge-closed-after-unusual-movement)

WTOP Radio:   Bay Bridge span closed after 'unusual' movement (http://www.wtop.com/46/3011130/Unusual-movement-closes-bridge-span)

Washington Post: Major delays at Chesapeake Bay Bridge as westbound span undergoes inspection (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/major-delays-at-chesapeake-bay-bridge-as-westbound-span-undergoes-inspection/2012/08/28/006cf0fa-f10f-11e1-a612-3cfc842a6d89_story.html)

EDIT:  Looks like things are back to normal now:
WJZ-TV (Channel 13): All Lanes Open On Westbound Span Of Bay Bridge After They Were Closed Due To Irregular Movement (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/08/28/westbound-span-of-bay-bridge-shut-down-to-irregular-movement/)

Baltimore Sun: Bay Bridge reopened after unscheduled inspection (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-traffic-0829-20120828,0,1234716.story)

Baltimore Sun: Tarpaulin system leads to Bay Bridge ordeal - Thousands delayed hours for emergency inspection (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bay-bridge-backup-20120828,0,2212163.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 05, 2012, 01:24:37 AM
"Unusual movement?" This "movement" wouldn't happened to have been triggered by the Virginia Earthquake from last year, was it?

:hmmm:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2012, 01:12:30 PM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland to expand Howard County rest area as safety measure - Along Interstate 95, truckers are scrambling for parking (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/bs-md-ho-truckstop-20120903,0,545105.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2012, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 05, 2012, 01:24:37 AM
"Unusual movement?" This "movement" wouldn't happened to have been triggered by the Virginia Earthquake from last year, was it?

:hmmm:

No, I think the "movement" was caused by a massive tarpaulin that was hanging from the scaffolding of the west suspension tower of the westbound (1972) span, and has now been removed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 06, 2012, 09:13:03 AM
Letter to the Editor (Baltimore Sun): Md. should devote its surplus to transportation (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-transportation-funding-20120905,0,6092473.story)

QuoteWith the announcement by Comptroller Peter Franchot last week that the state of Maryland has a $500 million surplus ("State budget surplus greater than expected," Sept. 1), AAA Mid-Atlantic is calling upon Gov. Martin O'Malley and Comptroller Franchot to work together on a plan to dedicate those funds to transportation and return them to the state's Transportation Trust Fund, which is used to fund Maryland's roads and mass transit projects.

QuoteWe have a terrible transportation funding crisis in the state that is so bad that the governor and the legislature impaneled a Blue Ribbon Commission on Transportation Funding to spend over a year examining the issues and make recommendations, which it did in its final report of November, 2011.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 08, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland House on I-95 to Close Sept. 15 for Reconstruction

http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2012, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 08, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland House on I-95 to Close Sept. 15 for Reconstruction

http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story)

That's the end of a (long) era, dating back to 1963. 

Maryland House has long been one of the busiest (and most-profitable) turnpike service plazas, probably because it is the last one on I-95 headed south, and the first one headed north.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mtantillo on September 08, 2012, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2012, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 08, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland House on I-95 to Close Sept. 15 for Reconstruction

http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story)

That's the end of a (long) era, dating back to 1963. 

Maryland House has long been one of the busiest (and most-profitable) turnpike service plazas, probably because it is the last one on I-95 headed south, and the first one headed north.

Yuck.  That means more people will be forced to use the Chesapeake House service area, which IMO is not nearly as nice a place to stop. 

Also, for me personally, this means there will be no good place for me to pull over to swap out my regular Virginia E-ZPass with my MD Hatem Bridge only E-ZPass tag between the Baltimore tunnels and the Susquehanna when heading north.  I suppose I can do it while I wait at the long light at MD 155/US 40. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on September 08, 2012, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: mtantillo on September 08, 2012, 06:46:48 PM
Also, for me personally, this means there will be no good place for me to pull over to swap out my regular Virginia E-ZPass with my MD Hatem Bridge only E-ZPass tag between the Baltimore tunnels and the Susquehanna when heading north.  I suppose I can do it while I wait at the long light at MD 155/US 40.

Can't do it on the fly? I've gotten pretty good at mounting/unmounting my radar detector when I cross the Virginia state line without stopping.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mtantillo on September 09, 2012, 12:05:16 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 08, 2012, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: mtantillo on September 08, 2012, 06:46:48 PM
Also, for me personally, this means there will be no good place for me to pull over to swap out my regular Virginia E-ZPass with my MD Hatem Bridge only E-ZPass tag between the Baltimore tunnels and the Susquehanna when heading north.  I suppose I can do it while I wait at the long light at MD 155/US 40.

Can't do it on the fly? I've gotten pretty good at mounting/unmounting my radar detector when I cross the Virginia state line without stopping.

Yeah, good point, H.B.  Its just annoying since I actually have to get the tags out of/into the read-protect bags. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 09, 2012, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 08, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland House on I-95 to Close Sept. 15 for Reconstruction

http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story)
Guess I can cross that off my list of places to stop.

:no:  :-(

I also saw the proposed replacement. It's going to suck.



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 09, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 09, 2012, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 08, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland House on I-95 to Close Sept. 15 for Reconstruction

http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story)
Guess I can cross that off my list of places to stop.

:no:  :-(

I also saw the proposed replacement. It's going to suck.

The Delaware Turnpike concession owner (HMSHost (f/k/a Host Marriott)) rebuilt the one service plaza on the Delaware Turnpike into a pretty nice area. 

But HMSHost (or whatever they are called now) lost the concession contract in Maryland to Areas USA, so we cannot draw conclusions from the Delaware plaza.

The MdTA's I-95 Travel Plazas (http://www.i95mdtravelplazas.com/) site has renderings of what the Maryland House and Chesapeake House service plazas will look like.  In my opinion, they look pretty nice.

I went up there before the storm yesterday and snapped some images of the Maryland House just before its closure for reconstruction, which I will post here within a few days.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 09, 2012, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 08, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland House on I-95 to Close Sept. 15 for Reconstruction

http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-maryland-house-closing-0907-20120906,0,6817819.story)

An article by the Sun's transportation beat reporter, Candy Thomson, on the same subject:

After nearly a half-century, Maryland House to close its doors - Two-year project will replace aging I-95 travel plazas with modern offerings (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-travel-plazas-change-20120905,0,7440107.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2012, 09:16:28 AM
I remember the old days when the Maryland House was a spiffy restaurant. I also remember the time my brother somehow managed to lose one of his stuffed animals there (presumably it fell out the car door when we were getting in or out and nobody noticed). The rest of THAT drive to New York was extremely unpleasant with him screaming and crying the whole way.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2012, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 10, 2012, 09:16:28 AM
I remember the old days when the Maryland House was a spiffy restaurant.
That has been a while!  The main eating place there for a lot of years leading up to today (dating back to when HMS was owned by the Marriotts) was Roy Rogers.  I suppose that the last Triggerburger (on I-95) will have been served when the place closes on the 15th.

For those who may be too young to recall when Roy Rogers (the actor) was alive, he had his horse Trigger stuffed and mounted when the beast galloped off to the afterlife.  The running joke at my alma mater (University of Maryland  at College Park, which once featured one of the largest (if not the largest) Roy Rogers in the universe) was that the burgers at Roy Rogers were made out of the late Trigger (though I have usually found the burgers at Roy Rogers (including those served at on-campus at Maryland) to be pretty good). Hence the Triggerburger.

Quote from: 1995hoo on September 10, 2012, 09:16:28 AM
I also remember the time my brother somehow managed to lose one of his stuffed animals there (presumably it fell out the car door when we were getting in or out and nobody noticed). The rest of THAT drive to New York was extremely unpleasant with him screaming and crying the whole way.
That sounds like a miserable trip.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2012, 10:37:31 AM
I'm going to have to remember that Triggerburger line. My wife is a huge fan of Roy Rogers the actor, and there also happens to be a Roy Rogers about two miles from our house and we eat there occasionally. I'm gonna have to use that line next time we go there.....though I might find myself sleeping on the couch that night.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 10, 2012, 10:37:31 AM
I'm going to have to remember that Triggerburger line. My wife is a huge fan of Roy Rogers the actor, and there also happens to be a Roy Rogers about two miles from our house and we eat there occasionally. I'm gonna have to use that line next time we go there.....though I might find myself sleeping on the couch that night.  :biggrin:

I never thought Roy Rogers himself was all that lovable of a guy, and if he really loved Trigger all that much, why didn't he give the horse a decent burial instead of taking his remains to the taxidermist?

I will go out of my way to stop for a Triggerburger if I am in the vicinity of a "surviving" Roy Rogers.  I sometimes visit the one near Fort Hunt Road and Belle View Boulevard in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County; or south of there at U.S. 1 (Richmond Highway) and Va. 235 (Mount Vernon Highway) in the Woodlawn section of Fairfax County; or the one on Md. 85 (Buckeystown Pike) north of I-270 in Frederick County.

The brand loyalty to Roy Rogers is pretty impressive.  Their outlets always seem to be busy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 10, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 09, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
The MdTA's I-95 Travel Plazas (http://www.i95mdtravelplazas.com/) site has renderings of what the Maryland House and Chesapeake House service plazas will look like.  In my opinion, they look pretty nice.
I know it tries to mimic the current structure and blend it with more modern features, but it lacks the genuine second floor used for tourist info. That's what bothers me about it more than anything else.


Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 09, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
I went up there before the storm yesterday and snapped some images of the Maryland House just before its closure for reconstruction, which I will post here within a few days.
I'm looking forward to that.



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on September 10, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
if he really loved Trigger all that much, why didn't he give the horse a decent burial instead of taking his remains to the taxidermist?
Because he doesn't share your superstitions.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on September 10, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2012, 10:11:06 AM
I suppose that the last Triggerburger (on I-95) will have been served when the place closes on the 15th.

There are still plenty of Roy Rogers left on the New Jersey Turnpike. Besides the one remaining stand alone location in Pine Beach, NJ, they are the only remaining locations left in NJ. They used to be a lot more common back in the 80s.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2012, 12:27:19 AM
Washington Post:  As toll cheating increases, Maryland does little to enforce rules (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/as-toll-cheating-increases-maryland-does-little-to-enforce-rules/2012/09/10/b2b0e19c-d1cd-11e1-a2ec-7d5ab0136ccb_story.html)

QuoteThousands of vehicles are repeatedly blowing through Maryland E-ZPass lanes without an ­E-ZPass transponder, and the state is doing little to collect the millions of dollars in unpaid tolls.

QuoteOne car-rental company owes the state nearly $209,000 in unpaid tolls and penalties despite having received nearly 7,000 letters over four years, according to state figures. Eight other rental companies owe between $80,000 and $200,000 each, with some violations dating back eight years.

QuoteIndividual vehicle owners aren't paying up, either. About 15,000 owe more than $500 each.

QuoteMore than a few might have caught on to the fact that the letters sent by the state are paper tigers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2012, 08:18:50 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on September 10, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2012, 10:11:06 AM
I suppose that the last Triggerburger (on I-95) will have been served when the place closes on the 15th.

There are still plenty of Roy Rogers left on the New Jersey Turnpike. Besides the one remaining stand alone location in Pine Beach, NJ, they are the only remaining locations left in NJ. They used to be a lot more common back in the 80s.

Yes, and I have stopped at some of them.  HMS (and Sunoco) remain the service plaza concessionaire for the New Jersey Turnpike, right?

HMS and Roy Rogers are separate corporate entities now, but they used to belong to Marriott before the Marriott family decided they wanted to concentrate on hotels and not eating establishments.

Is the brand loyalty to Roy Rogers as strong in New Jersey as it seems to be in Maryland and Virginia?  The people that own Roy Rogers are trying to grow the business (at least close to home in Frederick County, Maryland), and appear to be having some success 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2012, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 10, 2012, 10:37:31 AM
I'm going to have to remember that Triggerburger line. My wife is a huge fan of Roy Rogers the actor, and there also happens to be a Roy Rogers about two miles from our house and we eat there occasionally. I'm gonna have to use that line next time we go there.....though I might find myself sleeping on the couch that night.  :biggrin:

I never thought Roy Rogers himself was all that lovable of a guy, and if he really loved Trigger all that much, why didn't he give the horse a decent burial instead of taking his remains to the taxidermist?

I will go out of my way to stop for a Triggerburger if I am in the vicinity of a "surviving" Roy Rogers.  I sometimes visit the one near Fort Hunt Road and Belle View Boulevard in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County; or south of there at U.S. 1 (Richmond Highway) and Va. 235 (Mount Vernon Highway) in the Woodlawn section of Fairfax County; or the one on Md. 85 (Buckeystown Pike) north of I-270 in Frederick County.

The brand loyalty to Roy Rogers is pretty impressive.  Their outlets always seem to be busy.

The one we visit most often is the one in the Manchester Lakes shopping center, corner of Manchester Boulevard/Franconia—Springfield Parkway and Beulah Street (Manchester becomes the Parkway when it crosses Beulah). It's interesting, a Boardwalk Burgers and Fries opened up in the same strip mall and the Roy's is usually a lot more crowded. Boardwalk has better fries, Roy's has better burgers and more varied menu items.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2012, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 10, 2012, 10:37:31 AM
I'm going to have to remember that Triggerburger line. My wife is a huge fan of Roy Rogers the actor, and there also happens to be a Roy Rogers about two miles from our house and we eat there occasionally. I'm gonna have to use that line next time we go there.....though I might find myself sleeping on the couch that night.  :biggrin:

I never thought Roy Rogers himself was all that lovable of a guy, and if he really loved Trigger all that much, why didn't he give the horse a decent burial instead of taking his remains to the taxidermist?

I will go out of my way to stop for a Triggerburger if I am in the vicinity of a "surviving" Roy Rogers.  I sometimes visit the one near Fort Hunt Road and Belle View Boulevard in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County; or south of there at U.S. 1 (Richmond Highway) and Va. 235 (Mount Vernon Highway) in the Woodlawn section of Fairfax County; or the one on Md. 85 (Buckeystown Pike) north of I-270 in Frederick County.

The brand loyalty to Roy Rogers is pretty impressive.  Their outlets always seem to be busy.

The one we visit most often is the one in the Manchester Lakes shopping center, corner of Manchester Boulevard/Franconia—Springfield Parkway and Beulah Street (Manchester becomes the Parkway when it crosses Beulah). It's interesting, a Boardwalk Burgers and Fries opened up in the same strip mall and the Roy's is usually a lot more crowded. Boardwalk has better fries, Roy's has better burgers and more varied menu items.

Roy Rogers has good burgers (I categorize chicken sandwiches, Triggerburgers and sliced roast beef sandwiches as "burgers"), and usually excellent cole slaw.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 11, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
I went to Roy's frequently for lunch at Rockville's C0ngressional Plaza fromn 1986-1991, was always a big fan of the horseradish.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
One thing I've always liked at Roy's is that they don't schmeck up the burgers/sandwiches and instead offer the Fixins Bar–in other words, you get a plain sandwich and you can schmeck it up or not schmeck it up as you wish, as opposed to most fast-food places where they put a bunch of slop on the sandwich by default and you have to place a special order if you don't want all that stuff.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on September 11, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
I went to Roy's frequently for lunch at Rockville's C0ngressional Plaza fromn 1986-1991, was always a big fan of the horseradish.

I believe that location was once a Hot Shoppes Jr. location (Marriott's first attempt at fast food, before they "got it right" with the Roy Rogers concept).  Recall the Pappy Parker's fried chicken (not (IMO) as good as KFC)?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2012, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
One thing I've always liked at Roy's is that they don't schmeck up the burgers/sandwiches and instead offer the Fixins Bar–in other words, you get a plain sandwich and you can schmeck it up or not schmeck it up as you wish, as opposed to most fast-food places where they put a bunch of slop on the sandwich by default and you have to place a special order if you don't want all that stuff.

Absolutely correct. 

The probability of getting a hot burger at Roy Rogers was usually higher than most other fast food joints.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on September 11, 2012, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
One thing I've always liked at Roy's is that they don't schmeck up the burgers/sandwiches and instead offer the Fixins Bar–in other words, you get a plain sandwich and you can schmeck it up or not schmeck it up as you wish, as opposed to most fast-food places where they put a bunch of slop on the sandwich by default and you have to place a special order if you don't want all that stuff.

On a trip to the Paw Paw Tunnel in June, we stumbled across a Roy Rogers in Hagerstown and I had to stop. Had been years since I went to one and I had forgotten all about the Fixins Bar. Was very impressed with the quality of the burger I got and was more than happy to load up the fixings myself. The place was very busy but the service was decent.

Besides the usual Roy Rogers at Turnpike Service Areas, I remember eating at the Roy Rogers in Wilmington along Delaware Avenue (DE-52) at Dupont Street many times. It is a Boston Market now...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2012, 11:59:52 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 10, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 09, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
I went up there before the storm yesterday and snapped some images of the Maryland House just before its closure for reconstruction, which I will post here within a few days.
I'm looking forward to that.

See this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7633.0) for images (may be a little slow to load)!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 12, 2012, 11:19:04 AM
Baltimore Sun: City gets nearly $20 million from speed camera tickets, irritating critics - 83 cameras in Baltimore issue $40 fines (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-speed-cameras-20120911,0,91928.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 12, 2012, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 12, 2012, 11:19:04 AM
Baltimore Sun: City gets nearly $20 million from speed camera tickets, irritating critics - 83 cameras in Baltimore issue $40 fines (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-speed-cameras-20120911,0,91928.story)

Baltimore City Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake with a quick response, which the Sun promptly published:
Mayor says motorists to blame for high speed camera revenue - Tickets are a 'minor inconvenience' for speeders, Rawlings-Blake says (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bd-md-ci-speed-cameras-follow-20120912,0,4336637.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 13, 2012, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2012, 12:27:19 AM
Washington Post:  As toll cheating increases, Maryland does little to enforce rules (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/as-toll-cheating-increases-maryland-does-little-to-enforce-rules/2012/09/10/b2b0e19c-d1cd-11e1-a2ec-7d5ab0136ccb_story.html)

Maryland tolling agency, lawmakers pledge to go after toll cheaters (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/maryland-tolling-agency-lawmakers-vow-to-go-after-toll-cheats/2012/09/12/c793fef8-fcef-11e1-a31e-804fccb658f9_story.html)

QuoteMaryland's tolling agency is investigating whether it can publicize the names of the worst toll scofflaws in a "Hall of Shame"  and resume suspending the vehicle registrations of repeat offenders, the state's top tolling official said Wednesday.

QuoteThe chairman of a Maryland General Assembly transportation panel also said Wednesday that he will push legislation to target the thousands of motorists who are repeatedly blowing through E-ZPass lanes without a transponder and refusing to pay millions of dollars in unpaid tolls.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on September 13, 2012, 03:54:44 PM
Saw this article about a proposed change to the Virginia Avenue-Industrial Boulevard (MD 51) intersection in Cumberland. If I understand what they're describing, the proposal is to build something similar to a Michigan Left setup there, with the exception that Virginia Avenue would be one-way northbound, so southbound through traffic on Virginia Avenue would be forced to turn onto Industrial Boulevard, make a U-turn and then make a right turn to continue on Virginia Avenue.

Intersection plans discussed by city (http://times-news.com/local/x2056646628/Intersection-plans-discussed-by-city)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 17, 2012, 11:22:23 PM
Maryland House's historic art to be preserved, but won't return (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/neighborhoods/aberdeen/ph-ag-maryland-house-murals-0919-20120916,0,1102873.story)

QuoteThe Maryland House on I-95 near Aberdeen may be known more for its fast food and bevy of bathrooms than for fine artwork, but its murals portraying Maryland history, that have adorned the travel plaza for more than 40 years, have a significant history of their own.

QuoteWhen the Maryland House went into what will be at least a one-year hibernation this past weekend, so did the mural pieces done by artist William A. Smith that depict significant events in Maryland's history and have long hung around the building.

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority says it is working to ensure the mural panels will survive the plaza's demolition and reconstruction. They will not, however, be a part of the new Maryland House.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 26, 2012, 08:57:29 AM
Gazette papers: Montgomery to ask state to consider more HOV on I-270 (http://www.gazette.net/article/20120925/NEWS/709259986/1022/montgomery-to-ask-state-to-consider-more-hov-on-i-270&template=gazette)

QuoteExpanded High Occupancy Vehicle lanes on Interstate 270 could be a considered as a quick fix to slow Montgomery County traffic's crawl toward total gridlock.

QuoteMembers of the County Council's Transportation, Infrastructure, Energy and Environment committee asked council and executive staff on Sept. 20 to draft a letter to Maryland's State Highway Administration asking for detailed consideration of HOV and High Occupancy Toll (HOT) lane additions and expansions on I-270 between Clarksburg and the Interstate 370 exit, but also harping for SHA to finally craft a long-term solution to the corridor's congestion.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 02, 2012, 09:21:13 AM
Gazette papers: Maryland SHA study steers toward a safer Pennsylvania Avenue (http://www.gazette.net/article/20121002/NEWS/710029999/1124/maryland-sha-study-steers-toward-a-safer-pennsylvania-avenue&template=gazette)

This section of Md. 4 has had more than its fair share of motor vehicle vs. motor vehicle and motor vehicle vs. pedestrian and motor vehicle vs. bike crashes, more than a few deadly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 02, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
Washington Post: Immigrants learn the language of D.C. driving (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/immigrants-learn-the-language-of-dc-driving/2012/10/01/d91ef0ac-0112-11e2-9367-4e1bafb958db_story.html)

QuoteEvery day, just before dawn, you can spot Christian Kuete, a 24-year-old pre-med student and home health aide from Cameroon, sprinting in his beat-up sneakers to catch Metro Bus 20 as it bumps to a stop along University Boulevard in Langley Park. At 8 a.m., two more buses and two hours later, Kuete arrives at work. By dusk, he's back on mass transit, headed to his night classes at Montgomery College.

QuoteOn this sunny fall afternoon, however, he's trying to seize his piece of the American dream. Seize it by the steering wheel. Kuete is a student at the Riteway Driving School in Hyattsville, and his goal is to take its Toyota Corolla onto the open highway – the ultimate metaphor for American independence.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 03, 2012, 12:13:59 AM
Hatem Bridge Decals Expire (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-re-hatem-bridge-decals-20120925,0,6926072.story)

QuoteThe last day to use AVI decals for crossing the Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge into Cecil County is Sept. 30.

QuoteThose who still need to switch from the decal to the E-ZPass have two options.

QuoteDrivers who do not want to use their E-ZPass account at any other Maryland toll facilities can obtain a transponder with the Hatem Bridge-only plan.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2012, 09:33:59 AM
Baltimore Sun: Three finalists named for Baltimore speed cameras contract - City expects to take in $26M from cameras in next three years (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-speed-cameras-20121009,0,6977808.story)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
[Op-Ed regarding transportation funding in Maryland]  Transportation budget process: a tale of backlog and irony (http://articles.centermaryland.org/?p=4311)

QuoteLast month, state transportation officials began their annual series of meetings to explain to elected leaders in Baltimore City and the state's 23 counties what projects for their jurisdictions are included in the newly-drafted six-year capital budget for transportation.

QuoteThis is a yearly exercise that must be increasingly frustrating for both Maryland Department of Transportation officials and local leaders. It's also a process that produces a compelling irony.

QuoteFive meetings have been held so far, with three held this week in St. Mary's, Prince George's and Montgomery counties. In late September, meetings were held with officials in Caroline and Harford counties.

QuoteActing MDOT Secretary Darrell Mobley, who is leading the meetings around the state, is focusing on the transportation funding situation. Both federal and state revenues for transportation remain flat, so system maintenance and preservation is the first priority, he is reporting.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 11, 2012, 09:29:56 PM
State to roll out major BWI access improvement – at 4 mph - 'Bridges on wheels' will allow swift replacement at West Nursery Road and Parkway (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-bridge-on-wheels-20121001,0,6795085.story)

QuoteOver the last two weekends of October, highway crews will replace two bridges over the Baltimore-Washington Parkway that serve the airport and hotel district by rolling the old ones out and rolling the new ones in.

QuoteThe "bridge on wheels" swap, used in other states but making its debut in Maryland, saves time and money, reduces traffic disruptions and cuts the potential for work-zone accidents, State Highway Administration officials said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 18, 2012, 08:20:10 AM
I wonder how they managed to collide head-on - if memory serves me correctly, there are barriers to prevent "crossover" wrecks along all of I-83 in Maryland.

Baltimore Sun: I-83 southbound closed near Md.-Pa. line due to head-on truck crash (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-traffic-20121018,0,158609.story)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Some sleepy trucker may have used the exit ramp as an on-ramp at one of the northern MD interchanges.  A friend told me about a similar occurrence on I-75 north of Exit 156 on Pine or Jellico Mountain (cannot remember at the moment) in TN where a trucker, after resting or sleeping and still probably groggy, went down the SB exit ramp and had a head-on about 1/2 mile down the road.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 18, 2012, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Some sleepy trucker may have used the exit ramp as an on-ramp at one of the northern MD interchanges.  A friend told me about a similar occurrence on I-75 north of Exit 156 on Pine or Jellico Mountain (cannot remember at the moment) in TN where a trucker, after resting or sleeping and still probably groggy, went down the SB exit ramp and had a head-on about 1/2 mile down the road.

That could well be the unfortunate explanation. 

Just checked the Baltimore Sun's site for an update, and there is one here (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-co-truck-crash-20121018,0,5844276.story).

QuoteA deer darting across I-83 near Old York Road early Thursday caused a chain reaction crash that involved three tractor-trailers and halted traffic on the highway throughout the morning rush hour. All lanes were reopened by 9 a.m., according to Maryland State Police.

QuoteThe driver of a northbound tractor-trailer swerved to avoid the deer at about 3:30 a.m. He lost control of the semi rig, destroyed the guardrail and went through the median into the southbound lanes. There, he hit another tractor-trailer head-on. The driver of the southbound truck was trapped and had to be extricated.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 19, 2012, 08:00:02 AM
Maryland must be having a special on tractor-trailer wrecks this week.

WTOP Radio: 2 tractor-trailer accidents close Inner Loop (http://www.wtop.com/41/3084617/Inner-Loop-closed-after-2-tractor-trailer-accidents)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on October 19, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 18, 2012, 10:56:50 PM
QuoteA deer darting across I-83 near Old York Road early Thursday caused a chain reaction crash that involved three tractor-trailers and halted traffic on the highway throughout the morning rush hour. All lanes were reopened by 9 a.m., according to Maryland State Police.

QuoteThe driver of a northbound tractor-trailer swerved to avoid the deer at about 3:30 a.m. He lost control of the semi rig, destroyed the guardrail and went through the median into the southbound lanes. There, he hit another tractor-trailer head-on. The driver of the southbound truck was trapped and had to be extricated.

I hate deer. Although maybe it would have been better for the truck to just mow the deer down. It would certainly cause less damage to a big rig than it would to a passenger vehicle (says the guy who hit two deer in the span of three months earlier this year).

Cable barriers, and ofttimes (as this case illustrates) guardrail will not stop a tractor-trailer from crossing the median. It takes a concrete barrier in most cases.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on October 19, 2012, 11:33:13 AM
I hit a deer at 65 mph at the Turkeyfoot Rd. exit on I-275 in Northern Kentucky.  I hit its right rear leg and it took out my right front headlight and quarterpanel, which was about $2600 in damage.  Imagine hitting it full-on!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 20, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
I hate deer.
Too bad. Deer are tasty.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on October 20, 2012, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 20, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
I hate deer.
Too bad. Deer are tasty.

You should follow me around. If you know how to field dress one, you might get some fresh venison, given my luck lately.

I have eaten venison but am not a big fan of it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 20, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 20, 2012, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 20, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
I hate deer.
Too bad. Deer are tasty.

You should follow me around. If you know how to field dress one, you might get some fresh venison, given my luck lately.

I have eaten venison but am not a big fan of it.
I'm from the North. All I know is you take meat and cook it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 21, 2012, 10:55:57 PM
I drove up I-95 today from Baltimore and was surprised MDTA posted an advanced warning for the toll plaza 6 miles in advance, with the toll rates listed.  While the advance notice is appreciated, it seems a little far out.  Clearly there is no direct way to avoid the toll at that point (the Havre de Grace exit takes you to the Hatem Bridge or to US 1, which is way out).

On another positive, the Delaware tolls are no longer a surprise, as Maryland has posted "Last Exit Before Toll" on its new Exit 109 signs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 21, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 21, 2012, 10:55:57 PM
On another positive, the Delaware tolls are no longer a surprise, as Maryland has posted "Last Exit Before Toll" on its new Exit 109 signs.

I have  a few images of that, which I will post at some point. 

At the time, there were no signs warning entering drivers from Md. 279 to go north on I-95, but I think MdTA may be in the process of replacing the BGS panels on 279, and presumably the new ones will have the appropriate warnings.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 21, 2012, 11:02:31 PM
Washington Post: Street racing suspected in injury, death in Prince George's (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/street-racing-suspected-in-injury-death-in-prince-georges/2012/10/21/071e3332-1be9-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2012, 05:22:35 PM
WBAL Radio: Bay Bridge Closed Due To HAZMAT (http://www.wbal.com/article/94954/21/template-story/Update-Bay-Bridge-Closed-Due-To-HAZMAT)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
[IMO, the only good deer is a dead deer]

Baltimore Sun: Highway agency composting program makes the best of a bad situation - Deer struck by vehicles become nourishment for state beautification efforts (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-highway-deer-20121022,0,5637305.story)

QuoteAt this time of year, it is an unfortunate fact of nature that a deer in the headlights often becomes a highway casualty.

QuoteWhat happens afterward is a story of renewal involving wood chips, horse manure and state workers, like Tyrone Henderson, with cast-iron constitutions.

QuoteEvery day, Henderson hoists himself into a massive yellow dump truck and checks his list before rolling out of the State Highway Administration's Sykesville garage. He is a man on a mission; or, as he likes to say, it's "time to find the stinkees."



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 30, 2012, 01:26:10 PM
WTOP Radio: Westbound I-68 reopens in western Maryland (http://www.wtop.com/46/3098992/Eastbound-I-68-reopens-in-Western-Maryland)

QuoteOAKLAND, Md. - The Maryland State Highway Administration says westbound lanes of Interstate 68 in far western Maryland have reopened after a 40-mile stretch was closed due to snow-related problems.

QuoteThe westbound lanes reopened shortly after 11 a.m. Tuesday. Those lanes were closed for about 11 hours overnight and into the morning.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 30, 2012, 04:09:41 PM
Baltimore Sun: Transportation creeps back after Sandy slams area (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-hurricane-transportation-20121030,0,3374721.story)

QuoteFor the second consecutive year, transportation crews got their winter tune-up before Halloween, battling blinding rain and high winds as well as slick roads and whiteout conditions.

QuoteAt the height of the storm overnight, 132 state roads were closed and 111 signals were dark, according to the State Highway Administration. As snow piled up at more than an inch an hour in Western Maryland, Interstate 68 was closed as trucks with snowblower attachments and a "towplow," a double-wide snowplow, cleared the way.

Quote"We were prepared," said Melinda Peters, SHA administrator. "We had the right assets in the right location to succeed."

QuoteLittle by little, the transportation system is returning to normal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 03, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
Baltimore Sun: Baltimore-Washington Parkway to close again Sat. night (http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/commuting/bs-md-sha-bridge-20121103,0,2127067.story)

QuoteAfter some trouble on the first attempt, the State Highway Administration removed the 300-ton West Nursery Road bridge over the northbound lanes of Baltimore-Washington Parkway overnight and reopened the road early Saturday.

QuoteCrews used hydraulic equipment to lift the bridge deck out of place, after an attempt two weeks ago that failed when the load shifted and the Highway Administration had to assemble a massive crane on the parkway to lift the deck back into place.

QuoteThe parkway reopened at 7:30 a.m. after the bridge was carried several hundred feet north on the parkway, also called Route 295, and dropped off in the median. It will be demolished and turned into scrap this week, said Melinda B. Peters, highway administrator.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on November 09, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 10, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
Warning: Maryland's work zone speed cameras are creeping west.  For the first time, they will be west of the Baltimore-Washington-Frederick triangle.  There will be a work zone on I-70 west of Hagerstown for bridge widening.  The speed limit will be reduced to 55 MPH.

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/local/hm-i70-bridge-over-conococheague-creek-to-be-widened-20120701,0,7026825.story

The DOT just put out a press release announcing the start of camera enforcement.  There will be two work zones within a mile of each other that will use the cameras.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on November 09, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 09, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 10, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
Warning: Maryland's work zone speed cameras are creeping west.  For the first time, they will be west of the Baltimore-Washington-Frederick triangle.  There will be a work zone on I-70 west of Hagerstown for bridge widening.  The speed limit will be reduced to 55 MPH.

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/local/hm-i70-bridge-over-conococheague-creek-to-be-widened-20120701,0,7026825.story

The DOT just put out a press release announcing the start of camera enforcement.  There will be two work zones within a mile of each other that will use the cameras.

Remind me to obscure my license plate if I use that route going to or from the Doylestown meet.  :sombrero:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on November 09, 2012, 11:34:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 09, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 09, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 10, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
Warning: Maryland's work zone speed cameras are creeping west.  For the first time, they will be west of the Baltimore-Washington-Frederick triangle.  There will be a work zone on I-70 west of Hagerstown for bridge widening.  The speed limit will be reduced to 55 MPH.

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/local/hm-i70-bridge-over-conococheague-creek-to-be-widened-20120701,0,7026825.story

The DOT just put out a press release announcing the start of camera enforcement.  There will be two work zones within a mile of each other that will use the cameras.

Remind me to obscure my license plate if I use that route going to or from the Doylestown meet.  :sombrero:

If you're going in the next 3 weeks, they're just handing out warnings.  I believe tickets start the 28th.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2012, 01:47:59 PM
Gazette.net: Outlook bleak for Maryland transportation funding, analysts say - Budget analysts push alternate transportation revenue sources (http://www.gazette.net/article/20121113/NEWS/711139938/1007/outlook-bleak-for-maryland-transportation-funding-analysts-say&template=gazette)

QuoteState budget analysts painted a bleak picture of Maryland transportation funding, warning lawmakers in Annapolis Tuesday that alternate revenue sources should be considered to fund major transit projects.

QuoteAnalysts from the Department of Legislative Services told members of the joint Spending Affordability Committee that projections in the special fund transportion program for fiscal 2013-2018 from the state Department of Transportation may be overstated.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 16, 2012, 02:44:50 PM
Washington  Post: Montgomery County considers giving more of the road to buses (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/montgomery-county-considers-giving-more-of-the-road-to-buses/2012/11/11/c4a1eeec-2906-11e2-b4e0-346287b7e56c_story.html)

QuoteMontgomery County planners have proposed converting some lanes on the county's busiest roads to buses-only. Eager to avoid widening roads, the planners say bus-only lanes would be a faster and more affordable way to improve transit and limit growing traffic congestion.

QuoteThe idea of taking asphalt from private vehicles in one of the country's most traffic-clogged regions is likely to draw protests from some motorists. But Larry Cole, a Montgomery transportation planner, said the county's continued population growth will require persuading more people to forgo the convenience of driving by making buses faster and more reliable – even if that means motorists get less room on the road.

And two Letters to the Editor in response to the above:

The good and bad of bus lanes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-good-and-bad-of-bus-lanes/2012/11/15/2e4f94ae-2d1a-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html)

Letter from Gabriel Roth (I know Gabriel):

QuoteIt is good to know that Montgomery County's planners recognize the importance of buses, but bus-only lanes are a bad idea. Implementation of this proposal would result in a huge waste of scarce road capacity.

QuoteThe proposition that "one transit vehicle would take up to 72 cars off the road"  is fantasy – a triumph of hope over experience. Travelers do indeed seek to save time, but the travel times they value are total trip times, from starts to destinations, which would be little affected by speeding up buses on a few main roads.

Letter from Howard Weir:

QuoteIt is heartening to see conversations about adding dedicated bus lanes in Montgomery County. A stronger commitment to public transportation is the only way to combat the ever-worsening traffic that plagues the region. But I was dismayed that the article did not mention the environmental benefits of removing so many cars from the road. Carbon dioxide is being released into our atmosphere at an alarming rate, and yet, even in the wake of dramatic climactic events such as Hurricane Sandy, scant attention is being paid to climate change.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 16, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
I posted this in the Northern Virginia HOT Lanes (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7481.msg185053#msg185053) thread, but is relevant to Maryland as well.

QuoteNBC4 TV: Envy in Maryland Over 495 Express Lanes (http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Envy-in-Maryland-Over-495-Express-Lanes-179658781.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: oscar on November 16, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 16, 2012, 02:44:50 PM
Washington  Post: Montgomery County considers giving more of the road to buses (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/montgomery-county-considers-giving-more-of-the-road-to-buses/2012/11/11/c4a1eeec-2906-11e2-b4e0-346287b7e56c_story.html)

QuoteMontgomery County planners have proposed converting some lanes on the county's busiest roads to buses-only. Eager to avoid widening roads, the planners say bus-only lanes would be a faster and more affordable way to improve transit and limit growing traffic congestion.

QuoteThe idea of taking asphalt from private vehicles in one of the country's most traffic-clogged regions is likely to draw protests from some motorists. But Larry Cole, a Montgomery transportation planner, said the county's continued population growth will require persuading more people to forgo the convenience of driving by making buses faster and more reliable – even if that means motorists get less room on the road.

That reminds me of Virginia's first attempt to establish HOV lanes on the Dulles Toll Road, by converting one of the three existing through lanes in each direction to HOV-only (in rush hour) use.  The blowback from motorists was fierce, they complained that three general-purpose lanes in each direction was barely adequate, and only two would be grossly inadequate.  VDOT (which then ran the toll road) pulled back, and built a fourth lane in each direction reserved from the outset for HOV.

Something like that happened with I-270 in Maryland, which got HOV lanes only when the freeway was widened, and I think also on US 50 between the Beltway and Bowie.  One nice thing about doing it that way is that it gives motorists time to change their travel patterns to take advantage of the new lanes, and gradually shift as general-purpose lane congestion increases, rather than expect motorists to change abruptly as existing lanes are taken away from them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 16, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
DC constantly tries taking away existing lanes. The bus lanes on 7th and 9th Streets NW are a good example. Everyone (myself included) ignores those restrictions because otherwise you can't get anywhere. The problem is that DC refuses to enforce other traffic laws in their eagerness to make driving as miserable as possible. So on 9th Street, for example, there are supposed to be two lanes plus a bus lane, but the left lane of the two is always blocked by double-parkers and by the valet parker at Zaytinya. If you obey the bus lane, it means you effectively have a single lane where there used to be three. Fuck that! On 7th Street, the problem is that left turns are allowed but there are no left-turn lanes. So you either go around people using the bus lane or you get stuck. Hopefully Montgomery County will have better sense than to attempt to do it the way DC does. Reducing traffic capacity for a bus lane is a recipe for a driver revolt. (If you take away a lane of parking, and strictly enforce the no-parking rule with bollards or some such while maintaining the same number of lanes for traffic, that's a totally different story. But I doubt that's what Montgomery County has in mind.)

I think the biggest two problems with buses are not a lack of dedicated lanes but rather a lack of frequent service and the unreliability of the Metrorail in getting people to the bus. The Fairfax Connector bus that stops half a mile from my house generally runs once an hour. If there's a problem on the Metrorail, it means you're stuck either waiting an hour or paying for a cab (assuming you don't have some other way home). That's simply not a wager most people are willing to make, and I can't blame them. The other thing that has to be remembered is that in the downtown white-collar business community a LOT of people cannot necessarily rely on always leaving at the same time every night, and they often won't know in advance when they might get stuck at the office. Taking a bus is a lot more problematic when you can't plan on keeping to a fixed work schedule. I think a lot of the transitphiles and the anti-car crowd tend to overlook such issues.

Don't get me wrong, I love having that Fairfax Connector bus as an option when I've needed it (usually when I've taken my 1988 RX-7 to the mechanic in Arlington and he has to keep it overnight while he obtains parts). But I view it as just that–a backup option in a pinch. It would never be my primary mode of transportation unless my circumstances change DRASTICALLY. I think the same is true for a lot of other people.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 16, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: oscar on November 16, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
That reminds me of Virginia's first attempt to establish HOV lanes on the Dulles Toll Road, by converting one of the three existing through lanes in each direction to HOV-only (in rush hour) use.  The blowback from motorists was fierce, they complained that three general-purpose lanes in each direction was barely adequate, and only two would be grossly inadequate.  VDOT (which then ran the toll road) pulled back, and built a fourth lane in each direction reserved from the outset for HOV.

It was a little more complicated than that.  The original Dulles Toll Road (Va. 267) was two lanes in each direction, and allowed local traffic to use this high-speed corridor.  The lanes quickly filled with traffic, and in the late 1980's and early 1990's, VDOT was looking to expand the HOV network in Northern Virginia.  So a third (HOV) lane was added in each direction on the Toll Road, with plans to start HOV operation in September of the early 1990's (might have been 1992 or 1993).  But as the pavement was completed during the summer, the lanes were opened to all traffic in parts, even though they were built with the assumption that they would be HOV-restricted in the peak-flow directions.  So when the formal opening came in September, motorists in the corridor were very angry when the HOV enforcement started, and that was the end of HOV at that point.

As you correctly mention, a fourth lane was then added in each direction, and those lanes became the  HOV lanes that are there today.

Quote from: oscar on November 16, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
Something like that happened with I-270 in Maryland, which got HOV lanes only when the freeway was widened, and I think also on US 50 between the Beltway and Bowie.  One nice thing about doing it that way is that it gives motorists time to change their travel patterns to take advantage of the new lanes, and gradually shift as general-purpose lane congestion increases, rather than expect motorists to change abruptly as existing lanes are taken away from them.

The HOV lanes on I-270 have a slightly different story. When the corridor was reconstructed to the "Express" and "Local" [Collector-Distributor] lanes in the late 1980's and early 1990's, the left Express lane of the reconstructed freeway was signed as "FUTURE HOV." 

But HOV did not start until 1992 or 1993, when the short section of I-270 between the Tuckerman Lane underpass, Md. 187 (Old Georgetown Road) and I-495 was widened to two general-purpose lanes and one HOV lane.  At that point, the HOV restriction was extended north to the left lane of the southbound Express roadway from I-370, and the left lane of the northbound Express roadway as far as Md. 124, and then on to Md. 121, leading to the "unbalanced" HOV lanes that are there to this very day.  The I-270 Spur [I-270Y] was widened to add a peak-flow HOV lane as well, from Tuckerman Lane south past Democracy Boulevard to I-495 near the Bradley Boulevard overpass, putting in place decently long HOV lanes, and an HOV-only ramp was later added on I-270Y at Westlake Drive.

I have been told that there was so much growth in SOV traffic (as a result of development in Germantown and Clarksburg and probably in Frederick County, Maryland) which resulted in MDOT and SHA deciding not to impose HOV restrictions on the southbound  side of I-270 between Md. 121 and I-370.

The HOV lanes on the John Hanson Highway (U.S. 50) were originally planned to be Maryland's first HOV/Toll lanes in the mid-1990's.  But then-Gov. Parris Glendening decided he did not like priced lanes, so they became HOV lanes instead.  Unlike all other HOV lanes in Maryland and Virginia, these lanes (which run from the U.S. 50/Md. 3/U.S. 301 interchange in Bowie to just before the U.S. 50/I-95/I-495 interchange near New Carrollton) have always had HOV-2 restrictions 24/7.   
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 16, 2012, 08:23:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 16, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
DC constantly tries taking away existing lanes. The bus lanes on 7th and 9th Streets NW are a good example. Everyone (myself included) ignores those restrictions because otherwise you can't get anywhere.

Before the Metrorail system opened, D.C. has many long segments of streets where the right-hand (curb) lane was for buses only.  But the municipal police department of the District of Columbia was never very interested in enforcing those restrictions, and most of them slowly withered away, especially as the Metrorail system grew, and rail replaced bus travel along many of the heavy bus corridors in the city.

The HOV-2 lanes on Washington Street (Va. 400) in the City of Alexandria have a "look and feel" that is similar to the old bus-only curb lanes in D.C., even though the D.C. bus lanes were for buses and right turns only. 

There was at one (fairly recent) time a remnant of signage and markings along M Street, S.W. between 6th Street and South Capitol Street.

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 16, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
The problem is that DC refuses to enforce other traffic laws in their eagerness to make driving as miserable as possible. So on 9th Street, for example, there are supposed to be two lanes plus a bus lane, but the left lane of the two is always blocked by double-parkers and by the valet parker at Zaytinya. If you obey the bus lane, it means you effectively have a single lane where there used to be three. Fuck that! On 7th Street, the problem is that left turns are allowed but there are no left-turn lanes. So you either go around people using the bus lane or you get stuck.

I try hard to avoid that part of D.C. if at all possible. 

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 16, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
Hopefully Montgomery County will have better sense than to attempt to do it the way DC does. Reducing traffic capacity for a bus lane is a recipe for a driver revolt. (If you take away a lane of parking, and strictly enforce the no-parking rule with bollards or some such while maintaining the same number of lanes for traffic, that's a totally different story. But I doubt that's what Montgomery County has in mind.)

Montgomery County has proposed taking lanes from its own (county-maintained) roads as well as state-maintained (numbered) roads.  In spite of some of the rhetoric, I speculate that the Maryland Department of Transportation is not going to permit something like this to happen on any of the state roads.  So the county will need to do this on one or more of the roads that are under its control, such as Montrose Road/Randolph Road/Cherry Hill Road (east of U.S. 29, Randolph Road becomes Cherry Hill Road, where it continues to the east and south, ultimately reaching the City of College Park in Prince George's County).

That way, accountability is on the county and its elected officials.

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 16, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
I think the biggest two problems with buses are not a lack of dedicated lanes but rather a lack of frequent service and the unreliability of the Metrorail in getting people to the bus. The Fairfax Connector bus that stops half a mile from my house generally runs once an hour. If there's a problem on the Metrorail, it means you're stuck either waiting an hour or paying for a cab (assuming you don't have some other way home). That's simply not a wager most people are willing to make, and I can't blame them. The other thing that has to be remembered is that in the downtown white-collar business community a LOT of people cannot necessarily rely on always leaving at the same time every night, and they often won't know in advance when they might get stuck at the office. Taking a bus is a lot more problematic when you can't plan on keeping to a fixed work schedule. I think a lot of the transitphiles and the anti-car crowd tend to overlook such issues.

Many planners still want to assume that Metrorail is the ultra-reliable, new system that it was in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  It's not.   

You are correct about the limitations of transit, especially in suburban areas.  That's something else that too many planners want to dance around.

Dedicated lanes would make transit service more reliable, but at what cost?  More than government can afford!  Much better to do as Gabriel Roth suggested in his Letter to the Editor (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-good-and-bad-of-bus-lanes/2012/11/15/2e4f94ae-2d1a-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html) (and is being done right now on Md. 200 and will be happening on the I-495 Express Lanes in the very near future) - price lanes (which are then open to any vehicle wanting to pay that price for free-flow traffic), and allow the buses to use those lanes to provide a fast and reliable trip to their customers.

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 16, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love having that Fairfax Connector bus as an option when I've needed it (usually when I've taken my 1988 RX-7 to the mechanic in Arlington and he has to keep it overnight while he obtains parts). But I view it as just that–a backup option in a pinch. It would never be my primary mode of transportation unless my circumstances change DRASTICALLY. I think the same is true for a lot of other people.

That is precisely how many people in suburban (and urban) areas view transit.   Or they never, ever use it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 18, 2012, 07:49:13 AM
Baltimore Sun:  City's lucrative speed camera program dogged by problems - Tickets cost drivers millions of dollars, but questions surround the effectiveness — and the evidence (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-speed-cameras-mainbar-20121117,0,4657438.story)

QuoteThe tractor-trailer hit 70 mph as it passed the Poly-Western high school campus on Cold Spring Lane, barreling down a turn lane at twice the legal speed limit. Or so the $40 citation claimed. Just before Falls Road, a pole-mounted speed camera clocked the truck with radar and snapped some pictures. A ticket soon went out in the mail.

QuoteOn paper it seemed like just the kind of blatant, dangerous school-zone speeding violation that the ubiquitous enforcement cameras are designed to catch and deter.

QuoteExcept the truck wasn't going 70 mph that September morning – or even fast enough to get a ticket, The Baltimore Sun determined after examining the camera's time-stamped photos and measuring how far the vehicle traveled. Simple math proves the automated camera was off the mark.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 19, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
WTOP Radio: Speed cameras vandalized in Silver Spring (http://www.wtop.com/52/3125649/Speed-cameras-vandalized-in-Silver-Spring)

QuoteSpeed enforcement cameras in Silver Spring were targeted by vandals over the weekend, but it wasn't long before technicians had the high-tech devices busting speeders again.

QuoteMontgomery County police say the vandals attacked three portable speed cameras on 16th Street early Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 19, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Center Maryland: State funding for new roads approaching zero (http://articles.centermaryland.org/?p=4377)

QuoteLast Tuesday when Warren Deschenaux, Maryland's top government policy and budget analyst, told lawmakers that the state was running out of money for new transportation projects, it might have seemed like an overly dire warning to some.

QuoteBut to anyone who has been paying close attention to our state's escalating transportation funding crisis, it was hardly a surprise.

QuoteDeschenaux's warning to members of the Maryland General Assembly's Spending Affordability Committee quantified the looming inevitability to be derived from decades of stagnating state transportation revenue by forecasting a hard number to swallow — zero.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 23, 2012, 02:04:59 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 21, 2012, 10:55:57 PM
On another positive, the Delaware tolls are no longer a surprise, as Maryland has posted "Last Exit Before Toll" on its new Exit 109 signs.

Indeed they have.  I wonder if it was motivated (at least in  part) by the reconstructed Delaware Turnpike toll plaza, with the high-speed E-ZPass lanes in the middle - see the second image below?

Here are some images from September 2012:

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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on November 24, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
Shouldn't the exit tab read EXITS 109A-B?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: deathtopumpkins on November 25, 2012, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on November 24, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
Shouldn't the exit tab read EXITS 109A-B?

Not necessarily, because it lists the exits in the order you will reach them. If traveling west- or southbound, you would reach 109B before 109A.

In this case however, given that the signs are on I-95 northbound, yes it should be 109A-B.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 26, 2012, 02:04:32 PM
More on speed cameras from the Baltimore Sun:

Maryland speed camera investigation brings delays, detours Different issues among jurisdictions; Howard won't supply data (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-sun-investigates-speed-cameras-20121126,0,6198941.story)

QuoteOver months of investigating the proliferation of speed cameras in Maryland, many of The Baltimore Sun's attempts to get data and other information from government officials were met with delays, detours and dead ends.

QuoteHoward County, for example, refused to provide the license tag numbers of the vehicles that its cameras have nailed for speeding. By contrast, Baltimore, Baltimore County and the State Highway Administration – which fall under the same public-records law that Howard does – all provided tag numbers, even if it took some prodding and multiple attempts to get the correct figures.

QuoteWhy the difference? Howard's lawyers said their hands were tied, and invoked a provision of state law that bars government from releasing speed camera photos. While The Sun's wasn't asking for the photos, the images happen to show a vehicle's license plate. So, the lawyers argued, the tag numbers themselves couldn't be released even as part an electronic database – and even though a car's tag doesn't identify its owner or reveal any personal information.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 26, 2012, 02:07:39 PM
Baltimore Sun: I-695 crash kills two, stops traffic for nearly five hours - Sedan driven the wrong way collides with a family in an SUV, killing a 3-year-old and the sedan's driver (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-ci-fatal-accident-20121126,0,3245769.story)

QuoteA sedan driving the wrong way on eastbound Interstate 695 near the Curtis Creek drawbridge struck an SUV carrying a mother and two small children, killing one of them, the sedan's driver, late Sunday.

QuoteThe sedan, driven by 21-year-old Victoria Lynn DeAngelo of Dundalk, entered the outer loop of 695 near exit 1 driving in the wrong direction around 10 p.m. Sunday and crashed into an SUV, Maryland Transportation Authority Police Sgt. Jonathan Green said. The SUV carried Kimberly Kaye Taylor, 29, of White Marsh, and her two daughters, Lily Joseven Kelley, 3, and Mackenzie Grace Kelley, almost 3 months old.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2012, 02:55:25 PM
Baltimore Sun: Bay Bridge safety upgrades aimed at reducing risk of head-on crashes - Officials hope rumble strips, painted buffer will steer westbound motorists out of danger (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-mdta-20121128,0,1296763.story)

QuoteContinuous rumble strips and a vividly painted buffer will be added to the Bay Bridge to protect motorists when the westbound span is running with two-way traffic.

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority board voted unanimously to accept the recommendations of a safety committee that evaluated the conditions surrounding five fatal crashes over the last 12 years and looked at modifications – from permanent barriers to temporary markers – to protect the public.

QuoteThe rumble strip installation and paint job, expected to cost less than $500,000, will be carried out next spring in time for summer vacation traffic, officials said. The painted buffer will make lane changes between the left lane and the center lane illegal, even when all three lanes are westbound.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 11, 2012, 12:15:50 PM
WBOC-TV: Major Trucking Route Reopens in Federalsburg (http://www.wboc.com/story/20307648/major-trucking-route-re-opens-this-evening-in)

QuoteFinishing touches were made Monday to the bridge over the Marshyhope Creek in Federalsburg. The bridge, which cost $2.3 million to renovate, opened 5 p.m. Monday for the first time since May.

QuoteMichael White of Sharpton said that with tractor-trailers being detoured, small towns have dealt with more traffic than usual while the bridge was under construction.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 11, 2012, 01:23:11 PM
WTOP Radio: Md. highway administration defends speed camera program (http://www.wtop.com/46/3152324/Md-highway-administration-defends-speed-camera-program)

QuoteThe Maryland State Highway Administration is defending its speed cameras after a state lawmaker called for local jurisdictions to audit the devices and submit the results to the General Assembly.

Quote"The calibrations are done on the equipment every day," says Maryland State Highway Administration (SHA) spokeswoman Valerie Edgar about the department's speed cameras.

QuoteWhile SHA's speed cameras don't record times down to the tenth of a second, Edgar says they are accurate.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 12, 2012, 07:30:45 AM
Baltimore Sun: O'Malley: Counties should stop paying speed camera contractors per citation - Governor makes first comments since Sun investigation (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-speed-cameras-omalley-20121211,0,3178018.story)

QuoteGov. Martin O'Malley said Tuesday that state law bars speed camera contractors from being paid based on the number of citations issued or paid – a so-called bounty system approach used by Baltimore City, Baltimore County and elsewhere in Maryland.

Quote"The law says you're not supposed to charge by volume. I don't think we should charge by volume," O'Malley said. "If any county is, they need to change their program."

QuoteIn brief comments, O'Malley weighed in for the first time on criticism of speed cameras since The Baltimore Sun published an investigation of the devices, focusing on the city's network of 83 radar-equipped cameras. Several state lawmakers have since proposed changing state law that governs how counties and cities operate speed camera programs. Among the proposals is to add language clearly barring payments per citation.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 12, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
TOLLROADSnews: Oldtown Historic Toll Bridge MD-WV looking to get state OK to triple tolls 50c to $1.50 after 35 years (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6315)

QuoteThe new owner of the Oldtown MD toll bridge seems likely to get approval from regulators in Baltimore to triple toll rates after 35 years. Lori Roberts a local realtor and businesswoman formed the Historical Oldtown Bridge Preservation LLC company to buy the toll bridge in 2010 for $60,000 from a man fed up with what he called the "endless paperwork" of dealing with regulators. After nearly a year of "paperwork" she has apparently done better with them than the former owner.

QuoteThe Oldtown toll bridge is a 74 year old crossing of the Potomac between Oldtown Maryland in Allegany County and Green Spring West Virginia in the mountainous panhandle of Maryland.

QuoteIt is about 100 miles northwest of Washington DC, almost midway, as the crow flies, between Pittsburgh PA and the national capital.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 12, 2012, 01:11:18 PM
Baltimore Sun: Md. State Highway speed camera tickets spike overnight (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bal-maryland-state-highway-speed-camera-tickets-spike-overnight-20121212,0,7864156.story)

QuoteMore than 40 percent of all speed camera tickets issued to drivers in Maryland highway work zones have been doled out between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m., times when crews often aren't on the job.

QuoteThat picture emerged when The Baltimore Sun graphed, hour by hour, all million or so work-zone citations generated by the State Highway Administration between December 2009 and June 30.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 12, 2012, 02:49:34 PM
Washington Post: Local officials call for "˜huge infusion' of transportation funding from Maryland (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/local-officials-call-for-huge-infusion-of-transportation-funding-from-maryland/2012/12/12/10755b0a-447e-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on December 13, 2012, 11:39:38 AM
New interchange on I-270 could relieve gridlock on Md. 355 (http://www.gazette.net/article/20121212/NEWS/712129552/1022/new-interchange-on-i-270-could-relieve-gridlock-on-md-355&template=gazette)
QuoteWatkins Mill Interchange in engineering stage
QuoteConstruction would not begin until 2015 or 2016

The worst part of the MD 124 & 355 intersection is heading south on MD 124.  Even outside of rush hour you may need to wait for more than one green to get past the intersection.

I was hoping that the state was further along with this project.  I was under the impression they had the preconstruction activities completed and were just waiting for construction money.  This has been the #1 priority for Montgomery County since the completion of the ICC and the Montrose Parkway.   
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 13, 2012, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: BrianP on December 13, 2012, 11:39:38 AM
New interchange on I-270 could relieve gridlock on Md. 355 (http://www.gazette.net/article/20121212/NEWS/712129552/1022/new-interchange-on-i-270-could-relieve-gridlock-on-md-355&template=gazette)
QuoteWatkins Mill Interchange in engineering stage
QuoteConstruction would not begin until 2015 or 2016

The worst part of the MD 124 & 355 intersection is heading south on MD 124.  Even outside of rush hour you may need to wait for more than one green to get past the intersection.

I was hoping that the state was further along with this project.  I was under the impression they had the preconstruction activities completed and were just waiting for construction money.  This has been the #1 priority for Montgomery County since the completion of the ICC and the Montrose Parkway.   

I don't get to Gaithersburg all that often, but I think you are right about 124 and 355. 

Since that is within the corporate limits of Gaithersburg, their planning process (and not that of M-NCP&PC Montgomery County) controls what happens (or does not happen) at that intersection. Just checked the transportation element of the city plan, which does (correctly) show that intersection as failing (Level-of-service "F"), but it don't call for a grade-separated interchange there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Eth on December 13, 2012, 07:23:04 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 13, 2012, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: BrianP on December 13, 2012, 11:39:38 AM
New interchange on I-270 could relieve gridlock on Md. 355 (http://www.gazette.net/article/20121212/NEWS/712129552/1022/new-interchange-on-i-270-could-relieve-gridlock-on-md-355&template=gazette)
QuoteWatkins Mill Interchange in engineering stage
QuoteConstruction would not begin until 2015 or 2016

The worst part of the MD 124 & 355 intersection is heading south on MD 124.  Even outside of rush hour you may need to wait for more than one green to get past the intersection.

I was hoping that the state was further along with this project.  I was under the impression they had the preconstruction activities completed and were just waiting for construction money.  This has been the #1 priority for Montgomery County since the completion of the ICC and the Montrose Parkway.   

I don't get to Gaithersburg all that often, but I think you are right about 124 and 355.

Having lived there about a year and a half ago, I can say he's definitely right.  I remember often being frustrated by this on random weekend afternoons trying to get to I-270 via 124 southbound.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on December 21, 2012, 11:28:06 AM
Washington Examiner article today (http://washingtonexaminer.com/tolls-sought-for-route-15-in-md.-to-help-pay-for-road-work/article/2516572#.UNSNxUJ0WNM) on a state senator's proposal to put tolls on US 15 to pay for improvements.  From the article:

QuoteMaryland Sen. Ron Young, D-Frederick, introduced legislation that would place a toll on the highway near the Maryland-Pennsylvania border. The toll would pay for widening the road through Frederick, as well as for building interchanges, bridges and underpasses.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: froggie on December 21, 2012, 11:28:06 AM
Washington Examiner article today (http://washingtonexaminer.com/tolls-sought-for-route-15-in-md.-to-help-pay-for-road-work/article/2516572#.UNSNxUJ0WNM) on a state senator's proposal to put tolls on US 15 to pay for improvements.  From the article:

QuoteMaryland Sen. Ron Young, D-Frederick, introduced legislation that would place a toll on the highway near the Maryland-Pennsylvania border. The toll would pay for widening the road through Frederick, as well as for building interchanges, bridges and underpasses.


No chance.  Way  too many  ways to shunpike.  And U.S. 15 isn't even a freeway.

The federal government and Congress need to put the states on notice that tolls at or near state borders are not an acceptable substitute for raising motor fuel taxes.  Not that it is ever going to happen.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on December 22, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
The federal government and Congress need to put the states on notice that tolls at or near state borders are not an acceptable substitute for raising motor fuel taxes.  Not that it is ever going to happen.

Why would -- or should -- the feds have any say in what a state does with its own roads? Yes, FHWA has its rules on what can and cannot be signed as an interstate and how interstates can be tolled, but why can't states decide on their own if they want to toll existing non-interstates?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 22, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
The federal government and Congress need to put the states on notice that tolls at or near state borders are not an acceptable substitute for raising motor fuel taxes.  Not that it is ever going to happen.

Why would -- or should -- the feds have any say in what a state does with its own roads? Yes, FHWA has its rules on what can and cannot be signed as an interstate and how interstates can be tolled, but why can't states decide on their own if they want to toll existing non-interstates?

If the road was built or maintained with federal money, then they feds do have a say-so in such matters.

I don't have a problem with tolls and tolling, especially since state and federal elected officials seem to be terrified of increasing motor fuel taxes. 

I do have a problem with Delaware Turnpike-style tolls, where the only traffic that is tolled is crossing a state line (though Delaware gets away with it because there were no federal dollars originally used to build that section of I-95). 

Tolling only traffic crossing a state line is a way for states to collect toll dollars from interstate traffic, thus (as far as those elected officials are concerned) tolling people that don't vote in their elections.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 24, 2012, 01:36:26 AM
Maryland: O'Malley frustrated by lack of will to address transportation (http://www.wtop.com/46/3168898/OMalley-frustrated-by-lack-of-will-to-address-transportation)

QuoteGriping about gridlock is common in the Capital region, where commutes can last hours.

QuoteBut Maryland lawmakers continue to struggle to offer a solution. And whether building more roads or expanding transit options, both require more revenue to refill the state's depleted Transportation Trust Fund.

QuoteDuring a year-end review with reporters this week, Governor Martin O'Malley expressed frustration with state legislators' unwillingness to boost the gas tax, which hasn't been increased since 1992.

QuoteO'Malley has set a goal of doubling the number of transit users by 2020.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on December 24, 2012, 09:33:36 AM
Delaware used to have coin booths at each of the entrances but removed them years ago.  My wifes family is from Elkton and I cannot get them to use I-95 to go anywhere in Delaware.  They insist on using Rt 7 all the way up to Christiana instead of hopping on 95 at Rt 896.  When I ask why they say 'its faster' (It isn't usually) or 'that is the way we always go' .  I think it goes back to when they had to throw a quarter in th bin as they got on I 95.

Of course I have been known to get off at Elkton get on Muddy Lane (it used to be a dirt road) over to Rt 7 then get back on at 896.  By the way what is the toll at the Delaware line these days?  I can't remember the last time I went through the plaza.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 24, 2012, 09:51:11 AM
Quote from: bsmart on December 24, 2012, 09:33:36 AM
Delaware used to have coin booths at each of the entrances but removed them years ago.

So did Maryland (prior to about 1982). 

Quote from: bsmart on December 24, 2012, 09:33:36 AM
My wifes family is from Elkton and I cannot get them to use I-95 to go anywhere in Delaware.  They insist on using Rt 7 all the way up to Christiana instead of hopping on 95 at Rt 896.  When I ask why they say 'its faster' (It isn't usually) or 'that is the way we always go' .  I think it goes back to when they had to throw a quarter in th bin as they got on I 95.

There's the bypass route through Newark that others here have described (northbound it is to exit at Exit 109 (Md. 279 North) which becomes Del. 2, then right on Del. 896/Del. 4 (Christiana Parkway); then right on Del. 896 (South College Parkway) back to I-95. 

U.S. 40 (Pulaski Highway) is a decent way to shunpike to the south, though taking Md. 279 south to U.S. 40 means going pretty far out of the way, because of 279's northeast/southwest orientation.

Quote from: bsmart on December 24, 2012, 09:33:36 AM
Of course I have been known to get off at Elkton get on Muddy Lane (it used to be a dirt road) over to Rt 7 then get back on at 896.  By the way what is the toll at the Delaware line these days?  I can't remember the last time I went through the plaza.

$4 each way according to DelDOT (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTollRateI95).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on December 24, 2012, 12:54:01 PM
Southbound I like the Delaware 2-Delaware 4 alternative.  Northbound I still tend to use Rt 7.  But usually I've stopped in Elkton Anyway so which rt I take depends on my next stop.  Since the Parents have passed on we don't go up as much as we used to.

As I remember it Maryland removed the toll booths on ramps a while before Delaware did.  But it was a long time ago for both.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 24, 2012, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: bsmart on December 24, 2012, 12:54:01 PM
Southbound I like the Delaware 2-Delaware 4 alternative.  Northbound I still tend to use Rt 7.  But usually I've stopped in Elkton Anyway so which rt I take depends on my next stop.  Since the Parents have passed on we don't go up as much as we used to.

That's an unfortunate reason.

Quote from: bsmart on December 24, 2012, 12:54:01 PM
As I remember it Maryland removed the toll booths on ramps a while before Delaware did.  But it was a long time ago for both.

Maryland had them up to the early 1980's.  The removal of the ramp tolls were mandated in 1981 by the General Assembly, when it amended the state's Transportation Article to include §4—312.1 (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmStatutesText.aspx?article=gtr&section=4-312.1&ext=html&session=2013RS&tab=subject5).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
TOLLROADSnews: A tolls proposal right here in Frederick MD on 'my' 15 - a Xmas present! (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6329)

QuoteState senator Ron Young (Dem, Frederick), a former mayor of Frederick City and long the most prominent local pol has introduced a bill in the Maryland state Senate (SB15) to seek the federal OK for a toll on US15 at a single toll point at the Pennsylvania border. The bill scheduled for a first reading January 9 specifies that the toll revenues raised be used for:

Quote(1) a US15 interchange at Monocacy Boulevard on the immediate northside of Frederick city

Quote(2) widening the US15 expressway within the city of Frederick from 2x2 lanes to three lanes each direction

Quote(3) upgrading US15 between immediately north of Frederick from surface arterial to full expressway standard  with grade separations up to the Pennsylvania border.

QuoteThe first two projects here in the city are almost through the planning and permitting processes, and have only stalled because of the total lack of money in Annapolis or DC to actually build anything major.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
WTOP Radio: Ready for a new toll in Maryland? (http://www.wtop.com/46/3171299/Ready-for-a-new-toll-in-Maryland)

QuoteA new toll could be added one of the D.C. region's busy roads, if a state lawmaker gets his way.

QuoteThe idea is to add a new toll at the Maryland border with Pennsylvania along U.S. Route 15, and it comes in a bill introduced by Maryland Sen. Ron Young.

QuoteHe wants the money to help pay for three road projects, including a Route 15 interchange at Monocacy Boulevard north of the city of Frederick, and the widening of Route 15 in the city of Frederick from two to three lanes in each direction.

QuoteTollRoads News reports both of these projects are basically on hold because of a lack of money to pay for them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 26, 2012, 04:58:47 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
WTOP Radio: Ready for a new toll in Maryland? (http://www.wtop.com/46/3171299/Ready-for-a-new-toll-in-Maryland)

QuoteTollRoads News reports both of these projects are basically on hold because of a lack of money to pay for them.

Makes me question WTOP's journalism when they cite someone's opinion as fact. It's a bad sign that this is spreading in US journalism in general.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 26, 2012, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: Steve on December 26, 2012, 04:58:47 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
WTOP Radio: Ready for a new toll in Maryland? (http://www.wtop.com/46/3171299/Ready-for-a-new-toll-in-Maryland)

QuoteTollRoads News reports both of these projects are basically on hold because of a lack of money to pay for them.

Makes me question WTOP's journalism when they cite someone's opinion as fact. It's a bad sign that this is spreading in US journalism in general.

I know you don't like Peter and the things he writes, and I am not going to defend him here. 

But there are two facts here:

(1) The state of Maryland does not have money to fund projects like this (and train projects like the Baltimore Red Line and the Purple Line in the suburbs of D.C.) with the current low motor fuel tax rates; and

(2) State Sen. Young has pre-filed a bill in the Maryland General Assembly on this - don't take my word for it, you  can look it up yourself here (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=01&id=sb0015&tab=subject3&ys=2013RS).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 26, 2012, 09:26:46 AM
Baltimore Sun: Residents who paid tickets want full audit of speed cameras -  Legal recourse possible even if tickets were paid, experts say (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-camera-lawsuit-20121225,0,4826694.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on December 26, 2012, 05:47:15 PM
What irritates me about US 15 in Frederick (and yes it is my local road also) is that when they rebuilt the 5 bridges mentioned in teh article 10 years  ago they didn't widen them then! They took each bridge and closed 1/2 of it at a time to completly replace the structure and rebuilt it to the '50s capacity.  Since they were doing so much work why didn't they add the extra structure to allow it to be widened in the future if they weren't going to do it then.

I also think they need a high speed road from the east side of Frederick  (East of the airport) that would connect with 15 north of Hayward Road (I would like to see the interchange they are calling for at Monocacy Blvd to be where it joins in.  This would reduce the traffic on I-70 to 15 (which backs up every day now) and get northbound thru traffic off 15.  Monocacy Blvd (now pretty much complete from I-70 to Rt 26) is good but it really isn't meant for thru traffic (especially trucks)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 26, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: bsmart on December 26, 2012, 05:47:15 PM
What irritates me about US 15 in Frederick (and yes it is my local road also) is that when they rebuilt the 5 bridges mentioned in teh article 10 years  ago they didn't widen them then! They took each bridge and closed 1/2 of it at a time to completly replace the structure and rebuilt it to the '50s capacity.  Since they were doing so much work why didn't they add the extra structure to allow it to be widened in the future if they weren't going to do it then.

Could there have been right-of-way constraints (given that U.S. 15 goes above several of the crossing roads) which may have made it difficult to build the bridges with a wider footprint?  I know that it is Maryland DOT policy to widen bridges when they are redecked in at least some instances.

Quote from: bsmart on December 26, 2012, 05:47:15 PM
I also think they need a high speed road from the east side of Frederick  (East of the airport) that would connect with 15 north of Hayward Road (I would like to see the interchange they are calling for at Monocacy Blvd to be where it joins in.  This would reduce the traffic on I-70 to 15 (which backs up every day now) and get northbound thru traffic off 15.  Monocacy Blvd (now pretty much complete from I-70 to Rt 26) is good but it really isn't meant for thru traffic (especially trucks)

As I understand the political geography of the City of Frederick, growth has been encouraged to the west of the downtown, and in particular not to the east, perhaps because of the presence of the Monocacy River (and its floodplain).

What you are essentially asking for is a full circumferential highway around the city, which would involve approvals by the city, as well as Frederick County.  I am not saying that this is a bad idea per se, but I don't think I have ever seen this on any planning maps.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 26, 2012, 10:59:32 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 26, 2012, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: Steve on December 26, 2012, 04:58:47 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
WTOP Radio: Ready for a new toll in Maryland? (http://www.wtop.com/46/3171299/Ready-for-a-new-toll-in-Maryland)

QuoteTollRoads News reports both of these projects are basically on hold because of a lack of money to pay for them.

Makes me question WTOP's journalism when they cite someone's opinion as fact. It's a bad sign that this is spreading in US journalism in general.

I know you don't like Peter and the things he writes, and I am not going to defend him here. 

But there are two facts here:

(1) The state of Maryland does not have money to fund projects like this (and train projects like the Baltimore Red Line and the Purple Line in the suburbs of D.C.) with the current low motor fuel tax rates; and

(2) State Sen. Young has pre-filed a bill in the Maryland General Assembly on this - don't take my word for it, you  can look it up yourself here (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=01&id=sb0015&tab=subject3&ys=2013RS).
If there are legitimate factual sources, as cited in #2, THAT is what any newspaper article should be citing. Even if Toll Roads News were on the level of New York Times, you STILL don't cite another newspaper's work. Either copy their article, or do the investigation to satisfy yourself that the sources are correct. You have to admit it's shoddy journalism.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on December 27, 2012, 02:45:51 PM
Staying on the Frederick County subject:
Study: Frederick traffic congestion likely to get worse
http://www.gazette.net/article/20121227/NEWS/712279936/1016/study-frederick-traffic-congestion-likely-to-get-worse&template=gazette

QuoteKirby said over the next 27 years, dramatic job growth is expect to occur in Loudoun and Prince William counties in Virginia, and Montgomery and Prince George's counties, but not in Frederick County.
QuoteKirby said Loudoun County will see the most growth in jobs because of its proximity to the Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road.

"There is also a big influx of high-tech jobs and defense spending in Virginia,"  he said. "It is the fastest-growing area in the region."

Ron Kirby is the National Capital Region Transportation Planning Board's transportation planning director.

This makes me think that if a Potomac crossing west of the beltway is built it is more likely to happen in Frederick County.  Although I admit this could be what Maryland would want and not what Virginia wants.  Virginia probably would push for a crossing further east.   The new highway would probably involve the US 15 corridor.  It could be as far east as MD 85.  But I would think that is less likely.  There already is a US 15 tie into US 340.  Although that would have to be reconstructed.  And US 15 south of there is much like a super-2 that can be upgraded.  But the actual river crossing would have to east of Point of Rocks and the Heaters Island Wildlife Management Area.  I don't think you could use the current crossing since there is a tight turn on the Virginia side.  Also in Virginia I think you would have to have a new highway alignment.  US 15 there is a vital north-south artery for local traffic.  Then the highway could tie into the north end of the Leesburg bypass. 

Then Frederick residents would be more likely to look for work in Northern Virgina than now.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 30, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
Washington Post editorial: Get Maryland moving (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/get-maryland-moving/2012/12/30/0dac5710-513b-11e2-8b49-64675006147f_story.html)

QuoteMARYLAND HASN'T been quite the laggard that Virginia has been in terms of raising enough money for the state's roads, rails, bridges and tunnels, but it's close. Virginia last raised its per gallon gas tax – the major source of transportation funding – in 1986. Maryland last raised its own levy, albeit to a higher level, in 1992. In both cases the outlook is bleak.

QuoteAt current trends, Virginia will run out of funds to design and build new transportation projects in 2017; Maryland's fund will be empty a year later. And neither Richmond nor Annapolis seems to have the political spine to come to grips with what amounts to a breakdown in the government's basic obligation to provide adequate infrastructure.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on December 31, 2012, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: BrianP on December 27, 2012, 02:45:51 PM
Staying on the Frederick County subject:
Study: Frederick traffic congestion likely to get worse
http://www.gazette.net/article/20121227/NEWS/712279936/1016/study-frederick-traffic-congestion-likely-to-get-worse&template=gazette

QuoteKirby said over the next 27 years, dramatic job growth is expect to occur in Loudoun and Prince William counties in Virginia, and Montgomery and Prince George's counties, but not in Frederick County.
QuoteKirby said Loudoun County will see the most growth in jobs because of its proximity to the Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road.

"There is also a big influx of high-tech jobs and defense spending in Virginia,"  he said. "It is the fastest-growing area in the region."

Ron Kirby is the National Capital Region Transportation Planning Board's transportation planning director.

This makes me think that if a Potomac crossing west of the beltway is built it is more likely to happen in Frederick County.  Although I admit this could be what Maryland would want and not what Virginia wants.  Virginia probably would push for a crossing further east.   The new highway would probably involve the US 15 corridor.  It could be as far east as MD 85.  But I would think that is less likely.  There already is a US 15 tie into US 340.  Although that would have to be reconstructed.  And US 15 south of there is much like a super-2 that can be upgraded.  But the actual river crossing would have to east of Point of Rocks and the Heaters Island Wildlife Management Area.  I don't think you could use the current crossing since there is a tight turn on the Virginia side.  Also in Virginia I think you would have to have a new highway alignment.  US 15 there is a vital north-south artery for local traffic.  Then the highway could tie into the north end of the Leesburg bypass. 

Then Frederick residents would be more likely to look for work in Northern Virgina than now.



Frederick County traffic has no choice but to get worse.  The current County Commissioners under the guise of being 'Business Friendly' set the impact fee charged to developers at 0% meaning that they do not have to pay into a fund to build infrastructure in the county.  It seems we jump from one extreme to the other here in Frederick County.  I don't think there is any chance of upgrading US 15 between US 340 and the river because the State doesn't want that route to become a major bypass for the Washington Beltway traffic so will not put any effort into it
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on December 31, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
Has anyone here received an invitation to Maryland's '2035 Transportation Plan Roundtable Workshops'?  I received one recently to the email address I used to take an online 'Planning course' that was required of all members of local Planning and Zoning boards.  I'm not sure if they are by invitation only or open to anyone (I assume open to everyone).  It is by preregistration only here is the link
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e6rr84ig9037655a&llr=zpx5yolab

There being held in 4 locations Frederick SHA District Office (Jan 10), MDOT HQ (Jan 22), Chestertown District office (Jan 25), Greenbelt District Office (Jan 29).  They are during the day (9am -11:30 am).  Since Frederick is the furthest west one I guess they aren't interested in input from really Western MD :-)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 01, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
Regarding a US 15 upgrade, it should be noted that there is a lot of local opposition to widening US 15 in northern Loudoun County....enough to where residents were successful in getting it dropped from the county's transportation plan.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 01, 2013, 07:32:24 PM
Quote from: bsmart on December 31, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
Has anyone here received an invitation to Maryland's '2035 Transportation Plan Roundtable Workshops'?  I received one recently to the email address I used to take an online 'Planning course' that was required of all members of local Planning and Zoning boards.  I'm not sure if they are by invitation only or open to anyone (I assume open to everyone).  It is by preregistration only here is the link
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e6rr84ig9037655a&llr=zpx5yolab

There being held in 4 locations Frederick SHA District Office (Jan 10), MDOT HQ (Jan 22), Chestertown District office (Jan 25), Greenbelt District Office (Jan 29).  They are during the day (9am -11:30 am).  Since Frederick is the furthest west one I guess they aren't interested in input from really Western MD :-)

There's not much recurring highway traffic congestion in Maryland west of the crest of the Blue Ridge (South Mountain).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on January 01, 2013, 09:05:35 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 01, 2013, 07:32:24 PM
Quote from: bsmart on December 31, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
Has anyone here received an invitation to Maryland's '2035 Transportation Plan Roundtable Workshops'?  I received one recently to the email address I used to take an online 'Planning course' that was required of all members of local Planning and Zoning boards.  I'm not sure if they are by invitation only or open to anyone (I assume open to everyone).  It is by preregistration only here is the link
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e6rr84ig9037655a&llr=zpx5yolab

There being held in 4 locations Frederick SHA District Office (Jan 10), MDOT HQ (Jan 22), Chestertown District office (Jan 25), Greenbelt District Office (Jan 29).  They are during the day (9am -11:30 am).  Since Frederick is the furthest west one I guess they aren't interested in input from really Western MD :-)

There's not much recurring highway traffic congestion in Maryland west of the crest of the Blue Ridge (South Mountain).
But does that mean they shouldn't be included in the planning for the next 20 years?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 01, 2013, 11:48:23 PM
Quote from: bsmart on January 01, 2013, 09:05:35 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 01, 2013, 07:32:24 PM
Quote from: bsmart on December 31, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
Has anyone here received an invitation to Maryland's '2035 Transportation Plan Roundtable Workshops'?  I received one recently to the email address I used to take an online 'Planning course' that was required of all members of local Planning and Zoning boards.  I'm not sure if they are by invitation only or open to anyone (I assume open to everyone).  It is by preregistration only here is the link
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e6rr84ig9037655a&llr=zpx5yolab

There being held in 4 locations Frederick SHA District Office (Jan 10), MDOT HQ (Jan 22), Chestertown District office (Jan 25), Greenbelt District Office (Jan 29).  They are during the day (9am -11:30 am).  Since Frederick is the furthest west one I guess they aren't interested in input from really Western MD :-)

There's not much recurring highway traffic congestion in Maryland west of the crest of the Blue Ridge (South Mountain).
But does that mean they shouldn't be included in the planning for the next 20 years?

No, it does not.

Maryland, to its great credit, does maintain the state highways in the three western counties of the state at least as well as it does those around the population centers along the two Beltways, plus Frederick, Carroll and Harford Counties.

It is not at all clear to me what this event is about. 

If it is about Maryland's continued obsession with transit (I heard the statement recently that the O'Malley Administration has a goal of doubling mass transit patronage between 2013 and 2020), then it is setting the citizens of the state up for more wishful thinking, more highway traffic congestion and more spending of state transportation trust fund spending on questionable rail transit (note that I have no problem with spending tax money to maintain the extant rail transit systems). 

The promise to double transit ridership it brings back bad memories of Parris Glendening's second term in office, when he made the exact same claim - for 2020, 18 years (!) after his second term in office ended.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 02, 2013, 04:46:18 PM
MdTA press release: MAJOR TRAFFIC SWITCH THIS WEEKEND AT I-95/MD 43 INTERCHANGE (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/JFK_Traffic_Advisories/MAJOR_TRAFFIC_SWITCH_THIS_WEEKEND_AT_I95_MD_43_INTERCHANGE)

QuoteMAJOR TRAFFIC SWITCH THIS WEEKEND AT I-95/MD 43 INTERCHANGE
New temporary traffic pattern part of I-95 Express Toll LanesSM Project

QuoteWHAT: Weather-permitting, the ramp from northbound I-95 to westbound MD 43 (Exit 67B, White Marsh Boulevard) will be temporarily closed to switch MD 43 to a new traffic pattern.  Traffic will be detoured to eastbound MD 43 (Exit 67A, White Marsh Boulevard), to eastbound MD 7 (Philadelphia Road), to westbound MD 43.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 08, 2013, 02:31:58 AM
WTOP Radio: I-270 gridlock cries out for solutions (http://www.wtop.com/654/3183311/I-270-gridlock-cries-out-for-solutions)

QuoteInterstate 270 is considered one of the most choked roads in the Washington region, but solutions for the gridlock are few and far between.

QuoteFigures from the Maryland Department of Transportation show about 114,000 cars use I-270 daily, and that number is expected to jump to 200,000 in the next 10 to 15 years.

Quote"Everyone who is familiar with 270 knows it is jammed up in the morning rush hour and evening rush hour," says Gus Bauman, who studies transportation and funding and who chaired a Maryland Blue Ribbon Commission on Transportation Funding.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 08, 2013, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 08, 2013, 02:31:58 AM
WTOP Radio: I-270 gridlock cries out for solutions (http://www.wtop.com/654/3183311/I-270-gridlock-cries-out-for-solutions)

QuoteInterstate 270 is considered one of the most choked roads in the Washington region, but solutions for the gridlock are few and far between.

QuoteFigures from the Maryland Department of Transportation show about 114,000 cars use I-270 daily, and that number is expected to jump to 200,000 in the next 10 to 15 years.

Quote"Everyone who is familiar with 270 knows it is jammed up in the morning rush hour and evening rush hour," says Gus Bauman, who studies transportation and funding and who chaired a Maryland Blue Ribbon Commission on Transportation Funding.
Short of a dual/dual like the NJ Turnpike, I don't see an easy solution. Linking I-370 and VA 28 or Fairfax Co. Pkwy. would be of limited benefit because of how far west in the metro area they run.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 08, 2013, 08:07:53 PM
Quote from: Steve on January 08, 2013, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 08, 2013, 02:31:58 AM
WTOP Radio: I-270 gridlock cries out for solutions (http://www.wtop.com/654/3183311/I-270-gridlock-cries-out-for-solutions)

QuoteInterstate 270 is considered one of the most choked roads in the Washington region, but solutions for the gridlock are few and far between.

QuoteFigures from the Maryland Department of Transportation show about 114,000 cars use I-270 daily, and that number is expected to jump to 200,000 in the next 10 to 15 years.

Quote"Everyone who is familiar with 270 knows it is jammed up in the morning rush hour and evening rush hour," says Gus Bauman, who studies transportation and funding and who chaired a Maryland Blue Ribbon Commission on Transportation Funding.
Short of a dual/dual like the NJ Turnpike, I don't see an easy solution. Linking I-370 and VA 28 or Fairfax Co. Pkwy. would be of limited benefit because of how far west in the metro area they run.

I-270 has C-D lanes in a (fairly short) section, southbound from I-370 (Md. 200) to south of Montrose Road; and northbound from south of Montrose to Md. 124 (Quince Orchard Road).  They are not a dual-dual configuration like the N.J. Turnpike, but things would be much worse without them. 

The straight-line distance from the west end of I-370 to Va. 28 and Va. 7 is about 13 miles, according to Google Maps.  If the connection were from Va.28 to Md. 119 (Great Seneca Highway), the distance is between 11 and 12 miles.  Of course, those distances ignore the many streams and other Waters of the United States.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on January 08, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
The streams and waterways aren't the problem - The private estates are
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 08, 2013, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: bsmart on January 08, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
The streams and waterways aren't the problem - The private estates are

But the  owners of the mansions and estates and horsefarms invariably cite "environmental protection" as a reason to not build a highway that might bring the hoi-polloi anyplace near  their viewsheds.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 09, 2013, 01:50:32 PM
Always sad when people working on highway projects are killed or injured.

Baltimore Sun: Two highway workers killed in Northeast crash (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-highway-fatal-0110-2-20130109,0,5155301.story)

QuoteTwo highway workers under contract to the state were killed Wednesday morning along Pulaski Highway in Northeast when a car plowed into a marked construction zone, state police said.

QuoteInvestigators reported that around 9 a.m., a 2006 Ford Focus westbound on Pulaski Highway near Belvidere Road crossed into the work zone and struck the two workers. Both workers were pronounced dead at the scene by Cecil County emergency medical personnel; there was no word on the condition of the driver of the Ford.

[Pulaski Highway is U.S. 40]
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 09, 2013, 01:50:32 PM
Always sad when people are killed or injured.
Fixed for you.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 11, 2013, 10:10:28 AM
Baltimore Sun editorial: Can Md. follow Va.'s lead on transportation?
Our view: If a Republican governor can push for new transportation revenue in Virginia, surely Martin O'Malley can roll up his sleeves and back a similar effort here (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-gas-tax-20130109,0,1760302.story)

QuoteThe General Assembly returned to Annapolis today, and the biggest idea floating around comes from across the Potomac. With the details of Gov. Martin O'Malley's agenda a mystery for the time being, lawmakers in Maryland's capital find themselves confronted by a bold, if not altogether sound, idea from Virginia Gov. Robert McDonnell to increase the commonwealth's transportation funding by $3.1 billion over the next five years. On Tuesday, he proposed eliminating the politically unpopular gas tax altogether and replacing it with higher sales taxes, a variety of fees and as-yet nonexistent revenue from taxing sales over the Internet. It may not produce enough revenue to address gridlock that's as bad as or worse than Maryland's. It raises serious questions about equity and would likely force cuts to other priorities. But it represents a much more forceful attempt to tackle a long-term threat to than the regional economy than Mr. O'Malley appears inclined to muster.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 12, 2013, 10:01:32 PM
Md. 212 in Prince George's County has been rerouted east of I-95.

It used to follow Powder Mill Road all the way through Beltsville to the end of state maintenance at Md. 201 (Edmonston Road).  In recent years, that has involved a right turn headed east at the new intersection of Old Gunpowder Road/Ammendale Road.

Now it follows Ammendale Road, then Virginia Manor Road and finally Ritz Way, east to U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue).  Then south along U.S. 1 back to "old" Md.  212 at Powder Mill Road, then across the CSX tracks to Md. 201.  Powder Mill Road continues east as a federally-maintained road across the USDA Beltsville Agricultural Research Center and ultimately comes to an end at Md. 197 (Laurel Bowie Road).

Edit:  Added Virginia Manor Road to the collection of streets followed by Md. 212 (even though there are no turns between I-95 and U.S. 1).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2013, 01:07:16 PM
Chestertown Spy:  Pipkin Pushes Bill for Bay Bridge Study In 2013 Session (http://chestertownspy.com/2013/01/15/pipkin-pushes-bill-for-bay-bridge-study-in-2013-session/)

QuoteFor a fourth straight year, Senate Minority Leader E.J. Pipkin has sponsored a bill to study the need for a third bridge over the Chesapeake Bay. The measure would cost $35 million to have the Maryland Transportation Authority complete the study by 2018.

Quote"We need to talk about this,"  Pipkin said in a phone interview with the Spy on Tuesday. "We need to bring those who don't want a new bridge together with the people who do, and have a discussion. We need to study its viability and its economic and environmental impact, and whether we should build or not build."

Quote"Not having the discussion and sticking our heads in the sand won't get us anything,"  Pipkin, R-Upper Shore, said. "If we're not going to get another span, we need to talk about that because it has policy implications...if we're going to go forward, it would be 13 to 15 years before it would get done."

QuoteA report in 2004 projected Bay Bridge crossings by 2025 to increase by 25,000 on weekdays to 86,000. Saturday and Sunday crossings would increase to 140,000 during the summer months, up from the current 95,000.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 17, 2013, 08:26:07 PM
Washington Post:  Montgomery officials seek transportation funding ideas from Northern Virginia (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/montgomery-officials-seek-transportation-funding-ideas-from-northern-virginia/2013/01/17/de341af6-60d3-11e2-b05a-605528f6b712_story.html)

QuoteMontgomery County Council members, looking for ways to pay for a light-rail Purple Line and a countywide network of bus lanes, sought ideas Thursday from Northern Virginia, where new lanes just opened on the Capital Beltway and where the Silver Line Metrorail extension is almost half-finished.

QuoteDuring a briefing by Northern Virginia transportation officials, County Council members' questions boiled down to one: If local and state governments across the country are hurting for money, how did Virginia afford to build a $2 billion Beltway expansion and a $5.6 billion subway line?

Quote"Why aren't we able to come up with these financing packages?"  council member George L. Leventhal (D-At Large) asked the panel.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 17, 2013, 08:30:25 PM
TOLLROADSnews: MD bill to fund studies, planning, permitting of new Chesapeake Bay Bridge (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6358)

QuoteA bill just introduced in the Maryland state Senate requires the Maryland (Toll) Transportation Authority (MdTA) to start the EIS process of studies, outreach, planning and permits needed for a new Chesapeake Bay bridge. The bill SB0093 is introduced by the Majority Minority (Republican) Leader of the state Senate E J PIpkin and other eastern shore delegates.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 22, 2013, 09:27:54 PM
Baltimore Sun: Troubled transition shuts down city speed cameras - City speed cameras haven't issued tickets in the new year; only 17 red light tickets issued (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-speed-cameras-not-working-20130122,0,2190022.story)

QuoteBaltimore's speed and red light camera system has experienced a near-complete shutdown during what city officials are calling a problematic transition to a new contractor, records show, and the city's new vendor says it could take four months to get a new system running.

QuoteCity officials acknowledged Tuesday that Baltimore's network of 83 speed cameras — which issued an average of about 2,300 tickets each weekday last year — has yet to issue any in 2013. And records posted on a city website show that red light cameras have issued just 17 tickets, all in the first two days of the year.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 22, 2013, 10:03:30 PM
Washington Post: Md. Senate president proposes new gasoline tax for transportation (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/md-senate-president-proposes-new-gasoline-tax-for-transportation/2013/01/22/c312d84a-64c8-11e2-b84d-21c7b65985ee_story.html)

QuoteMaryland's powerful Senate president sought Tuesday to jump-start a stalled debate over transportation funding, offering a plan to raise hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes and urging the governor to work harder on an issue "crying out to be addressed."

QuoteIn an interview with The Washington Post, Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert) also floated the idea of leasing the $2.6 billion Intercounty Connector (ICC) to a private operator as he outlined an approach to raising new revenue to help alleviate traffic congestion and covering the state's share of long-planned rail projects.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on January 24, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
George Edwards has introduced a bill to the Maryland Senate that would allow the speed limit on I-68 to be raised to 70 mph (http://times-news.com/latest_news/x503832129/Edwards-bill-would-increase-speed-limit-on-Interstate-68). I doubt it will pass, though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 24, 2013, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 24, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
George Edwards has introduced a bill to the Maryland Senate that would allow the speed limit on I-68 to be raised to 70 mph (http://times-news.com/latest_news/x503832129/Edwards-bill-would-increase-speed-limit-on-Interstate-68). I doubt it will pass, though.

IMO, that is the wrong way to go about it.  Much better if the Maryland General Assembly just increases the statutory maximum limit in Maryland to 70 or even 75 MPH. Then the engineers at SHA and MdTA can determine where the speed limits can be that high. 

In my opinion, 70 MPH is not appropriate for most of I-68 in Allegany County.  Especially not the substandard segment through  Cumberland.  Especially not for the long (mostly) eastbound downgrade from Finzel to Cumberland.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 25, 2013, 11:42:11 AM
QuoteMiller also proposed Thursday leasing a state toll highway to a private operator to raise money for mass-transit projects in Baltimore and the Washington suburbs.

Not sure that the above is legal, because even though most of the money to build the ICC came from MdTA toll revenue bonds, there was also at least some federal money used, which I believe makes it legally difficult to lease it to a private concessionaire.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on January 25, 2013, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 24, 2013, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 24, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
George Edwards has introduced a bill to the Maryland Senate that would allow the speed limit on I-68 to be raised to 70 mph (http://times-news.com/latest_news/x503832129/Edwards-bill-would-increase-speed-limit-on-Interstate-68). I doubt it will pass, though.

IMO, that is the wrong way to go about it.  Much better if the Maryland General Assembly just increases the statutory maximum limit in Maryland to 70 or even 75 MPH. Then the engineers at SHA and MdTA can determine where the speed limits can be that high. 

In my opinion, 70 MPH is not appropriate for most of I-68 in Allegany County.  Especially not the substandard segment through  Cumberland.  Especially not for the long (mostly) eastbound downgrade from Finzel to Cumberland.
I would assume that if any of I-68 were to have its speed limit raised, it would be in Garrett County and eastern Allegany County, not in western Allegany County, or especially Cumberland.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 25, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 25, 2013, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 24, 2013, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 24, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
George Edwards has introduced a bill to the Maryland Senate that would allow the speed limit on I-68 to be raised to 70 mph (http://times-news.com/latest_news/x503832129/Edwards-bill-would-increase-speed-limit-on-Interstate-68). I doubt it will pass, though.

IMO, that is the wrong way to go about it.  Much better if the Maryland General Assembly just increases the statutory maximum limit in Maryland to 70 or even 75 MPH. Then the engineers at SHA and MdTA can determine where the speed limits can be that high. 

In my opinion, 70 MPH is not appropriate for most of I-68 in Allegany County.  Especially not the substandard segment through  Cumberland.  Especially not for the long (mostly) eastbound downgrade from Finzel to Cumberland.
I would assume that if any of I-68 were to have its speed limit raised, it would be in Garrett County and eastern Allegany County, not in western Allegany County, or especially Cumberland.

70 MPH or even 75 MPH would seem to be fine along I-68 in most (all?) of Garrett County. 

Eastern Allegany, perhaps. I have driven all of I-68 in Maryland and West Virginia, but not for a few years, and I have a hard time drawing a line in my mind where a higher limit would be appropriate. Perhaps east of the M V Smith Road (Exit 64, Green Ridge State Forest) interchange?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on January 26, 2013, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 25, 2013, 02:04:51 PM
or especially Cumberland.
I think King Radical (http://mcninja.wikia.com/wiki/King_Radical) would approve of 70 mph.  It's most rad!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: DeaconG on January 26, 2013, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: deanej on January 26, 2013, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 25, 2013, 02:04:51 PM
or especially Cumberland.
I think King Radical (http://mcninja.wikia.com/wiki/King_Radical) would approve of 70 mph.  It's most rad!

Ah, another Dr. McNinja fan!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on January 27, 2013, 11:17:32 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 25, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 25, 2013, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 24, 2013, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 24, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
George Edwards has introduced a bill to the Maryland Senate that would allow the speed limit on I-68 to be raised to 70 mph (http://times-news.com/latest_news/x503832129/Edwards-bill-would-increase-speed-limit-on-Interstate-68). I doubt it will pass, though.

IMO, that is the wrong way to go about it.  Much better if the Maryland General Assembly just increases the statutory maximum limit in Maryland to 70 or even 75 MPH. Then the engineers at SHA and MdTA can determine where the speed limits can be that high. 

In my opinion, 70 MPH is not appropriate for most of I-68 in Allegany County.  Especially not the substandard segment through  Cumberland.  Especially not for the long (mostly) eastbound downgrade from Finzel to Cumberland.
I would assume that if any of I-68 were to have its speed limit raised, it would be in Garrett County and eastern Allegany County, not in western Allegany County, or especially Cumberland.

70 MPH or even 75 MPH would seem to be fine along I-68 in most (all?) of Garrett County. 

Eastern Allegany, perhaps. I have driven all of I-68 in Maryland and West Virginia, but not for a few years, and I have a hard time drawing a line in my mind where a higher limit would be appropriate. Perhaps east of the M V Smith Road (Exit 64, Green Ridge State Forest) interchange?
Going from 70 to 40 would prove interesting!  Even though you have it current 65 mph leading to the Cumberland Speed Zone and it would remain, it still is one hell of a drop over all.  Bad enough, you cannot get the 85 percent to do the posted 40 with it being 65 or when it was 55 back in the day.  I wonder how much more of an effect it would have if Maryland got smart and looked at the 70 mph possibility?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 28, 2013, 09:14:05 AM
Baltimore Sun opinion piece: Miller gas tax gambit: Flawed, but perhaps necessary - Our view: Senate president's plan for local gas tax doesn't quite add up, but at least it recognizes Maryland's transportation funding shortfall and keeps the issue alive in the General Assembly (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-gas-tax-20130127,0,1891374.story)

QuoteThose things that make Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller a formidable adversary in Annapolis can sure come in handy sometimes. This week, he single-handedly restored to relevancy one of the most important issues facing Maryland – a looming shortfall in transportation funding – that others in his party seem to regard as radioactive.

QuoteCall him irascible, call him egotistical, call him a bull in a china shop, but the real lesson here is to always call on the longest-serving Senate leader in Maryland history when it's time to pick up an unpopular cause like raising the gas tax. The veteran Prince George's County politician may often be wrong, but he's never in doubt.

QuoteMind you, what President Miller is actually proposing – essentially splitting the gas tax increase between state and local governments so that, in theory, the metropolitan area could have a higher rate to finance metropolitan public transit – is not a good idea for a variety of reasons. But at least the bill, which is expected to be formally submitted next week, keeps the issue alive, providing lawmakers time to reason out a better alternative.

QuoteThe Senate president also calls on the state to lease the Intercounty Connector to private interests to help provide a short-term boost in transportation funds. Such a move would be fraught with complications (including paying off the bonds that financed the project), so it's difficult to know whether that might be a wise choice for the state or not. But based on experience elsewhere, legislators should be skeptical that it would do much more than provide some short-term cash in exchange for a much larger pile of long-term toll revenue that goes to private investors and not back into local transportation projects.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2013, 12:57:02 PM
I hope the driver of the tractor-trailer that violently struck the West Lanham Hills Volunteer Fire Department Fire Department (Prince George's County) engine gets charged (at a minimum) with violating TA § 21-901.1 (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmStatutesText.aspx?article=gtr&section=21-901.1&ext=html&session=2013RS&tab=subject5) (Reckless and negligent driving).

As bad as "regular" crashes on freeways are, striking a emergency response vehicle is (IMO) much worse. 

I hope the four firefighters who were injured are able to recover (according to the article and reports from the fire department (http://www.wlhvfd.com/news/fullstory/newsid/180482), three of them have been released, but one was transferred to Union Memorial Hospital in Baltimore City). 

Looks like the wagon is a total loss (though that can be replaced).

WTOP Radio: Chief: Tractor-trailer rear-ends fire truck (http://www.wtop.com/58/3211618/Firefighter-in-surgery-after-Beltway-crash)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wtop.com%2Femedia%2Fwtop%2F27%2F2757%2F275768.jpg&hash=a52139e29347f0db9300414012ed8d70c9af3b1e)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2013, 02:38:41 PM
Washington Post: Grisly crash injures seven, ties up Beltway traffic early Wednesday (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/grisly-crash-injures-seven-ties-up-beltway-traffic-early-wednesday/2013/01/30/d27f5ba2-6b06-11e2-95b3-272d604a10a3_story.html)

QuoteA grisly crash involving a tractor-trailer and a Prince George's County fire truck sent seven people, including four volunteer firefighters, to the hospital early Wednesday and caused major backups on the Capital Beltway for hours, authorities said.

QuoteOne of the firefighters, a 29-year-old from Lanham, suffered a severed arm and remained in "very critical condition"  Wednesday, said Chief John Alter of the West Lanham Hills fire station. He was undergoing surgery at Union Memorial Hospital in Baltimore, Alter said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on January 30, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
CP its better to find out what happened before trying to assign blame.  The WP article sucks by the way.  In one sentence they make it sound like the fire truck was leaving the scene of an accident:
Quoteand was headed back to the station when it was rear ended by a tractor-trailer.
And in the very next sentence they make it sound like the fire truck was arriving at the scene of the accident:
Quotethe (fire) truck was actually pulling up to the scene of that crash
Well which was it WP? :pan:

This article states that the fire truck was leaving.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/495-at-route-50-accident-in-maryland-leaves-7-seriously-injured-84626.html
QuoteLate Wednesday afternoon, Prince George's County Police released their preliminary findings on the accident which had the Beltway closed for hours, saying the fire engine was just leaving an accident call when it tried to make a U-turn at an emergency vehicle access point. Police say the engine collided with a tractor trailer, which sources say had the right of way.

But that last sentence seems a bit ambiguous.  Which trucks had the right of way since both trucks are mentioned in the first part of the sentence?  My grammar knowledge is too rusty to know for sure to which truck that last part of the sentence applies.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2013, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: BrianP on January 30, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
CP its better to find out what happened before trying to assign blame.

Agreed. 

The initial media reports implied that the West Landover Hills engine was struck while it was at the scene of another wreck. That clearly implied that the driver of the tractor-trailer was at fault.  But now the story is different.

It bothers me that the media is reporting that MSP and the Prince George's County Police Department are conducting a "joint" investigation.

IMO, it would be much better if MSP just investigated this on their own.  They  have the  resources and the expertise to do so.

Though an MSP car was involved in a  horrendous-looking wreck in Carroll County today, so some of the MSP personnel might have had to deal with that as well.  Though I still think MSP has enough  resources to investigate both of them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2013, 04:48:40 PM
Baltimore Sun: Bill would force changes to city speed camera sites - Sen. Brochin wants speed cameras limited to 500 feet of schools (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-sun-investigates-school-zones-20130209,0,6591604.story)

QuoteQuick: Name the school closest to North Charles Street and Lake Avenue in North Baltimore.

QuoteStumped? The city's Department of Transportation has the answer: It's the Bryn Mawr School, less than a half-mile southwest of the intersection as the crow flies over the trees and side streets.

QuoteThe distance matters. Charles and Lake is the site of one of the city's 75 permanent speed cameras. Under state law, the devices must lie within a half-mile of a school, or 2,640 feet. With its hundreds of schools, Baltimore is essentially one giant potential school zone, as the accompanying map shows.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 19, 2013, 09:32:30 AM
Baltimore Sun:  In Canton, parking woes part of growing pains - City leaders charting new path to boost parking in booming neighborhood (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-canton-parking-20130218,0,1000248.story)

QuoteThere's a Starbucks and an Outback Steakhouse and a growing young tech company. Soon, a Harris Teeter grocery store and a Target will be built. All are helping to draw new residents to Canton.

QuoteBut where to park?

Quote"I don't know of any small part of Canton where there isn't a parking problem," said Darryl Jurkiewicz, president of the Canton Community Association. His organization has been pushing city officials for months to find solutions.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 19, 2013, 11:14:42 PM
Baltimore Sun: State funding plan elusive for roads, transit - Governor, Assembly leaders have yet to agree on proposal (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-transportation-crunch-20130217,0,7908188.story)

QuoteAs the General Assembly nears the halfway point in its 90-day session, Gov. Martin O'Malley and key legislators have yet to agree on a plan to pay for new roads, bridges and transit lines – a decision many consider critical to Maryland's economy.

QuoteBusiness leaders and others are warning that a longstanding erosion of the fund that finances transportation projects is becoming a crisis. Without new money in the form of higher taxes and fees, they say, work on critically needed projects – including Baltimore's Red Line and suburban Washington's Purple Line – will come to a halt.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 21, 2013, 10:56:37 PM
Baltimore Sun: Inspectors keep Maryland's aging bridges safe for traffic - Aggressive state campaign brings number of deficient spans below U.S. average (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bridge-inspection-20121219,0,5887990.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2013, 01:22:08 AM
Washington Post: Passage of Va. transportation plan may buoy efforts in Maryland (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/passage-of-va-transportation-plan-likely-to-buoy-efforts-in-maryland/2013/02/25/0e0cd8cc-7f46-11e2-a350-49866afab584_story.html)

QuoteMaryland lawmakers might finally have found the inspiration they need to get moving on a transportation funding package – in Virginia.

QuoteThe passage last weekend of a plan to infuse about $880 million a year into Virginia's roads and mass transit is likely to energize the debate across the Potomac, Maryland leaders said, citing the competition for jobs and the shared traffic congestion.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 27, 2013, 12:14:56 AM
Gazette.Net:  Maryland lawmakers go after unpaid tolls - Under proposal, driver's registration eventually could be suspended (http://www.gazette.net/article/20130225/NEWS/130229339/1124/maryland-lawmakers-go-after-unpaid-tolls&template=gazette)

QuoteMaryland officials have renewed their push to revise the state's toll-collection policy, a move they say is necessary to pursue millions of dollars in unpaid tolls.

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority is seeking stricter penalties for drivers who have toll citations mailed to them but don't pay up, and a House subcommittee is expected to act on the proposal Tuesday.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2013, 08:36:10 AM
Since the camera snaps a pic of the tag, can they really go after the unknown driver?  Or do they mean the vehicle's registration could be suspended?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on February 27, 2013, 11:48:14 AM
What do they do in case of someone driving a vehicle not registered to them?

Eliminating the yearly fee on E-ZPass would probably help here.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 27, 2013, 02:09:15 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2013, 08:36:10 AM
Since the camera snaps a pic of the tag, can they really go after the unknown driver?  Or do they mean the vehicle's registration could be suspended?

I am pretty sure it's the vehicle they go after.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 27, 2013, 02:10:56 PM
Quote from: deanej on February 27, 2013, 11:48:14 AM
What do they do in case of someone driving a vehicle not registered to them?

Eliminating the yearly fee on E-ZPass would probably help here.

If the statute is written in such a way that  the owner is responsible, then it's the owners problem (presumably unless the vehicle was stolen).

I use my Maryland E-ZPass enough  that I don't get hit with a fee.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 27, 2013, 02:11:45 PM
Washington Post: Few Marylanders support tax increase to fund traffic congestion fixes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/few-marylanders-support-tax-increase-to-fund-traffic-congestion-fixes/2013/02/26/5acfe0d8-802b-11e2-8074-b26a871b165a_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 28, 2013, 11:05:15 AM
Maryland General Assembly staff comments regarding proposed FY 2014 MDOT and related agency budgets (all Adobe Acrobat .pdf files):

Maryland Department of Transportation overview (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00-Maryland-Department-of-Transportation-Overview.pdf)

Maryland Transportation Authority (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00J00-Maryland-Transportation-Authority.pdf)

MDOT debt service requirements (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00A04-MDOT-Debt-Service-Requirements.pdf)

Maryland Aviation Administration (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00I00-MDOT-Maryland-Aviation-Administration.pdf)

Maryland Port Administration (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00D00-MDOT-Maryland-Port-Administration.pdf)

Maryland Transit Administration (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00H01-MDOT-Maryland-Transit-Administration.pdf)

Motor Vehicle Administration (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00E00-MDOT-Motor-Vehicle-Administration.pdf)

State Highway Administration (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00B01-MDOT-State-Highway-Administration.pdf)

MDOT Secretary's Office (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00A01-MDOT-The-Secretarys-Office.pdf)

WMATA (Washington-area Metro system) (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs/budgetfiscal/2014fy-budget-docs-operating-J00A0104-WMATA---Operating-Budget.pdf)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MDRoads on February 28, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
This map was mentioned in an article just before the law was implemented, that the 1/2 mile radius accounts for 86% of the city's land area.

Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2013, 04:48:40 PM
Baltimore Sun: Bill would force changes to city speed camera sites - Sen. Brochin wants speed cameras limited to 500 feet of schools (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-sun-investigates-school-zones-20130209,0,6591604.story)

QuoteThe distance matters. Charles and Lake is the site of one of the city's 75 permanent speed cameras. Under state law, the devices must lie within a half-mile of a school, or 2,640 feet. With its hundreds of schools, Baltimore is essentially one giant potential school zone, as the accompanying map shows.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 28, 2013, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: MDRoads on February 28, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
This map was mentioned in an article just before the law was implemented, that the 1/2 mile radius accounts for 86% of the city's land area.

I recall seeing that too.

The Baltimore City speed camera program is about raising revenue first, and everything else (including safety) second.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 01, 2013, 12:45:34 AM
Baltimore Sun: Baltimore drivers lose $1,800 a year to bad roads and congestion, report says (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-highway-survey-20130228,0,5652262.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on March 02, 2013, 12:44:29 PM
It's a shame, the state of some of the city's streets. You can always tell when you leave the city because the pavement quality usually gets better. And instead of repaving the whole street (which would make more sense) they just patch up areas, making it that much worse when it deteriorates more.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 02, 2013, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 02, 2013, 12:44:29 PM
It's a shame, the state of some of the city's streets. You can always tell when you leave the city because the pavement quality usually gets better. And instead of repaving the whole street (which would make more sense) they just patch up areas, making it that much worse when it deteriorates more.

IMO, the most-dramatic changes in Baltimore City are where maintenance transitions from (often poor) City maintenance to (generally good or even excellent) MdTA maintenance (often, but not always, marked by a sign).

One example is the ramp from U.S. 40 (Pulaski Highway) to Erdman Avenue and to southbound I-895 in East Baltimore (GSV here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=east+baltimore&hl=en&ll=39.299818,-76.549923&spn=0.009282,0.01929&safe=off&fb=1&gl=us&hq=east&hnear=Baltimore,+Maryland&t=m&fll=39.295384,-76.55767&fspn=0.009283,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.29987,-76.550047&panoid=Yw1_lnjnyBSr0m_MulsOGQ&cbp=12,104.52,,0,16.87)).  The ramp to the left goes to Erdman Avenue (City maintenance), the ramp to the right goes to I-895 (MdTA maintenance, the sign is visible to the right).

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 04, 2013, 08:37:11 PM
Annapolis Evening Capital: O'Malley, presiding officers unveil transportation funding plan (http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/government/o-malley-presiding-officers-unveil-transportation-funding-plan/article_ecd27623-573d-5390-bdd8-32c42546236b.html)

QuoteGov. O'Malley's Transportation Funding Plan

Effective July 1, the transportation funding plan proposed Monday by Gov. Martin O'Malley, Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. and House Speaker Michael E. Busch would do the following, effective July 1:

  • Reduce the state excise tax on gasoline by five cents from 23.5-cents-per-gallon to 18.5-cents-per-gallon;
  • Index the 18.5-cents-per-gallon state excise tax on gas to be linked to the inflation rate measured by the Consumer Price Index;
  • Create a 2 percent sales tax on gas at the wholesale level, increasing to 4 percent on July 1, 2014;
  • Index transit fares charged by the Maryland Transit Administration to the inflation rate measured by the Consumer Price Index;
  • If Marketplace Equity Act passes, transportation would receive a percentage of revenue generated by its implementation. The Marketplace Equity Act would enable states to apply their sales tax to internet sales;
  • State Treasury to issue General Obligation Bonds for federally required environmental improvements.

Baltimore Sun: O'Malley, top Democrats propose higher taxes on gas - Price would go up 2 cents a gallon in July, 7 cents more a year later (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-transportation-plan-20130304,0,7825377.story)

QuoteGov. Martin O'Malley and the Democratic leaders of the General Assembly are proposing to raise taxes on gasoline by $2 billion over five years to finance highways, transit and other transportation projects.

QuoteThe plan endorsed by the governor, Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch would add 2 cents to the cost of a gallon of gasoline July 1 and another 7 cents a year later. In 2015, it would rise by another 7 cents unless Congress passes a bill that would allow states to apply sales taxes to Internet sales. Transit fares would also rise under the plan.

Washington Post: O'Malley proposes new tax on gas to shore up Maryland's transportation fund (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/omalley-proposes-new-tax-on-gas-to-shore-up-marylands-transportation-fund/2013/03/04/7bea9ef2-84db-11e2-999e-5f8e0410cb9d_story_1.html)

QuoteO'Malley decried "the worst traffic congestion in the country"  in his State of the State address in late January but did not endorse a specific plan to address it. Legislation he offered last year, which would have applied a 6 percent sales tax to gas, went nowhere.

QuoteDuring this session, Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert) has been the most vocal proponent of moving forward, crafting his own plan and publicly trying to goad O'Malley to take a leadership role.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 05, 2013, 07:51:16 PM
Baltimore Sun: I-95 expansion in Harford could still be in the works (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/fallston-joppa/ph-ag-joppa-cc-0306-20130305,0,881532.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MDRoads on March 06, 2013, 10:04:38 PM
WBAL: Judge Rules (Baltimore County) Speed Camera Contract Illegal (http://www.wbal.com/article/98070/3/template-story/Judge-Rules-Speed-Camera-Contract-Illegal)

Apparently Baltimore County's contract includes some sort of a bounty system.   What's interesting is that many of the cameras, being as they are near schools, are getting vandalized, so they have to install regular surveillance cameras to keep watch over the speed cameras.  Big Brother keeps creeping along.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 04:14:08 PM
Baltimore Sun/The Aegis editorial:  Bottleneck at I-95, Baltimore Beltway remains, possibly to promote use of new toll lanes [Editorial] (http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/opinion-talk/ph-ag-edit-95-0308-20130307,0,2196876.story)

QuoteIt's not much of a surprise that the Maryland State Highway Administration is again looking at making I-95 wider in Harford County from the Route 24 interchange south to the Baltimore County line and beyond.

QuoteThe state has dozens of projects in the long-term planning phase at any given moment and, depending on the politics of the moment, any such project can be jumped to the head of the line, or bumped back. The latest series of I-95 construction projects that have included major upgrades of the Route 24, White Marsh Boulevard and Baltimore Beltway interchanges, as well as the addition of extra lanes, was a low priority early in Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr.'s administration, then it suddenly became a high priority and construction was begun.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2013, 03:04:06 PM
TOLLROADSnews: Maryland's premier pike - the JFK Highway I-95 - is the key to state's revenue enhancement (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6447)

QuoteLegislators in Maryland have filed bills to privatize via longterm P3 concession the Intercounty Connector (ICC) and the I-95 toll express lanes. Both would benefit by the greater respect for customers of private enterprise in place of the arrogant we-know-better stance of the MdTA as exemplified by their nannyish low speed limits for example, that dub the majority of motorists irresponsible speedsters.

QuoteBut the legislative initiative is unlikely to be successful. The ICC was funded in a complex set of arrangements so federal, state and county governments and bondholders would have to sign off on any deals. Also it seems unlikely they would come anywhere near to recouping the money the governments have put into them at this point. The ICC is only getting started as an operating pike and the I-95 Express Lanes aren't even open yet.

QuoteYet legislators do have an uncomplicated, surefire way to unlock value - in the state's only real turnpike.

Quote50th anniversary in the fall

QuoteNovember 14th will be the 50th anniversary of the opening by President John F Kennedy of what was called at the ceremony the "Delaware-Maryland Turnpike." The ribbon cutting was at the state border since the two states had collaborated to build their big turnpikes to open simultaneously since they depended on one another for connectivity and traffic. So the theme of Kennedy's speech was of the new highway as an exemplar of interstate cooperation. In Maryland the highway was known in construction as the Northeast Expressway. Opening the DE-MD Turnpike was Kennedy's last official act because only a few days later he died in Dallas TX at the hand of an assassin's bullets.

QuoteMaryland soon renamed the Northeast Expressway the John F Kennedy Memorial Highway in his honor, and it has been known ever since locally as the "JFK" or just as I-95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
I never really thought of 95 as a turnpike. I've always just thought of it as the way north with a toll for the Tidings Bridge. 50 years, geez, that part of 95's almost as old as the M6 :P
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2013, 03:22:05 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
I never really thought of 95 as a turnpike. I've always just thought of it as the way north with a toll for the Tidings Bridge. 50 years, geez, that part of 95's almost as old as the M6 :P

If you  look in the State Highway Administration's Highway Location Reference for Baltimore, Harford and Carroll Counties, you will see that all of it is classified as "TOLL MAINTENANCE" (in other words, maintained by the MdTA).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 08, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
I never really thought of 95 as a turnpike. I've always just thought of it as the way north with a toll for the Tidings Bridge. 50 years, geez, that part of 95's almost as old as the M6 :P

Once upon a time there were ramp tolls, but they were removed around 30 years ago or so.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2013, 05:09:38 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 08, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
I never really thought of 95 as a turnpike. I've always just thought of it as the way north with a toll for the Tidings Bridge. 50 years, geez, that part of 95's almost as old as the M6 :P

Once upon a time there were ramp tolls, but they were removed around 30 years ago or so.

The General Assembly ordered them removed in the early 1980's.  See Transportation Article § 4-312.1 (Elimination of ramp tolls on Kennedy Highway in Harford and Cecil counties). 

Prior to about 1982, it was not possible to drive the section of I-95 between Md. 43 (White Marsh) and Md. 279 (Elkton) without paying a toll, either at the main barrier at Perryville, or at an (exact change only) coin-drop ramp toll barrier.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
This sounds like one of the few cases where a toll road was downgraded into a regular freeway. I bet if 95 were still a toll road today they would not be considering removing the tolls now. Not that they removed them completely, considering the NB toll still in place across the Tidings.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
This sounds like one of the few cases where a toll road was downgraded into a regular freeway. I bet if 95 were still a toll road today they would not be considering removing the tolls now. Not that they removed them completely, considering the NB toll still in place across the Tidings.

Virginia has detolled many toll roads and some toll crossings.

Maryland has not fully de-tolled any toll roads or toll crossings, though the WPL (Bay) Bridge, the Hatem Bridge and the Gov. Harry Nice Bridge were all converted to one-way tolling in the early 1990's, along with the JFK Highway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 08, 2013, 10:36:52 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
Maryland has not fully de-tolled any toll roads or toll crossings
As best as I can tell, Wicomico County bought two ferries in the early 1950s and removed tolls. One used to be on MD 548.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on March 09, 2013, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
This sounds like one of the few cases where a toll road was downgraded into a regular freeway. I bet if 95 were still a toll road today they would not be considering removing the tolls now. Not that they removed them completely, considering the NB toll still in place across the Tidings.
A more recent example is I-190 in the city of Buffalo (the Grand Island bridge tolls remain).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on March 11, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 08, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
I never really thought of 95 as a turnpike. I've always just thought of it as the way north with a toll for the Tidings Bridge. 50 years, geez, that part of 95's almost as old as the M6 :P

Once upon a time there were ramp tolls, but they were removed around 30 years ago or so.
Did Delaware have ramp tolls at Exit 1? I swear there's a toll plaza "mat" (large concrete area) right at the top of the I-95 SB ramp to DE 896 NB. Why would those have been removed? It would have cut down on shunpiking!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2013, 08:50:06 PM
Quote from: Steve on March 11, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 08, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
I never really thought of 95 as a turnpike. I've always just thought of it as the way north with a toll for the Tidings Bridge. 50 years, geez, that part of 95's almost as old as the M6 :P

Once upon a time there were ramp tolls, but they were removed around 30 years ago or so.
Did Delaware have ramp tolls at Exit 1? I swear there's a toll plaza "mat" (large concrete area) right at the top of the I-95 SB ramp to DE 896 NB. Why would those have been removed? It would have cut down on shunpiking!

Delaware did have ramp tolls, though I can't confirm which exits had them because I don't ever remember us using any of the exits on that road when the tolls were there. But yes, the reason the ramps straighten and widen is because of those long-gone ramp tolls.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 11, 2013, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: Steve on March 11, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 08, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 08, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
I never really thought of 95 as a turnpike. I've always just thought of it as the way north with a toll for the Tidings Bridge. 50 years, geez, that part of 95's almost as old as the M6 :P

Once upon a time there were ramp tolls, but they were removed around 30 years ago or so.
Did Delaware have ramp tolls at Exit 1? I swear there's a toll plaza "mat" (large concrete area) right at the top of the I-95 SB ramp to DE 896 NB. Why would those have been removed? It would have cut down on shunpiking!

Yes, there were definitely tolls entering I-95 northbound from Del. 896 and exiting I-95 southbound to Del. 896.  And at several of the interchanges north (east) of Del. 896 as well - I believe the most-distant ones were at present-day Delaware 1/Delaware 7 (Exit 4 now).  I have a vague memory that the auto toll on the Delaware Turnpike ramps was 5¢ or maybe 10¢.

I don't exactly remember when the Delaware ramp tolls were removed - I think it may have been before the Maryland General Assembly ordered MdTA to get rid of theirs in the early 1980's (who knows, maybe they got the idea from Delaware).  The only place where there were never ramp tolls in the JFK Highway corridor was at Md. 279 (Exit 109, Elkton), which featured "free" movements in all directions (maybe that's why the truck stops grew up there) - and, of course, the never-tolled section of the Northeast Expressway/JFK Highway between I-895 (Exit 62 today) and Md. 43 (Exit 67).

Before I-95 was completed through Baltimore City via the Fort McHenry Tunnel in 1985, the signs southbound approaching I-895 had that marked as TO I-95 South.

EDIT: AAROADS has a 1973 Rand McNally of Delaware which clearly shows it as tolled all the way to the I-95/I-295 "split," which seems about right (complete with U.S. 301N and U.S. 301S): 

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/image/1973de.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on March 11, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
I notice today's exit 109 in MD was exit 9 when I-95 was tolled.

It looks weird without the winding, tolled DE 1 twisting around US 13.  Also, DE 1 was DE 14 back then from Milford to the state line. And no US 9.  Amazing what happens in 40 years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 12, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
Channel 4 news last night had a story about a woman who's outraged that she got a ticket for going 63 mph in the 65-mph zone "between the Beltways" on I-95. What they don't emphasize enough is that she was driving in the left lane. They mention it, but it's almost certainly her failure to keep to the right that motivated the cop to write the ticket–to which I say, good for the cop. It's too bad more of them don't enforce this sort of thing.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Driving-2-MPH-Under-Speed-Limit_-Md_-Woman-Gets-Ticket_Washington-DC.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 12, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on March 11, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
I notice today's exit 109 in MD was exit 9 when I-95 was tolled.

Yeah.  Prior to sometime in the 1980's, the  JFK Highway had its own set of exit numbers, starting with Exit 1, which I believe was I-695, and Exit 2 at Md. 43 at White Marsh. 

See snippet of the 1979/1980 Maryland SHA map below, which shows the fully-tolled JFK Highway with exit numbers starting at 3 (large file, about 1.7 MB, which is why you have to click the link to see it):

http://www.toward.com/cpz/jfkmap.jpg (http://www.toward.com/cpz/jfkmap.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 12, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 12, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on March 11, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
I notice today's exit 109 in MD was exit 9 when I-95 was tolled.

Yeah.  Prior to sometime in the 1980's, the  JFK Highway had its own set of exit numbers, starting with Exit 1, which I believe was I-695, and Exit 2 at Md. 43 at White Marsh. 

See snippet of the 1979/1980 Maryland SHA map below, which shows the fully-tolled JFK Highway with exit numbers starting at 3 (large file, about 1.7 MB, which is why you have to click the link to see it):

http://www.toward.com/cpz/jfkmap.jpg (http://www.toward.com/cpz/jfkmap.jpg)

IIRC, that situation was part of what motivated Maryland to switch to milepost numbering in the early 1980s: Much like I-87 in New York or I-95 in Maine, Maryland's portion of I-95 had three different sets of exit numbers at that time–the Capital Beltway sequential numbers that ascended clockwise around the loop from US-1 in Virginia (Exit 1) to I-295 in Maryland (Exit 38), the "between-the-Beltways" numbers that (I believe) ascended northbound, and then a third set of sequential numbers on the JFK Highway. I don't remember how the numbers worked on the "between-the-Beltways" segment back then (and it also bears noting that I-95 was discontinuous at that time because the Fort McHenry Tunnel wasn't finished).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 12, 2013, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 12, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
Channel 4 news last night had a story about a woman who's outraged that she got a ticket for going 63 mph in the 65-mph zone "between the Beltways" on I-95. What they don't emphasize enough is that she was driving in the left lane. They mention it, but it's almost certainly her failure to keep to the right that motivated the cop to write the ticket–to which I say, good for the cop. It's too bad more of them don't enforce this sort of thing.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Driving-2-MPH-Under-Speed-Limit_-Md_-Woman-Gets-Ticket_Washington-DC.html

She was cited for Nestoring, properly known as Transportation Article §21—301(b) (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmStatutesText.aspx?article=gtr&section=21-301&ext=html&session=2013RS&tab=subject5), which reads:

Quoteb)   On every roadway, except while overtaking and passing another vehicle going in the same direction or when preparing for a lawful left turn, any vehicle going 10 miles an hour or more below the applicable maximum speed limit or, if any existing conditions reasonably require a speed below that of the applicable maximum, at less than the normal speed of traffic under these conditions, shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.

Will a District Court judge agree with the interpretation of that statute that the Maryland State Police used?

I cannot say, though complaining to the police seems like a waste of time.  In Maryland, only the State's Attorney for the county where the infraction took place can void a traffic summons or citation once it is issued.  Or she can contest it in District Court - a judge might just find her not guilty.

I-95 Exit 33 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=laurel+md&hl=en&ll=39.099926,-76.889534&spn=0.019683,0.02768&sll=39.096629,-76.876917&sspn=0.039368,0.055361&t=h&gl=us&hnear=Laurel,+Prince+George%27s,+Maryland&z=15) is Md. 198 (Sandy Spring Road) in northern Prince George's County.  Posted limit is 65 MPH, and the 85th percentile speed is probably more like 75 MPH.

The only acceptable reason for being in the left lane for very long (and not going at least 65) is if she had entered the freeway from Md. 32 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbia+md&hl=en&ll=39.158185,-76.827822&spn=0.019667,0.02768&sll=39.099926,-76.889534&sspn=0.019683,0.02768&t=h&gl=us&hnear=Columbia,+Howard,+Maryland&z=15), which has left-side entrance ramps (and the left-side merge is often tough there).  But she had plenty of miles to get over to one of the other lanes (if she entered from 32).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 12, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
"if any existing conditions reasonably require a speed below that of the applicable maximum, at less than the normal speed of traffic under these conditions"

This means that it's only illegal to drive 2 under in the left lane if the normal is less than the speed limit. She did nothing illegal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 12, 2013, 08:04:40 PM
MyEasternShoreMd.com: SHA to Hold Meeting About Proposed Overpass for Routes 301 and 304 (http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/queen_annes_county/article_0e43d3c6-8b54-11e2-884a-0019bb2963f4.html)

QuoteCENTREVILLE — The community is invited and encouraged to attend a State Highway Administration meeting about the proposed overpass at Routes 301 and 304. It will be held in the cafeteria of Queen Anne's County High School on Tuesday April 30, from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m.

QuoteThe public meeting will include visual displays of the project, a presentation given by SHA, and an opportunity for public comments and questions. "We are urging citizens to come to the high school for this meeting, and that would include those in the western part of the county as well,"  said County Commissioner Phil Dumenil. "This is a county wide public safety issue and we need this over-pass."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 13, 2013, 06:07:19 AM
WTOP Radio: U.S. 29, a popular alternate to I-95 in Maryland (http://www.wtop.com/654/3249109/US-29-popular-alternate-to-I-95)

QuoteSILVER SPRING, Md. - It's known by several names: U.S. 29, Colesville Road and Columbia Pike. It's a road many people use to commute between D.C. and Baltimore to avoid the hassle of Interstate 95 or the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.

Quote"I use it almost every day to commute because I work in Olney and I live inside the Beltway," says Jessie Manning of Silver Spring.

QuoteShe takes U.S. 29 to the InterCounty Connector to Interstate 370 and consciously chooses it over I-95. And she's not alone.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 13, 2013, 06:45:22 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 12, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
IIRC, that situation was part of what motivated Maryland to switch to milepost numbering in the early 1980s: Much like I-87 in New York or I-95 in Maine, Maryland's portion of I-95 had three different sets of exit numbers at that time–the Capital Beltway sequential numbers that ascended clockwise around the loop from US-1 in Virginia (Exit 1) to I-295 in Maryland (Exit 38), the "between-the-Beltways" numbers that (I believe) ascended northbound, and then a third set of sequential numbers on the JFK Highway. I don't remember how the numbers worked on the "between-the-Beltways" segment back then (and it also bears noting that I-95 was discontinuous at that time because the Fort McHenry Tunnel wasn't finished).

This is absolutely correct.

I did not really agree with SHA's decision to change the exit numbers on the  Capital Beltway, but the motivation was for the reasons you state above.  And it was pretty  nutty to have three sets of numbers in one (relatively) small state.

Regarding the "Between the Beltways" exit numbering on I-95, at the state, if memory serves, I think the exits were not numbered when the ribbon was cut in about 1973 or 1974, though at that point, I-95 through College Park and West Hyattsville into D.C. was still being discussed and studied.

At one point, there was also discussion about using the Baltimore-Washington Parkway for I-95 inside the Capital Beltway (it would not have been all that difficult or expensive to upgrade the Parkway to Interstate standards, though I think there were major issues with Section 4(f) (http://www.environment.fhwa.dot.gov/4f/index.asp) [of the U.S. Department of Transportation Act of 1967], not only because the Parkway itself is considered parkland, but because the Parkway goes right through Greenbelt Park (IMO, one of the hidden gems of the National Park Service).

And through  Baltimore, I-95 was not completed until the Fort McHenry Tunnel opened in 1985 (prior to that, the only through routing was the I-895 Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway, prominently signed as "TO I-95").
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 13, 2013, 06:47:20 AM
MyEasternShoreMd.com: Commercial stops snag tired truckers (http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/kent_county/article_23b40894-8a6d-11e2-8643-001a4bcf887a.html)

QuoteCHESTERTOWN - For the second year, the Kent County Sheriff's Office has reported on commercial vehicle inspection stops.

QuoteIn 2012, there were 352 commercial vehicle stops. Most were on U.S. Route 301 or state Route 213, especially around Galena and Massey, where some truckers try to avoid weigh stations.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on March 13, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 12, 2013, 11:09:17 AM

IIRC, that situation was part of what motivated Maryland to switch to milepost numbering in the early 1980s: Much like I-87 in New York or I-95 in Maine, Maryland's portion of I-95 had three different sets of exit numbers at that time—the Capital Beltway sequential numbers that ascended clockwise around the loop from US-1 in Virginia (Exit 1) to I-295 in Maryland (Exit 38), the "between-the-Beltways" numbers that (I believe) ascended northbound, and then a third set of sequential numbers on the JFK Highway. I don't remember how the numbers worked on the "between-the-Beltways" segment back then (and it also bears noting that I-95 was discontinuous at that time because the Fort McHenry Tunnel wasn't finished).

I haven't been to the west side of the Capital Beltway, so I wouldn't know, but does 95's numbering around the beltway screw with 495's numbering?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 13, 2013, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on March 13, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 12, 2013, 11:09:17 AM

IIRC, that situation was part of what motivated Maryland to switch to milepost numbering in the early 1980s: Much like I-87 in New York or I-95 in Maine, Maryland's portion of I-95 had three different sets of exit numbers at that time—the Capital Beltway sequential numbers that ascended clockwise around the loop from US-1 in Virginia (Exit 1) to I-295 in Maryland (Exit 38), the "between-the-Beltways" numbers that (I believe) ascended northbound, and then a third set of sequential numbers on the JFK Highway. I don't remember how the numbers worked on the "between-the-Beltways" segment back then (and it also bears noting that I-95 was discontinuous at that time because the Fort McHenry Tunnel wasn't finished).

I haven't been to the west side of the Capital Beltway, so I wouldn't know, but does 95's numbering around the beltway screw with 495's numbering?

It did originally.  The last Maryland exit on that side was 41 at the Clara Barton Parkway, then on the south  side of the Potomac was Exit 14 for the George Washington Memorial Parkway (which  dated back to 1964).  But VDOT renumbered the exits from the GWMP south to Springfield, so they are now consistent.

For the I-95/I-495 section of the Virginia Beltway, the I-95 exit numbering system is used, which means that the last exit in Virginia is Exit 176.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2013, 03:46:24 PM
Yes, in Virginia. The exit numbers ascend anti-clockwise in a continuation of Maryland's until you pass through the Springfield Interchange, which is Exit 57 on the Outer Loop. From there east to the Wilson Bridge it uses I-95's exit numbers, so the next exit (Van Dorn Street, which would be Exit 60 if the Beltway numbers prevailed) is Exit 173. It continues to Exit 177 in Virginia. On the Inner Loop, the Springfield Interchange is Exit 170 (same as on northbound I-95).

The Van Dorn Street exit is the one nearest to where I live and the number is no big deal to us but can be a big nuisance when giving somebody directions because of how it jumps from 57 to 173. That's one of many reasons why I don't rely solely on exit numbers when giving directions!


Edited to add: cpzilliacus posted while I was typing. Exit 176 is Telegraph Road; Exit 177 is US-1 just east of there. The last milepost in Virginia is Exit 178 as you ascend the western side of the Wilson Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on March 13, 2013, 04:06:42 PM
I thought something was up, because I remember a long while ago that they had 'Old Exit #' plates over the exit tabs. This was when SB 95 still exited on the right with a 1.5 lane exit at the Springfield interchange though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
Yeah, the way it evolved is:

Originally the Beltway had one set of numbers going clockwise from Exit 1 in Alexandria, Virginia, at US-1 on around to Exit 38 at I-295 right across the river from Exit 1. There was no Exit 22; it was planned but never built.

In part due to the screwy exit numbering on I-95, Maryland switched to milepost-based exit numbering in the early 1980s. Their numbers then became as they are now, starting with Exit 2 at I-295 and ascending anti-clockwise to Exit 41 at the (then) George Washington Parkway on the Maryland side (later renamed the Clara Barton Parkway to avoid confusion with the Virginia GW Parkway). The reason for going anti-clockwise on a beltway, when the MUTCD normally calls for going clockwise, is because the presence of I-95 on the eastern part of the Beltway trumped the normal rule.

Virginia didn't change to milepost numbering until the early 1990s but, when they did, they left the Beltway alone. At some point a new exit was added in Virginia between Exits 2 and 3 and it was numbered Exit 3A. So you still had Exit 1 to Exit 14 in Virginia in sequential order, plus the new Exit 3A.

Evidently some people found the numbering confusing and in the early 2000s Virginia decided to continue Maryland's milepost-based sequence on down to Springfield and then to use I-95's numbers for the remaining segment.

I've never understood why it was supposedly confusing to have the two states' numbers be non-continuous. Exit numbers reset at state lines all the time and it's arguably the exception rather than the rule to have them continue (though off the top of my head I can't say I can think of another beltway I've driven on that enters two states; I-495 in Delaware, which might touch Pennsylvania at one end, is not a good example, and I-295 in Delaware/New Jersey isn't really either). I suspect, though I do not know for sure, that part of the issue was that both Virginia and Maryland had an "Exit 2" located within four miles of each other and that some people got lost as a result. There were a few other duplicated numbers as well; as I say, I don't see why that was confusing, but evidently it was.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on March 13, 2013, 05:23:58 PM
Probably because the state lines are very poorly signed there.  The only crossing that has them is the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, probably because of I-95.  As far as I know, there is no other state welcome sign on any highway in the area.  Unless you can tell the difference between the road signs (and let's be honest, Joe driver probably can't), you can't even tell you crossed a state boundary.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2013, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: deanej on March 13, 2013, 05:23:58 PM
Probably because the state lines are very poorly signed there.  The only crossing that has them is the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, probably because of I-95.  As far as I know, there is no other state welcome sign on any highway in the area.  Unless you can tell the difference between the road signs (and let's be honest, Joe driver probably can't), you can't even tell you crossed a state boundary.

The American Legion Bridge has welcome signs. At least it always has for as long as I can remember. To be fair, the one on the Inner Loop (entering Maryland) appears after you pass the first exit.

Street View here for Inner Loop (the Maryland welcome sign is in the distance on the right; you can see it underneath the BGS with the distances): http://goo.gl/maps/WgSDW  If you pan it around and click into Virginia, you'll see the Virginia welcome sign below and to the right of the BGS for the first two exits.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on March 13, 2013, 08:57:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2013, 05:31:11 PM
Street View here for Inner Loop (the Maryland welcome sign is in the distance on the right; you can see it underneath the BGS with the distances): http://goo.gl/maps/WgSDW  If you pan it around and click into Virginia, you'll see the Virginia welcome sign below and to the right of the BGS for the first two exits.

Or you can see the Maryland welcome sign right here on AARoads:

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/maryland495/i-495_il_exit_041_04.jpg)

The Virginia one is tucked behind the first sign bridge one sees while entering from MD:

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia495/i-495_ol_exit_043_04.jpg)

It should get better placement, such as the way the Welcome Sign is posted on the WWB (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/maryland095/i-095_sb_exit_177b_10.jpg).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 14, 2013, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
There was no Exit 22; it was planned but never built.

Exit 22 was supposed to have been the Northern Parkway, which  was to have been an extension of 16th Street, running across Md. 97 (Georgia Avenue), then under the Capital Beltway near Holy  Cross Hospital.  From the time that this section of the Beltway was built to 2001, there was a full-sized underpass for the Parkway near Holy Cross.  Several bridges were re-decked in 2000/2001, and that bridge was removed and replaced by a much smaller structure that provides space for the Sligo Creek bike trail and not much else.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on March 14, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2013, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: deanej on March 13, 2013, 05:23:58 PM
Probably because the state lines are very poorly signed there.  The only crossing that has them is the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, probably because of I-95.  As far as I know, there is no other state welcome sign on any highway in the area.  Unless you can tell the difference between the road signs (and let's be honest, Joe driver probably can't), you can't even tell you crossed a state boundary.

The American Legion Bridge has welcome signs. At least it always has for as long as I can remember. To be fair, the one on the Inner Loop (entering Maryland) appears after you pass the first exit.

Street View here for Inner Loop (the Maryland welcome sign is in the distance on the right; you can see it underneath the BGS with the distances): http://goo.gl/maps/WgSDW  If you pan it around and click into Virginia, you'll see the Virginia welcome sign below and to the right of the BGS for the first two exits.
Oh my god those signs are so tiny!  No wonder I never saw them when my family went to DC a couple of years ago.  I was too busy trying to photograph the guide signs to see the small welcome signs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2013, 07:29:43 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 12, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
Channel 4 news last night had a story about a woman who's outraged that she got a ticket for going 63 mph in the 65-mph zone "between the Beltways" on I-95. What they don't emphasize enough is that she was driving in the left lane. They mention it, but it's almost certainly her failure to keep to the right that motivated the cop to write the ticket–to which I say, good for the cop. It's too bad more of them don't enforce this sort of thing.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Driving-2-MPH-Under-Speed-Limit_-Md_-Woman-Gets-Ticket_Washington-DC.html

According to Channel 4 in Washington (WRC, NBC), the Nestoring ticket has been dismissed.

Driver: Too Slow in Left Lane Ticket Dismissed -
Woman cited driving 63 in a 65 mph zone Friday on Interstate 95 (http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Driver-Too-Slow-in-Left-Lane-Ticket-Dismissed-197834481.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 15, 2013, 07:49:30 AM
Good. Cops should enforce the laws as written, not as they think they read. Ignorance of the law and all that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 15, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
What a woman.  Fails to keep right, blames weather (as if all laws should be ignored when it's not a sunny, calm, warm day).  Calls up news agency to whine about ticket.  Doesn't want name used though.  News agency writes up story, not about woman blocking left lane ignoring basic keep right rules, but rather how she was driving below the speed limit and still got a ticket.  State Police decide they have better things to do then deal with a bunch of fellow LLDs complaining about driving below the flow of traffic in the left lane.

If I'm driving below the speed limit, can I have a beer?  Can I complain to the local news if I'm arrested, claiming that since I was below the speed limit, it should be perfectly fine for me to have a beer while driving?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 15, 2013, 07:49:30 AM
Good. Cops should enforce the laws as written, not as they think they read. Ignorance of the law and all that.

a speeding ticket for 63 in a 65 seems awfully suspect.  "driving too fast for conditions" might apply but it seems to be stretching it.

does Maryland have a "failure to keep right" law?  if so, they should have cited her based on that.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on March 15, 2013, 12:13:32 PM
Don't all states have laws against impeding traffic flow?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2013, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 15, 2013, 07:49:30 AM
Good. Cops should enforce the laws as written, not as they think they read. Ignorance of the law and all that.

a speeding ticket for 63 in a 65 seems awfully suspect.  "driving too fast for conditions" might apply but it seems to be stretching it.

On the "Between the Beltways" section of I-95, the freeway is wide, mostly straight and mostly flat.  It was designed and engineered in the years after the Capital Beltway was opened to traffic, and the most of the mistakes made with the Beltway were not repeated.  The design speed (informally, in my opinion) is 75 MPH or maybe even 80 MPH.

Going 62 in the left lane is Nestoring, and the State Police were right to issue her a ticket.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
does Maryland have a "failure to keep right" law?  if so, they should have cited her based on that.

No.  There are some segments of freeway that have signs telling slower traffic to keep right (I-95 is not one of them).  If someone Nestors on a freeway that has such signs, then I suppose the Nestoring driver could be cited for failure to obey an official traffic control device.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 15, 2013, 12:50:26 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2013, 12:20:48 PM
Going 62 in the left lane is Nestoring, and the State Police were right to issue her a ticket.
It's never right to issue a ticket that doesn't apply.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
by not having a "slow traffic keep right" law, Maryland is setting itself up for failure.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: oscar on March 15, 2013, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
by not having a "slow traffic keep right" law, Maryland is setting itself up for failure.

Or at least a law like Virginia's, generally requiring left-lane traffic to move right to yield to overtaking traffic.

Best would be to adopt Texas' "left lane for passing only" (or "only for passing", I forget the exact language) signs, which I saw a lot of earlier this month driving through the panhandle.  Lane discipline there is noticeably better than in adjacent states such as New Mexico. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2013, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: oscar on March 15, 2013, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
by not having a "slow traffic keep right" law, Maryland is setting itself up for failure.

Or at least a law like Virginia's, generally requiring left-lane traffic to move right to yield to overtaking traffic.

Best would be to adopt Texas' "left lane for passing only" (or "only for passing", I forget the exact language) signs, which I saw a lot of earlier this month driving through the panhandle.  Lane discipline there is noticeably better than in adjacent states such as New Mexico.

On four lane freeways (and four lane rural arterials, yes, this makes sense). 

On wider roads?  Not always.  Especially when approaching a major "split" in the freeway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: oscar on March 15, 2013, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2013, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: oscar on March 15, 2013, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
by not having a "slow traffic keep right" law, Maryland is setting itself up for failure.

Or at least a law like Virginia's, generally requiring left-lane traffic to move right to yield to overtaking traffic.

Best would be to adopt Texas' "left lane for passing only" (or "only for passing", I forget the exact language) signs, which I saw a lot of earlier this month driving through the panhandle.  Lane discipline there is noticeably better than in adjacent states such as New Mexico.

On four lane freeways (and four lane rural arterials, yes, this makes sense). 

On wider roads?  Not always.  Especially when approaching a major "split" in the freeway.

For major splits, and also left exits/entrances, there could be signs waiving the "left lane for passing only" requirement.  (For left turns on non-freeways, the signs could explicitly allow an exception for left-turning traffic -- but the signs in Texas don't state that exception even on four-lane divided highways with at-grade crossings.)  Then have signs thereafter, reimposing the restriction.  Similar to how truck restrictions in the left (or left two) lanes are handled.  That'd have the side benefit of underscoring that "left lane only for passing" is the general rule, and exceptions are not left to the Nestors of this world. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2013, 09:59:20 PM
Baltimore Sun: Big I-95 project planned in Harford faces long delay - $2 billion expansion, express toll lanes put on ice because of lack of funding (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/belair/ph-ag-interstate95-section200-315-20130315,0,2411576.story)

QuoteAlthough workers building express toll lanes have become a common sight on I-95 in eastern Baltimore County, Harford County residents should not expect to see the same thing on their side of the Little Gunpowder Falls for many years, state highways officials say.

QuoteA $2 billion Maryland Transportation Authority project to expand and add toll lanes to Section 200 of I-95 — between just north of the Route 43 interchange in White Marsh and the interchange with Route 22 near Aberdeen — has been put on hold until the MdTA can obtain the appropriate funding, John Sales, public affairs manager, said Thursday.

Quote"As far as we're concerned we're not intending to build those toll lanes on Section 200 any time soon until we get that funding in place," Sales explained.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on March 16, 2013, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: oscar on March 15, 2013, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
by not having a "slow traffic keep right" law, Maryland is setting itself up for failure.

Or at least a law like Virginia's, generally requiring left-lane traffic to move right to yield to overtaking traffic.

Best would be to adopt Texas' "left lane for passing only" (or "only for passing", I forget the exact language) signs, which I saw a lot of earlier this month driving through the panhandle.  Lane discipline there is noticeably better than in adjacent states such as New Mexico. 
Remind me to never drive in VA.  I'd probably be stuck going 55 behind some slow moron because traffic in the left lane of freeways is almost always moving faster than the speed limit, which I won't.  I don't want some speeder to cause my "no traffic tickets" streak to end.  There are countless stretches of highway where moving right will almost always cause me to be "boxed in" and unable to change lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: oscar on March 16, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: deanej on March 16, 2013, 12:04:13 PM
Remind me to never drive in VA.  I'd probably be stuck going 55 behind some slow moron because traffic in the left lane of freeways is almost always moving faster than the speed limit, which I won't.  I don't want some speeder to cause my "no traffic tickets" streak to end.  There are countless stretches of highway where moving right will almost always cause me to be "boxed in" and unable to change lanes.

Traffic in VA usually moves pretty quickly in the right lanes too, except for hilly parts of I-81 where slow trucks in the right lane (or, worse still, in both lanes when one truck inches past another) are an issue.  With that exception, if you drive the speed limit in the right lanes, you're unlikely to be stuck behind someone going even slower.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 16, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: deanej on March 16, 2013, 12:04:13 PM
Remind me to never drive in VA.  I'd probably be stuck going 55 behind some slow moron because traffic in the left lane of freeways is almost always moving faster than the speed limit, which I won't.  I don't want some speeder to cause my "no traffic tickets" streak to end.  There are countless stretches of highway where moving right will almost always cause me to be "boxed in" and unable to change lanes.

Driving in Virginia is fine.  Two overall suggestions are relevant:

(1) Never, ever get close to or above 80 MPH, regardless of the posted speed limit.

(2) If you are in a smallish municipality in Virginia, obey the posted speed limit on city streets, no matter how low or unreasonable it seems to be.  Specific examples of strict speed limit enforcement in the Commonwealth include Falls Church (the city police have nothing else to do); Hopewell (especially including the revenue-raising speed trap operation on I-295); Emporia (revenue-raising speed trap operations on I-95, U.S. 301 and U.S. 58); Berryville and Greene County (frequent speed traps on U.S. 29 between Charlottesville and Culpeper). Others in this thread might consider adding other strictly-enforced municipalities in Virginia.

(3) Remember also that in Virginia, municipal cops have the power to issue you a traffic ticket for a certain distance beyond the corporate limits of their city or town.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 16, 2013, 01:34:20 PM
WTOP Radio: Transportation hearing draws crowd, opposition in Md. (http://www.wtop.com/46/3253243/Transportation-hearing-draws-crowd-opposition-in-Md)

QuoteMore than 300 people turned out before the House Ways and Means Committee to discuss Gov. Martin O'Malley's plan to raise the gas tax and replenish the Transportation Trust Fund.

QuoteAccording to the Maryland Department of Transportation, the bill would generate about $800 million annually by 2016 and create $3.4 billion in transportation investments during the next five years.

QuoteBut the bill would also add a sales tax to gasoline, meaning the overall tax could increase from the current 23.5 cents to 42.7 cents by 2018.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 19, 2013, 02:46:51 AM
WTOP Radio reports on a water supply infrastructure failure that's impacting the state highway network (Md. 185, Connecticut Avenue) in Montgomery County: Water main break shuts down Connecticut Ave. in Chevy Chase (http://wtop.com/52/3255676/Water-main-break-shuts-down-Connecticut-Ave-in-Chevy-Chase)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 19, 2013, 03:00:33 AM
TOLLROADSnews: Maryland's I-95 Express Lanes not promising - high cost, slow work, low traffic (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6467)

QuoteSince Cofiroute, the French toller pioneered toll express lanes on the 91 Freeway nearly 20 years in the northeast corner of Orange County California such HOT or toll managed lanes have achieved a great record of success. But even the best ideas can be misapplied or poorly implemented.

QuoteThere's a disappointment very close here in Maryland - the I-95 Express Lanes (MD95ETLs) in the southern portion of the JFK Highway. These lead from the convergence of the northern approaches to the two Baltimore Harbor tunnels (Francis Scott Key Tunnel I-95 and Baltimore Harbor Tunnel I-895) up through the Baltimore Beltway I-695 and the MD43 interchange at White Marsh, a total of 8 miles.

QuoteA second section would extend this 14 miles and four interchanges further to serve the bedroom communities of Harford County.

QuoteThe project was planned ten and more years ago for traffic growth that hasn't occurred.  Planning for the first stage was part of a I-95 Master Plan study published April 2003 which based on Baltimore metro planning models forecast compound annual growth in traffic of 2.6%/year though a 2020 planning date from base traffic numbers in 2000. Even before the first portion of the planned express toll lanes (MD95ETLs) has opened are 12 years into the planning period 2000-2020.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 19, 2013, 01:12:21 PM
WTOP Radio: Former NBA great Adrian Dantley works as crossing guard in Montgomery Co. (VIDEO) (http://www.wtop.com/52/3255457/From-NBA-star-to-local-crossing-guard)

QuoteSILVER SPRING, Md. - Former NBA star and Olympian Adrian Dantley is spending his time off the court, out of the gym and in the middle of the street as a crossing guard for Montgomery County Public Schools.

QuoteDantley, who grew up in the area and played for DeMatha High School and Notre Dame before going pro, says he realizes it's an unexpected choice.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 20, 2013, 09:53:54 PM
North Potomac Patch reporting about a proposal from M-NCP&PC Montgomery County for Md. 355:   Planners Want Two Rockville Pike Lanes Assigned to Bus Network - Taking out two travel lanes from the Beltway to Western Avenue could add six minutes of travel time on the stretch for motorists by 2040. (http://northpotomac.patch.com/articles/planners-want-two-travel-lanes-dedicated-for-bus-network-on-rt-355-b799028f)

QuoteMontgomery County planners are recommending that two travel lanes of Rockville Pike from the Capital Beltway to Western Avenue be re-purposed as dedicated rapid transit bus lanes. Planners say the rapid transit route would draw high ridership, but drivers could see their afternoon rush trip increase by nearly six minutes from Western Avenue to Cedar Lane by 2040.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 20, 2013, 11:18:07 PM
WTOP Radio reporting about the same proposal from M-NCP&PC Montgomery County for Md. 355 and other corridors:  Bus rapid transit: Will it solve traffic problems in MoCo? (http://www.wtop.com/654/3255749/Bus-rapid-transit-Will-it-solve-traffic-problems-in-Montgomery-Co)

QuoteAs lawmakers in Annapolis debate a bill to fund projects like the Purple Line in Montgomery County, a plan for another mass transit option called bus rapid transit is also in the works.

Quote"There is already congestion on 29 and 355 (Rockville Pike)," says Larry Cole, Master Planner for the Montgomery County Planning Board, who presented a bus rapid transit plan on Monday evening. "The traffic doesn't move on 355 sometimes. So what do you do? Do you accept the situation that the traffic will get worse or find a better way to use the lanes?"

QuoteAccording to a recent Metropolitan Washington Council of Government report, the population in the Washington Metro region will go up 21 percent between now and 2040.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 22, 2013, 05:35:30 PM
Washington Post: Maryland House votes to boost transportation funds with gas tax increase (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-house-votes-to-boost-transportation-funds-with-gas-tax-increase/2013/03/22/350df848-92f6-11e2-8ea1-956c94b6b5b9_story.html)

QuoteThe Maryland House of Delegates voted 76 to 63 Friday to raise taxes on gas to help replenish a state transportation fund that is rapidly running out of money for highway construction and long-planned mass transit projects.

QuoteUnder the bill, a priority for Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), motorists could expect to pay roughly another 13 to 20 cents per gallon of gas by mid-2016, according to legislative analysts. The higher gas taxes would be phased in over several years, with the first increase of roughly 4 cents per gallon coming in July.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 29, 2013, 12:58:02 PM
Baltimore Sun: State Police safety dragnet in Baltimore takes 60 trucks off the road (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-hazmat-dragnet-20130327,0,1482144.story)

QuoteOne of every five commercial trucks pulled over in Baltimore by Maryland State Police inspectors during a two-day sweep this week was impounded for safety defects. In addition to the 114 defective trucks, 21 drivers were barred from driving for violations.

QuoteThe dragnet, the first in the city in six years, used 45 troopers from across the state to monitor highway ramps and prowl city streets. Trucks selected for inspection were either pulled over along Broening Highway and Fairfield Road, access roads to the port of Baltimore, or herded to a parking lot at M&T Bank Stadium.

QuoteDuring Tuesday and Wednesday, troopers carried out 562 inspections and issued 127 citations and 402 warnings. Offenses were as various as falsified log books, drivers spending too many hours behind the wheel, bad tires and defective brakes. Two men were arrested on outstanding warrants for failure to appear in court.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 30, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
Southern Maryland Newspapers:  Delegation parlays gas tax votes into project promises - Light rail, Nice Bridge, 301 upgrades would be added to state plan (http://www.somdnews.com/article/20130329/NEWS/130328821/1074/delegation-parlays-gas-tax-votes-into-project-promises&template=southernMaryland)

QuoteThe Maryland Department of Transportation will include in its six-year Consolidated Transportation Program funding to complete studies on a new light-rail line stretching from White Plains to the Branch Avenue Metro station in Marlow Heights, a replacement or expansion of the Gov. Harry W. Nice Memorial Bridge connecting Newburg to King George County, Va., and interchanges at the U.S. 301 intersections at Leonardtown Road and Mattawoman-Beantown Road in Waldorf, per an agreement with Gov. Martin O'Malley's (D) administration "as a condition for us voting for the bill,"  Middleton said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 31, 2013, 10:47:45 PM
Annapolis Evening Capital: Bay Bridge to be site of run in 2014 (http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/bay-bridge-to-be-site-of-run-in/article_be6be59e-0526-5f29-8623-f0d3c2aca866.html)

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority has agreed to allow a private group to host a 10K run across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge starting in the fall of 2014.

QuoteThe agreement among the MDTA, Queen Anne's County and Chesapeake Bay Bridge Run LLC, the group organizing the event, was announced this week.

QuoteThe first event will be held on Nov. 9, 2014. The agreement allows for subsequent runs in 2015 and 2016, said Sparrow Rogers, one of the event's organizers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 08, 2013, 05:46:42 PM
Channel 4 News just aired a report about new night speed limits in Montgomery County near a quarry, the goal being to reduce dump truck noise late at night.

I can't seem to get a direct URL on my iPad for the sign photo, so here's a link:

http://img.ly/u0WX
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 08, 2013, 06:04:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 08, 2013, 05:46:42 PM
Channel 4 News just aired a report about new night speed limits in Montgomery County near a quarry, the goal being to reduce dump truck noise late at night.

I can't seem to get a direct URL on my iPad for the sign photo, so here's a link:

http://img.ly/u0WX

It's commonly known as the Travilah Quarry, or the "Rockville Crushed Stone" quarry, located near the extreme west end of Shady Grove Road off of Piney Meetinghouse Road.  A  lot of the people living near there consider themselves to be in Potomac or North Potomac, and would (presumably) want to shut the quarrying operation down for an assortment of reasons (never mind that the quarry was there decades before most of the people doing the complaining arrived. 

I think that sign is on Shady Grove Road west (south) of Md. 28.

Google Maps (of the quarry) here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=13900+Piney+Meetinghouse+Road+Rockville,+MD%0920850&hl=en&ll=39.079075,-77.217622&spn=0.018623,0.038581&safe=off&hnear=13900+Piney+Meetinghouse+Rd,+Rockville,+Montgomery,+Maryland+20850&t=h&z=15).

Google Maps (of the sign) here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=13900+Piney+Meetinghouse+Road+Rockville,+MD%0920850&hl=en&ll=39.087336,-77.211549&spn=0.00931,0.01929&safe=off&hnear=13900+Piney+Meetinghouse+Rd,+Rockville,+Montgomery,+Maryland+20850&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.087418,-77.211489&panoid=vtRv2M78hRauUMAcOGfZiw&cbp=12,253.35,,1,0.67).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on April 08, 2013, 06:06:05 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 08, 2013, 05:46:42 PM
Channel 4 News just aired a report about new night speed limits in Montgomery County near a quarry, the goal being to reduce dump truck noise late at night.

I can't seem to get a direct URL on my iPad for the sign photo, so here's a link:

http://img.ly/u0WX
I've seen the night speed limit signs before.  They are on Shady Grove Road.  I did not know why that was done though.
http://goo.gl/maps/mGyLh
I noticed them more than a year ago so I don't know what would have caused them to do a news story now. 

I see that the quarry issue has been going on for years:
http://ww2.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2001/200111/potomac/news/47287-1.html
http://ww2.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2001/200113/potomac/news/48880-1.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 04, 2013, 12:24:16 AM
MyEasternShoreMd.com: Plans on track for 301/304 overpass (http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/queen_annes_county/article_62d91e78-b412-11e2-872d-0019bb2963f4.html)

QuoteCENTREVILLE - Concerned members of the community and several elected officials attended an informational meeting Tuesday, April 30, hosted by the Maryland State Highway Administration concerning the design for the proposed interchange at the intersection of US 301 (Blue Star Highway) and MD 304 (Ruthsburg Road).

QuoteRepresentatives of the SHA design team as well as advocates for the interchange and several lawmakers spoke to a crowd of about 100 people in the cafeteria of Queen Anne's County High School. Speakers included Del. Steve Hershey, R-36-Queen Anne's, a student from QACHS and the founders of the grassroots group Support Overpass 4 Students, which formed following the fall 2011 death of QACHS student Conor Rice, 15, who was killed in a traffic crash at the intersection on his way to school.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 04, 2013, 07:42:14 PM
Baltimore Sun: State hopes to ease some Baltimore-area traffic jams - Beltway has half of 10 worst bottlenecks (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-bz-top-bottlenecks-20130504,0,7636751.story)

QuoteIn the stop-and-go world of Baltimore-area traffic, there's a lot more braking than commuters and transportation officials would like.

QuoteTake Russell Allen, a Federal Hill resident who gets in his silver Ford Edge every weekday morning before 7:30 and steers south toward Fort Meade and the region's biggest bottleneck: Baltimore-Washington Parkway and Route 175.

QuoteThe trip starts fine. But around Route 100, Allen's windshield relfects a dazzling array of red taillights. "And it stays that way until I get to work – four miles and 20 minutes later," said Allen, 52, who works for the Army.

QuoteGoing in the opposite direction in late afternoon is even more excruciating, as northbound commuters try to merge with drivers who opted to leave work by Route 32, slightly more than two miles south. The resulting mixing bowl creates a daily backup that averages nearly 10 miles, according to the Baltimore Metropolitan Council.

QuoteNow that the General Assembly has approved a gas tax hike expected to generate $4.4 billion over the next six years, transportation officials see an opportunity to address some of the region's chronic trouble spots. They're planning to modify dangerous 1960s-style cloverleaf exchanges such as one at Harford Road and the Beltway – the second-worst bottleneck – and to make other localized remedies that cost a few million dollars.

QuoteBut fixing some problems – like the B-W Parkway – will happen "when we make cars that fly," deadpanned John Powell Jr., Howard County's transportation chief.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on May 06, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
I never do understand why anyone would rather take 295 to Washington than 95. Maybe during a non peak time, but rush hour has that freeway going slow for miles.

I sorta like those cloverleafs, but at the same time, wondering why they never clovecloed them, like US 40 on the west side.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 06, 2013, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on May 06, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
I never do understand why anyone would rather take 295 to Washington than 95. Maybe during a non peak time, but rush hour has that freeway going slow for miles.

Don't forget that the National Park Service is very  hard-core about the federally-maintained part of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway (from U.S. 50 and Md. 201 at Tuxedo in Prince George's County to Md. 175 at Odenton in Anne Arundel County) being a parkway and not a freeway, even though it enjoys full access control.

Quote from: kj3400 on May 06, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
I sorta like those cloverleafs, but at the same time, wondering why they never clovecloed them, like US 40 on the west side.

That sort of treatment is not a good idea when both roads have full access control with no traffic signals (and probably contrary to SHA policy).  I presume you mean the interchanges on the B-W Parkway at I-95/I-495 (Capital Beltway) (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=greenbelt+md&hl=en&ll=38.991738,-76.886101&spn=0.009323,0.01929&sll=39.114279,-76.777825&sspn=0.018613,0.038581&t=h&gl=us&hnear=Greenbelt,+Prince+George%27s,+Maryland&z=16) in Greenbelt and at Md. 32 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fort+George+G.+Meade,+MD&hl=en&ll=39.114279,-76.777825&spn=0.018613,0.038581&sll=39.286267,-76.738064&sspn=0.004642,0.009645&oq=fort+george&t=h&gl=us&hnear=Fort+Meade,+Anne+Arundel,+Maryland&z=15) (adjacent to Fort Meade).

The interchange in Greenbelt is clearly out of capacity, and the "weave" in the cloverleaf on the northbound side of the Parkway can cause queues of northbound traffic backing up for many miles, especially during the P.M. peak period commute, but fixing it is going to be expensive.  Consider that the Capital Beltway (Exit 19 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=springdale+md&hl=en&ll=38.945425,-76.858313&spn=0.009329,0.01929&sll=38.991738,-76.886101&sspn=0.009323,0.01929&t=h&gl=us&hnear=Springdale,+Prince+George%27s,+Maryland&z=16)) interchange at U.S. 50 was once a full cloverleaf, but is now three large flyovers (and the National Park Service probably  would not agree to something like that).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on May 06, 2013, 05:33:00 PM
Oh those interchanges. I thought we were talking about the Baltimore Beltway :P

Yes, the Capital Beltway and MD 32 interchanges deserve at least a clovestack, or a cloverleaf with both ramps diverging at the same time, like a stack, but on the same level. Hell, C-D lanes would do better than the current situation.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
On I-95 in Savage, MD, I noticed a VMS saying the "Welcome Center" rest area on the SB side would be closing temporarily.  Anyone know if this is for the project to triple the number of truck parking spaces there?  This is between MD-32 and MD-216.  (Note that this is NOT the Chesapeake House/Maryland House project.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mtantillo on May 07, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
That's not good. That is, since Maryland House is closed, and many many temporary signs have the mileage to the Howard County rest area as the next rest area on I-95. Are they really going to temporarily change all of those temporary signs, or are they going to, "break a promise" they made to drivers on signs no fewer than 10 times?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2013, 12:35:41 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
On I-95 in Savage, MD, I noticed a VMS saying the "Welcome Center" rest area on the SB side would be closing temporarily.  Anyone know if this is for the project to triple the number of truck parking spaces there?  This is between MD-32 and MD-216.  (Note that this is NOT the Chesapeake House/Maryland House project.)

Just repaving of both sides, but  one side at a time.  Daytime only, apparently.

I-95 WELCOME CENTERS TO CLOSE FOR DAYTIME PAVING (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1491)

QuoteClosures to Occur 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays, May 13 through June 30; Closures will Affect One Welcome Center at a Time Starting with Southbound Side
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2013, 12:36:53 AM
Quote from: mtantillo on May 07, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
That's not good. That is, since Maryland House is closed, and many many temporary signs have the mileage to the Howard County rest area as the next rest area on I-95. Are they really going to temporarily change all of those temporary signs, or are they going to, "break a promise" they made to drivers on signs no fewer than 10 times?

That's a very  good point.  I doubt that they have considered that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on May 07, 2013, 07:01:18 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2013, 12:35:41 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
On I-95 in Savage, MD, I noticed a VMS saying the "Welcome Center" rest area on the SB side would be closing temporarily.  Anyone know if this is for the project to triple the number of truck parking spaces there?  This is between MD-32 and MD-216.  (Note that this is NOT the Chesapeake House/Maryland House project.)

Just repaving of both sides, but  one side at a time.  Daytime only, apparently.

I-95 WELCOME CENTERS TO CLOSE FOR DAYTIME PAVING (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1491)

QuoteClosures to Occur 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays, May 13 through June 30; Closures will Affect One Welcome Center at a Time Starting with Southbound Side
Who comes up with a scheme to only close the welcome center during DAYTIME?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mtantillo on May 08, 2013, 12:17:51 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2013, 12:36:53 AM
Quote from: mtantillo on May 07, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
That's not good. That is, since Maryland House is closed, and many many temporary signs have the mileage to the Howard County rest area as the next rest area on I-95. Are they really going to temporarily change all of those temporary signs, or are they going to, "break a promise" they made to drivers on signs no fewer than 10 times?

That's a very  good point.  I doubt that they have considered that.

Yeah, if they are going to post very specific information, that should at least keep it up to date.  I suppose they would have to update the signs with distance to the Dale City rest areas in Virginia.  This is starting to seem like the infamous sign in Virginia on I-95 north in Carson saying the next rest area is in 180 miles (when Virginia temporarily closed its rest areas for budgetary reasons). 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mtantillo on May 08, 2013, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: Steve on May 07, 2013, 07:01:18 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2013, 12:35:41 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
On I-95 in Savage, MD, I noticed a VMS saying the "Welcome Center" rest area on the SB side would be closing temporarily.  Anyone know if this is for the project to triple the number of truck parking spaces there?  This is between MD-32 and MD-216.  (Note that this is NOT the Chesapeake House/Maryland House project.)

Just repaving of both sides, but  one side at a time.  Daytime only, apparently.

I-95 WELCOME CENTERS TO CLOSE FOR DAYTIME PAVING (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1491)

QuoteClosures to Occur 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays, May 13 through June 30; Closures will Affect One Welcome Center at a Time Starting with Southbound Side
Who comes up with a scheme to only close the welcome center during DAYTIME?

Yeah, this does seem like strange logic.  No parking when the Welcome Center is open, no Welcome Center when the parking is open!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 08, 2013, 06:41:17 AM
Quote from: Steve on May 07, 2013, 07:01:18 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2013, 12:35:41 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
On I-95 in Savage, MD, I noticed a VMS saying the "Welcome Center" rest area on the SB side would be closing temporarily.  Anyone know if this is for the project to triple the number of truck parking spaces there?  This is between MD-32 and MD-216.  (Note that this is NOT the Chesapeake House/Maryland House project.)

Just repaving of both sides, but  one side at a time.  Daytime only, apparently.

I-95 WELCOME CENTERS TO CLOSE FOR DAYTIME PAVING (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1491)

QuoteClosures to Occur 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays, May 13 through June 30; Closures will Affect One Welcome Center at a Time Starting with Southbound Side
Who comes up with a scheme to only close the welcome center during DAYTIME?

Probably driven by demand for truck parking, which is much higher in the overnight hours.

There's not nearly enough of it along I-95 between Emporia, Virginia and Wilmington, Delaware, and the (lack of) truck parking is even worse between Carmel Church/Ruther Glen, Va. and Perryville, Md.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 08, 2013, 06:48:34 AM
Quote from: mtantillo on May 08, 2013, 12:17:51 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2013, 12:36:53 AM
Quote from: mtantillo on May 07, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
That's not good. That is, since Maryland House is closed, and many many temporary signs have the mileage to the Howard County rest area as the next rest area on I-95. Are they really going to temporarily change all of those temporary signs, or are they going to, "break a promise" they made to drivers on signs no fewer than 10 times?

That's a very  good point.  I doubt that they have considered that.

Yeah, if they are going to post very specific information, that should at least keep it up to date.  I suppose they would have to update the signs with distance to the Dale City rest areas in Virginia.  This is starting to seem like the infamous sign in Virginia on I-95 north in Carson saying the next rest area is in 180 miles (when Virginia temporarily closed its rest areas for budgetary reasons).

I very  well remember that sign in Carson. 

I suppose for southbound I-95 traffic, they can encourage persons needing to stop for a rest room break to use the park-and-ride lot at College Park (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=college+park,+md&ll=39.016783,-76.952598&spn=0.00932,0.01929&safe=off&hnear=College+Park,+Prince+George%27s,+Maryland&gl=us&t=h&z=16) (which has port-a-potties).

With enough signage, SHA might even convert it to a temporary rest area (it also doubles as a truck weigh/inspection station, though it's not very big, and much of the parking capacity is used as a park-and-ride).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 21, 2013, 11:53:02 AM
One more traffic signal on my Eastern Shore trips.  Per an SHA release, they recently installed a traffic signal at US 113/MD 12 in Snow Hill (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1503).  The intersection has seen crashes off and on over the years, and the 4-laning of US 113 didn't help any.  I know at one point, there was talk of building an interchange or closing the median, but apparently that didn't come to pass.  IMO a J-turn would've been better than a signal.

According to the release, the signal goes active tomorrow.  Didn't take them long to put it in...5 weeks ago it was still just the flashing yellow light with no indication of anything else going on.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 21, 2013, 10:50:59 PM
Baltimore Sun: Man runs out of gas, sets up drum kit on Interstate 695 - Driver not cited and continued on his way after highway officials help (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/randallstown/bs-md-co-drums-stop-20130521,0,4361855.story)

QuoteIt wasn't the average traffic stop on the Baltimore Beltway Tuesday morning.

QuoteMaryland state troopers noticed a man playing a drum kit on the shoulder of the Interstate 695 inner loop, between Windsor Mill Road and Security Boulevard, around 10:30 a.m., a spokeswoman said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 25, 2013, 07:27:55 PM
Baltimore Sun: With traffic growing, state begins another study of Bay Bridge capacity - Two-year analysis will determine when a new crossing should be built (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-third-bay-crossing-20130508,0,5867276.story)

State workers ready to untangle Memorial Day traffic snarls - AAA Mid-Atlantic projects slight drop in holiday travel, despite lower gas prices from a year ago (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-memorial-day-20130520,0,7008966.story)


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 28, 2013, 05:32:09 PM
Trash truck vs. CSX train.  Trash truck appears to have lost, though the  train derailed.

This has impacted U.S. 40 (Pulaski Highway) near I-95 and I-895 in Baltimore County and Baltimore City. Apparently no direct impact on 95 or 895 themselves. Video of the resulting explosion is pretty spectacular.

Baltimore Sun: Train derails in Rosedale area (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bal-train-derails-in-white-marsh-20130528,0,6849185.story)

QuoteA CSX freight train derailed Tuesday afternoon in the Rosedale area, damaging nearby buildings, shutting down US Route 40 and causing a loud explosion that could be felt several miles away.

QuoteAuthorities in Baltimore County said the 15-car train struck a commercial truck near the 7500 block of Lake Drive, veering off the tracks near an industrial park. Initial reports were that no one was hurt, but County Executive Kevin Kamenetz later said the driver of the trailer was extricated and taken to Maryland Shock Trauma center in serious but stable condition.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 29, 2013, 09:11:38 PM
Baltimore Sun: Former Balto. Co. Exec. Smith to head state transportation department - O'Malley expected to announce former county executive to lead critical agency (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-smith-transportation-20130529,0,7623064.story)

QuoteGov. Martin O'Malley will turn to a longtime political ally, former Baltimore County Executive James T. Smith, to lead the Maryland Department of Transportation as it begins a new era of stepped-up construction, administration officials confirmed Tuesday.

QuoteO'Malley is expected to announce the appointment of Smith, 71, on Wednesday. His selection ends a search that has continued for more than a year – since former Transportation Secretary Beverly Swaim-Staley announced her departure last spring.

QuoteFormer Deputy Secretary Darrell Mobley has been running the department since Swaim-Staley left last summer. The administration officials said that Mobley will be offered another position in the administration. The officials did not name the post, but there is a vacancy in the high-ranking position of executive secretary of the Maryland Transportation Authority, which Mobley has chaired since Swaim-Staley left.

QuoteAn administration official said O'Malley had chosen Smith for his experience with financial management and development issues as county executive and his familiarity with the needs of local jurisdictions. The official said Smith is especially qualified to lead the state's efforts to forge public-private partnerships to build major projects with non-traditional financing – an approach bolstered by legislation that passed the General Assembly this year.


Smith appointment subtracts one from ticket speculation (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-smith-appointment-subtracts-one-from-ticket-speculation-20130529,0,6884070.story)

QuoteWednesday's appointment of former Baltimore County Executive James T. Smith Jr. as Maryland's secretary of transportation removes one prominent name from the guessing game over who the leading Democratic contenders for governor will choose as their running mates.

QuoteSmith said Wednesday that he has no interest in any job other than his new one running the transportation department. Gov. Martin O'Malley announced the appointment at a news conference with Smith at the site of a new Beltway expansion project near Frederick Road.

QuoteThe former county executive's name had been floated a few weeks before as a possible runnng mate choice by a campaign aide to Lt. Gov. Anthony G. Brown. The Brown gubernatorial campaign ended that speculation Wednesday when it confirmed that Ulman has accepted an invitation to run for lieutenant governor on Brown's ticket.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 30, 2013, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 28, 2013, 05:32:09 PM
Trash truck vs. CSX train.  Trash truck appears to have lost, though the  train derailed.

Story  below has a video of the trash truck being struck by the CSX locomotives.

Baltimore Sun: Company of trucker injured in train derailment has poor safety record - Alban Waste's federal safety compliance in bottom 10 percent of companies nationally (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-alban-waste-20130530,0,3380292.story)

QuoteThe waste-removal company owned by the trucker who was seriously injured when an oncoming CSX Corp. train collided with his truck in Rosedale on Tuesday had been flagged previously for having a poor safety record, according to federal transportation and state police records.

QuoteBecause of the accident, Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration regulators and inspectors with the Maryland State Police are planning a top-to-bottom compliance audit of the trucking company, Alban Waste.

QuoteOfficials plan to vet the company, its drivers and vehicles for any violations that had gone undetected in previous reviews, said Capt. Norman "Bill" Dofflemyer, head of the state police commercial vehicle enforcement division.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on June 04, 2013, 05:34:50 PM
Shame. That was a nice train. Also, that crossing should have at least had lights, though I'm sure there's some logical reason behind it not having them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 04, 2013, 09:53:28 PM
Baltimore Sun: State Police to inspect commercial vehicles on D.C.-area roadways (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-msp-roadcheck-20130604,0,2373178.story)

Washington Post: Trucks get the eye in annual massive safety inspection (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/trucks-get-the-eye-in-annual-massive-safety-inspection/2013/06/04/9eb01fbc-cd37-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html)

QuoteTo a child in love with trucks, the parade that rolled through a Landover parking lot Tuesday might have been better than the march of the elephants.

QuoteDump trucks, tractor-trailers, moving vans, tank trucks, car carriers, tow trucks, delivery vans, a tow truck pulling a truck, a flatbed truck loaded with a shiny red farm harvester and another sagging with the weight of an enormous crane.

QuoteWaved off the inner loop of the Capital Beltway by insistent Maryland state troopers, they entered the lot near FedEx Field by the hundreds, where teams of state police inspectors waited to check them out in an annual ritual repeated this week at almost 2,500 locations nationwide.

QuoteTrucks are inspected every day in the United States, sometimes at the side of the road and often at truck weighing stations, and the blitz of inspections every June is intended to showcase the process and underscore its importance.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on June 07, 2013, 10:35:16 PM
Speed cameras are continuing their trek west from the Baltimore-Washington area.  Now cameras will be focused on I-68 in Cumberland.  Oddly enough, they will be enforcing a 55 MPH speed limit, even though I believe the work zone enters a normally 40 MPH zone.

Cumberland Times News:  Speeders: Say Cheese (http://times-news.com/local/x765613863/Speeders-Say-cheese)

QuoteSpeed cameras will be installed for the first time in Allegany County on eastbound Interstate 68 in the area west of U.S. Route 220 to east of Kelly Road as part of the Maryland State Highway Administration's SafeZones program.

Beginning Monday, warnings will be issued for an initial 21-day period through June 30.

QuoteSHA is rehabilitating the I-68 bridges over Kelly Road and Patterson Avenue, a project that includes a complete replacement of the driving surfaces, as well as additional work, to extend the life of the nearly 50-year-old structures.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 08, 2013, 01:50:38 PM
For some reason, there are a lot of fatal wrecks on the Capital Beltway (I-95/I-495) between Exit 2 (I-295, near the  Wilson Bridge) and Exit 19 (U.S. 50, John Hanson Highway). Here's the latest, at Ritchie-Marlboro Road.

WTOP Radio: Fatal accident shuts down Beltway's Outer Loop (http://www.wtop.com/41/3351504/Driver-killed-in-crash-on-Outer-Loop)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 09, 2013, 03:54:07 PM

QuoteSpeed cameras will be installed for the first time in Allegany County on eastbound Interstate 68 in the area west of U.S. Route 220 to east of Kelly Road as part of the Maryland State Highway Administration's SafeZones program.

Beginning Monday, warnings will be issued for an initial 21-day period through June 30.
Now's your chance to speed recklessly and get a free warning to put up on your wall!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on June 09, 2013, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 09, 2013, 03:54:07 PM

QuoteSpeed cameras will be installed for the first time in Allegany County on eastbound Interstate 68 in the area west of U.S. Route 220 to east of Kelly Road as part of the Maryland State Highway Administration's SafeZones program.

Beginning Monday, warnings will be issued for an initial 21-day period through June 30.
Now's your chance to speed recklessly and get a free warning to put up on your wall!

I'd take one if I lived anywhere near there.  I never get through one of those camera zones in the warning period (even so, there might not be a camera there).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 10, 2013, 05:49:40 PM
I have to think someone was going way too fast, even if the Nissan (presumably) did not have the right-of-way.

WTOP Radio: Police ID 3 family members killed in Aspen Hill collision (http://www.wtop.com/52/3352566/Child-father-uncle-killed-in-Md-collision)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on June 11, 2013, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on June 07, 2013, 10:35:16 PM
Speed cameras are continuing their trek west from the Baltimore-Washington area.  Now cameras will be focused on I-68 in Cumberland.  Oddly enough, they will be enforcing a 55 MPH speed limit, even though I believe the work zone enters a normally 40 MPH zone.

Cumberland Times News:  Speeders: Say Cheese (http://times-news.com/local/x765613863/Speeders-Say-cheese)

QuoteSpeed cameras will be installed for the first time in Allegany County on eastbound Interstate 68 in the area west of U.S. Route 220 to east of Kelly Road as part of the Maryland State Highway Administration's SafeZones program.

Beginning Monday, warnings will be issued for an initial 21-day period through June 30.

QuoteSHA is rehabilitating the I-68 bridges over Kelly Road and Patterson Avenue, a project that includes a complete replacement of the driving surfaces, as well as additional work, to extend the life of the nearly 50-year-old structures.




It looks like the area the cameras are covering stops just short of the change into the 40-mph speed limit near the Johnson Street exit, if I'm reading the article correctly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 13, 2013, 09:54:35 AM
Baltimore Sun: Back Story: Bay Bridge was 45 years in the making
Wars, haggling and funding issues were obstacles in building the span (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bay-bridge-backstory31-20130530,0,3410202.story)

QuoteMy colleague, Candy Thomson, recently reported that a study will soon evaluate the structural condition and projected life left in the Bay Bridge, while also considering the possible addition of a third span to accommodate traffic demands that will soar by 2025.

QuoteThe first span that bound the Eastern and Western Shores opened for traffic in 1952. It had been troubled by 45 years of haggling, vanished funding and public debate that was additionally fueled by doubters, controversy, economic downturns and wars.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 14, 2013, 09:30:45 AM
TOLLROADSnews: Traffic on Maryland's MD200 ICC picking up nicely - growth 32% to 34% over a year (http://tollroadsnews.com/node/6590)

QuoteNew traffic data for the Washington area Inter County Connector MD200 tollroad shows traffic running about a third higher than a year ago. April traffic at 35,500 vehicles per segment workdays was up 34% over 26,400 of the same month last year. And the first four months of this year were up 32% over the same four months last year.

QuoteAverage workday trips per segment in the first four months of this year were 32,825 vs 24,730 in the same four months of 2012. MdTA provided us raw data by days and the table required considerable manipulation in Excel to get average monthly workday averages shown. The tollroad basically has five segments or stretches between interchanges and five mainline toll gantry points (see map nearby.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: iwishiwascanadian on June 18, 2013, 01:47:40 AM
The Baltimore Sun had a short video on it's website about the SHA making road signs.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/videogallery/76310541/Producing-signs-for-Md-State-Highway-Administration-Video (http://www.baltimoresun.com/videogallery/76310541/Producing-signs-for-Md-State-Highway-Administration-Video)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 19, 2013, 10:04:32 AM
Quote from: Steve on June 09, 2013, 03:54:07 PM

QuoteSpeed cameras will be installed for the first time in Allegany County on eastbound Interstate 68 in the area west of U.S. Route 220 to east of Kelly Road as part of the Maryland State Highway Administration's SafeZones program.

Beginning Monday, warnings will be issued for an initial 21-day period through June 30.
Now's your chance to speed recklessly and get a free warning to put up on your wall!

We were driving thru this area Monday and I was able to get my wife to slow down just as we saw one of the ticketing SUVs off on the right shoulder.  If I realized it was only a test period, I'd had her hit the gas instead!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on June 19, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
Quote from: iwishiwascanadian on June 18, 2013, 01:47:40 AM
The Baltimore Sun had a short video on it's website about the SHA making road signs.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/videogallery/76310541/Producing-signs-for-Md-State-Highway-Administration-Video (http://www.baltimoresun.com/videogallery/76310541/Producing-signs-for-Md-State-Highway-Administration-Video)

It amazes me how even with technology we still get crap signs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 19, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on June 04, 2013, 05:34:50 PM
Shame. That was a nice train. Also, that crossing should have at least had lights, though I'm sure there's some logical reason behind it not having them.

Baltimore Sun: Rosedale train derailment leads to suit against truck driver - CSX alleges that John Jacob Alban failed to slow his truck and look for trains (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-csx-rosedale-lawsuit-20130619,0,1834865.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 01, 2013, 04:20:41 PM
WTOP Radio: Tolls go up across Md. on bridges, tunnels, roads (http://www.wtop.com/654/3375767/Tolls-go-up-across-Md-on-bridges-tunnels-roads)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on July 01, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 01, 2013, 04:20:41 PM
WTOP Radio: Tolls go up across Md. on bridges, tunnels, roads (http://www.wtop.com/654/3375767/Tolls-go-up-across-Md-on-bridges-tunnels-roads)

QuoteTolls also increased for people using E-ZPass. Rates went from 75 cents to $1.40 on the Harbor Tunnel, Fort McHenry Tunnel and the Key Bridge. On the Bay Bridge and Gov. Harry W. Nice Memorial Bridge, tolls went from $1 to $2.10. On I-95 and the Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge, tolls went from $1.50 to $2.80.

These figures must be the commuter rates (ones requiring something like 30 crossings a month), right?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 01, 2013, 08:23:18 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 01, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 01, 2013, 04:20:41 PM
WTOP Radio: Tolls go up across Md. on bridges, tunnels, roads (http://www.wtop.com/654/3375767/Tolls-go-up-across-Md-on-bridges-tunnels-roads)

QuoteTolls also increased for people using E-ZPass. Rates went from 75 cents to $1.40 on the Harbor Tunnel, Fort McHenry Tunnel and the Key Bridge. On the Bay Bridge and Gov. Harry W. Nice Memorial Bridge, tolls went from $1 to $2.10. On I-95 and the Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge, tolls went from $1.50 to $2.80.

These figures must be the commuter rates (ones requiring something like 30 crossings a month), right?

I think that may be correct.

I don't recall that they have ever given me or my family any discounts (we don't use any  of the MdTA facilities with commuter plans frequently enough to bother, and I don't think there will ever be one for Md. 200).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 08, 2013, 01:34:17 PM
AP via the Washington Post: O'Malley announces $650M in Prince George's County transportation plans (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/omalley-announces-650m-in-prince-georges-county-transportation-plans/2013/07/08/8de84328-e7e3-11e2-818e-aa29e855f3ab_story.html)

QuoteO'Malley noted the projects have been made possible by a gas tax increase that was approved in the legislative session. It is Maryland's first gas tax increase in two decades.

QuoteThe biggest item is $280 million to complete right-of-way acquisition and final design for the Purple Line, a planned 16-mile light rail line with 21 stations between Bethesda and New Carrollton.

Updated article by a Post reporter: O'Malley outlines new transportation spending in Prince George's (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/omalley-outlines-new-transportation-spending-in-prince-georges/2013/07/08/ad3f543a-e7ef-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on July 08, 2013, 02:13:46 PM
An interesting use of old road signs:
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1545
QuoteThe State Highway Administration (SHA) donated more than 5,000 linear feet, or approximately $6,000 worth of aluminum from old road signs to the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) to build a complex of greenhouses, a native tree nursery and a 5,000 gallon water storage unit in Frostburg, Allegany County
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 09, 2013, 02:22:48 PM
WTOP Radio: Md. man gets speed camera ticket after driving under the limit (http://www.wtop.com/41/3381895/Md-man-gets-speed-camera-ticket-after-driving-under-the-limit)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2013, 11:04:24 AM
MdTA press release: NEW LAW GETS TOUGH ON TOLL VIOLATORS (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/MDTA_News_Releases/NEW_LAW_GETS_TOUGH_ON_TOLL_VIOLATORS)

QuoteOn July 1, a new law went into effect that should motivate toll violators to pay their overdue tolls.  This law gives the MD Transportation Authority (MDTA) the ability to suspend the vehicle registration of toll violators who choose not to pay their tolls.  MDTA has begun the transition to a new civil citation process to help the agency recoup the money owed by those who use the State's toll facilities and never pay up.

QuoteThe new law, to be fully implemented in early October 2013, also provides anyone with an unpaid toll prior to July 1, 2013, a unique opportunity to pay their toll balances without having to pay fees.  Toll violators who do not take advantage of the transition period will receive a new Notice of Toll(s) Due (NOTD) under the new law beginning in October for their unpaid tolls and then will be subject to a civil citation and $50 fine for each toll violation.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on July 11, 2013, 06:03:33 PM
WAMU:  New Capital Beltway interchange for Greenbelt Metro station? (http://wamu.org/news/13/07/08/new_transportation_money_a_boon_for_prince_georges_county_bid_for_fbi)
QuoteAs much as $7 million will go to building a new interchange off the Beltway to the Greenbelt Metro station...
But isn't there already an interchange to the Greenbelt Metro?  At least there is in the SB direction; NB traffic has to exit at Kenilworth/MD-201 and wend through some local roads to get there.  Maybe they mean modifying the interchange to serve both directions?  I did see a diagram for that once, though I forget where.  There's also a plan for the Branch Avenue Metro station, though it's not clear if that will be directly on the Beltway.
QuoteApproximately $50 million will fund a new access road and a pedestrian bridge at the Branch Avenue Metro station...
The planned development at the Greenbelt Metro may be seen here (http://www.petrieross.com/uploads/Greenbelt%20Complete%20Media%20Package%202.pdf)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 12, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
QuoteBut isn't there already an interchange to the Greenbelt Metro?  At least there is in the SB direction; NB traffic has to exit at Kenilworth/MD-201 and wend through some local roads to get there.  Maybe they mean modifying the interchange to serve both directions?

Yes, that's what they meant.  Currently you can only go to/from the "west" between the Beltway and the Greenbelt Metro.  This proposal would add access to/from the "east".

QuoteThere's also a plan for the Branch Avenue Metro station, though it's not clear if that will be directly on the Beltway.

Not directly.  Phase 1 of this one did involve the Beltway...it was the interchange improvements at the Beltway and Branch Ave that were finished about 5 years ago.  Phase 2 doesn't involve the Beltway...it converts the Branch Ave/Auth Rd intersection into a right-in/right-out and builds an access road, partway between Auth Rd and Auth Way, from the Metro Station to Branch Ave with ramps to/from southbound Branch Ave...the access road would be bridged over northbound Branch Ave.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 15, 2013, 01:40:10 AM
Washington Post: New Md. transportation secretary evaluates how to use gas tax funds (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/new-md-transportation-secretary-evaluates-how-to-use-gas-tax-funds/2013/07/13/09afea4c-d83f-11e2-a9f2-42ee3912ae0e_story.html)

QuoteJames T. Smith Jr. had no interest in overseeing a state transportation network so tight on money that new roads and transit systems had little chance of being built.

QuoteAt 71, he had an impressive résumé: seven years on the Baltimore County Council, 16 years as a Circuit Court judge and two terms as Baltimore County's executive. When people close to Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) asked last summer if he'd be interested in heading the state Transportation Department, Smith said he told them "no."

Quote"I just didn't want, at this time in my life, to preside over a department treading water,"  he said recently.

QuoteSo why is he now Maryland's new transportation secretary?

Quote"The environment changed,"  he said.

QuoteWith a new state sales tax on gasoline, there is suddenly money to be had – an estimated $4.4 billion in additional revenue over the next six years – and a long wish list of projects that were postponed during the lean years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 20, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
Baltimore Sun: Driver injured when collision sends car into bay - Accident on Bay Bridge closes eastbound lanes (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bay-bridge-accident-20130719,0,1217648.story)

QuoteA 22-year-old woman was injured Friday night when a tractor-trailer struck her car and sent it over the railing of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge into the shallow waters near the eastbound start of the span, transportation and fire officials said.

QuoteThe woman suffered what was believed to be critical but non-life threatening injuries and she was taken by helicopter to the Shock Trauma Center, said Anne Arundel County Fire Department Battalion Chief Steve Thompson.

Washington Post: Car plunges from Chesapeake Bay bridge, woman lives (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/car-plunges-from-chesapeake-bay-bridge-woman-lives/2013/07/19/c4fdc97a-f0e2-11e2-a1f9-ea873b7e0424_story.html)

QuoteA woman swam to safety in the Chesapeake Bay Friday night after her car plunged 40 feet off the Bay Bridge following a collision.

QuoteThe woman was taken by helicopter to the shock trauma unit of the University of Maryland hospital. When rescue personnel reached her she was conscious and breathing, a spokesman for the Anne Arundel county fire department said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 21, 2013, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 20, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
Baltimore Sun: Driver injured when collision sends car into bay - Accident on Bay Bridge closes eastbound lanes (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bay-bridge-accident-20130719,0,1217648.story)

Damn!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 21, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 21, 2013, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 20, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
Baltimore Sun: Driver injured when collision sends car into bay - Accident on Bay Bridge closes eastbound lanes (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bay-bridge-accident-20130719,0,1217648.story)

Damn!

The driver was not seriously injured and  has been released from the hospital.  It happened just a short distance out from the Western Shore side on the two-lane eastbound span, and the fall to the surface of the water was not very far. 

WTOP Radio: Police ID survivor of Bay Bridge crash (http://www.wtop.com/81/3395842/Survivor-of-Bay-Bridge-crash-identified)

Baltimore Sun:  Police identify driver whose car fell from Bay Bridge - Woman escaped and swam to nearby rocks, was released Saturday from Shock Trauma (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel/annapolis/bs-md-bay-bridge-folo-20130721,0,975888.story)


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 22, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
[H/T Maryland Freeways]

The injuries from this appear worse than the one from the other night. 

WBAL-TV: Man seriously injured in head-on collision on Chesapeake Bay Bridge - Crash shuts down westbound span (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel-county/man-seriously-injured-in-headon-collision-on-chesapeake-bay-bridge/-/10137088/21116368/-/w8hpgv/-/index.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 22, 2013, 11:47:28 PM
Washington Post: For some, a drive across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge is a harrowing experience (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/for-some-a-drive-across-the-chesapeake-bay-bridge-is-a-harrowing-experience/2013/07/22/e6f1b8b4-f300-11e2-ae43-b31dc363c3bf_story_1.html)

QuoteThere's no way of knowing whether Friday's crash made more people fearful of the bridge crossing, but there is no shortage of people in the area who tremble as they approach.

Quote"I have a linebacker, used to play for the Maryland Terps,"  said Mathews, the shuttle service driver. "He's got a Cotton Bowl ring. And he said his heart used to race so bad going across the bridge. He said, "˜By the time I got off, it took me an hour to get myself calmed down.' "

QuoteMen and women are equally represented among those who pay to be driven across the bridge, she said. They come in all ages.

QuoteThe biggest recent panic attack came Saturday afternoon, when a woman headed east froze and refused to go any farther just after she drove onto the bridge. Police arrived to block the lane, Mathews was summoned to collect the woman and her vehicle was towed.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 24, 2013, 08:01:57 AM
TOLLROADSnews: Maryland's Chesapeake Bay Bridge has two spectacular crashes (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6654)

QuoteIt is a thoroughly obsolete substandard design for a major highway - one 2-lane bridge and one 3-lane bridge.

QuoteNeither has any shoulder space on the deck so whenever there is maintenance work or an incident and one bridge gets closed, the other has to run two-way traffic.

QuoteTwo and three lanes are dropped to one.

QuoteTen and 20 mile backups can occur. Plus there can be waits at the old-fashioned cash toll plaza.

QuoteYou might think they'd be well advanced in plans for a new modern span.

QuoteYou'd be wrong. No plans.

QuoteNot even an acknowledgment by MdTA that something needs to be done.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: elsmere241 on July 24, 2013, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 08, 2013, 06:41:17 AMThere's not nearly enough of it along I-95 between Emporia, Virginia and Wilmington, Delaware, and the (lack of) truck parking is even worse between Carmel Church/Ruther Glen, Va. and Perryville, Md.

My brother-in-law is a trucker.  When he stops to see us (in Elsmere, DE), he parks at the Flying J off Exit 2C in New Jersey.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 25, 2013, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: elsmere241 on July 24, 2013, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 08, 2013, 06:41:17 AMThere's not nearly enough of it along I-95 between Emporia, Virginia and Wilmington, Delaware, and the (lack of) truck parking is even worse between Carmel Church/Ruther Glen, Va. and Perryville, Md.

My brother-in-law is a trucker.  When he stops to see us (in Elsmere, DE), he parks at the Flying J off Exit 2C in New Jersey.

That is a very popular destination for trucks coming north on I-95 through the Baltimore and  Washington areas, as well as eastbound I-70 and I-66, which then head north on 95 and 295.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 25, 2013, 10:29:28 PM
Baltimore Sun: Federal safety experts inspect vehicles involved in Bay Bridge crash - State officials vow to heed recommendations to make span safer (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bridge-ntsb-20130725,0,6022455.story)

QuoteCrash experts from the National Transportation Safety Board were at a Glen Burnie salvage yard Thursday morning to look at the three vehicles involved in the Bay Bridge accident that catapulted a young woman and her car into the water.

QuoteAt the same time, state officials – including Gov. Martin O'Malley – went on the offensive to reassure the public that the 61-year-old bridge is safe and that they would implement any recommendations made by the NTSB.

QuoteThe federal inspectors spent more than two hours in the fenced-in lot at North County Towing and Recovery, looking at wreckage from the crash. They were joined by accident reconstruction officers from the Maryland Transportation Authority, operator of the bridge, and the Maryland State Police. They also drove across the bridge and inspected the crash scene.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 04, 2013, 12:08:29 AM
Washington Post: Ethics complaint questions Vallario's dual roles as legislator and lawyer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/ethics-complaint-questions-vallarios-dual-roles-as-legislator-and-lawyer/2013/08/03/16177b82-f9c9-11e2-8752-b41d7ed1f685_story.html)

QuoteKenniss Henry told the lawmaker all the horrible details about her daughter's death: How Natasha Pettigrew headed out before sunrise on a fall morning for a bike ride, part of her triathlon training. How the SUV driver who hit her told police she kept on going because she thought she had hit a deer.

QuoteHow at the hospital that day in September 2010 her daughter's eyes were "stitched and stapled."  That the 30-year-old law student's teeth were broken, her ribs shattered, her lung collapsed. That one of her hands was literally "a bag of bones."  And that surgeons were preparing to drill into her skull to see if they could detect any brain activity.

QuoteAfter her daughter died, prosecutors told Henry that they would try to build a criminal case against the driver, but because of Maryland's lax vehicular manslaughter laws, the charges would probably not be severe.

QuoteThat's why Henry was in Annapolis, telling her story to Del. Joseph F. Vallario Jr., the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

QuoteVallario (D-Prince George's), who is also a criminal defense attorney, had for years stood in the way of bills aimed at making it easier for prosecutors to get jail time for negligent drivers, arguing they criminalized what were often accidents. At a time "of unspeakable grief,"  Henry was trying to change his mind – not for her daughter's case, but for those like it in the future.

QuoteWeeks later, Henry almost fainted, she said, when prosecutors told her who was representing the driver who killed her daughter: Vallario's son, who operates out of his father's law office in Suitland.

QuoteThe episode is now the subject of an ethics complaint, with Henry arguing that Vallario – whose roles as both legislator and defense lawyer have long drawn scrutiny in Annapolis – had an egregious conflict of interest.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 04, 2013, 12:10:26 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 04, 2013, 12:08:29 AM
QuoteThe episode is now the subject of an ethics complaint, with Henry arguing that Vallario – whose roles as both legislator and defense lawyer have long drawn scrutiny in Annapolis – had an egregious conflict of interest.

The Maryland media should have been paying attention to Joe Vallario's representation of drunk and reckless drivers in Annapolis a long time ago.  I have no problem with him representing them in court (he's a criminal defense lawyer, after all), but I have a major problem with his activities in the General Assembly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 10:26:23 AM
State earmarks $1 billion in transportation money for Montgomery
http://www.gazette.net/article/20130805/NEWS/130809712/1124/state-earmarks-1-billion-in-transportation-money-for-montgomery&template=gazette

Quote– $400 million for construction of the Purple Line, which comes on top of $280 million announced previously to buy land and finish the project's design

– $125 million to construct a new interchange along I-270 at Watkins Mill Road

– $100 million to buy land and design the Corridor Cities Transitway

– $85 million for Montgomery's Ride On Bus system

– $25 million to build relocate a section of Md. 97 (Georgia Avenue) to bypass the Town of Brookeville

– $7 million to build interchanges at U.S. 29 and Musgrove Road and at U.S. 29 and Fairland Road

– $3 million to design the widening of Md. 124 (Woodfield Road) from Midcounty Highway to south of Airpark Road

– $3 million for planning to evaluate possible improvements in the Md. 28/Md. 198 corridor between Md. 97 and I-95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 06, 2013, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 10:26:23 AM
State earmarks $1 billion in transportation money for Montgomery
http://www.gazette.net/article/20130805/NEWS/130809712/1124/state-earmarks-1-billion-in-transportation-money-for-montgomery&template=gazette

– $400 million for construction of the Purple Line, which comes on top of $280 million announced previously to buy land and finish the project's design

Not enthused about the Purple Line - I think BRT could do the job for much lower cost.

Quote– $125 million to construct a new interchange along I-270 at Watkins Mill Road

Good project.

Quote– $100 million to buy land and design the Corridor Cities Transitway

A lot of money  for a very questionable project.

Quote– $85 million for Montgomery's Ride On Bus system

I like Ride-On.

Quote– $25 million to build relocate a section of Md. 97 (Georgia Avenue) to bypass the Town of Brookeville

This should have been done a long time ago.  Removes a lot of traffic from the historic part of Brookeville that does not want or need to be there.

Quote– $7 million to build interchanges at U.S. 29 and Musgrove Road and at U.S. 29 and Fairland Road

These are important with the ICC now being there.  They have also been in the Master Plan since 1997.   The at-grade intersection at Fairland Road has been very crash-prone over the years.

Quote– $3 million to design the widening of Md. 124 (Woodfield Road) from Midcounty Highway to south of Airpark Road

Also a good and overdue project.  Wish there was funding to extend Midcounty Highway to tie-in to Md. 200.   

Quote– $3 million for planning to evaluate possible improvements in the Md. 28/Md. 198 corridor between Md. 97 and I-95.

Waste of money.  No need for these with Md. 200 now being there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
Here's a statewide list of initial projects to be funded by the Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act of 2013:
http://www.governor.maryland.gov/documents/transportationfactsheet.pdf

QuoteBaltimore City

Advance the Red Line towards construction
Make travel throughout the state easier by adding weekend service on the MARC Penn Line, expanding service on the Camden line and replacing old and unreliable locomotives throughout entire MARC system.

Baltimore County

Reconstruct the I-695 Leeds Avenue Interchange providing a direct connection from the I-695 Inner Loop to US 1and Leeds Ave. Project will also replace and widen structurally deficient bridges improving safety.

Frederick County

Build an interchange at US 15/Monocacy Boulevard in Frederick, including a 427-space park-and-ride lot and bicycle and pedestrian improvements.

Harford County

Improve several intersections along key access routes to Aberdeen Proving Ground to accommodate the increase of employment as a result of BRAC.

Howard County

Widen 2.8 miles of northbound US 29 in Columbia from 2 lanes to 3, including constructing noise walls.

Montgomery County

Construct a new interchange just north of the existing I-270/MD124 interchange to support economic development and relieve congestion along MD 355, MD 124, and I-270.
Advance the Corridor Cities Transitway towards construction.

Prince George's County

Advance the Purple Line towards construction
Reconstruct the existing MD 210 intersection at Kerby Hill Rd/Livingston Rd to an interchange

Queen Anne's County

Replace the existing US 301/MD 304 intersection in Centerville with an interchange,

Southern Maryland:

Calvert, St. Mary's and Charles Counties

Complete engineering for a new four-lane bridge parallel to, and south of, the existing Thomas Johnson Bridge to increase the capacity of MD 4 over the Patuxent River.

I would hope to see extending the MD 32 freeway to I-70 to be on that list at some time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 06, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
Here's a statewide list of initial projects to be funded by the Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act of 2013:
http://www.governor.maryland.gov/documents/transportationfactsheet.pdf

[snipped]

Quote from: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
Complete engineering for a new four-lane bridge parallel to, and south of, the existing Thomas Johnson Bridge to increase the capacity of MD 4 over the Patuxent River.

This, IMO, should be a toll-financed project. 

Quote from: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
I would hope to see extending the MD 32 freeway to I-70 to be on that list at some time.

I strongly agree.  I believe 32 between Md. 108 and I-70 is the busiest two-lane highway in the state. 

There have been more than a few wrecks on that part of 32 as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 14, 2013, 10:49:29 AM
GREAT NEWS FOR MOTORISTS ALONG US 40 OVER THE PATAPSCO RIVER AT THE BALTIMORE/HOWARD COUNTY LINE
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1598
QuoteThe Maryland State Highway Administration (SHA) has completed the nearly three year renovation of the historic US 40 (Baltimore National Pike) Bridge over the Patapsco River between Baltimore and Howard counties.
There are some good photos of the work here:
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectPhotos.aspx?projectno=BA467513
They replaced the super structure and rehabilitated the substructure of the bridge.

There is another arch bridge like that one on US 40 west of Hagerstown over the Conococheague Creek.  But that one is only two lanes wide.

Speaking of Conococheague Creek they are widening the I-70 bridges over Conococheague Creek.  There are photos of that here:
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectPhotos.aspx?projectno=WA3255121#
QuoteAs part of the project, crews will replace the structural steel and the deck (driving surface) of the bridge, and will widen the piers that support it. When complete, each side of the bridge will be 51 feet wide, up from the original 30 feet, four inches. The highway will continue to have two lanes in each direction, but wide inner shoulders will allow room for the potential future addition of a third lane.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 19, 2013, 10:39:13 AM
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY ANNOUNCES NEARLY $160 MILLION IN TRANSPORTATION INVESTMENTS FOR THE EASTERN SHORE
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1604

QuoteToday's announcement provides nearly $160 million in key projects for the Eastern Shore, including:

- $52 million to construct a new interchange at US 301/ MD 304;

- $50 million to build a MD 331 Dover Bridge replacement;

- $42 million in construction funds to widen and dualize MD 404 from west of MD 309 to Cemetery Road (Phase 1B);

- $11 million for right-of-way acquisition funds to widen and dualize US 113 from Massey Branch to Five Mile Branch Road (Phase 3) No Construction funding available; and

- $3.7 million to start construction of a new roundabout at MD 822 (University of Maryland Eastern Shore Boulevard) and MD 675 (Somerset Avenue) near the University of Maryland Eastern Shore in Princess Anne.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 19, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
WTOP Radio: NTSB: Bay Bridge driver was on 1st US trip alone (http://wtop.com/46/3426032/NTSB-Bay-Bridge-driver-was-on-1st-US-trip-alone)

QuoteA preliminary federal report on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge crash that sent a car into the water says the driver of a tractor-trailer involved was on his first solo trip in the U.S.

QuoteOn Monday, the National Transportation Safety Board released the report on the July 19 accident near Annapolis. The crash sent a car driven by 22-year-old Morgan Lake over the railing and into the water 27 feet below. Lake was able to get out of the car and was rescued.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 20, 2013, 02:51:04 AM
- The Dover Bridge replacement is seriously needed.  Glad to see it funded.

- While a US 301/MD 304 interchange may be needed, I'd think there'd be higher priority locations they could build an interchange first....namely US 50/MD 213 or (even moreso) US 50/MD 404.

- The MD 404 widening is needed.  The US 113 widening, while useful, isn't quite as needed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 20, 2013, 10:33:03 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 20, 2013, 02:51:04 AM
- While a US 301/MD 304 interchange may be needed, I'd think there'd be higher priority locations they could build an interchange first....namely US 50/MD 213 or (even moreso) US 50/MD 404.
The former is a single project.  The latter are parts of a larger project to widen and make limited access US 50 between US 301 and MD 404.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 21, 2013, 03:07:47 AM
QuoteThe former is a single project.  The latter are parts of a larger project to widen and make limited access US 50 between US 301 and MD 404.

There's absolutely no reason why SHA couldn't split up the US 50 interchanges into separate projects, built to accommodate the future widening.

Getting some improvements sooner would be a lot better than waiting forever for the whole enchilada...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 21, 2013, 12:24:54 PM
NEW LED TRAFFIC SIGNALS SAVE ENERGY
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1613

I remember they had the LED trials years ago.  But had not heard anything since then about LED signals.  I didn't know they were using LED signals since the type they are using don't look like the LED signals that I've seen in other states.

I have noticed they have been doing a lot of signal replacements in my area in the past few weeks.  Pretty much all of the old signals with the all yellow housing are gone. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 21, 2013, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 21, 2013, 03:07:47 AM
QuoteThe former is a single project.  The latter are parts of a larger project to widen and make limited access US 50 between US 301 and MD 404.

There's absolutely no reason why SHA couldn't split up the US 50 interchanges into separate projects, built to accommodate the future widening.

Getting some improvements sooner would be a lot better than waiting forever for the whole enchilada...

But SHA has been doing an incremental approach with  regards to improving Md. 404 itself. 

As for U.S. 50 between Queenstown and Md. 404, I agree with doing all of that in one bigger project, especially  if the  plan is to eliminate the at-grade intersections at Md. 18, Md. 456, Md. 213 and Md. 404.  I really dislike having one "isolated" at-grade signalized intersection in a high-speed corridor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 22, 2013, 09:55:58 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 20, 2013, 02:51:04 AM
- The Dover Bridge replacement is seriously needed.  Glad to see it funded.
Tell me about it.
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1615
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1567
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 07:26:15 PM
Washington  Post: Growing number of Maryland municipalities using speed cameras (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/growing-number-of-maryland-municipalities-using-speed-cameras/2013/08/24/f0406a1a-0501-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_story.html)

QuoteThe first year the two speed cameras went up on Annapolis Road in Landover Hills, they produced $1.3 million in fines and enough cash for the town to buy a vehicle to enforce the speed limit.

QuoteThat may not seem like much in a region that routinely collects millions of dollars in traffic-enforcement fines, but the money made a difference for the northern Prince George's County town of fewer than 2,000 people.

QuoteLandover Hills is one of a growing number of Maryland jurisdictions that use automated cameras to catch speeders. For some, the programs have added a valuable source of revenue, but often accompanied by legal challenges and a public perception that the cameras are being used as moneymakers rather than to improve safety.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: DeaconG on August 25, 2013, 07:41:32 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 07:26:15 PM
Washington  Post: Growing number of Maryland municipalities using speed cameras (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/growing-number-of-maryland-municipalities-using-speed-cameras/2013/08/24/f0406a1a-0501-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_story.html)

QuoteThe first year the two speed cameras went up on Annapolis Road in Landover Hills, they produced $1.3 million in fines and enough cash for the town to buy a vehicle to enforce the speed limit.

QuoteThat may not seem like much in a region that routinely collects millions of dollars in traffic-enforcement fines, but the money made a difference for the northern Prince George's County town of fewer than 2,000 people.

QuoteLandover Hills is one of a growing number of Maryland jurisdictions that use automated cameras to catch speeders. For some, the programs have added a valuable source of revenue, but often accompanied by legal challenges and a public perception that the cameras are being used as moneymakers rather than to improve safety.

I used to live in Landover Hills when I worked at GSFC in the 80s.  I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 25, 2013, 07:41:32 PM
I used to live in Landover Hills when I worked at GSFC in the 80s.  I'm not surprised.

I worked at GSFC in the 1970's for CSC. Building 23 in image processing - Landsat, HCMM and Nimbus 7.

The stuff that we processed the spacecraft location and attitude and similar data was mostly junk - Xerox Data Systems Sigma and Modcomp IV computers. 

The equipment that did the actual image processing was state-of-the-art from IBM.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: DeaconG on August 26, 2013, 08:14:48 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 25, 2013, 07:41:32 PM
I used to live in Landover Hills when I worked at GSFC in the 80s.  I'm not surprised.

I worked at GSFC in the 1970's for CSC. Building 23 in image processing - Landsat, HCMM and Nimbus 7.

The stuff that we processed the spacecraft location and attitude and similar data was mostly junk - Xerox Data Systems Sigma and Modcomp IV computers. 

The equipment that did the actual image processing was state-of-the-art from IBM.

Yep, I'm quite familiar with Modcomp, Landsat and Nimbus 7. Building 25, Greenbelt Tracking Station/NTTF. Left just before the axe fell (thank you TDRS)...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2013, 09:27:37 AM
Darwin rule?

Motorcyclist killed in crash into his house (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/motorcyclist-killed-in-crash-into-his-house/2013/08/30/8f1cbc08-11e4-11e3-85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html)

QuoteA Montgomery County man was killed Friday when his motorcycle went out of control, crashed into his house and went through a window,the county police said.

QuoteThey said the man lost control of the motorcycle in the Montgomery Village area while doing a "wheelie."  In such a maneuver, the motorcycle is balanced for a time on its rear wheel.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on August 31, 2013, 06:46:44 PM
I find amusing that the Post reporter felt the need to explain what a wheelie is.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 03, 2013, 06:51:19 PM
Baltimore Sun: BWI busier than Dulles last year (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-bwi-ranks-20130903,0,4274660.story)

QuoteBaltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport leapfrogged ahead of Washington Dulles International Airport in terms of passenger counts in 2012, according to Airports Council International.

QuoteBWI was the nation's 22nd busiest airport in 2012, bumping Dulles down a place, according the council, which released passenger data for North American airports on Tuesday.

QuotePassenger volume at BWI rose 1.25 percent to nearly 22.7 million last year, while Dulles slipped 2.89 percent to 22.4 million.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: iwishiwascanadian on September 04, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
I wonder if that will change once the Silver Line opens at Dulles in a few years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 04, 2013, 03:23:19 AM
Doubtful.  Most of the Silver Line pull is to Tysons, not Dulles.  MWAA already recognizes this and has been trying to push Dulles more as a cargo hub, as evidenced by certain Virginia politicians pushing for "improved freight access" to Dulles via the proposed highway mentioned in other threads.

Furthermore, as I recall, international air travel has taken more of a hit than domestic travel...that would be a factor.  Another factor:  BWI is a Southwest hub.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 04, 2013, 09:51:30 AM
Southwest doesn't have hubs, but they do fly to a limited number of airports.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on September 04, 2013, 01:44:14 PM
Two road reasons contributing could be the ICC making access from Upper Montgomery County to BWI easier (permanent), and the beltway construction in Virginia (temporary).  Having to cross the AL bridge also favors going to BWI from the MD burbs. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 05, 2013, 02:44:29 AM
QuoteSouthwest doesn't have hubs, but they do fly to a limited number of airports.

Neither is true anymore.  65% of BWI's flights are Southwest, and it's a core of Southwest's activity on the East Coast...tell me again that isn't a hub.  They also fly to a much larger number of airports than they used to.

BrianP:  that hasn't really been cited as a factor in the past.  A stronger argument could be made that National is pulling more passengers from Dulles than BWI is, especially given some recent high-profile flight approvals in and out of National.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on September 05, 2013, 10:26:16 AM
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY ANNOUNCES NEARLY $1.5 BILLION IN TRANSPORTATION INVESTMENTS FOR BALTIMORE METROPOLITAN REGION
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1632
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 05, 2013, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 05, 2013, 02:44:29 AM
QuoteSouthwest doesn't have hubs, but they do fly to a limited number of airports.

Neither is true anymore.  65% of BWI's flights are Southwest, and it's a core of Southwest's activity on the East Coast...tell me again that isn't a hub.  They also fly to a much larger number of airports than they used to.

....

I think this may be a distinction of terminology (similar to how some people on this forum object to uses of "freeway" and "expressway" that don't match the MUTCD's definition of those terms). Southwest does not use the term "hub" in describing their operations because they don't operate on a "hub and spoke" system that requires lots of passengers to fly to particular cities and connect there to other flights (consider how with Delta if you're on the East Coast you'll often have to fly to Atlanta or Cincinnati and then connect to some other flight). Anyone who's flown on Southwest for more than a minimal distance has probably encountered how you sometimes make multiple stops but stay on the same plane–for example, going from St. Louis to Baltimore might require you to fly from St. Louis to Chicago to Cleveland to Baltimore (some flights will skip Cleveland).* This brings to mind a further wording distinction that is often misunderstood by a lot of people–the difference between a "direct" flight and a "nonstop" flight. Lots of people think those words are interchangeable, but they aren't–if you stay on the same plane, that flight from St. Louis to Chicago to Cleveland to Baltimore is a "direct" flight under airline industry terminology.

Southwest uses the term "focus city" to refer to locations in which they have a particularly large presence, and Baltimore is one of those; I think Chicago—Midway is another.

But as a general matter, for everyday discussion it would probably be reasonable to regard BWI as an operational "hub" for Southwest as long as the term isn't being used in the "hub and spoke" sense where large numbers of that airline's flights fly into that city so that passengers will change planes.



*I use this route as an example because in May 1998 I boarded a Southwest flight at Midway that was operating this route. I actually wound up sitting down next to someone who turned out to be a high school friend I hadn't seen in seven years. Nowadays there's a nonstop from St. Louis to Baltimore, but back then there wasn't.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on September 05, 2013, 04:45:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 05, 2013, 02:44:29 AM
BrianP:  that hasn't really been cited as a factor in the past.  A stronger argument could be made that National is pulling more passengers from Dulles than BWI is, especially given some recent high-profile flight approvals in and out of National.
I didn't say either of them were significant factors.  I was only trying to find road related factors. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2013, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 05, 2013, 11:27:31 AM
But as a general matter, for everyday discussion it would probably be reasonable to regard BWI as an operational "hub" for Southwest as long as the term isn't being used in the "hub and spoke" sense where large numbers of that airline's flights fly into that city so that passengers will change planes.

You can call it what you like, but Southwest's operations at BWI meet my  definition of a "hub," even though Southwest is not a hub-and-spoke airline.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2013, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: BrianP on September 04, 2013, 01:44:14 PM
Two road reasons contributing could be the ICC making access from Upper Montgomery County to BWI easier (permanent), and the beltway construction in Virginia (temporary).  Having to cross the AL bridge also favors going to BWI from the MD burbs.

Travel time from the City of Rockville to BWI was enormously reduced, especially in the afternoon peak period with Md. 200.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2013, 10:50:47 PM
Washington Post: 85,000 Redskin fans + rush hour = traffic headaches (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/85000-redskin-fans--rush-hour-spell-traffic-headaches/2013/09/05/e47c90be-1654-11e3-be6e-dc6ae8a5b3a8_story.html)

QuoteBefore there was science, there was human intuition. For example, intuition told the caveman that living in a cave was a better bet than, say, living under a rosebush. A caveman's intuition also could tell you that traffic will stink when 85,000 people head to the Washington Redskins game Monday night.

QuoteNow, science can tell you that, too.

QuoteUsing data from past Monday night games at FedEx Field, a company that collects traffic data from thousands of transponders in trucks and fleet vehicles has crunched the numbers in better-than-a-caveman fashion to aid your Monday-night game plan.

Quote"If it usually takes 45 minutes to get home or get to the stadium, count on nearly 90 minutes on game night between 5:30 p.m. and 7:30 p.m,"  said Jamie Holter, a traffic analyst for INRIX, which provides much of the information in radio, television and Internet traffic reports.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 05, 2013, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2013, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 05, 2013, 11:27:31 AM
But as a general matter, for everyday discussion it would probably be reasonable to regard BWI as an operational "hub" for Southwest as long as the term isn't being used in the "hub and spoke" sense where large numbers of that airline's flights fly into that city so that passengers will change planes.

You can call it what you like, but Southwest's operations at BWI meet my  definition of a "hub," even though Southwest is not a hub-and-spoke airline.

Isn't that more or less what I said?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 06, 2013, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 05, 2013, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2013, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 05, 2013, 11:27:31 AM
But as a general matter, for everyday discussion it would probably be reasonable to regard BWI as an operational "hub" for Southwest as long as the term isn't being used in the "hub and spoke" sense where large numbers of that airline's flights fly into that city so that passengers will change planes.

You can call it what you like, but Southwest's operations at BWI meet my  definition of a "hub," even though Southwest is not a hub-and-spoke airline.

Isn't that more or less what I said?

Yes, it is.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on September 06, 2013, 04:11:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 04, 2013, 12:10:26 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 04, 2013, 12:08:29 AM
QuoteThe episode is now the subject of an ethics complaint, with Henry arguing that Vallario – whose roles as both legislator and defense lawyer have long drawn scrutiny in Annapolis – had an egregious conflict of interest.

The Maryland media should have been paying attention to Joe Vallario's representation of drunk and reckless drivers in Annapolis a long time ago.  I have no problem with him representing them in court (he's a criminal defense lawyer, after all), but I have a major problem with his activities in the General Assembly.

Kentucky's legislature is full of criminal defense lawyers. I've never counted, but I'd not be surprised if the majority of Kentucky's legislators aren't lawyers.

However, I don't think a lawyer being in the legislature is as much of a conflict as public school and university employees being in the legislature, since they vote on funding for the institutions for which they're employed. Kentucky does not allow state employees to hold or even run for partisan office -- they have to resign or retire before they can even file for office and run for election -- yet school and university employees can run and many serve in the legislature.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 06, 2013, 05:15:54 PM
I don't know. In Virginia, as in so many other places, we have multiple attorneys serving in the General Assembly. It's caused problems. I don't know if you recall the uproar about the "abusive driver fees" a few years ago. They passed a law imposing "civil penalties" of up to $3000 on in-state residents (only in-staters) who were found guilty of certain traffic offenses (among them, driving 81 mph in the 70-mph zone on I-85, which was at the time the only Virginia highway posted at 70). The bill's chief sponsor was Delegate David Albo, whose primary employment is as an attorney specializing in traffic ticket defense work–meaning the law would have driven significant business to him as more people hired attorneys to fight tickets.

It caused a major rebellion and it was quickly repealed and all "fees" were refunded. But the idiots in Albo's district are still re-electing him. I guess people get the government they deserve.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 07, 2013, 02:33:01 AM
IMO, part of that was a desire to "raise revenue" without "raising taxes".  There is a very noticeable sect of taxophobics in Virginia.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 07, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 07, 2013, 02:33:01 AM
IMO, part of that was a desire to "raise revenue" without "raising taxes".  There is a very noticeable sect of taxophobics in Virginia.

Absolutely correct. Doesn't make what Albo did any less odious, though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 07, 2013, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 07, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 07, 2013, 02:33:01 AM
IMO, part of that was a desire to "raise revenue" without "raising taxes".  There is a very noticeable sect of taxophobics in Virginia.

Absolutely correct. Doesn't make what Albo did any less odious, though.

I agree with both Adam and Hoo. Very much consistent with my memory.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 09, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
Not all of them.  You only hear a very small subset of the voters, because they are the most vocal against any taxes.  Most Virginians realize that the roads are going to crap and something needs to be done to get the revenue to fix it, but they aren't the ones you hear.  The only ones you actually hear are the anti-tax or anti-toll folks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 09, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 09, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
Not all of them.  You only hear a very small subset of the voters, because they are the most vocal against any taxes.  Most Virginians realize that the roads are going to crap and something needs to be done to get the revenue to fix it, but they aren't the ones you hear.  The only ones you actually hear are the anti-tax or anti-toll folks.

Adam, there has not even been an honest debate about this in the Commonwealth of Virginia in a very long time.  What nobody seems willing to accept is this - even if there is no expansion of the highway network at all, what is out there now is enormous in size and extent, and must be maintained or it will fall apart.

About 10 years ago, when then-Gov. Mark Warner proposed regional tax increases for transportation, the anti-tax types formed an unholy alliance with Virginia's Smart Growth industry to oppose (on the grounds of supposed "induced" demand for highway capacity) and defeated the proposals in the  2004 election.

At the start of the 2005 General Assembly, a bill was introduced to double the "stealth" gas tax rate that NVTC collects (unlike the statewide motor fuel tax in Virginia, which is per-gallon, the "stealth" NVTC tax is a percent of the sale price), all of which goes for transit subsidies.  It had the support of the Smart Growthers, but not the anti-tax coalition, and it quickly went down to defeat (I do not think it made it out of committee).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 10, 2013, 03:45:02 AM
Yes, CP, I recall those (was stationed in Norfolk at the time).  The lack of an honest debate stems in no small part from the General Assembly (especially the House of Delegates) still being largely rural-based and NOT where the bulk of the population lives.  True, urban areas made some inroads in the last Census, but the GA jerrymandered the districts so much that there is still a large and powerful rural bloc in the Assembly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 10, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 06, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
I would hope to see extending the MD 32 freeway to I-70 to be on that list at some time.

I strongly agree.  I believe 32 between Md. 108 and I-70 is the busiest two-lane highway in the state. 

There have been more than a few wrecks on that part of 32 as well.

Took that stretch of MD-32 back from the beach last Saturday (along with the rest of MD-32 from I-97 to I-70), and there is interchange construction well underway... I want to say at Linden Church Rd.  The new overpass looks pretty far along, but the ramp grading still seems like it has a way to go.  I'm not sure if I had read anything about the project before, but if I did, I forgot about it. 

Like the Burntwoods Rd. interchange a little further north/west they put in a couple of years ago, when done I'm certain this new interchange will be able to accommodate 4-laning at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 10, 2013, 08:55:01 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on September 10, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 06, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 06, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
I would hope to see extending the MD 32 freeway to I-70 to be on that list at some time.

I strongly agree.  I believe 32 between Md. 108 and I-70 is the busiest two-lane highway in the state. 

There have been more than a few wrecks on that part of 32 as well.

Took that stretch of MD-32 back from the beach last Saturday (along with the rest of MD-32 from I-97 to I-70), and there is interchange construction well underway... I want to say at Linden Church Rd.  The new overpass looks pretty far along, but the ramp grading still seems like it has a way to go.  I'm not sure if I had read anything about the project before, but if I did, I forgot about it. 

Like the Burntwoods Rd. interchange a little further north/west they put in a couple of years ago, when done I'm certain this new interchange will be able to accommodate 4-laning at some point in the future.

Linden Church Road sounds correct.

It is clearly the desire of the State Highway Administration to widen Md. 32 to a four lane freeway  between Md. 108 and I-70.  And perhaps beyond, to Sykesville.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 19, 2013, 09:55:38 PM
For those that like big interchanges, click the link below and watch the video, even if you are not interested in tolled lanes.

Baltimore Sun: Pricing recommendations for I-95 express toll lanes approved - Board decision opens proposal to public comment period (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-95-etl-pricing-20130919,0,712940,full.story)

QuoteRush-hour commuters could pay nearly $5 a day in tolls to travel back and forth on a seven-mile stretch of express toll lanes set to open next year along Interstate 95 east and north of Baltimore, according to proposed pricing approved Thursday by the board of the Maryland Transportation Authority.

QuoteThe new lanes, scheduled to open late next year, would offer a quicker travel option for commuters willing to pay.

QuoteThe suggested tolls vary by the time of day and the type of vehicle, but a car traveling on the toll lanes during peak hours would pay between 25 cents and 35 cents per mile.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on September 19, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
I'm a little surprised that the ET lanes don't interchange directly with I-695. I'm even more surprised that they aren't going to untwist the carriageway swap that the Beltway makes. Unless this is temporary.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on September 20, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
Quote from: kj3400 on September 19, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
I'm a little surprised that the ET lanes don't interchange directly with I-695. I'm even more surprised that they aren't going to untwist the carriageway swap that the Beltway makes. Unless this is temporary.

There were plans to connect the ET lanes to I-695 and to untwist it..... MdTA ran out of money. Given how long its taking them to open up these lanes, its costing them even more money. Besides the bridges at I-695 the lanes have been sitting complete, empty, and unused for about a year now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 20, 2013, 11:27:05 AM
There used to be a rendering of the proposed I-695 interchange on the ETL website, but I can't find it anymore (I guess that makes sense since they're deleted or deferred the ramps in question). It was quite impressive.

Aha....Google image search found it on AARoads.com:

(//www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_images/northeast/i-095_695_future_int.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 23, 2013, 12:13:22 AM
Quote from: kj3400 on September 19, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
I'm a little surprised that the ET lanes don't interchange directly with I-695. I'm even more surprised that they aren't going to untwist the carriageway swap that the Beltway makes. Unless this is temporary.

I believe it is the MdTA's intent to make the connection between I-695 and the ETLs at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 29, 2013, 07:24:13 PM
WUSA-TV: Bay Bridge Fire closes westbound lanes (http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/276781/158/Bay-Bridge-fire-shuts-down-traffic)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 02, 2013, 10:26:06 PM
Baltimore Sun: Gasoline cleanup at I-95 travel plazas to cost $2.2 million more than projected (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-plaza-gas-remediation-20131002,0,2743376.story)

QuoteThe cleanup of soil contaminated by gasoline at two travel plazas on Interstate 95 likely will cost the state $2.2 million more than estimated, according to the Maryland Transportation Authority.

QuoteRemediation work at Maryland House in Harford County has cost $2.6 million – far more than the $800,000 planned budget for both sites, officials said. Work is getting underway to assess soil contamination at Chesapeake House in Cecil County, officials said.

QuoteThe final remediation costs above the initial budget will be subtracted from the rent paid by Areas USA to the state. The Miami-based firm is investing $56 million to renovate the plazas in exchange for leasing rights to operate the facilities through 2047, officials said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 04, 2013, 12:23:14 PM
Online comments are being accepted now for the new Express Toll Lanes on I-95 in Baltimore County and Baltimore City by the MdTA.

I-95 Express Toll Lanes - Homepage (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/ETL/Home.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 09, 2013, 09:33:19 AM
Imagine if the ICC ran from U.S. 50 in Prince George's County all the way to I-95 - then there would be an alternate path around this mess.

Trash picked up on Beltway after tractor trailer overturns; southbound lanes of Baltimore-Washington Parkway still closed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2013/10/09/accident-blocks-baltimore-washington-parkway/)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on October 18, 2013, 01:33:22 AM
An expensive alternate, but a fast one nevertheless. There's space for it, I'm sure. Of course, if it were to be done, you'd be getting into 'Outer Beltway' territory.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 22, 2013, 10:19:34 PM
Baltimore Sun op-ed: How about some sugar for I-95 carpoolers? (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-rodricks-1022-20131022,0,7960809.column)

QuoteDuring my I-95 Highway Ah-hah! the other day, I wondered why the state was pushing ETLs exclusively and not HOV lanes – that is, high-occupancy vehicle lanes that encourage car-pooling. (Remember car-pooling?)

QuoteWe have HOV lanes on two other stretches of highway in Maryland, so why not this very wide stretch of I-95?
QuoteI started nosing around for an answer to this.
QuoteAccording to Peter Samuel, former editor-publisher of TOLLROADSNews.com and now a contributing writer to that site, a combination of ETLs and HOV lanes (so-called HOTs, for High Occupancy/Tolls) are all the rage these days. These systems allow high-occupancy vehicles to use the express lanes for free or at discount.

QuoteHOV lanes are underused, Samuel said, and enforcing the law, which requires two or more people in each vehicle, has become problematic for police. "The trend," said Samuel, who lives in Frederick, "has been to convert HOV [lanes] to HOTs."

QuoteI know I'm a little late to this party, but I think we're missing an opportunity to encourage fewer cars on the road – and less gasoline consumption – by allowing HOVs to benefit from the new, improved, wide-body I-95. Come on, a little sugar for car-poolers, please.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 25, 2013, 11:26:59 AM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland, other states vow to boost plug-in car sales (http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/green/blog/bs-gr-electric-vehicles-20131024,0,7066501.story)

QuoteAiming to boost the fledgling market for plug-in vehicles, Maryland and seven other states pledged Thursday to use their governments' tax and spending powers to get 3.3 million "zero-emission" cars, trucks and vans on the road in the next dozen years.

QuoteGov. Martin O'Malley and his counterparts in California, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont formally vowed to promote plug-in or hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in their states. They signed an agreement promising to take steps in their states to expand consumer demand for the vehicles, which despite rapidly rising sales remain a tiny portion of the cars and trucks sold in the United States.

QuoteThe governors committed to changing building codes to make it easier to build charging stations, buying zero-emissions vehicles for government fleets, offering tax breaks or other financial incentives to consumers, and discounting electric rates for home charging systems.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 29, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
Looks like another change to the I-95/MD 43 ramps.

http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/MDTA_Traffic_Advisories/NEW_TRAFFIC_PATTERN_BEGINS_OCT_29_AT_I95MD_43_INTERCHANGE_EXIT_RAMPS

I was through here a couple of weeks ago.  It looks like the new ramps go under MD 43 before looping around.  However, I was in the area a few weeks ago and do not recall seeing that.  All I did see was a split leading to a traffic light to make a left onto MD 43.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on October 29, 2013, 11:53:19 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on September 20, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
Quote from: kj3400 on September 19, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
I'm a little surprised that the ET lanes don't interchange directly with I-695. I'm even more surprised that they aren't going to untwist the carriageway swap that the Beltway makes. Unless this is temporary.

There were plans to connect the ET lanes to I-695 and to untwist it..... MdTA ran out of money. Given how long its taking them to open up these lanes, its costing them even more money. Besides the bridges at I-695 the lanes have been sitting complete, empty, and unused for about a year now.

I went to the public hearing and asked as many questions as I could, including these. The unbraiding of 695 will begin next year. The ETL are scheduled to open in late 2014. Connecting the ETL to 695 has been deferred due to funding but not completely cancelled. However, don't expect the connection to be built anytime soon.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on November 04, 2013, 10:46:09 AM
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY AND COUNTY EXECUTIVE ULMAN ANNOUNCE COMPLETION OF MAJOR HIGHWAY PROJECT IN HOWARD COUNTY
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1710
QuoteGovernor Martin O'Malley and Howard County Executive Ken Ulman today announced that the new interchange along MD 32 at Linden Church Road near Dayton will open to traffic by Friday, November 8, weather permitting.
QuoteThe next major project, an interchange along MD 32 at Rosemary Lane, is in design.  Future projects include new interchanges at MD 144, I-70, Nixon's Farm Lane and the entrance to the State and County highway maintenance facilities in Dayton. The time frame for these future projects and eventual widening of MD 32 will depend on funding availability and state, federal and environmental permit approvals.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on November 04, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
Took me a while to find that area. MD 32 is one step closer to being full freeway between I-70 and I-97.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 04, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on November 04, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
Took me a while to find that area. MD 32 is one step closer to being full freeway between I-70 and I-97.

Except for a short section through Fort Meade (especially westbound), Md. 32 is already a freeway from I-97 to Md. 108. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on November 04, 2013, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: BrianP on November 04, 2013, 10:46:09 AM
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY AND COUNTY EXECUTIVE ULMAN ANNOUNCE COMPLETION OF MAJOR HIGHWAY PROJECT IN HOWARD COUNTY
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=1710
QuoteGovernor Martin O'Malley and Howard County Executive Ken Ulman today announced that the new interchange along MD 32 at Linden Church Road near Dayton will open to traffic by Friday, November 8, weather permitting.
QuoteThe next major project, an interchange along MD 32 at Rosemary Lane, is in design.  Future projects include new interchanges at MD 144, I-70, Nixon's Farm Lane and the entrance to the State and County highway maintenance facilities in Dayton. The time frame for these future projects and eventual widening of MD 32 will depend on funding availability and state, federal and environmental permit approvals.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 04, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on November 04, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
Took me a while to find that area. MD 32 is one step closer to being full freeway between I-70 and I-97.

Except for a short section through Fort Meade (especially westbound), Md. 32 is already a freeway from I-97 to Md. 108. 
About time they made this a complete freeway from I-70 to I-97! If the Fort Meade at-grades are ever removed, then an Interstate designation may not be too far away.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 04, 2013, 02:53:20 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 04, 2013, 02:45:58 PM
About time they made this a complete freeway from I-70 to I-97! If the Fort Meade at-grades are ever removed, then an Interstate designation may not be too far away.

The at-grade intersections on Md. 32 at the National Security Agency were removed quite a few years ago. 

But the westbound lanes (signed west, actually going north/northwest) are rather twisty through the area Google here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=fort+meade,+md&hl=en&ll=39.101025,-76.769457&spn=0.016286,0.031714&sll=33.861293,-117.988701&sspn=0.139409,0.253716&t=h&gl=us&z=15) - the curves are much sharper than the satellite image would lead you to believe.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on November 05, 2013, 03:47:44 PM
Wow.  I didn't think construction looked quite so far along when traveling thru there back in early September.  Impressive.

Looks like they decided to keep both directions of travel on on side of the overpass pier (at least according to the image in the article), as opposed to separating them (but remaining one lane each direction) like they did with the interchange they did a few years ago north of there.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 05, 2013, 07:17:48 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on November 05, 2013, 03:47:44 PM
Wow.  I didn't think construction looked quite so far along when traveling thru there back in early September.  Impressive.

Looks like they decided to keep both directions of travel on on side of the overpass pier (at least according to the image in the article), as opposed to separating them (but remaining one lane each direction) like they did with the interchange they did a few years ago north of there.

I drove through the interchange site last weekend and it looks like the contractor hasn't excavated the southbound carriageway road bed to the appropriate depth. The vertical angle of the bridge is such that the height from ground level to the bottom of the bridge appears to be substandard. The only remaining work at the time was the fine grading and paving of the southbound off-ramp to Linden Church Road.

I also found it puzzling that the directions of travel weren't divided, especially since the mainline is much straighter here in comparison to the mainline at the Burntwoods Road interchange and the possibility of lane drift is much higher.

I am also interested to see if an exit number will be signed on the advance interchange signage; the Burntwoods Road interchange is called Exit 27 in the HLR but the sign contractor didn't install any tabs on the advance signage on either side.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 10, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Baltimore Sun on 50 years of the JFK Highway:  After 50 years, I-95 still East Coast's common thread and economic backbone - Highway's opening in Maryland in 1963 reshaped travel, race relations and local communities (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-95-history-20131108,0,6523683.story)

QuoteOn a brisk afternoon 50 years ago, Timothy Hyman snapped pictures as officials cut a ribbon to open the newest stretch of Interstate 95, connecting Baltimore to Delaware and onward north to Maine.

QuoteAmid the large crowd gathered at the Maryland-Delaware border, Hyman still remembers the civil rights advocates picketing just outside his frame, calling for the interstate to be interracial and to further advance their cause.

QuoteIn that moment, Hyman said he saw a dual promise – of travel without congestion, but also without oppression.

QuoteAs a black photographer from Baltimore working for the Maryland Traffic Safety Commission, Hyman, now 76 and still a state employee, had a working knowledge of how congested roads in the Baltimore region were. He also had been turned away many times at segregated lunch counters and motels along those roads.

Quote"I remember it quite a bit," he said of that day, Nov. 14, 1963. "It was things we had to overcome."

QuoteToday, Interstate 95 remains a culturally significant force for change, an artery of personal significance for many and an economic backbone for the Eastern Seaboard, said Dan McNichol, writer of "The Roads that Built America."

Quote"It facilitated and accelerated growth already in progress," McNichol said. "It generates energy through all those states."

QuoteAccording to the I-95 Corridor Coalition, an alliance of transportation and public safety agencies from Florida to Maine, about 110 million people live in jurisdictions directly served by the highway, up from 40 million in 1960, when the project's coastal connectivity was just an idea.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 10, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
It will be interesting to see if the eight miles of the I-95 Express Toll Lanes currently being built have any significant effect on the LOS of I-95 between the Baltimore City line and MD 43; I would expect them to have very little effect because, in my opinion, they are too short. In fact, after reading the I-95 Master Plan produced by the MdTA in 2003, I think the entire 18-mile ETL facility proposed by the MdTA is also too short, and would not be surprised if the segment of the JFK Highway from Exit 80 to Exit 85 is studied again when the MdTA can afford it.

The works at the former MD 43 cloverleaf are certainly very interesting, due to the way the loop ramps are being unrolled. I don't think I've seen a similar interchange design anywhere else.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: iwishiwascanadian on November 11, 2013, 09:50:01 PM
I think that they would be used more if they connected to the Beltway.  I know that the great recession caused the state to remove the ramps from 695 to the ETL and that the space will still exist to add them eventually but until then they'll mock all of the people stuck in traffic going north towards Harford County.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 11, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
The biggest problem I see is the distance between the northern ETL terminus and the Beltway is less than 2 miles.  There is no benefit of the ETLs whatsoever between those two points, because they are bypassing nothing - there are no other exits for traffic to enter and exit between those two points.  The only thing that will be occurring is 6 lanes total will merge down to 4 lanes.  Going Northbound at the end of the split, if they try to maintain the 2 ETLs to the left and merge the 4 General Purpose lanes down into 2, the moment the divider ends motorists will jump across the solid gore lines into the faster lanes to the left, and that's only going to lead to all lanes congesting anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 13, 2013, 05:35:46 PM
TOLLROADSnews: Delaware Turnpike and Maryland's Kennedy Highway have 50th anniversary Thursday (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6821)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 16, 2013, 10:37:16 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on November 10, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
It will be interesting to see if the eight miles of the I-95 Express Toll Lanes currently being built have any significant effect on the LOS of I-95 between the Baltimore City line and MD 43; I would expect them to have very little effect because, in my opinion, they are too short. In fact, after reading the I-95 Master Plan produced by the MdTA in 2003, I think the entire 18-mile ETL facility proposed by the MdTA is also too short, and would not be surprised if the segment of the JFK Highway from Exit 80 to Exit 85 is studied again when the MdTA can afford it.

For reference, the Section 200 plates are available here:

http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/I95section200/Documents/Appendix%20A_Plates.pdf

Other documents of interest are available at http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/I95section200/documents.html

The plates show the convergence of the quad carriage way 3-2-2-3 alignment into a 4-4 alignment in the northbound direction, about 3/4 of a mile southwest of Maryland House. If the MdTA does restudy this portion of I-95 I would expect there to be some interesting alternatives for maintaining access to Maryland Hpuse with the new ETL carriage ways present.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 17, 2013, 12:33:32 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on November 16, 2013, 10:37:16 PM
The plates show the convergence of the quad carriage way 3-2-2-3 alignment into a 4-4 alignment in the northbound direction, about 3/4 of a mile southwest of Maryland House. If the MdTA does restudy this portion of I-95 I would expect there to be some interesting alternatives for maintaining access to Maryland Hpuse with the new ETL carriage ways present.

I would love to see the access/egress from both sides of I-95 modified to use flyover ramps to eliminate the left-lane exit and entrance ramps.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on November 17, 2013, 02:22:44 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 17, 2013, 12:33:32 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on November 16, 2013, 10:37:16 PM
The plates show the convergence of the quad carriage way 3-2-2-3 alignment into a 4-4 alignment in the northbound direction, about 3/4 of a mile southwest of Maryland House. If the MdTA does restudy this portion of I-95 I would expect there to be some interesting alternatives for maintaining access to Maryland Hpuse with the new ETL carriage ways present.

I would love to see the access/egress from both sides of I-95 modified to use flyover ramps to eliminate the left-lane exit and entrance ramps.
The Garden State Parkway did that for the Cheesequake Service Area when the 3-2-2-3 (now 3-3-3-3) was first configured as it used to be typical left exit and entrances.  When the express lanes were added, to and from the south, right exits with underpasses were created.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 21, 2013, 08:42:10 PM
WBOC-TV Channel 16: O.C. Officials: Route 90 Bridge Could Get Widening (http://www.wboc.com/story/24039277/oc-town-officials-route-90-to-get-widen)

QuoteOCEAN CITY, Md.- Who hasn't complained, at some point, about the traffic jams in and out of Ocean City in the summer. Town officials are pushing Worcester County and state officials to take a closer look at the Route 90 bridge.

Quote"More and more traffic is coming to the North Ocean City area," said Dave Gregory, of Ocean City. "This [The North side] is where you know a lot of people live."

QuoteGregory lives in Montego Bay, he dreads driving across this bridge. So he avoids Route 50 and takes the Route 90 bridge to get into Ocean City.

Quote"Saturday morning, coming into Ocean City is not a good idea from there," said Gregory.

QuoteTown officials said during Superstorm Sandy most of the Route 50 Bridge was completed flooded, meaning they had to rely solely on the Route 90 Bridge; which is why Route 90 is at the top of their list.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on November 21, 2013, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 21, 2013, 08:42:10 PM
WBOC-TV Channel 16: O.C. Officials: Route 90 Bridge Could Get Widening (http://www.wboc.com/story/24039277/oc-town-officials-route-90-to-get-widen)

It's about time they widened that.  That bridge, actually that entire highway from at least US 113 east to OC is a nightmare during the summer.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 21, 2013, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on November 21, 2013, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 21, 2013, 08:42:10 PM
WBOC-TV Channel 16: O.C. Officials: Route 90 Bridge Could Get Widening (http://www.wboc.com/story/24039277/oc-town-officials-route-90-to-get-widen)

It's about time they widened that.  That bridge, actually that entire highway from at least US 113 east to OC is a nightmare during the summer.

Agreed.  And beyond the heavy volumes of traffic, it's pretty crash-prone, even though most of it now has a steel barrier between the eastbound and westbound lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 23, 2013, 11:00:06 PM
Baltimore Sun: Hatem bridge to be first in Maryland to get rid of cash tolls (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-re-hatem-toll-booths-1115-20131113,0,4549553.story)

QuoteAfter facing a toll hike and the retirement of the old decal system, some users of the Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge between Harford and Cecil counties might get another rude awakening: No more cash tolls and no more toll booths as those crossing the Susquehanna River via Route 40 have long known them.

QuoteThe bridge's toll plaza will be the first to have its cash tolls eliminated by the Maryland Transportation Authority and replaced with electronic tolling sometime next year, MDTA announced.

QuoteHatem Bridge was selected because more than 90 percent of the drivers who pass over it now use E-ZPass instead of cash, the highest percentage of any MDTA toll plazas, spokeswoman Rachel Freeberger explained.

Quote"All Electronic Tolling (AET) is becoming more common across the country for both new toll facilities and for existing toll plazas. The MDTA has been studying the feasibility of AET at all of its toll plazas for some time now," Freeberger said.

Quote"MDTA has been studying the feasibility of AET for its toll plazas and finalized the report this month. There are many factors that need to be considered in the feasibility of moving a traditional toll plaza to AET, including E-ZPass usage, staffing, costs, traffic analysis, education/outreach, maintenance and operational issues and toll enforcement agreements with other states," she wrote in an e-mail.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 25, 2013, 12:40:23 PM
TOLLROADSnews: "Sleeve roller-upper"  Bruce Gartner made MdTA chief PERSONNEL (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6844)

QuoteBruce W Gartner is the new executive secretary of MdTA, the Maryland state toller. In  an announcement this morn ing MdTA chair and state secretary of transportation James T Smith says of Gartner who has been acting in the job since June:  "He never hesitates to toll up his sleeces, put in long hours and get the job done. Bruce has a keen sense of policy development, fiscal responsibility and the legislative process at both the state and federal levels."

QuoteGartner, 48, comes out of a 24 year career at Maryland DOT where he has been director of its office of policy and governmental affairs for the past six years, and has also been assistant secretary of policy and freight, operating budget manager and a state legislative officer before that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 27, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Baltimore Sun op-ed: Man racked up more than $13,000 in unpaid Maryland tolls, fees - A highway toll-runner has reason to be thankful as fees are wiped away (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-rodricks-1126-20131125,0,3761913.column)

QuoteI spoke to him and looked into his problem – $720 in unpaid E-ZPass tolls and late charges, plus $13,000 in administrative fees over a two-year period.

QuoteThe numbers are staggering. But I can't say I'm terribly sympathetic. As one who pays these tolls – along with just about 99 percent of all E-ZPass subscribers – I'm not about to take up for someone who doesn't.

QuoteHe figured he'd pay the tolls and late fees later on, when he had more money.

QuoteBut he apparently underestimated his liability. If you don't pay E-ZPass tolls, in time additional late charges and administrative fees are added. Gregory says his bill hit $13,000. The MdTA, he adds, went after his state income tax refunds and got about $4,600 of that total.

QuoteHere's the part most relevant to Eric Gregory: The new law gave anyone with unpaid tolls before July 1 an opportunity to pay their balances without having to pay the administrative fees.

QuoteI passed along Gregory's phone number to the MdTA. A member of the MdTA's E-ZPass operations team contacted him Monday morning.

QuoteMonday afternoon, Gregory called me, excited.

Quote"What did you do?" he asked. "The MdTA called and said they are wiping away the $13,000 in fees."

QuoteAs I just explained, I didn't do anything, the General Assembly did. The MdTA stopped imposing administrative fees, and now toll-running is handled with citations, fines and suspensions.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on November 28, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 27, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Baltimore Sun op-ed: Man racked up more than $13,000 in unpaid Maryland tolls, fees - A highway toll-runner has reason to be thankful as fees are wiped away (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-rodricks-1126-20131125,0,3761913.column)

QuoteI spoke to him and looked into his problem – $720 in unpaid E-ZPass tolls and late charges, plus $13,000 in administrative fees over a two-year period.

QuoteThe numbers are staggering. But I can't say I'm terribly sympathetic. As one who pays these tolls – along with just about 99 percent of all E-ZPass subscribers – I'm not about to take up for someone who doesn't.

QuoteHe figured he'd pay the tolls and late fees later on, when he had more money.

QuoteBut he apparently underestimated his liability. If you don't pay E-ZPass tolls, in time additional late charges and administrative fees are added. Gregory says his bill hit $13,000. The MdTA, he adds, went after his state income tax refunds and got about $4,600 of that total.

QuoteHere's the part most relevant to Eric Gregory: The new law gave anyone with unpaid tolls before July 1 an opportunity to pay their balances without having to pay the administrative fees.

QuoteI passed along Gregory's phone number to the MdTA. A member of the MdTA's E-ZPass operations team contacted him Monday morning.

QuoteMonday afternoon, Gregory called me, excited.

Quote"What did you do?" he asked. "The MdTA called and said they are wiping away the $13,000 in fees."

QuoteAs I just explained, I didn't do anything, the General Assembly did. The MdTA stopped imposing administrative fees, and now toll-running is handled with citations, fines and suspensions.

What's really upsetting is that the fee schedule for fees and fines is higher than it would be if the man didn't pay an equivalent amount of taxes timely.  Everyone should pay their tolls and those who cheat should pay a penalty, but the amount must be reasonable. 

The IRS failure to pay penalty (but who filed timely):

If you do not pay your taxes by the due date, you will generally have to pay a failure-to-pay penalty of ½ of 1 percent of your unpaid taxes for each month or part of a month after the due date that the taxes are not paid. This penalty can be as much as 25 percent of your unpaid taxes.

So 2 years would add on a penalty of 12%
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on November 29, 2013, 10:56:06 AM
I agree. $13,000 in late fees for $720 over a two-year period is... usurious.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2013, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: mrsman on November 28, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
What's really upsetting is that the fee schedule for fees and fines is higher than it would be if the man didn't pay an equivalent amount of taxes timely.  Everyone should pay their tolls and those who cheat should pay a penalty, but the amount must be reasonable.

Strongly agreed.   

Quote from: mrsman on November 28, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
The IRS failure to pay penalty (but who filed timely):

If you do not pay your taxes by the due date, you will generally have to pay a failure-to-pay penalty of ½ of 1 percent of your unpaid taxes for each month or part of a month after the due date that the taxes are not paid. This penalty can be as much as 25 percent of your unpaid taxes.

So 2 years would add on a penalty of 12%

Excellent points. 

I think MdTA has gotten rid of the massive penalties permanently.  Much better for them to put a hold on registration renewals, which will get people to pay up.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 01, 2013, 12:29:56 AM
Washington Post op-ed: Montgomery's bus rapid transit looks like a feel-good plan rather than a realistic blueprint (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/montgomerys-bus-rapid-transit-looks-like-feel-good-plan-rather-than-realistic-blueprint/2013/11/30/3a1271bc-5960-11e3-ba82-16ed03681809_story.html)

QuoteThe original, bold, visionary plan to solve traffic gridlock in Montgomery County called for 160 miles of fancy, new bus lanes.

QuoteUnder the actual plan adopted Tuesday, the so-called bus rapid transit network shrank to 98 miles.

QuoteThe original plan envisioned double lanes running down medians of many major highways.

QuoteThe actual plan provides for one lane, maybe, in key corridors inside the Beltway, such as Rockville Pike and Colesville Road – and only if the neighbors approve.

QuoteDid I mention there's no agreement on how to pay for this? That the project might absorb funds needed for the Metro system and Montgomery's Ride On buses? That it can succeed only if large numbers of residents are coaxed to switch from driving their own cars to riding county buses?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 02, 2013, 08:41:42 AM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on November 29, 2013, 10:56:06 AM
I agree. $13,000 in late fees for $720 over a two-year period is... usurious.

Not really.  You're not looking at the penalities as individual occurrences.

Look at it this way: I have a $1,000 credit card bill.  I forget to pay it ontime, and get charged a $35 fee. 

Now, I do this all year long.  Every month, I forget to pay it. I eventually pay it - just not by the due date.  Should my fee be $35 or $420?

That's what happened in this case: Guy didn't have EZ Pass.  Daily, he would go thru the EZ Pass lane.  He ignored the lane display sign and the notices.  And the "You don't have to pay after a certain time" never came up in conversation?  Should he be fined once - pay just a $50 admin charge for the ability to ignore the EZ Pass rules day after day?  Or should he pay on each occurrance?

I'm sure if he started getting these notices and made a phone call, realizing he was in error, EZ Pass would've helped him out - waived the fees, etc.  When you do this for 2 years and rack up a foot-tall pile of violation notices, he's lucky if he gets any break whatsoever.

BTW, if the IRS penalty is 1/2 of 1 percent each month, that's traditionally very low.  Most credit cards charge 1.5% each month for starters.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 02, 2013, 01:38:37 PM
Baltimore Sun: Code Orange air quality alert issued, relatively rare outside summertime (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/weather-blog/bal-wx-code-orange-air-quality-alert-issued-relatively-rare-outside-summertime-20131202,0,2010943.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: deathtopumpkins on December 03, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but what does an air quality alert have to do with roads?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on December 03, 2013, 11:03:19 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on December 03, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but what does an air quality alert have to do with roads?

Everything, if you ask those of certain political beliefs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on December 03, 2013, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on December 03, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but what does an air quality alert have to do with roads?

I wanted to ask that too. but didn't have the balls.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: deathtopumpkins on December 03, 2013, 11:33:19 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2013, 11:03:19 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on December 03, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but what does an air quality alert have to do with roads?

Everything, if you ask those of certain political beliefs.

I actually clicked on it expecting it to be somehow cars' fault, but nope. Apparently just a naturally-occuring stagnant warm air mass.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on December 03, 2013, 02:41:17 PM
It often is partially the fault of cars. But CP's gonna CP.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on December 03, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but what does an air quality alert have to do with roads?

In Maryland, the two are intimately related (as far as some people and groups are concerned).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2013, 07:19:02 PM
N.Y. Times: 'Riding With the 12 O'Clock Boys' (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/opinion/riding-with-the-12-oclock-boys.html)

QuoteLong before I actually saw any of the 12 O'Clock Boys, a notorious group of dirt bike riders in Baltimore, I heard them. The rev of their motors, even at a distance, was a regular addition to the constant soundscape of helicopters and sirens. (Their name is in reference to the vertical position the riders attempt while pulling off wheelies.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 05, 2013, 06:41:29 PM
Off-topic discussion has been elimitanted

Also, CP, please stop posting articles that aren't related to roads. Just because something happens on a road, does not make it related to the topic of roads per this forum. Crashes are not related, unless there is a particular substandard feature or result of the crash that is related to the road at hand. Drunk driving is not related. Etc.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 19, 2013, 07:41:40 PM
Baltimore Sun: Toll rates set for I-95 express lanes - MdTA says rates will start at low end of approved scale (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-etl-toll-rates-20131219,0,7537799.story)

QuoteThe average rush-hour commuter will pay about $3.50 in daily round-trip tolls to use the new express lanes being built along Interstate 95 north of Baltimore, according to a rate structure approved by the Maryland Transportation Authority's board on Thursday.

QuotePeak-hour rates will be set at 25 cents per mile along the 7-mile stretch for two-axle vehicles, with drivers paying 20 cents per mile during off-peak hours and 10 cents per mile during overnight hours.

QuoteThose rates fall at the low end of the toll range approved in September by the board, based on recommendations from MdTA staff, who considered consultants' reports on traffic volumes and the value of drivers' time.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mc78andrew on December 19, 2013, 11:51:27 PM
Have any of the HOT lane operators considered offering a limited number of monthly passes to use the toll lanes for a fixed rate?  It could help them drive revenue, especially if they were to jack the toll rates a little more for those that want the flexibility to pay as you go.

I think it would be awesome if there were a fixed number of cars allowed in the HOT lanes.  Then drivers could place their bid for how much they want to pay via smart phone.  The system would then respond back with whether their bid had been accepted or rejected with another higher price offer.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on December 20, 2013, 08:10:28 AM
The problem with that approach is that the HOV users can still ride for free, and there would still be some variability in how many HOV users there would be.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on December 20, 2013, 10:53:16 AM
Note that Maryland's I-95 "Express Toll Lanes" are not HO/T lanes. They're simply express lanes: Anyone may use them as long as you pay the toll (subject to any restrictions for things like HAZMATs or big trucks–I have no idea if any such restrictions will apply). There won't be an HOV exemption of the sort Virginia allows.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2013, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 20, 2013, 10:53:16 AM
Note that Maryland's I-95 "Express Toll Lanes" are not HO/T lanes. They're simply express lanes: Anyone may use them as long as you pay the toll (subject to any restrictions for things like HAZMATs or big trucks–I have no idea if any such restrictions will apply). There won't be an HOV exemption of the sort Virginia allows.

I believe all vehicles will be allowed in the I-95 ETLs, though southbound that may be an issue for HAZMAT loads, since if such a truck enters them north of Md. 43, they will be committed to I-95 headed for the Fort McHenry Tunnel or I-895 headed for the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel (though they have opportunity to exit those prior to the tunnel portals on I-95 and I-895).

HAZMATs are not allowed to cross either tunnel  For some reason (toll revenue, perhaps(?)), signage by MdTA and SHA tries to encourage them to use I-695 across the F.S. Key Bridge, not I-695 across the "topside" of Baltimore.  Traffic volumes are also lower across most of the southern route as well, though the Baltimore Beltway between I-95 and the FSK Bridge is not exactly Interstate-standard (and even though it is signed that way, it is still internally considered Md. 695).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 22, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2013, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 20, 2013, 10:53:16 AM
Note that Maryland's I-95 "Express Toll Lanes" are not HO/T lanes. They're simply express lanes: Anyone may use them as long as you pay the toll (subject to any restrictions for things like HAZMATs or big trucks–I have no idea if any such restrictions will apply). There won't be an HOV exemption of the sort Virginia allows.

I believe all vehicles will be allowed in the I-95 ETLs, though southbound that may be an issue for HAZMAT loads, since if such a truck enters them north of Md. 43, they will be committed to I-95 headed for the Fort McHenry Tunnel or I-895 headed for the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel (though they have opportunity to exit those prior to the tunnel portals on I-95 and I-895).

HAZMATs are not allowed to cross either tunnel  For some reason (toll revenue, perhaps(?)), signage by MdTA and SHA tries to encourage them to use I-695 across the F.S. Key Bridge, not I-695 across the "topside" of Baltimore.  Traffic volumes are also lower across most of the southern route as well, though the Baltimore Beltway between I-95 and the FSK Bridge is not exactly Interstate-standard (and even though it is signed that way, it is still internally considered Md. 695).
Key Bridge is also the shorter route vs. the western half of the beltway. While toll revenue is one factor, there are definitely others.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on December 22, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
It's also a mainly industrial area with less traffic, better for hazmats.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on December 25, 2013, 05:31:24 AM
It's still only 4 lanes though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on December 25, 2013, 06:07:43 AM
Quote from: kj3400 on December 25, 2013, 05:31:24 AM
It's still only 4 lanes though.
So? Is it four overloaded lanes or four freely-flowing lanes?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2013, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on December 25, 2013, 05:31:24 AM
It's still only 4 lanes though.

Thanks to the massive loss of jobs when the Sparrows Point steel mill was shut-down for good recently, four lanes is plenty enough.  And even when Sparrows point was running in the 1970's, the approaches on both sides of the Francis Scott Key Bridge were both Super-2-type roads.  The approach on the west side (from Glen Burnie) was upgraded to four lanes divided in the 1980's, the east side approach from Sparrows Point and Middle River was upgraded in the late 1990's. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 27, 2013, 03:58:50 PM
It always puzzled me that so many miles of freeway were planned for eastern Baltimore County; we could have had the Outer Crossing of the Back River, the rest of the Windlass Freeway and the existing Beltway all serving the area. It would have been grossly over adequate for the industrial presence in the area today; the only way it would have been worthwhile is if the Back River crossing had been replaced with a Northern Bay Bridge instead.

On a different note, it is now more obvious to me than ever that the MdTA will regret it if they don't amend their 2003 Master Plan for I-95. I was up there a few days ago and it is apparent now that weekday traffic levels are rising to a point where ending the ETLs at Exit 80 will eliminate a major opportunity to further improve capacity. I firmly believe that the MdTA should study an extension of the ETLs all the way to Exit 89 (MD 155) and the replacement of the Tydings Bridge with a 10-lane facility that is sufficiently wide to allow the inner 2 travel lanes to be segregated for ETLs in the future.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on December 27, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 27, 2013, 03:58:50 PM
.... and the replacement of the Tydings Bridge with a 10-lane facility that is sufficiently wide to allow the inner 2 travel lanes to be segregated for ETLs in the future.

This being Maryland you need to phrase that differently!!!! The irrational types will balk at "segregated" even though it's the perfectly accurate word.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 27, 2013, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 27, 2013, 03:58:50 PM
.... and the replacement of the Tydings Bridge with a 10-lane facility that is sufficiently wide to allow the inner 2 travel lanes to be segregated for ETLs in the future.

This being Maryland you need to phrase that differently!!!! The irrational types will balk at "segregated" even though it's the perfectly accurate word.
Actually, you're the irrational one for manufacturing that controversy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on December 27, 2013, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: Steve on December 27, 2013, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 27, 2013, 03:58:50 PM
.... and the replacement of the Tydings Bridge with a 10-lane facility that is sufficiently wide to allow the inner 2 travel lanes to be segregated for ETLs in the future.

This being Maryland you need to phrase that differently!!!! The irrational types will balk at "segregated" even though it's the perfectly accurate word.
Actually, you're the irrational one for manufacturing that controversy.

Misplaced your sense of humor? I thought my comment was so obviously absurd that a smiley wasn't needed, but I guess that only applies to a certain other poster. Sorry for misunderstanding how things are.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 27, 2013, 08:57:13 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2013, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: Steve on December 27, 2013, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 27, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 27, 2013, 03:58:50 PM
.... and the replacement of the Tydings Bridge with a 10-lane facility that is sufficiently wide to allow the inner 2 travel lanes to be segregated for ETLs in the future.

This being Maryland you need to phrase that differently!!!! The irrational types will balk at "segregated" even though it's the perfectly accurate word.
Actually, you're the irrational one for manufacturing that controversy.

Misplaced your sense of humor? I thought my comment was so obviously absurd that a smiley wasn't needed, but I guess that only applies to a certain other poster. Sorry for misunderstanding how things are.
I am the first, and remain the only, person who cannot recognize typed sarcasm on the Internet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on December 27, 2013, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: Steve on December 27, 2013, 08:57:13 PM
I am the first, and remain the only, person who cannot recognize typed sarcasm on the Internet.

You're not the Lone Ranger. I miss it sometimes too.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 27, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2013, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: Steve on December 27, 2013, 08:57:13 PM
I am the first, and remain the only, person who cannot recognize typed sarcasm on the Internet.

You're not the Lone Ranger. I miss it sometimes too.
(like right there)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on January 08, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
New Maryland House travel plaza set to open in mid-January

A ribbon cutting is scheduled for Jan. 13th, as part of a "sneak peek".

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-maryland-house-update-0108-20140108,0,1522063.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-maryland-house-update-0108-20140108,0,1522063.story)

They said that Chesapeake House will close once Maryland House opens.  I noticed that there has already been significant construction of the new Chesapeake service plaza with the old one still open, so maybe it won't have to be closed for as long.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 08, 2014, 01:28:08 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on January 08, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
New Maryland House travel plaza set to open in mid-January

A ribbon cutting is scheduled for Jan. 13th, as part of a "sneak peek".

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-maryland-house-update-0108-20140108,0,1522063.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-maryland-house-update-0108-20140108,0,1522063.story)

They said that Chesapeake House will close once Maryland House opens.  I noticed that there has already been significant construction of the new Chesapeake service plaza with the old one still open, so maybe it won't have to be closed for as long.
Can we be sure the weather won't interfere with either the reopening of Maryland House and closing of Chesapeake House?

And what about the preservation of the historical markers?

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on January 13, 2014, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on January 08, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
New Maryland House travel plaza set to open in mid-January

A ribbon cutting is scheduled for Jan. 13th, as part of a "sneak peek".

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-maryland-house-update-0108-20140108,0,1522063.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-maryland-house-update-0108-20140108,0,1522063.story)

They said that Chesapeake House will close once Maryland House opens.  I noticed that there has already been significant construction of the new Chesapeake service plaza with the old one still open, so maybe it won't have to be closed for as long.
I passed by there last night and the whole place was lit up.  The site itself looked ready to go.  They just have to get the signage along the highway up and the ramps reopened.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2014, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: BrianP on January 13, 2014, 01:37:13 PM
I passed by there last night and the whole place was lit up.  The site itself looked ready to go.  They just have to get the signage along the highway up and the ramps reopened.

Baltimore Sun: Maryland House set to open by midnight Thursday (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-md-house-opens-at-midnight-0117-20140116,0,1124998.story)

QuoteThe new $30 million Maryland House Travel Plaza along I-95 near Aberdeen will officially open to the public by midnight Thursday, according to the Maryland Transportation Authority and plaza manager Areas USA.

QuoteAround 6 p.m., last-minute details were being taken care of, such as placing signs and moving construction barrels, Cheryl Sparks of the Maryland Transportation Authority said Thursday evening. The new plaza could open earlier than midnight, depending when those details are finished, she said.

QuoteWith the Maryland House opening, the Chesapeake House Travel Plaza on I-95 in Cecil County will close for reconstruction sometime Friday morning, Sparks said. Highway signs will notify motorists of the changes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 21, 2014, 01:47:45 PM
Images on Facebook (you should be able to access even if you don't do Facebook) from the reconstructed Maryland House, and featuring a few AAROADS friends.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10202201975122959.1073741835.1596953667&type=1&l=8c9c8bae9d (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10202201975122959.1073741835.1596953667&type=1&l=8c9c8bae9d)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 21, 2014, 06:38:15 PM
No more trigger burgers?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 21, 2014, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 21, 2014, 06:38:15 PM
No more trigger burgers?

Not there!  You can get one at a brand-new Roy Rogers located on Md. 198 just west of U.S. 29 (less than 3 miles west of I-95) in Burtonsville, Montgomery County, Md.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 26, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 21, 2014, 01:47:45 PM
Images on Facebook (you should be able to access even if you don't do Facebook) from the reconstructed Maryland House, and featuring a few AAROADS friends.
This is the replacement for the Travelers Information floor?:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1536502_10202202013163910_1013675012_n.jpg
I think I'm going to vomit.

At least they kept at least one of the historical markers.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 26, 2014, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 26, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 21, 2014, 01:47:45 PM
Images on Facebook (you should be able to access even if you don't do Facebook) from the reconstructed Maryland House, and featuring a few AAROADS friends.
This is the replacement for the Travelers Information floor?:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1536502_10202202013163910_1013675012_n.jpg
I think I'm going to vomit.

At least they kept at least one of the historical markers.

There is an actual information counter to the left of this image, which I did not photograph because the lighting was not great and there was an employee behind the counter (and I could have blurred the face as I did with other images).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 29, 2014, 11:43:09 PM
WTOP Radio: Beltway's danger corridor averages 260 crashes (http://www.wtop.com/654/3551325/Beltway-crashes-worst-along-this-corridor)

QuoteIt's one of the busiest highways in the Washington metro area. And it's also one of the most likely places to encounter a wreck.

QuoteNewly released numbers from the Maryland State Highway Administration show that the section of the Capital Beltway between Georgia Avenue and Rockville Pike sees an average of 260 documented crashes per year.

QuoteThe figure is based on a five-year count between 2008 and 2013. The actual number of crashes is likely much higher, since many fender-benders and spin-outs often go unreported to police.

QuoteThere have been five fatal crashes over the last five years.

QuoteThe frequency of wrecks is linked to the route's high demand. This 4-mile stretch of the Beltway carries almost a quarter of a million vehicles per day - that adds up to almost 80 million drivers every single year.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 30, 2014, 06:07:15 PM
Someone I know elsewhere made a good point:  WTOP should have been looking at crash RATES, not the number of crashes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2014, 11:38:00 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 30, 2014, 06:07:15 PM
Someone I know elsewhere made a good point:  WTOP should have been looking at crash RATES, not the number of crashes.

Certainly a crashes as a function of VMT are a good metric, but IMO, absolute crash rates, as compared to other sections of the Capital Beltway is also a reasonable way to discuss this.

Driving the Outer Loop between Md. 185 (Connecticut Avenue, Exit 33) and Md. 355 (Rockville Pike, Exit 34) and I-270 (Exit 35), there's a metric that needs no analysis of crash reports or VMT that can be seen by just driving it - the large number of skidmarks in several of the 4+ lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 31, 2014, 06:10:37 PM
Saying that stretch has the most crashes on the Beltway, without using another metric, is like saying the sky is blue.  It has the highest volumes on the Beltway...of course it stands to reason that it has the most crashes.  That's why using crash RATES is important in a story like this.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 31, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2014, 06:10:37 PM
Saying that stretch has the most crashes on the Beltway, without using another metric, is like saying the sky is blue.  It has the highest volumes on the Beltway...of course it stands to reason that it has the most crashes.  That's why using crash RATES is important in a story like this.

I disagree - because many people not "in the business" are going to have a tough time with crashes per millions of VMT. 

They can relate to the number of crashes on the Beltway between I-270/Md. 355 and Md. 97, and regular drivers know that traffic along that segment is usually very busy, even if they don't have any idea of what AADT or AAWDT mean.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2014, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 31, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2014, 06:10:37 PM
Saying that stretch has the most crashes on the Beltway, without using another metric, is like saying the sky is blue.  It has the highest volumes on the Beltway...of course it stands to reason that it has the most crashes.  That's why using crash RATES is important in a story like this.

I disagree - because many people not "in the business" are going to have a tough time with crashes per millions of VMT. 

They can relate to the number of crashes on the Beltway between I-270/Md. 355 and Md. 97, and regular drivers know that traffic along that segment is usually very busy, even if they don't have any idea of what AADT or AAWDT mean.

what.  this actually seems like a failure on those doing the explaining.  it would take me approximately 30 seconds to explain to a newcomer "you have to measure per driving rate.  total accidents make no sense compared to accidents per miles driven."

"not in the business" is a copout.  everyone who has a stake in a more reasonable approach to safe driving (i.e. anyone who has been pulled over in a 25mph speed trap) has the responsibility to be "in the business" of explaining, to the uninformed masses, the basic facts which are the rationale behind more correct design. 

do you want "reasonable and prudent"?

then let's go get it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 31, 2014, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2014, 07:05:39 PM
what.  this actually seems like a failure on those doing the explaining.  it would take me approximately 30 seconds to explain to a newcomer "you have to measure per driving rate.  total accidents make no sense compared to accidents per miles driven."

I think most AAROADS participants probably have that understanding.  But remember that this story was written for on-air use on WTOP Radio, a commercial-supported all-news radio station, where the entire report might get 30 seconds of airtime.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2014, 07:05:39 PM
"not in the business" is a copout.  everyone who has a stake in a more reasonable approach to safe driving (i.e. anyone who has been pulled over in a 25mph speed trap) has the responsibility to be "in the business" of explaining, to the uninformed masses, the basic facts which are the rationale behind more correct design.

There is seldom any speed limit enforcement at all on this section of the Capital Beltway.  The Maryland State Police are severely overworked in this county, and usually spend all of their time running from one call to the next.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2014, 07:05:39 PM
do you want "reasonable and prudent"?

That is effectively what we have on the Capital Beltway in Montgomery County - though it has periods of severe congestion 7 days per week.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2014, 07:05:39 PM
then let's go get it.

I do not dispute anything you say above.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on January 31, 2014, 11:10:35 PM
tldr: talk radio listeners are dumbfucks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on February 13, 2014, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2014, 11:38:00 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 30, 2014, 06:07:15 PM
Someone I know elsewhere made a good point:  WTOP should have been looking at crash RATES, not the number of crashes.

Certainly a crashes as a function of VMT are a good metric, but IMO, absolute crash rates, as compared to other sections of the Capital Beltway is also a reasonable way to discuss this.

Driving the Outer Loop between Md. 185 (Connecticut Avenue, Exit 33) and Md. 355 (Rockville Pike, Exit 34) and I-270 (Exit 35), there's a metric that needs no analysis of crash reports or VMT that can be seen by just driving it - the large number of skidmarks in several of the 4+ lanes.

I generally believe it too.  This is the section of Beltway that I most frequently drive.  Part of the problem is that this is a very curvy stretch of roadway.  Another issue is the weaving on the Inner Loop at the Georgia Ave exit.  I have no idea why they never converted this exit to a parclo (like they did on the outer loop side), there's even a traffic light on the exit to southbound Georgia that was placed a couple years ago.  All they have to do is allow left turns from that traffic light and get rid of the ramp from the inner loop to northbound Georgia.

The other general problem with this stretch, especially on the inner loop, is that drivers have to change lanes to get where they're going.  If you are coming in from 270 and want to exit at Georgia, you have to make a minimum of 2 lane changes.  There's generally enough time to do it, but because the road is so curvy this is a difficult maneuver.  It's even worse if you come on the Inner Loop from southbound Rockville Pike.  You are placed in a left hand exit where you have to merge into the fast lane and then make 3 lane changes.  If I'm coming that way, I usually avoid this merge by continue south on Rockville Pike and making a u-turn at Alta Vista and then using the northbound Rockville Pike ramp that joins the Beltway from the right side.  But most people probably don't do that, so that contributes to the relative danger of this section of Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 17, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
Any idea which agency is responsible for this bridge on Maryland Route 2 entering Baltimore from the south?

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 17, 2014, 08:23:40 PM
Never mind. I sent the Maryland State Highway Administration a tweet and they responded.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 17, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 17, 2014, 08:23:40 PM
Never mind. I sent the Maryland State Highway Administration a tweet and they responded.
Is it theirs?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 17, 2014, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 17, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 17, 2014, 08:23:40 PM
Never mind. I sent the Maryland State Highway Administration a tweet and they responded.
Is it theirs?
I don't know. They sent two replies:

Quote@MDSHA: Pls fill this out and we will get the request to the right agency. Thanks. -Jp http://t.co/Y8C2NI5CpN

I filled in the form and they replied:

Quote@MDSHA: We will work on those ASAP. The crews who fix them also plow the roads & we're getting more snow in the a.m. Jp
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 17, 2014, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 17, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
Any idea which agency is responsible for this bridge on Maryland Route 2 entering Baltimore from the south?



Baltimore City is an independent city (in the style of every city in the Commonwealth of Virginia), and as such, maintains nearly all street and highway infrastructure within city limits, except MdTA-maintained Interstates (all of I-95, I-395, I-695 and I-895 within the corporate limits of Baltimore).  The State Highway Administration maintains nothing in the city, even though SHA's main office is at 707 North Calvert Street.

You crossed the South Hanover Street Bridge, which is indeed signed as Md. 2 (but is still Baltimore City municipal maintenance).  I took a look at GSV to see what the bridge deck looked like when they came by, and amusingly, the GSV camera caught the City's maintenance forces patching the bridge deck (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=baltimore+md&ll=39.256299,-76.616914&spn=0.008125,0.015857&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=np&hnear=Baltimore,+Maryland&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.256473,-76.616837&panoid=Png4-mZU7Dey8TZJrZYTLA&cbp=12,67.26,,0,23.64).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on February 18, 2014, 04:55:04 AM
They've been working on it for a while. I live very close to it, and the city was patching it up a couple of months ago. But I think this winter has been rough on our streets. Quite a few potholes have opened up, me and my cousin nearly drove into one on Patapsco Avenue.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 18, 2014, 09:22:32 AM
I just got an e-mail saying they transferred the issue to Baltimore City. That works for me. It was a situation where as someone who isn't a resident of that area I wasn't sure where the city limits are and I didn't know if they have a system like in Virginia where the state still maintains certain roads even in the independent cities.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 18, 2014, 09:22:32 AM
I just got an e-mail saying they transferred the issue to Baltimore City. That works for me. It was a situation where as someone who isn't a resident of that area I wasn't sure where the city limits are and I didn't know if they have a system like in Virginia where the state still maintains certain roads even in the independent cities.

SHA is pretty good about that, and you did the right thing contacting them.

To add to the fun, in nearly every other municipality in Maryland, the SHA maintains all roads with a state, U.S. or Interstate route number, even within the corporate limits of a city, town or village (but no boroughs or townships, since those do not exist in Maryland).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2014, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 18, 2014, 04:55:04 AM
They've been working on it for a while. I live very close to it, and the city was patching it up a couple of months ago.

IMO, a complete deck replacement looks to be in order.  When I've crossed it, it seems that traffic volumes are usually low enough that such a project could take two lanes at a time for a demolition and cast-in-place job (but there attractive architectural features of this span that need to be respected).

Quote from: kj3400 on February 18, 2014, 04:55:04 AM
But I think this winter has been rough on our streets. Quite a few potholes have opened up, me and my cousin nearly drove into one on Patapsco Avenue.

A lot of Baltimore City streets and roads have that beat-to-hell look about them.  But on the other hand, the city does seem to eventually get around to doing bridge deck replacements when needed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 20, 2014, 11:46:59 PM
WTOP Radio: House passes measure to allow 70-mph speed limits (http://www.wtop.com/46/3567006/House-passes-measure-to-allow-70-mph-speed-limits)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 21, 2014, 07:06:31 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 20, 2014, 11:46:59 PM
WTOP Radio: House passes measure to allow 70-mph speed limits (http://www.wtop.com/46/3567006/House-passes-measure-to-allow-70-mph-speed-limits)

That's a great development. Hopefully the Bill passes the state Senate that easily as well and gets signed into law without any delays. I would be curious to know which highways SHA or MdTA would increase limits on first.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 07:56:50 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 21, 2014, 07:06:31 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 20, 2014, 11:46:59 PM
WTOP Radio: House passes measure to allow 70-mph speed limits (http://www.wtop.com/46/3567006/House-passes-measure-to-allow-70-mph-speed-limits)

That's a great development. Hopefully the Bill passes the state Senate that easily as well and gets signed into law without any delays. I would be curious to know which highways SHA or MdTA would increase limits on first.

An SHA spokesman already noted the bill doesn't require them to increase any speed limits. Hopefully it wouldn't turn into an eastern version of Oregon!

The two places that instantly come to mind as appropriate are I-68 west of Cumberland (probably with a lower limit coming down the mountain into the city) and US-50 between the Capital Beltway and the Annapolis area (which could be 75 if hey allowed it). I'm not saying there aren't other places where higher limits would be appropriate, just that these two seem by far the most obvious.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 21, 2014, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 07:56:50 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 21, 2014, 07:06:31 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 20, 2014, 11:46:59 PM
WTOP Radio: House passes measure to allow 70-mph speed limits (http://www.wtop.com/46/3567006/House-passes-measure-to-allow-70-mph-speed-limits)

That's a great development. Hopefully the Bill passes the state Senate that easily as well and gets signed into law without any delays. I would be curious to know which highways SHA or MdTA would increase limits on first.

An SHA spokesman already noted the bill doesn't require them to increase any speed limits. Hopefully it wouldn't turn into an eastern version of Oregon!

The two places that instantly come to mind as appropriate are I-68 west of Cumberland (probably with a lower limit coming down the mountain into the city) and US-50 between the Capital Beltway and the Annapolis area (which could be 75 if hey allowed it). I'm not saying there aren't other places where higher limits would be appropriate, just that these two seem by far the most obvious.

IMO, all or very nearly all of the JFK Highway between I-695 and the Delaware Line could and should be posted 70 MPH.  Only exception is approaching and crossing the Millard Tydings Bridge over the Susquehanna River, where a permanent (or variable) lower limit might be appropriate because of the cross winds on that structure - and because northbound traffic must slow for the toll barrier at Perryville prior to Md. 222.

I-70 between Frederick (Exit 56) and U.S. 29 (Exit 87) could be 70 - as well as I-70 between Hancock (Exit 3) and Md. 55 (Exit 35).
 
EDIT:  While we are at it, most of the Capital Beltway in both states should be 65.  Exception for the "roller coaster" section between Exit 31 (Md. 97) and Exit 35 and Exit 36 (Md. 355 and I-270).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
I don't know whether the bill would allow higher speed limits on roads with at-grade intersections, and I suspect it wouldn't matter because they wouldn't post them anyway. But I think US-15 from north of Frederick up to the Pennsylvania state line could certainly be posted higher than it is (last Saturday I had my cruise control set at 65 on there just to prevent myself from going faster). It's been a few years since I've been on US-301 on the Eastern Shore and I don't know what the speed limit is there, but I seem to recall that being another road that should be posted at 65, at least once you get past Queenstown.

Regarding the JFK Highway, I agree there, at least once the construction is complete near White Marsh (I'm assuming it's still ongoing).

I-83 north of Timonium might be appropriate as well, although last Saturday I was going 70 on there and I found I was the fastest guy on the road until we got north of York. So maybe the current 65 is appropriate based on traffic flow.

My wife commented on how annoying it is coming south on I-270 that the speed limit drops from 65 to 55 right before the road widens out to three lanes. I can't foresee them posting 70 on that current 65-mph segment just because it's relatively short and because it's got a fair number of curves and hills that slow down the trucks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 21, 2014, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
I don't know whether the bill would allow higher speed limits on roads with at-grade intersections, and I suspect it wouldn't matter because they wouldn't post them anyway. But I think US-15 from north of Frederick up to the Pennsylvania state line could certainly be posted higher than it is (last Saturday I had my cruise control set at 65 on there just to prevent myself from going faster). It's been a few years since I've been on US-301 on the Eastern Shore and I don't know what the speed limit is there, but I seem to recall that being another road that should be posted at 65, at least once you get past Queenstown.

I agree - both U.S. 15 north of Frederick and U.S. 301 between the Delaware line and Queenstown should be posted 65 MPH.   

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
Regarding the JFK Highway, I agree there, at least once the construction is complete near White Marsh (I'm assuming it's still ongoing).

There is still a lot of work to be done there, so the limit should stay in place at 55 for now.  But once the ETLs are done, they should be posted 70 MPH, and most of the rest of the JFK Highway
(exceptions noted above) should be posted 70.

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
I-83 north of Timonium might be appropriate as well, although last Saturday I was going 70 on there and I found I was the fastest guy on the road until we got north of York. So maybe the current 65 is appropriate based on traffic flow.

I-83 is relatively old as far as Maryland Interstate highways go, and I think with all of those sweeping curves north of Timonium, it should stay 65.

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
My wife commented on how annoying it is coming south on I-270 that the speed limit drops from 65 to 55 right before the road widens out to three lanes. I can't foresee them posting 70 on that current 65-mph segment just because it's relatively short and because it's got a fair number of curves and hills that slow down the trucks.

I-270 is a mess, and it is mostly related to the Montgomery County Council and the excessive impact that limousine liberals have on that body - limousine liberals that do not obey the speed limit and never use transit.  Nearly all of 270 should be posted 65 MPH or maybe even 70.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 21, 2014, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 21, 2014, 03:59:32 PM
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I-270 is a mess, and it is mostly related to the Montgomery County Council and the excessive impact that limousine liberals have on that body - limousine liberals that do not obey the speed limit and never use transit.  Nearly all of 270 should be posted 65 MPH or maybe even 70.

I think it ought to have different speed limits in the "Express" and "Local" lanes, with the "Express" carriageways being higher (65 or 70 versus 55 or 60 in the local). The slip ramps back and forth between the carriageways don't seem to be an issue because almost nobody ever drives in the right lane on I-270 anyway!

North of that system's end, 70 mph seems appropriate to near the truck scales, at which point the current 65 mph seems adequate due to the hills and curves I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 22, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
I suspect that the first roadway in Maryland that will be signed at 70 is I-68, and I believe this because I suspect the Maryland state government will be trying to tempt more long-distance passenger and truck traffic to stay in Maryland instead of going north to Breezewood.

Once this passes I would expect there to be a lot of lobbying from truckers' groups to post 70mph signage on I-68.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 22, 2014, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 22, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
I suspect that the first roadway in Maryland that will be signed at 70 is I-68, and I believe this because I suspect the Maryland state government will be trying to tempt more long-distance passenger and truck traffic to stay in Maryland instead of going north to Breezewood.

Once this passes I would expect there to be a lot of lobbying from truckers' groups to post 70mph signage on I-68.

I-68 should not (and IMO cannot) have a posted limit that high eastbound on the long descent from the Eastern Continental Divide to Cumberland - even for cars and motorcycles, and especially not for commercial vehicles.

In Garrett County otherwise, 70 is appropriate - the grades and curves are relatively gentle. 

Between U.S. 220 North and I-70, I am not so enthused about a higher posted limit there either - quite a few long and relatively steep grades, as well as a fair number of relatively sharp curves.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on February 22, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 22, 2014, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 22, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
I suspect that the first roadway in Maryland that will be signed at 70 is I-68, and I believe this because I suspect the Maryland state government will be trying to tempt more long-distance passenger and truck traffic to stay in Maryland instead of going north to Breezewood.

Once this passes I would expect there to be a lot of lobbying from truckers' groups to post 70mph signage on I-68.

I-68 should not (and IMO cannot) have a posted limit that high eastbound on the long descent from the Eastern Continental Divide to Cumberland - even for cars and motorcycles, and especially not for commercial vehicles.

In Garrett County otherwise, 70 is appropriate - the grades and curves are relatively gentle. 

Between U.S. 220 North and I-70, I am not so enthused about a higher posted limit there either - quite a few long and relatively steep grades, as well as a fair number of relatively sharp curves.

Living in Morgantown, I drive I-68 into Cumberland and Hancock fairly regularly.  There are truck speed limits on I-68 eastbound between the Garrett County line and downtown Cumberland.  I don't expect those would change.  There's no reason the speed limit could not be 70 for cars in the existing 65 zone west of Lavale.  Most traffic generally drives 65-70 now.

While the part east of Cumberland is hilly and curvier than west, keeping the entire area at 65 would be overkill.  Post advisory speeds on curves as needed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on February 22, 2014, 03:44:54 PM
If I were to venture a guess, I'd say:
WV line to either Exit 29 or Exit 34 (Finzel/Frostburg): 70
Exit 29/34 to Exit 46 (U.S. 220 North): Unchanged (65,55,50,40,55,65)
Exit 46 to I-70: 70
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 22, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on February 22, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 22, 2014, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 22, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
I suspect that the first roadway in Maryland that will be signed at 70 is I-68, and I believe this because I suspect the Maryland state government will be trying to tempt more long-distance passenger and truck traffic to stay in Maryland instead of going north to Breezewood.

Once this passes I would expect there to be a lot of lobbying from truckers' groups to post 70mph signage on I-68.

I-68 should not (and IMO cannot) have a posted limit that high eastbound on the long descent from the Eastern Continental Divide to Cumberland - even for cars and motorcycles, and especially not for commercial vehicles.

In Garrett County otherwise, 70 is appropriate - the grades and curves are relatively gentle. 

Between U.S. 220 North and I-70, I am not so enthused about a higher posted limit there either - quite a few long and relatively steep grades, as well as a fair number of relatively sharp curves.

Living in Morgantown, I drive I-68 into Cumberland and Hancock fairly regularly.  There are truck speed limits on I-68 eastbound between the Garrett County line and downtown Cumberland.  I don't expect those would change.  There's no reason the speed limit could not be 70 for cars in the existing 65 zone west of Lavale.  Most traffic generally drives 65-70 now.

While the part east of Cumberland is hilly and curvier than west, keeping the entire area at 70 would be overkill.  Post advisory speeds on curves as needed.

Agreed. Traffic already moves at 70 on mos of I-68, but unlike most other Maryland Interstates, most traffic actually stays at 70. I rarely see cars going faster than that on I-68.

As for the long descents, I think the real issue there is an increase risk of through traffic going too fast and trying to ride their brakes at the bottom when the limit drops. I would expect there to be a lot of the advance warning signs posted for a limit drop if the limit does rise to 70mph.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 09, 2014, 01:37:38 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 17, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
Any idea which agency is responsible for this bridge on Maryland Route 2 entering Baltimore from the south?



Baltimore Sun has an article about the condition of this very bridge: A bridge full of potholes adds to growing Hanover Street concerns (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-hanover-bridge-20140307,0,1978836.story)

QuoteResidents complain the bridge – which carries two lanes of traffic each way across the Middle Branch of the Patapsco River between Cherry Hill and Riverside south of Federal Hill – has languished in disrepair, much like several other pieces of important transportation infrastructure in the neighborhood. The potholes, exposing rebar and a crumbling bridge deck, are symptomatic of a larger neglect along South Hanover Street, they say.

QuoteThe street carries more than 30,000 vehicles a day on average, according to 2012 traffic data from the Baltimore Metropolitan Council.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on March 09, 2014, 12:18:05 PM
I passed through Frederick recently on I-70 and I noticed that SHA has removed the 55mph zone through the city. I-70 is now posted at 65mph from Exit 5 to Exit 91.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 09, 2014, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on March 09, 2014, 12:18:05 PM
I passed through Frederick recently on I-70 and I noticed that SHA has removed the 55mph zone through the city. I-70 is now posted at 65mph from Exit 5 to Exit 91.

Surprised about that, especially westbound around the I-270 merge (which is a major choke point).

Actually, I-70 is 65 MPH from Exit 5 to the PA line now (it used to be 60 MPH but was raised around 2006 IIRC).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 09, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Baltimore Sun/Aegis: State backs off on plan to end cash toll at Hatem Bridge, Harford legislator says (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-cash-toll-staying-0312-20140307,0,4310402.story)

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority has agreed that the cash toll collection lanes will remain at the Route 40 Thomas Hatem Bridge for at least two years, State. Sen. Nancy Jacobs said Friday.

Quote"I appreciate the MdTA listening to my concerns and their cooperation and understanding of the needs of the citizens and businesses in Harford and Cecil County," Jacobs said in a news release.

QuoteJacobs' announcement came after the Maryland House of Delegates on Thursday passed a bill that would require the MdTA to further study its plan to institute all-electric tolling at the Hatem Bridge and the majority of its other toll facilities, with an eye toward finding an alternative to penalizing drivers who don't use E-ZPass.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on March 28, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
That speed limit increase to 70 MPH? Not happening. (http://www.times-news.com/latest_news/x1316961455/Speed-limit-bill-hits-wall)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 28, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on March 28, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
That speed limit increase to 70 MPH? Not happening. (http://www.times-news.com/latest_news/x1316961455/Speed-limit-bill-hits-wall)

The article says the committee chairman is refusing to allow it to advance. That's one of the things that's wrong with American legislatures. No single member should be able to kill a bill that passed the other house unanimously.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 28, 2014, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 28, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on March 28, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
That speed limit increase to 70 MPH? Not happening. (http://www.times-news.com/latest_news/x1316961455/Speed-limit-bill-hits-wall)

The article says the committee chairman is refusing to allow it to advance. That's one of the things that's wrong with American legislatures. No single member should be able to kill a bill that passed the other house unanimously.

The bill in question is HB0555 (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=hb0555&stab=01&ys=2014RS)/SB0157 (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=sb0157&stab=01&ys=2014RS), Vehicle Laws — Maximum Speed Limits on Highways, which proposes to increase the maximum limit to 70 MPH in Maryland. 

As said in the article, it passed the House of Delegates 133 to 0.  The senator and chair of the Judicial Proceedings Committee who does not want to release the bill to the Senate is Brian Frosh of District 16 (Potomac, Bethesda and other well-off parts of Montgomery County - legislative district map here (http://planning.maryland.gov/PDF/Redistricting/2010maps/Leg/Montgomery_County.pdf)).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 28, 2014, 10:16:52 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 28, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on March 28, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
That speed limit increase to 70 MPH? Not happening. (http://www.times-news.com/latest_news/x1316961455/Speed-limit-bill-hits-wall)

The article says the committee chairman is refusing to allow it to advance. That's one of the things that's wrong with American legislatures. No single member should be able to kill a bill that passed the other house unanimously.

Show me a case of politicians supporting laws that restrict their powers and I'll show you a 27th amendment that took 203 years to certify.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: algorerhythms on March 29, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
Here's a more complete version of the article (http://www.times-news.com/local/x787236170/Speed-limit-increase-bill-runs-out-of-gas).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on March 30, 2014, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 28, 2014, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 28, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on March 28, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
That speed limit increase to 70 MPH? Not happening. (http://www.times-news.com/latest_news/x1316961455/Speed-limit-bill-hits-wall)

The article says the committee chairman is refusing to allow it to advance. That's one of the things that's wrong with American legislatures. No single member should be able to kill a bill that passed the other house unanimously.

The bill in question is HB0555 (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=hb0555&stab=01&ys=2014RS)/SB0157 (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=sb0157&stab=01&ys=2014RS), Vehicle Laws — Maximum Speed Limits on Highways, which proposes to increase the maximum limit to 70 MPH in Maryland. 

As said in the article, it passed the House of Delegates 133 to 0.  The senator and chair of the Judicial Proceedings Committee who does not want to release the bill to the Senate is Brian Frosh of District 16 (Potomac, Bethesda and other well-off parts of Montgomery County - legislative district map here (http://planning.maryland.gov/PDF/Redistricting/2010maps/Leg/Montgomery_County.pdf)).

:banghead:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 14, 2014, 03:47:31 PM
Baltimore Sun: Route 24 expected to be closed through Rocks State Park this summer (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/belair/ph-ag-rocks-road-preview-0416-20140412,0,674491.story)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on April 14, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Thanks for posting this. I remember the original plans SHA proposed back in 2009. The major concern was that moving the road twenty feet west could impact the King and Queen Seat rock formation.

Ha, the public meeting is at my alma mater. Conveniently I have no other plans on Wednesday night this week...


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 14, 2014, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: Laura on April 14, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Thanks for posting this. I remember the original plans SHA proposed back in 2009. The major concern was that moving the road twenty feet west could impact the King and Queen Seat rock formation.

Ha, the public meeting is at my alma mater. Conveniently I have no other plans on Wednesday night this week...

Md. 24 is a secret gem on the state's highway network. 

Not very well known, but I love the scenery through Rocks State Park.

If you find out anything of interest, I would be interested in seeing it here.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on April 14, 2014, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 14, 2014, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: Laura on April 14, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Thanks for posting this. I remember the original plans SHA proposed back in 2009. The major concern was that moving the road twenty feet west could impact the King and Queen Seat rock formation.

Ha, the public meeting is at my alma mater. Conveniently I have no other plans on Wednesday night this week...

Md. 24 is a secret gem on the state's highway network. 

Not very well known, but I love the scenery through Rocks State Park.

If you find out anything of interest, I would be interested in seeing it here.
www.alpsroads.net/roads/md/md_24 - gets better as it heads north
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on April 14, 2014, 11:33:37 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 14, 2014, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 14, 2014, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: Laura on April 14, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Thanks for posting this. I remember the original plans SHA proposed back in 2009. The major concern was that moving the road twenty feet west could impact the King and Queen Seat rock formation.

Ha, the public meeting is at my alma mater. Conveniently I have no other plans on Wednesday night this week...

Md. 24 is a secret gem on the state's highway network. 

Not very well known, but I love the scenery through Rocks State Park.

If you find out anything of interest, I would be interested in seeing it here.
www.alpsroads.net/roads/md/md_24 - gets better as it heads north

I will definitely give you guys an update after the meeting on Wednesday. I have always loved how MD 24 meanders through Rocks State Park.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: hbelkins on April 15, 2014, 09:36:55 AM
If I'm not mistaken, MD 24 is the route I drove back to my motel after I attended a wedding reception at a country club in that area last August.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on April 22, 2014, 04:27:05 PM
I saw this work was underway on my Easter trip.

Two-year construction project on I-95 in Baltimore
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-03-14/news/bs-md-95-project-20140314_1_mdta-lane-closures-construction-project
QuoteThe $66 million project to remove and replace the existing concrete deck and roadway joints of 4.4 miles of the elevated highway between Caton Avenue and the Fort McHenry Tunnel south of downtown is expected to last through the middle of 2016, the Maryland Transportation Authority said Friday.
QuoteWhile bridges along I-95 north of the tunnel were resurfaced in 2001 and 2004, this will be the first resurfacing along I-95 south of the tunnel since the tunnel opened in 1985, the MdTA said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 22, 2014, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: BrianP on April 22, 2014, 04:27:05 PM
I saw this work was underway on my Easter trip.

Two-year construction project on I-95 in Baltimore
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-03-14/news/bs-md-95-project-20140314_1_mdta-lane-closures-construction-project
QuoteThe $66 million project to remove and replace the existing concrete deck and roadway joints of 4.4 miles of the elevated highway between Caton Avenue and the Fort McHenry Tunnel south of downtown is expected to last through the middle of 2016, the Maryland Transportation Authority said Friday.

QuoteWhile bridges along I-95 north of the tunnel were resurfaced in 2001 and 2004, this will be the first resurfacing along I-95 south of the tunnel since the tunnel opened in 1985, the MdTA said.

It will be interesting to see if any more of the unused bridge decks and stub ramps for the I-70 interchange are removed during these works.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2014, 03:35:23 PM
Around The Corners: The Northern Parkway (http://aroundfourcorners.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-northern-parkway.html)

QuoteHave you ever crossed under the Beltway while using the Sligo Creek Trail?  If you have, you will know that there is a nice grassy area north of the Beltway between Forest Glen Road, Holy Cross Hospital, and the creek.  If you have lived in Four Corners a long time, you will remember that the bridge carrying the Beltway over the Sligo Creek Trial used to be ridiculously large for the size of the trail it crossed.  If you've lived in the area for a really long time, you will remember when the Beltway had exit numbers that were sequential instead of mileage based.  Georgia Avenue used to be Exit 23, and Colesville Road used to be Exit 21.  So what was exit 22?

QuoteThe large bridge that carried the Beltway over the trail (before being replaced in 2001) was not built to carry the Beltway over a path; rather, it was built to carry the Beltway over a six lane limited-access highway.  That grassy area next to the hospital is not there by accident; it was supposed to be the site of an extensive freeway interchange.  The omission of Exit 22 was not a mistake; it was supposed to be the future exit number for the Northern Parkway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 26, 2014, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2014, 03:35:23 PM
Around The Corners: The Northern Parkway (http://aroundfourcorners.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-northern-parkway.html)

QuoteHave you ever crossed under the Beltway while using the Sligo Creek Trail?  If you have, you will know that there is a nice grassy area north of the Beltway between Forest Glen Road, Holy Cross Hospital, and the creek.  If you have lived in Four Corners a long time, you will remember that the bridge carrying the Beltway over the Sligo Creek Trial used to be ridiculously large for the size of the trail it crossed.  If you've lived in the area for a really long time, you will remember when the Beltway had exit numbers that were sequential instead of mileage based.  Georgia Avenue used to be Exit 23, and Colesville Road used to be Exit 21.  So what was exit 22?

QuoteThe large bridge that carried the Beltway over the trail (before being replaced in 2001) was not built to carry the Beltway over a path; rather, it was built to carry the Beltway over a six lane limited-access highway.  That grassy area next to the hospital is not there by accident; it was supposed to be the site of an extensive freeway interchange.  The omission of Exit 22 was not a mistake; it was supposed to be the future exit number for the Northern Parkway.

I can't disagree with the conclusions about the loss of parkland and valuable watershed buffers, but sadly a road like this is still very badly needed. The segment between I-495 and MD 200 would be tremendously valuable today.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on April 26, 2014, 04:46:45 PM
I can't disagree with the conclusions about the loss of parkland and valuable watershed buffers, but sadly a road like this is still very badly needed. The segment between I-495 and MD 200 would be tremendously valuable today.

I do not dispute that.  Combined with the Four Corners Bypass, it would have provided relief to U.S. 29 (Colesville Road and Columbia Pike) and Md. 97 (Georgia Avenue).

Remember that the Northern Parkway was put on the M-NCP&PC Master Plan of Highways back in the 1950's or earlier by the Montgomery County Council and M-NCP&PC, when there was no U.S. Department of Transportation Act Section 4(f) (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/50section4f.cfm), no Section 404 of the Clean Water Act (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/federal-aidessentials/catmod.cfm?id=63) and no Clean Air Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_%28United_States%29).

Section 4(f) especially would have made it very tough to build a freeway through sections of Sligo Creek Park, Wheaton Regional Park and Northwest Branch Park - and the Northern Parkway would have had to traverse long sections of all three.

Section 4(f) is one of the reasons why it took so many years to get Md. 200 built - even though this road was crossing the stream valleys at (roughly) 90° angles, not running parallel to them for long distances. 

Consider this - had Section 4(f) been on the books when the route of the Capital Beltway was being planned and engineered in the late 1950's and early 1960's, it it unlikely that it would have been allowed to take up large sections of Rock Creek Park between the Mormon Temple and I-270/Md. 355.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on April 28, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
When I first came across that link, I thought this was a reference to the major thoroughfare that arcs over the upper end of Baltimore and touches the city line at both ends. But then I read about the I-495 Beltway, and realized that I was wrong. Though it's probably safe to say that Exit 22 on I-495 was reserved for future use in the same way that Exit 37 on I-695 was in reference to the Windlass Freeway that would connect to I-95 and Moravia Road (neither of which were ever built).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2014, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 28, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
When I first came across that link, I thought this was a reference to the major thoroughfare that arcs over the upper end of Baltimore and touches the city line at both ends. But then I read about the I-495 Beltway, and realized that I was wrong.

That Northern Parkway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Parkway_%28Baltimore%29) did get built.

Quote from: Henry on April 28, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
Though it's probably safe to say that Exit 22 on I-495 was reserved for future use in the same way that Exit 37 on I-695 was in reference to the Windlass Freeway that would connect to I-95 and Moravia Road (neither of which were ever built).

Only difference is that the exit numbers on the Capital Beltway were have been converted to a milepost-based system, while the exits on I-695 (Baltimore Beltway) are little changed from its original exit numbers. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on April 28, 2014, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2014, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 28, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
When I first came across that link, I thought this was a reference to the major thoroughfare that arcs over the upper end of Baltimore and touches the city line at both ends. But then I read about the I-495 Beltway, and realized that I was wrong.

That Northern Parkway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Parkway_%28Baltimore%29) did get built.
There was actually a proposal to run a freeway along that corridor, so not as much as you think.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2014, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 28, 2014, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2014, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 28, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
When I first came across that link, I thought this was a reference to the major thoroughfare that arcs over the upper end of Baltimore and touches the city line at both ends. But then I read about the I-495 Beltway, and realized that I was wrong.

That Northern Parkway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Parkway_%28Baltimore%29) did get built.
There was actually a proposal to run a freeway along that corridor, so not as much as you think.

I do not recall a freeway being proposed for the Northern Parkway corridor in Baltimore City (I presume you meant Baltimore and not Montgomery County's Northern Parkway).

Scott Kozel does not mention it, and I do not recall one in a Maryland Historical Society article from the late 1990's either.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 30, 2014, 03:50:51 PM
I am probably late to the party but what's the status on the I-95/I-695 interchange?  Was it ever completed?  I heard the project shut down midway. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 30, 2014, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: doofy103 on April 30, 2014, 03:50:51 PM
I am probably late to the party but what's the status on the I-95/I-695 interchange?  Was it ever completed?  I heard the project shut down midway. 

The ramps connecting the I-95 Express Toll Lanes to I-695 have been deferred indefinitely.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 02, 2014, 12:47:23 PM
Montgomery County wants to extend the Montrose Parkway to the east from MD 355 to Viers Mill Road using the more of the old outer beltway ROW.

http://www.gazette.net/article/20140430/NEWS/140439723/1022/rockville-u-haul-concerned-about-effects-of-road-project&template=gazette
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on May 02, 2014, 05:13:36 PM
When I bought my first home in 1988, I reserved the moving truck there.  It was a total cluster F***.  Essentially they had my truck at a multi-user surface lot in Bethesda that someone double parked in and rather than admit it, they played the "it will be here in 15 mins, we really promise" for 3 hours.

Anyway, I hope whatever they design eliminates the grade separation with the MARC tracks unlike the recently built Montrose Parkway did.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 03, 2014, 05:42:29 PM
Quote from: BrianP on May 02, 2014, 12:47:23 PM
Montgomery County wants to extend the Montrose Parkway to the east from MD 355 to Viers Mill Road using the more of the old outer beltway ROW.

http://www.gazette.net/article/20140430/NEWS/140439723/1022/rockville-u-haul-concerned-about-effects-of-road-project&template=gazette

Only one thing wrong with this - the Montrose Parkway, even in its scaled-down format, should go to Md. 200 (between Md. 182 and Md. 650) instead of ending at Viers Mill Road.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 14, 2014, 03:03:45 PM
Traffic calming can have dangerous consequences, as discussed in this report (http://tpssvoice.com/2014/05/14/firefighters-injured-takoma-park-fire/) from the scene of a house fire in Takoma Park.

QuoteEmergency vehicles encountered obstacles as they approached the fire. The area's narrow streets were further constricted with utility construction projects and, allegedly, a "traffic-calming"  device.

QuoteAnd one neighbor reported that another emergency responder foundered on a concrete traffic-calming curb.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 21, 2014, 06:28:03 PM
WTOP Radio: Maryland residents could be charged a driving fee (http://www.wtop.com/46/3648420/Local-residents-could-be-charged-a-driving-fee)

QuoteCould Maryland residents be taxed for each mile they drive? It's something lawmakers want to study, but the state's gubernatorial candidates and transportation experts don't like the idea.

QuoteUnder a "Vehicle Miles Travelled" tax, drivers would be required to report their mileage to the government -- possibly through a GPS tracker. Then drivers would be charged a fee per mile.

Quote"This is something that drivers ought to be concerned about," says Ron Ely, chairman of the Maryland Drivers Alliance. "If such a plan is actually implemented, you'll end up paying a lot more. Even if they set a relatively low rate per mile, you'd still be looking at a sizable chunk taken out of people's wallets."

QuoteThe VMT fee, in addition to the gas tax that was implemented in July 2013, has been discussed before and was included in the Maryland Department of Transportation Draft 2012 Implementation Plan as a way to cut emissions and discourage driving. VMT fees were not specifically addressed in the Maryland Department of the Environment 2013 Greenhouse Gas Reduction Plan, but a House bill to prohibit the tax died in committee last year.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 20, 2014, 05:53:08 PM
Full disclosure: I know Tom Schueler, quoted in the article, professionally.  Good guy.

Baltimore Sun: Porous pavement gets another tryout in Maryland (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-porous-pavement-20140707,0,4677297.story)

QuoteThe concrete oozed rather than poured out of the mixer truck, almost as if reluctant to cover the ground – partly because it won't, entirely.

QuoteLaborers shoveled pebbly gobs around to form a new sidewalk at a park-and-ride lot in Waysons Corner, one of two where the State Highway Administration is laying "pervious" concrete this summer as a test of its environmental friendliness.

QuotePorous paving surfaces have been around for decades, but they're expensive and often didn't work well. Interest in such surfaces among governments and developers is on the rebound, though, in response to new state regulations aimed at curbing stormwater pollution from pavement smothering the Chesapeake Bay watershed.

Quote"There has been a resurgence in permeable pavement in the state and across the bay watershed in recent years," said Tom Schueler, head of the Chesapeake Stormwater Network, an organization that trains engineers and others how to deal with runoff.



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on September 09, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
Has anyone noticed these new almost-too-bright streetlights on I-95?

At the MD-216 and MD-32 interchanges, some of the ramp lights have been replaced with these new lights that are so bright, I sometimes have to put my visor down at night.  The heads, possibly retrofitted on the same poles that previously held traditional round units, appear to be long and narrow with a slight curve.  They produce a white light, as opposed to that tan-like glow of sodium vapor.  Are these LEDs?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 09, 2014, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 09, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
Has anyone noticed these new almost-too-bright streetlights on I-95?

At the MD-216 and MD-32 interchanges, some of the ramp lights have been replaced with these new lights that are so bright, I sometimes have to put my visor down at night.  The heads, possibly retrofitted on the same poles that previously held traditional round units, appear to be long and narrow with a slight curve.  They produce a white light, as opposed to that tan-like glow of sodium vapor.  Are these LEDs?

Yes, I believe those are LEDs.

SHA is also installing them in places along Md. 32 and I-97.

EDIT And I-95.  Curiously, there are none along Md. 200, except at the toll gantries, where small LED units are used to provide light for the ALPRs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 17, 2014, 02:43:57 PM
Baltimore Sun: Three-year construction project begins on I-695 in Balto. Co. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/commuting/bs-md-695-construction-20141017-story.html)

QuoteConstruction to widen and resurface lanes and redesign exit patterns along a 1-mile stretch of Interstate 695 in Baltimore County began this week and is expected to continue through the summer of 2017, according to the State Highway Administration.

QuoteThe $34.4 million project, part of a slate of recent highway investments paid for under the state's Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act, will effect both the inner and outer loops of the highway between Harford Road and Perring Parkway. The stretch of highway cuts through the Parkville and Carney areas of the county, northeast of Baltimore and east of Towson.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on October 17, 2014, 10:16:12 PM
Does it involve getting rid of all those cloverleaves? Because there are a lot of cloverleaves on that section.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 19, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
I was in the White Marsh area this weekend and noticed the I-95 ETL project is near completion.  I was surprised to see, however, that there are ETL ramps being built for NB entrance/SB exit for MD 43.  I was under the impression these movements were tabled due to funding issues.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 19, 2014, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on October 17, 2014, 10:16:12 PM
Does it involve getting rid of all those cloverleaves? Because there are a lot of cloverleaves on that section.

Sounds like only one ramp at Harford Road will be removed.  IMO, this needs to be done on all three adjacent cloverleafs (US 1, Harford Rd, Perring Pkwy)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on October 21, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 19, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
I was in the White Marsh area this weekend and noticed the I-95 ETL project is near completion.  I was surprised to see, however, that there are ETL ramps being built for NB entrance/SB exit for MD 43.  I was under the impression these movements were tabled due to funding issues.

The ETL ramps at I-95 and I-695 were tabled. The bridges at MD 43 were past life expectancy and needed to be replaced anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 21, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: Laura on October 21, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 19, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
I was in the White Marsh area this weekend and noticed the I-95 ETL project is near completion.  I was surprised to see, however, that there are ETL ramps being built for NB entrance/SB exit for MD 43.  I was under the impression these movements were tabled due to funding issues.

The ETL ramps at I-95 and I-695 were tabled. The bridges at MD 43 were past life expectancy and needed to be replaced anyway.

I recall that being the case with the I-695 interchange but even MDTA's own diagrams of entrances/exits only show NB exit and SB entrance to White Marsh Blvd.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on October 22, 2014, 09:14:51 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 21, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: Laura on October 21, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 19, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
I was in the White Marsh area this weekend and noticed the I-95 ETL project is near completion.  I was surprised to see, however, that there are ETL ramps being built for NB entrance/SB exit for MD 43.  I was under the impression these movements were tabled due to funding issues.

The ETL ramps at I-95 and I-695 were tabled. The bridges at MD 43 were past life expectancy and needed to be replaced anyway.

I recall that being the case with the I-695 interchange but even MDTA's own diagrams of entrances/exits only show NB exit and SB entrance to White Marsh Blvd.

Right. There's no need to build separate SB entrance and NB exit ramps at this point. The ETL lanes will begin/end just north of the interchange.

ETA: Mike thinks they are building them? I'll drive by and check them out shortly. (I only live like 2 miles from there).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on October 22, 2014, 02:00:51 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2391027,-76.6145037,3a,75y,270h,89.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scPGu3pvMpws5x7W6jekWew!2e0
Am I seeing correct here as Richmond, VA is being directed via Exit 6 on I-895 here onto MD 3 to US 301 and not on I-95?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 22, 2014, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 22, 2014, 02:00:51 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2391027,-76.6145037,3a,75y,270h,89.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scPGu3pvMpws5x7W6jekWew!2e0
Am I seeing correct here as Richmond, VA is being directed via Exit 6 on I-895 here onto MD 3 to US 301 and not on I-95?

The sign is directing Richmond traffic to take I-97 to MD-3 and then US-301. Note the word "TO" prior to the Route 3 shield. It is the most direct route from there to Richmond and involves using a crossing for which Maryland charges a toll (the Gov. Harry Nice Bridge over the Potomac). Whether it's the fastest route can vary wildly depending on a lot of factors.

I've used the I-97/MD-3/US-50/I-495 route home from Baltimore (I live just south of Alexandria, Virginia) and I think I like it better than taking I-95 because there's a lot less traffic and it doesn't take very much longer. The frequent congestion on I-95 and the Beltway (to say nothing of the seemingly never-ending construction projects) is one good reason to encourage people to use another route south from Baltimore, even if they do ultimately return to I-95.


Edited to add: For what it's worth, I went to Google Maps, dropped a pin at the Harbor Tunnel toll plaza, and asked for directions to "Richmond, VA," without specifying a more detailed endpoint (it chose a spot outside the federal courthouse downtown). It listed the first-choice option as being the Baltimore—Washington Parkway and then I-95. Obviously the signs do not suggest that route due to truck restrictions. When I dragged it to use I-95 between Baltimore and DC, it then sent me around the western side of the Beltway. When I then dragged it to the eastern side (which is generally the faster route and the preferred thru route), it said total distance is 156 miles. Using the I-97/MD-3/US-301 route, it says the distance is 145 miles (once you reach Bowling Green, Virginia, it sends you down VA-207 to I-95 rather than using the two-lane segment of US-301 all the way down). So really the difference is minimal either way.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on October 22, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 22, 2014, 02:55:56 PM
The sign is directing Richmond traffic to take I-97 to MD-3 and then US-301. Note the word "TO" prior to the Route 3 shield. It is the most direct route from there to Richmond and involves using a crossing for which Maryland charges a toll (the Gov. Harry Nice Bridge over the Potomac). Whether it's the fastest route can vary wildly depending on a lot of factors.
My brother who lives a little south of Richmond always uses 301 to come up to NJ to avoid traffic on 95 in DC and Baltimore.  I've done it too a few times, and while I like the route north of Annapolis (301 through the eastern shore of MD and up into DE), I'm not a big fan of the route between the Potomac and US 50 with all the lights and increasing amount of traffic.

Although I look forward to the 301 project in Delaware to connect to DE 1, it will probably make the leg of 301 south of 50 all that much worse when more people figure it out as a bypass to 95.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 22, 2014, 03:36:44 PM
The segment of US 301 immediately south of US 50 is one of the worst parts, and there is a project on the books to grade-separate three of the four signalized intersections along that segment and to close the fourth. The diagram also shows that the US 301 mainline will be quadrupled with C-D lanes for the new interchanges as well as access to and from US 50 east and west.

The rest of US 301 will continue to be horrible though, especially the US 301/MD 5 duplex and the lengthy segment through Waldorf.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 22, 2014, 03:46:04 PM
The segment around Waldorf can be frustrating. For me it's easy to avoid it on trips south because of where I live; I take MD-210 down to Accokeek and then I have a variety of options for connecting across to Route 301. But 210 is not exactly the greatest route either due to a lot of very aggressive drivers and very dangerous driving. I try to avoid that road on weekend nights. The road itself is fine, it's the drivers who frequent it who are the hazard.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on October 23, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 22, 2014, 03:36:44 PM
The segment of US 301 immediately south of US 50 is one of the worst parts, and there is a project on the books to grade-separate three of the four signalized intersections along that segment and to close the fourth. The diagram also shows that the US 301 mainline will be quadrupled with C-D lanes for the new interchanges as well as access to and from US 50 east and west.

The rest of US 301 will continue to be horrible though, especially the US 301/MD 5 duplex and the lengthy segment through Waldorf.
I know there have been plans to upgrade US 301 further east towards Wilmington, DE. Perhaps this can be a prelude to an all-freeway bypass of I-95 to the east (including VA 207 on the other side of the Potomac), but it would be mostly decades away from reality. IMO, the routing of I-97 was completely screwed up when the original plans were scrapped due to the cancellation of the part that was to run down the MD 3 corridor. Otherwise, it could've easily tied into the upgraded US 301.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on November 03, 2014, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: Laura on October 22, 2014, 09:14:51 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 21, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: Laura on October 21, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 19, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
I was in the White Marsh area this weekend and noticed the I-95 ETL project is near completion.  I was surprised to see, however, that there are ETL ramps being built for NB entrance/SB exit for MD 43.  I was under the impression these movements were tabled due to funding issues.

The ETL ramps at I-95 and I-695 were tabled. The bridges at MD 43 were past life expectancy and needed to be replaced anyway.

I recall that being the case with the I-695 interchange but even MDTA's own diagrams of entrances/exits only show NB exit and SB entrance to White Marsh Blvd.

Right. There's no need to build separate SB entrance and NB exit ramps at this point. The ETL lanes will begin/end just north of the interchange.

ETA: Mike thinks they are building them? I'll drive by and check them out shortly. (I only live like 2 miles from there).

Sorry, I checked this out but never came back to report on it. Yes, the SB entrance and NB exit ramps have been built, but they will be closed to users. The new SB BGSs say "no access to 43 or 695" on them.


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 03, 2014, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 23, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 22, 2014, 03:36:44 PM
The segment of US 301 immediately south of US 50 is one of the worst parts, and there is a project on the books to grade-separate three of the four signalized intersections along that segment and to close the fourth. The diagram also shows that the US 301 mainline will be quadrupled with C-D lanes for the new interchanges as well as access to and from US 50 east and west.

The rest of US 301 will continue to be horrible though, especially the US 301/MD 5 duplex and the lengthy segment through Waldorf.
I know there have been plans to upgrade US 301 further east towards Wilmington, DE. Perhaps this can be a prelude to an all-freeway bypass of I-95 to the east (including VA 207 on the other side of the Potomac), but it would be mostly decades away from reality. IMO, the routing of I-97 was completely screwed up when the original plans were scrapped due to the cancellation of the part that was to run down the MD 3 corridor. Otherwise, it could've easily tied into the upgraded US 301.

The Maryland Smart Growth industry (groups like this (http://www.friendsofmd.org/), this (http://maryland2.sierraclub.org/) and this (http://www.smartergrowth.net/)) would have a collective fit, and it might take 50 years of fighting with them to get a win.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on November 03, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: Laura on November 03, 2014, 07:04:07 AM

Sorry, I checked this out but never came back to report on it. Yes, the SB entrance and NB exit ramps have been built, but they will be closed to users. The new SB BGSs say "no access to 43 or 695" on them.

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Strange they decided to build those ramps but not open them (unless they expect to use them in the future).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Laura on November 03, 2014, 10:37:20 PM

Quote from: MASTERNC on November 03, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: Laura on November 03, 2014, 07:04:07 AM

Sorry, I checked this out but never came back to report on it. Yes, the SB entrance and NB exit ramps have been built, but they will be closed to users. The new SB BGSs say "no access to 43 or 695" on them.

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Strange they decided to build those ramps but not open them (unless they expect to use them in the future).

They do, once they extend the toll lanes into Harford County in the distant future.


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 05, 2014, 09:55:00 AM
One direct transportation item of note for Maryland from yesterday's election.  Voters approved a "lockbox" on the Transportation Trust Fund, preventing the state from diverting money from the TTF unless the Governor declares a "fiscal emergency" and 2/3 of the General Assembly agrees.

http://www.wtop.com/46/3736324/Voters-Dont-raid-Md-transportation-money

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/campaign-2014/bs-md-state-ballot-questions-20141104-story.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 06, 2014, 03:43:16 PM
Cecil Whig: County Council seeks public input on toll relief (http://www.cecildaily.com/news/local_news/article_ef038e17-3d80-5686-8ffd-9c13a06b0b39.html)

QuoteELKTON – Cecil County has not given up its battle with the Maryland Transportation Authority to provide additional toll relief for local business owners that see the Susquehanna River tolls as an economic barrier, isolating Cecil County from a majority of Maryland.

QuoteThe Cecil County Council has scheduled a meeting with MdTA officials in Baltimore on Thursday, Nov. 20.

QuoteCouncil President Robert Hodge and County Executive Tari Moore are asking for any and all stakeholders seeking a reduction in tolls, especially for multi-axle vehicles, to attend a preparation meeting at 2 p.m. on Nov. 13 in the Elk Room.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 09, 2014, 09:44:12 AM
The BBS on I-895 north past Lombard Street has been patched. It says that the ETLs are scheduled to open in December.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 13, 2014, 12:02:28 PM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland threatens to block or yank vehicle registration of 131,000 toll violators (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-toll-violators-20141113-story.html)

QuoteIt's time for toll violators in Maryland to pay up or get off the road, the Maryland Transportation Authority said Thursday.

QuoteThe agency that operates tolling on highways, bridges and tunnels across the state will begin sending notices next week to some 131,000 vehicle owners, informing them they will have their vehicle registration blocked or yanked entirely if they don't pay what they owe in tolls and associated citations.

QuoteThe agency is trying to recoup an estimated $7.1 million in accumulated unpaid tolls.

QuoteMost of the indebted drivers lack an E-ZPass device but went through E-ZPass lanes in the state anyway. Some arrived at tolls without any money, then failed to follow directions for how to pay. All received an initial notice for payment under the state's video tolling system, and all subsequently received a $50 civil citation for noncompliance.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 13, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
Washington Post: Transitway or toll lanes: How will Hogan relieve traffic in I-270 corridor? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2014/11/13/transitway-or-toll-lanes-how-will-hogan-relieve-traffic-in-i-270-corridor/)

QuoteAnyone who has slogged through rush hour on Interstate 270 knows that traffic is only getting worse as upper Montgomery County, Frederick County and points beyond continue to grow. But whether relief from gridlock will come in the form of dedicated bus lanes or a wider I-270 with express toll lanes likely will depend on what Maryland Gov.-elect Larry Hogan (R) decides in the coming months.

QuoteUnder Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), the Maryland Transit Administration has focused on planning a Corridor Cities Transitway (CCT) that would have buses ferry people between the Shady Grove Metrorail station and the Metropolitan Grove area of Gaithersburg in dedicated, traffic-free lanes. O'Malley's Republican predecessor, Gov. Robert Ehrlich, also had considered the possibility of widening I-270 by adding express toll lanes – an approach that the O'Malley administration dropped. Environmental groups had said a wider highway would only lead to more car-dependent sprawl.

QuoteIf Hogan sticks to campaign statements that he would divert more transportation money from expanding mass transit to improving roads, the idea of a wider I-270 could gain new life. What that would mean for transit planning in the I-270 corridor remains unknown. Hogan didn't say much, if anything, during the campaign about the future of a Corridor Cities Transitway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 13, 2014, 03:58:18 PM
You know, the image in that article made me think of something. Why was that interchange rebuilt to have southbound I-270 Spur traffic merging onto the left side of the Beltway? At least as of 1979, the merge was on the right.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 13, 2014, 05:22:06 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 13, 2014, 03:58:18 PM
You know, the image in that article made me think of something. Why was that interchange rebuilt to have southbound I-270 Spur traffic merging onto the left side of the Beltway? At least as of 1979, the merge was on the right.

It was rebuilt as part of the project that added an HOV lane to both sides of I-270Y in the 1990's.  It also made the curve on the Outer Loop of I-495 (where it turns from west to south) much less sharp, though there have still been crashes there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 17, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Baltimore Sun: Express toll lanes on I-95 north of Baltimore set to open Dec. 6 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-95-express-lanes-20141117-story.html)

QuoteThe controversial construction of express toll lanes up the center of a congested, eight-mile stretch of Interstate 95 just north of Baltimore is set to conclude Dec. 6, when the lanes will open to traffic.

QuoteTheir launch will bring to an end the bulk of construction on a larger, nearly $1.1 billion project to reconstruct the entire section of the highway, its overpasses and interchanges, including with Interstate 695.

QuoteAimed at relieving bottlenecks and improving safety, the work nonetheless added to commuter headaches for nearly a decade. An average of about 177,000 drivers a day use the corridor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on November 18, 2014, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 17, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Baltimore Sun: Express toll lanes on I-95 north of Baltimore set to open Dec. 6 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-95-express-lanes-20141117-story.html)

QuoteThe controversial construction of express toll lanes up the center of a congested, eight-mile stretch of Interstate 95 just north of Baltimore is set to conclude Dec. 6, when the lanes will open to traffic.

QuoteTheir launch will bring to an end the bulk of construction on a larger, nearly $1.1 billion project to reconstruct the entire section of the highway, its overpasses and interchanges, including with Interstate 695.

QuoteAimed at relieving bottlenecks and improving safety, the work nonetheless added to commuter headaches for nearly a decade. An average of about 177,000 drivers a day use the corridor.

Why not Thanksgiving Day? Nevertheless, it would be a great help to holiday travelers, as well as those traveling to and from the workplace, especially Johns Hopkins.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 20, 2014, 11:52:58 AM
WAMU Radio: Plows, Salt Are Ready In Maryland, But Officials Hope The Weather Cooperates (http://wamu.org/news/14/11/19/monster_plows_ready_in_maryland)

[Following is as much about SHA's snow removal plans and equipment (including  some new and extra-large plow vehicles) as it is about the cold weather.]

Baltimore Sun: Baltimore sets record as cold grips eastern U.S. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/weather-blog/bs-md-winter-weather-20141117-story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 19, 2014, 12:38:12 AM
Baltimore Sun: Detours, traffic woes to end with Sinclair Lane Bridge reopening Monday, city says (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-sinclair-bridge-20141219-story.html)

QuoteA bridge replacement project that has forced nearly 30,000 drivers a day to take detours through East Baltimore will end next week after two years of cost run-ups and delays.

QuoteBoth Edison Highway and Sinclair Lane will reopen to traffic Monday with the completion of a new bridge carrying the intersection of the roads over CSX Transportation's main freight railroad line through the city, the Baltimore Department of Transportation is expected to announce Friday.

Quote"We're hoping that this is going to alleviate a lot of the traffic congestion and inconvenience that has been caused by the time it has taken to get this bridge reopened," said William Johnson, the city's transportation director.

QuoteResidents and commuters, long forced to detour onto Belair Road and Erdman Avenue, "have been very patient and deserve some relief, and we're happy it's finally going to come," Johnson said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on January 04, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2Fimg%2F141007-404Tuckahoe.jpg&hash=8ea5e1a587ccf8fe90ab5ac3f9be5af28fed57e2)
October picture of 404 dualization of Tuckahoe Creek Bridge near MD 309 intersection in Queen Anne, Md. Wish there were something about this project on the MDSHA website beyond "scheduled to begin construction in Summer 2014". Have dropped a note to Project Engineer (I wonder how "Mr. Colbert Stephen" pronounces his first name).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 09, 2015, 02:33:52 PM
Baltimore Sun: SHA completes improvements to Howard rest stop (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/laurel/ph-ho-cf-truck-stop-sha-20150108-story.html)

QuoteThe State Highway Administration has opened 39 new truck parking spaces at the Interstate 95 South rest area and welcome center in Howard County, signaling the completion of the project, the organization announced Thursday.

QuoteThe project was funded by a $5.5 million grant from the Federal Highway Administration, and will increase the number of available truck parking spaces from 21 to 60.

QuoteAccording to a news release, the project was done to reduce illegal and unsafe parking at the site, which included truck parking on shoulders and ramps.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 13, 2015, 06:40:23 PM
Washington Post:  Hogan taps "˜highway builder' as transportation secretary, appoints 7 others (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/hogan-taps-highway-builder-as-transportation-secretary-appoints-7-others/2015/01/13/f0791004-9b41-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html)

QuoteMaryland Gov.-elect Larry Hogan (R) announced eight more senior members of his administration Tuesday, including a new transportation secretary whom he introduced as "the best highway builder in the entire country."

QuoteHogan's nomination of Pete Rahn, who has held top transportation jobs in New Mexico and Missouri, comes amid great uncertainty over the future of the light-rail Purple Line in the Washington suburbs and other proposed mass transit projects. The governor-elect has strongly signaled that he will emphasize roads over rail after he takes office Jan. 21.

QuoteHogan, who made tax cuts a rallying cry of his campaign, also pledged to focus this spring to reducing tolls at Maryland's bridges and tunnels. Tolls are set by an executive-branch authority whose members are appointed by the governor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 20, 2015, 01:55:37 PM
Baltimore Sun: Northbound I-95 repair work in Laurel to impact afternoon rush hour (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/commuting/bs-md-95-repairs-20150120-story.html)

QuoteThe two left lanes of northbound Interstate 95 will be closed in Laurel through the Tuesday afternoon commute as crews complete emergency repair work to the deck of a bridge.

QuoteThe unscheduled work to the bridge that carries I-95 over Stansfield Road shut the lanes just before Scaggsville Road, which is Route 216, in Laurel early Tuesday afternoon. The closures were expected to remain in place through the evening rush hour.

QuoteThe State Highway Administration warned motorists to expect delays on I-95, Route 295, Route 1 and Route 29.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on February 08, 2015, 10:17:06 PM
Alright... I've got two things that baffle me over Maryland roadways.
1. Why does their asphalt always turn white after a few years? Virginia/DC doesn't seem to encounter that thing. (Maybe it's their asphalt type)
2. Why did it take around 8 years to finish up the I-95 ETL (and subsequent improvements) in northern Baltimore? The 495/95 Express lanes were much longer, and only finished up in 4/2 years (respectively).
Yeah, it's kinda stupid/there might already be answers here on the forum, but I don't feel like digging up those, and besides, I think I'm probably the first to ask.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 09, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
The I-95 ETLs have been open for close to 2 months.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on February 09, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 09, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
The I-95 ETLs have been open for close to 2 months.
I know, but I'm talking about the time it took to work on the project. I have edited it to put everything in past tense, as I did not know it was open until after posting.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on February 09, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 09, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
The I-95 ETLs have been open for close to 2 months.
How have they done so far with traffic?  I've been up and down 95 between NJ and DC twice the past two weekends, and there were practically tumbleweeds blowing across them, while the "free" lanes had a good amount of Saturday traffic.  I think the sign was showing $1.65 for the full length at the time.  I opted out.  I assume they're doing well for the weekday rush hours?

I also got to try out the ICC for the first time.  On a Saturday afternoon, I was the only car going WB for a good while, after entering from 95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on February 10, 2015, 06:14:33 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on February 09, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 09, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
The I-95 ETLs have been open for close to 2 months.
How have they done so far with traffic?  I've been up and down 95 between NJ and DC twice the past two weekends, and there were practically tumbleweeds blowing across them, while the "free" lanes had a good amount of Saturday traffic.  I think the sign was showing $1.65 for the full length at the time.  I opted out.  I assume they're doing well for the weekday rush hours?

I also got to try out the ICC for the first time.  On a Saturday afternoon, I was the only car going WB for a good while, after entering from 95.

IMO, the roads are a waste of your toll dollars for most of the day.  The ICC is a great alternate when traffic is bad, or if for some reason you go all the way from Laurel to Gaithersburg, but because I live about 2 miles south of the middle of the ICC, I'm very unlikely to head along the whole road.  There are some good quality surface roads with few traffic lights that do the job almost as well at times other than rush hour.  This is why the ICC is less traveled and a speed trap and generally feels empty.

The I-95 ETLs are the same way.  This road is very directional in traffic and traffic is only an issue for rush hours.  Like you, I've never had the occasion to use I-95 north of Baltimore at any time when it isn't free flowing.  Plus, there is no connection from 695 to the ETL, the ETLs lead you to/from the tunnels only. 

I was able to try them out during the free trial period and one problem that I noticed was that they were only one lane each direction south of the 95/895 split to the respective tunnel.  Meaning that you can be stuck behind a slow driver with no opportunity to pass.  Again, it might make sense during rush hour but at other times, you'd be going slower and paying a toll for the privilege.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on February 10, 2015, 02:13:05 PM
Quote from: mrsman on February 10, 2015, 06:14:33 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on February 09, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 09, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
The I-95 ETLs have been open for close to 2 months.
How have they done so far with traffic?  I've been up and down 95 between NJ and DC twice the past two weekends, and there were practically tumbleweeds blowing across them, while the "free" lanes had a good amount of Saturday traffic.  I think the sign was showing $1.65 for the full length at the time.  I opted out.  I assume they're doing well for the weekday rush hours?

I also got to try out the ICC for the first time.  On a Saturday afternoon, I was the only car going WB for a good while, after entering from 95.

IMO, the roads are a waste of your toll dollars for most of the day.  The ICC is a great alternate when traffic is bad, or if for some reason you go all the way from Laurel to Gaithersburg, but because I live about 2 miles south of the middle of the ICC, I'm very unlikely to head along the whole road.  There are some good quality surface roads with few traffic lights that do the job almost as well at times other than rush hour.  This is why the ICC is less traveled and a speed trap and generally feels empty.

The I-95 ETLs are the same way.  This road is very directional in traffic and traffic is only an issue for rush hours.  Like you, I've never had the occasion to use I-95 north of Baltimore at any time when it isn't free flowing.  Plus, there is no connection from 695 to the ETL, the ETLs lead you to/from the tunnels only. 

I was able to try them out during the free trial period and one problem that I noticed was that they were only one lane each direction south of the 95/895 split to the respective tunnel.  Meaning that you can be stuck behind a slow driver with no opportunity to pass.  Again, it might make sense during rush hour but at other times, you'd be going slower and paying a toll for the privilege.

When you say 'speedtrap' for the ICC, do you mean cameras as well?  Should I be expecting something in the mail in the next week or so?  I was surprised at all the speed cameras on the local roads in the area (I was visiting the Rockville/Bethesda area), and then I found out that Montgomery Co. can have them anywhere, as opposed to the rest of state (correct me if I'm wrong) where they need to be in school or construction zones.  I like visiting MD, but the speed cameras (in DC as well) really bother me. 

As for the I-95 ETLs, I assume they were primarily created to provide a bypass of the beltway interchange?  Does that take a significant chunk out of the rush hour traffic, or should they have provided beltway access as well?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2015, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on February 10, 2015, 02:13:05 PM
When you say 'speedtrap' for the ICC, do you mean cameras as well?  Should I be expecting something in the mail in the next week or so?  I was surprised at all the speed cameras on the local roads in the area (I was visiting the Rockville/Bethesda area), and then I found out that Montgomery Co. can have them anywhere, as opposed to the rest of state (correct me if I'm wrong) where they need to be in school or construction zones.  I like visiting MD, but the speed cameras (in DC as well) really bother me.

There are no speed cameras on Md. 200.  However, for the first year or two of operation, speed limits (first 55 MPH, then raised to 60 MPH along most of its length) on the road were very strictly enforced by the Maryland Transportation Authority Police.  Less so recently, though speeding carries a higher risk of a ticket than on most others in the state, except at the new far east end (east of I-95), where enforcement appears to be very strict (and the speed limit is 55 MPH, falling to 40 as the road approaches its east end at U.S. 1).

Montgomery County can put speed cameras up in well-defined places on county- and "free" state-maintained roads (especially approaching and passing schools), but not on Md. 200 (the only toll road in the county).

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on February 10, 2015, 02:13:05 PM
As for the I-95 ETLs, I assume they were primarily created to provide a bypass of the beltway interchange?  Does that take a significant chunk out of the rush hour traffic, or should they have provided beltway access as well?

They were created as part of a plan to extend them much further north (east) possibly as far as Md. 155 (Exit 89, just prior to the Susquehanna River and in the far, far future, even across the river (which would require the construction of a new bridge for a lot of money)).

The section of I-95 north of Baltimore suffers from severe congestion at times.  Yes, it does indeed bypass the I-695 interchange (with no access at this time, though the stub ramps can be seen), but bypassing that congestion is more what the I-95 ETLs are about.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 10, 2015, 04:03:41 PM
In addition, don't forget Maryland state law requires the speed cameras give you a 12-mph cushion (e.g., if the speed limit is 65, the camera is not supposed to ticket you unless you're exceeding 77 mph).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on February 10, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Alright... I'm not being bossy, but seems like we've gotten a little off-topic with my questions, ever since Roadrunner corrected me. Anyone care to answer them?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 10, 2015, 09:34:18 PM
I don't have firm answers to either question, but I suspect one reason the Virginia project was finished so much more quickly was Virginia's PPTA system in which a private corporation built and operates the lanes. Maryland doesn't have a comparable law and a state agency built the lanes there. I suspect the private corporation had that much more incentive to do the job quickly so they could start recovering toll revenues; also, I understand there were severe funding issues with the Maryland project.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on February 10, 2015, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: MillTheRoadgeek on February 10, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Alright... I'm not being bossy, but seems like we've gotten a little off-topic with my questions, ever since Roadrunner corrected me. Anyone care to answer them?
Correction:  It was other Garden State Parkway guy who corrected you......if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 11, 2015, 07:18:46 AM
QuoteIn addition, don't forget Maryland state law requires the speed cameras give you a 12-mph cushion

Does this also apply to the pre-existing MoCo cameras?  My impression was "no".  I was under the impression that the 12MPH-over only applies to the road construction and school zone cameras that the new(er) state law allowed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on February 11, 2015, 07:34:00 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 11, 2015, 07:18:46 AM
QuoteIn addition, don't forget Maryland state law requires the speed cameras give you a 12-mph cushion

Does this also apply to the pre-existing MoCo cameras?  My impression was "no".  I was under the impression that the 12MPH-over only applies to the road construction and school zone cameras that the new(er) state law allowed.
This would support what I was told by a guy who lived in the county last week.  I asked about the amount of leeway over the limit, as I had heard about the 12mph rule.  He told me he's gotten a bunch of tickets for - if I recall correctly (and him as well) - as little as 5 mph over.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 11, 2015, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 11, 2015, 07:18:46 AM
QuoteIn addition, don't forget Maryland state law requires the speed cameras give you a 12-mph cushion

Does this also apply to the pre-existing MoCo cameras?  My impression was "no".  I was under the impression that the 12MPH-over only applies to the road construction and school zone cameras that the new(er) state law allowed.


I don't know. Everything I've seen in the media referred to the 12-mph limit, but of course media reports are not determinative.

Put it this way, when I pass a location I know to have a camera, such as going between I-270 and downtown Rockville, I just slow down, same as I do in DC, because I don't necessarily trust the cameras to be calibrated properly. I usually slow down in school zones anyway unless it's very obvious school's not in session (such as a weekend).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on February 11, 2015, 08:39:53 AM
From WTOP.com: WASHINGTON – A woman in Prince George's County got an unwelcome surprise on Tuesday when a big chunk of concrete fell onto her car.

ABC7 reports that it happened on Suitland Road, where the road crosses underneath a Interstate-495 overpass in Morningside, just before 5 p.m.

Katherine Dean wasn't hurt, but her car suffered a lot of damage. She was driving the car that was hit. She told ABC7 that she was "in shock, because it felt like a bomb hit my car."

ABC7 adds that state records show the bridge was listed as one of 81 "structurally deficient"  bridges in Maryland in 2014.

That designation doesn't mean the bridges are unsafe, but that they need work. The one on Suitland Road is on a list for repairs.

A spokesman for the Maryland State Highway Administration told ABC7 that the bridge was assessed Tuesday night and would remain open Wednesday, when a more thorough investigation would be conducted.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on February 11, 2015, 09:42:28 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 11, 2015, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 11, 2015, 07:18:46 AM
QuoteIn addition, don't forget Maryland state law requires the speed cameras give you a 12-mph cushion

Does this also apply to the pre-existing MoCo cameras?  My impression was "no".  I was under the impression that the 12MPH-over only applies to the road construction and school zone cameras that the new(er) state law allowed.


I don't know. Everything I've seen in the media referred to the 12-mph limit, but of course media reports are not determinative.

Put it this way, when I pass a location I know to have a camera, such as going between I-270 and downtown Rockville, I just slow down, same as I do in DC, because I don't necessarily trust the cameras to be calibrated properly. I usually slow down in school zones anyway unless it's very obvious school's not in session (such as a weekend).
According to this page on the Montgomery County PD's website, the speed cameras allow for up to the additional 12mph:
http://www.mymcpnews.com/divisions-2/field-services-bureau/traffic-division/ateu/ (http://www.mymcpnews.com/divisions-2/field-services-bureau/traffic-division/ateu/)
They also apparently are only in residential zones with 35 mph limits or less or in school zones.  I assume then, that for any road in the county or anywhere else in the state with a limit of 40mph or above, that the cameras can then be only in construction zones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on February 11, 2015, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 11, 2015, 07:18:46 AM
QuoteIn addition, don't forget Maryland state law requires the speed cameras give you a 12-mph cushion

Does this also apply to the pre-existing MoCo cameras?  My impression was "no".  I was under the impression that the 12MPH-over only applies to the road construction and school zone cameras that the new(er) state law allowed.
Yes it does apply to existing cameras.  The county was crying over lost revenue due to the changes because of the state law.
http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/10212009/montnew190242_32521.shtml
The only part that's different about Montgomery County is this:
QuoteMontgomery County was fortunate to retain a provision that allows enforcement in residential zones, Bronrott said. Other jurisdictions are only permitted to use the cameras in work or school zones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 11, 2015, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on February 11, 2015, 08:39:53 AM
ABC7 adds that state records show the bridge was listed as one of 81 "structurally deficient"  bridges in Maryland in 2014.

That designation doesn't mean the bridges are unsafe, but that they need work. The one on Suitland Road is on a list for repairs.

This bridge is essentially unchanged since it was constructed in 1964, and needs (at a minimum) to have its deck replaced.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on February 11, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
At a bare minimum, this bridge is a candidate for a "put lots of 2x12's across the bottoms of the girders to catch the falling debris" project.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on February 12, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
Baltimore people: Do you know what the box next to the ghost I-170 shield said?

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8655/16325137109_789af8a55d_c.jpg)[/url]

and
if you look closely you can see the signs said "Harbor City" and that the "SOUTH" & "NORTH" was added later.  So what was below "Harbor City" and why and when was it changed?

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8607/15891598093_99fb9ae769_c.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7418/16510039671_bb2a2cb95e_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 12, 2015, 01:25:34 PM
Harbor City Boulevard was the original name of that street. It was re-named for King around 1982. The first bill to make that changed was introduced in 1972 by the late Ike Dixon, a state legislator from Baltimore, but it took ten years to get it passed.

I don't know whether the signs said "Boulevard" or "Blvd" underneath "Harbor City" because I was a little kid back then. Don't think we ever went to Baltimore, either (especially seeing as how the Harbor Tunnel and Key Bridge were the two main thru routes at the time with I-95 being unfinished).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on February 12, 2015, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: doofy103 on February 12, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
Baltimore people: Do you know what the box next to the ghost I-170 shield said?

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8655/16325137109_789af8a55d_c.jpg)
TO? That would make sense if US 40 stayed on Franklin while I-170 existed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on February 12, 2015, 05:35:22 PM
also added quite a few Baltimore pics on my Flickr via my alias: Merging Traffic:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/98731835@N05/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 23, 2015, 09:16:07 PM
Baltimore Sun: Beltway widening to increase ease for drivers but noise for neighbors (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-co-beltway-construction-20150223-story.html)

QuoteA massive construction project to widen the southwest section of the Beltway is intended to ease congestion for drivers, but those who live nearby say it's coming at the cost of more noise and disruption for their neighborhoods.

QuoteCrews are set to begin adding a fourth lane to the outer loop of Interstate 695 between the Baltimore National Pike and Frederick Road this summer as part of a four-year, $117 million undertaking.

Quote"It's an investment for the future," said Teal Cary, executive director of the Catonsville Chamber of Commerce.

QuoteThe area may be suffering construction fatigue, with the Frederick Avenue bridge over the Beltway finally completed last fall, but Cary says the results have been worth the inconvenience.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on February 23, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
It feels like the southwest end of the beltway has been under construction for like 10 years. Between the approach to I-95, the Frederick Rd bridge, and Wilkens Av., I don't think there's been a period where that part's not had orange signs on some part of it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on February 24, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 23, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
It feels like the southwest end of the beltway has been under construction for like 10 years. Between the approach to I-95, the Frederick Rd bridge, and Wilkens Av., I don't think there's been a period where that parts not had orange signs on some part of it.

That, and one big speed camera zone
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2015, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on February 24, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 23, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
It feels like the southwest end of the beltway has been under construction for like 10 years. Between the approach to I-95, the Frederick Rd bridge, and Wilkens Av., I don't think there's been a period where that parts not had orange signs on some part of it.

That, and one big speed camera zone

The State Highway Administration work zone speed cameras are very well "advertised" in advance of the camera zones, almost as if SHA does not really want the revenue (and they don't - they want traffic to slow in work zones). 

Note that this comment does not apply to the speed camera programs run in certain municipalities (Baltimore City and Morningside come to mind).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on February 24, 2015, 08:15:19 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2015, 07:46:49 PM
The State Highway Administration work zone speed cameras are very well "advertised" in advance of the camera zones, almost as if SHA does not really want the revenue (and they don't - they want traffic to slow in work zones). 

Note that this comment does not apply to the speed camera programs run in certain municipalities (Baltimore City and Morningside come to mind).

Chestertown (on MD 291 near Chestertown Christian Academy), Centreville (on Kidwell and Little Kidwell Avenues near Kennard Elementary School as well as on MD 304 by Queen Anne's Co. HS), and Snow Hill (on Business U.S. 113 near Snow Hill ES and MS) come to *my* mind.   IIRC such cams for municipalities can only be set up in school zones.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on February 28, 2015, 11:18:33 PM
Anybody know anything ab the photo enforcement in work zones? I was on I-695 in a work zone and in was doing 56 mph in my 2014 honda. There were no cars within 3-4 car lengths and the radar gun/sipped sign said I was going 63. Wtf? Is the radar calibrated at a higher speed? Shall I expect a ticket by mail?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2015, 09:13:42 AM
You're supposed to get a 12-mph cushion in those.

Just because your speedometer said you were going 56 doesn't necessarily mean your speedometer is accurate, though there's no guarantee the sign is accurate either.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: SteveG1988 on March 01, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 01, 2015, 09:13:42 AM
You're supposed to get a 12-mph cushion in those.

Just because your speedometer said you were going 56 doesn't necessarily mean your speedometer is accurate, though there's no guarantee the sign is accurate either.

I forgot where i heard this but i read somewhere that they put the out of calibration equipment in those, like it can interface with older radar guns.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 01, 2015, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: doofy103 on February 28, 2015, 11:18:33 PM
Anybody know anything ab the photo enforcement in work zones? I was on I-695 in a work zone and in was doing 56 mph in my 2014 honda. There were no cars within 3-4 car lengths and the radar gun/sipped sign said I was going 63. Wtf? Is the radar calibrated at a higher speed? Shall I expect a ticket by mail?

The signs ("YOUR SPEED") use a separate radar device from the ones used for automated enforcement, at least in Maryland on work zones on state-maintained roads, so I would not worry too much about it.

The automated enforcement equipment is always mounted on the front of a larger white SUV (they seem to prefer Jeeps for reasons not clear to me) with clear SHA markings on the sides. 

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 01, 2015, 03:06:10 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 24, 2015, 08:15:19 PM
Chestertown (on MD 291 near Chestertown Christian Academy), Centreville (on Kidwell and Little Kidwell Avenues near Kennard Elementary School), and Snow Hill (on Business U.S. 113 near Snow Hill ES and MS) come to *my* mind.   IIRC such cams for municipalities can only be set up in school zones.

ixnay

The ones I have seen in Morningside (which has traditionally had a reputation for strict speed limit enforcement by its municipal cops) on Suitland Road do not appear to be near any public school.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 01, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
QuoteThe ones I have seen in Morningside (which has traditionally had a reputation for strict speed limit enforcement by its municipal cops) on Suitland Road do not appear to be near any public school.

If Morningside had a reputation for strict speed limit enforcement, then the reality was gone by 2008.  I only saw them occasionally when I was working in Suitland, and I was on Suitland Rd quite a bit as it was the direct route between Suitland and Andrews.

Morningside Elementary isn't directly on Suitland Rd...it's about 1/3 mile off the side, but when the county redid the road a few years ago, they included a pedestrian school crossing at the intersection in front of the Exxon.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 01, 2015, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: froggie on March 01, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
QuoteThe ones I have seen in Morningside (which has traditionally had a reputation for strict speed limit enforcement by its municipal cops) on Suitland Road do not appear to be near any public school.

If Morningside had a reputation for strict speed limit enforcement, then the reality was gone by 2008.  I only saw them occasionally when I was working in Suitland, and I was on Suitland Rd quite a bit as it was the direct route between Suitland and Andrews.

Saw what appears to be strict speed limit enforcement  by the Morningside cops there as recently as 2013, when I was working on a trip generation study at Joint Base Andrews and drove Suitland Road several times from the base to the Suitland Parkway, always at various times in the morning.

Quote from: froggie on March 01, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
Morningside Elementary isn't directly on Suitland Rd...it's about 1/3 mile off the side, but when the county redid the road a few years ago, they included a pedestrian school crossing at the intersection in front of the Exxon.

In the many years of court-ordered school busing for purposes of desegregation in Prince George's County, most children were transported by bus (only), since they were frequently resident a considerable distance from the school.  That court order is no longer in effect, so presumably some students are now walking to schools.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 02, 2015, 09:22:08 AM
Regardless of one's personal experience with enforcement, there have been a lot of stories in the news the past few years about Morningside running at least one speed camera in violation of the state law allowing automated enforcement. I believe the camera has been removed, and I never had the misfortune of having any reason to go see where it was.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on March 02, 2015, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: froggie on March 01, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
QuoteThe ones I have seen in Morningside (which has traditionally had a reputation for strict speed limit enforcement by its municipal cops) on Suitland Road do not appear to be near any public school.

Morningside Elementary isn't directly on Suitland Rd...it's about 1/3 mile off the side, but when the county redid the road a few years ago, they included a pedestrian school crossing at the intersection in front of the Exxon.

Apparently the ES is close enough to generate enough school kid pedestrian traffic across Suitland Rd. to warrant strict speed enforcement. (https://www.google.com/maps/search/skyline+elementary++Morningside,+MD/@38.8279008,-76.8964092,17z)
And apparently enough school kid pedestrian traffic exists on Kidwell Ave. in Centreville to warrant photo enforcement there although *Little* Kidwell is the street that passes Kennard ES. (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kennard+School/@39.0391519,-76.0660914,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b8733f9cbf74c9:0x1efa96564e47b90d)

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2015, 02:26:39 PM
Thanks to the magic of Google:

WTOP Radio (24Nov2013): Drivers' videos show Morningside speed-camera problems (http://wtop.com/news/2013/11/drivers-videos-show-morningside-speed-camera-problems/)

WJLA TV (7) (28May2014): Morningside speed cameras removed from Suitland Road (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/05/morningside-speed-cameras-removed-from-suitland-road-103554.html)

QuoteMORNINGSIDE, Md. (WJLA) - A Prince George's County town has removed a set of controversial speed cameras along a stretch of Suitland Road.

QuoteOfficials from the the town of Morningside, Md., told WTOP that the cameras were removed last week, marking the end of the town's contract with speed camera vendor Brekford.

QuoteThe cameras had drawn criticism for multiple reasons. Maryland law requires speed cameras to be placed only in county-designated school zones, but Prince George's County had not designated the stretch of Suitland Road as such. In response to questions from ABC 7 about the lack of a school zone designation for the area with the cameras, town officials said that the county's notice to remove the cameras didn't arrive until the statute of limitations had already passed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 03, 2015, 02:47:54 PM
Quotetown officials said that the county's notice to remove the cameras didn't arrive until the statute of limitations had already passed.

Huh?  How does the limitation of something that's not legal in the first place expire?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2015, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 03, 2015, 02:47:54 PM
Quotetown officials said that the county's notice to remove the cameras didn't arrive until the statute of limitations had already passed.

Huh?  How does the limitation of something that's not legal in the first place expire?

I do not know. 

It is not clear what the county had to do with this either, since speed cameras are regulated by state law in Maryland, and if a motorist wants to challenge a ticket issued by one, it is done in the District Court of Maryland (a state court, as we do not have county or municipal courts).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2015, 07:47:50 PM
Baltimore Sun: With more snow on the way, costs pile up (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/weather-blog/bs-md-snow-costs-20150303-story.html)

QuoteWith a snowstorm in the forecast that could be the biggest in March in two decades, local governments are breaking their winter weather response budgets, and some are running low on salt.

QuoteA cold front is expected to move in overnight Wednesday, bringing more frigid temperatures and several inches of snow. Depending on how quickly cold air rushes in and how intensely precipitation develops, the region could see a dusting to more than 6 inches of snow.

Quote"It does look like we're going to need the snow shovels on Thursday," said Tom Kines, a senior meteorologist with AccuWeather.com. "It's a matter of if it's 3 inches or 10 inches. I think that's the question mark."

QuoteWith the particularly harsh winter, a number of localities in the Baltimore region have spent more than they planned on plowing snow and salting icy roads, and are dipping into other funds.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: J Route Z on March 03, 2015, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2015, 07:47:50 PM
Baltimore Sun: With more snow on the way, costs pile up (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/weather-blog/bs-md-snow-costs-20150303-story.html)

QuoteWith a snowstorm in the forecast that could be the biggest in March in two decades, local governments are breaking their winter weather response budgets, and some are running low on salt.

QuoteA cold front is expected to move in overnight Wednesday, bringing more frigid temperatures and several inches of snow. Depending on how quickly cold air rushes in and how intensely precipitation develops, the region could see a dusting to more than 6 inches of snow.

Quote"It does look like we're going to need the snow shovels on Thursday," said Tom Kines, a senior meteorologist with AccuWeather.com. "It's a matter of if it's 3 inches or 10 inches. I think that's the question mark."

QuoteWith the particularly harsh winter, a number of localities in the Baltimore region have spent more than they planned on plowing snow and salting icy roads, and are dipping into other funds.

Good luck getting out of your houses tomorrow!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 05, 2015, 04:21:48 PM
Well, 70 MPH got one step closer than it did last year (it just passed both legislative bodies) and is a signature away from being allowed.

MD Speed Limits Could Reach 70 MPH (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-speed-limit-20150305-story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 06, 2015, 06:47:59 PM
Washington Post: Maryland Senate confirms Pete Rahn as transportation secretary (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-senate-confirms-pete-rahn-as-transportation-secretary/2015/03/06/68471ae8-c439-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html)

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/03/03/Local-Politics/Images/st_251423812668-QLQQ-560.jpg?uuid=URT4WMHOEeSScWECc4RiOQ)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on March 10, 2015, 07:34:16 PM
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/03/10/overturned-tanker-shuts-down-1-95-s/

The tractor-trailer flipped over on the southbound carriage way of I-95 between the on-ramp from MD 198 west to I-95 south and the Konterra Drive overpass. I didn't see any sign of traffic diversions via the C-D lanes in the scenes shown on TV.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 10, 2015, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on March 10, 2015, 07:34:16 PM
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/03/10/overturned-tanker-shuts-down-1-95-s/

The tractor-trailer flipped over on the southbound carriage way of I-95 between the on-ramp from MD 198 west to I-95 south and the Konterra Drive overpass. I didn't see any sign of traffic diversions via the C-D lanes in the scenes shown on TV.

There were, once Prince George's County Fire and Rescue and SHA determined that there was no hazard to passing drivers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on March 11, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 05, 2015, 04:21:48 PM
Well, 70 MPH got one step closer than it did last year (it just passed both legislative bodies) and is a signature away from being allowed.

MD Speed Limits Could Reach 70 MPH (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-speed-limit-20150305-story.html)
I'm suspecting that I-68 and I-70 in the far western reaches of the state will be the first sections to be signed with the new speed limit, and I-95 north to Wilmington is also another possibility.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on March 13, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
Does anybody know why this BGS is blank?  Looks like it would say "I-83 NORTH" with an arrow or something. 

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8715/16804679751_a1799d6184_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rAYnPM)Blank BGS with button copy trim. Anybody know why it&#x27;s blank? Looking down on it from I-83/Jones Falls Expressway. Baltimore, MD. (https://flic.kr/p/rAYnPM) by mergingtraffic (https://www.flickr.com/people/98731835@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 14, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
Would help to know which street it's on...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on March 14, 2015, 10:05:08 PM
Quote from: froggie on March 14, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
Would help to know which street it's on...


Here it is:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.292796,-76.608633,3a,75y,287.65h,87.35t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sr6if_OXpijynKVAFgnO77A!2e0
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 15, 2015, 11:37:07 AM
I note US-40 is a short distance north of there. Was what eventually became I-170 ever supposed to meet I-83? If so, it would have been in that area, so maybe the sign in question is left over from back then? There are some extremely old signs in various places around Baltimore.


Edited to add: Never mind, I just looked at Scott Kozel's site and he says I-170 was never planned to meet I-83. Makes sense due to some historic structures in that area. So the sign must have been for something else.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on March 15, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
If nothing was supposed to continue across downtown, what would the expressway connecting the stubs at 95 and Moravia over to the Beltway have been?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 15, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on March 15, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
If nothing was supposed to continue across downtown, what would the expressway connecting the stubs at 95 and Moravia over to the Beltway have been?
An expressway connecting I-95 to the beltway.

Unrelated: I-83 was originally proposed to continue east from downtown to the stubs at Boston Street.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 16, 2015, 08:00:17 AM
The ramp this sign is on wasn't built until sometime in the 1980s, after when "I-170" was built and long after the decision to end I-170 where it did.  It's possible it was built in the early '80s as part of I-83's extension to Pleasant St.  Otherwise, it was likely built after I-83's cancellation, as part of the connection of I-83 to South President St, in which case it was built in the mid-80s.

I'd hazard a bet that it was an overhead sign guiding motorists to "I-83 North".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2015, 09:02:15 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on March 15, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
If nothing was supposed to continue across downtown, what would the expressway connecting the stubs at 95 and Moravia over to the Beltway have been?

Look at a map and you'll get a sense for how the road NE2 mentions (the Windlass Freeway) would have run. Note where I-695 passes near Batavia Park and then curves sharply to the south. The road from the ghost ramps you mention would have tied in right around the point where what is now I-695 curves there. I-695 itself was originally supposed to follow a different route further to the southeast along what is now Route 702 and would have turned southwest somewhere further down that peninsula. This explains why, when you look at a map or a satellite view, I-695 appears to have a form of a TOTSO maneuver in the vicinity of Essex.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 16, 2015, 12:09:17 PM
Kozel mentions that on his website.  It was certainly one of the options for I-695, but of the old planning maps I've seen and perused, I have yet to see anything that definitively states that I-695 was to follow the Essex peninsula.

Whatever the early plans, it appears that by 1964, I-695 was proposed more or less along its current alignment:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3928/15402403641_4e3de5ee4b_z_d.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajfroggie/15402403641)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on March 16, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: froggie on March 16, 2015, 08:00:17 AM
I'd hazard a bet that it was an overhead sign guiding motorists to "I-83 North".
I'm thinking the same thing!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 16, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
I read on Wikipedia (not the most accurate website) that there are plans to demolish Interstate 83 in Baltimore between Fayette Street and Edgar Street, but that it would not happen until at least 2020. What do you think of this proposal?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on March 16, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 16, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
I read on Wikipedia (not the most accurate website) that there are plans to demolish Interstate 83 in Baltimore between Fayette Street and Edgar Street, but that it would not happen until at least 2020. What do you think of this proposal?

Not sure where Edgar Street is, but I don't like the idea of ending an Interstate by a simple transition of freeway to non-freeway. I'd rather see it end at a more major road (like US 1) with an interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 16, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 16, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
I read on Wikipedia (not the most accurate website) that there are plans to demolish Interstate 83 in Baltimore between Fayette Street and Edgar Street, but that it would not happen until at least 2020. What do you think of this proposal?
I'm not seeing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_83
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on March 16, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 16, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
I'm not seeing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_83

I think he's referring to this article, which is in the "References" section (item #10):

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2009-05-17/business/0905160106_1_elevated-expressway-jones-falls-expressway-east-side
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2015, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 16, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 16, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
I read on Wikipedia (not the most accurate website) that there are plans to demolish Interstate 83 in Baltimore between Fayette Street and Edgar Street, but that it would not happen until at least 2020. What do you think of this proposal?

Not sure where Edgar Street is, but I don't like the idea of ending an Interstate by a simple transition of freeway to non-freeway. I'd rather see it end at a more major road (like US 1) with an interchange.

Quote from: NE2 on March 16, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 16, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
I read on Wikipedia (not the most accurate website) that there are plans to demolish Interstate 83 in Baltimore between Fayette Street and Edgar Street, but that it would not happen until at least 2020. What do you think of this proposal?
I'm not seeing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_83


I think he misspelled Eager Street, which does cross under I-83 a short distance before the sharp curve to the left near the Amtrak station. Look in the "Future" section of the article NE2 linked. It discusses tearing down part of the "JFX" (a local Baltimore term for the portion of I-83 inside I-695) and extending President Street to the north.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 16, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
That explains why I didn't find anything searching for Edgar.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 16, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
That explains why I didn't find anything searching for Edgar.

I found an Edgar Terrace in Baltimore, but it wasn't anywhere near the relevant area.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on March 16, 2015, 10:24:25 PM
I mean that I searched for Edgar in the article.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 17, 2015, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 16, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Not sure where Edgar Street is, but I don't like the idea of ending an Interstate by a simple transition of freeway to non-freeway. I'd rather see it end at a more major road (like US 1) with an interchange.

I-83 comes to an end at a signalized intersection at East Fayette Street now. 

Beyond making some anti-freeway activists happy, I am not sure what the proposed freeway removal will accomplish.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 17, 2015, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 16, 2015, 10:24:25 PM
I mean that I searched for Edgar in the article.

Ah. When I couldn't find "Edgar Street" on a map, I looked at the article and found the paragraph in question, noted it said "Eager Street," and then went back to the map.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on March 17, 2015, 10:55:23 AM
Being the death-place of Edgar Allen Poe, I would've thought there would be such a street named for Mr. Poe in Baltimore! But when I searched I just came up empty.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 17, 2015, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 17, 2015, 10:55:23 AM
Being the death-place of Edgar Allen Poe, I would've thought there would be such a street named for Mr. Poe in Baltimore! But when I searched I just came up empty.

Poe Homes (http://www.baltimorehousing.org/public_housing.asp?rid=29), maybe the oldest public housing in use in Baltimore City, can be found on West Lexington Street (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=800+W+Lexington+St,+Baltimore,+MD+21201&ll=39.291108,-76.628748&spn=0.006693,0.011555&hnear=800+W+Lexington+St,+Baltimore,+Maryland+21201&t=m&z=17).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 17, 2015, 03:30:03 PM
Sorry for the confusion. According to google maps, Eager Street is the portion where the Jones Falls Expressway changes from a depressed freeway into an elevated freeway. Personally, I would leave the freeway as is.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 20, 2015, 11:18:48 AM
Baltimore Sun: Months of traffic congestion expected in Baltimore as I-95 construction begins anew (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-interstate-95-construction-20150320-story.html)

QuoteCommuters and other travelers along Interstate 95 in Baltimore should expect heavy traffic congestion during peak travel times for the next eight months, as construction forces a second year of complicated lane closures from Caton Avenue to the Fort McHenry Tunnel.

QuoteThe work is part of a two-year, $60 million project to replace worn decking and joints on the 4.4-mile stretch of highway and the ramps that serve it, which are used by more than 200,000 drivers per day.

QuoteA total of 13 shifts in traffic patterns last year caused major headaches for commuters, and state transportation officials are warning this year will be far worse – with 29 such shifts scheduled between March 29 and Thanksgiving.

Quote"People need to plan ahead or plan to sit in traffic. It's really that straightforward," said Maryland Transportation Secretary Pete Rahn.

QuoteThe problems could be so severe that Rahn called on employers in the Baltimore area to allow workers to change their hours to avoid peak travel periods, which are from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. and from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 24, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland traffic fatalities hit 66-year low (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/commuting/bs-md-traffic-fatalities-20150324-story.html)

QuoteThere were 442 traffic fatalities in Maryland in 2014, the lowest number since 1948 and little more than half the 872 fatalities seen in the state's deadliest year of 1968, state transportation officials announced Tuesday.

QuoteThe most recent decline continues a relatively steady downward trend seen for decades, despite the fact that the annual number of vehicle miles driven in the state has increased by the billions.

QuoteIn the early 2000s, for instance, annual fatalities fell closer to 650, though motorists in the state were traveling several billion miles fewer per year.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on March 26, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
MD 390/16th Street north of Silver Spring has a stub (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.005168,-77.040031&spn=0.000929,0.001742&t=k&z=20&layer=c&cbll=39.005168,-77.040031&panoid=kGt0ZhAn_C8jQvhw4_4FXQ&cbp=12,334.7,,0,5.36) where it ends at MD 97/Georgia Ave, as if it were meant for some kind of interchange on the surface street. I know a spur from the North Central Freeway was planned here, but judging by this design (http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/560/1265/1600/569006/image079.jpg), the spur would have obliterated the existing setup rather than used the stub at all. What was this meant for?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 26, 2015, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on March 26, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
MD 390/16th Street north of Silver Spring has a stub (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.005168,-77.040031&spn=0.000929,0.001742&t=k&z=20&layer=c&cbll=39.005168,-77.040031&panoid=kGt0ZhAn_C8jQvhw4_4FXQ&cbp=12,334.7,,0,5.36) where it ends at MD 97/Georgia Ave, as if it were meant for some kind of interchange on the surface street. I know a spur from the North Central Freeway was planned here, but judging by this design (http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/560/1265/1600/569006/image079.jpg), the spur would have obliterated the existing setup rather than used the stub at all. What was this meant for?

What is the mainline of 16th Street was to continue to the north and east as the Northern Parkway.

It would have passed under I-495 (a bridge was there for years, it was removed in 2001) then continued north parallel to Sligo Creek, across Md. 193 (University Boulevard West), across the east side of Wheaton Regional Park, to an interchange with the Outer Beltway (Md. 200 now) between Md. 182 and Md. 650, then potentially north into Howard County.

About  a year ago, the Around The Corners blog (mostly about the Four Corners area of Montgomery County) ran a pretty good article about the Northern Parkway.   

The article is online:  The Northern Parkway (http://aroundfourcorners.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-northern-parkway.html).

QuoteHave you ever crossed under the Beltway while using the Sligo Creek Trail?  If you have, you will know that there is a nice grassy area north of the Beltway between Forest Glen Road, Holy Cross Hospital, and the creek.  If you have lived in Four Corners a long time, you will remember that the bridge carrying the Beltway over the Sligo Creek Trial used to be ridiculously large for the size of the trail it crossed.  If you've lived in the area for a really long time, you will remember when the Beltway had exit numbers that were sequential instead of mileage based.  Georgia Avenue used to be Exit 23, and Colesville Road used to be Exit 21.  So what was exit 22?

QuoteThe large bridge that carried the Beltway over the trail (before being replaced in 2001) was not built to carry the Beltway over a path; rather, it was built to carry the Beltway over a six lane limited-access highway.  That grassy area next to the hospital is not there by accident; it was supposed to be the site of an extensive freeway interchange.  The omission of Exit 22 was not a mistake; it was supposed to be the future exit number for the Northern Parkway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 05, 2015, 05:22:09 PM
Images from the Baltimore Sun archives:

Annapolis Road in the Westport area of Baltimore City in 1962:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trbimg.com%2Fimg-551c256d%2Fturbine%2Fbal-bs-rb-skyline-then-19620412%2F1200%2F1200x675&hash=bf59addd4789de9f95faf0bfeb8f9d7ad4a00b86)

and recently:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trbimg.com%2Fimg-551c256d%2Fturbine%2Fbal-bs-rb-skyline-nowa-20150312%2F1200%2F1200x675&hash=195b0c983dd14a813b0599640ffcab1d53286f37)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 05, 2015, 08:47:39 PM
Baltimore Sun: A wrong turn at the NSA can bring trouble (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-nsa-wrong-turns-20150405-story.html)

QuoteThe driver, identified by the FBI as 27-year-old Ricky Shawatza Hall of Baltimore, was pronounced dead at the scene. A passenger was shot in the chest and taken to the Maryland Shock Trauma Center; the passenger's identity and condition have not been available.

QuoteAuthorities have released few details of the incident, but the FBI was quick to rule out terrorism. Police say Hall and the passenger were traveling in an SUV that was reported stolen from a man at a motel in nearby Elkridge shortly before they arrived at the NSA gate off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway Monday morning.

QuoteThe electronic eavesdropping agency is among the most secretive in the government, and signs at the parkway exit warn unauthorized motorists away.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on April 05, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 05, 2015, 08:47:39 PM
Baltimore Sun: A wrong turn at the NSA can bring trouble (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-nsa-wrong-turns-20150405-story.html)

QuoteThe driver, identified by the FBI as 27-year-old Ricky Shawatza Hall of Baltimore, was pronounced dead at the scene. A passenger was shot in the chest and taken to the Maryland Shock Trauma Center; the passenger's identity and condition have not been available.

QuoteAuthorities have released few details of the incident, but the FBI was quick to rule out terrorism. Police say Hall and the passenger were traveling in an SUV that was reported stolen from a man at a motel in nearby Elkridge shortly before they arrived at the NSA gate off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway Monday morning.

QuoteThe electronic eavesdropping agency is among the most secretive in the government, and signs at the parkway exit warn unauthorized motorists away.

Okay, for the first guy in the article, (and the second for that matter), before you turn onto MD 32 heading towards Fort Meade it CLEARLY says "EMPLOYEES ONLY". That's all there is to it. The whole thing where the guards basically treated them like criminals I don't agree with at all, but still, I don't know how you can miss the sign. For reference, here's the sign they are referencing (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.129527,-76.761991,3a,31.8y,231.83h,90.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZvZhiOgn2W3B-dcjURYdKg!2e0). Further down the road, here's the sign on MD 32 for the NSA complex entrance. (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.102615,-76.771041,3a,22.6y,141.11h,97.82t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgbFsHsJM8c5u_-iKfMyPvQ!2e0)

The second person, he tried to drive headfirst into a police vehicle. That's a pretty good reason for the guards to open fire upon him.

The NSA should have an area to turn around if you accidentally enter the complex or be escorted out of the complex by the guards. I don't see why they need to treat people as terrorists for making a simple mistake.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 06, 2015, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on April 05, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
Okay, for the first guy in the article, (and the second for that matter), before you turn onto MD 32 heading towards Fort Meade it CLEARLY says "EMPLOYEES ONLY". That's all there is to it. The whole thing where the guards basically treated them like criminals I don't agree with at all, but still, I don't know how you can miss the sign. For reference, here's the sign they are referencing (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.129527,-76.761991,3a,31.8y,231.83h,90.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZvZhiOgn2W3B-dcjURYdKg!2e0). Further down the road, here's the sign on MD 32 for the NSA complex entrance. (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.102615,-76.771041,3a,22.6y,141.11h,97.82t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgbFsHsJM8c5u_-iKfMyPvQ!2e0)

This was the entrance off the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington parkway, and it is probably more this sign (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fort+George+G.+Meade,+Fort+Meade,+MD&hl=en&ll=39.121404,-76.768985&spn=0.026835,0.046563&sll=38.804821,-77.236966&sspn=3.450062,5.960083&oq=fort+george&t=h&hq=Fort+George+G.+Meade,&hnear=Fort+Meade,+Anne+Arundel+County,+Maryland&z=15&layer=c&cbll=39.121131,-76.769257&panoid=T6YTajeHJ5g-ggJZML0rfg&cbp=12,238.85,,2,3.03) that the Sun article refers to. 

Quote from: Zeffy on April 05, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
The second person, he tried to drive headfirst into a police vehicle. That's a pretty good reason for the guards to open fire upon him.

Males wearing female clothing have been implicated in several acts of terrorism outside the United States, another reason for the NSA police to be more than a little suspicious of them.  NSA Security may not have been aware of it immediately, but the vehicle that they were driving had been stolen a short time earlier from a motel on U.S. 1 in nearby Howard County.

Quote from: Zeffy on April 05, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
The NSA should have an area to turn around if you accidentally enter the complex or be escorted out of the complex by the guards. I don't see why they need to treat people as terrorists for making a simple mistake.

Though every entrance to the NSA campus is pretty clearly marked as being for EMPLOYEES ONLY or RESTRICTED ENTRANCE (I do not like that wording at all).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on April 06, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 06, 2015, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on April 05, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
Okay, for the first guy in the article, (and the second for that matter), before you turn onto MD 32 heading towards Fort Meade it CLEARLY says "EMPLOYEES ONLY". That's all there is to it. The whole thing where the guards basically treated them like criminals I don't agree with at all, but still, I don't know how you can miss the sign. For reference, here's the sign they are referencing (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.129527,-76.761991,3a,31.8y,231.83h,90.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZvZhiOgn2W3B-dcjURYdKg!2e0). Further down the road, here's the sign on MD 32 for the NSA complex entrance. (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.102615,-76.771041,3a,22.6y,141.11h,97.82t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgbFsHsJM8c5u_-iKfMyPvQ!2e0)

This was the entrance off the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington parkway, and it is probably more this sign (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fort+George+G.+Meade,+Fort+Meade,+MD&hl=en&ll=39.121404,-76.768985&spn=0.026835,0.046563&sll=38.804821,-77.236966&sspn=3.450062,5.960083&oq=fort+george&t=h&hq=Fort+George+G.+Meade,&hnear=Fort+Meade,+Anne+Arundel+County,+Maryland&z=15&layer=c&cbll=39.121131,-76.769257&panoid=T6YTajeHJ5g-ggJZML0rfg&cbp=12,238.85,,2,3.03) that the Sun article refers to. 

Oh, that would make more sense. I didn't see an exit that led directly into Fort Meade like that. In that case, RESTRICTED ENTRANCE should tell you that taking that exit is a dumb idea unless you have authorization to be there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: DeaconG on April 06, 2015, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on April 06, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 06, 2015, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on April 05, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
Okay, for the first guy in the article, (and the second for that matter), before you turn onto MD 32 heading towards Fort Meade it CLEARLY says "EMPLOYEES ONLY". That's all there is to it. The whole thing where the guards basically treated them like criminals I don't agree with at all, but still, I don't know how you can miss the sign. For reference, here's the sign they are referencing (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.129527,-76.761991,3a,31.8y,231.83h,90.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZvZhiOgn2W3B-dcjURYdKg!2e0). Further down the road, here's the sign on MD 32 for the NSA complex entrance. (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.102615,-76.771041,3a,22.6y,141.11h,97.82t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgbFsHsJM8c5u_-iKfMyPvQ!2e0)

This was the entrance off the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington parkway, and it is probably more this sign (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fort+George+G.+Meade,+Fort+Meade,+MD&hl=en&ll=39.121404,-76.768985&spn=0.026835,0.046563&sll=38.804821,-77.236966&sspn=3.450062,5.960083&oq=fort+george&t=h&hq=Fort+George+G.+Meade,&hnear=Fort+Meade,+Anne+Arundel+County,+Maryland&z=15&layer=c&cbll=39.121131,-76.769257&panoid=T6YTajeHJ5g-ggJZML0rfg&cbp=12,238.85,,2,3.03) that the Sun article refers to. 

Oh, that would make more sense. I didn't see an exit that led directly into Fort Meade like that. In that case, RESTRICTED ENTRANCE should tell you that taking that exit is a dumb idea unless you have authorization to be there.

Does the exit sign for GSFC still say "EMPLOYEES ONLY?"
There should still be a turn-around just before you get to the gate.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on April 06, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
Regarding that ramp on MD 295, why does it shunt everyone to the NSA anyways?  It looks like there's a public business park on the other side of the road, so modifying the interchange to not restrict the turns would take care of the problem.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on April 06, 2015, 06:39:48 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 06, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
Regarding that ramp on MD 295, why does it shunt everyone to the NSA anyways?  It looks like there's a public business park on the other side of the road, so modifying the interchange to not restrict the turns would take care of the problem.

It looks like heading right at the intersection after the ramp leads you into Jessup, which isn't restricted access, while heading left dumps you into Fort Meade, right next to the NSA.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on April 06, 2015, 07:02:00 PM
That ramp doesn't look like it's set up to allow people to legally turn right.  Hard to say without street view though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on April 06, 2015, 07:44:46 PM
If you want to go to the Jessup Business Center, you should use the ramp a few hundred feet south. Note that this road is NOT MD 295; it is the Baltimore Washington Parkway, and is maintained by the NPS. MD 295 starts further north at MD 175. These ramps and bridge were built with NSA funds specifically for NSA employees. And don't believe for a second that those are innocent plumbing companies and the like in that business center...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 06, 2015, 08:16:19 PM
QuoteAnd don't believe for a second that those are innocent plumbing companies and the like in that business center...

It's fairly common knowledge in the area (and also on Google Maps) that the business center is full of DoD contractors (Raytheon, Boeing, and Praxis to name a few).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on April 06, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
Re the MD 404 widening project in the vicinity of MD 309 intersection:

Quote from: davewiecking on January 04, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
Have dropped a note to Project Engineer (I wonder how "Mr. Colbert Stephen" pronounces his first name).

Received a reply today from my new best friend Mr. Colbert Stephen, who kindly attached a PDF of the sort that should be on the SHA website, but isn't. So I posted it here (http://www.dawnet.com/traffic/MD404-Phase1B-display.pdf). I really only wondered if the existing Tuckahoe Creek bridge would remain for the westbound lanes, but in a followup reply he said what's being built now is basically the eastbound half of a single bridge that will have a jersey barrier in the middle. Question finally answered.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 06, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
Regarding that ramp on MD 295, why does it shunt everyone to the NSA anyways?  It looks like there's a public business park on the other side of the road, so modifying the interchange to not restrict the turns would take care of the problem.

That is along the National Business Parkway, formerly the National Security Business Parkway.

I believe all of the buildings that adjoin the NSA Connector Road belong to or are least leased by the U.S. government, so effectively that area is part of the NSA campus.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on April 07, 2015, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 06, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
Regarding that ramp on MD 295, why does it shunt everyone to the NSA anyways?  It looks like there's a public business park on the other side of the road, so modifying the interchange to not restrict the turns would take care of the problem.

That is along the National Business Parkway, formerly the National Security Business Parkway.

I believe all of the buildings that adjoin the NSA Connector Road belong to or are least by the U.S. government, so effectively that area is part of the NSA campus.
Still, I don't see any access restrictions on that part, which would be helpful for those who figure out they made a wrong turn after they left the highway but before they get shoehorned to the gate.  Besides, why should it be easier to access the NSA than the contractors near them?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on April 07, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
On Google Earth, note the police car that's permanently stationed at the intersection. There are 2 spots along 32 near the 198 intersection that are also permanently "guarded". Obviously not fail safe, because the 2 individuals apparently made it past the first position. While driving along 32, I've often wondered what I would need to do to get a reaction out of them, but haven't tested the first line of defense. Must admit this discussion makes me want to read the fine print on that yellow sign with lots of small print (visible on GSV) where Technology Drive turns into Connector Rd. Good chance I'll be passing by there tomorrow, but probably no time to spare.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 08, 2015, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on April 07, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
On Google Earth, note the police car that's permanently stationed at the intersection. There are 2 spots along 32 near the 198 intersection that are also permanently "guarded". Obviously not fail safe, because the 2 individuals apparently made it past the first position. While driving along 32, I've often wondered what I would need to do to get a reaction out of them, but haven't tested the first line of defense. Must admit this discussion makes me want to read the fine print on that yellow sign with lots of small print (visible on GSV) where Technology Drive turns into Connector Rd. Good chance I'll be passing by there tomorrow, but probably no time to spare.

Some months ago, I drove by the NSA campus headed west on Md. 32 in the early evening, but after dusk.

As I approached Exit 9 (Canine Road/Samford Road [the streets inside the NSA perimeter appear to be generally named for former NSA directors]), I saw that a white Land Rover SUV had lost control just before Exit 9, and had gone down a bank and crashed completely through the NSA's fence.

There was no help on the scene, so I called 911, and got Anne Arundel County, who said they had dispatched county and Fort Meade fire and EMS, and the county police.

Being nice, I decided to try and contact the NSA Police, but I did not have their number.  So I called 411 and was connected to the main NSA number, which was answered by a female voice who said "operator"  and nothing more.  I asked if I had reached NSA, and she said yes, and I asked to speak to someone at the NSA Police.  After asking why I was calling them, she connected me, and a male voice there answered "operations," and again, I asked if this was the NSA Police, and the answer was yes. 

So I explained why I was calling, and the voice asked "how I knew this," and I curtly responded because I saw the aftermath of the crash, and added a snide comment that they obviously do not have any detectors in place to identify breaches of their fence.  At that point the guy seemed to grasp that I was trying to do them a favor, and said that yes, he would dispatch the NSA Police to the scene.  He then asked for my name and phone number, so I gave them my middle name (since that is typically all you get from an intelligence agency if you call them), and cell phone number, and said I am sure your agency can get the rest of my name if needed - or - you can just call me back.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on April 08, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
So I guess the answer to my question about what the occupants of those police cars can do is "sleep".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 08, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on April 08, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
So I guess the answer to my question about what the occupants of those police cars can do is "sleep".

I don't think so.  Most of the police cars you see outside the NSA fences are Maryland State Police troopers working some overtime.

I have driven by there many times over the years, and have never observed one of them to be asleep.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 22, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
Maryland's 2015-16 state highway map is available:

http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2199
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on April 22, 2015, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 22, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
Maryland's 2015-16 state highway map is available:

http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2199

I'll pick mine up at any of the next 45 meets when Laura, Mike (T or P), or the others bring a few dozen.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 23, 2015, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: Alps on April 22, 2015, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 22, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
Maryland's 2015-16 state highway map is available:

http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2199

I'll pick mine up at any of the next 45 meets when Laura, Mike (T or P), or the others bring a few dozen.

You even get a mugshot of our new governor, Larry Hogan, Jr. included at no extra charge!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 23, 2015, 10:30:33 PM
Baltimore Sun: State Highway administrator resigns in second major transportation departure this week (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-sha-peters-resign-20150423-story.html)

QuoteMelinda B. Peters, the head of the Maryland State Highway Administration, resigned on Thursday to spend more time with her family, she said.

QuotePeters is the second agency head under the Maryland Department of Transportation to depart in a week, after Robert L. Smith was pushed out as administrator of the Maryland Transit Administration on Friday following months of skepticism about the MTA's performance from the new administration of Gov. Larry Hogan.

QuotePeters, 41 and on the job for 3 1/2 years, said she voluntarily left her position, and that the decision was "absolutely not" about the political transition under Hogan or fears her job was threatened.

QuoteInstead, she said she felt the SHA is in "great hands" and this was a good time to leave as administrator.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 25, 2015, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 17, 2015, 10:34:13 AM
Beyond making some anti-freeway activists happy, I am not sure what the proposed freeway removal will accomplish.
That's basically it. Just making the anti-freeway activists happy.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on April 25, 2015, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 22, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
Maryland's 2015-16 state highway map is available:

http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2199

I picked up a copy the other day at the downsized, no-longer staffed welcome center on Route 301 in Queen Anne's County.  Gone from the map vis a vis its previous edition, for obvious reasons, are the references to the War of 1812, whose bicentennial has come and gone.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on April 25, 2015, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 25, 2015, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 22, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
Maryland's 2015-16 state highway map is available:

http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2199

I picked up a copy the other day at the downsized, no-longer staffed welcome center on Route 301 in Queen Anne's County.  Gone from the map vis a vis its previous edition, for obvious reasons, are the references to the War of 1812, whose bicentennial has come and gone.

ixnay
Doh! I was just in one of the MD rest areas on 95 last weekend and skipped the maps because I already had a couple and didn't think they updated them as frequently anymore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 27, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
Cecil Whig: County asks toll authority for a 30-percent Hatem multi-axle reduction (http://www.cecildaily.com/news/local_news/article_098090a5-490b-5df9-a1cc-0c61ffe4cf92.html)

QuoteA group of Cecil County representatives traveled to Baltimore on Thursday morning to meet in person with the Maryland Transportation Authority, requesting a reduction in tolls for multi-axle vehicles that cross the Hatem Bridge.

QuoteToll relief has long been an issue for local traffic using the Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge, which carries Route 40 over the Susquehanna River between Perryville and Havre de Grace.

QuoteHowever, toll officials gave some relief to single-axle vehicles when the last toll increases were implemented. They allowed a discounted Hatem Bridge-only transponder, but nothing was granted for multi-axle vehicles.

Quote"We used this data to validate our request for a 30 to 40-percent reduction in tolls for multi-axle vehicles, and also for the toll facilities to be relocated to the Maryland/Delaware state line,"  Moore said, noting she felt the presentation was well received. "I believe our strategy of early and frequent communication, and collaboration with MDTA will prove to be very effective in providing measurable toll relief that should decrease the cost of doing business in Cecil County."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 29, 2015, 04:51:51 PM
Those that are near Baltimore, what intersections were affected most with the rioting?  Parts around the US-40 stub?  How is traffic in the area?  Lighter than normal?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on April 29, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on April 29, 2015, 04:51:51 PM
Those that are near Baltimore, what intersections were affected most with the rioting?  Parts around the US-40 stub?  How is traffic in the area?  Lighter than normal?

The rioting took place near Mondawmin and Sandtown-Winchester, and from what I read Pennsylvania Avenue (MD 140) at Fulton Avenue was a big flashpoint between protesters/rioters and police.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on April 29, 2015, 06:16:53 PM
Baltimore Sun has a good map here (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bal-map-mondays-violence-20150427-htmlstory.html). Most of the civil disturbances were along North Ave and up Resitertown Rd.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on April 29, 2015, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 27, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
Quote"We used this data to validate our request for a 30 to 40-percent reduction in tolls for multi-axle vehicles, and also for the toll facilities to be relocated to the Maryland/Delaware state line,"  Moore said.
Wait wait wait, what was that last part? Just sorta thrown in there?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Alps on April 29, 2015, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 27, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
Quote"We used this data to validate our request for a 30 to 40-percent reduction in tolls for multi-axle vehicles, and also for the toll facilities to be relocated to the Maryland/Delaware state line,"  Moore said.
Wait wait wait, what was that last part? Just sorta thrown in there?

Good question!

For many years, Cecil County politicians have been demanding that MdTA move its toll collection point on I-95 to the Delaware state line (difficult to do if cash toll collection is to continue because there is not much room between Md. 279 (Exit 109) and the border, and the Amtrak N.E. Corridor passes under I-95 on the Maryland side of the line).

Delaware politely said that their state laws do not allow them to collect tolls for an out-of-state entity on I-95 (this was suggested by those same Cecil County elected officials), and MdTA funded  a study by engineering consultants RK&K which concluded that the toll plaza should stay where it is at Perryville (unfortunately, the study is no longer online).

The demand to move the U.S. 40 toll collection point for the Hatem Bridge to near the Delaware line is one that I had not heard before, and (IMO) will not work so well, since shunpiking onto lower-class roads to the south and north of U.S. 40 will almost certainly be the result.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on April 30, 2015, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AMThe demand to move the U.S. 40 toll collection point for the Hatem Bridge to near the Delaware line is one that I had not heard before, and (IMO) will not work so well, since shunpiking onto lower-class roads to the south and north of U.S. 40 will almost certainly be the result.

That's a horrible idea given that US 40 is basically a suburban drag strip (with some shorter rural stretches dotted throughout) between the river and Elkton.  Moving it would make commuting an absolute nightmare for the many people who commute that road every day.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on May 01, 2015, 12:14:45 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on April 30, 2015, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AMThe demand to move the U.S. 40 toll collection point for the Hatem Bridge to near the Delaware line is one that I had not heard before, and (IMO) will not work so well, since shunpiking onto lower-class roads to the south and north of U.S. 40 will almost certainly be the result.

That's a horrible idea given that US 40 is basically a suburban drag strip (with some shorter rural stretches dotted throughout) between the river and Elkton.  Moving it would make commuting an absolute nightmare for the many people who commute that road every day.

Realistically, the S River is a great toll collection point, since it is very hard to get around the toll.  To lower the impact on Cecil, there should be discount plans for residents, or other frequent travelers across the bridge, similar to what Staten Island residents enjoy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on May 01, 2015, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: mrsman on May 01, 2015, 12:14:45 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on April 30, 2015, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AMThe demand to move the U.S. 40 toll collection point for the Hatem Bridge to near the Delaware line is one that I had not heard before, and (IMO) will not work so well, since shunpiking onto lower-class roads to the south and north of U.S. 40 will almost certainly be the result.

That's a horrible idea given that US 40 is basically a suburban drag strip (with some shorter rural stretches dotted throughout) between the river and Elkton.  Moving it would make commuting an absolute nightmare for the many people who commute that road every day.

Realistically, the S River is a great toll collection point, since it is very hard to get around the toll.  To lower the impact on Cecil, there should be discount plans for residents, or other frequent travelers across the bridge, similar to what Staten Island residents enjoy.

There used to be a toll decal that you could purchase for the cost of a single crossing that allowed unlimited crossings of the Hatem Bridge (I had one in 2005). They did away with that in 2012:

New tolls for I-95, Route 40 bridges to start July 1 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/ph-ag-re-new-tolls-0607-20130605-story.html)

QuoteThe annual cost for the Hatem-only E-ZPass will double to $20 on July 1, the Maryland Transportation Authority announced.

It was initially held at $10 after the MDTA discontinued the longtime decal program for the Hatem bridge last year.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: oscar on May 01, 2015, 02:37:29 PM
Quote from: mrsman on May 01, 2015, 12:14:45 PM
Realistically, the S River is a great toll collection point, since it is very hard to get around the toll.  To lower the impact on Cecil, there should be discount plans for residents, or other frequent travelers across the bridge, similar to what Staten Island residents enjoy.

There is one already, for cars with Maryland E-ZPass transponders. The gripe is that it does no good for local truck traffic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: wphiii on May 01, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
If the I-95 toll plaza is moved to the MD/DE border but the U.S. 40 toll remains at the bridge, it seems like it'd way too easy to come into MD on local roads and then jump on 95, skipping the toll entirely.

Would it make more sense to have the I-95 toll collection somewhere between Exit 109 and Exit 100, which might make shunpiking enough of a hassle that it'd disincentivize people from doing it?

Or am I thinking too deeply into this, and the vast majority of through traffic isn't going to care enough to go out of their way to avoid the toll.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on May 01, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: wphiii on May 01, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
If the I-95 toll plaza is moved to the MD/DE border but the U.S. 40 toll remains at the bridge, it seems like it'd way too easy to come into MD on local roads and then jump on 95, skipping the toll entirely.

Would it make more sense to have the I-95 toll collection somewhere between Exit 109 and Exit 100, which might make shunpiking enough of a hassle that it'd disincentivize people from doing it?

Or am I thinking too deeply into this, and the vast majority of through traffic isn't going to care enough to go out of their way to avoid the toll.
Basically, both toll points would have to be relocated simultaneously, but there are just too many other shunpikes if you relocate them at all. Not that a lot of traffic goes around the I-95 tolls right now, since it's mostly through traffic that doesn't know or care about shunpiking, but there is a bit. But move the US 40 tolls there, and now you're talking about mostly locals, so they will shunpike in droves to MD 281 and other parallel routes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on May 01, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
The demand to move the U.S. 40 toll collection point for the Hatem Bridge to near the Delaware line is one that I had not heard before, and (IMO) will not work so well, since shunpiking onto lower-class roads to the south and north of U.S. 40 will almost certainly be the result.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Elkton,+MD+21921,+USA/@39.6061803,-75.7853838,394m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c7a8bcdcac45db:0x7583e382f656febd

Where would you squeeze the toll point in?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 02, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: ixnay on May 01, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
The demand to move the U.S. 40 toll collection point for the Hatem Bridge to near the Delaware line is one that I had not heard before, and (IMO) will not work so well, since shunpiking onto lower-class roads to the south and north of U.S. 40 will almost certainly be the result.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Elkton,+MD+21921,+USA/@39.6061803,-75.7853838,394m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c7a8bcdcac45db:0x7583e382f656febd

Where would you squeeze the toll point in?

ixnay

Simple. I wouldn't.

And it would probably be illegal under Maryland law anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 06, 2015, 12:04:13 PM
Daily Record: Md. toll reductions subject of hastily scheduled meeting (http://thedailyrecord.com/2015/05/05/md-toll-reductions-subject-of-hastily-scheduled-meeting/)

QuoteState transportation officials are expected to take up proposed reductions of tolls at a hastily scheduled public meeting Thursday morning.

QuoteDetails of the proposal are being kept secret. A notice posted on the Maryland Transportation Authority website Tuesday announced the meeting, scheduled for 8 a.m. at a facility adjacent to the Bay Bridge. An agenda posted online offers no details beyond a statement that the authority, headed by Transportation Sec. Pete K. Rahn, will discuss and "approve"   a proposal to reduce toll rates and fees.

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan, prior to being sworn in, told reporters he planned to take up a review of tolls and institute a possible reduction sometime after the 90-day General Assembly session ended.

QuoteThe proposed reductions could provide Hogan with a way to say he has fulfilled his promise to reduce taxes while avoiding legislative approval of the measure.

QuoteErin Montgomery, a Hogan spokeswoman, referred a reporter to the Maryland Department of Transportation.

QuoteRahn was not immediately available.

MdTA official meeting notice (.pdf): AUTHORITY SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/Meeting_Schedules/Agenda/Special_Meetings/MDTA_Special_Board_Mtg_Agenda_05_07_15.pdf)

Baltimore Sun: With few details public, MdTA board to vote on toll reductions Thursday (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-toll-decrease-20150506-story.html)

QuoteTransportation officials in Maryland are poised to approve a reduction of tolls on state highways, bridges and tunnels this week – though the move has not been discussed publicly and few details were available Wednesday.

QuoteThe board of the Maryland Transportation Authority has scheduled a special meeting Thursday to discuss toll-reduction recommendations drafted recently by MdTA staff at the urging of Gov. Larry Hogan, officials said.

Quote"It's not a secret that Governor Hogan has asked our board to look at toll reductions, and staff has been working since we've gotten that call on recommendations for [the board] to look at," said Cheryl Sparks, a spokeswoman for the MdTA.

QuoteSome state lawmakers criticized the lack of notice and discussion about the move.

Quote"So far, I haven't gotten any details on exactly what this toll decrease would mean," said Sen. Thomas M. Middleton, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. "I'm very concerned."

QuoteMiddleton, a Charles County Democrat, has been a leading proponent of replacing the bridge and sent a letter to Rahn on Wednesday asking for more information about the toll-reduction proposal, saying it appeared "hastily conceived."

QuoteMiddleton wrote that while it "may be politically expedient to reduce tolls," the move could have "unintended consequences" for the Nice bridge project and "would not be fair to the Charles County and Southern Maryland motorists who depend on" the bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2015, 11:22:48 AM
WBAL-TV (Channel 11): MdTA approves toll reductions in Maryland (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/mdta-approves-toll-reductions-in-maryland/32862652)

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority approved on Thursday seven toll reduction packages across the state.

QuoteThe MdTA approved a toll reduction for the Chesapeake Bay Bridge from $6 to $4, Melser reported.

QuoteThe Baltimore E-ZPass discount will change to 25 percent. Melser reported that the MdTA will be removing the $1.50 administration fee for E-ZPass and offer more discounts.

QuoteToll rates for the InterCounty Connector will also decrease. to 22 cents per mile during peak hours, 17 cents per mile during off-peak hours and 7 cents per mile overnight.


Washington Post: Maryland cuts tolls on Bay Bridge, ICC and other roadways (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/hogan-slashes-tolls-in-maryland/2015/05/07/096cd64e-f4d0-11e4-bcc4-e8141e5eb0c9_story.html)

QuoteStarting July 1, motorists will pay less to drive on Maryland bridges and roadways.

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan (R) made the surprise announcement Thursday during a hastily called press conference at the foot of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, where tolls will drop from $6 to $4.

QuoteHogan said the roll back on rates fulfills a campaign promise to reduce the taxes and fees Marylanders pay.

Quote"We are proud to announce what by far is our largest tax relief package to date and marks the first time tolls have been lowered in Maryland in nearly 50 years,"  Hogan said in a prepared statement. "This tax cut will put more than a quarter billion back into the pockets of our beleaguered Maryland taxpayers, and back into our economy."

QuoteThe Twitterverse immediately responded with words of praise, with one person tweeting: "Never thought I'd see the day taxes in Maryland would go down. Thank you."  Added another person: "@Larry Hogan Thanks for lowering toll costs, will be clutch when heading to Ocean City this summer."

QuoteAs part of the package of rate cuts, tolls on the Cheseapeake Bay Bridge will be reduced from $6 to $4 roundtrip. The commuter rate will drop from $2.10 to $1.40. E-ZPass Maryland discount will drop from $5.40 to $2.50 roundtrip.


WTOP Radio: Maryland cuts tolls on Bay Bridge, ICC (http://wtop.com/sprawl-crawl/2015/05/maryland-cuts-tolls-on-bay-bridge-icc/)

QuoteANNAPOLIS, Md. – Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan announced that tolls across the state will drop on July 1, after the Maryland Transportation Authority approved the decreases on Thursday morning.

QuoteThe authority also eliminated the monthly maintenance fee charged to E-ZPass holders.

QuoteHogan says he has heard repeated complaints from Marylanders about the tolls on the state's roads, tunnels and bridges. During his campaign for governor, he pledged to reduce the burden of fees and taxes on the state's businesses and residents.

Quote"This is the first time tolls have been lowered in Maryland in 50 years. Most importantly, we are allowing Maryland families and businesses to keep more of their hard earned money, which helps our struggling economy,"  Hogan says.

QuoteThe state will also eliminate the $1.50 monthly maintenance fee for drivers with a Maryland E-ZPass on July 1.

Quote"These fees were much hated. Instituting those monthly fees was a mistake that cost tens of thousands of people to drop their E-ZPass, to switch their E-ZPass to other states, and it discouraged countless thousands of others from ever signing up for a Maryland E-ZPass. With our actions today, more than 2 million drivers will benefit from this entire plan,"  says Hogan.

QuoteThe measures were not approved unanimously. The vote to drop tolls on the Bay Bridge and other bridges and tunnels across the state passed on an 8-2 vote.

QuoteMaryland Transportation Authority board members Arthur Hock and Michael Whitson voted no.

Quote"If you look at the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and the cost to maintain it and you look at the cost of transporting across it each time, then it is one of the least expensive bridges in the United States. Reducing the tolls on the Bay Bridge, to me, is a greater reduction than should have happened,"  Hock says.

QuoteWhitson was concerned how the toll reductions would impact plans to replace the Harry Nice Bridge in the coming decades. The bridge carries U.S. 301 over the Potomac River connecting Southern Maryland and Virginia.

Quote"This jeopardizes our progress over the last 12 to 14 years. I've been close to this and I'm concerned that this measure will derail the progress on the Nice Bridge. I'm also concerned about not consulting with the lawmakers and the community at large before this vote,"  says Whitson.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on May 07, 2015, 08:59:53 PM
It sounds like the E-ZPass fee will still apply to out-of-state residents who have an account with Maryland?  If not, I might ditch the Hatem Bridge plan and go back to 95 (since I only use it 4-5 times a year and it will save 10 minutes each time).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2015, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on May 07, 2015, 08:59:53 PM
It sounds like the E-ZPass fee will still apply to out-of-state residents who have an account with Maryland?  If not, I might ditch the Hatem Bridge plan and go back to 95 (since I only use it 4-5 times a year and it will save 10 minutes each time).

The MdTA's press release (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/MDTA_News_Releases/governor-hogan-rolls-back-tolls-statewide-saving-marylanders-54-million-a-year) says that they will only eliminate that fee for Maryland residents (a new variant on the theme of "transponder discrimination").

Quote

  • Eliminate the E-ZPass Maryland monthly $1.50 account fee for Maryland residents.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 07, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
I'm split over this move, but not by much. I certainly welcome the decrease in tolls and E-ZPass maintenance fees, because those were quite expensive and certainly had a chilling effect on me when planning leisure trips to the Eastern Shore. However, I am concerned about the MdTA's ability to not only fund major capital projects like the new Nice Bridge, but to also service the massive debt it issued to finance the ICC and the ETLs. The maintenance of the Bay Bridge is also going to be affected by this reduction.

Time will tell if the balance between increased facility use due to lower tolls and increased wear and tear (and thus higher maintenance expenses) from said use can be navigated by the MdTA long enough to reduce the debt load and provide room for its planned projects.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on May 08, 2015, 08:56:08 AM
So nothing reduced for the Susquehanna River crossing outside of Maryland-only EZ Pass? Disappointing but not surprising...

Looks like I will stick with my usual route using Conowingo Dam when going back to Delaware.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 08, 2015, 10:19:56 AM
Other than the per-mile reduction of tolls on the ICC, it appears there are no savings for anyone outside of MD, especially those that utilize 95 which is the main route those from out-of-state drivers use.

As far as the funding reduction, it totals $54 million a year.  Not a whole helluva lot of money in the long run, although any reduction, if not met with funding from other sources, will potentially delay some projects.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on May 11, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Alps on April 29, 2015, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 27, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
Quote"We used this data to validate our request for a 30 to 40-percent reduction in tolls for multi-axle vehicles, and also for the toll facilities to be relocated to the Maryland/Delaware state line,"  Moore said.
Wait wait wait, what was that last part? Just sorta thrown in there?

Good question!

For many years, Cecil County politicians have been demanding that MdTA move its toll collection point on I-95 to the Delaware state line (difficult to do if cash toll collection is to continue because there is not much room between Md. 279 (Exit 109) and the border, and the Amtrak N.E. Corridor passes under I-95 on the Maryland side of the line).

Delaware politely said that their state laws do not allow them to collect tolls for an out-of-state entity on I-95 (this was suggested by those same Cecil County elected officials), and MdTA funded  a study by engineering consultants RK&K which concluded that the toll plaza should stay where it is at Perryville (unfortunately, the study is no longer online).

The demand to move the U.S. 40 toll collection point for the Hatem Bridge to near the Delaware line is one that I had not heard before, and (IMO) will not work so well, since shunpiking onto lower-class roads to the south and north of U.S. 40 will almost certainly be the result.
Won't the Feds have an issue with placing tolls at borders that weren't already grandfathered in (like I-95 in DE) nor at water crossings?

To me, this inituative (tolling at borders) would be DOA from the get-go.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 11, 2015, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 11, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
Won't the Feds have an issue with placing tolls at borders that weren't already grandfathered in (like I-95 in DE) nor at water crossings?

To me, this inituative (tolling at borders) would be DOA from the get-go.

I do not think the feds would have any say-so in this instance.

Maryland built what is now known as the JFK Highway (formerly Northeast Expressway) between Exit 67 (Md. 43 at White Marsh) and beyond Exit 109 (Md. 279 at Elkton) to the Delaware line with no federal dollars (toll revenue bonds were used to build it, and all maintenance has been state-funded since it opened).  In other words, not one dime of federal funding, which means no federal oversight on tolls and toll policies on this part of JFK Highway.

But it's also interesting to note that the only interchange along the JFK Highway in Maryland that never had ramp tolls was the one at Md. 279 (Exit 109 now).

In theory, I think MdTA could put a toll barrier between Md. 279 and the Delaware line, though it would not be very easy in practical terms, because of Amtrak's Northeast Corridor and because the freeway curves there. 

I doubt the Maryland General Assembly or the trustee for the bondholders would be enthused, since such an arrangement would encourage even more shunpiking, of the Delaware and (relocated) Maryland tolls.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 11, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
Baltimore Sun editorial: What price for lower tolls? (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-tolls-20150507-story.html)

QuoteWhatever one might have thought about the Maryland Transportation Authority's decision to raise tolls four years ago, no one can say the two-phase proposal wasn't scrutinized from all angles or that the public wasn't given sufficient opportunity to ask questions or make comment. The same can't be said for the agency's decision to roll them back – in some cases below what they were before the last price increase.

QuoteThat secrecy and abrupt decision-making should give Marylanders pause about what's going on at the agency that owns and manages some of the state's most important – and costly – transportation infrastructure, including Baltimore's harbor crossings, the Bay Bridge, the John F. Kennedy Highway and the Intercounty Connector. No details were made available to the public on Wednesday, but lo and behold, the MdTA board delivered the elaborate toll reduction plan, sign, sealed and delivered by Thursday morning.

QuoteFour years ago, MdTA officials pleaded for the toll increases and made the case that the agency wouldn't be able to meet its bond payments without them. It was strong medicine, particularly given the subsequent decision to raise the state's gas tax. But it was seen as fiscally responsible, especially given the massive borrowing required to build the ICC, a project greenlighted years earlier by then-Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. And whatever negative effects the higher tolls might have caused, they weren't obvious – MdTA revenue turned out higher than projected.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 12, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
Times-News.com:  Governor to sign highway speed limit bill (http://www.times-news.com/news/governor-to-sign-highway-speed-limit-bill/article_1c1bf434-f816-11e4-a830-63b016138698.html)

QuoteCUMBERLAND – It took three years, but a bill which could allow drivers to cruise a bit faster on the long stretches of Interstate 68 in Western Maryland and other highways in the state has moved into the fast lane. The bill would allow an increase of the speed limit to 70 mph on state highways.

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan plans to sign Senate Bill 44 into law Tuesday, according to information provided by his office.

Quote"It's something the state needs to look at. ... I'm glad we got it passed and that the governor is going to sign it,"  said Sen. George Edwards. There is no required timeframe in the bill for a change in the speed limit, Edwards said, but state highways officials have taken a preliminary look at the idea and will now have the legal ability to move forward.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: storm2k on May 14, 2015, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 11, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
Baltimore Sun editorial: What price for lower tolls? (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-tolls-20150507-story.html)

QuoteWhatever one might have thought about the Maryland Transportation Authority's decision to raise tolls four years ago, no one can say the two-phase proposal wasn't scrutinized from all angles or that the public wasn't given sufficient opportunity to ask questions or make comment. The same can't be said for the agency's decision to roll them back – in some cases below what they were before the last price increase.

QuoteThat secrecy and abrupt decision-making should give Marylanders pause about what's going on at the agency that owns and manages some of the state's most important – and costly – transportation infrastructure, including Baltimore's harbor crossings, the Bay Bridge, the John F. Kennedy Highway and the Intercounty Connector. No details were made available to the public on Wednesday, but lo and behold, the MdTA board delivered the elaborate toll reduction plan, sign, sealed and delivered by Thursday morning.

QuoteFour years ago, MdTA officials pleaded for the toll increases and made the case that the agency wouldn't be able to meet its bond payments without them. It was strong medicine, particularly given the subsequent decision to raise the state's gas tax. But it was seen as fiscally responsible, especially given the massive borrowing required to build the ICC, a project greenlighted years earlier by then-Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. And whatever negative effects the higher tolls might have caused, they weren't obvious – MdTA revenue turned out higher than projected.

I'm not from the area and only drive through there on occasion, but this really does smack of political pandering on the part of the new governor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on May 15, 2015, 08:37:15 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 07, 2015, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on May 07, 2015, 08:59:53 PM
It sounds like the E-ZPass fee will still apply to out-of-state residents who have an account with Maryland?  If not, I might ditch the Hatem Bridge plan and go back to 95 (since I only use it 4-5 times a year and it will save 10 minutes each time).

The MdTA's press release (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/MDTA_News_Releases/governor-hogan-rolls-back-tolls-statewide-saving-marylanders-54-million-a-year) says that they will only eliminate that fee for Maryland residents (a new variant on the theme of "transponder discrimination").

Quote

  • Eliminate the E-ZPass Maryland monthly $1.50 account fee for Maryland residents.

Looks like the constitutionality debate has begun

QuoteBryan Sears of the Daily Record reports that a recently approved proposal to eliminate monthly charges for in-state commuters using E-ZPass may run afoul of the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution. Last week, state transportation officials voted to eliminate a $1.50 per month charge for  675,000 state residents with Maryland E-ZPass accounts while leaving the charge for out-of-state residents who have state accounts unless they use a Maryland toll road or bridge at least three times a month.

http://marylandreporter.com/2015/05/15/state-roundup-may-15-2015/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on May 15, 2015, 06:51:29 PM
I do hope that one person in every vehicle that crosses the Bay Bridge after July 1 will either buy an extra half beer or small Thrasher's fries because of the enormous savings in the cost of their eastward trip. And if they're staying in Delaware, they still have to go spend an extra $2 in Ocean City.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 23, 2015, 09:29:02 PM
Now that Governor Hogan has signed the bill authorizing speeds of 70mph after the completion of a traffic study, where on the SHA website would the public find out when those studies are scheduled to begin? The media reported that these studies cost up to $350K so I doubt the SHA does them on short notice.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on May 23, 2015, 09:29:02 PM
Now that Governor Hogan has signed the bill authorizing speeds of 70mph after the completion of a traffic study, where on the SHA website would the public find out when those studies are scheduled to begin? The media reported that these studies cost up to $350K so I doubt the SHA does them on short notice.

Nothing on the SHA Web site about 70 MPH (just checked the entire site with Google), except a new provision for 70 MPH guardrail end treatments (dated April 2015, before the new 70 MPH maximum speed limit was signed into law).

Maryland laws usually take effect at the end of June or the end of September following the General Assembly session in which it was approved.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 23, 2015, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on May 23, 2015, 09:29:02 PM
Now that Governor Hogan has signed the bill authorizing speeds of 70mph after the completion of a traffic study, where on the SHA website would the public find out when those studies are scheduled to begin? The media reported that these studies cost up to $350K so I doubt the SHA does them on short notice.

Nothing on the SHA Web site about 70 MPH (just checked the entire site with Google), except a new provision for 70 MPH guardrail end treatments (dated April 2015, before the new 70 MPH maximum speed limit was signed into law).

Maryland laws usually take effect at the end of June or the end of September following the General Assembly session in which it was approved.

I actually found and read a copy of Senate Bill 44 but I don't recall reading anything stating when the law would go into effect once signed.

If I can't find anything I might contact the SHA and ask them when and where they expect to begin the traffic studies.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 23, 2015, 10:33:48 PM
I believe the law allows 70-mph limits beginning on October 1.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on May 25, 2015, 02:45:28 AM
hello yall! Over the progress of about four whole years  :wow: my family has nearly clinched I-70, and clinched I-81. Only the portion east of Exit 91 is not clinched. Other clinches include I-695 from exit 10 to exit 17 (heading towards MD 10), I-795 and I-895, I-95 from south of exit 43, and the Capital Beltway portion (west of exit 38), and north of exit 55. I-295 hasn't been clinched yet. I-495 has not been clinched from exit 38 to exit 2. I-83 hasn't been clinched yet too, and I-97! My family is nearly done with every mile of interstate highway in Maryland. Now let's see if I can handle five years and pass a driving test. or when the West Coast gets submerged in water
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 25, 2015, 05:16:36 PM
The former direct turnoffs to Gates Lane and Old Columbia Road from northbound US 29 in Columbia have been closed and blocked. This leaves only the service access to a local neighborhood from northbound US 29 between MD 175 and MD 108 as the only remaining direct turnoff north of Old Columbia Road in Howard County.

It will be interesting to see if the next HLR for Howard County lists that segment of US 29 as fully access controlled; right now the only segment that is fully access controlled is the segment north of MD 108, with the highway south of there being partially access controlled.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 23, 2015, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Alex on May 01, 2015, 02:26:06 PM
QuoteThe annual cost for the Hatem-only E-ZPass will double to $20 on July 1, the Maryland Transportation Authority announced.
Wait a minute; They actually have those? So does that mean you can buy an E-Z Pass system in one region, and it won't be valid in another?


:confused: :-o :banghead:

Just keep giving me more reasons to stick to cash tolls, Feds.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 23, 2015, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 23, 2015, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Alex on May 01, 2015, 02:26:06 PM
QuoteThe annual cost for the Hatem-only E-ZPass will double to $20 on July 1, the Maryland Transportation Authority announced.
Wait a minute; They actually have those? So does that mean you can buy an E-Z Pass system in one region, and it won't be valid in another?


:confused: :-o :banghead:

Just keep giving me more reasons to stick to cash tolls, Feds.

Cash tolls are going to go away, in Maryland and probably in every other state.  The Pennsylvania Turnpike is well on its way to eliminating cash toll collection on its entire network, and of course Maryland has all-electronic tolling on the I-95 Express Toll Lanes as well as on Md. 200 (ICC).  Get used to it.

Nothing stops you from getting a Hatem Bridge transponder from MdTA if you want one.  But the intended market is obviously residents of Cecil and Harford Counties that have a need to cross the lower Susquehanna River frequently, and would like to avoid the steep toll ($8 from the Havre de Grace side in Harford County to Perryville in Cecil County on U.S. 40 and I-95). 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 15, 2015, 01:42:22 AM
WTOP Radio: Emergency bridge repairs to close lanes on Outer Loop (http://wtop.com/sprawl-crawl/2015/07/emergency-bridge-repairs-to-close-lanes-on-outer-loop/)

QuoteBeginning this Thursday evening, emergency bridge work on the Capital Beltway outer loop at Connecticut Avenue could mean up to three lanes being closed.

Quote"The bridge repairs involve deck work, or the driving surface,"  says Maryland State Highway Administration spokesman Charlie Gischlar.

Quote"Residents and travelers are advised that the construction equipment that's going to be used is loud and disruptive,"  he adds. "SHA asks for your patience as crews work to complete the project."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 17, 2015, 08:57:04 PM
Though I will most likely not be able to run this race in 2015.  I think I am gonna try for it in 2016.

10k Run/Walkover the Chesapeake Bay Bridge on November 8th, 2015.

http://bridgerace.com/

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 19, 2015, 04:18:17 PM
Baltimore Sun: Hogan shifts money to roads, but not everyone's a winner (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-hogan-highways-20150718-story.html)

QuoteWhen Gov. Larry Hogan pulled the plug on Baltimore's Red Line last month, he rolled out $2 billion in spending on road projects, giving the state's toll-free highway system its largest infusion of cash in decades.

QuoteIn shifting Maryland's transportation priorities from transit projects to roads, the Republican made clear that as long as he is governor, asphalt will flow freely.

QuoteBut not necessarily evenly.

QuoteThe list of major new projects that Hogan funded includes big-ticket highway improvements for rural Maryland, from Garrett County in the west to the Eastern Shore. There are projects costing $100 million or more in Prince George's, Montgomery and Frederick counties.

QuoteIn Baltimore City? Nothing.

QuoteIn Baltimore County? Less than 1 percent of spending for new projects.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 19, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on July 17, 2015, 08:57:04 PM
Though I will most likely not be able to run this race in 2015.  I think I am gonna try for it in 2016.

10k Run/Walkover the Chesapeake Bay Bridge on November 8th, 2015.

http://bridgerace.com/


Wish they would just restore the Bay Bridge Walk.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 20, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
Why what's wrong with having it as a 10k?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 20, 2015, 11:30:49 PM
Given precedent elsewhere, I see no reason why they couldn't do both a run and walk.  I've seen plenty of folks at 5K's and 10K's who were walking instead of jogging/running (including myself at the last 5K I did in the area...stupid injury)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 21, 2015, 09:31:46 AM
I don't see where it says no walking.  In fact it says that it is a run/walk.  Says a run/walk for individuals 10 and older and a kids fun run for those 12 and younger. 

There are going to be people walking they just incorporate everything into the race. It's the same as they do in Charleston with the 10k over the Ravenel Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 21, 2015, 01:18:15 PM
Baltimore Sun: Hogan's top-10 funded road projects in Maryland (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-gov-larry-hogans-top10-funded-road-projects-in-maryland-20150719-story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 21, 2015, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 21, 2015, 01:18:15 PM
Baltimore Sun: Hogan's top-10 funded road projects in Maryland (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-gov-larry-hogans-top10-funded-road-projects-in-maryland-20150719-story.html)

9: Anne Arundel: $25 million to reconfigure lanes on Severn River bridge on U.S. 50.

I wonder what exactly that will entail.  There isn't really any space to convert shoulders, cause there are barely any:
https://goo.gl/maps/RBlfC (https://goo.gl/maps/RBlfC)

Unless they actually widen the bridge, I can't see how you could reconfigure anything on that bridge without reducing a direction to just 2 lanes - which sounds kind of ridiculous to me.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on July 21, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 21, 2015, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 21, 2015, 01:18:15 PM
Baltimore Sun: Hogan's top-10 funded road projects in Maryland (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-gov-larry-hogans-top10-funded-road-projects-in-maryland-20150719-story.html)

9: Anne Arundel: $25 million to reconfigure lanes on Severn River bridge on U.S. 50.
I wonder what exactly that will entail.  There isn't really any space to convert shoulders, cause there are barely any:
https://goo.gl/maps/RBlfC (https://goo.gl/maps/RBlfC)

Unless they actually widen the bridge, I can't see how you could reconfigure anything on that bridge without reducing a direction to just 2 lanes - which sounds kind of ridiculous to me.
I had the same question but the project page has details:
QuoteConceptual Alternatives have been developed to include:
- Reversible lanes with a movable barrier system
- Lane speed control with variable speed limits per section
- Ramp metering with improved signal timing
- CD lane system
- Potential for a new bridge
Given the money amount for the project a new bridge is obviously not in play now. 
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=AA221112
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 21, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
I am very pleased to see that reconstruction of MD 404 made the top of the list. There is ongoing construction on MD 404 right now west of Denton but the rest of the road needs to be reconstructed soonest.

The MD 175/MD 295 interchange needs to be a SPUI already; it will be interesting to see if a SPUI is one of the alternatives.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 21, 2015, 11:37:10 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 21, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
The MD 175/MD 295 interchange needs to be a SPUI already; it will be interesting to see if a SPUI is one of the alternatives.

Even though the transition between SHA maintenance and NPS maintenance is south of this interchange, I suspect that (at least) NPS concurrence might be required anyway.

That likely takes some time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 22, 2015, 07:44:13 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEAI am very pleased to see that reconstruction of MD 404 made the top of the list.

A "nice to have", but IMO the bigger bottleneck and where they should've put the money instead is building an interchange at 50/404.  THAT'S where the main slowdown is, not on the 2-lane segment to the east...

QuoteThe MD 175/MD 295 interchange needs to be a SPUI already; it will be interesting to see if a SPUI is one of the alternatives.

According to SHA and the project website (http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectMaps.aspx?projectno=AA436212#), the plan is to remove the northeast and southwest loops and convert it into a 6-ramp Parclo A4.  175 would be widened to a 4-lane divided roadway through the interchange.

Quote from: cpzillacusI suspect that (at least) NPS concurrence might be required anyway.

As long as they don't go past the transition zone, no.  The Arundel Mills ramps and 6-laning north of 195 didn't require NPS concurrence...this shouldn't be any different, again as long as they don't cross the transition zone.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on July 22, 2015, 09:02:52 AM
Quote from: BrianP on July 21, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 21, 2015, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 21, 2015, 01:18:15 PM
Baltimore Sun: Hogan's top-10 funded road projects in Maryland (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-gov-larry-hogans-top10-funded-road-projects-in-maryland-20150719-story.html)

9: Anne Arundel: $25 million to reconfigure lanes on Severn River bridge on U.S. 50.
I wonder what exactly that will entail.  There isn't really any space to convert shoulders, cause there are barely any:
https://goo.gl/maps/RBlfC (https://goo.gl/maps/RBlfC)

Unless they actually widen the bridge, I can't see how you could reconfigure anything on that bridge without reducing a direction to just 2 lanes - which sounds kind of ridiculous to me.
I had the same question but the project page has details:
QuoteConceptual Alternatives have been developed to include:
- Reversible lanes with a movable barrier system
- Lane speed control with variable speed limits per section
- Ramp metering with improved signal timing
- CD lane system
- Potential for a new bridge
Given the money amount for the project a new bridge is obviously not in play now. 
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=AA221112
That should really be the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, even though it got twinned in the 70s, it needs another set of lanes, some shoulders, and some other great stuff. I don't really know how this fixes traffic through Annapolis, as you can take MD 450 to the south.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 22, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 22, 2015, 09:02:52 AM
That should really be the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, even though it got twinned in the 70s, it needs another set of lanes, some shoulders, and some other great stuff.

Improvements at the Bay Bridge crossing (what you describe above can only be achieved with an entirely new bridge span) would almost certainly be toll-financed by the Maryland Transportation Authority, not from the state Transportation Trust Fund.

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 22, 2015, 09:02:52 AM
I don't really know how this fixes traffic through Annapolis, as you can take MD 450 to the south.

Md. 450 through Annapolis is mostly a narrow two-lane undivided arterial. 

It cannot come close to handling the traffic that U.S. 50 does.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 22, 2015, 04:30:58 PM
Long term if the Bay Bridge gets another span, they'll have to do something at the Severn and likely Kent Narrows.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 22, 2015, 10:20:47 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 22, 2015, 04:30:58 PM
Long term if the Bay Bridge gets another span, they'll have to do something at the Severn and likely Kent Narrows.

Keep in mind that a lot of the traffic crossing the WPL (Bay Bridge) does not need to go further east than Kent Island, so there may not be as much of a need to widen the Kent Narrows Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 23, 2015, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 22, 2015, 10:20:47 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 22, 2015, 04:30:58 PM
Long term if the Bay Bridge gets another span, they'll have to do something at the Severn and likely Kent Narrows.

Keep in mind that a lot of the traffic crossing the WPL (Bay Bridge) does not need to go further east than Kent Island, so there may not be as much of a need to widen the Kent Narrows Bridge.


It seems the 2 major problems, other than a missing lane of capacity in whichever direction they decide, is the lack of shoulder space, and the 2-Way traffic when the lanes are set up that way.

If they'd build a span with 3 lanes and full shoulders, and dedicate it to one direction of travel and then reduced the existing spans by a lane, using that space for shoulders, dedicated to the other direction (still with lane controls for extreme situations, just-in-case).   The 3x3 (3 x 2 +1) lanes would match the road on either side, and with drivers not feeling so boxed in, I think most of the time that would work out well.

Of course, without the $$$, it doesn't really matter anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 23, 2015, 07:06:12 PM
They'd likely do a 3-2-3 setup anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 23, 2015, 07:59:45 PM
A 3-2-3 setup would require two new bridges rather than just one if shoulders are desired.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2015, 05:03:50 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 23, 2015, 07:59:45 PM
A 3-2-3 setup would require two new bridges rather than just one if shoulders are desired.

Ex-Gov. Martin O'Malley was quoted as saying he was in favor of a ferry instead of a new bridge over the Bay.  Not sure if he was required to submit to a drug test after making that statement or not.

Getting back to your comment above, any new capacity over the Bay will likely be one structure, I suspect parallel to the existing two bridges, though from a network redundancy perspective a new bridge-tunnel crossing further south, from Calvert County to Dorchester County would be better, but much more expensive, since a lot of upgrading to Md. 4 on the Western Shore side, and an entirely new highway to Cambridge would be needed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
The 2014 Highway Location Reference is out.

You can see them HLRs for each county here (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/hlr.aspx?PageId=832).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on July 31, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
The 2014 Highway Location Reference is out.

You can see them HLRs for each county here (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/hlr.aspx?PageId=832).
Only two noteworthy changes, a route death and a birth:
QuoteMD 351, Ballenger Creek Pike — All remaining sections of MD 351 have been transferred to
Frederick County, having met all transfer conditions, and are now part of CO 294. 
Conveyance dated 3/26/2015

MD 206, Konterra Dr — Newly assigned route, constructed under PG4195172; this is the State-
     built section of the road, the remainder to the east and west of the new interchange 
     at IS 95 has been designated as OP 5600.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2015, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: BrianP on July 31, 2015, 05:32:00 PM

Quote
MD 206, Konterra Dr — Newly assigned route, constructed under PG4195172; this is the State-
     built section of the road, the remainder to the east and west of the new interchange 
     at IS 95 has been designated as OP 5600.

SHA has done this in at least a few other places in recent times (though a county-maintained road having an interchange with a freeway is not that common in Maryland):

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 01, 2015, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: BrianP on July 31, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
The 2014 Highway Location Reference is out.

You can see them HLRs for each county here (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/hlr.aspx?PageId=832).
Only two noteworthy changes, a route death and a birth:
QuoteMD 351, Ballenger Creek Pike — All remaining sections of MD 351 have been transferred to
Frederick County, having met all transfer conditions, and are now part of CO 294. 
Conveyance dated 3/26/2015

MD 206, Konterra Dr — Newly assigned route, constructed under PG4195172; this is the State-
     built section of the road, the remainder to the east and west of the new interchange 
     at IS 95 has been designated as OP 5600.

Is this the first state highway in Maryland that has been partially, then fully decommissioned after its number was changed? It used to be MD 78 before it was changed to MD 351.

Also, is it possible that any sign blade totems that are (re)installed on Konterra Drive at I-95 will be the style that includes the route number on the end of the blade? I will also be interested to see if the BEGIN/END STATE MAINTENANCE signs make an appearance, as the SHA is very inconsistent about the posting of those signs for the minor and unsigned routes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on August 02, 2015, 10:30:01 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 01, 2015, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: BrianP on July 31, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
The 2014 Highway Location Reference is out.

You can see them HLRs for each county here (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/hlr.aspx?PageId=832).
Only two noteworthy changes, a route death and a birth:
QuoteMD 351, Ballenger Creek Pike — All remaining sections of MD 351 have been transferred to
Frederick County, having met all transfer conditions, and are now part of CO 294. 
Conveyance dated 3/26/2015

MD 206, Konterra Dr — Newly assigned route, constructed under PG4195172; this is the State-
     built section of the road, the remainder to the east and west of the new interchange 
     at IS 95 has been designated as OP 5600.

Is this the first state highway in Maryland that has been partially, then fully decommissioned after its number was changed? It used to be MD 78 before it was changed to MD 351.


As I remember (living about a mile from the big U where MD-180 becomes (became) MD 351)  I remember MD 351 being numbered MD-180 in the late 80s.  So you had the same numbered road to both the south and North of US-340.  I always thought it was strange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on August 13, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Driving around Baltimore lately (pics to come on my Flickr page) but I've noticed, how many signs do they replace a year?  Any? I think of NYC which seems to have new signs every week and Baltimore where nothing's been changed in years unless it's a state owned sign.

Also, getting on I-695 WB from I-95 SB, I see work on what would be the cancelled express lanes.  What are they doing there?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 13, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on August 13, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Driving around Baltimore lately (pics to come on my Flickr page) but I've noticed, how many signs do they replace a year?  Any? I think of NYC which seems to have new signs every week and Baltimore where nothing's been changed in years unless it's a state owned sign.

Also, getting on I-695 WB from I-95 SB, I see work on what would be the cancelled express lanes.  What are they doing there?

If you mean the Express Toll Lanes in the median of I-95, those were rather definitely not cancelled.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on August 14, 2015, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 13, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on August 13, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Driving around Baltimore lately (pics to come on my Flickr page) but I've noticed, how many signs do they replace a year?  Any? I think of NYC which seems to have new signs every week and Baltimore where nothing's been changed in years unless it's a state owned sign.

Also, getting on I-695 WB from I-95 SB, I see work on what would be the cancelled express lanes.  What are they doing there?

If you mean the Express Toll Lanes in the median of I-95, those were rather definitely not cancelled.
I'll piggyback - why are there ramps from the ETLs to MD 43? Just after the lanes start. Is it for future extension? Why build them now instead of later? Better off spending the money at 695.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 14, 2015, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 14, 2015, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 13, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on August 13, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Driving around Baltimore lately (pics to come on my Flickr page) but I've noticed, how many signs do they replace a year?  Any? I think of NYC which seems to have new signs every week and Baltimore where nothing's been changed in years unless it's a state owned sign.

Also, getting on I-695 WB from I-95 SB, I see work on what would be the cancelled express lanes.  What are they doing there?

If you mean the Express Toll Lanes in the median of I-95, those were rather definitely not cancelled.
I'll piggyback - why are there ramps from the ETLs to MD 43? Just after the lanes start. Is it for future extension? Why build them now instead of later? Better off spending the money at 695.

I have seen presentations by MdTA that envision ETLs far beyond (or north and east of) Md. 43.  The section that was built and opened to traffic is Section 100.  There are recommendations for Section 200 (though they are about 10 years old) here (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/I95section200/Documents/FONSI-Chapter_2_Summary_of_Actions_and_Recommendations.pdf) (.pdf).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on August 14, 2015, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 14, 2015, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 14, 2015, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 13, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on August 13, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Driving around Baltimore lately (pics to come on my Flickr page) but I've noticed, how many signs do they replace a year?  Any? I think of NYC which seems to have new signs every week and Baltimore where nothing's been changed in years unless it's a state owned sign.

Also, getting on I-695 WB from I-95 SB, I see work on what would be the cancelled express lanes.  What are they doing there?

If you mean the Express Toll Lanes in the median of I-95, those were rather definitely not cancelled.
I'll piggyback - why are there ramps from the ETLs to MD 43? Just after the lanes start. Is it for future extension? Why build them now instead of later? Better off spending the money at 695.

I have seen presentations by MdTA that envision ETLs far beyond (or north and east of) Md. 43.  The section that was built and opened to traffic is Section 100.  There are recommendations for Section 200 (though they are about 10 years old) here (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/I95section200/Documents/FONSI-Chapter_2_Summary_of_Actions_and_Recommendations.pdf) (.pdf).
I don't have any knowledge on it, but I always imagined they would continue them to the state line.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on August 14, 2015, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on August 13, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Also, getting on I-695 WB from I-95 SB, I see work on what would be the cancelled express lanes.  What are they doing there?
Remnants of I-95's original braided configuration are still visible on the ground. Odd that only the new outer loop to SB I-95 ramp seems to have a visible stub for future tie into the Express Lanes. Current SB traffic headed for 695 isn't really going to benefit from the new lanes for just 1 exit. However, NB ETL traffic would definitely benefit from direct 695 ramps.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on August 15, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
For those unfamiliar with the original proposal, this is how the I-95/I-695 interchange was supposed to look prior to the ETL ramps being deferred indefinitely:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy38%2FMikeyworks%2FMiscForums%2FI-95_I-695Rendering.jpg&hash=73c6a6fafbb179784e312492afd4ed5d3c57d5bf)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 20, 2015, 09:35:29 AM
SHA has begun an interchange at US 15 and Monocacy Blvd (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/Pages/release.aspx?newsId=2327) near Frederick.  It'll be a standard diamond along US 15, tie into Christophers Crossing to the west, and remove the partial intersection on US 15 at Hayward Rd.  This'll have the net effect of extending the US 15 freeway section through Frederick for about a mile further north.

The scheduled completion is Spring 2018.

The press release notes that speed cameras will be in use through the workzone, with a 50 MPH limit southbound and a 55 MPH limit northbound (not sure why there's a difference).  Per state law, the cameras won't actually generate tickets unless you're going at least 12 over the limit.  Enforcement begins in early September with a 3 week warning period before actual citations begin on 9/29.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on August 20, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 20, 2015, 09:35:29 AM
SHA has begun an interchange at US 15 and Monocacy Blvd (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/Pages/release.aspx?newsId=2327) near Frederick.  It'll be a standard diamond along US 15, tie into Christophers Crossing to the west, and remove the partial intersection on US 15 at Hayward Rd.  This'll have the net effect of extending the US 15 freeway section through Frederick for about a mile further north.

The scheduled completion is Spring 2018.

The press release notes that speed cameras will be in use through the workzone, with a 50 MPH limit southbound and a 55 MPH limit northbound (not sure why there's a difference).  Per state law, the cameras won't actually generate tickets unless you're going at least 12 over the limit.  Enforcement begins in early September with a 3 week warning period before actual citations begin on 9/29.


Glad to see them start that.  The crossover at Hayward Rd has been a problem for years.  The continuing problem with speeding through that stretch (and the periodic major accidents at Hayward Rd) is the reason for the higher intensity speed enforcement (and I wish they would crack down more)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 28, 2015, 04:09:52 PM
Washington Post: New leaders appointed for two Maryland transportation agencies (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/08/27/new-leaders-appointed-for-two-maryland-transportation-agencies/)

QuoteMaryland has new leaders for the state's vehicle and driver's licensing agency and the transportation authority, which operates the Intercounty Connector and other toll facilities, Gov. Larry Hogan's office said Thursday.

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority board voted Thursday to appoint Milton Chaffee as the authority's new executive director. Chaffee has been administrator of the state's Motor Vehicle Administration since February 2014 and has worked at the agency for 13 years. As head of the transportation authority, he'll oversee operations of the state's toll roads and bridges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 18, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
Maryland State Highway Administration photographer retires from state service - after 66 (!) years on the job!

SHA News Release: GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN PAYS TRIBUTE TO RETIRING MDOT PHOTOGRAPHER, TIMOTHY HYMAN (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2355)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on September 19, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 18, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
Maryland State Highway Administration photographer retires from state service - after 66 (!) years on the job!

SHA News Release: GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN PAYS TRIBUTE TO RETIRING MDOT PHOTOGRAPHER, TIMOTHY HYMAN (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2355)



He must have really loved photography to delay his retirement for so long.  We have a couple of employees at NYSDOT that have stuck around for about six decades.  They're just sitting there doing office work, though.

I can't see myself doing that, even though I enjoy my job -- I consider myself one of the minority that actually got a job in a true area of interest.  Still, there's so much more to life than sitting in an office.  Can't help but wonder with a few of these guys if they stay in the office out of an actual fear of the unstructured freedom of retirement.  I find that sad.

Makes me think of The Shawshank Redemption and that quote about walls: "These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 19, 2015, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 19, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 18, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
Maryland State Highway Administration photographer retires from state service - after 66 (!) years on the job!

SHA News Release: GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN PAYS TRIBUTE TO RETIRING MDOT PHOTOGRAPHER, TIMOTHY HYMAN (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2355)



He must have really loved photography to delay his retirement for so long.  We have a couple of employees at NYSDOT that have stuck around for about six decades.  They're just sitting there doing office work, though.

Earle "Jock" Freedman, the chief bridge engineer of the Maryland Department of Transportation's State Highway Administration has been on the job for a similarly long time.  Here (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-10-31/features/bs-md-bridge-engineer-20101026_1_maryland-bridge-ugly-bridge-freedman) is a 2010 article about him.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on September 19, 2015, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 19, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 18, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
Maryland State Highway Administration photographer retires from state service - after 66 (!) years on the job!

SHA News Release: GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN PAYS TRIBUTE TO RETIRING MDOT PHOTOGRAPHER, TIMOTHY HYMAN (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2355)



He must have really loved photography to delay his retirement for so long.  We have a couple of employees at NYSDOT that have stuck around for about six decades.  They're just sitting there doing office work, though.

I can't see myself doing that, even though I enjoy my job -- I consider myself one of the minority that actually got a job in a true area of interest.  Still, there's so much more to life than sitting in an office.  Can't help but wonder with a few of these guys if they stay in the office out of an actual fear of the unstructured freedom of retirement.  I find that sad.

Makes me think of The Shawshank Redemption and that quote about walls: "These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them."
I went out a few times to inventory rail crossings with one of them.  He'll have 60 years of service in October and heading out with him is like going out with one's grandfather.  He started at the New York State Department of Public Works (the precursor to NYSDOT; also, back then they called the regions "districts") before my boss was even born.  And yes, some people stay that long because they don't know what they'd do without work.  Some also stay that long to keep their ex-wives from getting a cut of their pension.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on September 19, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 19, 2015, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 19, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 18, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
Maryland State Highway Administration photographer retires from state service - after 66 (!) years on the job!

SHA News Release: GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN PAYS TRIBUTE TO RETIRING MDOT PHOTOGRAPHER, TIMOTHY HYMAN (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2355)



He must have really loved photography to delay his retirement for so long.  We have a couple of employees at NYSDOT that have stuck around for about six decades.  They're just sitting there doing office work, though.

I can't see myself doing that, even though I enjoy my job -- I consider myself one of the minority that actually got a job in a true area of interest.  Still, there's so much more to life than sitting in an office.  Can't help but wonder with a few of these guys if they stay in the office out of an actual fear of the unstructured freedom of retirement.  I find that sad.

Makes me think of The Shawshank Redemption and that quote about walls: "These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them."
I went out a few times to inventory rail crossings with one of them.  He'll have 60 years of service in October and heading out with him is like going out with one's grandfather.  He started at the New York State Department of Public Works (the precursor to NYSDOT; also, back then they called the regions "districts") before my boss was even born.  And yes, some people stay that long because they don't know what they'd do without work.  Some also stay that long to keep their ex-wives from getting a cut of their pension.

HA!  That guy's who's staying because of his ex-wife is legendary.  You do have to wonder if there are other reasons at play there, though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on September 20, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
The pension boards love people like him. Work and pay into the system forever, collect for a year tops, and drop dead.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 20, 2015, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on September 20, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
The pension boards love people like him. Work and pay into the system forever, collect for a year tops, and drop dead.

A colleague and friend of mine worked for only 30 years, was in our defined-benefit plan for a year and died - young - in his early 60's.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on September 20, 2015, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on September 20, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
The pension boards love people like him. Work and pay into the system forever, collect for a year tops, and drop dead.
The pension boards, maybe (the guy I mentioned would actually make more money retired than working, though he claims he tried retirement and it only lasted a weekend before he got bored).  Keep in mind that spouses get pensions too, depending on the plan selected.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on September 20, 2015, 11:09:23 PM
That's the thing, its silly to stay when it actually costs you money (hint, find another job). Survivor benefits are generally 50% of the benefit, but if you die before you collect, you usually get 0%.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on September 21, 2015, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on September 20, 2015, 11:09:23 PM
That's the thing, its silly to stay when it actually costs you money (hint, find another job). Survivor benefits are generally 50% of the benefit, but if you die before you collect, you usually get 0%.

This is where it becomes head-scratching and depressing that people can't find anything more rewarding outside of working for someone else.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 21, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
The Baltimore City DOT has posted a TO I-295 shield pairing on Greene Street, between Lombard and Pratt Streets. It look like a very new shield pairing too.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on September 22, 2015, 12:55:15 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 21, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
The Baltimore City DOT has posted a TO I-295 shield pairing on Greene Street, between Lombard and Pratt Streets. It look like a very new shield pairing too.
That's a long way from I-295 to post it :bigass:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 01, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Washington Post: Snooping for trouble with a bridge inspector (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/10/01/snooping-for-trouble-with-a-bridge-inspector/)

QuoteThe bridge that takes Alternate Route 1 over the Northeast Branch of the Anacostia River isn't particularly high, or long, or attractive. But it's got a terrific health plan.

QuoteEvery two years, the Maryland State Highway Administration sends out a crew to give it a top to bottom physical. The road surface, which carries about 15,000 vehicles daily, is examined for wear and tear. The steel girders and rivets on the underside are probed for peeling paint and rust. The concrete foundations below the water's surface are checked for evidence of deterioration.

QuoteIn September, I got to go along with state bridge inspector Keith Vaughn as he went through a portion of his routine. The first part is relatively simple. He walked the sidewalk and checked the road surface's concrete, the guard rails, the nearby vegetation and the bridge expansion joints. All was well. The most significant thing we saw was that road dirt had gotten into the little rut that's part of the expansion joint, and that's easily cleared out.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 01, 2015, 12:37:01 PM
WTOP Radio: Md. 97 bypass a win-win for small Montgomery County town (http://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2015/10/md-97-bypass-win-win-small-town-montgomery-county/)

QuoteThe town of Brookeville has been around for more than 200 years, and the community is worried that all the commuter traffic on Md. 97, Georgia Avenue, will ruin its historic charm.

QuoteBut the Maryland State Highway Administration is moving fast on a Md. 97 bypass that would take traffic out of Brookeville and give commuters a potentially quicker trip through the stretch north of the Intercounty Connector.

Quote"This will help keep traffic flowing while still keeping the greatness of Brookeville, the quaintness, there.  The whole point of the Brookeville bypass is to bypass historic Brookeville.  When you have thousands and thousands of cars coming through a small town, it adds to traffic and adds concerns about children running across the street,"  says Del. Craig Zucker.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 01, 2015, 02:06:01 PM
What is the deal with the bridge weight sign here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1799825,-76.9586504,3a,75y,166.66h,86.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDzZcn0b1ALQ5QvxMsoRW-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This is on Highland Road approaching MD 108 and MD 216.  I guess it's just a sign error since neither road was MD 32.  I don't even know what bridge it refers to. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 01, 2015, 02:12:37 PM
On I-270 south yesterday I saw a VMS say something like:

Crash Ahead

Past Exit 4 MD 927

Expect Delays

I don't recall all it said precisely.  But the MD 927 stood out.  Since it's an unsigned route, who is going to know that Montrose Road is MD 927 @ I-270 besides roadgeeks like us. 

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 01, 2015, 02:38:53 PM
Reminds me that I saw a MD 927 reference on NB 270 several months ago-something about construction. Had to look it up when I got home, and SHA indeed lists it for a little part of Montrose. Couldn't find on a map at least one of the listed cross streets indicating beginning/end. At least in today's case, it apparently also included "Exit 4", but in my case I don't recall such a cross reference. Even if you don't know what Exit 4 is, at least there are signs for it. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 01, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: BrianP on October 01, 2015, 02:06:01 PM
What is the deal with the bridge weight sign here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1799825,-76.9586504,3a,75y,166.66h,86.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDzZcn0b1ALQ5QvxMsoRW-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This is on Highland Road approaching MD 108 and MD 216.  I guess it's just a sign error since neither road was MD 32.  I don't even know what bridge it refers to.

This one makes partial sense. MD 32 is the next state highway up MD 108 from MD 216, so it's reasonable to drivers on the state highway system (particularly trucks) some warning nearby. Beats not putting up the sign until you get to the bridge. There a few branches of the Middle Patuxent River that cross under MD 32 on the older 2 lane section NW of 108.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 02, 2015, 09:17:55 AM
Quote from: BrianP on October 01, 2015, 02:12:37 PM
On I-270 south yesterday I saw a VMS say something like:

Crash Ahead

Past Exit 4 MD 927

Expect Delays

I don't recall all it said precisely.  But the MD 927 stood out.  Since it's an unsigned route, who is going to know that Montrose Road is MD 927 @ I-270 besides roadgeeks like us.

Absolutely correct.

It reminds me of references to Md. 295 on the Capital Beltway part of I-95.  It should read Baltimore-Washington Parkway (or B-W Pkwy), not Md. 295.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on October 05, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
I knew that I-68 was the most obvious candidate for the 70 MPH limit (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16562.0). Now I-83 (and/or I-95) north of Baltimore and I-70 from the PA line to at least Frederick should be next in line for the new limit change.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on October 05, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 05, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
I knew that I-68 was the most obvious candidate for the 70 MPH limit (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16562.0). Now I-83 (and/or I-95) north of Baltimore and I-70 from the PA line to at least Frederick should be next in line for the new limit change.

I was told by someone that the local paper in Garrett County said that they are going to be changing I-70 between Hancock and Hagerstown next week. I can't verify the article though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 05, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: mattpedersen on October 05, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 05, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
I knew that I-68 was the most obvious candidate for the 70 MPH limit (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16562.0). Now I-83 (and/or I-95) north of Baltimore and I-70 from the PA line to at least Frederick should be next in line for the new limit change.

I was told by someone that the local paper in Garrett County said that they are going to be changing I-70 between Hancock and Hagerstown next week. I can't verify the article though.

SHA will likely send out a press release right before changing, as they did for I-68.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on October 08, 2015, 07:24:08 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 05, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
SHA will likely send out a press release right before changing, as they did for I-68.

I drove I-68 from Hancock to US 219 South at Keysers Ridge last night. It is posted, at least westbound from I-70 to US 220 north, without a pre announced, drop to 65, with the previous drops at Hillcrest Drive and old 220 still in place.Past Cumberland the limit jumps just past the ramps from Alt 40 at La Vale, once you start the grade towards Frostburg. I only saw one traffic stop and that was just past the long decent down Martins Mountain, about 1 mile west of the exit for Rocky Gap, which is a common place to see traffic stops. Drivers tended to be unaffected by the change, out of state drivers were pushing it harder than people with Maryland plates, but I don't think any one I saw pushed it just past about 6-7 over. The 70 overlays are annoying at night. Sometimes they are brighter than the old sign, other times they are unreadable.

As far as I-70, nothing is different, as of yet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 10, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
My mom gave Ms1995hoo a copy of the current issue of the Washingtonian magazine. It's their 50th anniversary issue and contains lots of old photos, including this one of the Beltway:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FRoad%2520sign%2520pictures%2FF2CA43F8-B1B2-4E71-A566-EB1914159920_zpswlvzmuib.jpg&hash=9010d171d9de3a0f5c7ca2c37507176b2580818d)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 10, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
1995hoo or anyone, those signs in that 1965 photo look like they have fully reflective, non-button copy lettering.  When was reflective lettering on freeway signs first developed?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 10, 2015, 08:06:03 PM
What road is I-70S today?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 10, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on October 10, 2015, 08:06:03 PM
What road is I-70S today?
I-270. What was labeled 270 is now I-270-Y, although it may have been briefly I-470. Usually referred to as "the spur".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 11, 2015, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: ixnay on October 10, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
1995hoo or anyone, those signs in that 1965 photo look like they have fully reflective, non-button copy lettering.  When was reflective lettering on freeway signs first developed?

ixnay


Beats me, although Maryland did use button copy for years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2015, 02:22:43 AM
Quote from: ixnay on October 10, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
1995hoo or anyone, those signs in that 1965 photo look like they have fully reflective, non-button copy lettering.  When was reflective lettering on freeway signs first developed?

ixnay

I disagree, those look like button copy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 11, 2015, 05:57:34 AM
2 other photos from this location. First one obviously predates the above Washingtonian photo, and can be no earlier than the mid-November 1963 opening of this stretch of road. Second photo is apparently the same sign as posted by 1995hoo, yet has different arrows; because both below sets of arrows are pointing generally upwards, I think both of the below predate the Washingtonian photo posted yesterday; the year in the original caption on that photo isn't readable, but I think says 1965? However, I believe all 3 photos show button copy signs.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2Ftraffic%2FBway_spur1.jpg&hash=0559cd2e08b11dff32218f6f95cb4382525f83c7)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2Ftraffic%2FBway_spur2.jpg&hash=e7e295d6cd84f0c0672a3b82708e6648027622b2)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 11, 2015, 08:14:28 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2015, 02:22:43 AM
Quote from: ixnay on October 10, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
1995hoo or anyone, those signs in that 1965 photo look like they have fully reflective, non-button copy lettering.  When was reflective lettering on freeway signs first developed?

ixnay

I disagree, those look like button copy.

You're right, I can (barely) make out the button lines in the workmen's shadows.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 11, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 11, 2015, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: ixnay on October 10, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
1995hoo or anyone, those signs in that 1965 photo look like they have fully reflective, non-button copy lettering.  When was reflective lettering on freeway signs first developed?

ixnay


Beats me, although Maryland did use button copy for years.

The MdTA was still using buttons in the '90s on I-95 within Baltimore City (the whole stretch of 95 in the city is under MdTA jurisdiction, not just the FMcHT and its toll plaza and ventilators).

I just love being among fellow button copy lovers... :)

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on October 11, 2015, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 02, 2015, 09:17:55 AM
Quote from: BrianP on October 01, 2015, 02:12:37 PM
On I-270 south yesterday I saw a VMS say something like:

Crash Ahead

Past Exit 4 MD 927

Expect Delays

I don't recall all it said precisely.  But the MD 927 stood out.  Since it's an unsigned route, who is going to know that Montrose Road is MD 927 @ I-270 besides roadgeeks like us.

Absolutely correct.

It reminds me of references to Md. 295 on the Capital Beltway part of I-95.  It should read Baltimore-Washington Parkway (or B-W Pkwy), not Md. 295.

I agree.  No reference to highway numbers, unless they are regularly signed.

With regards to BW Pkwy-Kenilworth-Anacostia Freeway, I believe the entire road should be signed as 295 to some degree.  MD 295 north of MD 175.  DC 295 south of US 50.  I-295 south of I-695.  And for the portion under NPS jurisdiction between US 50 and MD 175, maybe some NPS-295.  I'm imagining a shield shaped like the NPS arrowhead:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-NationalParkService-ShadedLogo.svg

FWIW, it would be easy to refer to this one roadway by one number, even though multiple jurisdictions control it.

(And similar shields should be employed where other highways go through NPS property and are not signed as state or US highways.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 11, 2015, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 11, 2015, 05:57:34 AM
2 other photos from this location. First one obviously predates the above Washingtonian photo, and can be no earlier than the mid-November 1963 opening of this stretch of road. Second photo is apparently the same sign as posted by 1995hoo, yet has different arrows; because both below sets of arrows are pointing generally upwards, I think both of the below predate the Washingtonian photo posted yesterday; the year in the original caption on that photo isn't readable, but I think says 1965? However, I believe all 3 photos show button copy signs.

The photo I posted from the magazine says 1965.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 11, 2015, 05:57:34 AM
2 other photos from this location. First one obviously predates the above Washingtonian photo, and can be no earlier than the mid-November 1963 opening of this stretch of road. Second photo is apparently the same sign as posted by 1995hoo, yet has different arrows; because both below sets of arrows are pointing generally upwards, I think both of the below predate the Washingtonian photo posted yesterday; the year in the original caption on that photo isn't readable, but I think says 1965? However, I believe all 3 photos show button copy signs.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2Ftraffic%2FBway_spur2.jpg&hash=e7e295d6cd84f0c0672a3b82708e6648027622b2)
My opinion is that this is the same sign as the Washingtonian photo, and taken well after 1965. Those are the same down arrows, rotated into up arrows. Either something in the MUTCD told Maryland that up arrows were better to denote the direction of the road split, or there was something operational (accidents, confusion) that spurred it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on October 11, 2015, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: mrsman on October 11, 2015, 09:48:49 AM
(And similar shields should be employed where other highways go through NPS property and are not signed as state or US highways.)

They already do it in NJ:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/NPS_615_NB_in_Walpack.JPG/220px-NPS_615_NB_in_Walpack.JPG)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 11, 2015, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 11, 2015, 05:57:34 AM
2 other photos from this location. First one obviously predates the above Washingtonian photo, and can be no earlier than the mid-November 1963 opening of this stretch of road. Second photo is apparently the same sign as posted by 1995hoo, yet has different arrows; because both below sets of arrows are pointing generally upwards, I think both of the below predate the Washingtonian photo posted yesterday; the year in the original caption on that photo isn't readable, but I think says 1965? However, I believe all 3 photos show button copy signs.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2Ftraffic%2FBway_spur2.jpg&hash=e7e295d6cd84f0c0672a3b82708e6648027622b2)
My opinion is that this is the same sign as the Washingtonian photo, and taken well after 1965. Those are the same down arrows, rotated into up arrows. Either something in the MUTCD told Maryland that up arrows were better to denote the direction of the road split, or there was something operational (accidents, confusion) that spurred it.

Notice the trees in the median are bigger than they were in the 1965 photo. To me that's the best evidence that it was probably a good number of years later.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 11, 2015, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 11, 2015, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
My opinion is that this is the same sign as the Washingtonian photo, and taken well after 1965. Those are the same down arrows, rotated into up arrows. Either something in the MUTCD told Maryland that up arrows were better to denote the direction of the road split, or there was something operational (accidents, confusion) that spurred it.
Notice the trees in the median are bigger than they were in the 1965 photo. To me that's the best evidence that it was probably a good number of years later.
Good catch on the trees. As to the arrows, this split has seen a fair number of accidents thru the years-the second lane from the left was an option lane in all 3 of these photographs, but the split was striped 2 lanes each way by the time I started driving in the early 70's (and is now 3 lanes each way). I think the change from downward arrows to angled upwards arrows was an attempt to get drivers to stop going straight (especially at night).
Another question on these photos for anyone who might know-another big difference between hoo's photo and the cop photo is the handrail on the gantry (which wouldn't be terribly effective if the guy slips off his step ladder). Would it have been common place for the maintenance crew to bring those handrail sections along with them, and install them before starting any actual work? I can see OSHA or someone having all kinds of fits nowadays if someone even tried to insert handrail sections with traffic continuing underneath. If the handrails were permanent, I think they'd potentially obscure part of the sign (but not the lights mounted at the bottom).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 11, 2015, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on October 11, 2015, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: mrsman on October 11, 2015, 09:48:49 AM
(And similar shields should be employed where other highways go through NPS property and are not signed as state or US highways.)

They already do it in NJ:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/NPS_615_NB_in_Walpack.JPG/220px-NPS_615_NB_in_Walpack.JPG)

Was that taken in Delaware Water Gap NRA?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on October 12, 2015, 01:00:15 PM
Yes, Old Mine Road. Formerly CR-615.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 12, 2015, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 11, 2015, 04:19:16 PM
Notice the trees in the median are bigger than they were in the 1965 photo. To me that's the best evidence that it was probably a good number of years later.

This image was taken sometime after 1965, but before about 1975, when I-70S became I-270 and I-270 became I-270 Spur.

Shortly after the Capital Beltway was completed in 1964, Maryland SRC replaced all of the BGS panels on its part of the Beltway with what you see above.  These signs were installed 1964 or maybe 1965.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 12, 2015, 10:06:42 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2015, 02:22:43 AM
I disagree, those look like button copy.

It was all buttoncopy except the shields.  Maryland SRC did not like to use button copy on shields then. Maryland SRC used some button copy on shields for a while in the 1970's.

All of the Capital Beltway had button copy signs from about 1965 to sometime in the late 1970's or early 1980's.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 11:48:29 AM
I passed through the Essex area of MD a while back and crossed over the Back River on the Beltway, and as I did so I wondered to myself why the SRC felt that three road crossings of the Back River were necessary. Had the Outer Back River Crossing been constructed and linked to the Beltway near Sparrows Point, I think there would have been an excess of road capacity in this area even if the steel plant site at the Point was still in use at its fullest extent.

Are there any online resources that have info on why so much road capacity was considered for this river crossing?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
They gotta fix the I-70/I-270/US 15/US 40/US 340 bottleneck in Frederick. Some of the movements on I-70 to US 15/40/340 aren't there, and if you want to head on US 15 South/US 340 West from I-270 North, you have to make a hard weave onto i-70 to take exit 52A. Also, the lanes for I-70 at exits 52-53 could be exit only as there aren't option lanes and the signs don't quite match the lanes. I-70 through Frederick needs more work too.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
They gotta fix the I-70/I-270/US 15/US 40/US 340 bottleneck in Frederick. Some of the movements on I-70 to US 15/40/340 aren't there, and if you want to head on US 15 South/US 340 West from I-270 North, you have to make a hard weave onto i-70 to take exit 52A. Also, the lanes for I-70 at exits 52-53 could be exit only as there aren't option lanes and the signs don't quite match the lanes. I-70 through Frederick needs more work too.

If you are traveling from I-270 north to US 15 south/US 340 west I believe you're supposed to continue straight ahead past the changeover from I-270 to US 40, then exit at Jefferson Street and turn left onto US 15/US 340.

I'd rather they construct a flyover to carry US 15 north through the interchange and onto the Frederick Freeway at the existing grade separation, and widen the ramps carrying US 15 south in the opposite direction to allow for free-flowing traffic on US 15.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 18, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
They gotta fix the I-70/I-270/US 15/US 40/US 340 bottleneck in Frederick. Some of the movements on I-70 to US 15/40/340 aren't there, and if you want to head on US 15 South/US 340 West from I-270 North, you have to make a hard weave onto i-70 to take exit 52A. Also, the lanes for I-70 at exits 52-53 could be exit only as there aren't option lanes and the signs don't quite match the lanes. I-70 through Frederick needs more work too.

If you are traveling from I-270 north to US 15 south/US 340 west I believe you're supposed to continue straight ahead past the changeover from I-270 to US 40, then exit at Jefferson Street and turn left onto US 15/US 340.

So it was signed in July 2012...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4039593,-77.4305806,3a,75y,323.59h,80.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spS893kbQsMDvoUz0jbwO9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Of course, a stoplight awaits you at the top of the ramp.  I guess that's a lesser evil than a "hard weave", huh?...

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on October 18, 2015, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
They gotta fix the I-70/I-270/US 15/US 40/US 340 bottleneck in Frederick. Some of the movements on I-70 to US 15/40/340 aren't there, and if you want to head on US 15 South/US 340 West from I-270 North, you have to make a hard weave onto i-70 to take exit 52A. Also, the lanes for I-70 at exits 52-53 could be exit only as there aren't option lanes and the signs don't quite match the lanes. I-70 through Frederick needs more work too.

The interchanges are Frederick are hugely improved over what they used to be until about 2000. All of the major movements are possible now without having to use other roads to go between interchanges. A number of movements (I-70 E to US 15 or US 340, I-270 to I-70 E, US 340 to I-70 W, US 15 to I-70 W, I-70 W to I-270 S) did not exist previously.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 18, 2015, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
They gotta fix the I-70/I-270/US 15/US 40/US 340 bottleneck in Frederick. Some of the movements on I-70 to US 15/40/340 aren't there, and if you want to head on US 15 South/US 340 West from I-270 North, you have to make a hard weave onto i-70 to take exit 52A. Also, the lanes for I-70 at exits 52-53 could be exit only as there aren't option lanes and the signs don't quite match the lanes. I-70 through Frederick needs more work too.

The interchanges are Frederick are hugely improved over what they used to be until about 2000. All of the major movements are possible now without having to use other roads to go between interchanges. A number of movements (I-70 E to US 15 or US 340, I-270 to I-70 E, US 340 to I-70 W, US 15 to I-70 W, I-70 W to I-270 S) did not exist previously.
The remaining movements are I-70 East to US 40 West. It'd be helpful to have that movement since that is also US 15, and probably a good alt route. I-70 West also does not get the US 15 North movement, meaning that I-70 east does not have an alt route to the Frederick Freeway, and I-70 West has no direct access at all. Both movements are pretty important.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 19, 2015, 06:51:22 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 18, 2015, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
They gotta fix the I-70/I-270/US 15/US 40/US 340 bottleneck in Frederick. Some of the movements on I-70 to US 15/40/340 aren't there, and if you want to head on US 15 South/US 340 West from I-270 North, you have to make a hard weave onto i-70 to take exit 52A. Also, the lanes for I-70 at exits 52-53 could be exit only as there aren't option lanes and the signs don't quite match the lanes. I-70 through Frederick needs more work too.

The interchanges are Frederick are hugely improved over what they used to be until about 2000. All of the major movements are possible now without having to use other roads to go between interchanges. A number of movements (I-70 E to US 15 or US 340, I-270 to I-70 E, US 340 to I-70 W, US 15 to I-70 W, I-70 W to I-270 S) did not exist previously.
The remaining movements are I-70 East to US 40 West. It'd be helpful to have that movement since that is also US 15, and probably a good alt route. I-70 West also does not get the US 15 North movement, meaning that I-70 east does not have an alt route to the Frederick Freeway, and I-70 West has no direct access at all. Both movements are pretty important.

How do you squeeze in another flyover at exit 53 with all that commercial development (not to mention a cemetery) hemming it in?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on October 19, 2015, 07:35:23 AM
I-70 east to US 40 west is accomplished via Exit 52.  There is nothing one could reach on 40 west via exit 53 that is also not reachable from Exit 52...

Mike
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on October 19, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
It's as if Noel is counting the short bits of 15/340 and 40 (standalone) north of I-70 as separate freeways that each deserve their own access from I-70.  The reality that he doesn't realize is they don't need their own exits.

I agree with TheOneKEA that improving the US 15 "through connections" where 15/340 meets 40 would be useful, and I've seen rough schematics from SHA (from the I-270 corridor studies) proposing them.  Funding and building them would be another matter, though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 19, 2015, 10:36:14 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 19, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
It's as if Noel is counting the short bits of 15/340 and 40 (standalone) north of I-70 as separate freeways that each deserve their own access from I-70.  The reality that he doesn't realize is they don't need their own exits.

I agree with TheOneKEA that improving the US 15 "through connections" where 15/340 meets 40 would be useful, and I've seen rough schematics from SHA (from the I-270 corridor studies) proposing them.  Funding and building them would be another matter, though.

IIRC, there were some flyover-type ramps proposed. 

Somewhat similar to what was done at the I-95/I-495 and Md. 5 (Exit 7) interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.819486,-76.918089,17z) in Camp Springs, Prince George's County, though I think there is a lot less space at I-270/U.S. 340/U.S. 15/U.S. 40.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on October 19, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
Was that intended to be a football article, CP?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 19, 2015, 01:27:53 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 19, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
Was that intended to be a football article, CP?

No and corrected.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on October 19, 2015, 01:40:41 PM
IMO movements from one freeway to another should never involve a stoplight.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on October 19, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
I'd rather they construct a flyover to carry US 15 north through the interchange and onto the Frederick Freeway at the existing grade separation, and widen the ramps carrying US 15 south in the opposite direction to allow for free-flowing traffic on US 15.

There is room in the median on the US15/US40 for a flyover ramp, with a left merge. I am sure that was planned intentionally.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 19, 2015, 09:43:43 PM
I lived in Brunswick 1988-1991, and suspected the left merge deal as well
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 19, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 11:48:29 AM
I passed through the Essex area of MD a while back and crossed over the Back River on the Beltway, and as I did so I wondered to myself why the SRC felt that three road crossings of the Back River were necessary. Had the Outer Back River Crossing been constructed and linked to the Beltway near Sparrows Point, I think there would have been an excess of road capacity in this area even if the steel plant site at the Point was still in use at its fullest extent.

Are there any online resources that have info on why so much road capacity was considered for this river crossing?
I wonder if it was related to the steel plant and consideration for extra development. I, too, feel like there was a lot of freeway capacity planned south of I-95, and not even just down Sparrows Point. I've never heard a reason why, though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on October 20, 2015, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 19, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 11:48:29 AM
I passed through the Essex area of MD a while back and crossed over the Back River on the Beltway, and as I did so I wondered to myself why the SRC felt that three road crossings of the Back River were necessary. Had the Outer Back River Crossing been constructed and linked to the Beltway near Sparrows Point, I think there would have been an excess of road capacity in this area even if the steel plant site at the Point was still in use at its fullest extent.

Are there any online resources that have info on why so much road capacity was considered for this river crossing?
I wonder if it was related to the steel plant and consideration for extra development. I, too, feel like there was a lot of freeway capacity planned south of I-95, and not even just down Sparrows Point. I've never heard a reason why, though.
I know that the Windlass Freeway was proposed to go from I-95 Exit 60 to White Marsh, and the Patapsco Freeway was to spur south of there to Sparrows Point; I'm sure that a northern extension of the latter was planned at one point, and if so, would it end at either US 40 or I-95?

Maybe it was a good thing that what was originally planned as the southeastern quadrant of the Beltway was eventually constructed as a surface highway (MD 702); having three freeway-grade roads in this area alone would surely be overkill.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 20, 2015, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: mattpedersen on October 19, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
I'd rather they construct a flyover to carry US 15 north through the interchange and onto the Frederick Freeway at the existing grade separation, and widen the ramps carrying US 15 south in the opposite direction to allow for free-flowing traffic on US 15.

There is room in the median on the US15/US40 for a flyover ramp, with a left merge. I am sure that was planned intentionally.

With that left merge though, you would have another hard weave getting to MD 144 east (harder than the transition from 270 north to 15 south/340 west).

Just how busy a traffic sorter is Frederick's spaghetti bowl?

http://www.marylandroads.com/Traffic_Volume_Maps/Traffic_Volume_Maps.pdf (scroll down to Frederick County, then to the blowup of Frederick city)

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on October 20, 2015, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 18, 2015, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 18, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
They gotta fix the I-70/I-270/US 15/US 40/US 340 bottleneck in Frederick. Some of the movements on I-70 to US 15/40/340 aren't there, and if you want to head on US 15 South/US 340 West from I-270 North, you have to make a hard weave onto i-70 to take exit 52A. Also, the lanes for I-70 at exits 52-53 could be exit only as there aren't option lanes and the signs don't quite match the lanes. I-70 through Frederick needs more work too.

The interchanges are Frederick are hugely improved over what they used to be until about 2000. All of the major movements are possible now without having to use other roads to go between interchanges. A number of movements (I-70 E to US 15 or US 340, I-270 to I-70 E, US 340 to I-70 W, US 15 to I-70 W, I-70 W to I-270 S) did not exist previously.
The remaining movements are I-70 East to US 40 West. It'd be helpful to have that movement since that is also US 15, and probably a good alt route. I-70 West also does not get the US 15 North movement, meaning that I-70 east does not have an alt route to the Frederick Freeway, and I-70 West has no direct access at all. Both movements are pretty important.

The movements you want  already exist.I-70 East to US-40 is exit 48 as you come down Braddock Heights with a long ramp that puts you at the West End of the Dual Lane section of US 40.  I 70 West has lanes exiting (two going down to 1) at exit 53B that feed directly into US-15 North (Technically it is US-40 until you get to Jefferson Ave but everyone locally thinks of it as US-15.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on October 20, 2015, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 19, 2015, 01:40:41 PM
IMO movements from one freeway to another should never involve a stoplight.

Except at Breezewood  :-)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 20, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 20, 2015, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: mattpedersen on October 19, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 18, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
I'd rather they construct a flyover to carry US 15 north through the interchange and onto the Frederick Freeway at the existing grade separation, and widen the ramps carrying US 15 south in the opposite direction to allow for free-flowing traffic on US 15.

There is room in the median on the US15/US40 for a flyover ramp, with a left merge. I am sure that was planned intentionally.

With that left merge though, you would have another hard weave getting to MD 144 east (harder than the transition from 270 north to 15 south/340 west).

Just how busy a traffic sorter is Frederick's spaghetti bowl?

http://www.marylandroads.com/Traffic_Volume_Maps/Traffic_Volume_Maps.pdf (scroll down to Frederick County, then to the blowup of Frederick city)

ixnay

If you are on 15/340 N and wish to go to 144 E you just go straight ahead on Jefferson Street.  If you are on 15/340 N and wish to go to the 40 West commercial strip, the locals use the MD 180 exit and cut over on local streets south of 40.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on October 23, 2015, 10:01:33 AM
Truck flipped over on the EB Chesapeake Bay Bridge this morning, hanging over the edge. Two-way traffic on the WB span until things get cleared.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/traffic/transit/Back-of-Overturned-Box-Truck-Hanging-Over-Edge-of-Bay-Bridge-336244301.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 30, 2015, 01:52:37 PM
Baltimore Sun:  Project to improve safety of port's freight corridor wins $10 million federal grant (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-federal-funding-supports-freight-corridor-20151029-story.html)

QuoteA project designed to help the Port of Baltimore be a better neighbor to city residents will get a $10 million boost from the U.S. Department of Transportation, Secretary Anthony Foxx announced Thursday.

QuoteThe funding will support infrastructure improvements for the Southeast Baltimore Port Industry Freight Corridor Plan, which includes changes to the Broening Highway freight corridor. The improvements, designed to more safely connect the port to the regional and national road network, will include a replacement of the structurally deficient Colgate Creek Bridge and roadway improvements connecting freight to I-95 to enhance truck movement. It also will make street improvements to make it easier to walk and ride bicycle in nearby neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 06, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
WTOP Radio: Secret Service responds to Wednesday's gridlock (http://wtop.com/local/2015/11/secret-service-responds-to-wednesdays-gridlock/)

QuoteThe Secret Service has responded to the gridlock it created Wednesday when a presidential motorcade stopped traffic on the Capital Beltway during the evening commute.

QuoteOn Wednesday, a lot of folks ended up getting home a lot later than normal. First the Inner Loop shut down for the motorcade during the height of the afternoon commute.

QuoteTraffic then stopped on the Outer Loop after 7 p.m. as the president returned to the White House.

QuotePresident Barack Obama was attending a fundraiser at a  private home in Potomac, Maryland.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 08, 2015, 11:30:45 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.

I drove it in the late afternoon, and it was pretty busy, especially westbound.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on November 10, 2015, 12:16:18 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 08, 2015, 11:30:45 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.

I drove it in the late afternoon, and it was pretty busy, especially westbound.
I feel like the ICC traffic is going to be quite low until the top of the Beltway starts getting congested. That's not to say the ICC relieves Beltway traffic - that's but a minor function - but it's a bellwether of how other east-west roads are faring in southern MD. As long as the minor roads are moving well, few people will bother paying for the ICC, and traffic on 95 and 270 will just use the Beltway if it's moving well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 12, 2015, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: Alps on November 10, 2015, 12:16:18 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 08, 2015, 11:30:45 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.

I drove it in the late afternoon, and it was pretty busy, especially westbound.
I feel like the ICC traffic is going to be quite low until the top of the Beltway starts getting congested. That's not to say the ICC relieves Beltway traffic - that's but a minor function - but it's a bellwether of how other east-west roads are faring in southern MD. As long as the minor roads are moving well, few people will bother paying for the ICC, and traffic on 95 and 270 will just use the Beltway if it's moving well.

This is not a perfect surrogate for AADT by link, but MdTA reports a significant increase in toll revenue for the ICC between FY 2014 and FY2015 here (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/About/Finances/Traffic_and_Toll_Revenue.html).

Part of that increase can be attributed to the completion of the project between U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue) and I-95.

Is it a bail-out route for traffic wanting to avoid the Outer Loop of I-495, which is frequently and severely congested? 

I believe the answer is yes, perhaps more with people using navigation programs and hardware with dynamic routing based on congestion (or lack thereof), though if WTOP radio reports a crash or disabled vehicle blocking a lane on the "top side" of I-495, then many drivers will bail-out to parallel eat-west roads, mostly north of I-495, like Md. 193 (University Boulevard); Randolph Road/Cherry Hill Road; Md. 200; and Md. 198/Norbeck Road Extended/Md. 28.

Which of these moves the fastest?  The answer is left to the reader.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.


It's almost unfair to drive a road once or twice and form an opinion on it.  If I drove Rt. 29 into Trenton on a Sunday, I could probably say the same thing as you said about the ICC, knowing full well on a Monday I'll be sitting in heavy congestion on the same stretch of road.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 12, 2015, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.


It's almost unfair to drive a road once or twice and form an opinion on it.  If I drove Rt. 29 into Trenton on a Sunday, I could probably say the same thing as you said about the ICC, knowing full well on a Monday I'll be sitting in heavy congestion on the same stretch of road.

Md. 200 is not normally congested - the toll schedule is specifically designed to prevent recurring congestion, and if it starts to become congested, the tolls must be increased.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 12, 2015, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.


It's almost unfair to drive a road once or twice and form an opinion on it.  If I drove Rt. 29 into Trenton on a Sunday, I could probably say the same thing as you said about the ICC, knowing full well on a Monday I'll be sitting in heavy congestion on the same stretch of road.

Md. 200 is not normally congested - the toll schedule is specifically designed to prevent recurring congestion, and if it starts to become congested, the tolls must be increased.

Yeah, I wouldn't think it would be congested, but I would believe there would be a lot more traffic on it than, say, a Sunday afternoon. 

Likewise, whenever I've driven on 95 south of DC (mostly at night), I rarely see anyone using the EZ Pass lanes due to the time I've driving in the area.  But I know that's not true during the day.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on November 12, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 06, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
WTOP Radio: Secret Service responds to Wednesday's gridlock (http://wtop.com/local/2015/11/secret-service-responds-to-wednesdays-gridlock/)

QuoteThe Secret Service has responded to the gridlock it created Wednesday when a presidential motorcade stopped traffic on the Capital Beltway during the evening commute.

QuoteOn Wednesday, a lot of folks ended up getting home a lot later than normal. First the Inner Loop shut down for the motorcade during the height of the afternoon commute.

QuoteTraffic then stopped on the Outer Loop after 7 p.m. as the president returned to the White House.

QuotePresident Barack Obama was attending a fundraiser at a  private home in Potomac, Maryland.
You would think that this would have been planned a little better.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on November 12, 2015, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on November 12, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 06, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
WTOP Radio: Secret Service responds to Wednesday's gridlock (http://wtop.com/local/2015/11/secret-service-responds-to-wednesdays-gridlock/)

QuoteThe Secret Service has responded to the gridlock it created Wednesday when a presidential motorcade stopped traffic on the Capital Beltway during the evening commute.

QuoteOn Wednesday, a lot of folks ended up getting home a lot later than normal. First the Inner Loop shut down for the motorcade during the height of the afternoon commute.

QuoteTraffic then stopped on the Outer Loop after 7 p.m. as the president returned to the White House.

QuotePresident Barack Obama was attending a fundraiser at a  private home in Potomac, Maryland.
You would think that this would have been planned a little better.

Short of the residence having a helipiad, not much that can be done. Shutdowns and motorcades are an unvaoidable aspect of this area.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on November 12, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 06, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
WTOP Radio: Secret Service responds to Wednesday’s gridlock (http://wtop.com/local/2015/11/secret-service-responds-to-wednesdays-gridlock/)

QuoteThe Secret Service has responded to the gridlock it created Wednesday when a presidential motorcade stopped traffic on the Capital Beltway during the evening commute.

QuoteOn Wednesday, a lot of folks ended up getting home a lot later than normal. First the Inner Loop shut down for the motorcade during the height of the afternoon commute.

QuoteTraffic then stopped on the Outer Loop after 7 p.m. as the president returned to the White House.

QuotePresident Barack Obama was attending a fundraiser at a  private home in Potomac, Maryland.
You would think that this would have been planned a little better.

I've never seen a situation where they've asked the President to arrive/depart earlier/later for traffic reasons.  For example, if he was giving a speech in your city, his plane would arrive and they would whisk him to the speaking location. Doesn't matter the time of day. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on November 12, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on November 12, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 06, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
WTOP Radio: Secret Service responds to Wednesday’s gridlock (http://wtop.com/local/2015/11/secret-service-responds-to-wednesdays-gridlock/)

QuoteThe Secret Service has responded to the gridlock it created Wednesday when a presidential motorcade stopped traffic on the Capital Beltway during the evening commute.

QuoteOn Wednesday, a lot of folks ended up getting home a lot later than normal. First the Inner Loop shut down for the motorcade during the height of the afternoon commute.

QuoteTraffic then stopped on the Outer Loop after 7 p.m. as the president returned to the White House.

QuotePresident Barack Obama was attending a fundraiser at a  private home in Potomac, Maryland.
You would think that this would have been planned a little better.

I've never seen a situation where they've asked the President to arrive/depart earlier/later for traffic reasons.  For example, if he was giving a speech in your city, his plane would arrive and they would whisk him to the speaking location. Doesn't matter the time of day.
I'm thinking the organizers of the fundraiser..
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on November 12, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 12, 2015, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 12, 2015, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 08, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
Have traffic volumes picked up on the ICC (MD 200)?  I drove it today around noon (granted it's a Sunday), and just like my last time about 2-3 months ago I expected to see tumbleweeds blowing across it.
It's almost unfair to drive a road once or twice and form an opinion on it.  If I drove Rt. 29 into Trenton on a Sunday, I could probably say the same thing as you said about the ICC, knowing full well on a Monday I'll be sitting in heavy congestion on the same stretch of road.

Md. 200 is not normally congested - the toll schedule is specifically designed to prevent recurring congestion, and if it starts to become congested, the tolls must be increased.

Yeah, I wouldn't think it would be congested, but I would believe there would be a lot more traffic on it than, say, a Sunday afternoon. 

Likewise, whenever I've driven on 95 south of DC (mostly at night), I rarely see anyone using the EZ Pass lanes due to the time I've driving in the area.  But I know that's not true during the day.
I've also driven 200 at or close to peak times in the past and it seemed empty then too, so I'm not basing this on one Sunday drive.  And in this particular case, there was plenty of traffic at each end on 270 and 95 - even 370 before it transitions into 200.  I've read in the past (probably here as well) how volumes have been well below projections, so I think it's a fair question.  I do like the fire hydrant location signs, though.

How have the tolled express lanes north of Baltimore been doing with volumes?  Again, my experience has been primarily off-peak.  About half the time, I go for it, and always ask myself "was that really worth $1.19?"
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 13, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on November 12, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
I've also driven 200 at or close to peak times in the past and it seemed empty then too, so I'm not basing this on one Sunday drive.  And in this particular case, there was plenty of traffic at each end on 270 and 95 - even 370 before it transitions into 200.  I've read in the past (probably here as well) how volumes have been well below projections, so I think it's a fair question.  I do like the fire hydrant location signs, though.

How have the tolled express lanes north of Baltimore been doing with volumes?  Again, my experience has been primarily off-peak.  About half the time, I go for it, and always ask myself "was that really worth $1.19?"

Route 200 has enough traffic that it is covering the costs of operation and maintenance out of toll revenues and amortizing the toll revenue bonds that were sold to fund its construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on November 13, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on November 13, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
Quote from: cl94 on November 13, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

The FHWA linked *this* site on Facebook?  BTW I clicked on the Facebook link you provided, cl94, word-searched "aaroads" on the page the link took me too, and got no results.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on November 13, 2015, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: cl94 on November 13, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

Sweet, I had no idea! Thanks for posting this. 
Will have to update those dated end photos next.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on November 14, 2015, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: ixnay on November 13, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
Quote from: cl94 on November 13, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

The FHWA linked *this* site on Facebook?  BTW I clicked on the Facebook link you provided, cl94, word-searched "aaroads" on the page the link took me too, and got no results.

ixnay
Link is to interstate-guide.com, not AAraods.com.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on November 14, 2015, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on November 14, 2015, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: ixnay on November 13, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
Quote from: cl94 on November 13, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

The FHWA linked *this* site on Facebook?  BTW I clicked on the Facebook link you provided, cl94, word-searched "aaroads" on the page the link took me too, and got no results.

ixnay
Link is to interstate-guide.com, not AAraods.com.

Which is a sub-site clearly marked as part of AARoads.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
Philly.com op-ed: Philly won't be overlooked: Give us a (road) sign (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20151115_Philly_won_t_be_overlooked__Give_us_a__road__sign.html)

QuoteSometimes we feel overlooked here in Philadelphia.

QuoteSometimes this is a crisis of our own making.

QuoteSometimes we refuse to see anything but our own shortcomings.

QuoteSometimes, though, we really are getting screwed.

QuoteFor example, anyone unfamiliar with the East Coast, driving north out of D.C. on I-95 for the first time, could be forgiven for feeling shocked when Philly appears on the horizon where - at least according to the road signs - a major city is not supposed to be.

QuoteYes, it's true. Coming up 95 through Maryland, the road signs will tell you that the next two cities on your route are fair Baltimore and gleaming New York.

QuoteThere's no mention of lowly Wilmington until you're practically in it - which, OK, I can see.

QuoteBut this same fate befalls Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on November 14, 2015, 07:07:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.

There's also the fact that the road forks in Delaware and New York is the next major metro area encountered if using the NJT path.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2015, 07:22:39 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

Though Maryland once used "N J Turnpike," at least at the entrances to I-95 northbound on the JFK Highway part.  "Turnpike" was not abbreviated.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.

I am not good enough at sign design to know if it is acceptable, but could "Phila" or "Phila PA" be used to save on length?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: cl94 on November 14, 2015, 07:07:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.

There's also the fact that the road forks in Delaware and New York is the next major metro area encountered if using the NJT path.

But I-95 goes to Philly, and once the Bristol project is complete, will also go to New York.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on November 14, 2015, 09:21:15 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2015, 07:22:39 PM
I am not good enough at sign design to know if it is acceptable, but could "Phila" or "Phila PA" be used to save on length?

Not only that, but what's stopping them from using regular Series E or D even?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2015, 10:30:39 PM
It also goes to show what people get hung up on. Leaving NYC, it's rarely mentioned that Philadelphia should be a future control city on the NJ Turnpike/95 South. When it is mentioned, it's in combination with another city.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on November 14, 2015, 11:29:32 PM
Why can't you use "Long Island" as a control city? You're gonna be near the large tangle of roads and may end up on NJ 495 to I-495 on the New York side.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 15, 2015, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2015, 10:30:39 PM
It also goes to show what people get hung up on. Leaving NYC, it's rarely mentioned that Philadelphia should be a future control city on the NJ Turnpike/95 South. When it is mentioned, it's in combination with another city.

If going by the southbound mileage markers on the southbound mainline of the New Jersey Turnpike (since there few (if any) reassurance assemblies), the primary destination is Camden.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 12:44:27 PM
Baltimore Sun: Study: Future Bay Bridge additions would cost billions (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel/ph-ac-cn-baybridgestudy-traffic-1218-20151217-story.html)

QuoteImagine Bay Bridge traffic stretching 13 miles every day during the summer heading toward the Eastern Shore.

QuoteWould that change your beach plans?

QuoteA two-year state study released Thursday says this could be reality in 25 years, when motorists would face also mile-long lines in the off-season both Friday nights and Saturday afternoons.

QuoteEven the westbound traffic crossing the Chesapeake Bay could see three-mile daily backups in the summer and Sunday lines stretching 14 miles.

QuoteWhile the Maryland Transportation Authority's study determined both existing bridge spans are safe and can be maintained in good condition for the next 50 years, new construction may need to come sooner to relieve growing traffic pressures.

QuoteKeep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
QuoteKeep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 18, 2015, 05:10:49 PM
Make the new bridge Interstate Standard and extend 595 to exit 46! Then maybe it could be signposted (a big maybe).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 18, 2015, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
QuoteKeep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?
If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 07:31:19 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 18, 2015, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
QuoteKeep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?
If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.

Interesting.

Would look "funny," I think. 

Wonder if the outboard roadways be able to safely support a legal fully-loaded tractor-trailer combination?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 20, 2015, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 07:31:19 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 18, 2015, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
QuoteKeep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?
If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.

Interesting.

Would look "funny," I think. 

Wonder if the outboard roadways be able to safely support a legal fully-loaded tractor-trailer combination?
Check out the Williamsburg Bridge in NY for an example of outboard roadways. In that case, I believe trucks are required to stay on the inside. The Brooklyn Bridge also has them, though only one direction is used as a road. It's entirely specific to each structure as to what can be done.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on December 20, 2015, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 20, 2015, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 07:31:19 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 18, 2015, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
QuoteKeep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?
If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.

Interesting.

Would look "funny," I think. 

Wonder if the outboard roadways be able to safely support a legal fully-loaded tractor-trailer combination?
Check out the Williamsburg Bridge in NY for an example of outboard roadways. In that case, I believe trucks are required to stay on the inside. The Brooklyn Bridge also has them, though only one direction is used as a road. It's entirely specific to each structure as to what can be done.

Trucks must use the outside (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7115787,-73.9651593,3a,23.7y,290.19h,90.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMJanVwOd5Rnf2s3M8OPxdw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMJanVwOd5Rnf2s3M8OPxdw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D308.14731%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mariethefoxy on December 21, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on December 21, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on December 21, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on December 21, 2015, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on December 21, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

That and the bridges weren't designed for second decks. The GW and Verrazano were designed for two decks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2015, 10:06:15 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on December 21, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

I doubt it.  cl94's comment below is, I believe, correct.

Quote from: cl94 on December 21, 2015, 11:18:09 PM
That and the bridges weren't designed for second decks. The GW and Verrazano were designed for two decks.

Yeah, for starters, there is only one pair of suspension cables for each bridge.  The GWB and Verrazano Narrows have "double" cables (two on each side for a total of four), so they could hold-up that second deck.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2015, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

Though I suspect that might be easier than adding lanes at the suspension spans. 

All together, it is certainly less difficult and maybe even cheaper, just to build another span.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on December 22, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2015, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

Though I suspect that might be easier than adding lanes at the suspension spans. 

All together, it is certainly less difficult and maybe even cheaper, just to build another span.

I'd just say build a new bridge. Either do one new span and use both of the current spans for one direction or build a new span for both. In the former case, make it 4-5 lanes and widen US 50 west to I-97.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on December 22, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2015, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

Though I suspect that might be easier than adding lanes at the suspension spans. 

All together, it is certainly less difficult and maybe even cheaper, just to build another span.

I'd just say build a new bridge. Either do one new span and use both of the current spans for one direction or build a new span for both. In the former case, make it 4-5 lanes and widen US 50 west to I-97.
Then you have to widen the Severn River Bridge if you want to accomplish that. I'd rather just have it end at MD 2 at exit 23, and tell people to use MD 450 in times of congestion. Before anyone complains, as a reference this time I'm using an AADT map. US 50 traffic counts at the Severn River Bridge clocks in with 121,042 AADT. MD 450 Academy Bridge clocks in with 10,322 AADT. Dated 2014.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 22, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2015, 10:06:15 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on December 21, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

I doubt it.  cl94's comment below is, I believe, correct.

Quote from: cl94 on December 21, 2015, 11:18:09 PM
That and the bridges weren't designed for second decks. The GW and Verrazano were designed for two decks.

Yeah, for starters, there is only one pair of suspension cables for each bridge.  The GWB and Verrazano Narrows have "double" cables (two on each side for a total of four), so they could hold-up that second deck.

There's also minimum water navigation clearances that need to be adhered to.

The Ben Franklin (Suspension) Bridge added train tracks on the outside of the bridge about a decade after the bridge was built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on December 22, 2015, 03:21:36 PM
15 summer weekends (or something like that) between Memorial Day and Labor Day. Chiefly, Friday PM/Saturday AM going to the shore and Sunday PM coming back to mainland.

A new bridge isn't worth it for that narrow scope of congestion relief. They can deal with it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on December 22, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
I'd just say build a new bridge. Either do one new span and use both of the current spans for one direction or build a new span for both. In the former case, make it 4-5 lanes and widen US 50 west to I-97.

I think I've opined this in the past, but if they just (and I say "just" like it's some small undertaking or something) build a new 3-lane span with full shoulders, then reduce the existing spans by a lane for shoulder space -IMO one of the big issues with the current setup is the lack of shoulders-  so the vast majority of the time it would be 3 lanes in each direction (with the lane controls to modify that as needed).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on December 22, 2015, 10:39:30 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 22, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2015, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

Though I suspect that might be easier than adding lanes at the suspension spans. 

All together, it is certainly less difficult and maybe even cheaper, just to build another span.

I'd just say build a new bridge. Either do one new span and use both of the current spans for one direction or build a new span for both. In the former case, make it 4-5 lanes and widen US 50 west to I-97.
Then you have to widen the Severn River Bridge if you want to accomplish that. I'd rather just have it end at MD 2 at exit 23, and tell people to use MD 450 in times of congestion. Before anyone complains, as a reference this time I'm using an AADT map. US 50 traffic counts at the Severn River Bridge clocks in with 121,042 AADT. MD 450 Academy Bridge clocks in with 10,322 AADT. Dated 2014.
AADT measures nothing out of context. MD 450 can't handle that much more before Annapolis locks down.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 23, 2015, 12:00:54 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 22, 2015, 10:39:30 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 22, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2015, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

Though I suspect that might be easier than adding lanes at the suspension spans. 

All together, it is certainly less difficult and maybe even cheaper, just to build another span.

I'd just say build a new bridge. Either do one new span and use both of the current spans for one direction or build a new span for both. In the former case, make it 4-5 lanes and widen US 50 west to I-97.
Then you have to widen the Severn River Bridge if you want to accomplish that. I'd rather just have it end at MD 2 at exit 23, and tell people to use MD 450 in times of congestion. Before anyone complains, as a reference this time I'm using an AADT map. US 50 traffic counts at the Severn River Bridge clocks in with 121,042 AADT. MD 450 Academy Bridge clocks in with 10,322 AADT. Dated 2014.
AADT measures nothing out of context. MD 450 can't handle that much more before Annapolis locks down.

Md. 450 through Annapolis has very low capacity, given its route between Md. 2 (Parole, on the west side of Annapolis) and the Severn River (on the east side of town, near the Naval Academy).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2015, 02:05:05 PM
I believe that any expansion of the Bay Bridge with a new span, either in addition to or in replacement of an existing span, will have to be accompanied by the expansion or replacement of the Severn Memorial Bridge and the replacement of the MD 2 interchange. I don't see a scenario where expanding capacity at the Bay Bridge can't be accompanied by expansion of capacity at the Severn River.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on December 25, 2015, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2015, 02:05:05 PM
I believe that any expansion of the Bay Bridge with a new span, either in addition to or in replacement of an existing span, will have to be accompanied by the expansion or replacement of the Severn Memorial Bridge and the replacement of the MD 2 interchange. I don't see a scenario where expanding capacity at the Bay Bridge can't be accompanied by expansion of capacity at the Severn River.

I agree. They are both bottlenecks. If the Bay Bridge gets more than 6 lanes, the bottleneck will only move a couple miles west.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 30, 2015, 02:15:37 AM
Washington Post: Motorcyclists stop Beltway traffic, pop wheelies and drive the wrong way (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/12/28/motorcyclists-stop-beltway-traffic-pop-wheelies-and-drive-the-wrong-way/)

Police urged to crack down after bikers take over parts of Beltway, D.C. streets (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-urged-to-crack-down-after-bikers-take-over-parts-of-beltway-dc-streets/2015/12/29/03dcd18a-ae51-11e5-b711-1998289ffcea_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 07, 2016, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 30, 2015, 02:15:37 AM
Washington Post: Motorcyclists stop Beltway traffic, pop wheelies and drive the wrong way (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/12/28/motorcyclists-stop-beltway-traffic-pop-wheelies-and-drive-the-wrong-way/)

Police urged to crack down after bikers take over parts of Beltway, D.C. streets (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-urged-to-crack-down-after-bikers-take-over-parts-of-beltway-dc-streets/2015/12/29/03dcd18a-ae51-11e5-b711-1998289ffcea_story.html)

WTOP Radio: Troopers comb cellphone video in search for Beltway bikers (http://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2016/01/troopers-comb-cellphone-video-search-beltway-bikers/)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 08, 2016, 09:17:20 PM
Three construction projects out for bid that could be of interest:

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 10, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
The grade separation at MD 5 and MD 373 is very badly needed, so the sooner this contract is executed and construction begun, the better!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 11, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
IMO, an interchange at Surratts Rd should've been a higher priority than in Brandywine.  Both are needed, but I think Surratts would have been a better choice.

Quote from: cpzilliacusBeen waiting a lot time for this one to get funded - a grade-separated interchange at Md. 4 and the Suitland Parkway, near Joint Base Andrews, contract number PG6185170.

FTFY.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on January 11, 2016, 10:18:40 AM
Ugh I my pet project (I-270 at Watkins Mill Road) was supposed to go to bid.  But it's not:
QuoteConstruction is not anticipated to begin as previously scheduled. The bid opening for the I-270 at Watkins Mill Road Interchange contract (SHA contract # MO3515172) was cancelled in November 2015.
Currently SHA is considering scope changes resulting in significant construction cost savings for this interchange, and analyzing the best approach to deliver it in a timely fashion.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 11, 2016, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 11, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
IMO, an interchange at Surratts Rd should've been a higher priority than in Brandywine.  Both are needed, but I think Surratts would have been a better choice.

Have you been through there during peak commute periods?  I have, and it's bad, since Md. 5 is the way that nearly all of the traffic from Charles County wants to go (northbound) and comes from (southbound)..

Quote from: froggie on January 11, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacusBeen waiting a lot time for this one to get funded - a grade-separated interchange at Md. 4 and the Suitland Parkway, near Joint Base Andrews, contract number PG6185170.

FTFY.


Thank you.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 11, 2016, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus
QuoteQuote from: froggie on Today at 09:41:19 AM
IMO, an interchange at Surratts Rd should've been a higher priority than in Brandywine.  Both are needed, but I think Surratts would have been a better choice.

Have you been through there during peak commute periods?

Not in a couple years, but yes I have.  Which is why, as I recall, SHA widened the Brandywine signals to three lanes each direction along 5.  Not perfect, but it's more work than they've done at Surratts over the past decade.  Not to mention Surratts is where the hospital is.  That, IMO, gives more weight to Surratts than to Brandywine.  Furthermore, Surratts would be a natural extension of the existing freeway segment to the north.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 11, 2016, 10:04:58 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 11, 2016, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus
QuoteQuote from: froggie on Today at 09:41:19 AM
IMO, an interchange at Surratts Rd should've been a higher priority than in Brandywine.  Both are needed, but I think Surratts would have been a better choice.

Have you been through there during peak commute periods?

Not in a couple years, but yes I have.  Which is why, as I recall, SHA widened the Brandywine signals to three lanes each direction along 5.  Not perfect, but it's more work than they've done at Surratts over the past decade.  Not to mention Surratts is where the hospital is.  That, IMO, gives more weight to Surratts than to Brandywine.  Furthermore, Surratts would be a natural extension of the existing freeway segment to the north.

SHA's plans are to get rid of all of the at-grade signalized intersections between I-95 (Beltway) and U.S. 301 at T.B.  To some extent, this may have been a financial decision - they had the dollars available to do this project (even though it has a higher price tag) than the one at Southern Maryland Hospital), so that is why this is getting done.  I have seen similar logic at other SHA interchange projects along U.S. 29, Md. 97 and Md. 210 - and years ago, along Md. 32 between Fort Meade and Md. 108.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 14, 2016, 06:15:46 PM
Another one bites the dust!  :bigass:

http://governor.maryland.gov/2016/01/14/governor-hogan-joins-howard-county-executive-kittleman-to-announce-152-million-to-widen-md-32-to-i-70/

This is easily one of the most important collections of road projects in central MD that should have happened 15 years ago. Any forward progress that improves MD 32 and makes it safer is very welcome!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 14, 2016, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 14, 2016, 06:15:46 PM
Another one bites the dust!  :bigass:

http://governor.maryland.gov/2016/01/14/governor-hogan-joins-howard-county-executive-kittleman-to-announce-152-million-to-widen-md-32-to-i-70/

This is easily one of the most important collections of road projects in central MD that should have happened 15 years ago. Any forward progress that improves MD 32 and makes it safer is very welcome!

Good news.  Much of Md. 32 between I-70 and Md. 108 effectively functions as a Super-2 highway, even though it is not.  Also glad that they are looking to make improvements to 32 between I-70 and Md. 26 at Eldersburg.

There have been more than a few terrible crashes along this section of highway (really all the way from Md. 108 at Clarksville in the south to Md. 26 at Eldersburg in the north) over the years, because of the high speeds, plenty of truck traffic and lack of any barrier between opposing directions (except at the one new interchange at Burnt Woods Road in Glenelg). 

I recall that there was a lawsuit against doing the Md. 32 improvements some years ago in the state courts, but it was thrown out.

Baltimore Sun:  Hogan announces $152 million for Md. 32 improvements (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/lisbon-fulton/ph-cc-hogan-route-32-20160114-story.html)

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan unveiled a plan Thursday to spend $152 million on improvements to Md. 32, changes that Carroll and Howard county officials say could result in a major improvement in the quality of life for local commuters.

Quote"Md. 32 simply doesn't meet the needs of Marylanders, and they deserve better," Hogan, surrounded by officials from Howard and Carroll counties, said at the news conference, hosted at the State Highway Administration building in Dayton.

QuoteThe project will widen the stretch of Md. 32 – a major artery in the southeast Carroll and northern Howard County region – between Md. 108 and Interstate 70 from a two-lane road to a four-lane divided highway and study ways to widen the road and alleviate traffic north of I-70 and into Carroll County.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
Funny how he has no problem spending the gas tax increase that the previous administration and legislature implemented and that he opposed...

And something not mentioned in the press release:  whether the existing at-grade intersections (6) and driveways (15) will be removed as part of the widening.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on January 14, 2016, 06:53:32 PM
Damn... that says they're supposed to start Phase 1 this year.   That's diving right in.  Good on that.
Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
And something not mentioned in the press release:  whether the existing at-grade intersections (6) and driveways (15) will be removed as part of the widening.

I think the plans already made for this stretch have the at-grades & driveways eliminated - there were some documents out there that showed what the plans were.
I guess they could be changed and downgraded....
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 14, 2016, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on January 14, 2016, 06:53:32 PM
Damn... that says they're supposed to start Phase 1 this year.   That's diving right in.  Good on that.
Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
And something not mentioned in the press release:  whether the existing at-grade intersections (6) and driveways (15) will be removed as part of the widening.

I think the plans already made for this stretch have the at-grades & driveways eliminated - there were some documents out there that showed what the plans were.
I guess they could be changed and downgraded....

There are decade-old plans posted on the SHA Projects portal that show all six interchanges on MD 32 between MD 108 and I-70 (inclusive), as well as the new access roads that will be built to close the driveways. No such plans have been posted to the portal for the stretch between I-70 and MD 26 but if they do exist the ones for the Howard County segment will need to be built first since that is the most dangerous area.

Howard County should be close to completing their project on MD 32 just south of the county line, so that segment is already seeing some attention.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 14, 2016, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
Funny how he has no problem spending the gas tax increase that the previous administration and legislature implemented and that he opposed...

Chest-thumping. Maryland SHA and MTA-Maryland still do not have enough money to fund needed repairs.  And I am not even talking about the numerous bridges on the Capital Beltway that need to be re-decked or replaced, or the badly-needed widening of I-270 north of Clarksburg, or the dollars that WMATA needs to repair and rehabilitate its crumbling system (including railcar replacement and fixing the leaks in the Red Line tunnel in the vicinity of the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center).  Or the request for improvements at the American Legion Bridge (and the piers and pier caps on at least one of those bridges is in poor condition).

Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
And something not mentioned in the press release:  whether the existing at-grade intersections (6) and driveways (15) will be removed as part of the widening.

Between Md. 108 and Burnt Woods Road, there is only driveway, which leads to the SHA and Howard County maintenance facilities, which requires crossing that high-speed traffic at-grade.  I presume that it will be grade-separated. Howard County, in its 2015 priority letter (http://www.mdot.maryland.gov/Office_of_Planning_and_Capital_Programming/County_Priority_Letters/2015_Priority_Letters/Howard_County.pdf) to MDOT for the FY 2016-2021 Consolidated Transportation Program wrote (emphasis added):

Quote
  • MD 32 between MD108 and I-70. Howard County is committed to continuing safety improvements on Route 32, from MD 108 to Carroll County, our highest priority for safety improvements. We ask that the State fund the MD 32/Route 144 interchange for construction and continue to fund and construct access management improvements on MD32.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 15, 2016, 12:24:29 AM
NOT Fictional Highways - has there ever been a thought to an outer beltway connecting MD 32 around to MD 24?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 15, 2016, 03:16:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 15, 2016, 12:24:29 AM
NOT Fictional Highways - has there ever been a thought to an outer beltway connecting MD 32 around to MD 24?

I believe it was discussed, at some point years ago, when there was to be a Washington Outer Beltway and a Baltimore Outer Beltway (of which Md. 200 (ICC) and years earlier Md. 100 were the only freeway-class sections built, respectively).  A possible remnant (I have heard anecdotally) of such a project (or maybe a spur) may have been Md. 23 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Route_23) (the East-West Highway section) in Harford County.

EDIT:  Mike and Laura essentially confirm what I wrote about Md. 23 above here (http://www.mdroads.com/routes/022-039.html):

QuoteA new MD 23 was opened in 1965 from US 1 west to MD 165, 2-lane and partial limited access. Originally this was intended to be the Piedmont Expressway, a part of an outer belt for Baltimore, extending west into and across Baltimore County, crossing I-83 just south of MD 137, ending somewhere near Westminster, at an intended enhanced bypass for that town. I'm unsure if it was intended to carry MD 23 across the entirety of the Piedmont. It was a pipe-dream folly that never got a definitive alignment hammered down on a large scale map.

There was also some discussion of an east-west Super-2 (if not freeway) running from Westminster or Reisterstown.  Sections of such a road, in addition to Md. 23, can be seen in present-day Md. 140 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Route_140) (formerly Md. 97) between Taneytown and Westminster. At some point, the intention was to have a Super-2 type road running east and west from U.S. 15 at Emmitsburg and Md. 24 (or maybe I-95) in Harford County, and Md. 32 running (roughly) north and south from central Anne Arundel County (perhaps as far south as Annapolis) to Westminster. 

Some of Md. 32 was built as a Super-2 in Anne Arundel County (from Md. 178 in Crownsville (is I-97 now) to Md. 175 in Odenton) and in Howard County (from Md. 108 to Burnt Woods Road (Clarksville, Glenelg and Cooksville areas)), which hints of intent to make Md. 32 a contiguous Super-2.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 15, 2016, 09:25:18 PM
MD 23 was separate from MD 32.  The 1960s-era plan for today's MD 32 freeway had it continuing northwest to meet I-70 in the vicinity of the MD 97 interchange.

MD 23 would have tied into I-83 near Hereford and into MD 140 near Westminster.

The 1965 plan (which I have a rough photograph of the map) has nothing north-south between US 15 Frederick and what was then proposed as the Baltimore Outer Beltway (an extension of today's US 29 north of I-70).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 15, 2016, 10:02:16 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 15, 2016, 09:25:18 PM
MD 23 was separate from MD 32.  The 1960s-era plan for today's MD 32 freeway had it continuing northwest to meet I-70 in the vicinity of the MD 97 interchange.

MD 23 would have tied into I-83 near Hereford and into MD 140 near Westminster.

The 1965 plan (which I have a rough photograph of the map) has nothing north-south between US 15 Frederick and what was then proposed as the Baltimore Outer Beltway (an extension of today's US 29 north of I-70).

As I understand it, the plans for Md. 32 as a Super-2 go back to the 1950's, and (obviously) much of it was never constructed, though the design similarities between the sections in Anne Arundel, Howard and Carroll Counties was striking (little or nothing of the Super-2 section in Anne Arundel  County remains). 

There's also the matter of Md. 97 (New Washington Road), a "hidden" almost-Super-2 between its intersections at Md. 26 (Liberty Road) and Md. 32 (between I-70 and Md. 26 it is a deficient road, especially where it crosses the Patapsco River and the CSX Old Mainline railroad).  I assume that this improved road was intended to run south across Howard and Montgomery Counties, but there has not been much in the way improvements to Md. 97 between Brookeville in Montgomery County and Md. 26.  Did the Maryland State Roads Commission (SRC) consider routing Md. 32 northwest of its existing alignment from Sykesville to the present-day junction of 32 and 26?  I have never seen evidence of that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 16, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
I never understood why MD 97 between MD 26 and the old MD 540 in Westminster wasn't fully upgraded into a Super-2, nor why MD 32 between I-70 and MD 851 wasn't similarly upgraded. I'm guessing that the SRC/SHA never studied those roads with the expectation that they would become the transport corridors that they are today.

I really hope that the Triadelphia Road bridge can be replaced quickly. It's so deficient that it's almost scary to use.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 16, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
I never understood why MD 97 between MD 26 and the old MD 540 in Westminster wasn't fully upgraded into a Super-2, nor why MD 32 between I-70 and MD 851 wasn't similarly upgraded. I'm guessing that the SRC/SHA never studied those roads with the expectation that they would become the transport corridors that they are today.

I really hope that the Triadelphia Road bridge can be replaced quickly. It's so deficient that it's almost scary to use.

Md. 97 north of Md. 26 is an "almost" Super-2 (two or three intersections at-grade, not one private driveway).  Unusual for Maryland, it is a two-lane undivided highway with a posted speed limit of 55 MPH.

I believe that SHA will be looking at what to do with Md. 32 between I-70 and Md. 26 (not just to 851 south of Sykesville).

The bridge that carries Triadelphia Road over Md. 32 in Glenelg is indeed pretty ancient. It dates to the reconstruction of 32 between Md. 108 and Burnt Woods Road. It was for a long time the only road crossing that section of 32 that did not have an at-grade intersection, and the bridge is rather unusual in that steel "I" beams were used instead of concrete pillars to support its one pier cap (GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2639956,-76.9848086,3a,75y,29.61h,71.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sW29htRHQOvz-AMVBWRR2ww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)). Not sure I have ever seen anything like it anywhere else on the state-maintained highway network in Maryland.

Added note about this section of Md. 32 - it has one of the first "virtual" weigh stations in the state (GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2635068,-76.9846679,3a,75y,248.46h,78.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shUTQWyPvoFOShXxljnabvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)), which the State Police use to identify and stop overweight trucks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on January 17, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
Md. 97 north of Md. 26 is an "almost" Super-2 (two or three intersections at-grade, not one private driveway).  Unusual for Maryland, it is a two-lane undivided highway with a posted speed limit of 55 MPH.

The Eastern Shore has a few 2-lane undivided 55 mph roads  (much of MD 213 from just south of Chesapeake City to U.S. 50; MD 291 between Chestertown and U.S. 301; MD 404 between the east end of the dual carriageway and the DE line where it drops to 50).

The only 55 mph 2-lane road in New Jersey OTOH that I've been on has been NJ 72 between NJ 70 and the outskirts of Manahawkin.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on January 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: ixnay on January 17, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
Md. 97 north of Md. 26 is an "almost" Super-2 (two or three intersections at-grade, not one private driveway).  Unusual for Maryland, it is a two-lane undivided highway with a posted speed limit of 55 MPH.

The Eastern Shore has a few 2-lane undivided 55 mph roads  (much of MD 213 from just south of Chesapeake City to U.S. 50; MD 291 between Chestertown and U.S. 301; MD 404 between the east end of the dual carriageway and the DE line where it drops to 50).

I will add in a few more two lane undivided roads. MD 234 in Charles and Saint Mary's Counties, US 219 in Garrett County between Oakland and Keyser's Ridge (excluding the Deep Creek Lake area and Accident), and US 15 between US 340 and Point of Rocks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on January 17, 2016, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: ixnay on January 17, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
Md. 97 north of Md. 26 is an "almost" Super-2 (two or three intersections at-grade, not one private driveway).  Unusual for Maryland, it is a two-lane undivided highway with a posted speed limit of 55 MPH.

The Eastern Shore has a few 2-lane undivided 55 mph roads  (much of MD 213 from just south of Chesapeake City to U.S. 50; MD 291 between Chestertown and U.S. 301; MD 404 between the east end of the dual carriageway and the DE line where it drops to 50).

The only 55 mph 2-lane road in New Jersey OTOH that I've been on has been NJ 72 between NJ 70 and the outskirts of Manahawkin.

ixnay
Ocean County, NJ CR 539 is 2 Lane 55 mph .  it's mostly Pinelands Preserve
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 18, 2016, 07:57:44 AM
Quote from: mattpedersen on January 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: ixnay on January 17, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
Md. 97 north of Md. 26 is an "almost" Super-2 (two or three intersections at-grade, not one private driveway).  Unusual for Maryland, it is a two-lane undivided highway with a posted speed limit of 55 MPH.

The Eastern Shore has a few 2-lane undivided 55 mph roads  (much of MD 213 from just south of Chesapeake City to U.S. 50; MD 291 between Chestertown and U.S. 301; MD 404 between the east end of the dual carriageway and the DE line where it drops to 50).

I will add in a few more two lane undivided roads. MD 234 in Charles and Saint Mary's Counties, US 219 in Garrett County between Oakland and Keyser's Ridge (excluding the Deep Creek Lake area and Accident), and US 15 between US 340 and Point of Rocks.

The remaining 2-lane segments of US 113 are also 55 MPH.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 18, 2016, 08:28:16 AM
Quote from: froggie on January 18, 2016, 07:57:44 AM
Quote from: mattpedersen on January 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: ixnay on January 17, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
Md. 97 north of Md. 26 is an "almost" Super-2 (two or three intersections at-grade, not one private driveway).  Unusual for Maryland, it is a two-lane undivided highway with a posted speed limit of 55 MPH.

The Eastern Shore has a few 2-lane undivided 55 mph roads  (much of MD 213 from just south of Chesapeake City to U.S. 50; MD 291 between Chestertown and U.S. 301; MD 404 between the east end of the dual carriageway and the DE line where it drops to 50).

I will add in a few more two lane undivided roads. MD 234 in Charles and Saint Mary's Counties, US 219 in Garrett County between Oakland and Keyser's Ridge (excluding the Deep Creek Lake area and Accident), and US 15 between US 340 and Point of Rocks.

The remaining 2-lane segments of US 113 are also 55 MPH.

There is also a short segment of MD 17 near Burkittsville that is undivided and posted at 55mph.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on January 18, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
At least in western Maryland, the distinction between 50mph and 55mph speed limits seems to depend on whether the road has full width shoulders. South of Oakland, US 219 has full width shoulders for several miles and a 55 speed limit. When the shoulders narrow, the speed limit drops to 50.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on January 18, 2016, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 14, 2016, 09:47:23 PM
There are decade-old plans posted on the SHA Projects portal that show all six interchanges on MD 32 between MD 108 and I-70 (inclusive), as well as the new access roads that will be built to close the driveways.
What I wonder about is, how would a full interchange with I-70 in West Friendship be built?  Since no movements justify a flyover AFAIK (although there were some rather long backups to make a left turn to the I-70 WB on-ramp before the traffic signal was installed), I would think a full cloverleaf would be the way to go.  But then the NB diamond on-ramp to MD-32 from MD-144 would be too close to the new I-70 EB on-ramp, or else the EB->NB loop ramp would be too tight.  Same with the corresponding SB situation. Would CD-lanes, or even a zipper lane with a slip-ramp, be a little overkill for that location?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 18, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on January 18, 2016, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 14, 2016, 09:47:23 PM
There are decade-old plans posted on the SHA Projects portal that show all six interchanges on MD 32 between MD 108 and I-70 (inclusive), as well as the new access roads that will be built to close the driveways.
What I wonder about is, how would a full interchange with I-70 in West Friendship be built?  Since no movements justify a flyover AFAIK (although there were some rather long backups to make a left turn to the I-70 WB on-ramp before the traffic signal was installed), I would think a full cloverleaf would be the way to go.  But then the NB diamond on-ramp to MD-32 from MD-144 would be too close to the new I-70 EB on-ramp, or else the EB->NB loop ramp would be too tight.  Same with the corresponding SB situation. Would CD-lanes, or even a zipper lane with a slip-ramp, be a little overkill for that location?

The interchange at I-70 and Md. 32, like the rest of them from Ijamsville to Marriottsville, date from the mid-1970's, when U.S. 40 was "upgraded in place" from a four lane arterial to the six lane freeway there today.

It clearly needs upgrading to eliminate the at-grade movements across the opposite direction of traffic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on January 18, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on January 18, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
At least in western Maryland, the distinction between 50mph and 55mph speed limits seems to depend on whether the road has full width shoulders. South of Oakland, US 219 has full width shoulders for several miles and a 55 speed limit. When the shoulders narrow, the speed limit drops to 50.
Also south of the shoulder drop on 219, the road geometrics are not as robust, hence the speed limit drop.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 19, 2016, 11:28:34 PM
Quote from: mattpedersen on January 18, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on January 18, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
At least in western Maryland, the distinction between 50mph and 55mph speed limits seems to depend on whether the road has full width shoulders. South of Oakland, US 219 has full width shoulders for several miles and a 55 speed limit. When the shoulders narrow, the speed limit drops to 50.
Also south of the shoulder drop on 219, the road geometrics are not as robust, hence the speed limit drop.

South of the intersection at U.S. 50, U.S. 219 is much more of a rural minor arterial.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 20, 2016, 09:02:18 PM
Speaking of speed limits, did they ever post 70 anywhere other than I-68? I haven't spent much time in Maryland the past few months.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 20, 2016, 09:23:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2016, 09:02:18 PM
Speaking of speed limits, did they ever post 70 anywhere other than I-68? I haven't spent much time in Maryland the past few months.

Not that I have seen or heard.  I drove west from Baltimore right before Thanksgiving and only I-68 was up to 70 MPH.  I wouldn't expect anything more until spring/summer at the earliest.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 20, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
As of 2 weekends ago, 95 between the Beltways and 83 north of Timonium were still 65 MPH.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 21, 2016, 07:46:34 AM
Thanks to both of you. I never expected I-95 between the Beltways to be increased. Maybe east of the Susquehanna, but that's about all on that road.

WTOP this morning says the Beltway is a sheet of ice a quarter-inch thick on the hill past the casino construction near National Harbor. Ugh. My office closed early last night due to a computer network crash. Maybe that was a blessing in disguise: I got home before the traffic began, and now today I got an unexpected day off because they haven't been able to fix it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 21, 2016, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2016, 07:46:34 AM
Thanks to both of you. I never expected I-95 between the Beltways to be increased. Maybe east of the Susquehanna, but that's about all on that road.

WTOP this morning says the Beltway is a sheet of ice a quarter-inch thick on the hill past the casino construction near National Harbor. Ugh. My office closed early last night due to a computer network crash. Maybe that was a blessing in disguise: I got home before the traffic began, and now today I got an unexpected day off because they haven't been able to fix it.

How could they be this under-prepared for the snow that was FORECASTED TO COME THRU last night??
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 21, 2016, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 20, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
As of 2 weekends ago, 95 between the Beltways and 83 north of Timonium were still 65 MPH.

The Between the Beltways part of I-95 has a design speed of 70 or maybe 75, but it opened at about the time that the NMSL was imposed, so it never had a limit higher than 55 MPH until the Glendening Administration, when it was increased to the current 65 MPH.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 21, 2016, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 21, 2016, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2016, 07:46:34 AM
Thanks to both of you. I never expected I-95 between the Beltways to be increased. Maybe east of the Susquehanna, but that's about all on that road.

WTOP this morning says the Beltway is a sheet of ice a quarter-inch thick on the hill past the casino construction near National Harbor. Ugh. My office closed early last night due to a computer network crash. Maybe that was a blessing in disguise: I got home before the traffic began, and now today I got an unexpected day off because they haven't been able to fix it.

How could they be this under-prepared for the snow that was FORECASTED TO COME THRU last night??

That's a very good question. Hopefully it's just a sign they were so focused on tomorrow's anticipated storm that they underestimated it.


Edited to add–Here is the statement Arlington County released:

QuoteBased on weather predictions, we, and the entire region, underestimated the amount of yesterday's snow, and the ice that came with it. Our crews began pre-treating some streets with brine, in anticipation of tomorrow's expected blizzard. They did not get to all of them before the snow began to fall, and it is not clear that the brine helped, due to the very cold roadways, heavy traffic and heavier-than-expected snow. Across the region, crews were caught by surprise.

Our crews switched to salt, but many of the main roads owned and maintained by VDOT, as well as our neighborhood streets–and streets across the region–became slick and treacherous. Traffic jams on main streets made it difficult for crews to work. Our crews were out all night, treating main roads and streets to schools. We will continue to work on the roads today, and through the coming snow event. We know that it was a scary and frustrating night for our residents.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 27, 2016, 06:27:57 PM
Baltimore Sun: Baltimore, CSX reach $1.2 million settlement in E. 26th Street collapse (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-csx-settlement-20160127-story.html)

QuoteMore than 20 Baltimore families will share $1.2 million as compensation for the East 26th Street collapse in 2014.

QuoteThe city's spending panel voted 5-0 Wednesday to approve the settlement. The cost will be shared by CSX Transportation and the city.

QuoteThe collapse displaced residents along the Charles Village block after a retaining wall that held the street above railroad tracks fell following intense rains that April. Residents hired a team of lawyers in August 2014 and asked the city to negotiate compensation.

QuoteCSX will pay $700,000 and the city will pay $467,000.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on January 29, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 16, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
I never understood why MD 97 between MD 26 and the old MD 540 in Westminster wasn't fully upgraded into a Super-2, nor why MD 32 between I-70 and MD 851 wasn't similarly upgraded. I'm guessing that the SRC/SHA never studied those roads with the expectation that they would become the transport corridors that they are today.

I really hope that the Triadelphia Road bridge can be replaced quickly. It's so deficient that it's almost scary to use.

The reason MD 97 stopped being improved was because Eisenhower left office.  MD 97 was improved because it was a backup route for Eisenhower to get to his farm in Gettysburg [Primary route was US-240 (now I-270) to US-15]  It was being improved is sections with the sections from Westminster to 26 and some minor improvements in Montgomery and Howard County and nortwest of Westminster to Emmitsburg.  Remember before the 'big route number swap' in the (I believe) late 70s when MD(ex US)-140 north of Westminster to Littlestown became MD-97 and MD-97 from Westminster to Emmitsburg became MD-140.

When Eisenhower left office the improvement program ended abruptly.  MD-97 near the Carroll /Howard County line (where it crossed the B&O (CSX) tracks was still dirt up til Hurricane Agnes came through in 1972 and ripped that entire valley up.  As part of the 'repair the road was finally strightened and paved up the hill on the Carroll  County side and improved and paved on the Howard County side.  much later the complete overpass/underpass interchange at MD-26.  Before that when going south you looped under MD-26 went up the ramp onto 26 went west maybe a few hundred yards then turned left back onto MD-97.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 29, 2016, 06:39:04 PM
Quote from: bsmart on January 29, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 16, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
I never understood why MD 97 between MD 26 and the old MD 540 in Westminster wasn't fully upgraded into a Super-2, nor why MD 32 between I-70 and MD 851 wasn't similarly upgraded. I'm guessing that the SRC/SHA never studied those roads with the expectation that they would become the transport corridors that they are today.

I really hope that the Triadelphia Road bridge can be replaced quickly. It's so deficient that it's almost scary to use.

The reason MD 97 stopped being improved was because Eisenhower left office.  MD 97 was improved because it was a backup route for Eisenhower to get to his farm in Gettysburg [Primary route was US-240 (now I-270) to US-15]  It was being improved is sections with the sections from Westminster to 26 and some minor improvements in Montgomery and Howard County and nortwest of Westminster to Emmitsburg.  Remember before the 'big route number swap' in the (I believe) late 70s when MD(ex US)-140 north of Westminster to Littlestown became MD-97 and MD-97 from Westminster to Emmitsburg became MD-140.

That Eisenhower angle is interesting and makes plenty of sense. 

The routing of former U.S. 140 (north to Gettysburg) is something I remember well, as well as the swap with Md. 97. 

Quote from: bsmart on January 29, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
When Eisenhower left office the improvement program ended abruptly. 

Also makes sense that the work stopped after Ike left office, though improvements to Md. 97 and former U.S. 140 would still have been useful as a backup route to get presidents (and their guests) to Camp David, though these days the road route via I-270 is a backup to transport by Marine One.

Quote from: bsmart on January 29, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
MD-97 near the Carroll /Howard County line (where it crossed the B&O (CSX) tracks was still dirt up til Hurricane Agnes came through in 1972 and ripped that entire valley up.  As part of the 'repair the road was finally strightened and paved up the hill on the Carroll  County side and improved and paved on the Howard County side.  much later the complete overpass/underpass interchange at MD-26.  Before that when going south you looped under MD-26 went up the ramp onto 26 went west maybe a few hundred yards then turned left back onto MD-97.

I read someplace that CSX had considered an abandonment of most or all of the B&O's Old Mainline between Relay in Baltimore County and Frederick, after the damage inflicted by the floodwaters of Agnes, but decided that it was worthwhile to make repairs over several years (supposedly there were no railroad signals for quite some time along the line).

I remember riding that way once or twice when it was still dirt/gravel (it was before I was licensed).  Even now, the alignment and grades are not very good.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on January 29, 2016, 11:23:10 PM
Speaking of Camp David, GSV has imagery of one of their cars being pulled over near the gate (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6471172,-77.4442969,3a,49.9y,12.2h,84.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0-Y6M1xZmC79OtouXDORQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Scroll down to see the car turn into a parking lot.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 18, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on January 18, 2016, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 14, 2016, 09:47:23 PM
There are decade-old plans posted on the SHA Projects portal that show all six interchanges on MD 32 between MD 108 and I-70 (inclusive), as well as the new access roads that will be built to close the driveways.
What I wonder about is, how would a full interchange with I-70 in West Friendship be built?  Since no movements justify a flyover AFAIK (although there were some rather long backups to make a left turn to the I-70 WB on-ramp before the traffic signal was installed), I would think a full cloverleaf would be the way to go.  But then the NB diamond on-ramp to MD-32 from MD-144 would be too close to the new I-70 EB on-ramp, or else the EB->NB loop ramp would be too tight.  Same with the corresponding SB situation. Would CD-lanes, or even a zipper lane with a slip-ramp, be a little overkill for that location?

The interchange at I-70 and Md. 32, like the rest of them from Ijamsville to Marriottsville, date from the mid-1970's, when U.S. 40 was "upgraded in place" from a four lane arterial to the six lane freeway there today.

It clearly needs upgrading to eliminate the at-grade movements across the opposite direction of traffic.

The plans posted to the SHA projects portal (which aren't posted there right now) indicated that the existing interchange would be upgraded into a six-ramp parclo with loop ramps in the NE and SW quadrants.

Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 29, 2016, 06:39:04 PM
Quote from: bsmart on January 29, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 16, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
I never understood why MD 97 between MD 26 and the old MD 540 in Westminster wasn't fully upgraded into a Super-2, nor why MD 32 between I-70 and MD 851 wasn't similarly upgraded. I'm guessing that the SRC/SHA never studied those roads with the expectation that they would become the transport corridors that they are today.

I really hope that the Triadelphia Road bridge can be replaced quickly. It's so deficient that it's almost scary to use.

The reason MD 97 stopped being improved was because Eisenhower left office.  MD 97 was improved because it was a backup route for Eisenhower to get to his farm in Gettysburg [Primary route was US-240 (now I-270) to US-15]  It was being improved is sections with the sections from Westminster to 26 and some minor improvements in Montgomery and Howard County and nortwest of Westminster to Emmitsburg.  Remember before the 'big route number swap' in the (I believe) late 70s when MD(ex US)-140 north of Westminster to Littlestown became MD-97 and MD-97 from Westminster to Emmitsburg became MD-140.

That Eisenhower angle is interesting and makes plenty of sense. 

The routing of former U.S. 140 (north to Gettysburg) is something I remember well, as well as the swap with Md. 97. 

Quote from: bsmart on January 29, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
When Eisenhower left office the improvement program ended abruptly. 

Also makes sense that the work stopped after Ike left office, though improvements to Md. 97 and former U.S. 140 would still have been useful as a backup route to get presidents (and their guests) to Camp David, though these days the road route via I-270 is a backup to transport by Marine One.

Quote from: bsmart on January 29, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
MD-97 near the Carroll /Howard County line (where it crossed the B&O (CSX) tracks was still dirt up til Hurricane Agnes came through in 1972 and ripped that entire valley up.  As part of the 'repair the road was finally strightened and paved up the hill on the Carroll  County side and improved and paved on the Howard County side.  much later the complete overpass/underpass interchange at MD-26.  Before that when going south you looped under MD-26 went up the ramp onto 26 went west maybe a few hundred yards then turned left back onto MD-97.

I read someplace that CSX had considered an abandonment of most or all of the B&O's Old Mainline between Relay in Baltimore County and Frederick, after the damage inflicted by the floodwaters of Agnes, but decided that it was worthwhile to make repairs over several years (supposedly there were no railroad signals for quite some time along the line).

I remember riding that way once or twice when it was still dirt/gravel (it was before I was licensed).  Even now, the alignment and grades are not very good.


I have also read in various places that the B&O planned to abandon the Old Main Line after Agnes and that the state intended to turn it into a rail trail.

Fixing the segment of MD 97 that crosses the South Branch and the Old Main Line at the county lines will be difficult, as the presence of a large closed landfill on the Carroll County side restricts alignment options to the west. That segment needs fixing though; that part of MD 97 is a secret commuter route that allows people to bypass the congestion of MD 32 and reach Carroll County more easily.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
I have also read in various places that the B&O planned to abandon the Old Main Line after Agnes and that the state intended to turn it into a rail trail.

Glad they did not - even though it has limits, it serves as a useful bypass of the CSX Metropolitan and Capital Subdivisions for freight trains from points west headed to Baltimore and provides a degree of network redundancy for CSX and its customers.  I have seen CSX trains using the Old Mainline carrying heavy equipment and new cars in auto racks on several occasions (though the new cars could also be headed to the large intermodal terminal in Jessup, though it is a challenge to get a train from the junction (at Relay) with the OML and the Capital Sub (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Relay,+Arbutus,+MD+21227/@39.2233264,-76.7132338,400m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c81d928a79bb97:0x6d3b22f3bdb2e3ad!6m1!1e1) to "turn" from eastbound OML to go south on the Capital).

Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
Fixing the segment of MD 97 that crosses the South Branch and the Old Main Line at the county lines will be difficult, as the presence of a large closed landfill on the Carroll County side restricts alignment options to the west. That segment needs fixing though; that part of MD 97 is a secret commuter route that allows people to bypass the congestion of MD 32 and reach Carroll County more easily.

Agreed.  Everyone is fortunate that the Old Main Line is only one track, which effectively limits the amount of railroad traffic there.  Still, I wonder how many crashes between railroad traffic and highway traffic have happened there over the years, as it is at the bottom of a fairly steep grade on both sides.  I find it revealing that both of the steel posts on which the railroad crossing signals (no gates) are mounted are protected by guardrails (see GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3529796,-77.0156682,3a,75y,20.08h,64.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLTrC-vIchtvSfXgieOaiQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)).

Regarding the secret commuter route, yes, there are a lot of people that have leapfrogged the high home prices and restrictive land use controls of Howard and Montgomery Counties and moved to Carroll County for the single-family detached home that they cannot afford further south.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 31, 2016, 08:35:47 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
I have also read in various places that the B&O planned to abandon the Old Main Line after Agnes and that the state intended to turn it into a rail trail.

Glad they did not - even though it has limits, it serves as a useful bypass of the CSX Metropolitan and Capital Subdivisions for freight trains from points west headed to Baltimore and provides a degree of network redundancy for CSX and its customers.  I have seen CSX trains using the Old Mainline carrying heavy equipment and new cars in auto racks on several occasions (though the new cars could also be headed to the large intermodal terminal in Jessup, though it is a challenge to get a train from the junction (at Relay) with the OML and the Capital Sub (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Relay,+Arbutus,+MD+21227/@39.2233264,-76.7132338,400m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c81d928a79bb97:0x6d3b22f3bdb2e3ad!6m1!1e1) to "turn" from eastbound OML to go south on the Capital).

I agree completely. Had the OML been abandoned in this fashion, I suspect that rail service by CSX in central Maryland would be very poor today. I am surprised that the OML isn't more heavily used than it already is, and I wonder if there will be any efforts to restore it to double track and eliminate some of the grade crossings.

Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 30, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
Fixing the segment of MD 97 that crosses the South Branch and the Old Main Line at the county lines will be difficult, as the presence of a large closed landfill on the Carroll County side restricts alignment options to the west. That segment needs fixing though; that part of MD 97 is a secret commuter route that allows people to bypass the congestion of MD 32 and reach Carroll County more easily.

Agreed.  Everyone is fortunate that the Old Main Line is only one track, which effectively limits the amount of railroad traffic there.  Still, I wonder how many crashes between railroad traffic and highway traffic have happened there over the years, as it is at the bottom of a fairly steep grade on both sides.  I find it revealing that both of the steel posts on which the railroad crossing signals (no gates) are mounted are protected by guardrails (see GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3529796,-77.0156682,3a,75y,20.08h,64.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLTrC-vIchtvSfXgieOaiQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)).

Regarding the secret commuter route, yes, there are a lot of people that have leapfrogged the high home prices and restrictive land use controls of Howard and Montgomery Counties and moved to Carroll County for the single-family detached home that they cannot afford further south.

Indeed, and a lot of people live there to avoid the overcrowding and to have better access to rural amenities, including the Patapsco River. The segment at the MD 97 crossing is very scenic and bridging it will require a lengthy bridge built in the style of the MD 200 bridges to minimize impact.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on January 31, 2016, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 29, 2016, 06:39:04 PM

I remember riding that way once or twice when it was still dirt/gravel (it was before I was licensed).  Even now, the alignment and grades are not very good.

If you think they are not good now you would have hated what they were before especially on the Carroll County side!  Narrow twisty and steep.  Also from heavy breaking on the dirt/gravel it was very much a washboard.  That was the only thing that probably kept the number of accidents down, you couldn't go fast enough to get in real trouble.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 31, 2016, 09:09:24 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 31, 2016, 08:35:47 AM
Indeed, and a lot of people live there to avoid the overcrowding and to have better access to rural amenities, including the Patapsco River. The segment at the MD 97 crossing is very scenic and bridging it will require a lengthy bridge built in the style of the MD 200 bridges to minimize impact.

This is a living reason why the Smart Growth doctrine that more than a few Maryland elected officials have long promoted does not work in the long run - there is nothing to stop leapfrog development, either to counties like Carroll where there is a lot of hostility to such policies, or to a nearby state, such as Pennsylvania or West Virginia, where there is little in the way of Smart Growth.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 05, 2016, 07:07:59 PM
Washington Post: Md. lawmaker wants to lower penalty for late toll payments (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2016/02/05/md-lawmaker-wants-to-lower-penalty-for-late-toll-payments/)

QuoteA Maryland lawmaker thinks the state is sticking motorists with too stiff a penalty for failing to pay toll bills before the 30-day deadline.

QuoteMaryland Del. Alfred C. Carr Jr. (D-Montgomery) introduced a bill in the General Assembly this week that would lower the late penalty from $50 per violation to $25. Carr said he's heard from numerous constituents upset that they got stuck with the late fee because the initial bill got buried in their stack of mail or it was sent to the wrong address.

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority mails toll bills as part of its "video tolling,"  which the state implemented at all of its eight toll facilities in 2011. If a vehicle passes through a toll booth without the driver paying cash or having an E-ZPass transponder, a camera photographs the vehicle and license plate, and the authority mails a bill to the vehicle's registered owner.

QuoteVehicle owners also might receive a "notice of toll due"  if they didn't have enough money in their E-ZPass account, the credit card on file had expired or the E-ZPass transponder wasn't mounted properly, according to the authority's website.

QuoteKelly Melhem, a spokeswoman for the Maryland Transportation Authority, said people have 30 days to pay the toll notice before the $50 penalty kicks in.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2016, 07:41:06 PM
Baltimore Sun: Baltimore considers replacing Hanover Street Bridge (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-hanover-bridge-20160209-story.html)

QuoteBaltimore's spending panel approved a $1 million, four-year contract with a consultant to study whether the city should repair or replace the aging Hanover Street Bridge in South Baltimore.

QuoteUsing a federal grant, the city plans to hire AECOM Technical Services Inc. to study the bridge, which is nearly 100 years old and a main route to get to the Port of Baltimore. Residents frequently complain that the bridge is riddled with potholes.

QuoteThe study will "create a plan to identify feasible methods of rehabilitating or replacing the Hanover Street Bridge," according to the agenda for the Board of Estimates, which voted to approve the deal Wednesday.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
QuoteThe study will "create a plan to identify feasible methods of rehabilitating or replacing the Hanover Street Bridge," according to the agenda for the Board of Estimates, which voted to approve the deal Wednesday.

This is an attractive bridge, and it would (IMO) be a mistake to replace it, but a great idea to rehabilitate it, probably including a full deck replacement.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on February 11, 2016, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
QuoteThe study will "create a plan to identify feasible methods of rehabilitating or replacing the Hanover Street Bridge," according to the agenda for the Board of Estimates, which voted to approve the deal Wednesday.

This is an attractive bridge, and it would (IMO) be a mistake to replace it, but a great idea to rehabilitate it, probably including a full deck replacement.
Why this isn't on the historic places register is beyond me. New York's Brooklyn Bridge is over 130 years old, and it's still well-maintained.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on February 11, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 11, 2016, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 10, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
QuoteThe study will "create a plan to identify feasible methods of rehabilitating or replacing the Hanover Street Bridge," according to the agenda for the Board of Estimates, which voted to approve the deal Wednesday.

This is an attractive bridge, and it would (IMO) be a mistake to replace it, but a great idea to rehabilitate it, probably including a full deck replacement.
Why this isn't on the historic places register is beyond me. New York's Brooklyn Bridge is over 130 years old, and it's still well-maintained.

Heh.  NYSDOT and NYCDOT throw millions at the Brooklyn Bridge quite often to keep it "well-maintained" within the restrictions of its landmark status.  I've heard a lot of grumbling about it, actually.  There are those that feel that the landmark status keeps more cost-effective solutions from being implemented, but I'm fuzzy on the particulars of what they're ideas actually are.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 11, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
Why will it take 4 years to get results?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on February 11, 2016, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 11, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
Why will it take 4 years to get results?
I commented on the same thing on Facebook. This should take no more than a year I would think.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 11, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
Heh.  NYSDOT and NYCDOT throw millions at the Brooklyn Bridge quite often to keep it "well-maintained" within the restrictions of its landmark status.  I've heard a lot of grumbling about it, actually.  There are those that feel that the landmark status keeps more cost-effective solutions from being implemented, but I'm fuzzy on the particulars of what they're ideas actually are.

IMO, the Brooklyn Bridge, along with the other "free" bridges over the East River, ought to be tolled, and maintenance responsibility should be with (or at least funded by) the New York MTA.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on February 11, 2016, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 11, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
Heh.  NYSDOT and NYCDOT throw millions at the Brooklyn Bridge quite often to keep it "well-maintained" within the restrictions of its landmark status.  I've heard a lot of grumbling about it, actually.  There are those that feel that the landmark status keeps more cost-effective solutions from being implemented, but I'm fuzzy on the particulars of what they're ideas actually are.

IMO, the Brooklyn Bridge, along with the other "free" bridges over the East River, ought to be tolled, and maintenance responsibility should be with (or at least funded by) the New York MTA.

That will never happen with the current situation in Albany. Most city officials and residents want it (money, encourage transit use), but it has to be approved by the state and it will be DOA in Albany, mainly because of the GOP leadership. The majority of people in the City who don't want it live in eastern Queens.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 11, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 11, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
Why will it take 4 years to get results?
Because that's what the agency is willing to pay and consultants aren't going to talk them into less.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 11, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 11, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 11, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
Why will it take 4 years to get results?
Because that's what the agency is willing to pay and consultants aren't going to talk them into less.

That is almost certainly correct.  Baltimore City is nearly always strapped for cash.

The amount of work that the consultant has to do is probably significant (according to the story below, it will cost the city about $700,000, with federal money paying for the rest of it), and I suspect strongly that the city has to spread it out over several budget years to pay for all of it  (though $700,000 does not seem like that much).

A story on the WBAL-TV (Channel 11) site from last year is here (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/fix-for-hanover-street-bridge-could-be-years-away/34323576).

Relevant quotes:

QuoteThe National Bridge Registry considers the bridge functionally obsolete and rates its condition as fair. The surface is plagued by potholes that, even when they're filled, give motorists a bone-jarring experience.

Quote"I know every time I go over the bridge, it messes up my tires, and I actually had to get a new car because of the bridge," said Regina Caine, a commuter.

QuoteThe city spends $500,000 to $600,000 a year on maintenance for the bridge. City officials estimate it could cost as much as $150 million to replace it.

QuoteScott Weaver, the chief of bridge engineering in Baltimore City, said the city won't make the decision to repair or replace the bridge alone. It will hire a consultant to conduct a study, and that will take time and cost $1.8 million.

Quote"We want to do the best we can with the money we have. When you talk about the cost of replacing these bridges, it's not Monopoly money. This is real money," Weaver said.

QuoteThe federal government will help with the cost. In September, federal officials declared Baltimore eligible for a $1.1 million grant to help pay for the study. The city will chip in another $700,000. Yet the 11 News I-Team discovered nearly a year later, the study hasn't even begun.

QuoteThe target date to begin the study is next spring. It will look at a 1.4-mile corridor of Hanover Street, including the bridge, and it will also assess development, transportation, education and recreation opportunities in that area.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on February 12, 2016, 07:44:14 AM
Quote from: cl94 on February 11, 2016, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 11, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
Heh.  NYSDOT and NYCDOT throw millions at the Brooklyn Bridge quite often to keep it "well-maintained" within the restrictions of its landmark status.  I've heard a lot of grumbling about it, actually.  There are those that feel that the landmark status keeps more cost-effective solutions from being implemented, but I'm fuzzy on the particulars of what they're ideas actually are.

IMO, the Brooklyn Bridge, along with the other "free" bridges over the East River, ought to be tolled, and maintenance responsibility should be with (or at least funded by) the New York MTA.

That will never happen with the current situation in Albany. Most city officials and residents want it (money, encourage transit use), but it has to be approved by the state and it will be DOA in Albany, mainly because of the GOP leadership. The majority of people in the City who don't want it live in eastern Queens.

I really wonder if there really is a lot of public support to toll the East River Bridges.  I'd prefer to see an actual poll or survey results on the matter.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 12, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 12, 2016, 07:44:14 AM
I really wonder if there really is a lot of public support to toll the East River Bridges.  I'd prefer to see an actual poll or survey results on the matter.

I doubt it.  Most people do not want to pay for something out of pocket that is currently "free."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on February 12, 2016, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 12, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 12, 2016, 07:44:14 AM
I really wonder if there really is a lot of public support to toll the East River Bridges.  I'd prefer to see an actual poll or survey results on the matter.

I doubt it.  Most people do not want to pay for something out of pocket that is currently "free."

Support is growing. A poll last spring showed it a little worse than 50-50. The plan then was to lower tolls on the expressway bridges simultaneously so it would be cheaper to enter Staten Island and cross the 3 Bronx-Queens bridges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 12, 2016, 03:28:54 PM
Could we return to Maryland please? Comments to potentially toll non-tolled New York City Bridges should be in the New York thread of the Northeast Section of the forum, or in Fictional Highways.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 12, 2016, 07:36:48 PM
Carroll County is improving the MD 97-MD 32 intersection southeast of Westminster. According to the report, the primary improvement will be a modern signal array and left turn lanes for both directions of MD 32 onto MD 97.

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/news/local/ph-cc-32-97-intersection-20150818-story.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on February 16, 2016, 03:24:59 AM
On the topic of the Hanover Street Bridge, I ride across that bridge every day and the issue is the potholes but one can't exactly repave a bridge, because that bridge could use a new bed of concrete. I do hope that it can be renovated, it's such a nice bridge and the only one in the city I can think of with reversible lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 16, 2016, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 16, 2016, 03:24:59 AM
On the topic of the Hanover Street Bridge, I ride across that bridge every day and the issue is the potholes but one can't exactly repave a bridge, because that bridge could use a new bed of concrete. I do hope that it can be renovated, it's such a nice bridge and the only one in the city I can think of with reversible lanes.

If it were my call - do a complete deck replacement, with a total closure of the bridge.

To ease some of the traffic impact on areas south of the bridge like Brooklyn and Brooklyn Park, add movements that were never built at the I-895 Exit 7 (Md. 2 Potee Street or Patapsco Avenue) or at Shell Road to allow northbound traffic to exit and traffic to enter southbound (use ramp tolls, E-ZPass only, to avoid angering the bondholders). Also add ramps from I-895 southbound to Md. 295 northbound, and from Md. 295 southbound to I-895 northbound.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 16, 2016, 03:55:56 PM
Washington Post: Md. Democrats announce transportation agenda (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/md-democrats-announce-transportation-agenda/2016/02/16/f5f32d56-d4b3-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html)

QuoteThe leaders of Maryland's state legislature on Tuesday announced a transportation agenda designed to make suburban jobs more accessible to urban workers who don't own cars and to shed light on future funding decisions for road projects.

QuoteThe legislative package, which House Speaker Michael E. Busch (D-Anne Arundel) and Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller (D-Calvert) unveiled at a news conference, would also require the state to move forward with replacing an aging and frequently congested bridge crossing the Potomac River and create a citizen-oversight board for the Maryland Transit Administration.

QuoteOne of the proposals, sponsored by Del. Cory V. McCray (D-Baltimore), would expand state tax credits for employers who offer commuter benefits to their workers, doubling the subsidy from $50 a month to $100 a month while reducing carpool eligibility from eight riders to six riders.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 16, 2016, 09:46:02 PM
Does anyone know where to look or who to contact to find out what MDOT SHA's current plans are for signing additional highways at 70mph?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 16, 2016, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 16, 2016, 09:46:02 PM
Does anyone know where to look or who to contact to find out what MDOT SHA's current plans are for signing additional highways at 70mph?

Only the text below, from an SHA press release (http://www.sha.state.md.us/Pages/release.aspx?newsId=2369) that I-68 was (mostly) being increased to 70 MPH:

QuoteSHA will study other 65 mph highways for potential increases to 70 mph. Traffic engineers evaluate and set speed limits based on several factors including crash data, traffic volume, concentration of truck traffic, actual average speeds, and roadway conditions such as lane width, presence and width of shoulders, hills/grades, alignments and curves.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 17, 2016, 04:12:22 PM
Baltimore Sun editorial: Road warriors (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-transportation-20160217-story.html)

QuoteIn Maryland, decisions about transportation construction projects have always required a sometimes unsettling combination of professional planning and political muscle. There is the dry engineering, soliciting of local input and long-term civic planning behind every highway, bridge, public transit project, port improvement, airport runway or redesigned traffic light. And then there is the final choice of a sitting governor and the transportation department he controls over whether any specific proposal gets funded.

QuoteBaltimore learned first-hand about the uncertainties of transportation choices last year when Gov. Larry Hogan killed the $2.9 billion Red Line, the light rail project that was two decades in the making, that was a top priority in the state's Consolidated Transportation Program and for which elected leaders from Towson to Washington, D.C. had pledged hundreds of millions of dollars in support. It was a painful, costly and wasteful move given the huge sum already spent on planning the east-west line, but it was also well within a sitting governor's authority.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on February 18, 2016, 02:01:08 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 16, 2016, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 16, 2016, 03:24:59 AM
On the topic of the Hanover Street Bridge, I ride across that bridge every day and the issue is the potholes but one can't exactly repave a bridge, because that bridge could use a new bed of concrete. I do hope that it can be renovated, it's such a nice bridge and the only one in the city I can think of with reversible lanes.

If it were my call - do a complete deck replacement, with a total closure of the bridge.

To ease some of the traffic impact on areas south of the bridge like Brooklyn and Brooklyn Park, add movements that were never built at the I-895 Exit 7 (Md. 2 Potee Street or Patapsco Avenue) or at Shell Road to allow northbound traffic to exit and traffic to enter southbound (use ramp tolls, E-ZPass only, to avoid angering the bondholders). Also add ramps from I-895 southbound to Md. 295 northbound, and from Md. 295 southbound to I-895 northbound.
It's funny because I've never understood why 895 is the way it is. It wouldn't stop being a bypass just because it had some extra exits. And it could have toll booths on the ramps if that's what they want. I don't know if shutting down the whole bridge would work though, considering it's the only way to downtown from the south and two bus routes run over it. Maybe close half. It being reversible helps.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 18, 2016, 02:01:08 AM
It's funny because I've never understood why 895 is the way it is. It wouldn't stop being a bypass just because it had some extra exits. And it could have toll booths on the ramps if that's what they want. I don't know if shutting down the whole bridge would work though, considering it's the only way to downtown from the south and two bus routes run over it. Maybe close half. It being reversible helps.

I-895 has nearly always been true to its name - it is the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway. With the emphasis on thru.  Only in recent years have "free" ramps opened north of the tube at (for example) Lombard Street, and no part of the road south of the tube has ever been free.  Consider also that it does have that much capacity, since nearly the entire road (with a few short exceptions) is two lanes each way.

The primary idea behind I-895 was to get traffic from U.S. 1, the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and the Md. 3 corridor through the tunnel to U.S. 40 (Pulaski Highway).  Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.
So at some point in time, before i-95 through Baltimore was completed, this would have been I-95? That does make sense in some way.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 18, 2016, 06:33:50 PM

Quote from: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.
So at some point in time, before i-95 through Baltimore was completed, this would have been I-95? That does make sense in some way.

Well, it functioned as though it were I-95 for a long time. But it existed before any of I-95 and it was unnumbered for many years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.
So at some point in time, before i-95 through Baltimore was completed, this would have been I-95? That does make sense in some way.
This is how it was signed: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
This is how it was signed: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)

Indeed. Precisely.  Did you snap that? Was probably prior to the opening of the Fort McHenry Tunnel in 1985.

There were assemblies on the Baltimore-Washington Parkway prior to the opening of the "Between the Beltways" section of I-95, but they were more conventional looking:

TO
I-95

or

TO
NORTH (or SOUTH)
I-95

On the assemblies on the Parkway, the TO and NORTH or SOUTH plates were black-on-white, not white-on-blue.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.
So at some point in time, before i-95 through Baltimore was completed, this would have been I-95? That does make sense in some way.
This is how it was signed: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)
But if I-95 wasn't completed inside Baltimore, did you have to use I-895 to piece together the two segments?

So what I take from this is that I-95 at the time ended at the two I-895 interchanges outside Baltimore. So before the Fort Mchenry Tunnel, you would use I-895 in order to connect the two.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on February 18, 2016, 09:00:27 PM
There was another toward the north end that lasted until maybe 2010. Here it was in 2001:

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/maryland895/i-895_nb_exit_014_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 18, 2016, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.
So at some point in time, before i-95 through Baltimore was completed, this would have been I-95? That does make sense in some way.
This is how it was signed: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)
But if I-95 wasn't completed inside Baltimore, did you have to use I-895 to piece together the two segments?

So what I take from this is that I-95 at the time ended at the two I-895 interchanges outside Baltimore. So before the Fort Mchenry Tunnel, you would use I-895 in order to connect the two.

It varied over the years. In the early 1980s you could take I-95 into Baltimore from the south if, say, you were going to the aquarium. But not all the signs were marked I-95. There were BGSs on I-695 at its southern junction with I-95 that had blank Interstate shields for the road into Baltimore. I always assumed it was because of the risk of people thinking it was the way to New York and following it and getting lost (which also used to happen in Virginia and DC until I-95 was renumbered as I-395).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 18, 2016, 08:40:51 PM
But if I-95 wasn't completed inside Baltimore, did you have to use I-895 to piece together the two segments?

So what I take from this is that I-95 at the time ended at the two I-895 interchanges outside Baltimore. So before the Fort Mchenry Tunnel, you would use I-895 in order to connect the two.

To supplement what Hoo wrote above:

(1) The Fort McHenry Tunnel (FMT) was the final section of I-95 to open to traffic in Maryland. 
(2) It opened in 1985.
(3) Prior to the opening of the FMT, I-95 traffic southbound was "naturally" directed and signed to I-895.   I-95 was completed almost to the FMT on the north side (Keith Avenue, if memory serves), and to I-395 on the south side before 1985.  It was carefully not signed as I-95 northbound at the I-695 interchange (I-95 traffic was signed to follow I-695 to I-895 - which remained that way even after I-895 was extended from U.S. 1 to I-95, providing a convenient direct connection for I-95 traffic).
(4) There were indeed blank Interstate shields on I-95 at the southern I-95/I-695 interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 18, 2016, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
This is how it was signed: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)

Indeed. Precisely.  Did you snap that? Was probably prior to the opening of the Fort McHenry Tunnel in 1985.
More recently. Also this one:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fton95.jpg%255D&hash=e89c5c03ccadbae88c0fb3e18be83161e404e9dc)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 19, 2016, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 18, 2016, 09:00:27 PM
There was another toward the north end that lasted until maybe 2010. Here it was in 2001:

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/maryland895/i-895_nb_exit_014_01.jpg)

That goes back to the days before the Fort McHenry Tunnel opening in 1985.  Because it was facing southwest and I-895 is pretty low at that point (under U.S. 40), the sun did not fade it much at all.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on February 26, 2016, 06:06:18 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 18, 2016, 02:01:08 AM
It's funny because I've never understood why 895 is the way it is. It wouldn't stop being a bypass just because it had some extra exits. And it could have toll booths on the ramps if that's what they want. I don't know if shutting down the whole bridge would work though, considering it's the only way to downtown from the south and two bus routes run over it. Maybe close half. It being reversible helps.

I-895 has nearly always been true to its name - it is the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway. With the emphasis on thru.  Only in recent years have "free" ramps opened north of the tube at (for example) Lombard Street, and no part of the road south of the tube has ever been free.  Consider also that it does have that much capacity, since nearly the entire road (with a few short exceptions) is two lanes each way.

The primary idea behind I-895 was to get traffic from U.S. 1, the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and the Md. 3 corridor through the tunnel to U.S. 40 (Pulaski Highway).  Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.

OK.  Originally, this was the only way for thru traffic to bypass Downtown Baltimore and provide the connection from the road to Washington (US 1) to the road to Wilmmington (US 40).  To limit the amount of traffic on the roadway, given that it was only two lanes in each direction, all the traffic on the thruway had to use the tunnel (i.e. one could not use this as a connector from Halethorpe or MD 2/MD 3/I-97 corridor to the Hanover Street Bridge).  The original Dulles Access Road was similiarly restricted to serving only to airport traffic without being able to get on and get off before reaching the airport until the consturction of the Dulles Toll Road.

But after the Fort McHenry Tunnel is completed and we see that the Thruway is being underutilized, why couldn't the connections be added now?  The roadway has just as many lanes as the BW Pkwy south of MD 175 and we don't see that as being so severely limited in its use.  I say that it would help remove a lot of traffic from surface roads to the south of Baltimore if I-97 traffic can use the roadway to get into Downtown Baltimore without paying toll, while stilll maintaining the toll for those using the tunnel itself.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 26, 2016, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: mrsman on February 26, 2016, 06:06:18 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on February 18, 2016, 02:01:08 AM
It's funny because I've never understood why 895 is the way it is. It wouldn't stop being a bypass just because it had some extra exits. And it could have toll booths on the ramps if that's what they want. I don't know if shutting down the whole bridge would work though, considering it's the only way to downtown from the south and two bus routes run over it. Maybe close half. It being reversible helps.

I-895 has nearly always been true to its name - it is the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway. With the emphasis on thru.  Only in recent years have "free" ramps opened north of the tube at (for example) Lombard Street, and no part of the road south of the tube has ever been free.  Consider also that it does have that much capacity, since nearly the entire road (with a few short exceptions) is two lanes each way.

The primary idea behind I-895 was to get traffic from U.S. 1, the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and the Md. 3 corridor through the tunnel to U.S. 40 (Pulaski Highway).  Remember that the road was designed well before any part of I-95 was built.

OK.  Originally, this was the only way for thru traffic to bypass Downtown Baltimore and provide the connection from the road to Washington (US 1) to the road to Wilmmington (US 40).  To limit the amount of traffic on the roadway, given that it was only two lanes in each direction, all the traffic on the thruway had to use the tunnel (i.e. one could not use this as a connector from Halethorpe or MD 2/MD 3/I-97 corridor to the Hanover Street Bridge).  The original Dulles Access Road was similiarly restricted to serving only to airport traffic without being able to get on and get off before reaching the airport until the consturction of the Dulles Toll Road.

But after the Fort McHenry Tunnel is completed and we see that the Thruway is being underutilized, why couldn't the connections be added now?  The roadway has just as many lanes as the BW Pkwy south of MD 175 and we don't see that as being so severely limited in its use.  I say that it would help remove a lot of traffic from surface roads to the south of Baltimore if I-97 traffic can use the roadway to get into Downtown Baltimore without paying toll, while stilll maintaining the toll for those using the tunnel itself.

I-895 might look underutilized, but it really isn't. Peak hour traffic is very heavy, and off-peak volume can be readily discerned anytime one of the tunnels is closed for maintenance. The highway looks deceptively underutilized because it is explicitly set up solely for through traffic, but any restriction in capacity easily demonstrates the number of vehicles that use it to travel across the harbor.

http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/toll_facilities/bht.html says that the 2014 volume on I-895 was 24.9 million vehicles, which corresponds to an AADT value of approximately 68,000.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2016, 08:03:16 AM
Quote from: mrsman on February 26, 2016, 06:06:18 AM
OK.  Originally, this was the only way for thru traffic to bypass Downtown Baltimore and provide the connection from the road to Washington (US 1) to the road to Wilmmington (US 40).  To limit the amount of traffic on the roadway, given that it was only two lanes in each direction, all the traffic on the thruway had to use the tunnel (i.e. one could not use this as a connector from Halethorpe or MD 2/MD 3/I-97 corridor to the Hanover Street Bridge).  The original Dulles Access Road was similiarly restricted to serving only to airport traffic without being able to get on and get off before reaching the airport until the consturction of the Dulles Toll Road.

But after the Fort McHenry Tunnel is completed and we see that the Thruway is being underutilized, why couldn't the connections be added now?  The roadway has just as many lanes as the BW Pkwy south of MD 175 and we don't see that as being so severely limited in its use.  I say that it would help remove a lot of traffic from surface roads to the south of Baltimore if I-97 traffic can use the roadway to get into Downtown Baltimore without paying toll, while stilll maintaining the toll for those using the tunnel itself.


A few thoughts:

1. To the south, it was also connected to (what was then signed as) the Baltimore-Washington Expressway (present-day Md. 295, the Baltimore-Washington Parkway). I believe that road was completed about the same time as the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway.  That quickly became the preferred (and de-facto) routing for I-95 traffic between Baltimore and Washington (at least for automobile traffic).

2. The approach roads to the Patapsco Tunnel (as the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel was once called) were built as part of the tunnel project, and the same bonds paid to build most of what is there today, and the state has always regarded all of it as being one entity.  I do not believe it was really about limiting traffic as much as it was about the purpose and need for the project (and yes, this was years before the National Environmental Policy Act was signed into law by Nixon in 1969).  So yes, the analogy between the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway and the Dulles Airport Access Road is a pretty good one.

3. As was suggested above, the BHT is really not underutilized, and it can be extremely busy during peak commute times (it will be interesting to see where that traffic goes when the Canton Viaduct replacement project starts, and I-895 will only have three lanes - total - between the north portal of the tunnel and Boston Street).  Yes, there is not so much traffic between the southern terminus at I-95 and the tie-in to Md. 295, but from 295 all the way to its north terminus at I-95, the road is decently busy.  And the metric for determining how busy it is should be traffic volumes paying to use the tunnel. 

4. I do think that I-895 should have access added south of the main toll barrier - I think at Md. 2 (Potee Street) and  south of I-695 at Transway Road (to better-serve truck traffic in and out of the industrial area of southwestern Baltimore County off of Hollins Ferry Road).  When this was done north of the tunnel it appears to have had no impact on the performance of the tunnel itself.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2016, 02:33:46 PM
MarylandReporter.com: Dundalk Republican proposes deep toll cuts on Key Bridge (http://marylandreporter.com/2016/03/04/dundalk-republican-proposes-deep-toll-cuts-on-key-bridge/)

QuoteA proposal that would allow drivers travelling across the Francis Scott Key Memorial Bridge to pay $20 per year as opposed to several hundred, was promoted on Thursday by Del. Ric Metzgar, R-Baltimore County, at the House Environment and Transportation Committee.

QuoteMetzgar's proposed bill, HB964, the Maryland Transportation Authority-Francis Scott Key Bridge-Toll Discount Plans, enjoys bipartisan support, and would align rates with those paid by commuters crossing the Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge over the Susquehanna, which connects Harford and Cecil counties. The Francis Scott Key Memorial Bridge is on the southeast side of the Baltimore Beltway, 695, crossing the Patapsco River.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on March 08, 2016, 06:07:36 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2016, 02:33:46 PM
MarylandReporter.com: Dundalk Republican proposes deep toll cuts on Key Bridge (http://marylandreporter.com/2016/03/04/dundalk-republican-proposes-deep-toll-cuts-on-key-bridge/)

QuoteA proposal that would allow drivers travelling across the Francis Scott Key Memorial Bridge to pay $20 per year as opposed to several hundred, was promoted on Thursday by Del. Ric Metzgar, R-Baltimore County, at the House Environment and Transportation Committee.

QuoteMetzgar's proposed bill, HB964, the Maryland Transportation Authority-Francis Scott Key Bridge-Toll Discount Plans, enjoys bipartisan support, and would align rates with those paid by commuters crossing the Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge over the Susquehanna, which connects Harford and Cecil counties. The Francis Scott Key Memorial Bridge is on the southeast side of the Baltimore Beltway, 695, crossing the Patapsco River.

I agree generally with the proposed legislation, but I believe $20/month is too low.  There should be discounts for those who travel a corridor on a near-daily basis.

From the current website, it is $4 generally (for cars) to cross, $3 with MD EZ-Pass, and $1.40 for commuters (50 trips cost $70 if done within a 45 day period).  It seems like a regular commuter, at the commuter rate would pay about $500 a year to cross.  Bringing that down to about $200/year would be great, but $20/year is ridiculously too low.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 08, 2016, 07:26:39 AM
I still find it fascinatingly stupid that, at the same time they're trying to improve the system, pay off the ICC, build a new Nice Bridge, and now plan for a third Bay Bridge span, Maryland state officials have it in their brain to CUT tolls, which is how all of that gets paid...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Zeffy on March 08, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: froggie on March 08, 2016, 07:26:39 AM
I still find it fascinatingly stupid that, at the same time they're trying to improve the system, pay off the ICC, build a new Nice Bridge, and now plan for a third Bay Bridge span, Maryland state officials have it in their brain to CUT tolls, which is how all of that gets paid...

I guess the logic is lowering the tolls will get more to use them in the first place. When I used the ICC and the 95 express lanes near Baltimore, I did not mind paying because they were convenient and provided a good alternative to the normal route (exception of the express lanes because well they are just additional lanes on the same roadway. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2016, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: froggie on March 08, 2016, 07:26:39 AM
I still find it fascinatingly stupid that, at the same time they're trying to improve the system, pay off the ICC, build a new Nice Bridge, and now plan for a third Bay Bridge span, Maryland state officials have it in their brain to CUT tolls, which is how all of that gets paid...

Agreed.  I suspect that this bill will get killed in the General Assembly. 

Other means can be used to induce development at Sparrows Point, and a targeted toll reduction for residents of Dundalk can be studied (that area was hurt badly by the demise of the former Sparrows Point steel mill, though the end of that was probably inevitable).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on March 08, 2016, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 08, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: froggie on March 08, 2016, 07:26:39 AM
I still find it fascinatingly stupid that, at the same time they're trying to improve the system, pay off the ICC, build a new Nice Bridge, and now plan for a third Bay Bridge span, Maryland state officials have it in their brain to CUT tolls, which is how all of that gets paid...

I guess the logic is lowering the tolls will get more to use them in the first place. When I used the ICC and the 95 express lanes near Baltimore, I did not mind paying because they were convenient and provided a good alternative to the normal route (exception of the express lanes because well they are just additional lanes on the same roadway.

Logic? This is government. Gov. Hogan ran on a platform of "things cost too much", so we'll just cut toll rates by random amounts. Push the costs off to the next generation. I think I'll stop there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on March 17, 2016, 05:38:42 PM
Anyhow MD 717 had been pulled from its shadows and posted on new guide signs on Route 4.
(//)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on March 31, 2016, 04:55:52 PM
Last time I was in Baltimore, one of the "40 East Edmond St --->" BGS on MLK Jr Blvd was knocked down.  I was curious if it was replaced with a new sign or the old one was just put back up?

I take it all the button copy on I-170 and the Balt-Wash Pkwy is still there with no plans on being replaced? 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 04, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
WTOP reports Maryland has raised the speed limit on much of I-70 to 70 mph (http://wtop.com/maryland/2016/04/speed-limit-revving-up-to-70-mph-on-much-of-i-70/).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 04, 2016, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 04, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
WTOP reports Maryland has raised the speed limit on much of I-70 to 70 mph (http://wtop.com/maryland/2016/04/speed-limit-revving-up-to-70-mph-on-much-of-i-70/).

They were waiting for a weekday to do it. I was out on I-70 between Baltimore and Frederick this past weekend and I didn't see a single 70mph sign.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 08, 2016, 02:38:56 PM
O.C. Today: Maryland State Highway enlists roadway analyzer - Vehicle determines repair needs with high-resolution video, ultrasonic sensors (http://www.oceancitytoday.net/p/maryland-state-highway-enlists-roadway-analyzer/1506435)

QuoteDrivers slowed by roadwork on Coastal Highway, with its jutting manhole covers and ungraded lanes dotting certain portions, may wonder how the need for asphalt pavement repairs is determined.

QuoteWhile visual inspections may not always reveal problem areas, for the last 20 years the Maryland State Highway Administration has enlisted subsurface sleuthing t5o assist in those determinations.

QuoteCharlie Gischlar, SHA public information officer, said his agency purchased an Automated Roadway Analyzer vehicle in the spring of 1995. The ARAN enlists high-resolution video, ultrasonic sensors, accelerometers and gyroscopes to collect highway infrastructure data.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on April 08, 2016, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on April 04, 2016, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 04, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
WTOP reports Maryland has raised the speed limit on much of I-70 to 70 mph (http://wtop.com/maryland/2016/04/speed-limit-revving-up-to-70-mph-on-much-of-i-70/).

They were waiting for a weekday to do it. I was out on I-70 between Baltimore and Frederick this past weekend and I didn't see a single 70mph sign.
I think the next time I'll head out to DC, I'll see if I can post pictures of the new signs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on April 08, 2016, 08:00:24 PM
I took a couple pictures today; remind me to post them when I get a chance to update my website.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on April 11, 2016, 05:03:03 PM
Here they are; one of the 70 mph signs, and the signs warning of the reduction to 65 near Frederick.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FMD%2Fi70%2F101_3614-s.JPG&hash=8b87a18d4854ccbfa0b6218a24d735d1dfa6d858)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FMD%2Fi70%2F101_3622-s.JPG&hash=f590285823485e019ac7e8bf00bc49acec592f63)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on April 12, 2016, 01:41:23 PM
Is 301 on the Eastern shore still 55mph? I haven't been over that way since 1999
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 12, 2016, 02:10:31 PM
Yes.  Maryland law doesn't allow anything higher than 55 on non-freeways.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 12, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 11, 2016, 05:03:03 PM
Here they are; one of the 70 mph signs, and the signs warning of the reduction to 65 near Frederick.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FMD%2Fi70%2F101_3614-s.JPG&hash=8b87a18d4854ccbfa0b6218a24d735d1dfa6d858)

Was it that hard to upgrade the entire fading-out sign?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 12, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
Quote from: bsmart on August 20, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 20, 2015, 09:35:29 AM
SHA has begun an interchange at US 15 and Monocacy Blvd (http://www.roads.maryland.gov/Pages/release.aspx?newsId=2327) near Frederick.  It'll be a standard diamond along US 15, tie into Christophers Crossing to the west, and remove the partial intersection on US 15 at Hayward Rd.  This'll have the net effect of extending the US 15 freeway section through Frederick for about a mile further north.

The scheduled completion is Spring 2018.

The press release notes that speed cameras will be in use through the workzone, with a 50 MPH limit southbound and a 55 MPH limit northbound (not sure why there's a difference).  Per state law, the cameras won't actually generate tickets unless you're going at least 12 over the limit.  Enforcement begins in early September with a 3 week warning period before actual citations begin on 9/29.


Glad to see them start that.  The crossover at Hayward Rd has been a problem for years.  The continuing problem with speeding through that stretch (and the periodic major accidents at Hayward Rd) is the reason for the higher intensity speed enforcement (and I wish they would crack down more)

Photo taken by me on April 2nd on US 15 NB at the overhead for the MD 26 exit shows a covered-up sign presumably for the new interchange:  (of course gone due to the Photobucket thing)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 13, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 12, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
Photo taken by me on April 2nd on US 15 NB at the overhead for the MD 26 exit shows a covered-up sign presumably for the new interchange:

Yes, this is for the Monocacy Boulevard interchange that is being constructed between Md. 26 and Biggs Ford Road.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 13, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 12, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 11, 2016, 05:03:03 PM
Here they are; one of the 70 mph signs, and the signs warning of the reduction to 65 near Frederick.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FMD%2Fi70%2F101_3614-s.JPG&hash=8b87a18d4854ccbfa0b6218a24d735d1dfa6d858)

Was it that hard to upgrade the entire fading-out sign?

Apparently so. The SHA patched the signage on I-68 east of Cumberland in a similar fashion. I haven't seen a single new 70mph sign anywhere in MD yet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 15, 2016, 04:02:00 PM
Md. 695 (signed as I-695), Baltimore Beltway, at the Francis Scott Key Bridge as caught on video by WBAL traffic reporter Jim Russ.

(https://scontent.fash1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12998588_10207689374584516_6432793440447934014_n.jpg?oh=d1a3b39340eabd9a3a056f4322c1078d&oe=5777F0CD)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on April 15, 2016, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on April 13, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 12, 2016, 02:50:04 PM

Was it that hard to upgrade the entire fading-out sign?

Apparently so. The SHA patched the signage on I-68 east of Cumberland in a similar fashion. I haven't seen a single new 70mph sign anywhere in MD yet.
[/quote]

Try I-70 between MD-94 and US-29.  The section between MD-97 and US-29 is part of my daily commute, and sometimes I use MD-94 instead of MD-97 when I feel like doing so.  All the 70 MPH speed limit signs in that stretch are brand new.  Haven't seen a single patched-up sign, but my route from home to Frederick generally involves MD-194 to MD-26, so I'm not on that section of I-70 all that often.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on April 15, 2016, 04:24:41 PM
Oh, hang on, I took a photo of one a few hours after they changed it.  Hopefully this will work, as it's on my FB and I just made it public (was private like everything else there)

(https://scontent-iad3-1xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12909672_10102964153369685_5632980069310362541_o.jpg?efg=eJpljoidCJ9)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 15, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: tckma on April 15, 2016, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on April 13, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 12, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Was it that hard to upgrade the entire fading-out sign?

Apparently so. The SHA patched the signage on I-68 east of Cumberland in a similar fashion. I haven't seen a single new 70mph sign anywhere in MD yet.

Try I-70 between MD-94 and US-29.  The section between MD-97 and US-29 is part of my daily commute, and sometimes I use MD-94 instead of MD-97 when I feel like doing so.  All the 70 MPH speed limit signs in that stretch are brand new.  Haven't seen a single patched-up sign, but my route from home to Frederick generally involves MD-194 to MD-26, so I'm not on that section of I-70 all that often.

Thanks for the tip; I will have to check that out. The sign patching is notable to me because I have never observed the SHA do it before on this scale.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 20, 2016, 09:42:29 AM
STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION REMOVES EXCESS PAVEMENT TO MAKE WAY FOR GRASS
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2550

I looked for most of them:

They say:
US 40 (West Patrick Street) ramp to northbound US 15/US 340
But that's not US 340.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4143437,-77.4340806,260m/data=!3m1!1e3
Unless US 340 were to follow MD 26 eastward.  Sorry straying to fictional.

MD 17 (Burkittsville) near Bennies Hill Road
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4120361,-77.5817951,124m/data=!3m1!1e3

US 40 (West Patrick Street) near Linden Avenue
Couldn't figure this one out.

MD 144FA (Old National Pike) near Bartonsville Road
MD 144A near Linganore Road
These seem to mean the old dual carriageway:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3972491,-77.3605847,468m/data=!3m1!1e3

MD 985 (Old Frederick Road) near Chapel Avenue.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3020959,-76.822359,241m/data=!3m1!1e3

MD 194 (York Street) near Kump Station Road
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6921479,-77.1438127,179m/data=!3m1!1e3

MD 853E near Angell Road
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6724643,-77.1595761,350m/data=!3m1!1e3

MD 850I near Arthur Shipley Road
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4385942,-77.0306998,236m/data=!3m1!1e3

MD 850J (Old Liberty Road West) near Shady Brook Drive
Old pavement where the car is parked.  That one wasn't so obvious from satellite view.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4448605,-77.0493309,3a,75y,131.6h,65.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKnBeP0NDziv4kkfNChAqbA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

MD 850E near Gray Horse Drive
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4532098,-77.0737484,3a,75y,253.19h,67.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQhOmhDucBlGWaz8iTAZe3A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on May 20, 2016, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: BrianP on May 20, 2016, 09:42:29 AM

MD 850E near Gray Horse Drive
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4532098,-77.0737484,3a,75y,253.19h,67.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQhOmhDucBlGWaz8iTAZe3A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

99% of the time I pass this one, there are one or two 18-wheelers parked on that dead-end old pavement section.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 21, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Several weeks ago I passed through Taneytown, MD on MD 140 and was very intrigued by Antrim Boulevard, a wide two-lane street that extends from the roundabout where MD 832 terminates to a local county road near the town limits. The road is very wide, quite straight and has geometry which strongly resembles the MD 30 Hampstead bypass, including partial access controls.

Is this short boulevard really the first (secret) portion of a future, limited-access bypass of Taneytown for MD 140? If so, was this bypass planned at the same time as the original MD 97 bypass of MD 32 between Taneytown and Westminster?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on May 21, 2016, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on April 15, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: tckma on April 15, 2016, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on April 13, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 12, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Was it that hard to upgrade the entire fading-out sign?

Apparently so. The SHA patched the signage on I-68 east of Cumberland in a similar fashion. I haven't seen a single new 70mph sign anywhere in MD yet.

Try I-70 between MD-94 and US-29.  The section between MD-97 and US-29 is part of my daily commute, and sometimes I use MD-94 instead of MD-97 when I feel like doing so.  All the 70 MPH speed limit signs in that stretch are brand new.  Haven't seen a single patched-up sign, but my route from home to Frederick generally involves MD-194 to MD-26, so I'm not on that section of I-70 all that often.

Thanks for the tip; I will have to check that out. The sign patching is notable to me because I have never observed the SHA do it before on this scale.

When I drove out to Garrett County last weekend all the 70 MPH signs from just past the 340/15 interchange to the Washington County line were new signs. The 70 MPH signs in Washington County were all patch jobs.

Though my favorite patch job sign is the "presumably" 55 MPH patched to 65 patched to 70 sign in Garrett County.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 22, 2016, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on May 21, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Several weeks ago I passed through Taneytown, MD on MD 140 and was very intrigued by Antrim Boulevard, a wide two-lane street that extends from the roundabout where MD 832 terminates to a local county road near the town limits. The road is very wide, quite straight and has geometry which strongly resembles the MD 30 Hampstead bypass, including partial access controls.

Is this short boulevard really the first (secret) portion of a future, limited-access bypass of Taneytown for MD 140? If so, was this bypass planned at the same time as the original MD 97 bypass of MD 32 between Taneytown and Westminster?

It's possible.  A Taneytown bypass for MD 140 is a long-term goal, but is also a low priority for Carroll County, so to answer your last question, I'd say no it wasn't planned at the same time as MD 97:

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/news/local/ph-cc-maximize2040-transportation-plan-20150219-story.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 22, 2016, 11:09:04 PM
Baltimore Sun op-ed regarding the Maryland toll reductions from last year: Politics takes toll on infrastructure investment (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/dan-rodricks-blog/bs-md-rodricks-0515-20160514-column.html)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on May 23, 2016, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 22, 2016, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on May 21, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Several weeks ago I passed through Taneytown, MD on MD 140 and was very intrigued by Antrim Boulevard, a wide two-lane street that extends from the roundabout where MD 832 terminates to a local county road near the town limits. The road is very wide, quite straight and has geometry which strongly resembles the MD 30 Hampstead bypass, including partial access controls.

Is this short boulevard really the first (secret) portion of a future, limited-access bypass of Taneytown for MD 140? If so, was this bypass planned at the same time as the original MD 97 bypass of MD 32 between Taneytown and Westminster?

It's possible.  A Taneytown bypass for MD 140 is a long-term goal, but is also a low priority for Carroll County, so to answer your last question, I'd say no it wasn't planned at the same time as MD 97:

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/news/local/ph-cc-maximize2040-transportation-plan-20150219-story.html

I doubt it.  I live very near to Taneytown (the workers at that Sheetz on the circle know me by name; I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing), and I think a bypass of town is rather unnecessary.  I haven't ever seen much traffic through Taneytown and don't view it as a place of delay.

Antrim Blvd makes me similarly scratch my head as a road that was very overbuilt for the area and for traffic demands, but I never thought of it as a possible bypass.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2016, 11:00:43 PM
AASHTO Journal: TRIP, Maryland DOT's Rahn Report on Road Congestion Challenges, Efforts to Reduce It (http://www.aashtojournal.org/Pages/052016md.aspx)

QuoteMaryland Department of Transportation Secretary Pete Rahn joined with the TRIP traffic research group to both identify the state's worst roadway bottlenecks and highlight efforts the state has been taking in recent years to improve conditions.

QuoteTRIP, which often reports on infrastructure funding needs and the way ailing highway systems cost drivers in lost time or vehicle repairs, focused heavily on improvements Maryland has undertaken since passage of a 2013 state funding measure.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 15, 2016, 07:15:42 PM
marylandreporter.com: Replacing Maryland E-ZPass transponder is not so easy (http://marylandreporter.com/2016/06/14/replacing-maryland-e-zpass-transponder-is-not-so-easy/)

QuoteNow that Gov. Hogan announced a new  customer service initiative on Thursday, a good place to start might be with E-ZPass toll system and making it easier to replace a dead transponder.

QuoteTransponders are those little white boxes that transmit the information to the antenna that collect the toll automatically. The transponder on my wife's Honda Accord stopped working a few weeks ago.

QuoteKnowing what we know now, I should have probably just ordered a new transponder online from the E-ZPass website, paid $9 and got it in the mail.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on June 20, 2016, 08:06:37 PM
A dispute between a Berlin, MD business and and a hardware store...

http://mdcoastdispatch.com/2016/06/16/landowner-berlin-at-odds-again-over-road-closure/

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2016, 12:24:33 PM
Baltimore Sun: After millions spent on improvements to highway, stream, White Marsh business owners say flooding has worsened (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/white-marsh/bs-md-co-white-marsh-flooding-20160627-story.html)

QuoteBusiness owners in White Marsh are suing Baltimore County and the state over highway improvements and environmental projects that they say have caused chronic flooding on their properties.

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority spent $1.08 billion widening Interstate 95, adding express toll lanes and reconfiguring exit ramps between Interstate 895 and White Marsh Boulevard. Baltimore County has spent $15.5 million on White Marsh Run over the past two years.

QuoteThe work was intended to improve the flow of highway traffic through the area and reduce runoff into local waterways. County officials say the stream restoration was designed so that it could not increase the flooding downstream. But property owners say flooding has worsened.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 29, 2016, 08:52:55 AM
Washington Post: Hogan says he'll keep fighting Democrats over funding road projects (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/hogan-says-hell-keep-fighting-democrats-over-funding-road-projects/2016/06/28/3dde937a-3d79-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html)

QuoteMaryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) said Tuesday night that he plans to continue to fight the Democratic-controlled legislature over the funding of transportation road projects and enlisted the help of local elected officials to join him.

QuoteDuring a 10-minute address before a crowd of about 700 people attending a dinner at the Maryland Municipal League Convention in Ocean City, Hogan said "we can not and will not let"  the General Assembly hinder road and bridge repairs.

Quote"We're going to keep fighting to make sure these priority road projects in every jurisdiction continue to move forward,"  Hogan said. "But we need our municipal and our county officials, each and every one of you, to stand with us so our roads and highways don't go back down a path of neglect and under investment."

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 30, 2016, 01:10:52 AM
Found this sign in Upper Fairmount. It's almost faded through - a store logo, or gasoline logo, or something similar. I can make out a globe and a few letters - C___ch___c(h or l)... nothing clear enough. Anyone have any idea?
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516669_1224964104204678_1810761583809353480_n.jpg?oh=bf239f0e60b4a2716e9bd87df324003b&oe=57EB1C44 (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516669_1224964104204678_1810761583809353480_n.jpg?oh=bf239f0e60b4a2716e9bd87df324003b&oe=57EB1C44)


...It might say "Church of Life"?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 30, 2016, 04:43:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 30, 2016, 01:10:52 AM
Found this sign in Upper Fairmount. It's almost faded through - a store logo, or gasoline logo, or something similar. I can make out a globe and a few letters - C___ch___c(h or l)... nothing clear enough. Anyone have any idea?
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516669_1224964104204678_1810761583809353480_n.jpg?oh=bf239f0e60b4a2716e9bd87df324003b&oe=57EB1C44 (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516669_1224964104204678_1810761583809353480_n.jpg?oh=bf239f0e60b4a2716e9bd87df324003b&oe=57EB1C44)


...It might say "Church of Life"?

Does not look even slightly familiar.  Was going to guess an old-style Gulf sign, but it's not, nor is it an old-style Flying A sign (Flying A was a chain of gas stations that went away in the 1960's).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: CVski on June 30, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
I think I see "Chesapeake".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on July 01, 2016, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: CVski on June 30, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
I think I see "Chesapeake".
You are wise for 13 posts.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: slorydn1 on July 01, 2016, 06:45:10 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 30, 2016, 01:10:52 AM
Found this sign in Upper Fairmount. It's almost faded through - a store logo, or gasoline logo, or something similar. I can make out a globe and a few letters - C___ch___c(h or l)... nothing clear enough. Anyone have any idea?
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516669_1224964104204678_1810761583809353480_n.jpg?oh=bf239f0e60b4a2716e9bd87df324003b&oe=57EB1C44 (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516669_1224964104204678_1810761583809353480_n.jpg?oh=bf239f0e60b4a2716e9bd87df324003b&oe=57EB1C44)


...It might say "Church of Life"?


It almost but not quite looks like this:


(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzYnUTe3G35DZd-W5o9AcNpaH8EWxjfOda5ns3q3s472E7y2TidA)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 06, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
54 years ago this week, the Baltimore Beltway opened to traffic. The SHA posted the following photo to their Instagram account:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHhi86JBFrG/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2016, 03:24:47 PM
Washington Post: After more than half a century, bridge designer calls it quits. Maybe. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/after-more-than-half-a-century-bridge-designer-calls-it-quits-maybe/2016/07/09/51a17ade-445f-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html)

QuoteWhen Earle "Jock"  Freedman, 86, finally decided to retire in June, the memorabilia in his desk at the Maryland State Highway Administration included the calculations he did in 1951 for his first bridge design.

Quote"I still had the computations, page after page, and all I had to work with was a $12 slide rule,"  he recalled. "No computers, but we were able to do the right thing."

QuoteFor more than 65 years, travelers have depended on Freedman to do the right thing in designing and maintaining 2,570 bridges under the State Highway Administration's supervision.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on July 11, 2016, 10:02:47 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 06, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
54 years ago this week, the Baltimore Beltway opened to traffic.

Fifteen years before the circle became unbroken with the opening of the Key Bridge.

QuoteThe SHA posted the following photo to their Instagram account:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHhi86JBFrG/

That pic is of the Loch Raven Blvd./Cromwell Bridge Road interchange, looking nw on I-695 towards Providence Road.  Rather countrified, then, that stretch.  IIRC steel wheeled trolleys still ran up MD 45 to the courthouse in Towson from downtown in those days, but the Maryland & Pennsylvania Railroad, abandoned from North Ave. in Baltimore up to Delta, PA in 1958, had already been taken up (Google Satellite still shows what looks like the old Ma & Pa right of way along Cromwell Bridge where it meets the Beltway and Loch Raven).

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on July 12, 2016, 02:02:01 PM
A colored US-shield in Baltimore?

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8671/28254366985_894efbdaae_c.jpg)

I also saw a construction sign about a bridge across US-40 and the community around the US-40 expressway stub. 
I couldn't find any more info about it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on July 14, 2016, 04:07:19 PM
A couple years ago somebody posted pics of old signs in a Maryland DOT sign shop. Anybody know the link to it?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 14, 2016, 07:03:10 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on July 14, 2016, 04:07:19 PM
A couple years ago somebody posted pics of old signs in a Maryland DOT sign shop. Anybody know the link to it?

It was cpzilliacus.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on July 15, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2016, 03:24:47 PM
Washington Post: After more than half a century, bridge designer calls it quits. Maybe. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/after-more-than-half-a-century-bridge-designer-calls-it-quits-maybe/2016/07/09/51a17ade-445f-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html)

QuoteWhen Earle "Jock"  Freedman, 86, finally decided to retire in June, the memorabilia in his desk at the Maryland State Highway Administration included the calculations he did in 1951 for his first bridge design.
Quote"I still had the computations, page after page, and all I had to work with was a $12 slide rule,"  he recalled. "No computers, but we were able to do the right thing."

Probably still did designs on paper when he retired.  Got a problem here at NYSDOT with old engineers and other fuddy-duddies not willing to enter the latter-half of the 20th Century by going digital.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 18, 2016, 07:28:31 PM
Baltimore Sun op-ed: Why did Va. win transportation grants when Md. didn't? (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-fastlane-funding-20160714-story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on July 18, 2016, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2016, 03:24:47 PM
Washington Post: After more than half a century, bridge designer calls it quits. Maybe. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/after-more-than-half-a-century-bridge-designer-calls-it-quits-maybe/2016/07/09/51a17ade-445f-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html)

QuoteWhen Earle "Jock"  Freedman, 86, finally decided to retire in June, the memorabilia in his desk at the Maryland State Highway Administration included the calculations he did in 1951 for his first bridge design.
Quote"I still had the computations, page after page, and all I had to work with was a $12 slide rule,"  he recalled. "No computers, but we were able to do the right thing."

Probably still did designs on paper when he retired.  Got a problem here at NYSDOT with old engineers and other fuddy-duddies not willing to enter the latter-half of the 20th Century by going digital.

Let me guess: they're the same ones who resist distance-based numbering?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 7/8 on July 18, 2016, 10:21:36 PM
Quote from: cl94 on July 18, 2016, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2016, 03:24:47 PM
Washington Post: After more than half a century, bridge designer calls it quits. Maybe. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/after-more-than-half-a-century-bridge-designer-calls-it-quits-maybe/2016/07/09/51a17ade-445f-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html)

QuoteWhen Earle "Jock"  Freedman, 86, finally decided to retire in June, the memorabilia in his desk at the Maryland State Highway Administration included the calculations he did in 1951 for his first bridge design.
Quote"I still had the computations, page after page, and all I had to work with was a $12 slide rule,"  he recalled. "No computers, but we were able to do the right thing."

Probably still did designs on paper when he retired.  Got a problem here at NYSDOT with old engineers and other fuddy-duddies not willing to enter the latter-half of the 20th Century by going digital.

Let me guess: they're the same ones who resist distance-based numbering?

This reminds me of my boss at the MTO, who still insists on using Reverse Polish Notation calculators. I'd never even heard of these, and it seems more confusing to me.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadrunner75 on July 18, 2016, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on July 18, 2016, 10:21:36 PM
This reminds me of my boss at the MTO, who still insists on using Reverse Polish Notation calculators. I'd never even heard of these, and it seems more confusing to me.
I use that on my calculator.  The first calculator I was given at work was an HP48GX and I had to get used to it.  I've been using the same model for about 19 years (still on the second one), and I now have trouble using a regular calculator.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 19, 2016, 05:30:40 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on July 18, 2016, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on July 18, 2016, 10:21:36 PM
This reminds me of my boss at the MTO, who still insists on using Reverse Polish Notation calculators. I'd never even heard of these, and it seems more confusing to me.
I use that on my calculator.  The first calculator I was given at work was an HP48GX and I had to get used to it.  I've been using the same model for about 19 years (still on the second one), and I now have trouble using a regular calculator.

My Dad, a real structural engineer, swears by reverse polish calculators.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 19, 2016, 05:56:56 PM
Washington Post: Study says traffic has improved on some sections of the Capital Beltway, but don't get excited (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/study-says-traffic-has-eased-on-some-parts-of-the-capital-beltway--but-dont-get-excited/2016/07/18/80e247b2-4acf-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 20, 2016, 10:56:37 AM
Baltimore Sun: Lawmakers concerned over millions in cost overruns on Baltimore contracts (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-extra-work-orders-folo-20160719-story.html)

QuoteSome infrastructure in Baltimore, founded in 1729, is more than a century old. Water mains break frequently. Sinkholes suddenly appear in roads. Two dozen bridges in the city have been deemed structurally deficient – an early warning that they are in poor condition – and about 40 percent of the city's streets are "substandard," transportation officials say.

QuoteFrom 2012 to 2014, contract overruns cost Baltimore, state and federal taxpayers – along with local water bill payers – $18.3 million to $19.6 million per year. In 2015, the overruns rose to $30.9 million. Halfway through 2016, they've have cost about $18.5 million.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 20, 2016, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on July 14, 2016, 04:07:19 PM
A couple years ago somebody posted pics of old signs in a Maryland DOT sign shop. Anybody know the link to it?

Hosted on Facebook: Maryland DOT/SHA/OOTS - traffic signs and the sign shop (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10203362161046882.1073741845.1596953667&type=1&l=061d501639)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 20, 2016, 12:30:22 PM
WTOP Radio: Major I-895 bridge project underway (http://wtop.com/sprawl-crawl/2016/07/major-895-bridge-project-begins-monday-night/)

QuoteDue to construction, the right lane on northbound Interstate 895 across the Patapsco River Flats bridge will be closed continuously for a major repair project.

QuoteThe Baltimore bridge between Exit 4/Md. 295 and Exit 6/I-97 and Md. 2 spur.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 25, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
Does anyone know which segment of Interstate highway is likely to be the next segment whose posted speed limit is increased to 70mph? The announcement of the increase for I-70 seemed to appear without much fanfare.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on July 28, 2016, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 25, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
Does anyone know which segment of Interstate highway is likely to be the next segment whose posted speed limit is increased to 70mph? The announcement of the increase for I-70 seemed to appear without much fanfare.
My guess is either I-83 or the US 50-US 13 bypass.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 28, 2016, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: mattpedersen on July 28, 2016, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 25, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
Does anyone know which segment of Interstate highway is likely to be the next segment whose posted speed limit is increased to 70mph? The announcement of the increase for I-70 seemed to appear without much fanfare.
My guess is either I-83 or the US 50-US 13 bypass.

U.S. 50 (John Hanson Highway) from Md. 410 in New Carrollton to Md. 665 should be a candidate.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 28, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
I too have many pictures of the new Speed Limit 70 signs on I-70. The easternmost one is located immediately west of the U.S. 29 interchange where I-70 temporarily contracts to two lanes in each direction. I was very surprised to see that because I was only expecting the increase to be west of Frederick, or even west of Hagerstown. Never did I foresee a 70 mph speed limit in Ellicott City, Maryland.

This is that picture:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fny1YNZF.jpg&hash=ebf09dd346ea9f8530c7d147855dd6b7dd79e569)

I think I-83 between Shawan Road and the PA line will be the next to get upped. In fact, with much of the Pennsylvania Turnpike also at 70 mph, I'm not against PA's southernmost ten miles of I-83 (up to Loganville) and also maybe between about exits 24 and 36 (between York and Harrisburg) getting increased to 70 as well. I do about 75 on I-83 north of Hunt Valley anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: CentralPAGal on July 28, 2016, 10:13:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 28, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
I think I-83 between Shawan Road and the PA line will be the next to get upped. In fact, with much of the Pennsylvania Turnpike also at 70 mph, I'm not against PA's southernmost ten miles of I-83 (up to Loganville) and also maybe between about exits 24 and 36 (between York and Harrisburg) getting increased to 70 as well. I do about 75 on I-83 north of Hunt Valley anyway.

I'm with you on the southernmost 10 miles of I-83 in PA being upped to 70 (up to exit 14, actually), but Exits 24-36? Just no. 24-28 is alright, but north of there is too narrow IMO
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on July 30, 2016, 03:01:24 AM
Quote from: CentralPAguy on July 28, 2016, 10:13:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 28, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
I think I-83 between Shawan Road and the PA line will be the next to get upped. In fact, with much of the Pennsylvania Turnpike also at 70 mph, I'm not against PA's southernmost ten miles of I-83 (up to Loganville) and also maybe between about exits 24 and 36 (between York and Harrisburg) getting increased to 70 as well. I do about 75 on I-83 north of Hunt Valley anyway.

I'm with you on the southernmost 10 miles of I-83 in PA being upped to 70 (up to exit 14, actually), but Exits 24-36? Just no. 24-28 is alright, but north of there is too narrow IMO
The PA Turnpike has narrow sections that are 70. Some of the roadway east of Somerset is narrow and is 70 mph. East of the Highspire Service Plaza is also narrow. Both are at 70, and there's still some sections that are narrow.

I'd have I-83 have the following 70 stretches:

MD Line to Exit 15 (I-83 Bus)
Exit 22 (PA 181) to Exit 32 (PA 382)
Exit 46 (US 322/I-283) to Exit 51 (I-81)

Fixed the route numbers for you. PA 183 should be PA 181, and PA 392 should be PA 382 (if referring to Exit 32).-Mark
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 30, 2016, 05:40:47 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 30, 2016, 03:01:24 AM
Quote from: CentralPAguy on July 28, 2016, 10:13:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 28, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
I think I-83 between Shawan Road and the PA line will be the next to get upped. In fact, with much of the Pennsylvania Turnpike also at 70 mph, I'm not against PA's southernmost ten miles of I-83 (up to Loganville) and also maybe between about exits 24 and 36 (between York and Harrisburg) getting increased to 70 as well. I do about 75 on I-83 north of Hunt Valley anyway.

I'm with you on the southernmost 10 miles of I-83 in PA being upped to 70 (up to exit 14, actually), but Exits 24-36? Just no. 24-28 is alright, but north of there is too narrow IMO
The PA Turnpike has narrow sections that are 70. Some of the roadway east of Somerset is narrow and is 70 mph. East of the Highspire Service Plaza is also narrow. Both are at 70, and there's still some sections that are narrow.

I'd have I-83 have the following 70 stretches:
MD Line to Exit 15 (I-83 Bus)
Exit 22 (PA 181) to Exit 32 (PA 382)
Exit 46 (US 322/I-283) to Exit 51 (I-81)

From seeing PA's motives on speed limits, I could only see the portion south of Exit 14 maybe becoming 70 in the future.  North of York has areas that are narrow as mentioned.

Also the portion from the Eisenhower Interchange to I-81 is undergoing a widening project in a few years (ultimately with planned widening to 19th St (Exit 44) throughout the next 15 years).  Considering I-81 is still 55 from west of US 11/US 15 (Exit 65) to Paxtonia/Linglestown (Exit 72), I have a hard time believing that a widened I-83 would have a higher speed limit than 55 unless PA decides to make 60 mph speed limits exist.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 30, 2016, 09:34:11 AM
Please don't exceed 70 on I-70 east of Frederick (I mean, it's obviously against state laws to exceed it anywhere on I-70 west of Ellicott City). Just yesterday I hit 80 going eastbound at about MM 66 west of Mount Airy. That stretch between exits 62 and 68 is very curvy. Pretty sure I almost ran off the highway. I was in the left lane flying past a tractor-trailer and suddenly I'm going 80 when I should really be doing about 60. Don't be stupid like me.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 01, 2016, 09:25:36 PM
Online chat between Dr. Gridlock of the Washington Post and Maryland's Secretary of Transportation Pete Rahn from a week ago is here (https://live.washingtonpost.com/gridlock0725.html).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 11, 2016, 11:17:51 PM
Baltimore Sun: Hogan's clash with Democrats over transportation spending reignited (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-transportation-bill-20160811-story.html)

QuoteA bitter fight between Gov. Larry Hogan and the Democratic leaders of the General Assembly – over a law governing how billions of state dollars will be spent on transportation projects – is flaring anew.

QuoteHogan vehemently opposes the law, which creates a scoring system that could help determine which projects receive state funding. But the Republican administration had been pushing it into effect more quickly than lawmakers intended.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 17, 2016, 10:40:18 PM
Baltimore Sun editorial: Hogan's roadblock (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-transportation-20160817-story.html)

QuoteAs hundreds of local officials make the trek to Ocean City this week for the annual Maryland Association of Counties conference, they'll have plenty of reason to think about the state's transportation system, and not just because of backups on Route 50. This week brings yet another salvo in the fight between the Hogan administration and the General Assembly over a new law requiring the Department of Transportation to develop a ranking system for highway projects. It's like a messy divorce with local governments playing the role of the children caught in the middle.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on August 19, 2016, 09:11:38 PM
U.S. 113 is closed at the railroad crossing just south of Newark, MD (between Berlin and Snow Hill) per Google Maps.  Are they redoing the crossing?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 19, 2016, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: ixnay on August 19, 2016, 09:11:38 PM
U.S. 113 is closed at the railroad crossing just south of Newark, MD (between Berlin and Snow Hill) per Google Maps.  Are they redoing the crossing?

This (http://roads.maryland.gov/Pages/release.aspx?newsId=2612) appears to be the only project currently going on in the U.S. 113 Corridor in Maryland.  Apparently this closure is about stormwater management pipes associated with widening and dualizing of U.S. 113, not grade crossing work (and  it  is not clear to me if they will build an overpass at the railroad tracks or not as part of the project).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 19, 2016, 11:02:33 PM
And the fun continues.

Washington Post: Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan plans to call for repeal of a transportation-funding law (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/gov-larry-hogan-plans-to-call-for-the-repeal-of-a-transportation-funding-law/2016/08/19/89424740-663b-11e6-8b27-bb8ba39497a2_story.html)

QuoteMaryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) plans to call for the repeal of a new transportation finance law opposed by him and by county officials who are alarmed by the scores their projects have received under a state system for prioritizing funding.

QuoteSt. Mary's Board of County Commissioners President James Randy Guy (R) said he talked with the governor about the issue at the Maryland Association of Counties summer conference in Ocean City, which is the state's largest annual gathering of elected officials.

Quote"He said we need to repeal the bill,"  Guy said. "What will happen now, who knows?"  
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 21, 2016, 07:35:41 AM
With the Dems controlling the Assembly, and them and Hogan at odds about transportation to begin with, I put the odds at a repeal at basically nil...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 21, 2016, 10:12:21 AM
I'm not going to pretend I know exactly what the transportation bill mess is about. I don't know if the bill is "good" or "bad". What I do know is that politics is really ugly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 22, 2016, 11:50:13 AM
I saw some work being done in the median of I-95 in between the Raphel Road overpass and the Gunpowder Falls bridge this morning. There were two concrete barriers on either end of the median. Does anyone think this is preliminary work for the proposed extension of the express toll lanes?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on August 27, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
The impasse continues in front of that hardware/lumber store in Berlin, MD...

http://mdcoastdispatch.com/2016/08/25/no-resolution-in-sight-for-berlin-road-impasse/

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on August 29, 2016, 02:45:53 PM
I'm curious to know if anyone noticed that at Exit 93 on I-95, they are apparently replacing the high mast lights.  Has anyone noticed that?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 30, 2016, 06:01:39 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 22, 2016, 11:50:13 AM
I saw some work being done in the median of I-95 in between the Raphel Road overpass and the Gunpowder Falls bridge this morning. There were two concrete barriers on either end of the median. Does anyone think this is preliminary work for the proposed extension of the express toll lanes?

I do not think it is directly related to the extension of the ETLs. As far as I know, no extension has been put in the MDTA construction program (and the replacement of the Harry Nice Bridge should be a higher priority anyway).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on August 30, 2016, 10:17:18 AM
According to Historic Aerials, I-195 had a full stub end (http://historicaerials.com?layer=T1986&zoom=16&lat=39.24514974976048&lon=-76.71675682067871) at MD 166 before the park and ride was built. However, I can't seem to find any information on plans to extend it farther west. Was 195 intended to go anywhere farther, or were those stubs always meant for a park and ride?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on August 30, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
What's the best place to look for upcoming signing projects details in MD or Baltimore city?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 30, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on August 30, 2016, 10:17:18 AM
According to Historic Aerials, I-195 had a full stub end (http://historicaerials.com?layer=T1986&zoom=16&lat=39.24514974976048&lon=-76.71675682067871) at MD 166 before the park and ride was built. However, I can't seem to find any information on plans to extend it farther west. Was 195 intended to go anywhere farther, or were those stubs always meant for a park and ride?

The 1980 Baltimore County Master Plan (http://resources.baltimorecountymd.gov/Documents/Planning/masterplan/masterplan1980.pdf) has a map that suggests what might-have-been.  In short, it looks like it would have followed the east side of the Patapsco River valley up to I-70 about halfway between US 29 and I-695.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2016, 01:04:21 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on August 30, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
What's the best place to look for upcoming signing projects details in MD or Baltimore city?

Maryland Marketplace (https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/) is where IFBs for new signing projects to be done by contractors for SHA or MDTA are posted.

Click "open bids."

Bid numbers for SHA projects will start with MDJ02.  MDTA projects will start with  MDJ07.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2016, 01:15:34 AM
Washington Post: Hogan: $5 million study set for new Chesapeake Bay crossing (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/hogan-5-million-study-set-for-new-chesapeake-bay-crossing/2016/08/30/27d3e2c2-6eef-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_story.html)



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
Hogan doesn't even try to hide his contempt for Baltimore and the close-in DC suburbs anymore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
Hogan doesn't even try to hide his contempt for Baltimore and the close-in DC suburbs anymore.

A fair amount of people from those jurisdictions also cross the Chesapeake Bay - and some do it frequently. 

But the voters in Baltimore City, Montgomery County and Prince George's County did not bother to go to the polls in 2014 (turnout in Montgomery County was close to record-poor), perhaps because they were not impressed with then-Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown's campaign. 

In the meantime, Hogan played-up the large cost of the Red Line light rail (mostly in Baltimore, now entirely cancelled) and the Purple Line light rail (costs were cut-back and some shifted to the counties, now on ice for now thanks to the Town of Chevy Chase lawsuit), and the stormwater runoff tax (which his campaign called a "rain tax").   

Many voters in Harford County; Anne Arundel County and Frederick County (plus essentially every other exurban or rural county statewide) perceived absolutely no benefit from those proposed light rail lines, and the Hogan campaign knew it.

So Baltimore City and Montgomery and Prince George's Counties  have themselves to blame.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 12:53:26 PM
At least you implicitly admit that these state-level highway projects aren't done in the interests of the state, but rather as political rewards/punishments.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 12:53:26 PM
At least you implicitly admit that these state-level highway projects aren't done in the interests of the state, but rather as political rewards/punishments.

There will always be politics in the funding of transportation projects.

Like it or not, Larry Hogan, Jr. (R) won the 2014 election for governor of Maryland.

If there were no politics, the Harry W. Nice Bridge would have been replaced decades ago, and the ICC would have been built in the 1980's, and there would probably be more road capacity crossing the Chesapeake Bay right now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 31, 2016, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2016, 01:15:34 AM
Washington Post: Hogan: $5 million study set for new Chesapeake Bay crossing (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/hogan-5-million-study-set-for-new-chesapeake-bay-crossing/2016/08/30/27d3e2c2-6eef-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_story.html)
The last paragraph which is separate from the headline is what caught my eye:
QuoteThe governor also announced a new state license plate that will feature Maryland's flag. The Maryland Department of Transportation's Motor Vehicle Administration will start issuing the new plate on Monday, Sept. 26 for all passenger cars, SUVs, trucks, motorcycles and multipurpose vehicles.
Which can be seen here:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-license-plates-20160830-story.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 02:58:37 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 12:53:26 PM
At least you implicitly admit that these state-level highway projects aren't done in the interests of the state, but rather as political rewards/punishments.

There will always be politics in the funding of transportation projects.

Like it or not, Larry Hogan, Jr. (R) won the 2014 election for governor of Maryland.

If there were no politics, the Harry W. Nice Bridge would have been replaced decades ago, and the ICC would have been built in the 1980's, and there would probably be more road capacity crossing the Chesapeake Bay right now.

Except for the fact that Virginia has recently adopted a points-based ranking syste, however imperfect: http://vasmartscale.org/projects/

QuoteVirginia's SMART SCALE (§33.2-21.4) is about picking the right transportation projects for funding and ensuring the best use of limited tax dollars. It is the method of scoring planned projects included in VTrans that are funded by HB 1887. Transportation projects are scored based on an objective, outcome-based process that is transparent to the public and allows decision-makers to be held accountable to taxpayers. Once projects are scored and prioritized, the Commonwealth Transportation Board (CTB) has the best information possible to select the right projects for funding.

Maryland, on the other hand, has had a similar initiative, but has run into the opposition of Larry Hogan, Jr. (R): http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-transportation-scoring-20160319-story.html

QuoteDefying Republican Gov. Larry Hogan, the Democratic-led House of Delegates approved legislation Saturday that would create a system for ranking transportation projects – a plan the administration vehemently opposes.

So from my perspective, it seems like Larry Hogan, Jr. (R) didn't want to lose his perogative to dole out goodies to his political base. Not saying that other governors (from either party) wouldn't react the same, but it is worth noting that Terence Richard "Terry" McAuliffe (D) didn't pout when the Smart Scale bill came across his desk.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 08:17:50 AM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 02:58:37 PM
So from my perspective, it seems like Larry Hogan, Jr. (R) didn't want to lose his perogative to dole out goodies to his political base. Not saying that other governors (from either party) wouldn't react the same, but it is worth noting that Terence Richard "Terry" McAuliffe (D) didn't pout when the Smart Scale bill came across his desk.

The bill (and scoring system) approved by Gov. McAuliffe is quite different from the one that the Maryland General Assembly passed. 

For one thing, the Commonwealth's scoring scheme excludes the unworkable obsession that many Maryland Democrats have with mass transit and attempting to force residents to use same.  FTR, I am a lifelong registered Maryland Democrat.

Maryland's former Secretary of Transportation, Delegate Bob Flanagan (R-9B, Howard County), wrote a critique of the Maryland scheme that you may read here (http://marylandreporter.com/2016/04/06/scoring-the-transportation-scoring-system-in-hb1013/).

Some of what Flanagan wrote:

QuoteThe scoring system is built on the ideology of 1000 Friends of Maryland. It relies on neglecting highway needs in order to benefit transit, on the theory that this will reduce congestion on roadways.  This is an unproven and factually unsupported goal.

QuoteFor example, the advocates for the Purple Line were forced to admit that traffic would not be alleviated on the Washington Beltway after the project was completed.

QuoteThe scoring system does not have a strategy for promoting mobility; it does not recognize the need or encourage its development. Instead the scoring system would irrationally obstruct a strategy for managing congestion/promoting mobility. Projects like the Route 32 widening and Route 29 widening have a demonstrable transportation strategy.  1,000 friends of Maryland strongly opposed both of these projects.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on September 01, 2016, 09:14:42 AM
It doesn't have to be either-or. Nothern Virginia is building new lanes (Beltway HOT, 66 HOT, other projecst) as well as mass transit (Silver Line Phase II, BRT in Alexandria). You can have both, and there's more to transportation planning beyond the tired "build more lanes" appproach to everything. Didn't Maryland get slammed recently in the Post for falling behind on investment?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on September 01, 2016, 09:14:42 AM
It doesn't have to be either-or. Nothern Virginia is building new lanes (Beltway HOT, 66 HOT, other projecst) as well as mass transit (Silver Line Phase II, BRT in Alexandria). You can have both, and there's more to transportation planning beyond the tired "build more lanes" appproach to everything. Didn't Maryland get slammed recently in the Post for falling behind on investment?

Remind me when Maryland last built a lane on any of its urban freeways that was not HOV or toll? 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
Baltimore Sun editorial: The Bay Bridge problem (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-bay-bridge-20160831-story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 01, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
QuoteRemind me when Maryland last built a lane on any of its urban freeways that was not HOV or toll?

I-70 through Frederick over the past few years.  I-695 in the southwest corner.  Technically the local/express weirdness near FedEx Field through Largo added a lane as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 01, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
QuoteRemind me when Maryland last built a lane on any of its urban freeways that was not HOV or toll?

I-70 through Frederick over the past few years.  I-695 in the southwest corner.  Technically the local/express weirdness near FedEx Field through Largo added a lane as well.

The I-70 project was part of upgrading from what had been the old Frederick Bypass (U.S. 40). I-695 was from South of I-70 to I-95 (parts of which are complete, other parts still under construction).  The section at FedEx Field will be obsolete as soon  as the Redskins leave (team owner Dan Snyder already making plans to leave Maryland, even though  he is contractually  bound to be there until after the 2027 season).

These all have one thing in common - short, and more about safety than improving traffic flow.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on September 01, 2016, 02:01:30 PM
If we're not widening freeways (non toll or HOT wise) or doing mass transit, what exactly are we as a state doing?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 01, 2016, 03:40:27 PM
QuoteThese all have one thing in common - short, and more about safety than improving traffic flow.

I would disagree with you on the latter regarding the I-70 and I-695 improvements.  695 especially was all about traffic flow.

Forgot another one:  MD 295 was widened between I-195 and I-695 about 5-6 years ago.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on September 01, 2016, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 08:17:50 AM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on August 31, 2016, 02:58:37 PM
So from my perspective, it seems like Larry Hogan, Jr. (R) didn't want to lose his perogative to dole out goodies to his political base. Not saying that other governors (from either party) wouldn't react the same, but it is worth noting that Terence Richard "Terry" McAuliffe (D) didn't pout when the Smart Scale bill came across his desk.

The bill (and scoring system) approved by Gov. McAuliffe is quite different from the one that the Maryland General Assembly passed. 

For one thing, the Commonwealth's scoring scheme excludes the unworkable obsession that many Maryland Democrats have with mass transit and attempting to force residents to use same.  FTR, I am a lifelong registered Maryland Democrat.

Maryland's former Secretary of Transportation, Delegate Bob Flanagan (R-9B, Howard County), wrote a critique of the Maryland scheme that you may read here (http://marylandreporter.com/2016/04/06/scoring-the-transportation-scoring-system-in-hb1013/).

Some of what Flanagan wrote:

QuoteThe scoring system is built on the ideology of 1000 Friends of Maryland. It relies on neglecting highway needs in order to benefit transit, on the theory that this will reduce congestion on roadways.  This is an unproven and factually unsupported goal.

QuoteFor example, the advocates for the Purple Line were forced to admit that traffic would not be alleviated on the Washington Beltway after the project was completed.

QuoteThe scoring system does not have a strategy for promoting mobility; it does not recognize the need or encourage its development. Instead the scoring system would irrationally obstruct a strategy for managing congestion/promoting mobility. Projects like the Route 32 widening and Route 29 widening have a demonstrable transportation strategy.  1,000 friends of Maryland strongly opposed both of these projects.
The local MPO also used a scoring sheet for the last TIP update.  Like the Maryland one, it very heavily weighted complete streets/smart growth/transit; it didn't even include current facility condition (though it did at least include a section on whether it was a major route or not).

http://www.cdtcmpo.org/tipdoc16/solicitation/solicitation.htm
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 11:09:11 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 01, 2016, 03:40:27 PM
QuoteThese all have one thing in common - short, and more about safety than improving traffic flow.

I would disagree with you on the latter regarding the I-70 and I-695 improvements.  695 especially was all about traffic flow.

Forgot another one:  MD 295 was widened between I-195 and I-695 about 5-6 years ago.

Less than 2 miles.  I think it was done in association with the replacement of the bridge that carries West Nursery Road over 295. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 01, 2016, 08:09:09 PM
The local MPO also used a scoring sheet for the last TIP update.  Like the Maryland one, it very heavily weighted complete streets/smart growth/transit; it didn't even include current facility condition (though it did at least include a section on whether it was a major route or not).

http://www.cdtcmpo.org/tipdoc16/solicitation/solicitation.htm

No amount of Smart Growth policy across the U.S. outside of Metropolitan New York City is going to bring transit ridership to the level of ridership into and out of Manhattan.

That does not prevent promoters of such policy  from making such claims.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on September 02, 2016, 12:32:47 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 01, 2016, 08:09:09 PM
The local MPO also used a scoring sheet for the last TIP update.  Like the Maryland one, it very heavily weighted complete streets/smart growth/transit; it didn't even include current facility condition (though it did at least include a section on whether it was a major route or not).

http://www.cdtcmpo.org/tipdoc16/solicitation/solicitation.htm

No amount of Smart Growth policy across the U.S. outside of Metropolitan New York City is going to bring transit ridership to the level of ridership into and out of Manhattan.

That does not prevent promoters of such policy  from making such claims.

I agree and that is solely because of population density. If fuel prices skyrocket to European prices, that might change, but until then, people love their cars too much. People in Metro New York don't have the same level of attachment to driving everywhere and transit usage is reinforced from a young age due to the cost and time associated with driving.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2016, 09:02:19 AM
Quote from: cl94 on September 02, 2016, 12:32:47 AM
I agree and that is solely because of population density. If fuel prices skyrocket to European prices, that might change, but until then, people love their cars too much. People in Metro New York don't have the same level of attachment to driving everywhere and transit usage is reinforced from a young age due to the cost and time associated with driving.

Given that U.S. politicians are usually terrified of raising motor fuel  prices enough just to maintain the built system already in place, I doubt there will ever be per-gallon or per-liter prices on fuel close to what can be found across the pond.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 02, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
QuoteNo amount of Smart Growth policy across the U.S. outside of Metropolitan New York City is going to bring transit ridership to the level of ridership into and out of Manhattan.

That does not prevent promoters of such policy  from making such claims.

Who is making such a claim?  I have not heard such from the people I know in the DC area.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on September 02, 2016, 11:26:31 AM
Of course nobody's making that claim. It's a straw-man argument used by people who only see mobility in terms of the state government building more road lanes, so any investment in transportation that isn't more road-lanes must be an effort "to force people into mass transit". Heaven forbid the state government try to make mass transit more efficicent (i.e. Purple Line) as a standalone goal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2016, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 02, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
QuoteNo amount of Smart Growth policy across the U.S. outside of Metropolitan New York City is going to bring transit ridership to the level of ridership into and out of Manhattan.

That does not prevent promoters of such policy  from making such claims.

Who is making such a claim?  I have not heard such from the people I know in the DC area.

It was made repeatedly during the planning and promoting of Metro in the 1960's and 1970's, and Montgomery County's transit promoters have said it from time to time, usually in association with with the phrase "we cannot build our way out of congestion" (but implicitly stating that if the transit lines they want are built, then highway traffic congestion will go away).

You can read one example of such claims from the Montgomery County Sierra Club here (http://www.sierraclub.org/maryland/montgomery-county/transportation-and-how-it-relates-smart-growth) and this gem (http://www.purplelinenow.com/light_rail).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on September 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2016, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 02, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
QuoteNo amount of Smart Growth policy across the U.S. outside of Metropolitan New York City is going to bring transit ridership to the level of ridership into and out of Manhattan.

That does not prevent promoters of such policy  from making such claims.

Who is making such a claim?  I have not heard such from the people I know in the DC area.

It was made repeatedly during the planning and promoting of Metro in the 1960's and 1970's, and Montgomery County's transit promoters have said it from time to time, usually in association with with the phrase "we cannot build our way out of congestion" (but implicitly stating that if the transit lines they want are built, then highway traffic congestion will go away).

You can read one example of such claims from the Montgomery County Sierra Club here (http://www.sierraclub.org/maryland/montgomery-county/transportation-and-how-it-relates-smart-growth) and this gem (http://www.purplelinenow.com/light_rail).

I suppose then that you in fact believe that we can build our way out of congestion. I'd love to see your vision for the DC area...

Obviously transit serves to move people who live or commute along transit lines. If we wanted to improve highway speeds we'd build more highways....the statements about transit helping highways is just good politics on the part of pro-transit folks to get non-transit users on board (it makes motorists believe that if they support transit, that their own motoring experience will improve).

It's sort of like how I usually sign petitions supporting bike lanes. Usually there will be a statement about how bike lanes will help with traffic. Well duh, obviously they won't have a major impact, but they'll move bike users faster than otherwise, which is the point of them.

In other words, sure it's dishonest to claim that transit and bike lane investments will help automobile traffic, but I don't see it as any different than the pro-highway crowd making unrealistic claims about highways being tools of economic development. With limited resources you usually need to exaggerate or lie in politics to get your issue to the front of the line.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2016, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on September 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2016, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 02, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
QuoteNo amount of Smart Growth policy across the U.S. outside of Metropolitan New York City is going to bring transit ridership to the level of ridership into and out of Manhattan.

That does not prevent promoters of such policy  from making such claims.

Who is making such a claim?  I have not heard such from the people I know in the DC area.

It was made repeatedly during the planning and promoting of Metro in the 1960's and 1970's, and Montgomery County's transit promoters have said it from time to time, usually in association with with the phrase "we cannot build our way out of congestion" (but implicitly stating that if the transit lines they want are built, then highway traffic congestion will go away).

You can read one example of such claims from the Montgomery County Sierra Club here (http://www.sierraclub.org/maryland/montgomery-county/transportation-and-how-it-relates-smart-growth) and this gem (http://www.purplelinenow.com/light_rail).

I suppose then that you in fact believe that we can build our way out of congestion. I'd love to see your vision for the DC area...

For starters, price every freeway and federal parkway high enough to assure reasonably  free-flow, probably with free or discount passage for HOV-3 vehicles and all buses.  First call on that revenue must be  to repair and in some cases expand the roads on which the revenues are collected.

Quote from: AlexandriaVA on September 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
Obviously transit serves to move people who live or commute along transit lines. If we wanted to improve highway speeds we'd build more highways....the statements about transit helping highways is just good politics on the part of pro-transit folks to get non-transit users on board (it makes motorists believe that if they support transit, that their own motoring experience will improve).

Good politics but often unsupported by  facts, especially in travel markets that have little hope of attracting much in the way of transit patronage.

Quote from: AlexandriaVA on September 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
It's sort of like how I usually sign petitions supporting bike lanes. Usually there will be a statement about how bike lanes will help with traffic. Well duh, obviously they won't have a major impact, but they'll move bike users faster than otherwise, which is the point of them.

I like bike lanes (mostly real bike lanes, safely separated from motorized traffic), and believe they should be built when possible, especially when improving or widening a highway or building an entirely new highway.  Examples include I-66 inside the Beltway, the Wilson Bridge and Md. 200 (but the bike trail along 200 is great but not close to complete due to the failure of Montgomery County and Prince George's County elected officials to aggressively promote same).

Quote from: AlexandriaVA on September 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
In other words, sure it's dishonest to claim that transit and bike lane investments will help automobile traffic, but I don't see it as any different than the pro-highway crowd making unrealistic claims about highways being tools of economic development. With limited resources you usually need to exaggerate or lie in politics to get your issue to the front of the line.

Regarding economic development and highways, I refer you to the East-West Divide. 

East has very little high-quality highway access to the D.C. core, and not much to National and Dulles Airports. 

West does better with those metrics.  Remember that company managers local and from out of town (who generally make decisions about where to site a business) do not want to spend hours stuck in traffic to get to and from the airport. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2016, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 01, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
Baltimore Sun editorial: The Bay Bridge problem (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-bay-bridge-20160831-story.html)

Annapolis Evening Capital editorial: Hogan's historic step is just the first for a new Bay Bridge (http://www.capitalgazette.com/opinion/our_say/ph-ac-ce-our-say-0901-20160901-story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2016, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on September 01, 2016, 02:01:30 PM
If we're not widening freeways (non toll or HOT wise) or doing mass transit, what exactly are we as a state doing?

Not much.  There are IMO many elected officials that prefer that approach, because this is a controversial subject. 

When constituents complain about congestion, the elected officials can  respond that it is "being studied" (the classic Montgomery County approach).

They  can also say  that "transit is a priority" in the area in question, even though transit does not generally produce reductions in highway traffic congestion, at least not in Maryland.

Then can also say that "there is no money" for that (regardless of the merits of that, something that tax-averse elected officials presumably like, since they do not want to increase state motor fuel taxes) or "it's not in the master plan" (also a preferred Montgomery County approach).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 08, 2016, 02:11:16 PM
Does anyone know if the US 301 Gov. Harry Nice Memorial Bridge across the Potomac will ever be widened to 4 lanes? The approaches on the Virginia and Maryland sides of the bridge are 4 lanes for extensive lengths.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on September 08, 2016, 04:29:46 PM
Studying the alternatives and choosing one has been done.  But no funding for anything else AFAIK.
http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/Nicebridge/nice_index.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 20, 2016, 08:16:07 AM
Washington Post: New coalition wants a better ride for I-270 commuters (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2016/09/19/new-coalition-wants-a-better-ride-for-i-270-commuters/)

QuoteA political, civic and business coalition launched a campaign Monday to build support for what one leader described as "transformative"  change along traffic-choked Interstate 270 in Maryland.

QuoteFor their campaign kickoff, the group was savvy about picking a backdrop: They positioned themselves atop a slope in Germantown leading down to the highway. Through the wrap-up of their news conference about 9:15 a.m., the southbound traffic remained heavy and slow heading to the Capital Beltway, 16 miles away.

QuoteThe coalition wants to revive dormant state studies that could lead to the addition of express toll lanes, which could manage traffic and provide lane space and financial support for a regional rapid bus system. The regional buses would provide a limited stop service between Frederick and Rock Spring Park in the North Bethesda area, offering connections along the way to other transit and bus services. The coalition also supports construction of a local rapid bus system, known as the Corridor Cities Transitway, to link centers of activity between Shady Grove and Clarksburg.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 20, 2016, 08:16:55 AM
Quote from: BrianP on September 08, 2016, 04:29:46 PM
Studying the alternatives and choosing one has been done.  But no funding for anything else AFAIK.
http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/Nicebridge/nice_index.html

Unfortunately, you are correct.  And the toll cuts courtesy of Gov. Larry Hogan on all state toll roads and toll crossings did not help.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 20, 2016, 05:38:17 PM
About the Fix 270 Now coalition: I would say that everything the coalition wants should be implemented. And it should run the entire length of Interstate 270, and also find a way to do the same to the Capital Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 21, 2016, 11:22:25 AM
Why Maryland needs a reckless driving law like Virginia (with a criminal record, jail time and vehicle forfeiture provisions) in the next meeting of the General Assembly:

Bikers pursued by police after reckless driving, heckling off-duty Md. trooper (http://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2016/09/bikers-pursued-by-police-after-heckling-off-duty-md-trooper-reckless-driving/)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on October 16, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Going off topic here, I would like to ask you all if anyone has noticed the brand new high mast lights on I-95 at exit 93, and if you all have noticed them, I would like to ask you all what you think of those new high mast lights compared to the old ones that were previously there?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Going off topic here, I would like to ask you all if anyone has noticed the brand new high mast lights on I-95 at exit 93, and if you all have noticed them, I would like to ask you all what you think of those new high mast lights compared to the old ones that were previously there?

I have not been by there recently in the dark, so I do not know, though I recall that MDTA recently advertised a contract for high-mast light replacements.  Are the new high-masts using  some sort of LED technology, or are they still sodium vapor?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on October 16, 2016, 04:50:22 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Going off topic here, I would like to ask you all if anyone has noticed the brand new high mast lights on I-95 at exit 93, and if you all have noticed them, I would like to ask you all what you think of those new high mast lights compared to the old ones that were previously there?

I have not been by there recently in the dark, so I do not know, though I recall that MDTA recently advertised a contract for high-mast light replacements.  Are the new high-masts using  some sort of LED technology, or are they still sodium vapor?

The old high masts at exit 93 actually used mercury vapor, I'm not sure what the new ones are using though.  Where did you find that contract advertisement by the way?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 04:50:22 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Going off topic here, I would like to ask you all if anyone has noticed the brand new high mast lights on I-95 at exit 93, and if you all have noticed them, I would like to ask you all what you think of those new high mast lights compared to the old ones that were previously there?

I have not been by there recently in the dark, so I do not know, though I recall that MDTA recently advertised a contract for high-mast light replacements.  Are the new high-masts using  some sort of LED technology, or are they still sodium vapor?

The old high masts at exit 93 actually used mercury vapor, I'm not sure what the new ones are using though.  Where did you find that contract advertisement by the way?

I  think I saw it on Maryland Marketplace - or maybe in the MDTA section of the Maryland DOT Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP), which means it may not have shown up in Maryland Marketplace (not an especially user-friendly site).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on October 16, 2016, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 04:50:22 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Going off topic here, I would like to ask you all if anyone has noticed the brand new high mast lights on I-95 at exit 93, and if you all have noticed them, I would like to ask you all what you think of those new high mast lights compared to the old ones that were previously there?

I have not been by there recently in the dark, so I do not know, though I recall that MDTA recently advertised a contract for high-mast light replacements.  Are the new high-masts using  some sort of LED technology, or are they still sodium vapor?

The old high masts at exit 93 actually used mercury vapor, I'm not sure what the new ones are using though.  Where did you find that contract advertisement by the way?

I  think I saw it on Maryland Marketplace - or maybe in the MDTA section of the Maryland DOT Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP), which means it may not have shown up in Maryland Marketplace (not an especially user-friendly site).

Okay, I'm mainly making sure you aren't confusing this with the high mast lighting project they plan on doing where they'll be replacing the high masts all along the I-95 corridor in Baltimore as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 02:26:20 PM
Okay, I'm mainly making sure you aren't confusing this with the high mast lighting project they plan on doing where they'll be replacing the high masts all along the I-95 corridor in Baltimore as well.

It may  be. 

I know that the JFK Highway part of I-95 was the probably the last section of Interstate in Maryland to have mercury vapor conventional luminaires, but they were all replaced by sodium vapor when the service plazas were rebuilt.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on October 16, 2016, 10:05:19 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: jcn on October 16, 2016, 02:26:20 PM
Okay, I'm mainly making sure you aren't confusing this with the high mast lighting project they plan on doing where they'll be replacing the high masts all along the I-95 corridor in Baltimore as well.

It may  be. 

I know that the JFK Highway part of I-95 was the probably the last section of Interstate in Maryland to have mercury vapor conventional luminaires, but they were all replaced by sodium vapor when the service plazas were rebuilt.

Turns out it has plans for both projects, and I have to tell you, the new high masts that will be built along the 95 corridor in Baltimore will be quite amazing.  Some of the new high masts will literally have 12 luminaires like at the FMT toll plaza for instance.  The new high masts that will be built in Baltimore are kind of a nod to Houston.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on October 16, 2016, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 21, 2016, 11:22:25 AM
Why Maryland needs a reckless driving law like Virginia (with a criminal record, jail time and vehicle forfeiture provisions) in the next meeting of the General Assembly:

Bikers pursued by police after reckless driving, heckling off-duty Md. trooper (http://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2016/09/bikers-pursued-by-police-after-heckling-off-duty-md-trooper-reckless-driving/)
If they cant identify the motorcyclist ehat good would anither law do? Its already against the law.

LGMS428

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 17, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on October 16, 2016, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 21, 2016, 11:22:25 AM
Why Maryland needs a reckless driving law like Virginia (with a criminal record, jail time and vehicle forfeiture provisions) in the next meeting of the General Assembly:

Bikers pursued by police after reckless driving, heckling off-duty Md. trooper (http://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2016/09/bikers-pursued-by-police-after-heckling-off-duty-md-trooper-reckless-driving/)
If they cant identify the motorcyclist ehat good would anither law do? Its already against the law.

Crotch rocket motorcycles tend to run in packs in Maryland.  One of each pack should be chased-down with a drone aircraft, charged with reckless driving and have his or her motorcycle seized with the intent of forfeiting it.

Problem will eventually go away.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on October 17, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 08, 2016, 02:11:16 PM
Does anyone know if the US 301 Gov. Harry Nice Memorial Bridge across the Potomac will ever be widened to 4 lanes? The approaches on the Virginia and Maryland sides of the bridge are 4 lanes for extensive lengths.
I just don't know if that's feasible, due to the "hump" at the middle of the bridge. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 17, 2016, 04:52:05 PM
Would it be possible to build a new bridge that bypasses that "hump?"
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 17, 2016, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on October 17, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 08, 2016, 02:11:16 PM
Does anyone know if the US 301 Gov. Harry Nice Memorial Bridge across the Potomac will ever be widened to 4 lanes? The approaches on the Virginia and Maryland sides of the bridge are 4 lanes for extensive lengths.
I just don't know if that's feasible, due to the "hump" at the middle of the bridge. But I could be wrong.

The way that the bridge was designed with a "through" truss span makes it unlikely that it can be widened through the  "hump," which exists there because that's the navigation channel below. Also, the travel lanes across the bridge are narrower than what they should be for current highway design.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on October 30, 2016, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 17, 2016, 04:52:05 PM
Would it be possible to build a new bridge that bypasses that "hump?"
I would think it could be built like i4 over the St Johns River near Sanford,FL. Build 2 new bridges adjacent. They have been collecting tolls for over 70 years, and will forever. 

Really i am surprsed there was not an extra span built in the 1950s or 60s.  Its not like there is anything extraordanary about the crossing location

LGMS428
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 04, 2016, 09:53:39 AM
The project to replace the at-grade signalized intersection at MD-4 (Pennsylvania Avenue) and Suitland Parkway in Forestville has been advertised on Maryland Marketplace, bid number MDJ0231029486 and SHA contract number PG6185170R.

Note that link below may  not work (in other words, you may  have to visit the Maryland Marketplace Web site (https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/) and pull up the contract information by searching there.

https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/external/bidDetail.sdo?bidId=MDJ0231029486&parentUrl=activeBids
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 14, 2016, 10:35:21 PM
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=PG7005116

The new interchange being built on MD 210 in PG County has left entrance and exit ramps similar to those used at the Moravia Road and MD 43 interchanges on I-895 and I-95. I am surprised that this design was chosen, as opposed to a compressed SPUI.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 15, 2016, 07:32:53 AM
Heh. Based on my entirely unscientific observations, putting it on the left means it will be where 75% of the drivers attempt to drive anyway. "Keep Left Except When Utterly Desperate" appears to be the rule of the road over there!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 15, 2016, 10:13:12 AM
Okay, is I-97 being widened south of Crownsville? There was some work going on in the median when I drove through there northbound yesterday.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 15, 2016, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on November 15, 2016, 10:13:12 AM
Okay, is I-97 being widened south of Crownsville? There was some work going on in the median when I drove through there northbound yesterday.

No, not at this time.  That's all work associated with hardening the median barrier and improved stormwater controls.  A widening here could presumably be warranted.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 21, 2016, 02:39:44 PM
Construction to replace the Gov. Nice Bridge with a new four-lane bridge is tentatively set to begin in 2020:

http://wtop.com/maryland/2016/11/maryland-board-approves-building-new-765m-harry-nice-bridge/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 21, 2016, 03:33:12 PM
I'll believe it when it happens, and not a moment beforehand...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on November 21, 2016, 04:45:56 PM
They're going to build a nicer bridge:

http://wtop.com/maryland/2016/11/maryland-board-approves-building-new-765m-harry-nice-bridge/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 21, 2016, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 21, 2016, 02:39:44 PM
Construction to replace the Gov. Nice Bridge with a new four-lane bridge is tentatively set to begin in 2020:

http://wtop.com/maryland/2016/11/maryland-board-approves-building-new-765m-harry-nice-bridge/

Quote from: tckma on November 21, 2016, 04:45:56 PM
They're going to build a nicer bridge:

http://wtop.com/maryland/2016/11/maryland-board-approves-building-new-765m-harry-nice-bridge/

:rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on November 22, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
^ Nicer than Nice?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on December 02, 2016, 09:11:40 PM
MD 90 will be closed in daylight hours all next week for repaving between U.S. 50 and U.S. 113...

http://www.oceancitytoday.net/p/route-90-to-be-closed-for-paving-project-next-week/1601010

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 06, 2016, 10:48:53 AM
WTOP Radio: Md. wants to add new salt barn in Montgomery Co. near Beltway (http://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2016/12/md-wants-add-new-salt-barn-montgomery-co-near-beltway/)

QuoteThere's a plan to build a new winter salt barn right near the Capital Beltway, but some people voiced concerns about it at a public meeting Monday night.

QuoteThe Maryland State Highway Administration wants to build the barn in the right of way along the ramp from the Outer Loop to Connecticut Avenue. A new ramp will be built allowing salt trucks that have loaded at the barn to then cross Connecticut Avenue and get right back on the Beltway.

QuoteThe SHA says the barn will be able to hold up to 10,000 tons of salt, and up to 40 trucks will be able to line up at the site without interfering with traffic using the ramp.

QuoteThe point of the SHA's plan is to expand salt availability to trucks that pre-treat and clear the top side of the Beltway and southern Montgomery County.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 06, 2016, 11:04:40 AM
I'm still trying to understand this one disentor's comment:  "The rescue squad down the street said that it is a disaster for them in the snow trying to get to people up and down the Beltway, and they thought that your site proposal for us here was foolish. And that's their word, not ours,"  said one woman.

I guess if they had a problem with is, maybe they should voice the comment, not someone stating it from hearsay.  How would a salt shed directly on a highway ramp (and much closer than its current location) be foolish?

If there's any gripping, it would be due to the creek in the area.  And salt tends to be contained within the salt yard, so that shouldn't be an issue.

If anything, this pretty much proves that no matter what is proposed, someone is going to find an issue with it.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 06, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 06, 2016, 11:04:40 AM
I'm still trying to understand this one disentor's comment:  "The rescue squad down the street said that it is a disaster for them in the snow trying to get to people up and down the Beltway, and they thought that your site proposal for us here was foolish. And that's their word, not ours,"  said one woman.

Without such a comment coming directly from someone with either Wheaton Rescue Squad or (presumably more likely) Bethesda-Chevy Chase Rescue Squad, I would treat this comment as fiction. 

Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 06, 2016, 11:04:40 AM
I guess if they had a problem with is, maybe they should voice the comment, not someone stating it from hearsay.  How would a salt shed directly on a highway ramp (and much closer than its current location) be foolish?

If there's any gripping, it would be due to the creek in the area.  And salt tends to be contained within the salt yard, so that shouldn't be an issue.

If anything, this pretty much proves that no matter what is proposed, someone is going to find an issue with it.

This is Montgomery County, Maryland, home to a large cottage industry of NIMBYs when it comes to any kind of public works.  Especially highways.

What the story does not mention is that the location proposed for the salt barn used to be a freeway off-ramp, from the Outer Loop (westbound at this point) of I-495 to go south on MD-185 (Connecticut Avenue) via the Kensington Parkway.  That was unfair to the folks on Kensington Parkway, so the interchange was reconfigured to remove the ramp and redirect the traffic another way.  At the same time, a second ramp (from northbound MD-185 to Inner Loop I-495 (eastbound)) was also removed from Kensington Parkway, but the state did not sell any of the land.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on December 10, 2016, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 06, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 06, 2016, 11:04:40 AM
I'm still trying to understand this one disentor's comment:  "The rescue squad down the street said that it is a disaster for them in the snow trying to get to people up and down the Beltway, and they thought that your site proposal for us here was foolish. And that's their word, not ours,"  said one woman.

Without such a comment coming directly from someone with either Wheaton Rescue Squad or (presumably more likely) Bethesda-Chevy Chase Rescue Squad, I would treat this comment as fiction. 

Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 06, 2016, 11:04:40 AM
I guess if they had a problem with is, maybe they should voice the comment, not someone stating it from hearsay.  How would a salt shed directly on a highway ramp (and much closer than its current location) be foolish?

If there's any gripping, it would be due to the creek in the area.  And salt tends to be contained within the salt yard, so that shouldn't be an issue.

If anything, this pretty much proves that no matter what is proposed, someone is going to find an issue with it.

This is Montgomery County, Maryland, home to a large cottage industry of NIMBYs when it comes to any kind of public words.  Especially highways.

What the story does not mention is that the location proposed for the salt barn used to be a freeway off-ramp, from the Outer Loop (westbound at this point) of I-495 to go south on MD-185 (Connecticut Avenue) via the Kensington Parkway.  That was unfair to the folks on Kensington Parkway, so the interchange was reconfigured to remove the ramp and redirect the traffic another way.  At the same time, a second ramp (from northbound MD-185 to Inner Loop I-495 (eastbound)) was also removed from Kensington Parkway, but the state did not sell any of the land.
The Kensington Parkway to Beltway inner loop ramp was removed in the mid 1990s, whereas the Beltway to Kensington Parkway ramp (where the proposed salt barn would be) was removed much earlier.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mattpedersen on December 10, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 04, 2016, 09:53:39 AM
The project to replace the at-grade signalized intersection at MD-4 (Pennsylvania Avenue) and Suitland Parkway in Forestville has been advertised on Maryland Marketplace, bid number MDJ0231029486 and SHA contract number PG6185170R.

Note that link below may  not work (in other words, you may  have to visit the Maryland Marketplace Web site (https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/) and pull up the contract information by searching there.

https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/external/bidDetail.sdo?bidId=MDJ0231029486&parentUrl=activeBids
I'm surprised at the bid only showing two through lanes on MD 4 under the parkway interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 11, 2016, 08:00:20 AM
Quote from: mattpedersen on December 10, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
I'm surprised at the bid only showing two through lanes on MD 4 under the parkway interchange.

As long as the bridge is dimensioned large enough to allow widening later, I am fine with that. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on December 22, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
QuoteMaryland Department of Transportation (MDOT) Secretary Pete K. Rahn today announced that the state has submitted an application to the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) to designate a portion of the Interstate 95 (I-95) corridor in Maryland as a future Automated Vehicle (AV) testing and deployment area. 
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2746
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 24, 2016, 08:16:39 PM
Dr. Gridlock in the Washington Post: Stranger becomes a friend to driver feeling lost and desperate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/stranger-becomes-a-friend-to-driver-feeling-lost-and-desperate/2016/12/24/7d1c3d6e-bbe9-11e6-ac85-094a21c44abc_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on December 26, 2016, 12:11:46 PM
In other news, I-81 has mile markers every 2/10 of a mile. I'll see if I can't snatch a photo next time I come down there. I haven't been south of exit 5, so I'm not sure if they extend to the West Virginia state line.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 17, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
WTOP Radio: Highway of death: Why has Indian Head Highway had so many fatal crashes? (http://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2017/01/highway-death-indian-head-highway-many-fatal-crashes/)

QuoteYou don't have to ask him twice about why Indian Head Highway, otherwise known as Md. 210, is so deadly.

Quote"Aggressive and reckless driving is the order of the day on Indian Head Highway,"  said the Rev. Robert Screen, the chaplain at Fort Washington Medical Center.

QuoteScreen is often called upon in the middle of the night to console the loved ones of those killed or seriously hurt in crashes on the highway, which is near the hospital. He's written letters to Maryland's governor, state police and to Prince George's County's executive and police chief in order to voice his concerns.

Quote"You just haven't had the amount of police awareness, presence, enforcement policies to keep up with the volume of traffic ... and the number of people ... speeding,"  said Screen.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 04, 2017, 09:01:47 PM
New blog feature on the Sideling Hill Cut along I-68 in Western Maryland.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/02/sideling-hill-cut.html 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on February 23, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
http://www.mymcmedia.org/hogan-administration-proceeds-with-watkins-mill-interchange/

QuoteThe interchange has been an issue between Hogan, a Republican, and the Democrats who control the General Assembly. The project was one of 11 in the county that could be canceled because of what Hogan called the "road kill bill,"  legislation that forced the administration to rank transportation projects and to say why certain projects receive state funding.
QuoteThe Watkins Mill Interchange was one of 66 projects that would not score high enough to move forward, Hogan spokeswoman Amelia Chassé said.
Taking what I've learned about scoring projects in Virginia and assuming Maryland's is similar.  I would assume that this project would not score well because of it's price tag of $130 million. 

QuoteThe project, which could have a total cost of about $130 million, is the subject of legislation that would take the unusual step of forcing the state to proceed with the project rather than the normal channels of a project winning local and state support before proceeding.

Del. Kirill Reznik submitted the legislation that would short-circuit the approval process.
The project definitely has local support.  It's state level support that's lacking.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 26, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Maryland's scoring system, as I understand it, has different scoring criteria than Virginia's.  Another thing with the Maryland system, which is why I don't fully understand Hogan's angst, is that the state can still fund projects that don't score well if they document WHY they're funding those projects.  I'm guessing Hogan issue is that he doesn't want to explain why he picked one project over another...because then he might anger some voters...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2017, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 26, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Maryland's scoring system, as I understand it, has different scoring criteria than Virginia's.  Another thing with the Maryland system, which is why I don't fully understand Hogan's angst, is that the state can still fund projects that don't score well if they document WHY they're funding those projects.  I'm guessing Hogan issue is that he doesn't want to explain why he picked one project over another...because then he might anger some voters...

Maryland is a "strong governor" state, and that gives the holder of that office a lot of discretionary power, which has been used in recent years to attempt to cancel transportation projects (such as ex-Gov. Parris Nelson  Glendening and MD-200 and more recently, Gov. Larry Hogan's cancellation of the Baltimore City/Baltimore County Red Line light rail project and cutting-back the Montgomery County/Prince George's County Purple Line light rail project).

You might remember that Hogan ran against the Red Line and Purple Line rail projects, and won a lot of exurban and rural support from people who were being asked to pay for them (and proponents were busy claiming that the fuel tax revenues "belonged to" those projects, not very smart, given that drivers from Oakland to Snow Hill were being asked to fund their construction and operation).  Voter turnout in the counties that were to benefit from the Red and Purple Lines was terrible in 2014, which meant that Hogan defeated then-Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown (and to me meant that the support for the rail projects was loud but not very deep).

For the record, I feel that cancellation of the Baltimore Red Line project was a mistake.  It linked several large employment centers with downtown Baltimore City, passing through areas where people do need improved access to employment.

This (HB1013 (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=hb1013&stab=01&ys=2016RS)) was a backlash against the Red Line cancellation above all, and maybe to a lesser extent against the cutting-back of the Purple Line light rail project.

It also excludes MDTA (toll) projects as well as ADHS highway corridors (not much of that left to do, except for Corridor N, U.S. 219 (Chestnut Ridge Road) north from I-68 to the Pennsylvania border; and possibly (not currently approved parts of ADHS) reconstruction of the deficient part of I-68 in Cumberland and U.S. 220 between Moorefield, W.Va. and I-68). 

People in favor of those (and other) transit projects have been especially  furious about the (small) Corridor N project for some  reason. 

But the HB1013 scoring system IMO does not put highest priority where it belongs, which are transportation system safety improvements; highway traffic congestion relief; and revenues to fund a never-ending list of operating and capital subsidies (ever heard of maintenance backlogs?) for transit.  Virginia's SmartScale (HB2) scoring system (cited by the Maryland legislative analysts at the hyperlink above and misleadingly by anti-highway groups (like this (http://friendsofmd.org/)) in Maryland) does put highway congestion relief at the top of the list. 

The HB1013 scoring system also makes the common mistake of assuming that transit and other alternative modes can somehow reduce highway congestion, even though the evidence of that in Maryland is scant.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 26, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Maryland's scoring system, as I understand it, has different scoring criteria than Virginia's.  Another thing with the Maryland system, which is why I don't fully understand Hogan's angst, is that the state can still fund projects that don't score well if they document WHY they're funding those projects.  I'm guessing Hogan issue is that he doesn't want to explain why he picked one project over another...because then he might anger some voters...


http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/hogan-md-lawmakers-clash-over-transportation-funding-law/article_2eed8c4a-f95d-11e6-9d34-5312e9e4ebd5.html
"That system, which divides the state into several regions so that rural counties aren't competing with more populous Northern Virginia, Richmond or Hampton Roads, "has some merit, but we can't salvage" the Maryland system, he said".

Transportation regions are also a key difference in Virginia's and Maryland's scoring systems. Not sure why Maryland can't just include this in their scoring system as well

Potential transportation regions Maryland could have:
1. West Region
Garrett and Allegany Counties
2. North Region
Washington, Fredrick, and Carroll Counties
3. East region
Eastern shore including Cecil County
4. South Region
Anne Arundal, Charles, St. Marys, Calvert Counties (Includes Annapolis)
5. Baltimore Region
Baltimore City, Baltimore, Harford and Howard Counties
6. Washington Region
Montgomery and Prince George's Counties

If Hogan was to be against a compromise similar to this, then yes I would agree that he is purposely turning Maryland road building into unnecessary politics
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on March 02, 2017, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 26, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Maryland's scoring system, as I understand it, has different scoring criteria than Virginia's.  Another thing with the Maryland system, which is why I don't fully understand Hogan's angst, is that the state can still fund projects that don't score well if they document WHY they're funding those projects.  I'm guessing Hogan issue is that he doesn't want to explain why he picked one project over another...because then he might anger some voters...


https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQx9isUPmSfXuf5ndOCWOK38AodfXpihQBSEoyd5-YViu8ztMEqjw
"That system, which divides the state into several regions so that rural counties aren't competing with more populous Northern Virginia, Richmond or Hampton Roads, "has some merit, but we can't salvage" the Maryland system, he said".

Transportation regions are also a key difference in Virginia's and Maryland's scoring systems. Not sure why Maryland can't just include this in their scoring system as well

Potential transportation regions Maryland could have:
1. West Region
Garrett and Allegany Counties
2. North Region
Washington, Fredrick, and Carroll Counties
3. East region
Eastern shore including Cecil County
4. South Region
Anne Arundal, Charles, St. Marys, Calvert Counties (Includes Annapolis)
5. Baltimore Region
Baltimore City, Baltimore, Harford and Howard Counties
6. Washington Region
Montgomery and Prince George's Counties

If Hogan was to be against a compromise similar to this, then yes I would agree that he is purposely turning Maryland road building into unnecessary politics
So the BWI Airport would be in a different region than Baltimore city. Interesting.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on March 02, 2017, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on March 02, 2017, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 26, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Maryland's scoring system, as I understand it, has different scoring criteria than Virginia's.  Another thing with the Maryland system, which is why I don't fully understand Hogan's angst, is that the state can still fund projects that don't score well if they document WHY they're funding those projects.  I'm guessing Hogan issue is that he doesn't want to explain why he picked one project over another...because then he might anger some voters...


https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQx9isUPmSfXuf5ndOCWOK38AodfXpihQBSEoyd5-YViu8ztMEqjw
"That system, which divides the state into several regions so that rural counties aren't competing with more populous Northern Virginia, Richmond or Hampton Roads, "has some merit, but we can't salvage" the Maryland system, he said".

Transportation regions are also a key difference in Virginia's and Maryland's scoring systems. Not sure why Maryland can't just include this in their scoring system as well

Potential transportation regions Maryland could have:
1. West Region
Garrett and Allegany Counties
2. North Region
Washington, Fredrick, and Carroll Counties
3. East region
Eastern shore including Cecil County
4. South Region
Anne Arundal, Charles, St. Marys, Calvert Counties (Includes Annapolis)
5. Baltimore Region
Baltimore City, Baltimore, Harford and Howard Counties
6. Washington Region
Montgomery and Prince George's Counties

If Hogan was to be against a compromise similar to this, then yes I would agree that he is purposely turning Maryland road building into unnecessary politics
So the BWI Airport would be in a different region than Baltimore city. Interesting.

I wanted the state capital Annapolis to be its own region so that the Washington and Baltimore Regions could be more balanced. I do however definitely understand your point given Anne Arundel County has BWI, a portion of I-695(Baltimore Beltway) and touches the City of Balitmore
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2017, 07:31:02 AM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 26, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Maryland's scoring system, as I understand it, has different scoring criteria than Virginia's.  Another thing with the Maryland system, which is why I don't fully understand Hogan's angst, is that the state can still fund projects that don't score well if they document WHY they're funding those projects.  I'm guessing Hogan issue is that he doesn't want to explain why he picked one project over another...because then he might anger some voters...


http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/hogan-md-lawmakers-clash-over-transportation-funding-law/article_2eed8c4a-f95d-11e6-9d34-5312e9e4ebd5.html
"That system, which divides the state into several regions so that rural counties aren't competing with more populous Northern Virginia, Richmond or Hampton Roads, "has some merit, but we can't salvage" the Maryland system, he said".

Transportation regions are also a key difference in Virginia's and Maryland's scoring systems. Not sure why Maryland can't just include this in their scoring system as well

Virginia has over 100 counties and cities, and a significantly larger land area than Maryland, which has 23 counties and exactly one independent city.

Quote from: Jmiles32 on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Potential transportation regions Maryland could have:
1. West Region
Garrett and Allegany Counties
2. North Region
Washington, Fredrick, and Carroll Counties
3. East region
Eastern shore including Cecil County
4. South Region
Anne Arundal, Charles, St. Marys, Calvert Counties (Includes Annapolis)
5. Baltimore Region
Baltimore City, Baltimore, Harford and Howard Counties
6. Washington Region
Montgomery and Prince George's Counties

If Hogan was to be against a compromise similar to this, then yes I would agree that he is purposely turning Maryland road building into unnecessary politics

I would follow the boundaries of the state's metropolitan planning organizations much more if you want to go that way.

1. West - Allegany, Garrett and Washington County
2. Baltimore - Anne Arundel, Baltimore County, Baltimore City, Carroll, Harford and Howard.
3. Washington suburbs - Charles, Frederick, Montgomery and Prince George's
4. Southern Maryland - Calvert and St. Mary's
5. Wilmington, Delaware suburbs - Cecil
6. Upper and middle Shore - Caroline, Dorchester, Kent, Queen Anne's and Talbot
7. Lower Shore - Somerset, Wicomico and Worcester

I think persons quoted in the article are correct - the current HB 1013 scoring system is for the purpose of favoring public transit.  Even in Montgomery County, which has been obsessing about increasing transit ridership (and does pretty well for a large and sprawling suburban county), transit is (and will likely always be) a minority mode for getting to work, and for all other trip purposes.

To compare the HB 1013 scoring system to the one used in Virginia is not exactly honest.  The one in the Commonwealth  is much more about congestion relief than HB 1013.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 03, 2017, 07:57:54 AM
^ While congestion mitigation (i.e. "relief") was one driving factor (pun intended) behind Virginia's SmartScale (itself originally labeled HB2 as I recall), it is by far not the only factor.  There are also two important things to note here:

* Congestion mitigation is evenly split between PERSON (not vehicle) throughput and person hours of delay.

* The percentage that congestion mitigation factors into the overall SmartScale score is dependent on location.  For Hampton Roads, Northern Virginia, and the Fredericksburg area (but not all of the Hampton Roads or Fredericksburg VDOT districts), it's 45%.  For Richmond, most of the remaining larger urban areas (like Lynchburg, Roanoke, and all of VDOT's Culpeper District, but not including Bristol, Danville, or Martinsville), it's 15%.  Everywhere else, congestion mitigation is only 10% of the overall score.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2017, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: froggie on March 03, 2017, 07:57:54 AM
^ While congestion mitigation (i.e. "relief") was one driving factor (pun intended) behind Virginia's SmartScale (itself originally labeled HB2 as I recall), it is by far not the only factor.  There are also two important things to note here:

* Congestion mitigation is evenly split between PERSON (not vehicle) throughput and person hours of delay.

I have no problem with that.  I do know that building more train lines does not lead to much (if any) reduction in either, in spite of assertions to the contrary.  Something that 1,000 Friends of Maryland and its allies do not seem to grasp.  Pricing highway lanes properly and providing a discount (or free passage) for buses of all kinds and HOV-3 traffic (note: not HOV-2) tends to do both.

I was (personally) in favor of the Baltimore Red Line (the cancellation of which appears to have led directly to HB1013 as a form of blowback against Gov. Larry Hogan and his Secretary of Transportation, Pete Rahn) for other reasons (not congestion relief, since much of the proposed corridor was not severely  congested) - but I liked the improved transit access to a pair of large employment centers at the Social Security Administration in Woodlawn and at Johns Hopkins Bayview Hospital complex in East Baltimore.

Quote from: froggie on March 03, 2017, 07:57:54 AM
* The percentage that congestion mitigation factors into the overall SmartScale score is dependent on location.  For Hampton Roads, Northern Virginia, and the Fredericksburg area (but not all of the Hampton Roads or Fredericksburg VDOT districts), it's 45%.  For Richmond, most of the remaining larger urban areas (like Lynchburg, Roanoke, and all of VDOT's Culpeper District, but not including Bristol, Danville, or Martinsville), it's 15%.  Everywhere else, congestion mitigation is only 10% of the overall score.

Funny how that is.  Those are the parts of the Commonwealth that suffer (to varying degrees) from severe transportation system  congestion.  I had the misfortune of being on VA-3 west of I-95, and that road is rather badly congested much of the way to its junction with VA-20 at Wilderness.

I doubt that Martinsville has much in the way  of congestion except on NASCAR race days.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on March 07, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
I was on I-68 yesterday and noticed that SHA is in the process of replacing some of the full-width overhead side gantries near Cumberland. There isn't anything obviously wrong with the existing gantries (no visible rust or damage) but I did see the new gantries have beefier supports. Is this a normal thing for SHA to do or might this be a prelude to additional VMS?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on March 07, 2017, 12:49:01 PM
I recall NYSDOT Region 4 doing something similar about 10 years ago.  It was just ordinary sign replacement, probably for reflectivity and to meet modern wind loading standards.  Now the original supports look small to me, even though the newer supports originally looked enormous.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on March 07, 2017, 10:47:21 PM
I was on I-81 a week ago, and I've noticed construction SB between exits 6 and 7. Obviously it's the progress to six laning I-81, and it's laid dormant because of winter. Hopefully progress picks up soon.

Rant: Why does Maryland take so long to complete construction projects? Seriously, they're widening only 12 miles of road, with enough space to build two extra lanes each way, but at the rate this is going, my children will have children! (END RANT)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2017, 06:06:16 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on March 07, 2017, 10:47:21 PM
I was on I-81 a week ago, and I've noticed construction SB between exits 6 and 7. Obviously it's the progress to six laning I-81, and it's laid dormant because of winter. Hopefully progress picks up soon.

Rant: Why does Maryland take so long to complete construction projects? Seriously, they're widening only 12 miles of road, with enough space to build two extra lanes each way, but at the rate this is going, my children will have children! (END RANT)

Maryland does things faster than its neighbors to the north.

MD-200 (18 miles of toll road) was built and open to traffic in far less time than it is taking the  Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission and PennDOT to at least partially complete a junction between I-95 (Delaware Expressway) and I-276 (E-W Mainline of the Pennsylvania Turnpike) in Bristol.

And the New Jersey Turnpike Authority built and opened to traffic a wider Turnpike (from 6 total lanes in 2 roadways to 12 total lanes in 4 roadways) from Exit 6 to 9 in far less time than the Bristol project is taking.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 14, 2017, 07:37:30 PM
Baltimore Sun: Maryland Senate committee crafts compromise on transportation scoring law (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-scoring-delay-20170313-story.html)

QuoteA Maryland Senate committee has advanced a compromise measure that would delay implementation of a transportation project scoring law that Gov. Larry Hogan consistently pans as the "Road Kill Bill."

QuoteThe law, passed over Hogan's veto last year, requires officials to study local transportation projects, rank them and offer an explanation if any project receives state funding over one that is ranked higher.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on March 14, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
How long does the SHA normally take to issue the HLR? It's 2017 now and the 2015 HLR is the latest version available for download from the SHA website?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on March 15, 2017, 10:05:38 AM
They usually come out around August. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 22, 2017, 09:23:59 AM
Maryland Reporter: Relief for toll road penalties put on hold, Senate chairman says (http://marylandreporter.com/2017/03/21/relief-for-toll-road-penalties-put-on-hold-senate-chairman-says/)

QuoteA Senate bill to address "predatory"  toll penalties, technical problems with transponders and poor customer service at E-ZPass will die in the Senate Finance Committee this session, its chairman said Tuesday, along with a watered down House version that delegates supported unanimously on Monday.

QuoteInstead, Senate Finance Committee Chair Thomas "Mac"  Middleton said he is holding off legislation for a year to give the Maryland Transportation Authority time to improve customer service and pursue new contracts with vendors to operate Maryland's toll system.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 22, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Washington  Post: Maryland governor lists transportation priorities, meets top Trump administration officials (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/maryland-governor-lists-transportation-priorities-meets-top-trump-administration-officials/2017/03/22/f86e20f6-0f2a-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 23, 2017, 04:40:01 PM
So Maryland has supplied its transportation wish-list. Now if they can just come up with enough funding to construct that wish-list.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on March 24, 2017, 12:02:29 AM
The only real reason I like Governor Hogan's consideration of transportation projects as a top priority is due to my status as a roadgeek.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 24, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Is there still an injunction against the Blue Line.  If so why place it on a wish list.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 24, 2017, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on March 24, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Is there still an injunction against the Blue Line.  If so why place it on a wish list.

Purple Line perhaps?  Yes, at least for now, it is still in place.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 26, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Washington Post: Maryland considers cracking down on drivers who linger in the left lane (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/maryland-considers-cracking-down-on-drivers-who-linger-in-the-left-lane/2017/03/25/59a4f232-0f0d-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 18, 2017, 09:44:36 AM
WTOP Radio: Md. plans to ease I-270 congestion aren't bold enough (http://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2017/04/berliner-md-plans-to-ease-i-270-congestion-arent-bold-enough/)

QuoteTraffic lights on ramps, variable speed limits and new technology to replace truck scales are some of the ideas floated in a proposal to ease congestion and save drivers time on Interstate 270.

QuoteThe Maryland Department of Transportation sent the I-270 plans to a regional planning board last week. But Montgomery County Council's president criticized the plan for not being bold enough.

Quote"It doesn't strike me as particularly innovative,"  Council President Roger Berliner said during a briefing with reporters on Monday.

QuoteThe documents submitted to the Metropolitan Washington Council of Government's Transportation Planning Board show that the state Department of Transportation is proposing changes to the 35-mile corridor that include the following:


  • Extending acceleration and deceleration lanes at some exits along I-270;
  • Adding travel lanes between Montrose Road and Democracy Boulevard;
  • Adding weigh stations that don't require trucks to pull off the roadway;
  • Use of active traffic management to smooth speeds and driver expectations;
  • Installing traffic lights at some on-ramps in order to smooth the flow of traffic onto the heavily-traveled commuter corridor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on April 18, 2017, 11:39:19 AM
This article gives a table of proposals and what was submitted:
http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/State-Puts-Forth-Plan-To-Add-Lanes-on-I-270-To-Reduce-Traffic-Congestion/

I just used the Shady Grove Road Loop ramp they want to close.  I assume the northbound through lanes will shift to the right where the current exit lane is to make room for the left turn lanes.

The southbound exit to I-370 with the new optional exit lane I assume will likely use arrow per lane signage. It's a simple change that I think will help.  So I like it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 18, 2017, 04:24:22 PM
Would it be possible to add toll lanes to the 270 corridor?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 24, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
For those of you in the DC/Baltimore area, MPT (Maryland's PBS affiliate) is airing a special tonight about the history of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. As I type this at 10:00 Tuesday it's on now and I only just discovered it after it had already started, so I'm not watching it. It's re-airing at 2:00 AM tomorrow (April 25) and I set my DVR for that showing. Knowing how PBS repeats stuff, I'm sure it will be on again, but I thought I'd pass it on because I didn't look for other showings. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on April 25, 2017, 10:55:37 PM
With regard to I-270, it is too bad that there seems to be no project to fix the problem with the start of the HOV lane.  Just before you reach I-370, the left lane becomes HOV only during morning rush and non-HOV must merge out.  It would be better if a new lane for HOVs forms to the left as opposed to the current setup.  This should be possible because at the moment that the HOV lane starts an extra lane forms to the right for the 370 exit and then soon afterward another right lane forms for the exit to the local I-270 lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on May 05, 2017, 04:55:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2016, 09:33:48 PM
I know that the JFK Highway part of I-95 was the probably the last section of Interstate in Maryland to have mercury vapor conventional luminaires, but they were all replaced by sodium vapor when the service plazas were rebuilt.

The old high mast lights that were at exits 93, 89, and 74 were lit a blueish white color until they were taken down and replaced with new HPS high mast lights at exit 93 and LED low level lights at exits 89 and 74.  Therefore, they had to be mercury vapor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 21, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
SHA has advertised a contract on EMaryland Marketplace (https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/external/publicBids.sdo) to modify U.S. 50/U.S. 301/MD-2 crossing the Severn River Bridge (officially known as the Pearl Harbor Memorial Bridge) in Anne Arundel County to add one extra lane in the eastbound (only) direction.  During construction, the bridge will have narrowed (11') lanes. 

The contract number is AA2215170 and the bid number is MDJ0231032376.

Link to the documents is here (https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/external/bidDetail.sdo?bidId=MDJ0231032376&parentUrl=activeBids) (may not work after bids are opened on 1 June 2017).

From the advertisement:

QuoteDescription: Median barrier replacement and lane reconfiguration of US 50 over Severn River from MD 70 (Rowe Blvd) to MD 2 / MD 450 (Governor Ritchie Hwy). Project will include partial replacement of bridge deck, median barrier replacement and reconfiguration, repairs to the bridge superstructure, approach roadway work, one noise wall, drainage and stormwater management facilities, signing, pavement striping, and landscaping. All traffic lanes will be maintained during construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2017, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 25, 2017, 10:55:37 PM
With regard to I-270, it is too bad that there seems to be no project to fix the problem with the start of the HOV lane.  Just before you reach I-370, the left lane becomes HOV only during morning rush and non-HOV must merge out.  It would be better if a new lane for HOVs forms to the left as opposed to the current setup.  This should be possible because at the moment that the HOV lane starts an extra lane forms to the right for the 370 exit and then soon afterward another right lane forms for the exit to the local I-270 lanes.

IMO this symptomatic of a larger problem - the inadequacy of the Montgomery County  highway  network.  I (personally) would love to see managed lanes along the entire length of I-270.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 23, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
IMO the beltway from the Legion bridge to I-270 should be a higher priority.  This stretch of highway gets congested outside of rush hour and in both directions.  That shows how under capacity that stretch is currently.  You don't really see those problems on I-270 except maybe the four lane section.  In the morning rush the largest contributor that I could see to morning I-270 south congestion is the merge from I-270 onto the outer loop of the beltway. That merge may improve when they change the striping so that the beltway drops a lane instead of the entering I-270 traffic.  The other leg of I-270 towards the inner loop is less problematic.

The afternoon rush on I-270 can be improved just by continuing a fifth lane to Middlebrook Road which they say they will do.  Second just expanding the four lane section to six lanes is good enough IMO.  Then I-270 can wait until after the beltway to do a more expansive improvement. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2017, 01:10:52 PM
Quote from: BrianP on May 23, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
IMO the beltway from the Legion bridge to I-270 should be a higher priority.  This stretch of highway gets congested outside of rush hour and in both directions.  That shows how under capacity that stretch is currently.  You don't really see those problems on I-270 except maybe the four lane section.  In the morning rush the largest contributor that I could see to morning I-270 south congestion is the merge from I-270 onto the outer loop of the beltway. That merge may improve when they change the striping so that the beltway drops a lane instead of the entering I-270 traffic.  The other leg of I-270 towards the inner loop is less problematic.

No disagreement there.  It would be great to extend the Transurban managed lanes in Virginia up to the Virginia end of the span, then (ideally) have MDTA take them from the bridge as far north as possible (I do not think the Maryland General Assembly is interested in making a deal with Transurban for private operation of public highways in Maryland).

Quote from: BrianP on May 23, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
The afternoon rush on I-270 can be improved just by continuing a fifth lane to Middlebrook Road which they say they will do.  Second just expanding the four lane section to six lanes is good enough IMO.  Then I-270 can wait until after the beltway to do a more expansive improvement.

The one place on I-270 that has gotten much, much worse since the completion of MD-200 are the LOCAL (or C-D) lanes from Shady Grove Road to the exit ramp for I-370/Sam Eig Highway. Not clear to me if the plans call for any changes there or not.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
Herald-Mail (from March, but will be relevant for a while): Work on I-70 bridges over I-81 to begin in early April (http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/work-on-i--bridges-over-i--to-begin/article_d591b35a-14ab-11e7-8703-7beab869a83f.html)

QuoteA $9.2 million bridge project set to get under way in early April is expected to cause traffic delays near the interchange of interstates 70 and 81 in Washington County.

QuoteThe project, which will take about two years to complete over multiple phases, will replace the bridge decks, or driving surface, of all four spans along I-70 that pass over I-81, according to a Maryland State Highway Administration news release.

Quote"There will be some traffic delays as the work zone is modified for each phase of the bridge rehabilitation project," SHA District Engineer Anthony K. Crawford said in the release. "We appreciate motorists' patience as SHA works to improve the drive for thousands of motorists who rely on this bridge every day."

QuoteStarting with the westbound bridge carrying the I-70 feeder lanes, work is expected to be completed by summer 2019, weather permitting.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on May 23, 2017, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 24, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
For those of you in the DC/Baltimore area, MPT (Maryland's PBS affiliate) is airing a special tonight about the history of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. As I type this at 10:00 Tuesday it's on now and I only just discovered it after it had already started, so I'm not watching it. It's re-airing at 2:00 AM tomorrow (April 25) and I set my DVR for that showing. Knowing how PBS repeats stuff, I'm sure it will be on again, but I thought I'd pass it on because I didn't look for other showings.

Hope you've had a chance to watch the Chesapeake Bay Bridge documentary, but note that it's not terribly new. The version on my DVR is dated April 2011 (which means it might be time for a new cable box), and includes a 3D interlude (just stumbled across my MPT branded blue/red glasses, but the cartoon images appearing overhead as an convertible crosses the bridge are pretty lame). Some nice construction shots, the obligatory maintenance guy walking one of the cables, some film of various ferries, and a few still photos of backed up traffic on Sunday afternoons.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 23, 2017, 05:48:05 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2017, 01:10:52 PM
The one place on I-270 that has gotten much, much worse since the completion of MD-200 are the LOCAL (or C-D) lanes from Shady Grove Road to the exit ramp for I-370/Sam Eig Highway. Not clear to me if the plans call for any changes there or not.
Two things will be done there.  First the loop ramp from NB Shady Grove Road will be removed and replaced with a left turn to the SB on ramp.  Second the ramp from the local lanes to the express lanes is going to be removed to cut down on weaving there.  I would assume then that of the three local lanes that are there that the right most one will become an exit only lane to I-370 instead of the auxiliary lane that's used now. And the middle lane will be an option lane.  There will still be weaving of course. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 23, 2017, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
Herald-Mail (from March, but will be relevant for a while): Work on I-70 bridges over I-81 to begin in early April (http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/work-on-i--bridges-over-i--to-begin/article_d591b35a-14ab-11e7-8703-7beab869a83f.html)
This sounds like they will only replace the bridge decks. They really should expand the bridge decks since they are substandard due to lack of any shoulders.  These four bridges should be made into one continuous deck.  This way they can at least add shoulders to the mainline lanes.  It's not as crucial that the CD lanes have shoulders. 

There's no helpful details on the project page:
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=WA2165121

Just west of there they rehabbed the bridges on I-70 and expanded them for more lanes in the future.  Why not here?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on May 23, 2017, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2017, 03:48:27 PM
Those are the parts of the Commonwealth that suffer (to varying degrees) from severe transportation system  congestion.  I had the misfortune of being on VA-3 west of I-95, and that road is rather badly congested much of the way to its junction with VA-20 at Wilderness.

Thanks to the cancellation of the Outer Connector Northwest Quadrant project, VA-3 to I-95.  In the mid-2000s there was a plan in place with a nearly completed NEPA process, that would have avoided sensitive lands as much as possible and it would have cost about $110 million.  The new I-95 interchange at Centerport Parkway was designed to accommodate the OC.

VA-3 west of I-95 is the one standout severe traffic problem in VA medium sized and small city areas, as a result of this omission.

The planned new C-D roadways on I-95 between VA-3 and US-17 at Falmouth, are a "poor man's OC NWQ", and will help a lot on I-95, but they won't provide the bypass to VA-3 west of the urbanized area.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 24, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: BrianP on May 23, 2017, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
Herald-Mail (from March, but will be relevant for a while): Work on I-70 bridges over I-81 to begin in early April (http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/work-on-i--bridges-over-i--to-begin/article_d591b35a-14ab-11e7-8703-7beab869a83f.html)
This sounds like they will only replace the bridge decks. They really should expand the bridge decks since they are substandard due to lack of any shoulders.  These four bridges should be made into one continuous deck.  This way they can at least add shoulders to the mainline lanes.  It's not as crucial that the CD lanes have shoulders. 

There's no helpful details on the project page:
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=WA2165121

Just west of there they rehabbed the bridges on I-70 and expanded them for more lanes in the future.  Why not here?

Good question.  Perhaps there is so much traffic entering and exiting to/from I-81 that there is no need for added capacity on the mainline of I-70?  Though it has been SHA policy to add lanes (when possible) as part of bridge deck replacement or total replacement projects.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 24, 2017, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 23, 2017, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2017, 03:48:27 PM
Those are the parts of the Commonwealth that suffer (to varying degrees) from severe transportation system  congestion.  I had the misfortune of being on VA-3 west of I-95, and that road is rather badly congested much of the way to its junction with VA-20 at Wilderness.

Thanks to the cancellation of the Outer Connector Northwest Quadrant project, VA-3 to I-95.  In the mid-2000s there was a plan in place with a nearly completed NEPA process, that would have avoided sensitive lands as much as possible and it would have cost about $110 million.  The new I-95 interchange at Centerport Parkway was designed to accommodate the OC.

VA-3 west of I-95 is the one standout severe traffic problem in VA medium sized and small city areas, as a result of this omission.

The planned new C-D roadways on I-95 between VA-3 and US-17 at Falmouth, are a "poor man's OC NWQ", and will help a lot on I-95, but they won't provide the bypass to VA-3 west of the urbanized area.

No dispute on any of that.  And I vigorously reject the land use impact claims of persons and groups that were opposed to the project. 

"Don't want a highway to impact land use?  Don't provide access to the highway!"
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on May 24, 2017, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 24, 2017, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 23, 2017, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2017, 03:48:27 PM
Those are the parts of the Commonwealth that suffer (to varying degrees) from severe transportation system  congestion.  I had the misfortune of being on VA-3 west of I-95, and that road is rather badly congested much of the way to its junction with VA-20 at Wilderness.
Thanks to the cancellation of the Outer Connector Northwest Quadrant project, VA-3 to I-95.  In the mid-2000s there was a plan in place with a nearly completed NEPA process, that would have avoided sensitive lands as much as possible and it would have cost about $110 million.  The new I-95 interchange at Centerport Parkway was designed to accommodate the OC.

VA-3 west of I-95 is the one standout severe traffic problem in VA medium sized and small city areas, as a result of this omission.

The planned new C-D roadways on I-95 between VA-3 and US-17 at Falmouth, are a "poor man's OC NWQ", and will help a lot on I-95, but they won't provide the bypass to VA-3 west of the urbanized area.
No dispute on any of that.  And I vigorously reject the land use impact claims of persons and groups that were opposed to the project. 

"Don't want a highway to impact land use?  Don't provide access to the highway!"

The design did reduce impacts to land use by providing only one interchange between VA-3 and I-95, that at US-17.  That also helped to reduce the estimated construction costs.

The I-95 collector-distributor roadways between south of VA-3 and north of US-17, actually was one of the Outer Connector alternates studied.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on May 26, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
Harrison Street where it passes through a lumber yard in Berlin has reopened.

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2017/05/24/berlins-harrison-avenue-open-again-due-to-1903-easement/

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on May 27, 2017, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 24, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: BrianP on May 23, 2017, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
Herald-Mail (from March, but will be relevant for a while): Work on I-70 bridges over I-81 to begin in early April (http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/work-on-i--bridges-over-i--to-begin/article_d591b35a-14ab-11e7-8703-7beab869a83f.html)
This sounds like they will only replace the bridge decks. They really should expand the bridge decks since they are substandard due to lack of any shoulders.  These four bridges should be made into one continuous deck.  This way they can at least add shoulders to the mainline lanes.  It's not as crucial that the CD lanes have shoulders. 

There's no helpful details on the project page:
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=WA2165121

Just west of there they rehabbed the bridges on I-70 and expanded them for more lanes in the future.  Why not here?

Good question.  Perhaps there is so much traffic entering and exiting to/from I-81 that there is no need for added capacity on the mainline of I-70?  Though it has been SHA policy to add lanes (when possible) as part of bridge deck replacement or total replacement projects.

They've added a third lane on the I-70 bridges they've rebuilt to the west of I-81, so you'd think they'd at least want to keep three continuous lanes if they ever widen. My guess is they're trying to do this on the cheap.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 29, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on May 23, 2017, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 24, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
For those of you in the DC/Baltimore area, MPT (Maryland's PBS affiliate) is airing a special tonight about the history of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. As I type this at 10:00 Tuesday it's on now and I only just discovered it after it had already started, so I'm not watching it. It's re-airing at 2:00 AM tomorrow (April 25) and I set my DVR for that showing. Knowing how PBS repeats stuff, I'm sure it will be on again, but I thought I'd pass it on because I didn't look for other showings.

Hope you've had a chance to watch the Chesapeake Bay Bridge documentary, but note that it's not terribly new. The version on my DVR is dated April 2011 (which means it might be time for a new cable box), and includes a 3D interlude (just stumbled across my MPT branded blue/red glasses, but the cartoon images appearing overhead as an convertible crosses the bridge are pretty lame). Some nice construction shots, the obligatory maintenance guy walking one of the cables, some film of various ferries, and a few still photos of backed up traffic on Sunday afternoons.

It's on my DVR but I have not had a chance to watch it yet. 3D won't do much for me.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2017, 08:26:50 PM
WTOP Radio: I-270 tolls, Metro among top Montgomery Co. transport priorities; Metro GM responds on Red Line issues (http://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/06/270-tolls-metro-among-top-montgomery-co-transport-priorities-metro-gm-responds-red-line-issues/)

[Emphasis added below]

QuoteBefore the vote, members highlighted the need to improve commutes along I-270 by extending the 495 Express Lanes across the Legion Bridge and up 270. They also focused on major improvements for Metro, the hope that the Purple Line state-run light rail line will move forward, other road widening projects, and bus rapid transit.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 28, 2017, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on May 23, 2017, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 24, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
For those of you in the DC/Baltimore area, MPT (Maryland's PBS affiliate) is airing a special tonight about the history of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. As I type this at 10:00 Tuesday it's on now and I only just discovered it after it had already started, so I'm not watching it. It's re-airing at 2:00 AM tomorrow (April 25) and I set my DVR for that showing. Knowing how PBS repeats stuff, I'm sure it will be on again, but I thought I'd pass it on because I didn't look for other showings.
Hope you've had a chance to watch the Chesapeake Bay Bridge documentary, but note that it's not terribly new. The version on my DVR is dated April 2011 (which means it might be time for a new cable box), and includes a 3D interlude (just stumbled across my MPT branded blue/red glasses, but the cartoon images appearing overhead as an convertible crosses the bridge are pretty lame). Some nice construction shots, the obligatory maintenance guy walking one of the cables, some film of various ferries, and a few still photos of backed up traffic on Sunday afternoons.

The video is on their website --

http://video.mpt.tv/video/2365236730/

The Chesapeake Bay Bridge: Spanning the Bay
Aired: 04/20/2014
57:18

In 1952 the Chesapeake Bay Bridge changed everything for Maryland, with far-reaching effects on everything from commerce to commuting. It fueled the growing tourism industry, transforming tiny beachside resorts like Ocean City into bustling summertime destinations. Discover the vision, struggles, and engineering genius that led to the creation of this state treasure!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 07, 2017, 08:02:21 PM
Does anyone have any news on the next segment of any Maryland freeway that will have its speed limit raised to 70mph? Nothing seems to have been announced or discussed since the change on I-70 in April 2016.

I'm also wondering if US 340 in Frederick County is being studied for a speed limit increase to 70mph.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 08, 2017, 12:24:09 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 07, 2017, 08:02:21 PM
Does anyone have any news on the next segment of any Maryland freeway that will have its speed limit raised to 70mph? Nothing seems to have been announced or discussed since the change on I-70 in April 2016.

I'm also wondering if US 340 in Frederick County is being studied for a speed limit increase to 70mph.

I'd love to see I-95 north of Baltimore go to 70 - everyone is going at least that speed.  However, I think traffic counts might preclude it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on July 08, 2017, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 08, 2017, 12:24:09 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 07, 2017, 08:02:21 PM
Does anyone have any news on the next segment of any Maryland freeway that will have its speed limit raised to 70mph? Nothing seems to have been announced or discussed since the change on I-70 in April 2016.

I'm also wondering if US 340 in Frederick County is being studied for a speed limit increase to 70mph.

I'd love to see I-95 north of Baltimore go to 70 - everyone is going at least that speed.  However, I think traffic counts might preclude it.
Speed limits are based on free flow traffic conditions. Interchange density is a factor but volume is not.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 09, 2017, 10:58:31 PM
I-95 in Cecil County would be a good candidate for a bump to 70mph. Very few exits there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ekt8750 on July 11, 2017, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 09, 2017, 10:58:31 PM
I-95 in Cecil County would be a good candidate for a bump to 70mph. Very few exits there.

I would do 70 on 95 all the way to the 695 interchange in Towson. Maybe drop it to 65 over the Millard Tydings Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 12, 2017, 04:55:58 PM
http://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/07/new-bridge-over-i-270-aims-at-easing-gaithersburg-congestion/
Anyone know what the actual design of this interchange will be?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on July 12, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/MO351_21/HTDOCS/Maps/Final_Design/I270_WatkinsMill_091114.pdf

Basically it's a diamond.  They did a good job of eliminating the weaving in the southbound direction.  I'll really appreciate it since I use that exit in the morning when I opt to use I-270.  The northbound weave likely will really suck.  It's unclear how the exit will be setup in the northbound direction.  They should make the traffic exiting at the new exit have to be in the local lanes so the weaving of entering and exiting cars happens in the local lanes instead of it happening in the main lanes.  It sucks that it doesn't show how the lanes will be setup for the northbound lanes. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 12, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: BrianP on July 12, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/MO351_21/HTDOCS/Maps/Final_Design/I270_WatkinsMill_091114.pdf

Basically it's a diamond.  They did a good job of eliminating the weaving in the southbound direction.  I'll really appreciate it since I use that exit in the morning when I opt to use I-270.  The northbound weave likely will really suck.  It's unclear how the exit will be setup in the northbound direction.  They should make the traffic exiting at the new exit have to be in the local lanes so the weaving of entering and exiting cars happens in the local lanes instead of it happening in the main lanes.  It sucks that it doesn't show how the lanes will be setup for the northbound lanes. 
Definitely think the bridge over I-270 is necessary, but a full interchange half a mile from an already existing one? Would it be too costly/not feasible to just upgrade the MD-124 interchange? IMHO that $98 million would have better spent towards either extending the local lanes up to Germantown or widening the four lane section of I-270 between Clarksburg and Fredrick.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on July 12, 2017, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on July 12, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
Definitely think the bridge over I-270 is necessary, but a full interchange half a mile from an already existing one? Would it be too costly/not feasible to just upgrade the MD-124 interchange? IMHO that $98 million would have better spent towards either extending the local lanes up to Germantown or widening the four lane section of I-270 between Clarksburg and Fredrick.
I think it's not so much the traffic trying to use the MD-124 interchange that could stand to be moved elsewhere, but the amount of traffic that's then fed into the adjacent MD-355/MD-124 intersection (especially the left turn onto NB MD-355).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on July 18, 2017, 11:27:42 PM
Since there's been some discussion relating to I-95 north of Baltimore, I thought I'd share this.  Up until a year ago, there was lighting along I-95 approaching the Tydings Bridge in both directions.  (I wonder why the lights were only on the northbound side on both sides of the bridge though?)  But then, last summer they replaced the lighting at the exits on both sides of the bridge.  Driving in the northbound direction, at exit 89, the high mast lights were replaced with low level lighting that they only placed at where the ramps enter and exit.  Because of this, the stretch from exit 89 to the Tydings Bridge approach is now a lot darker at night and it's a bit concerning given how there's a big curve right before approaching the bridge.  The southbound direction isn't much better either.  At exit 93, they did put up new high mast lights, and they are a lot brighter than the old ones, but there's also a big curve right before approaching the bridge in the southbound direction, and unlike with the old lights, the new ones literally stop right before the curve, and therefore, the road all of the sudden becomes dark once you reach the curve.  (And just like with the old lights, the new lights from exit 93 to where they stop are also only of the northbound side.)  This concerns me in the fact that it will cause horrible accidents.  What are your thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on July 21, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: jcn on July 18, 2017, 11:27:42 PM
What are your thoughts on this?

Politics?

Maryland is one of the bluest of the blue states.  Gov. Hogan, a Republican, was elected on campaign promises of (among other things) reducing toll rates in the state.  He delivered on that promise, and the Tydings Bridge is no longer $8.00 to cross -- the toll was lowered to $6.00.

Now, I imagine the folks at SHA and MdTA are largely Democratic in their political viewpoints, by a sheer numbers game -- since the bulk of Maryland's population is politically liberal, so too must be the employees at the highway departments.

This might have been a political move.  "Gee, the new lighting is inadequate.  We'll need to raise tolls to raise the money to put in better lighting.  Back up to $8.00!"

On the other hand, I could just be a cynic.

Living up in "ker'l koun'y" as I do I don't have much reason to ever cross that bridge -- when visiting relatives in Connecticut, I generally hop on US-15 and then take I-78 to I-287 to the NY Thruway to 287 to 684 to 84... so maybe I can't comment.  But I will anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on July 21, 2017, 07:03:23 PM
Quote from: tckma on July 21, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
This might have been a political move.  "Gee, the new lighting is inadequate.  We'll need to raise tolls to raise the money to put in better lighting.  Back up to $8.00!"

Overall, I liked how they replaced the lights on both ends of the Tydings Bridge.  The old lights were erected in like the 70's or 80's and used mercury vapor lighting, and were very poorly lit.

At Exit 89, replacing the high masts with low level lighting makes sense given that it's not a busy interchange at all.

At Exit 93, I think they put up new high mast lights because of the toll plaza and the weigh stations being there.  The new high mast lights are 1000W sodium vapors, and are therefore a lot brighter than the old lights.  And the new high mast lights have up to 10 luminaries as well.

What I shared above is just a small criticism regarding the project.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 21, 2017, 09:48:16 PM
I've observed that a number of the old sodium light towers along I-70 and I-95 have disappeared over the past 10 years and have been replaced with LED street lamps with exceptionally long arms. Curiously enough, I've also observed that none of the major interchanges on I-83 ever had high mast lighting that I recall seeing, and they are also receiving new LED street lamps with the same long arms.

I have not yet seen an installation that completely replaced the high mast lighting with street lamps.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on July 22, 2017, 01:32:22 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 21, 2017, 09:48:16 PM
I've observed that a number of the old sodium light towers along I-70 and I-95 have disappeared over the past 10 years and have been replaced with LED street lamps with exceptionally long arms. Curiously enough, I've also observed that none of the major interchanges on I-83 ever had high mast lighting that I recall seeing, and they are also receiving new LED street lamps with the same long arms.

I have not yet seen an installation that completely replaced the high mast lighting with street lamps.

That is true.  Every exit on I-95 between the beltways used to have high mast lights, and those lights were mercury vapor as well.

At Exit 89, the new low level lighting is LED as well.  The new high mast lights at Exit 93 are sodium though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on July 23, 2017, 07:48:49 PM
Drove down to Baltimore recently and noticed two button copy signs are now gone.

This one:
(replaced by a standard "West" I-70 shield and an arrow on a pole)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8261/29300018925_fdacc7bdec_c.jpg)

and the "I-83 Jones Falls Expressway 500 Feet" sign east on Druid Park Lake Drive is now gone as well.


I did notice on I-70 between I-695 and the Park & Ride there are signs saying "area under video surveillance" on the expressway itself near these signs.
Has there been crime in this area?

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4317/35644807940_7f6298c33f_c.jpg)

I removed the Flickr links because the first one seemed to be extended through the I-83 text.  -Mark
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 24, 2017, 07:11:26 AM
The westbound carriage way of I-70 between the Ingleside Avenue on-ramp and I-695 used to be a hot spot for burnouts and street racing. Even today there are still extensive tire marks on the concrete surface where the racers would do the burnouts. I suspect that this is why the area is being monitored.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 24, 2017, 06:14:25 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 24, 2017, 07:11:26 AM
The westbound carriage way of I-70 between the Ingleside Avenue on-ramp and I-695 used to be a hot spot for burnouts and street racing. Even today there are still extensive tire marks on the concrete surface where the racers would do the burnouts. I suspect that this is why the area is being monitored.
The more you know!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on July 24, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on July 23, 2017, 07:48:49 PM
Drove down to Baltimore recently and noticed two button copy signs are now gone.

This one:
(replaced by a standard "West" I-70 shield and an arrow on a pole)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8261/29300018925_fdacc7bdec_c.jpg)

Well it has finally met its fate huh? Even though I like button copies this one needed to go. I'm shocked that shield was able to hang on that long (looks even worse in person, saw it in 2015) given the snowstorms in that area over the years. R.I.P. indeed.

How many button copies are left in Bmore?

Also, concerning the replacement of the high mast lighting at the exits along I-95, I kinda miss them too, especially the ones that lit up in that blueish white color.. they kinda set Maryland apart from most states. It's actually a wonder to me why they didn't install LEDs in the new high mast ones at the Tydings toll booth
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on July 25, 2017, 08:35:43 AM
Quote from: plain on July 24, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
Also, concerning the replacement of the high mast lighting at the exits along I-95, I kinda miss them too, especially the ones that lit up in that blueish white color.. they kinda set Maryland apart from most states. It's actually a wonder to me why they didn't install LEDs in the new high mast ones at the Tydings toll booth

Luckily, I do know the answer to that.  The new high mast lights are sodium because they wanted the lighting to be the same as the existing lighting that was kept like the low-level lighting at the weigh stations, and those lights used sodium vapor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 05, 2017, 09:13:31 PM
Go on General Highway Talk if you want to see a thread I started about a Bel Air highway plan in Harford County from 1959. Or the mods might move it to this thread or board.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on August 16, 2017, 09:10:34 PM
The new overpass that brings MD 304 over U.S. 301 opened yesterday (08.15.2017). 

http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/qa/community/news/article_c821bd0c-11ed-5a1a-9226-7fc93e1aace3.html

QuoteCENTREVILLE – Local students, parents and officials saw their efforts at improved safety come to fruition with the opening Tuesday of a new overpass at the U.S. Route 301 and state Route 304 interchange.

The State Highway Administration began shifting Route 304 traffic onto the new bridge over U.S. 301 shortly before noon Tuesday, Aug. 15, eliminating the at-grade crossing that had been plagued by accidents, including a September 2011 crash that resulted in the death of Connor Rice, 15, of Queen Anne. Four others had died at the intersection between 2005 and 2011.

...

"Building, maintaining, and fixing Maryland's roads and bridges is crucial for highway safety across the state,"  Gov. Larry Hogan said. "This long-awaited project will directly benefit thousands of Marylanders and visitors in Queen Anne's County and the entire Eastern Shore."

According to SHA officials, the remainder of the construction is proceeding ahead of schedule as three of the four new interchange ramps have been completed; work continues on the ramp from Route 304 to U.S. 301 north. The overpass features sidewalks and wide shoulders for bicycles. Roundabouts at each end of the overpass will improve traffic flow and reduce the risk of crashes. The project also features a J-turn intersection safety upgrade at U.S. 301 and state Route 305 just to the north and a 25-space park and ride lot off Route 304 adjacent to Tidewater Drive.

When, though, will the SHA repave 301 where it crosses the MDDE railroad track that leads into Tidewater Direct publishing?  :paranoid:

ixnay

P.S.  The new 301/304 interchange is signed in Clearview all around.   :-/

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 17, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
^ Aerial imagery suggests they put an RCI/J-turn in at 301/304 between 2011 and 2013.  Was that not enough?

Not that I'm knocking an interchange.  Just a bit surprised that SHA would build an interchange when they had just made intersection improvements within the past 5 years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 17, 2017, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 17, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
^ Aerial imagery suggests they put an RCI/J-turn in at 301/304 between 2011 and 2013.  Was that not enough?

Not that I'm knocking an interchange.  Just a bit surprised that SHA would build an interchange when they had just made interchange improvements within the past 5 years.

I thought there wasn't an interchange there until this was built ... where did they make interchange improvements?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 18, 2017, 07:23:08 AM
^ I meant "intersection improvements" instead of interchange (now corrected in the previous post).  Blame my iPhone and my fat fingers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 18, 2017, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 18, 2017, 07:23:08 AM
^ I meant "intersection improvements" instead of interchange (now corrected in the previous post).  Blame my iPhone and my fat fingers.

Oh ok ... how major were the intersection improvements?  I hadn't been out there to see them.

Edit/update:  I see on Google Maps a superstreet configuration that looks fairly new, channelized left turns from US-301 and no median crossing for MD-304 traffic, and U-turn bays on US-301 to handle the left turns from MD-304, about 1/4 mile to the south and 1/2 mile to the north.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 18, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 18, 2017, 07:23:08 AM
^ I meant "intersection improvements" instead of interchange (now corrected in the previous post).  Blame my iPhone and my fat fingers.

Quite a few of the at-grade intersections on U.S. 301 on the upper Eastern Shore have been modified over the past 20 years to force traffic entering or crossing from the side road to make a right regardless of destination. If the desire was to turn left onto U.S. 301 or to continue across to the  other side, drivers had to make a "U" turn at a median break built for that purpose. Somewhat unusual in other parts of the state, though the interchange at MD-3 and Waugh Chapel Road at Gambrills, Anne Arundel County, was modified in a similar manner (the "straight across" movement retained for emergency vehicles only).  I have not seen it stated formally, but the long-term MDOT/SHA goal seems to be  eventually get rid of all at-grade intersections on U.S. 301 between Queenstown and the Delaware border.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 18, 2017, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 18, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
Quite a few of the at-grade intersections on U.S. 301 on the upper Eastern Shore have been modified over the past 20 years to force traffic entering or crossing from the side road to make a right regardless of destination. If the desire was to turn left onto U.S. 301 or to continue across to the  other side, drivers had to make a "U" turn at a median break built for that purpose. Somewhat unusual in other parts of the state, though the interchange at MD-3 and Waugh Chapel Road at Gambrills, Anne Arundel County, was modified in a similar manner (the "straight across" movement retained for emergency vehicles only). 

Known a superstreet, or a restricted crossing U-turn (RCUT), J-turn, or reduced conflict intersection -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstreet

Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 18, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
I have not seen it stated formally, but the long-term MDOT/SHA goal seems to be  eventually get rid of all at-grade intersections on U.S. 301 between Queenstown and the Delaware border.

The US-301 relocation in Delaware that is under construction will be built to freeway standards.

US-301 on the upper Eastern Shore between US-50 and Delaware, was built to expressway standards, one roadway in the late 1950s and the parallel roadway in the late 1960s.

I count 19 at-grade intersections via Google Maps.  That will be a lot of work to grade separate them.

I have always found it curious that there are 3 interchanges on the northern part of this segment, apparently built in the late-1960s project.  There is no unusual topography or development that would account for building these on an otherwise at-grade route.
MD-290 (south)
MD-291
MD-290 (north)

Anyone have insight about this?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 21, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
The US 301/MD 304 interchange was built in part due to a large number of vehicle crashes and other accidents at the site of the former intersection. Are there contemporary news articles discussing vehicle crashes and accidents on the northern portion of US 301 near the DE state line? If so, that may be why those 1960s-era interchanges were built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 28, 2017, 11:36:40 AM
The MD 291 interchange dates to 1999.
http://www.roads.maryland.gov/Location/1999_Kent.pdf

I've also wondered about the reason for the MD 290 interchanges.  One thing that's odd is that both bridges at the northern interchange have no shoulders.  But the southern interchange only the northbound bridge has no shoulders.  So the southbound bridge was built later. 

And coincidentally both of those interchanges are in the middle of having the bridges rehabbed:

southern project
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=QA2405117

northern project
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=KE2945114

So that will probably be a piece of history soon.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 28, 2017, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 28, 2017, 11:36:40 AM
The MD 291 interchange dates to 1999.
http://www.roads.maryland.gov/Location/1999_Kent.pdf

I realize it says it was a new interchange in 1999, but that may simply mean a full replacement, including installing the two roundabouts, and I see that there is a very recent vintage overpass bridge.  I'm pretty sure that was the junction that had an overpass bridge and ramps back in the early 1970s when I first drove the highway.  So they may have replaced the overpass bridge in 1999 as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 29, 2017, 11:30:50 AM
historicaerials.com shows no signs of an interchange there in the 1970's (topo only) and early 90's (topo and poor quality aerials).  Granted they are not fool proof.  Since they have a topo map that they list as 1971 which doesn't show the US 301 highway at all.  The map only covers from MD 291 north to MD 290.  So the date of that map seems wrong. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 29, 2017, 11:30:50 AM
historicaerials.com shows no signs of an interchange there in the 1970's (topo only) and early 90's (topo and poor quality aerials).  Granted they are not fool proof.  Since they have a topo map that they list as 1971 which doesn't show the US 301 highway at all.  The map only covers from MD 291 north to MD 290.  So the date of that map seems wrong. 

I need to get an old Maryland map when I get back to the house.  My review of Google Maps shows the current configuration and new bridge, but I see no signs of an older intersection there such as changes in grading and seeding, all the ground and seeding looks older.  That is why I suspected that an old bridge was closed and replaced at the same location.  This deserves some more research.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 29, 2017, 11:30:50 AM
historicaerials.com shows no signs of an interchange there in the 1970's (topo only) and early 90's (topo and poor quality aerials).  Granted they are not fool proof.  Since they have a topo map that they list as 1971 which doesn't show the US 301 highway at all.  The map only covers from MD 291 north to MD 290.  So the date of that map seems wrong. 



I need to get an old Maryland map when I get back to the house.  My review of Google Maps shows the current configuration and new bridge, but I see no signs of an older intersection there such as changes in grading and seeding, all the ground and seeding looks older.  That is why I suspected that an old bridge was closed and replaced at the same location.  This deserves some more research.

State Highway Reference Locator does not show a structure at all for US 301 at MD 291 prior to the 1999 issue.  http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/series.aspx?id=S1870

1992 Historic Aerial clearly shows an at-grade intersection there.  Comparison with more recent views show bridge was built essentially in the same location of how 291 crossed 301.

The northern 290 interchange used to be different - see the 1956 aerial which shows there was a 2-way road connecting 301 and 290 that has been removed entirely but was located in the northwest quadrant and used essentially the SB offramp location.  The topography here made grade separation a near-necessity as both 301 and 290 are both flat through their crossing.

The southern 290 interchange was originally configured just like the northern one (per 1959 topo) but converted into the current configuration by the 1976 topo.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 29, 2017, 11:30:50 AM
historicaerials.com shows no signs of an interchange there in the 1970's (topo only) and early 90's (topo and poor quality aerials).  Granted they are not fool proof.  Since they have a topo map that they list as 1971 which doesn't show the US 301 highway at all.  The map only covers from MD 291 north to MD 290.  So the date of that map seems wrong. 
I need to get an old Maryland map when I get back to the house.  My review of Google Maps shows the current configuration and new bridge, but I see no signs of an older intersection there such as changes in grading and seeding, all the ground and seeding looks older.  That is why I suspected that an old bridge was closed and replaced at the same location.  This deserves some more research.
State Highway Reference Locator does not show a structure at all for US 301 at MD 291 prior to the 1999 issue.  http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/series.aspx?id=S1870
1992 Historic Aerial clearly shows an at-grade intersection there.  Comparison with more recent views show bridge was built essentially in the same location of how 291 crossed 301.

That is odd ... I thought there was a third interchange up there when I first drove it in the 1970s.

I just now looked at a 1971 Maryland official highway map, and it only shows the two MD-290 interchanges.

Quote from: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 01:02:58 PM
The northern 290 interchange used to be different - see the 1956 aerial which shows there was a 2-way road connecting 301 and 290 that has been removed entirely but was located in the northwest quadrant and used essentially the SB offramp location.  The topography here made grade separation a near-necessity as both 301 and 290 are both flat through their crossing.

How would flat terrain necessitate a grade separation between two highways?

Quote from: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 01:02:58 PM
The southern 290 interchange was originally configured just like the northern one (per 1959 topo) but converted into the current configuration by the 1976 topo.

That would mean that when US-301 was originally built as a 2-lane highway that those interchanges were built then.

I was out there today after visiting my dad on the Eastern Shore --

-- The MD-213 interchange was built in 1994 per the date plate on the bridge

-- The MD-304 interchange is still under construction, the bridge and MD-304 connection is open and the two roundabouts are open and three of the ramps are open.  The ramp from MD-304 to US-301 NB has a major fill section still under construction, it will probably take about 3 months to complete that.

-- Did not drive to MD-291.

So why did they build these three US-301 interchanges in the last 23 years, when they still have not built the much-more-needed interchanges at US-50/MD-213 and US-50/MD-404?  There are clear safety and efficiency justifications for the US-301 interchanges, but those two US-50 junctions are major traffic congestion points, in addition to having safety and efficiency problems.  I don't think that those two projects are even in the CTP yet for construction.

The 12 miles of MD-404 widening from US-50 to the Denton Bypass -- three miles is open and the rest is nearing completion, but maybe 6 to 9 months from everything being open.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 08:53:07 PM
Quote from: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 08:40:17 PM

Quote from: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 01:02:58 PM
The northern 290 interchange used to be different - see the 1956 aerial which shows there was a 2-way road connecting 301 and 290 that has been removed entirely but was located in the northwest quadrant and used essentially the SB offramp location.  The topography here made grade separation a near-necessity as both 301 and 290 are both flat through their crossing.

How would flat terrain necessitate a grade separation between two highways?



I wrote this sentence poorly.  I was trying to suggest that both roads appear to be nearly flat where they cross one another but on different planes.  It appears that building the 301 bridge over 290 with a connecting road was easier than digging out a bunch of earth on both sides of 290 so that they could have an at-grade intersection.

A very detailed topo map shows that 290 might have been lowered a little bit through the interchange area
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 09:03:22 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 08:53:07 PM
Quote from: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 29, 2017, 01:02:58 PM
The northern 290 interchange used to be different - see the 1956 aerial which shows there was a 2-way road connecting 301 and 290 that has been removed entirely but was located in the northwest quadrant and used essentially the SB offramp location.  The topography here made grade separation a near-necessity as both 301 and 290 are both flat through their crossing.
How would flat terrain necessitate a grade separation between two highways?
I wrote this sentence poorly.  I was trying to suggest that both roads appear to be nearly flat where they cross one another but on different planes.  It appears that building the 301 bridge over 290 with a connecting road was easier than digging out a bunch of earth on both sides of 290 so that they could have an at-grade intersection.
A very detailed topo map shows that 290 might have been lowered a little bit through the interchange area

I can picture that, kind of like how I-95 passes over VA-630 at Stafford, with I-95 on a fairly flat grade.

I need to go look at those two US-301 interchanges sometime, it has been at least 15 years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 31, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
Governor Hogan and several MDOT SHA personnel held a groundbreaking ceremony and press conference (http://ow.ly/N2OF30eODOt) for the widening of MD 32 between MD 108 (Exit 20) and Linden Church Road in Howard County. The tweet from MDOT states that this project is beginning 9 months earlier than anticipated, which is GOOD NEWS.

Next up is the widening between Linden Church Road and I-70, beginning in 2019, and after that the widening north of I-70, according to the Baltimore Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/columbia/ph-ho-cf-route-32-info-meeting-0706-20170629-story.html). Like I said a while ago, this is one of the most important projects that should have happened 15 years ago, and it's good that it is finally happening!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on August 31, 2017, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 31, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
Governor Hogan and several MDOT SHA personnel held a groundbreaking ceremony and press conference (http://ow.ly/N2OF30eODOt) for the widening of MD 32 between MD 108 (Exit 20) and Linden Church Road in Howard County. The tweet from MDOT states that this project is beginning 9 months earlier than anticipated, which is GOOD NEWS.

Next up is the widening between Linden Church Road and I-70, beginning in 2019, and after that the widening north of I-70, according to the Baltimore Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/columbia/ph-ho-cf-route-32-info-meeting-0706-20170629-story.html). Like I said a while ago, this is one of the most important projects that should have happened 15 years ago, and it's good that it is finally happening!

Will it be a 4-lane freeway?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 31, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 31, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
Governor Hogan and several MDOT SHA personnel held a groundbreaking ceremony and press conference (http://ow.ly/N2OF30eODOt) for the widening of MD 32 between MD 108 (Exit 20) and Linden Church Road in Howard County. The tweet from MDOT states that this project is beginning 9 months earlier than anticipated, which is GOOD NEWS.

Agreed.  This road has way, way, way too much traffic to be a two-land undivided road.  In spite of claims to the contrary from persons and groups opposed to a wider and safer MD-32.

Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 31, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
Next up is the widening between Linden Church Road and I-70, beginning in 2019, and after that the widening north of I-70, according to the Baltimore Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/columbia/ph-ho-cf-route-32-info-meeting-0706-20170629-story.html). Like I said a while ago, this is one of the most important projects that should have happened 15 years ago, and it's good that it is finally happening!

Will this be on a new alignment north of Burnt Woods Road and south of I-70?  There are driveways and at least a few intersections at-grade there. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on September 01, 2017, 09:12:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on August 31, 2017, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 31, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
Governor Hogan and several MDOT SHA personnel held a groundbreaking ceremony and press conference (http://ow.ly/N2OF30eODOt) for the widening of MD 32 between MD 108 (Exit 20) and Linden Church Road in Howard County. The tweet from MDOT states that this project is beginning 9 months earlier than anticipated, which is GOOD NEWS.

Next up is the widening between Linden Church Road and I-70, beginning in 2019, and after that the widening north of I-70, according to the Baltimore Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/columbia/ph-ho-cf-route-32-info-meeting-0706-20170629-story.html). Like I said a while ago, this is one of the most important projects that should have happened 15 years ago, and it's good that it is finally happening!

Will it be a 4-lane freeway?
I believe that it will be, since there are plans to upgrade the I-70 diamond interchange to a partial cloverleaf with some flyover ramps to the Interstate. Likewise, the MD 144 intersection will also be converted to a partial cloverleaf, and there will be RIRO's at some locations.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 01, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: BeltwayWill it be a 4-lane freeway?

Quote from: cpzilliacusWill this be on a new alignment north of Burnt Woods Road and south of I-70?  There are driveways and at least a few intersections at-grade there.

No freeway on the current plans which date from this summer...disregard what Henry just posted.  It will be limited access up to the Burnt Woods Rd interchange but will have a crossover at the Dayton Shops.  North of Burnt Woods will be an at-grade arterial, albeit with some J-turns and other Superstreet concepts.  There will be a SLIGHT (looks like roughly 30ft) realignment to the (north)west between River Valley Chase and Rosemary Ln....plat maps show that SHA already owns most of this ROW.  Except for that realignment section, the existing lanes will become the future west/northbound lanes.

This is a notable change from the 2006 plan, which had a freeway up to and through MD 144 and included loop ramps in the northeast and southwest quadrants of the I-70 interchange.  The current plan, in addition to what I described above, retains the existing signals at MD 144 and the I-70 ramps, and converts both left turns to I-70 to dual-left-turn lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 02, 2017, 07:39:14 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 01, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: BeltwayWill it be a 4-lane freeway?

Quote from: cpzilliacusWill this be on a new alignment north of Burnt Woods Road and south of I-70?  There are driveways and at least a few intersections at-grade there.

No freeway on the current plans which date from this summer...disregard what Henry just posted.  It will be limited access up to the Burnt Woods Rd interchange but will have a crossover at the Dayton Shops.  North of Burnt Woods will be an at-grade arterial, albeit with some J-turns and other Superstreet concepts.  There will be a SLIGHT (looks like roughly 30ft) realignment to the (north)west between River Valley Chase and Rosemary Ln....plat maps show that SHA already owns most of this ROW.  Except for that realignment section, the existing lanes will become the future west/northbound lanes.

This is a notable change from the 2006 plan, which had a freeway up to and through MD 144 and included loop ramps in the northeast and southwest quadrants of the I-70 interchange.  The current plan, in addition to what I described above, retains the existing signals at MD 144 and the I-70 ramps, and converts both left turns to I-70 to dual-left-turn lanes.

This is very disappointing. The original 2006 plan was exactly what this route needed to support its existing traffic volume and to have any hope of supporting future traffic volumes, and to see that the interchanges were scrapped and the crossovers retained with signals is a retrograde step. I don't understand why the project had to be downgraded to this extent, and I fear that the state will end up having to grade-separate it anyway 10-15 years after this project is completed. In my opinion the traffic volumes are sufficiently high that a case could be made for a full freeway all the way to MD 851 at the Carroll County line.

The only good thing is that the route is being divided and that at least a few of the crossovers are being closed and the remainder patrolled with signals, which is a major improvement over the state of the highway today. This is still very disappointing, though.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 02, 2017, 11:55:24 AM
I can see two reasons for the downgrade.  First, of course, is cost.  As it is, it'll be close to if not at 9 digits just to get a 4-lane corridor.  The second reason is that the freeway/interchange concepts did have a lot of stream impacts.

QuoteThe only good thing is that the route is being divided and that at least a few of the crossovers are being closed and the remainder patrolled with signals, which is a major improvement over the state of the highway today.

Regarding this comment, I'm not sure from the plans if there will be a signal at the Dayton shops.  Fortunately, there will be no crossovers other than left turns FROM MD 32 between the Dayton Shops and MD 144....there will be no cross-32 traffic or left turns onto 32 through that stretch.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on September 06, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
Regarding the improvements to MD-32 between Burnwoods Rd. and I-70
Quote from: BeltwayWill it be a 4-lane freeway?
Quote from: froggieNo freeway on the current plans...
North of Burnt Woods will be an at-grade arterial, albeit with some J-turns and other Superstreet concepts...
This is a notable change from the 2006 plan, which had a freeway up to and through MD 144 and included loop ramps in the northeast and southwest quadrants of the I-70 interchange.
My feeling is that a full freeway would be a "nice-to-have", but the traffic counts probably wouldn't call for it. Especially since the area is largely exurban bedroom communities, so not a lot of heavy truck traffic.  I wonder also if the state is a little reluctant to build something so pricey based on future traffic projections; didn't they kind of get burned with the I-95 express lanes?

Now if you want an example of a freeway interchange that is needed, look at MD-3 Crain Hwy and Waugh Chapel Rd.  A Superstreet with J-turns and channelized lefts, and there sign warning of high traffic, at least on the SB side.  There are even freeway-grade BGSs there.

There was a plan (http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=AT198112) at one point to make MD-3 a freeway between US-50/US-301/secret I-595 and I-97 -- it's whole length, essentially -- perhaps to even be an I-x97 3di.  One proposal was to just upgrade the existing road, where at least one of the bifurcated sections would have one side expressway, one side  local at-grade.  The other was to have a freeway built on a new r/w to the west; this would have required a 3/4-mile viaduct over wetlands due to the impact on the Patuxent River watershed.  Neither ever happened, and I thought I heard that the main reason was noise impacts.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on September 07, 2017, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 06, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
My feeling is that a full freeway would be a "nice-to-have", but the traffic counts probably wouldn't call for it.

Clearly you've never driven northbound on 32 from 108 to I-70 at... oh... sometime between 4:30 and 6:30 PM on a weekday... or southbound between about 8:00 and 9:30 AM.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 07, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: tckma on September 07, 2017, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 06, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
My feeling is that a full freeway would be a "nice-to-have", but the traffic counts probably wouldn't call for it.
Clearly you've never driven northbound on 32 from 108 to I-70 at... oh... sometime between 4:30 and 6:30 PM on a weekday... or southbound between about 8:00 and 9:30 AM.

This segment was to be part of the MD-32 Patuxent Freeway between I-70 and US-50 at Annapolis, all the rest of which has been built, one section as part of I-97.  As such it has the traffic and network need to be built to full freeway standards.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 08, 2017, 05:33:32 PM
QuoteThe original 2006 plan was exactly what this route needed to support its existing traffic volume and to have any hope of supporting future traffic volumes, and to see that the interchanges were scrapped and the crossovers retained with signals is a retrograde step. I don't understand why the project had to be downgraded to this extent, and I fear that the state will end up having to grade-separate it anyway 10-15 years after this project is completed.

I agree with this.  This smacks of something that will be viewed as a "missing link" (despite the extra lanes) not long after it's completed... I guess it's better than nothing if they truly can't find the money for the 2006 plan, but it seems like finding a way to "get it done right the first time" would be smart long-term. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 09, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
I understand the concerns some have with this plan over the 2006 mostly-freeway plan, but I'd argue the well-documented safety issues of 2 lanes versus 4 make a far more convincing argument to get it 4 laned NOW versus waiting years (likely decades) to get enough funding to "do it right the first time".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on September 09, 2017, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 09, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
I understand the concerns some have with this plan over the 2006 mostly-freeway plan, but I'd argue the well-documented safety issues of 2 lanes versus 4 make a far more convincing argument to get it 4 laned NOW versus waiting years (likely decades) to get enough funding to "do it right the first time".
I agree.  And remember, it's still slated to become full freeway all the way to Burntwoods Rd. anyway (except for those SHA shops, but lots of freeways have at-grade intersections for "official use only" facilities such as these).  But my question remains -- is a pricey freeway-to-freeway interchange at MD-32 and I-70, complete with provisions for the nearby MD-144 exit, really warranted? Gone are the days when a simple cloverleaf will cut it, barring wide loops and maybe C/D lanes.  If the NB->WB movement is really clogged at rush-hour, have the traffic signal that controls the double-left-turn lanes (to be built there  under the current plan) favor it during certain hours.  If that's still not enough, then add a loop ramp for that movement only.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on September 11, 2017, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 31, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
Governor Hogan and several MDOT SHA personnel held a groundbreaking ceremony and press conference (http://ow.ly/N2OF30eODOt) for the widening of MD 32 between MD 108 (Exit 20) and Linden Church Road in Howard County. The tweet from MDOT states that this project is beginning 9 months earlier than anticipated, which is GOOD NEWS.

Next up is the widening between Linden Church Road and I-70, beginning in 2019, and after that the widening north of I-70, according to the Baltimore Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/columbia/ph-ho-cf-route-32-info-meeting-0706-20170629-story.html). Like I said a while ago, this is one of the most important projects that should have happened 15 years ago, and it's good that it is finally happening!
Such a vital project for the Route 32 corridor.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 13, 2017, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 09, 2017, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 09, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
I understand the concerns some have with this plan over the 2006 mostly-freeway plan, but I'd argue the well-documented safety issues of 2 lanes versus 4 make a far more convincing argument to get it 4 laned NOW versus waiting years (likely decades) to get enough funding to "do it right the first time".
I agree.  And remember, it's still slated to become full freeway all the way to Burntwoods Rd. anyway (except for those SHA shops, but lots of freeways have at-grade intersections for "official use only" facilities such as these).  But my question remains -- is a pricey freeway-to-freeway interchange at MD-32 and I-70, complete with provisions for the nearby MD-144 exit, really warranted? Gone are the days when a simple cloverleaf will cut it, barring wide loops and maybe C/D lanes.  If the NB->WB movement is really clogged at rush-hour, have the traffic signal that controls the double-left-turn lanes (to be built there  under the current plan) favor it during certain hours.  If that's still not enough, then add a loop ramp for that movement only.

The I-70/MD 32 interchange wasn't going to be freeway-to-freeway. The only changes in the 2006 plans would be the additions of a 32NB->70WB loop ramp and a 32SB->70EB loop ramp. There would still be a crossover to go from I-70 east to MD 32 north if the 2006 interchange plans were built as planned.

The MD 144 interchange was important not because of the grade separation (which is definitely needed) but because of the access control rights purchases and the addition of frontage roads on both sides of the future freeway. Not building that interchange will mean that there will still be local landowners trying to make left turns across a divided highway with 60mph+ traffic, which is not optimal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 14, 2017, 09:35:45 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEANot building that interchange will mean that there will still be local landowners trying to make left turns across a divided highway with 60mph+ traffic, which is not optimal.

Not as much as you'd otherwise expect.  The project will eliminate a few driveways and side-street accesses.  All remaining private driveways will effectively become RIRO.  Half of these (along the west side of 32 south of 144) will be forced to make their "left turn" at the traffic light at 144.  Most of the remaining will make their U-turn at Rosemary Ln (where left turns from SB/EB 32 to Rosemary Ln will still be allowed).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 21, 2017, 11:04:19 AM
BIG news out of Maryland this morning. Gov. Hogan announced plans to build HO/T lanes on I-270 and all the way around Maryland's entire portion of the Beltway!

I haven't had time to collect any links while at the office. Just passing on what local transportation reporters Adam Tuss and Martin Di Caro are tweeting out.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on September 21, 2017, 11:33:24 AM
https://twitter.com/LarryHogan?lang=en

Apparently includes 4 HO/T lanes on entire MD portion of Beltway and I-270 to Frederick. Most interesting detail I've picked up so far: attempt to convince Dept of Interior to transfer BW Pkwy to MD so it can be included in the plan from DC to Baltimore.

(edited to add link)
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/capital-beltway-baltimore-washington-parkway-i-270-lane-expansions-announced-by-gov-larry-hogan; $9 billion to come from someplace...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on September 21, 2017, 11:39:53 AM
I heard there was going to be a transportation announcement in Mo Co today.  I was wondering if they were announcing the start of any more of the smaller I-270 changes they said were coming.  They just announced this week the new lane config will be coming this fall where I-270 south meets the outer loop.
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2977

But that's really good news.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on September 21, 2017, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: BrianP on September 21, 2017, 11:39:53 AM
I heard there was going to be a transportation announcement in Mo Co today.  I was wondering if they were announcing the start of any more of the smaller I-270 changes they said were coming.  They just announced this week the new lane config will be coming this fall where I-270 south meets the outer loop.
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=2977

But that's really good news.

Actually, those specifics were announced in April, along with a few others to I-270. Recent announcement was that work will start on the I-270 spur lane realignment, with work on the other bandaids along I-270 to come "later". Appears they came to the conclusion that bandaids and aspirin are insufficient for a broken leg.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on September 21, 2017, 11:56:52 AM
Yeah this week they announced the timing of when it will happen. 

They're early on in the construction of exit 12.  I wonder if the design of that will be compatible with future hot lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 21, 2017, 12:41:01 PM
Washington Post: Maryland governor proposes widening the Beltway and I-270 to include four toll lanes (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/maryland-gov-hogan-announces-9b-traffic-relief-plan-for-beltway-other-major-highways/2017/09/21/c15c14a0-9ec8-11e7-9083-fbfddf6804c2_story.html)

QuoteMaryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) on Thursday proposed a $9 billion project to widen the state's three most congested highways – Interstates 495 and 270 and the Baltimore-Washington Parkway – in what he said would be the largest public-private partnership in North America.

QuoteThe plan would add four lanes each to the Capital Beltway and I- 270 to Frederick, in addition to widening the Baltimore-Washington Parkway by taking over ownership from the federal government.

Quote"These three massive, unprecedented projects to widen I-495, I-270, and MD 295 will be absolutely transformative, and they will help Maryland citizens go about their daily lives in a more efficient and safer manner,"  Hogan said Thursday, in announcing the plan. "Today we are turning Maryland's celebrated innovation into real action. These projects will substantially and dramatically improve our state highway system and traffic in the region."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on September 21, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
I notice that widening of the American Legion Bridge is not specifically mentioned.  Without this, the current Outer Loop issues coming to that bridge will not be any better.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 21, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 21, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
I notice that widening of the American Legion Bridge is not specifically mentioned.  Without this, the current Outer Loop issues coming to that bridge will not be any better.

I believe either WTOP or WAMU (may have been a tweet, however) said the bridge would be reconstructed as part of the effort. Edited: Turns out it was a tweet from Channel 4's Adam Tuss noting a reconstruction would be required.

I wonder whether, assuming for discussion purposes that Maryland widens the Beltway as proposed, this might prompt Virginia to extend the HO/T lanes east either to or over the Wilson Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on September 21, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 21, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
I notice that widening of the American Legion Bridge is not specifically mentioned.  Without this, the current Outer Loop issues coming to that bridge will not be any better.
Agree that aiming 6 lanes of traffic at a 4 lane American Legion Memorial Bridge won't work for long. The bridge complex (actually 3 bridges in each direction) has been rebuilt/widened twice since it was built, and one of the shorter ones currently has structural issues. I can forsee an entirely separate project to expand/replace the bridge complex, at which time VA (or Transurban) would likely extend their 495 Express lanes 2 miles or so. As I understand it, such a new crossing could be tolled for all travelers, not just those in the Express lanes. This might cause long distance I-95 travelers to favor the eastern part of the Beltway moreso than now, which might provide an incentive for federal funding to keep the main part of the ALMB free.

Recall that the Wilson Bridge was owned by Uncle Sam, which contributed most of the funding for its replacement; after completion, ownership of the bridge (actually 4 parallel bridges) was transferred to the states (mostly to MD). The inside bridges have extra width (for a "future light rail project"), but Congressional action would likely be required to use that space for toll lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 21, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
The Wilson Bridge is actually two parallel spans, not four, although it's set up as a quad-carriageway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on September 21, 2017, 05:04:58 PM
Lexus Lanes are apparently coming to the Capital Beltway, I-270, and the B/W Parkway:

http://wtop.com/maryland/2017/09/hogan-proposes-9b-plan-add-new-lanes-beltway-270-bw-parkway/

I'm not sure if the National Park Service would sell the BW Parkway to MDSHA or MDTA. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on September 21, 2017, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 21, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
I notice that widening of the American Legion Bridge is not specifically mentioned.  Without this, the current Outer Loop issues coming to that bridge will not be any better.

Or... build another Potomac River crossing and complete the long-proposed outer beltway, connecting MD-200/I-370 to VA-7100...er...286.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 21, 2017, 05:28:46 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 21, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
I notice that widening of the American Legion Bridge is not specifically mentioned.  Without this, the current Outer Loop issues coming to that bridge will not be any better.

Virginia would need to participate as well, and build the section between VA-267 and Maryland.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 21, 2017, 06:41:08 PM
The expansion of MD 295 between MD 100 and I-195 will be a significant improvement all by itself, even if the rest of the Parkway remains as-is. The northbound backups on 295 at 100 are quite terrible and the southbound side isn't much better. The addition of the Hanover Road interchange will also be very helpful, since it will remove traffic from MD 100 that exits there to go west to Exit 8 (Coca-Cola Drive) or east to Exit 10 (MD 713).

I expect that within 20-25 years, all of MD 295 will be six lanes wide or more between MD 201 near D.C. and I-95 in Baltimore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 21, 2017, 07:48:18 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 21, 2017, 06:41:08 PM
I expect that within 20-25 years, all of MD 295 will be six lanes wide or more between MD 201 near D.C. and I-95 in Baltimore.
Well yeah because if this plan actually becomes reality then MD-295 would have two toll lanes in each direction from Baltimore City to D.C. Unless of course you meant having a third lane in each direction including the two toll lanes, in which I doubt any private investor would ever let happen.

Quote from: Mapmikey on September 21, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
I notice that widening of the American Legion Bridge is not specifically mentioned.  Without this, the current Outer Loop issues coming to that bridge will not be any better.
What I didn't hear, and I realize it may be because this huge project is still in infancy(if even that), is if there are any plans to rebuild some of the horrific interchanges along these highways. Some that immediately come to mind are the many outdated freeway to freeway cloverleafs on MD-295 and the eastern half of the Capital Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on September 21, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: tckma on September 21, 2017, 05:04:58 PM
I'm not sure if the National Park Service would sell the BW Parkway to MDSHA or MDTA.

If it does happen, I wonder if the Parkway will become an extended I-295 once widening is complete?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 21, 2017, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 21, 2017, 06:41:08 PM
The expansion of MD 295 between MD 100 and I-195 will be a significant improvement all by itself, even if the rest of the Parkway remains as-is. The northbound backups on 295 at 100 are quite terrible and the southbound side isn't much better. The addition of the Hanover Road interchange will also be very helpful, since it will remove traffic from MD 100 that exits there to go west to Exit 8 (Coca-Cola Drive) or east to Exit 10 (MD 713).
I expect that within 20-25 years, all of MD 295 will be six lanes wide or more between MD 201 near D.C. and I-95 in Baltimore.

I'm not holding my breath, Maryland has been talking about widening the B-W Parkway since the 1970s, one of the plans would have had 8 lanes throughout.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on September 22, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
I'm curious about the designations of the tunnels in Baltimore...this is what I've figured out so far.

In 1979, I-895 was designated and assigned to the Harbor Tunnel, while I-95 was still using the tunnel. When the Fort McHenry Tunnel opened in 1985, I-95 was later moved to the tunnel.

What I'm curious is during those six years, was I-895 unsigned, or was there an I-95/I-895 multiplex up until 1985, when I-95 moved to the Fort McHenry Tunnel?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on September 22, 2017, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
I was out there today after visiting my dad on the Eastern Shore --

-- The MD-213 interchange was built in 1994 per the date plate on the bridge

Some vidcaps from video taken early in the morning on July 5, 1993 of U.S. 301 north at MD 213:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-301_nb_at_md-213_070493_01.jpg)

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-301_nb_at_md-213_070493_02.jpg)

The intersection was preceded with one of those overheads warning "red light ahead when flashing".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on September 22, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
I'm curious about the designations of the tunnels in Baltimore...this is what I've figured out so far.
In 1979, I-895 was designated and assigned to the Harbor Tunnel, while I-95 was still using the tunnel. When the Fort McHenry Tunnel opened in 1985, I-95 was later moved to the tunnel.
What I'm curious is during those six years, was I-895 unsigned, or was there an I-95/I-895 multiplex up until 1985, when I-95 moved to the Fort McHenry Tunnel?

I don't recall I-95 ever being designated on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway.  What I am not fully sure about is whether it had "To I-95" signs or "TEMP I-95" signs, I think it had one of them after I-95 was open to the south and the north of Baltimore in 1972, and then only in a few trailblazers.  At that point Interstate continuity for the I-95 corridor already existed in the form of using I-695 to the west of the city.

I-95 was always planned for a new routing in the City of Baltimore, on the East-West Expressway thru the downtown in the Baltimore 10-D Interstate System concept of 1962, and on the Fort McHenry Bypass located on the Locust Point peninsula in the Baltimore 3-A Interstate and Boulevard System concept of 1968 -- where it was ultimately built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 21, 2017, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 21, 2017, 06:41:08 PM
The expansion of MD 295 between MD 100 and I-195 will be a significant improvement all by itself, even if the rest of the Parkway remains as-is. The northbound backups on 295 at 100 are quite terrible and the southbound side isn't much better. The addition of the Hanover Road interchange will also be very helpful, since it will remove traffic from MD 100 that exits there to go west to Exit 8 (Coca-Cola Drive) or east to Exit 10 (MD 713).
I expect that within 20-25 years, all of MD 295 will be six lanes wide or more between MD 201 near D.C. and I-95 in Baltimore.

I'm not holding my breath, Maryland has been talking about widening the B-W Parkway since the 1970s, one of the plans would have had 8 lanes throughout.

The NPS under Reagan offered to transfer the Baltimore-Washington Parkway to the Maryland State Highway  Administration, which was firmly and politely refused. 

Transferring it to MDTA makes sense, but four added toll lanes does not.  Better to toll the entire parkway (let the shunpikers  use I-95, U.S. 29 or other alternate routes) and widen it  to three lanes each way, which would retain its parkway character.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on September 22, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
I'm curious about the designations of the tunnels in Baltimore...this is what I've figured out so far.
In 1979, I-895 was designated and assigned to the Harbor Tunnel, while I-95 was still using the tunnel. When the Fort McHenry Tunnel opened in 1985, I-95 was later moved to the tunnel.
What I'm curious is during those six years, was I-895 unsigned, or was there an I-95/I-895 multiplex up until 1985, when I-95 moved to the Fort McHenry Tunnel?

I don't recall I-95 ever being designated on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway.  What I am not fully sure about is whether it had "To I-95" signs or "TEMP I-95" signs, I think it had one of them after I-95 was open to the south and the north of Baltimore in 1972, and then only in a few trailblazers.  At that point Interstate continuity for the I-95 corridor already existed in the form of using I-695 to the west of the city.

When the  "Between the Beltways" section of I-95 opened in the early 1970's, the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway was pretty intensely signed as TO I-95, suggesting that southbound traffic stay on the Tunnel Thruway from present-day I-95 Exit 63, complete with guide signs that read "WASH RICH," through the tunnel and south to present-day I-895 Exit 3 (a sharp ramp then and now) to Inner Loop I-695, then back to I-95 southbound at I-695 Exit 11 (then and now).

Northbound, the signs approaching I-695 said for I-95 traffic to exit to I-695 Outer Loop to I-695 Exit 8A (I-895 northbound), which "naturally" brought traffic back to I-95 (no exiting needed) at the northern terminus of the Harbor Tunnel Thruway.

When the Fort McHenry Tunnel was completed in 1985, all of this went away. The Harbor Tunnel Thruway was signed as I-895 and I-95 was signed as I-95. 

Before the Between the Beltways part of I-95 was built, the signs encouraged traffic to use the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, which  was also signed TO I-95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 22, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
I have seen old maps that show the BW Parkway as TEMP I-95 (I'm a few years too young to have seen this on the road). I don't ever recall TEMP I-95 on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway. I do recall the old sign on the I-695 Inner Loop when you reached its southern junction with I-95 where the sign for the road leading into Baltimore had a blank Interstate shield with no number, I guess so people wouldn't think it was the way to New York.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 22, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
I have seen old maps that show the BW Parkway as TEMP I-95 (I'm a few years too young to have seen this on the road). I don't ever recall TEMP I-95 on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway. I do recall the old sign on the I-695 Inner Loop when you reached its southern junction with I-95 where the sign for the road leading into Baltimore had a blank Interstate shield with no number, I guess so people wouldn't think it was the way to New York.

I do not recall ever seeing a TEMP I-95 sign on present-day I-895 or on the state or federal parts of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway. 

Now there were TO I-95 assemblies on both 895 and on the Parkway (these were apparently intended to be temporary, as they were usually installed on wood timbers and not on steel posts).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on September 22, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 22, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
I have seen old maps that show the BW Parkway as TEMP I-95 (I'm a few years too young to have seen this on the road). I don't ever recall TEMP I-95 on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway. I do recall the old sign on the I-695 Inner Loop when you reached its southern junction with I-95 where the sign for the road leading into Baltimore had a blank Interstate shield with no number, I guess so people wouldn't think it was the way to New York.

I do not recall ever seeing a TEMP I-95 sign on present-day I-895 or on the state or federal parts of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway. 

Now there were TO I-95 assemblies on both 895 and on the Parkway (these were apparently intended to be temporary, as they were usually installed on wood timbers and not on steel posts).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fton95.jpg&hash=7bc5695e7e7b38ef41444da1aa78ce3d9ede0209)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 08:42:02 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 22, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 22, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
I have seen old maps that show the BW Parkway as TEMP I-95 (I'm a few years too young to have seen this on the road). I don't ever recall TEMP I-95 on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway. I do recall the old sign on the I-695 Inner Loop when you reached its southern junction with I-95 where the sign for the road leading into Baltimore had a blank Interstate shield with no number, I guess so people wouldn't think it was the way to New York.
I do not recall ever seeing a TEMP I-95 sign on present-day I-895 or on the state or federal parts of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway. 
Now there were TO I-95 assemblies on both 895 and on the Parkway (these were apparently intended to be temporary, as they were usually installed on wood timbers and not on steel posts).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fton95.jpg&hash=7bc5695e7e7b38ef41444da1aa78ce3d9ede0209)

Are those on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway?  What year?  I took lots of photos of Maryland highways from the early 1970s onward, but unfortunately I did not photograph the signing of the Harbor Tunnel Thruway before I-95 was completed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 10:14:25 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 22, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 22, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
I have seen old maps that show the BW Parkway as TEMP I-95 (I'm a few years too young to have seen this on the road). I don't ever recall TEMP I-95 on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway. I do recall the old sign on the I-695 Inner Loop when you reached its southern junction with I-95 where the sign for the road leading into Baltimore had a blank Interstate shield with no number, I guess so people wouldn't think it was the way to New York.

I do not recall ever seeing a TEMP I-95 sign on present-day I-895 or on the state or federal parts of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway. 

Now there were TO I-95 assemblies on both 895 and on the Parkway (these were apparently intended to be temporary, as they were usually installed on wood timbers and not on steel posts).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fton95.jpg&hash=7bc5695e7e7b38ef41444da1aa78ce3d9ede0209)

These look very much like the ones that were installed on what is now I-895, and the sign assemblies were attached to the existing light poles (which were not wood).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 10:19:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 08:42:02 PM
Are those on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway?  What year?  I took lots of photos of Maryland highways from the early 1970s onward, but unfortunately I did not photograph the signing of the Harbor Tunnel Thruway before I-95 was completed.

These look to be early 1980's or before (they were removed after the Fort McHenry  Tunnel opened to traffic).  The Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway had signage that was somewhat different from the rest of Maryland, and nearly all of it has been replaced (I think the only thing that remains of that old style is a small green overhead panel approaching the Holabird Avenue exit on the Canton Viaduct). 

Unlike most "free" state-maintained roads in Maryland as well as the JFK Highway section of I-95, I do not remember the BHT ever having buttoncopy signs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on September 22, 2017, 11:42:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 10:19:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 08:42:02 PM
Are those on the Harbor Tunnel Thruway?  What year?  I took lots of photos of Maryland highways from the early 1970s onward, but unfortunately I did not photograph the signing of the Harbor Tunnel Thruway before I-95 was completed.

These look to be early 1980's or before (they were removed after the Fort McHenry  Tunnel opened to traffic).  The Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway had signage that was somewhat different from the rest of Maryland, and nearly all of it has been replaced (I think the only thing that remains of that old style is a small green overhead panel approaching the Holabird Avenue exit on the Canton Viaduct). 

Unlike most "free" state-maintained roads in Maryland as well as the JFK Highway section of I-95, I do not remember the BHT ever having buttoncopy signs.
Most of them were removed. These lasted into the late 2000s.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 10:14:25 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 22, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fton95.jpg&hash=7bc5695e7e7b38ef41444da1aa78ce3d9ede0209)
These look very much like the ones that were installed on what is now I-895, and the sign assemblies were attached to the existing light poles (which were not wood).

The font and format is certainly what was used in the 1960s and 1970s for Interstate trailblazer signs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 23, 2017, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacusThe NPS under Reagan offered to transfer the Baltimore-Washington Parkway to the Maryland State Highway  Administration, which was firmly and politely refused.

Are you confusing that with the BPR/NPS 1963 proposal which Maryland declined (didn't want to spend the money) or was there a separate Reagan era attempt?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on September 23, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 22, 2017, 10:14:25 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 22, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fto95n.jpg&hash=805129e4766f5e760a7c0539687eb4471ddfb9d8)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fmd%2Fi-895%2Fton95.jpg&hash=7bc5695e7e7b38ef41444da1aa78ce3d9ede0209)
These look very much like the ones that were installed on what is now I-895, and the sign assemblies were attached to the existing light poles (which were not wood).


The font and format is certainly what was used in the 1960s and 1970s for Interstate trailblazer signs.


Here is a photo of BW pkwy at beltway in late 60s showing a 95 shield.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2F495vintage%2FBWPkwySat495_12.jpg&hash=0b16320a0e7dae7515f7d641880fe20f12b3b551)

Can't verify from Tampa hotel but IIRC the 1961 rand McN shows bw pkwy as I95
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 23, 2017, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 23, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
The font and format is certainly what was used in the 1960s and 1970s for Interstate trailblazer signs.
Here is a photo of BW pkwy at beltway in late 60s showing a 95 shield.

But isn't that the B-W Parkway exit to eastern I-495?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on September 23, 2017, 08:04:50 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 08:42:02 PMI took lots of photos of Maryland highways from the early 1970s onward, but unfortunately I did not photograph the signing of the Harbor Tunnel Thruway before I-95 was completed.

Do you have any pics showing an I-170 shield around the expressway stub?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on September 23, 2017, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 23, 2017, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 23, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 22, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
The font and format is certainly what was used in the 1960s and 1970s for Interstate trailblazer signs.
Here is a photo of BW pkwy at beltway in late 60s showing a 95 shield.

But isn't that the B-W Parkway exit to eastern I-495?

Yes.  This is before 95 between the beltways existed.  Photo is meant to illustrate that the style of shield being discussed does go back that far.

Secondarily it might show that temporary through routes for 95 in MD were posted as TO 95 instead of TEMP 95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 24, 2017, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 23, 2017, 07:02:02 PM

Here is a photo of BW pkwy at beltway in late 60s showing a 95 shield.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2F495vintage%2FBWPkwySat495_12.jpg&hash=0b16320a0e7dae7515f7d641880fe20f12b3b551)

Can't verify from Tampa hotel but IIRC the 1961 rand McN shows bw pkwy as I95

The Baltimore-Washington Parkway was never signed as I-95, but there were plenty of TO I-95 like the one in your image above.  Note that designating the Parkway as I-95 was something that anti-highway activists in the District of Columbia and nearby parts of Maryland were promoting before I-95 across D.C. was cancelled.

This (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.992203,-76.885769,3a,75y,249.79h,89.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slHYPLd8mNR_GruIO5rXsdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is southbound B-W Parkway in GSV on  the bridge over I-495 (and I-95 today). 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on September 24, 2017, 10:21:48 PM
New plan to add lanes to: Capital Beltway (MD side), I-270, and the B-W Parkway (http://wtop.com/maryland/2017/09/hogan-proposes-9b-plan-add-new-lanes-beltway-270-bw-parkway/)

This $9bn plan adds 4 lanes to:
There would be express toll lanes on at least 2 of these routes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on September 25, 2017, 07:06:42 PM
Just drove into Havre de Grace and on the eastbound approach on MD-155, there are at least two yellow turn intersection signs in Clearview.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 25, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on September 24, 2017, 10:21:48 PM
New plan to add lanes to: Capital Beltway (MD side), I-270, and the B-W Parkway (http://wtop.com/maryland/2017/09/hogan-proposes-9b-plan-add-new-lanes-beltway-270-bw-parkway/)
This $9bn plan adds 4 lanes to:

  • The Capital Beltway, between the American Legion and Wilson Bridges (does not appear the mention the Legion Bridge itself)
  • I-270, all the way up to Frederick
  • The B-W Parkway, to Baltimore City; would also transfer the road's operations from the National Park Service to MdTA
There would be express toll lanes on at least 2 of these routes.

MDOT SHA will need to conduct a full NEPA EIS/location study process on these projects before they can be approved for construction.  That will take at least 5 years to conduct.

NEPA is the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969
EIS is an Environmental Impact Statement
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: adventurernumber1 on September 27, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
Disclaimer: I'm sure there's been threads on this millions of times before, and even if not, I'm not sure if it is justified for me to create one, so I'm just posting this here, since this is technically in Maryland.


This is something that I had never realized before, until browsing the D.C. area on Google Maps today.

For some reason I was oblivious to the fact that the southern end of the I-95/I-495 interchange (in Maryland) marks the location of a Park and Ride facility. This is very interesting, since I-70's eastern terminus is at a Park and Ride in Baltimore (which I am well aware of), which is close by. I don't know the history, but is it possible that in some form, I-95 was possibly originally going to go through much of the District of Columbia?  :hmm:

See here: https://tinyurl.com/yclbxk3c

Maybe the Park and Ride is there for no reason other than to simply exist in that particular chosen spot, but I'm willing to bet that it being there is possibly due to some rich highway history.

I do find this to be quite interesting, and I can't believe that I was unaware of it before. I suppose I had never looked very closely at the I-95/I-495 interchange before.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 27, 2017, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 27, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
Disclaimer: I'm sure there's been threads on this millions of times before, and even if not, I'm not sure if it is justified for me to create one, so I'm just posting this here, since this is technically in Maryland.


This is something that I had never realized before, until browsing the D.C. area on Google Maps today.

For some reason I was oblivious to the fact that the southern end of the I-95/I-495 interchange (in Maryland) marks the location of a Park and Ride facility. This is very interesting, since I-70's eastern terminus is at a Park and Ride in Baltimore (which I am well aware of), which is close by. I don't know the history, but is it possible that in some form, I-95 was possibly originally going to go through much of the District of Columbia?  :hmm:

See here: https://tinyurl.com/yclbxk3c

Maybe the Park and Ride is there for no reason other than to simply exist in that particular chosen spot, but I'm willing to bet that it being there is possibly due to some rich highway history.

I do find this to be quite interesting, and I can't believe that I was unaware of it before. I suppose I had never looked very closely at the I-95/I-495 interchange before.
Long story short, I-95 was planned to go through northeast D.C(connecting to the current northern end of I-395) and I-70 was planned to go through Baltimore. Both plans were canceled to fierce neighborhood opposition. However, I believe both the I-95/I-495 and I-70/I-695 interchanges were built with the assumption that I-95 and I-70 would continue and thus after they're cancellation, the stub ends were converted into park and rides.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on September 27, 2017, 09:46:18 PM
A map of the route:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2FAAroads%2F63XXXX-ShellMap.jpg&hash=3adaac5af32a9440dd7416530b3b11fe5bb2db8b)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 28, 2017, 09:36:37 PM
^ One of two routings considered for I-95 inside the Beltway, the other followed the PEPCO line and tied into the North Central Freeway...then-proposed-I-70S (and not shown on the map)...near New Hamsphire Ave NE.  Also, this was before the North Leg proposal was switched to a tunnel under K St NW.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on October 02, 2017, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 27, 2017, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 27, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
Disclaimer: I'm sure there's been threads on this millions of times before, and even if not, I'm not sure if it is justified for me to create one, so I'm just posting this here, since this is technically in Maryland.


This is something that I had never realized before, until browsing the D.C. area on Google Maps today.

For some reason I was oblivious to the fact that the southern end of the I-95/I-495 interchange (in Maryland) marks the location of a Park and Ride facility. This is very interesting, since I-70's eastern terminus is at a Park and Ride in Baltimore (which I am well aware of), which is close by. I don't know the history, but is it possible that in some form, I-95 was possibly originally going to go through much of the District of Columbia?  :hmm:

See here: https://tinyurl.com/yclbxk3c

Maybe the Park and Ride is there for no reason other than to simply exist in that particular chosen spot, but I'm willing to bet that it being there is possibly due to some rich highway history.

I do find this to be quite interesting, and I can't believe that I was unaware of it before. I suppose I had never looked very closely at the I-95/I-495 interchange before.
Long story short, I-95 was planned to go through northeast D.C(connecting to the current northern end of I-395) and I-70 was planned to go through Baltimore. Both plans were canceled to fierce neighborhood opposition. However, I believe both the I-95/I-495 and I-70/I-695 interchanges were built with the assumption that I-95 and I-70 would continue and thus after they're cancellation, the stub ends were converted into park and rides.

Isn't the stub end of I-95 now a weigh station?  I don't recall there ever being a Park And Ride there, but then, I only moved to the DC / Baltimore area in 2008.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 02, 2017, 01:48:19 PM
They made the lane drop switch where I-270 joins the outer loop.  They must have done it Friday night since I saw the change on Saturday.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 02, 2017, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: tckma on October 02, 2017, 01:34:33 PM
Isn't the stub end of I-95 now a weigh station?  I don't recall there ever being a Park And Ride there, but then, I only moved to the DC / Baltimore area in 2008.


It is both  park-and-ride and a truck weigh/inspection station.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on October 02, 2017, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 27, 2017, 09:17:37 PM
Long story short, I-95 was planned to go through northeast D.C(connecting to the current northern end of I-395) and I-70 was planned to go through Baltimore. Both plans were canceled to fierce neighborhood opposition. However, I believe both the I-95/I-495 and I-70/I-695 interchanges were built with the assumption that I-95 and I-70 would continue and thus after they're cancellation, the stub ends were converted into park and rides.
Actually, I-70 continues eastward for a mile or two past the I-695 interchange (the advance WB sign reading "I-70 ends at I-695" notwithstanding) before ending at a local road interchange and a park-and-ride.  The control city for that direction on I-695 is "Local Traffic", a town that I cannot seem to find on any map :confused:.  That stretch of roadway was supposedly going to be downgraded to a parkway/surface road as part of the Red Line light rail project, but that got cancelled, much to the dismay of many.

There are some artifacts of where I-70 was supposed to continue.  One is an isolated stretch of US-40 freeway in West Baltimore, that was originally supposed to be I-170 (and might still be signed as such on some maps).  The other is a ramp stub near I-95 NB off the Caton Ave. exit.  That exit is really long, considering it was originally to be C/D ramps for the end of I-70.  Up until some 20 years ago there was a huge ghost ramp ending in mid-air on the SB side; a fill pile and some lead-in roadway  to that ramp is still present.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 04, 2017, 09:18:47 AM
Next City: Even With Wider Highways, Maryland Could Still Find Itself in a Jam (https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/wider-highways-maryland-traffic-jam)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jcn on October 10, 2017, 02:53:05 AM
Here's some more high mast light trivia.  Back when the high mast lights at the I-95/I-695 interchange (the southern one), were lit up, did you know they were a mix of mercury vapor and HPS?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2017, 04:14:54 PM
Washington Post: Hogan's idea to widen Washington-area highways to add toll lanes has hit barriers before (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/hogans-idea-to-widen-washington-area-highways-to-add-toll-lanes-has-hit-barriers-before/2017/10/21/7c14a466-af85-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html)

QuoteMaryland Gov. Larry Hogan's proposal to add toll lanes to three of the most congested highways in the Washington suburbs reaches beyond similar proposals that stalled over the years after being deemed too expensive or disruptive to adjacent communities.

QuoteHogan's $9 billion plan would add four toll lanes each to Maryland's portion of the Capital Beltway (I-495) and to I-270 from the Beltway to Frederick. It would also widen the Baltimore-Washington Parkway by four toll lanes.

QuoteThe project would be built using a public-private partnership in what Hogan (R) has said would be the largest such deal for highways in North America.

QuoteThe success of Hogan's plan hinges, in part, on whether the private companies can figure out what state planners haven't been able to: how to add four cost-effective toll lanes without having to demolish dozens, and potentially hundreds, of homes and businesses.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on October 23, 2017, 07:33:57 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2017, 04:14:54 PM
QuoteThe success of Hogan's plan hinges, in part, on whether the private companies can figure out what state planners haven't been able to: how to add four cost-effective toll lanes without having to demolish dozens, and potentially hundreds, of homes and businesses.

Good luck with that. The Parkway generally has the ROW south of I-695, but the Beltway and I-270 are already tight. They're going to have trouble fitting one more lane per direction on the Beltway and 270 without major land acquisitions.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 26, 2017, 03:17:16 AM
Baltimore Sun: Hogan announces $50 million signal upgrade on Maryland highways to improve traffic flow (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-transportation-20171025-story.html)

QuoteDrivers in 14 state highway corridors in Maryland will see their travel times cut over the next year as a result of a $50 million upgrade to traffic signals, Gov. Larry Hogan said Wednesday.

QuoteThe new system, billed as the second phase of Hogan's program to relieve highway traffic congestion, will use artificial intelligence to better synchronize signals and improve traffic flow, officials said. The governor said the adaptive signal control system replaces technology that is more than 20 years old.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on October 27, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
I wanna point out the corridor in Brooklyn Park mentioned in the article consists of 4 signals. Just 4.
While this is a good idea, I'd appreciate it if the governor would consider the rest of Ritchie Hwy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 27, 2017, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on October 27, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
I wanna point out the corridor in Brooklyn Park mentioned in the article consists of 4 signals. Just 4.
While this is a good idea, I'd appreciate it if the governor would consider the rest of Ritchie Hwy.

The ones mentioned on the Solomons  Island Road section of MD-2 (Annapolis Harbour Center Drive to Tarragon Lane (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.9734897,-76.541967/38.9636666,-76.5464271/@38.968575,-76.5529474,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0)) is only 3 signals, but it's still a section of road that is extremely congested (usually north in AM and south in PM) by  Anne Arundel County standards.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 28, 2017, 10:12:59 PM
They also failed to include either US 1 or White Marsh Blvd (MD 43) north of Baltimore.  The latter is really bad because of the retail complex.  At the very least they could synchronize the lights at Honeygo & Perry Hall Boulevards.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 29, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 23, 2017, 07:33:57 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2017, 04:14:54 PM
QuoteThe success of Hogan's plan hinges, in part, on whether the private companies can figure out what state planners haven't been able to: how to add four cost-effective toll lanes without having to demolish dozens, and potentially hundreds, of homes and businesses.

Good luck with that. The Parkway generally has the ROW south of I-695, but the Beltway and I-270 are already tight. They're going to have trouble fitting one more lane per direction on the Beltway and 270 without major land acquisitions.

There are places where the Baltimore-Washington Parkway right-of-way is tight, and even if the federal government is willing to agree to deed the National Park Service (NPS) part of the parkway to Maryland, there will still be several places where Section 4(f) lands adjoin the right-of-way. Sale or giveaway of land belonging to NPS also requires approval by Congress, and has traditionally not been granted.

Speaking of right-of-way, I am not sure if it is even legally defined in places where the parkway runs through federal or state lands, a lot of which is presumably subject to Section 4(f) restrictions and limitations (https://www.environment.fhwa.dot.gov/4f/4ffiveminute.asp) (including land controlled by the National Park Service; the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission; NASA, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the Department of Homeland Security, the Fish and Wildlife Service; the U.S. Army (or maybe the Department of Defense) and the Maryland Aviation Administration).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: adventurernumber1 on October 29, 2017, 08:40:59 PM
I am incredibly sorry for having such a late reply, regarding the answers to my question in this thread (see Reply # 1305), but I was waiting until everyone who was going to respond to do so, before I replied again, so that I could put my response all into one post. I actually meant to do this a couple of weeks ago, but school temporarily got super busy super quick, and my plans were halted. But anyway, time to cease my boring disclaimer.  :pan:


Thank you everyone for letting me know the history of Interstate 95 in and near Washington, D.C. I now know that I-95 in the District of Columbia had a similar fate as I-70 in Baltimore, which I did not realize before. Thanks once again for the interesting information, insight, and maps, and I am now a little bit more knowledgeable on the intriguing history of this nation's roads!  :nod:

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on October 29, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 29, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
Speaking of right-of-way, I am not sure if it is even legally defined in places where the parkway runs through federal or state lands, a lot of which is presumably subject to Section 4(f) restrictions and limitations (https://www.environment.fhwa.dot.gov/4f/4ffiveminute.asp) (including land controlled by the National Park Service; the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission; NASA, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the Department of Homeland Security, the Fish and Wildlife Service; the U.S. Army (or maybe the Department of Defense) and the Maryland Aviation Administration).

When I rode thru the I-64 widening projects a few days ago, I could see the limited access right-of-way fences along U.S. Army property, and small signs on the fence stating that it is U.S. government land.  I have seen this in other places such as at Fort Lee and Fort A.P. Hill.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on November 21, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
The ribbon was cut yesterday on MD 404's newest dualized segment.  Four-oh-four is now dualized from US. 50 to just east of where MD 16, coming up from Cambridge, meets it for a brief multiplex before MD 16 shoots off towards Greenwood, DE.

http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/kent_county_news/spotlight/article_1b213ad2-c5c9-587f-be1b-949ea0cff3ee.html

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 21, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: ixnay on November 21, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
The ribbon was cut yesterday on MD 404's newest dualized segment.  Four-oh-four is now dualized from US. 50 to just east of where MD 16, coming up from Cambridge, meets it for a brief multiplex before MD 16 shoots off towards Greenwood, DE.
http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/kent_county_news/spotlight/article_1b213ad2-c5c9-587f-be1b-949ea0cff3ee.html
ixnay

This will increase the utility of the Route 404 corridor as an alternate to following US-50 in its entirety to Ocean City.  Route 404 connects to US-13 and US-113 which can be utilized to connect back to US-50.

Are there any plans to widen other sections of MD-404 and DE-404?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 21, 2017, 10:53:28 PM
No plans for DE 404 from the occasional foray I make to DelDOT's website.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on November 22, 2017, 10:31:04 AM
Holy shit. I read (thru articles posted on these forums) that extending the 4-lane section to US-50 was in some recent MD budget plan.... but I didn't even know that they started it, let alone have now completed it.
Now they just need to put in an interchange with US-50.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 22, 2017, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on November 22, 2017, 10:31:04 AM
Holy shit. I read (thru articles posted on these forums) that extending the 4-lane section to US-50 was in some recent MD budget plan.... but I didn't even know that they started it, let alone have now completed it.
Now they just need to put in an interchange with US-50.

MDOT SHA has projects for that, as well as for the 6-lane widening of US-50 between US-301 and MD-404, and an interchange at MD-213 and MD-18, but no funding in the Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for right-of-way or construction.

http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/webprojectlifecycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=QA2362317
Scope: 
This project consists of an interchange on US 50 to replace the existing at-grade intersection at MD 404 and a service road from MD 404 to Lake Drive. The interchange will be a full diamond and will replace the signalized intersection. The project also includes the construction of a service road along eastbound US 50 from Lake Drive to MD 404. A Park N Ride will also be constructed in the northwest quadrant to replace the existing one. 

For the corridor --
Description: 
Widen existing US 50 from US 301 at Queenstown to MD 404 (13.8 miles) to 6 lanes, acquire access controls, and replace at-grade intersections with interchanges. Bicycle and pedestrian accommodations will be included where appropriate. 

...
This has been in planning since the 1970s, I have copies of the study brochures.  Never yet funded.

I would recommend including a semi-directional ramp between EB US-50 and EB MD-404.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on November 22, 2017, 11:38:40 AM
From one eastern shore widening to another.
GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION START FOR THE FINAL PHASE OF US 113 WIDENING (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3032)
QuoteGovernor Larry Hogan today announced the start of construction on the final phase of widening US 113 (Worcester Highway). This $82.3 million congestion relief project widens US 113 from two lanes to four lanes with a median from MD 365 (Public Landing Road) to Five Mile Branch Road.
QuoteThe new lanes will open to traffic on the 4.3-mile section in fall 2019, with disincentives to the contractor per day beyond.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: RoadPelican on November 22, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
In terms of MD 404, I believe that the remaining two lane section from MD 16 to the Delaware line is on the drawing board but no funding at the moment.

As for Delaware 404, I think that State is too occupied with getting Route 1 up to freeway standards.  Plus, there is going to be a lot of work on US 113 over the next twenty years between Millsboro and Ellenton.  I think best case scenario on Delaware 404 getting widened is 30 years from now unless they can elect a Governor like Hogan who will build better roads in the whole state and not just the urban areas.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on November 22, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
Meant to post this last week when I read it. MD Secy of Transportation Pete Rahn appeared before the Montgomery County Council to discuss the state's ideas to widen the interstates.

https://wtop.com/maryland/2017/11/montgomery-co-leaders-hear-states-plans-ease-beltway-270-congestion/

"There were concerns expressed about whether or not the American Legion Bridge would be included in the expansion project, and Rahn confirmed that it would be."

Basically, they have no plans beyond "a PPP project to make toll lanes" and are relying on the private sector to come up with the details...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on November 22, 2017, 02:13:37 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on November 22, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
In terms of MD 404, I believe that the remaining two lane section from MD 16 to the Delaware line is on the drawing board but no funding at the moment.

As for Delaware 404, I think that State is too occupied with getting Route 1 up to freeway standards.  Plus, there is going to be a lot of work on US 113 over the next twenty years between Millsboro and Ellenton.  I think best case scenario on Delaware 404 getting widened is 30 years from now unless they can elect a Governor like Hogan who will build better roads in the whole state and not just the urban areas.
If Maryland were to complete widening 404 all the way to Delaware State Line, it would definitely put the pressure on Delaware to seriously consider widening its portion of 404 to at least US-113.

Quote from: davewiecking on November 22, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
Meant to post this last week when I read it. MD Secy of Transportation Pete Rahn appeared before the Montgomery County Council to discuss the state's ideas to widen the interstates.

https://wtop.com/maryland/2017/11/montgomery-co-leaders-hear-states-plans-ease-beltway-270-congestion/

"There were concerns expressed about whether or not the American Legion Bridge would be included in the expansion project, and Rahn confirmed that it would be."

Basically, they have no plans beyond "a PPP project to make toll lanes" and are relying on the private sector to come up with the details...
Very interested to see what ideas the private sector comes with, especially for the tight section of the Capital Beltway between I-270 and I-95. Could end up seeing something very similar to the underground and extremely impressive I-635 TEXpress lanes near Dallas.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on November 22, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on November 22, 2017, 02:13:37 PMIf Maryland were to complete widening 404 all the way to Delaware State Line, it would definitely put the pressure on Delaware to seriously consider widening its portion of 404 to at least US-113.
Is it worth even doing that in MD?  I'm not so familiar with shore traffic patterns.  But I can see traffic possibly dispersing in the Denton area utilizing three routes.  First is of course 404/US 9|US 113.  Second is the MD/DE 16 route. And third is the MD 317/DE 14 route.  Since traffic has alternate routes eastward with differing destinations, again are anymore improvements needed?  The interchanges mentioned in DE sound warranted when you have the east-west corridors crossing the north-south corridors. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on November 22, 2017, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: BrianP on November 22, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on November 22, 2017, 02:13:37 PMIf Maryland were to complete widening 404 all the way to Delaware State Line, it would definitely put the pressure on Delaware to seriously consider widening its portion of 404 to at least US-113.
Is it worth even doing that in MD?  I'm not so familiar with shore traffic patterns.  But I can see traffic possibly dispersing in the Denton area utilizing three routes.  First is of course 404/US 9|US 113.  Second is the MD/DE 16 route. And third is the MD 317/DE 14 route.  Since traffic has alternate routes eastward with differing destinations, again are anymore improvements needed?  The interchanges mentioned in DE sound warranted when you have the east-west corridors crossing the north-south corridors.
Good point however 404 is still the most direct route to the Delaware beaches and assuming that most beach-bound travelers are driving based on what their GPS says, I think that unless these alternate routes are more heavily signed as such, 404 could still benefit from be widened further.

Also as much I wouldn't mind seeing US-113 get some interchanges, is that even feasible without hugely impacting the many homes and businesses in close vicinity to these intersections?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 23, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: BrianP on November 22, 2017, 11:38:40 AM
From one eastern shore widening to another.
GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION START FOR THE FINAL PHASE OF US 113 WIDENING (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3032)
QuoteGovernor Larry Hogan today announced the start of construction on the final phase of widening US 113 (Worcester Highway). This $82.3 million congestion relief project widens US 113 from two lanes to four lanes with a median from MD 365 (Public Landing Road) to Five Mile Branch Road.
QuoteThe new lanes will open to traffic on the 4.3-mile section in fall 2019, with disincentives to the contractor per day beyond.

113 isn't congested.  4-laning that last segment makes sense from a consistency and safety perspective, but to call it "congestion relief" is a serious misnomer.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on November 23, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: froggie on November 23, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: BrianP on November 22, 2017, 11:38:40 AM
From one eastern shore widening to another.
GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION START FOR THE FINAL PHASE OF US 113 WIDENING (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3032)
QuoteGovernor Larry Hogan today announced the start of construction on the final phase of widening US 113 (Worcester Highway). This $82.3 million congestion relief project widens US 113 from two lanes to four lanes with a median from MD 365 (Public Landing Road) to Five Mile Branch Road.
QuoteThe new lanes will open to traffic on the 4.3-mile section in fall 2019, with disincentives to the contractor per day beyond.

113 isn't congested.  4-laning that last segment makes sense from a consistency and safety perspective, but to call it "congestion relief" is a serious misnomer.

I would argue it helps relieve congestion on 13, but 13 isn't that congested either.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sparker on November 23, 2017, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 23, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: froggie on November 23, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: BrianP on November 22, 2017, 11:38:40 AM
From one eastern shore widening to another.
GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION START FOR THE FINAL PHASE OF US 113 WIDENING (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3032)
QuoteGovernor Larry Hogan today announced the start of construction on the final phase of widening US 113 (Worcester Highway). This $82.3 million congestion relief project widens US 113 from two lanes to four lanes with a median from MD 365 (Public Landing Road) to Five Mile Branch Road.
QuoteThe new lanes will open to traffic on the 4.3-mile section in fall 2019, with disincentives to the contractor per day beyond.

113 isn't congested.  4-laning that last segment makes sense from a consistency and safety perspective, but to call it "congestion relief" is a serious misnomer.

I would argue it helps relieve congestion on 13, but 13 isn't that congested either.

Since DE has long indicated that they're emphasizing US 113 as their preferred N-S through corridor, it might seem as if the MD expansion effort is intended to address potential traffic increases as a result of effective diversion further north across the state line.  Given that there's a substantial amount of truck traffic on US 13 (albeit a portion of it to and from the industrial area around Salisbury), it would make sense to, via signage and other methods, attempt to steer automobile and recreational traffic to US 113. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 23, 2017, 07:41:04 PM
Speaking from long personal experience, though, there's not a whole lot of long-distance traffic on the Delmarva.  Certainly not enough to warrant widening one route as "congestion relief" for another.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on November 23, 2017, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 23, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: froggie on November 23, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: BrianP on November 22, 2017, 11:38:40 AM
From one eastern shore widening to another.
GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION START FOR THE FINAL PHASE OF US 113 WIDENING (http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3032)
QuoteGovernor Larry Hogan today announced the start of construction on the final phase of widening US 113 (Worcester Highway). This $82.3 million congestion relief project widens US 113 from two lanes to four lanes with a median from MD 365 (Public Landing Road) to Five Mile Branch Road.
QuoteThe new lanes will open to traffic on the 4.3-mile section in fall 2019, with disincentives to the contractor per day beyond.

113 isn't congested.  4-laning that last segment makes sense from a consistency and safety perspective, but to call it "congestion relief" is a serious misnomer.

I would argue it helps relieve congestion on 13, but 13 isn't that congested either.

Except in the golden mile around Barnes & Noble, the Centre at Salisbury, etc. north of the Salisbury Bypass.  At least that's how I experienced it a week and a half ago while vacationing in Bethany Beach and went to B&N looking for (and buying) a railroad magazine unavailable anywhere in my area (or at the DE beaches, OC, or West OC).

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 26, 2017, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on November 22, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
Meant to post this last week when I read it. MD Secy of Transportation Pete Rahn appeared before the Montgomery County Council to discuss the state's ideas to widen the interstates.

https://wtop.com/maryland/2017/11/montgomery-co-leaders-hear-states-plans-ease-beltway-270-congestion/

"There were concerns expressed about whether or not the American Legion Bridge would be included in the expansion project, and Rahn confirmed that it would be."

Basically, they have no plans beyond "a PPP project to make toll lanes" and are relying on the private sector to come up with the details...

Washington Post: Maryland transportation officials invite companies to hear details of highway expansion and tolling plan (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/11/22/maryland-transportation-officials-invite-companies-to-hear-details-of-highway-tolling-plan/)

QuoteMaryland transportation officials have scheduled a Dec. 13 forum for companies interested in a public-private partnership to add express toll lanes to the Capital Beltway and Interstate 270.

QuoteThe meeting at the BWI Airport Marriott will provide companies more details about Gov. Larry Hogan's plan to add four toll lanes to each highway via a $7.6 billion public-private partnership. Under the agreement, a team of companies would design, build and finance the lanes' construction in exchange for operating the lanes and collecting toll revenues long-term. Maryland officials have said regular travel lanes will remain free, and the state will face no risks if toll revenues are less than projected.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 26, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 26, 2017, 02:58:58 PM
Quote(comPost) The meeting at the BWI Airport Marriott will provide companies more details about Gov. Larry Hogan's plan to add four toll lanes to each highway via a $7.6 billion public-private partnership. Under the agreement, a team of companies would design, build and finance the lanes' construction in exchange for operating the lanes and collecting toll revenues long-term. Maryland officials have said regular travel lanes will remain free, and the state will face no risks if toll revenues are less than projected.

NEPA location/EIS studies?  They need at least 4 years if they haven't already started the process.  Also need to coordinate with Virginia on I-495.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 26, 2017, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 26, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
NEPA location/EIS studies?  They need at least 4 years if they haven't already started the process.  Also need to coordinate with Virginia on I-495.

There's also a significant amount of Section 4(f) (https://www.environment.fhwa.dot.gov/4f/index.asp) resources (mostly in the form of federal parkland) that abuts I-495 (the Capital Beltway) on the Virginia and Maryland sides of the American Legion Bridge crossing.

Some of the study required of Section 4(f) lands can be done as part of the NEPA process that you mention above, but regardless, it must be done before the federal government can allow construction work to happen.  And if the federal government fails to assure that all of it gets done, then the federal courts will almost certainly bring everything to a screeching halt.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 26, 2017, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 26, 2017, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 26, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
NEPA location/EIS studies?  They need at least 4 years if they haven't already started the process.  Also need to coordinate with Virginia on I-495.
There's also a significant amount of Section 4(f) (https://www.environment.fhwa.dot.gov/4f/index.asp) resources (mostly in the form of federal parkland) that abuts I-495 (the Capital Beltway) on the Virginia and Maryland sides of the American Legion Bridge crossing.
Some of the study required of Section 4(f) lands can be done as part of the NEPA process that you mention above, but regardless, it must be done before the federal government can allow construction work to happen.  And if the federal government fails to assure that all of it gets done, then the federal courts will almost certainly bring everything to a screeching halt.

I would like to see the two states do a full NEPA process on installing HOT lanes on I-495 between VA-267 and I-270 Spur, as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on November 28, 2017, 04:03:50 PM
I'm definitely all for extending the HOT lanes on the Beltway up to I-270, that's a no-brainer. But on I-270 itself, I wonder.. what part are they pondering on? It would have to be on the part that isn't already 2-4-4-2 right?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 29, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
WTOP reports this morning that the ICC had 30 million trips in 2016, second only to the Fort McHenry Tunnel (42.6 million) statewide.

It'd be interesting to see data about starting and ending points for those trips.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/11/aaa-mid-atlantic-maryland-200-intercounty-connector/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
WTOP reports this morning that the ICC had 30 million trips in 2016, second only to the Fort McHenry Tunnel (42.6 million) statewide.
It'd be interesting to see data about starting and ending points for those trips.
https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/11/aaa-mid-atlantic-maryland-200-intercounty-connector/

What is the AADT along various sections?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 29, 2017, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
WTOP reports this morning that the ICC had 30 million trips in 2016, second only to the Fort McHenry Tunnel (42.6 million) statewide.
It'd be interesting to see data about starting and ending points for those trips.
https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/11/aaa-mid-atlantic-maryland-200-intercounty-connector/

What is the AADT along various sections?

Article doesn't say. Maybe cpzilliacus knows.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2017, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2017, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 11:11:04 AM

What is the AADT along various sections?

Article doesn't say. Maybe cpzilliacus knows.

At the far west end near the Shady Grove Metro station, the 2016 AADT is about 52,000 (compare and contrast with untolled I-370 between the west end of MD-200 and I-270, where the AADT is over 102,000). Between U.S. 29 and I-95, the AADT is about 44,000. East of I-95, traffic volumes are much lower, at about 9,000.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2017, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2017, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 11:11:04 AM
What is the AADT along various sections?
Article doesn't say. Maybe cpzilliacus knows.
At the far west end near the Shady Grove Metro station, the 2016 AADT is about 52,000 (compare and contrast with untolled I-370 between the west end of MD-200 and I-270, where the AADT is over 102,000). Between U.S. 29 and I-95, the AADT is about 44,000.

That is getting substantial, and is more befitting of the 6-lane freeway that it is.

Quote
East of I-95, traffic volumes are much lower, at about 9,000.

Stub connection to US-1, not surprising.

I went to Frederick on Thanksgiving, and took the opportunity to travel the ICC in both directions, the first time I did since the final segment to US-1 was completed.  Toll was $2.98 each way.

It is a bit odd how I-370 simply becomes MD-200 on the same 6-lane freeway.  The segment into the Metro station apparently is no longer part of I-370, and it now has a trumpet interchange with the main freeway.  Is there any reason why MD-200 could not be designated as an Interstate highway?  It could be an extension of I-370, or perhaps the whole thing could be designated as I-470 since it would not be a spur, in that it connects I-270 to I-95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2017, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2017, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2017, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 11:11:04 AM
What is the AADT along various sections?
Article doesn't say. Maybe cpzilliacus knows.
At the far west end near the Shady Grove Metro station, the 2016 AADT is about 52,000 (compare and contrast with untolled I-370 between the west end of MD-200 and I-270, where the AADT is over 102,000). Between U.S. 29 and I-95, the AADT is about 44,000.

That is getting substantial, and is more befitting of the 6-lane freeway that it is.

Quote
East of I-95, traffic volumes are much lower, at about 9,000.

Stub connection to US-1, not surprising.

Was supposed to go to either Baltimore-Washington Parkway (unsigned MD-295) south of MD-197; or U.S. 50 (John Hanson Highway) near Freeway Airport; or U.S. 301 (Crain Highway) near Leeland Road.

Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
I went to Frederick on Thanksgiving, and took the opportunity to travel the ICC in both directions, the first time I did since the final segment to US-1 was completed.  Toll was $2.98 each way.

That's the toll weekdays in the middle of the day. 

Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
It is a bit odd how I-370 simply becomes MD-200 on the same 6-lane freeway.  The segment into the Metro station apparently is no longer part of I-370, and it now has a trumpet interchange with the main freeway.  Is there any reason why MD-200 could not be designated as an Interstate highway?  It could be an extension of I-370, or perhaps the whole thing could be designated as I-470 since it would not be a spur, in that it connects I-270 to I-95.

The part of I-370 that ran past Shady Grove Road and into the Shady Grove rail station is now unsigned MD-200A.

MD-200UL was the number in the MD/SHA Highway Location Reference going back at least 30 years, maybe more.  There's also the matter of the decidedly  non-Interstate signalized intersection where MD-200 ends at U.S. 1.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 30, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2017, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
It is a bit odd how I-370 simply becomes MD-200 on the same 6-lane freeway.  The segment into the Metro station apparently is no longer part of I-370, and it now has a trumpet interchange with the main freeway.  Is there any reason why MD-200 could not be designated as an Interstate highway?  It could be an extension of I-370, or perhaps the whole thing could be designated as I-470 since it would not be a spur, in that it connects I-270 to I-95.
The part of I-370 that ran past Shady Grove Road and into the Shady Grove rail station is now unsigned MD-200A.
MD-200UL was the number in the MD/SHA Highway Location Reference going back at least 30 years, maybe more.  There's also the matter of the decidedly  non-Interstate signalized intersection where MD-200 ends at U.S. 1.

I wouldn't suggest it being designated as an Interstate east of I-95, as the cross-section and alignment is built to a lower standard than the rest of the ICC.

If they are not going to promote MD-200, then what is the rationale for not demoting I-370 to MD-200?  It is one seamless highway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on November 30, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 30, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 29, 2017, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
It is a bit odd how I-370 simply becomes MD-200 on the same 6-lane freeway.  The segment into the Metro station apparently is no longer part of I-370, and it now has a trumpet interchange with the main freeway.  Is there any reason why MD-200 could not be designated as an Interstate highway?  It could be an extension of I-370, or perhaps the whole thing could be designated as I-470 since it would not be a spur, in that it connects I-270 to I-95.
The part of I-370 that ran past Shady Grove Road and into the Shady Grove rail station is now unsigned MD-200A.
MD-200UL was the number in the MD/SHA Highway Location Reference going back at least 30 years, maybe more.  There's also the matter of the decidedly  non-Interstate signalized intersection where MD-200 ends at U.S. 1.

I wouldn't suggest it being designated as an Interstate east of I-95, as the cross-section and alignment is built to a lower standard than the rest of the ICC.

If they are not going to promote MD-200, then what is the rationale for not demoting I-370 to MD-200?  It is one seamless highway.

Is there some rule (by MDOT or AASHTO) that new toll roads cannot be signed as Interstate highways?  (Not talking about how NJTP, Penn Turnpike and other roads got grandfathered in to the system.)

You are right that it would be preferred for the full highway from US 1 to Great Seneca Hwy to have the same number, but I'm thinking that they left it the way they did to emphasize that the section west of the Metro station is toll-free.

What they really should do is incorporate control cities for the road.  Laurel and Gaithersburg should work fine.  A sign like this just has too many symbols, get rid of the shields for I-95 and I-270:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0838166,-76.947893,3a,75y,243.97h,110.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJdRybyYrLSskPA_8QPBXdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 30, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: mrsman on November 30, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 30, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
I wouldn't suggest it being designated as an Interstate east of I-95, as the cross-section and alignment is built to a lower standard than the rest of the ICC.
If they are not going to promote MD-200, then what is the rationale for not demoting I-370 to MD-200?  It is one seamless highway.
Is there some rule (by MDOT or AASHTO) that new toll roads cannot be signed as Interstate highways?  (Not talking about how NJTP, Penn Turnpike and other roads got grandfathered in to the system.)

Not as far as I have ever heard.  The I-355 / North-South Tollway extension in Illinois was opened in the last 10 years.

Quote from: mrsman on November 30, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
You are right that it would be preferred for the full highway from US 1 to Great Seneca Hwy to have the same number, but I'm thinking that they left it the way they did to emphasize that the section west of the Metro station is toll-free.

I-370 opened in 1988 and was a 90% federal-aid funded Interstate highway.  MD-200 was built over 25 years later and was a 100% toll funded state highway, no federal funds (as far as I know). 

So having the two segments designated differently in route numbers does indeed reflect the different funding and toll/non-toll status, given that the MD-200 sign also includes a TOLL sign above.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 30, 2017, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: mrsman on November 30, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Is there some rule (by MDOT or AASHTO) that new toll roads cannot be signed as Interstate highways?  (Not talking about how NJTP, Penn Turnpike and other roads got grandfathered in to the system.)

You are right that it would be preferred for the full highway from US 1 to Great Seneca Hwy to have the same number, but I'm thinking that they left it the way they did to emphasize that the section west of the Metro station is toll-free.

What they really should do is incorporate control cities for the road.  Laurel and Gaithersburg should work fine.  A sign like this just has too many symbols, get rid of the shields for I-95 and I-270:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0838166,-76.947893,3a,75y,243.97h,110.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJdRybyYrLSskPA_8QPBXdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

If there is a 3di available for MD-200 (and there clearly is, probably I-470 or maybe just extending I-370 east), then I don't think anyone cares, as long as the road is built to Interstate standards.  Which MD-200 is, with the sole exception of the eastern terminus at U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue), which is a signalized "continuous flow" intersection.  As an aside, one of the loudest and most-noxious opponents of the project (who lived in far-away Takoma Park and supposedly now lives in Oregon) repeatedly made the claim that it would be signed as I-370 (and even had called his anti-ICC site on the early Web "ICC370" (long gone now, though parts of it are on the Internet Archive)).

West of I-270 and I-370, the road (Sam Eig Highway, unsigned County Route 6271) is definitely not built to Interstate standards.  It is not even a state route.  Curiously, it's a county route and not a Gaithersburg municipal route (some of it appears to run smack on the border between Gaithersburg and unincorporated Montgomery County, just west of I-270 it is entirely in Gaithersburg).

I agree that control cities would be useful, though the road has never had them.  Westbound Rockville and Gaithersburg (and maybe Shady Grove west of MD-97) and eastbound Laurel and Beltsville and maybe Burtonsville.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 30, 2017, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 30, 2017, 02:24:59 PM
If there is a 3di available for MD-200 (and there clearly is, probably I-470 or maybe just extending I-370 east), then I don't think anyone cares, as long as the road is built to Interstate standards.  Which MD-200 is, with the sole exception of the eastern terminus at U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue), which is a signalized "continuous flow" intersection.  As an aside, one of the loudest and most-noxious opponents of the project (who lived in far-away Takoma Park and supposedly now lives in Oregon) repeatedly made the claim that it would be signed as I-370 (and even had called his anti-ICC site on the early Web "ICC370" (long gone now, though parts of it are on the Internet Archive)).

Indeed, that was Mark Robinowitz.  It would be poetic justice to designate the highway as I-370!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 30, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
Federal law allows toll roads to be added as non-chargeable Interstates as long as they meet Interstate standards and meet normal FHWA criteria for Interstate inclusion (i.e. connect to another Interstate, have logical termini, etc etc).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on November 30, 2017, 05:16:33 PM
They are also not allowed to have used federal funding.  See VA 895.  I'm not sure if there are kinds of federal funding that are allowed like grants.  But the ICC does look like it has some funds that were federal in source:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090315024359/http://tifia.fhwa.dot.gov/projects/fs13.cfm

I guess the GARVEE bonds would be considered federal funding due to the way they are paid back:
QuoteStates must repay the bonds using federal funds expected to be received in the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GARVEE
Otherwise I think it would have been designated an interstate from the start.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 30, 2017, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: BrianP on November 30, 2017, 05:16:33 PM
They are also not allowed to have used federal funding.  See VA 895.  I'm not sure if there are kinds of federal funding that are allowed like grants.  But the ICC does look like it has some funds that were federal in source:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090315024359/http://tifia.fhwa.dot.gov/projects/fs13.cfm
I guess the GARVEE bonds would be considered federal funding due to the way they are paid back:
QuoteStates must repay the bonds using federal funds expected to be received in the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GARVEE
Otherwise I think it would have been designated an interstate from the start.

Federally insured loans that the state will ultimately pay back might not be an issue, but I see on that site --
Federal Grants: $180.0 million

Actual federal funds on a portion of the funding package.

I am still working with VDOT on my advocacy of getting Interstate designations for VA-895 and VA-288.

A clause in the next federal transportation bill, or other new federal legislation, could provide a specific authorization for Route 895 to become I-895.  The road has been open since 2002, and that IMHO is what they need to do.

They did a detailed study on the 6 highways that I submitted, and there were multiple design issues on the others that are lower than Interstate standards.  VA-267, VA-164, VA-195.  Things like geometrics and shoulder widths, at least in certain places.  Interstate spurs IMHO have lower priority than outer loops (like Routes 288 and 895) that clearly have inter-state traffic roles in addition to local and regional roles.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on November 30, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
I disocvered new non-reflective button copy signs near Frederick but GSV only goes up to 2013.  Anybody know if these are still around? I know MD has been changing signs a lot lately.

ALt US-40 EB
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4222831,-77.4881845,3a,75y,98.98h,86.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sceQUZO6zx4qDcRbBdO_tiw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

US-40 WB
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4259877,-77.4752391,3a,75y,327.95h,86.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXBSPXq6f-1h8ywMvs2jCbA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 30, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on November 30, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
US-40 WB
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4259877,-77.4752391,3a,75y,327.95h,86.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXBSPXq6f-1h8ywMvs2jCbA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

As of January 2017, this was still standing there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on December 01, 2017, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on November 30, 2017, 06:59:49 PMI disocvered new non-reflective button copy signs near Frederick
New?  Those signs look to be 1970s/1980s vintage.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on November 30, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
ALt US-40 EB
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4222831,-77.4881845,3a,75y,98.98h,86.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sceQUZO6zx4qDcRbBdO_tiw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Gone (probably in  the past year).  Was by there yesterday and it has been replaced by a new panel with Clearview.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
Baltimore Sun photo study of the Hanover Street Bridge (MD-2) can be found at this link: At 101, the Hanover Street Bridge is showing its age (http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2017/12/at-101-the-hanover-street-bridge-is-showing-its-age/#1).

Baltimore City has a study under way to determine (among other things) if the Hanover Street Bridge should be rehabilitated or replaced with  a new structure: Hanover Street Corridor Study (Includes the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Bridge) (https://transportation.baltimorecity.gov/tiger/hanover-st).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2017, 02:25:46 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 01, 2017, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on November 30, 2017, 06:59:49 PMI disocvered new non-reflective button copy signs near Frederick
New?  Those signs look to be 1970s/1980s vintage.

They are not the original signs for I-70 between Frederick and Hagerstown.  For reasons unknown to me, the originals were really cheap (for signs on a new Interstate in Maryland) and probably considered temporary.  Many of the  panels were composite plywood mounted on wood timbers painted dark green with buttoncopy or non-buttoncopy characters, and this was the  only place in Maryland where I have ever seen overhead signs mounted on span wires.  They were replaced after this part of I-70 had been open for a few years with the  standard (for the time) buttoncopy on extruded aluminum panels.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on December 04, 2017, 12:33:31 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2017, 02:25:46 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 01, 2017, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on November 30, 2017, 06:59:49 PMI disocvered new non-reflective button copy signs near Frederick
New?  Those signs look to be 1970s/1980s vintage.

They are not the original signs for I-70 between Frederick and Hagerstown.  For reasons unknown to me, the originals were really cheap (for signs on a new Interstate in Maryland) and probably considered temporary.  Many of the  panels were composite plywood mounted on wood timbers painted dark green with buttoncopy or non-buttoncopy characters, and this was the  only place in Maryland where I have ever seen overhead signs mounted on span wires.  They were replaced after this part of I-70 had been open for a few years with the  standard (for the time) buttoncopy on extruded aluminum panels.

I hope there are pictures of those somewhere on the interwebs (the Summa files?). I need to see that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 04, 2017, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: cl94 on December 04, 2017, 12:33:31 AM
I hope there are pictures of those somewhere on the interwebs (the Summa files?). I need to see that.

I have never seen them unfortunately.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on December 04, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
It is a bit odd how I-370 simply becomes MD-200 on the same 6-lane freeway.  The segment into the Metro station apparently is no longer part of I-370, and it now has a trumpet interchange with the main freeway.

I am fairly sure the section from the end of MD-200 to the Shady Grove Metro Station is still part of I-370, even if it isn't signed as such.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 04, 2017, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: tckma on December 04, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
It is a bit odd how I-370 simply becomes MD-200 on the same 6-lane freeway.  The segment into the Metro station apparently is no longer part of I-370, and it now has a trumpet interchange with the main freeway.
I am fairly sure the section from the end of MD-200 to the Shady Grove Metro Station is still part of I-370, even if it isn't signed as such.

If so that is a moot point.  The road appears to the motoring public as I said above.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on December 04, 2017, 11:03:38 AM
Quote from: tckma on December 04, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 29, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
It is a bit odd how I-370 simply becomes MD-200 on the same 6-lane freeway.  The segment into the Metro station apparently is no longer part of I-370, and it now has a trumpet interchange with the main freeway.

I am fairly sure the section from the end of MD-200 to the Shady Grove Metro Station is still part of I-370, even if it isn't signed as such.

Nope, it's unsigned MD 200A.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on December 04, 2017, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 04, 2017, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: cl94 on December 04, 2017, 12:33:31 AM
I hope there are pictures of those somewhere on the interwebs (the Summa files?). I need to see that.

I have never seen them unfortunately.

Couldn't find that but I did find the original signage at the current 495-270 split that is different from the signage in my 1960s gallery...

https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-WE597_ZIMMER_J_20171116174049.jpg

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2017, 06:43:35 AM
Quote from: tckma on December 04, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
I am fairly sure the section from the end of MD-200 to the Shady Grove Metro Station is still part of I-370, even if it isn't signed as such.

In Maryland, the State Highway Administration's Highway Location Reference is canon on such things.  It shows the former I-370 into the Metro station as MD-200A. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2017, 06:46:47 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 04, 2017, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 04, 2017, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: cl94 on December 04, 2017, 12:33:31 AM
I hope there are pictures of those somewhere on the interwebs (the Summa files?). I need to see that.

I have never seen them unfortunately.

Couldn't find that but I did find the original signage at the current 495-270 split that is different from the signage in my 1960s gallery...

https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-WE597_ZIMMER_J_20171116174049.jpg

These are pre-1964 signs (no buttoncopy, I recall these being seen at various places around the  state), when parts of the Capital Beltway was open to traffic, including at present-day I-270Y (I-270 Spur).

SRC replaced all of the signs on the  Maryland part of the Capital Beltway buttoncopy  signs at around the time that it was completed in 1964, maybe a year after that in some cases.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 05, 2017, 07:05:00 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2017, 06:46:47 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 04, 2017, 12:52:23 PM
Couldn't find that but I did find the original signage at the current 495-270 split that is different from the signage in my 1960s gallery...
https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-WE597_ZIMMER_J_20171116174049.jpg
These are pre-1964 signs (no buttoncopy, I recall these being seen at various places around the  state), when parts of the Capital Beltway was open to traffic, including at present-day I-270Y (I-270 Spur).
SRC replaced all of the signs on the  Maryland part of the Capital Beltway buttoncopy  signs at around the time that it was completed in 1964, maybe a year after that in some cases.

Those sign standard footers are from the past as well.  Hazardous fixed objects about 10 feet from the roadway, and not protected by guard rail.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2017, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 05, 2017, 07:05:00 AM
Those sign standard footers are from the past as well.  Hazardous fixed objects about 10 feet from the roadway, and not protected by guard rail.

Agreed.  And even when they were replaced with more "modern" structures for overhead signs, initially they did not have any barriers around them in Maryland (or, for that matter, on Virginia's part of the Capital Beltway).  The guardrails and other measures to prevent vehicles from crashing into the sign structures started showing up in the late-1960's or early 1970's.

Speaking of Virginia, I really loved the old-style BGS panel designs used by VDH on the Beltway (and other freeways around the Commonwealth too).  They were distinctive yet clear (including the 45° arrows with the long thin shaft).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on December 08, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
MD 355 (URBANA PIKE) BRIDGE OVER THE MONOCACY RIVER IS CLOSED AFTER BEING STRUCK
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3041

Check out the photo.  That one got serious damage. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 08, 2017, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: BrianP on December 08, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
MD 355 (URBANA PIKE) BRIDGE OVER THE MONOCACY RIVER IS CLOSED AFTER BEING STRUCK
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3041

Check out the photo.  That one got serious damage. 

Sure did.  I have heard the bridge may be closed for up to 60 days to repair the damaged structural steel.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 19, 2017, 08:42:32 PM
Baltimore Sun: Gov. Larry Hogan proposes $461 million to ease congestion on Baltimore Beltway (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-baltimore-transportation-20171219-story.html)

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan announced Tuesday that the state will spend $461 million to ease congestion on the northern rim of the Baltimore Beltway.

QuoteThe plan would convert 19 miles of the interior shoulders in both directions on Interstate 695 into new travel lanes between I-70 and Parkville, a move state officials said would cut about 15 minutes off rush hour delays that can stretch an hour or more.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 20, 2017, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 19, 2017, 08:42:32 PM
Baltimore Sun: Gov. Larry Hogan proposes $461 million to ease congestion on Baltimore Beltway (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-baltimore-transportation-20171219-story.html)

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan announced Tuesday that the state will spend $461 million to ease congestion on the northern rim of the Baltimore Beltway.

QuoteThe plan would convert 19 miles of the interior shoulders in both directions on Interstate 695 into new travel lanes between I-70 and Parkville, a move state officials said would cut about 15 minutes off rush hour delays that can stretch an hour or more.

The I-70 interchange redo is probably the highlight here.  I also don't mind the ETLs going up to Bel Air, since I normally exit at White Marsh Blvd and can't use the ETLs right now for access.  What they really need to do, however, is finish the Beltway interchange to allow access to/from the ETLs now that they will carry more traffic.

Of course, this means more speed cameras in the coming years and more cash for the state from them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on December 21, 2017, 07:29:02 AM
Traffic patterns will soon change on MD 213 through Centreville due to long term infrastructure work...

http://www.townofcentreville.org/liberty-street-commerce-street-construction-project/

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on December 20, 2017, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 19, 2017, 08:42:32 PM
Baltimore Sun: Gov. Larry Hogan proposes $461 million to ease congestion on Baltimore Beltway (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-baltimore-transportation-20171219-story.html)

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan announced Tuesday that the state will spend $461 million to ease congestion on the northern rim of the Baltimore Beltway.

QuoteThe plan would convert 19 miles of the interior shoulders in both directions on Interstate 695 into new travel lanes between I-70 and Parkville, a move state officials said would cut about 15 minutes off rush hour delays that can stretch an hour or more.

The I-70 interchange redo is probably the highlight here.  I also don't mind the ETLs going up to Bel Air, since I normally exit at White Marsh Blvd and can't use the ETLs right now for access.  What they really need to do, however, is finish the Beltway interchange to allow access to/from the ETLs now that they will carry more traffic.

Of course, this means more speed cameras in the coming years and more cash for the state from them.
Based on my experience driving through the Baltimore area, both the new travel lanes on the northern part of I-695 and the I-70/I-695 interchange rebuild will be extremely helpful. The I-95 express lanes extension? Not really warranted IMO and constructing a direct connection to I-695 probably would have been more helpful, but overall I don't mind the extension since the cost is only $210 million. However, that does bring me to some questions I have:
1. Is the ETL extension only for the northbound express lanes or for both directions? $210 million doesn't seem like enough to extend both directions of the ETLs for 7.75 miles.
2. Has a design been released yet for the I-695/I-70 interchange rebuild? It seems to be touted as a complete overall, but $100 million doesn't seem to be quite enough to effectively do that.
3. Will the inner shoulders on I-695 be replaced after they become travel lanes, or will I-695 just not have inside shoulders anymore?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2017, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on December 20, 2017, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 19, 2017, 08:42:32 PM
Baltimore Sun: Gov. Larry Hogan proposes $461 million to ease congestion on Baltimore Beltway (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-baltimore-transportation-20171219-story.html)

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan announced Tuesday that the state will spend $461 million to ease congestion on the northern rim of the Baltimore Beltway.

QuoteThe plan would convert 19 miles of the interior shoulders in both directions on Interstate 695 into new travel lanes between I-70 and Parkville, a move state officials said would cut about 15 minutes off rush hour delays that can stretch an hour or more.

The I-70 interchange redo is probably the highlight here.  I also don't mind the ETLs going up to Bel Air, since I normally exit at White Marsh Blvd and can't use the ETLs right now for access.  What they really need to do, however, is finish the Beltway interchange to allow access to/from the ETLs now that they will carry more traffic.

Of course, this means more speed cameras in the coming years and more cash for the state from them.
Based on my experience driving through the Baltimore area, both the new travel lanes on the northern part of I-695 and the I-70/I-695 interchange rebuild will be extremely helpful. The I-95 express lanes extension? Not really warranted IMO and constructing a direct connection to I-695 probably would have been more helpful, but overall I don't mind the extension since the cost is only $210 million. However, that does bring me to some questions I have:
1. Is the ETL extension only for the northbound express lanes or for both directions? $210 million doesn't seem like enough to extend both directions of the ETLs for 7.75 miles.

No, I think the intent is for MDTA to build four managed lanes (2 each  way). Keep in mind that several (but not all) of the bridges have already been rebuilt to allow for the Express Toll Lanes.  The bridge that carries Raphael Road over I-95 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4196082,-76.4052676,3a,75y,53.32h,88.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLnITcYVFYGD0hdXUKKAizg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) should not need any added work, but the structure that carries Bradshaw Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4276429,-76.3890643,3a,75y,35.77h,84.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm5EjDDHyAS7BVdfxL13ayw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) will probably need replacement.

Quote from: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
2. Has a design been released yet for the I-695/I-70 interchange rebuild? It seems to be touted as a complete overall, but $100 million doesn't seem to be quite enough to effectively do that.

I think they are working on preliminary  engineering now.  There is information in the draft 2018 MDOT CTP for Baltimore County (http://www.mdot.maryland.gov/newMDOT/Planning/CTP/CTP_18_23_Draft/Documents/SHA_Counties/Baltimore_County.pdf) that describes what they are planning there.  Here's a sample:

QuoteThe bridges are nearing the end of their useful life and will need to be widened to
accommodate the ultimate configuration of the beltway.

Quote from: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
3. Will the inner shoulders on I-695 be replaced after they become travel lanes, or will I-695 just not have inside shoulders anymore?

There are many sections of freeway in Maryland that do not have left shoulders, including parts of I-495 in Montgomery County and much of I-895 in Baltimore City.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2017, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on December 20, 2017, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 19, 2017, 08:42:32 PM
Baltimore Sun: Gov. Larry Hogan proposes $461 million to ease congestion on Baltimore Beltway (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-baltimore-transportation-20171219-story.html)

QuoteGov. Larry Hogan announced Tuesday that the state will spend $461 million to ease congestion on the northern rim of the Baltimore Beltway.

QuoteThe plan would convert 19 miles of the interior shoulders in both directions on Interstate 695 into new travel lanes between I-70 and Parkville, a move state officials said would cut about 15 minutes off rush hour delays that can stretch an hour or more.

The I-70 interchange redo is probably the highlight here.  I also don't mind the ETLs going up to Bel Air, since I normally exit at White Marsh Blvd and can't use the ETLs right now for access.  What they really need to do, however, is finish the Beltway interchange to allow access to/from the ETLs now that they will carry more traffic.

Of course, this means more speed cameras in the coming years and more cash for the state from them.
Based on my experience driving through the Baltimore area, both the new travel lanes on the northern part of I-695 and the I-70/I-695 interchange rebuild will be extremely helpful. The I-95 express lanes extension? Not really warranted IMO and constructing a direct connection to I-695 probably would have been more helpful, but overall I don't mind the extension since the cost is only $210 million. However, that does bring me to some questions I have:
1. Is the ETL extension only for the northbound express lanes or for both directions? $210 million doesn't seem like enough to extend both directions of the ETLs for 7.75 miles.

No, I think the intent is for MDTA to build four managed lanes (2 each  way). Keep in mind that several (but not all) of the bridges have already been rebuilt to allow for the Express Toll Lanes.  The bridge that carries Raphael Road over I-95 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4196082,-76.4052676,3a,75y,53.32h,88.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLnITcYVFYGD0hdXUKKAizg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) should not need any added work, but the structure that carries Bradshaw Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4276429,-76.3890643,3a,75y,35.77h,84.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm5EjDDHyAS7BVdfxL13ayw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) will probably need replacement.
Even considering the fact that a decent amount of the bridges from White Marsh to Bel-Air are wide enough for two extra lanes each way, I still don't see how $210 million is enough for almost eight miles. For comparison, the original construction of the ETLs cost about 1.1 billion for 5 miles(however the reconstruction of the I-895, I-695, and MD-43 interchange definitely contributed to this). Wouldn't be surprised if this project goes over budget.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2017, 08:41:17 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Even considering the fact that a decent amount of the bridges from White Marsh to Bel-Air are wide enough for two extra lanes each way, I still don't see how $210 million is enough for almost eight miles. For comparison, the original construction of the ETLs cost about 1.1 billion for 5 miles(however the reconstruction of the I-895, I-695, and MD-43 interchange definitely contributed to this). Wouldn't be surprised if this project goes over budget.

I cannot predict the future and I will not do so here. 

De-braiding the interchange at I-95 and I-695 and converting it to a modern stack interchange so the ETLs could be built was not cheap nor easy.  There is no similar obstruction in the way of the ETLs from MD-43 to MD-24.

However, consider that the biggest (in terms of dollars) project that has ever been built for the MDTA is MD-200, and that project came in under budget when everything was finished.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 21, 2017, 08:41:17 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on December 21, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Even considering the fact that a decent amount of the bridges from White Marsh to Bel-Air are wide enough for two extra lanes each way, I still don't see how $210 million is enough for almost eight miles. For comparison, the original construction of the ETLs cost about 1.1 billion for 5 miles(however the reconstruction of the I-895, I-695, and MD-43 interchange definitely contributed to this). Wouldn't be surprised if this project goes over budget.

I cannot predict the future and I will not do so here. 

De-braiding the interchange at I-95 and I-695 and converting it to a modern stack interchange so the ETLs could be built was not cheap nor easy.  There is no similar obstruction in the way of the ETLs from MD-43 to MD-24.

However, consider that the biggest (in terms of dollars) project that has ever been built for the MDTA is MD-200, and that project came in under budget when everything was finished.
^Good point. Either way, it will be interesting to see how much more traffic the ETLs carry once the extension is completed and whether or not it warrants a direct I-695 connection or a possible phase 3 extension even further north.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 22, 2017, 06:57:21 AM
I am firmly of the opinion that the ETL extension to MD 24 will drastically increase the traffic that those lanes carry; in my opinion, the existing lanes are too short to be useful as anything more than a bypass of the congestion at the Beltway. Extending the lanes up to MD 24 will significantly improve the traffic conditions going north at Exit 77, and it will allow the interchange to be comprehensively redesigned and made more regular. Extending the ETLs up to MD 543 would be even better, since the six lane segment of I-95 north of MD 24 also backs up regularly.

As for the I-70/I-695 interchange, anything will be better than what exists now. I will be slightly disappointed though if the interchange design doesn't have passive provision for any future extension of I-70 further into Baltimore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 07:54:29 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 22, 2017, 06:57:21 AM
As for the I-70/I-695 interchange, anything will be better than what exists now. I will be slightly disappointed though if the interchange design doesn't have passive provision for any future extension of I-70 further into Baltimore.

Are they considering a conventional 3-way semi-directional interchange like is seen with I-695 and I-795?

By the way, I see that I-695's widening in that area provided four lanes each way thruout, but the outer lane each way drops at the offramp to I-795, and then resumes after the onramp from I-795.  Just now verified on Google Maps aerial view.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
Disruptive project coming to the Baltimore Beltway between the MD-10 interchange and the  F.S. Key Bridge at the Curtis Creek Drawbridge (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B012'27.6%22N+76%C2%B034'50.1%22W/@39.207662,-76.5980955,3890m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89c8025c377f3a79:0x506ed6bd4780fe25!2sCurtis+Bay,+Baltimore,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.2208578!4d-76.5863882!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.2076619!4d-76.5805859) - One Lane Open Each Direction 24/7 Jan. to Nov. 2018.

This section of freeway is signed as I-695 but is still officially MD-695.   

MDTA press release: MAJOR SYSTEM PRESERVATION PROJECTS COMING TO I-695 & I-895 IN BALTIMORE (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/MDTA_News_Releases/major-system-preservation-projects-coming-to-i-695-i-895-in-baltimore)

QuoteCurtis Creek Drawbridge - One Lane Open Each Direction 24/7 Jan. to Nov. 2018

QuoteThe $20 million project to rehabilitate the structural, mechanical and electrical components of the Curtis Creek Drawbridge begins this month, with traffic impacts to I-695 starting in January 2018. Two-way traffic will operate 24/7 on this section of I-695. The MDTA will close the Inner Loop I-695 first and operate two-way traffic on the Outer Loop. Once complete, the Outer Loop will close and two-way traffic will operate on the Inner Loop. During this stage, the entrance ramp from northbound MD 10 to the Outer Loop will be closed 24/7. All lanes will be open in November 2018. Detours will be in place and motorists should prepare to use alternative routes. Cianbro Corporation is performing the work.

See the I-895 thread for the other project (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg2285959#msg2285959) (Canton Viaduct replacement) described in this press release.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
Disruptive project coming to the Baltimore Beltway between the MD-10 interchange and the  F.S. Key Bridge at the Curtis Creek Drawbridge (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B012'27.6%22N+76%C2%B034'50.1%22W/@39.207662,-76.5980955,3890m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89c8025c377f3a79:0x506ed6bd4780fe25!2sCurtis+Bay,+Baltimore,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.2208578!4d-76.5863882!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.2076619!4d-76.5805859) - One Lane Open Each Direction 24/7 Jan. to Nov. 2018.
This section of freeway is signed as I-695 but is still officially MD-695.   
MDTA press release: MAJOR SYSTEM PRESERVATION PROJECTS COMING TO I-695 & I-895 IN BALTIMORE (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/MDTA_News_Releases/major-system-preservation-projects-coming-to-i-695-i-895-in-baltimore)
QuoteCurtis Creek Drawbridge - One Lane Open Each Direction 24/7 Jan. to Nov. 2018

Both harbor crossings will 2-lane restrictions during construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 04:30:37 PM
So both harbor crossings will have a 2-lane restriction.

Though there's a third crossing that will have 6 or 8 lanes all the way across Baltimore City - the Fort McHenry Tunnel (I-95). The contractor is mobilized to widen the 6-lane section north of the toll plaza to 8 lanes right now - completion of the I-95 project is a prerequisite to the  contractor beginning work on the I-895 work.  The work at Curtis Creek on I-695 (really MD-695) probably is scheduled to complete before work starts on the I-895 project too.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 04:30:37 PM
So both harbor crossings will have a 2-lane restriction.
Though there's a third crossing that will have 6 or 8 lanes all the way across Baltimore City - the Fort McHenry Tunnel (I-95). The contractor is mobilized to widen the 6-lane section north of the toll plaza to 8 lanes right now - completion of the I-95 project is a prerequisite to the  contractor beginning work on the I-895 work.  The work at Curtis Creek on I-695 (really MD-695) probably is scheduled to complete before work starts on the I-895 project too.

Yes indeed there are 3 crossings, I was just pointing out that two of them are being reduced from 4 to 2 lanes on a segment that will be under construction.  That has a major traffic impact on all three harbor crossings.

The I-95 6-lane section north of the toll plaza is on viaduct, it has the lane-drops for the unbuilt I-83 ramps, that would take at least 2 years to widen that to 8 lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on December 24, 2017, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 07:54:29 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 22, 2017, 06:57:21 AM
As for the I-70/I-695 interchange, anything will be better than what exists now. I will be slightly disappointed though if the interchange design doesn't have passive provision for any future extension of I-70 further into Baltimore.

Are they considering a conventional 3-way semi-directional interchange like is seen with I-695 and I-795?

By the way, I see that I-695's widening in that area provided four lanes each way thruout, but the outer lane each way drops at the offramp to I-795, and then resumes after the onramp from I-795.  Just now verified on Google Maps aerial view.

I believe that the Beltway design around I-795 would be ideal for the entire Beltway, except the FSK Bridge.  Generally 4-4, but only 3 of the 4 lanes go through at interchanges with other freeways.  At the interchanges, there is briefly 5 lanes in each direction (at the merging in point, 2 lanes from the side freeway merge with 3 lanes of the Beltway to form 5 lanes and then the right lane immediately is foced to merge in to have 4 lanes again.)  This will make it easier for merging traffic to enter the Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on December 24, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Between which points does the MdTA have jurisdiction over I-95 and I-(MD)695 (besides the actual FMcHT and FSKB themselves)?  I assume the MdTA has authority over the length of I-895.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 04:30:37 PM
So both harbor crossings will have a 2-lane restriction.
Though there's a third crossing that will have 6 or 8 lanes all the way across Baltimore City - the Fort McHenry Tunnel (I-95). The contractor is mobilized to widen the 6-lane section north of the toll plaza to 8 lanes right now - completion of the I-95 project is a prerequisite to the  contractor beginning work on the I-895 work.  The work at Curtis Creek on I-695 (really MD-695) probably is scheduled to complete before work starts on the I-895 project too.

Yes indeed there are 3 crossings, I was just pointing out that two of them are being reduced from 4 to 2 lanes on a segment that will be under construction.  That has a major traffic impact on all three harbor crossings.

The I-95 6-lane section north of the toll plaza is on viaduct, it has the lane-drops for the unbuilt I-83 ramps, that would take at least 2 years to widen that to 8 lanes.

I just passed through this project, and not only are the construction of the inner lanes and shoulders on the viaduct quite advanced and mostly complete near the toll plaza, but the ramp stubs for the unbuilt I-83 interchange are still intact.

Quote from: ixnay on December 24, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Between which points does the MdTA have jurisdiction over I-95 and I-(MD)695 (besides the actual FMcHT and FSKB themselves)?  I assume the MdTA has authority over the length of I-895.

ixnay

The southern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins at the mainline crossover just east of the MD 2 overpass, where the ramps to and from MD 10 link with the Beltway. The northern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins just north of an overpass over a set of railroad tracks and a former railroad yard, just to the south of the wide median area where the outer Back River crossing was planned to link with the Patapsco Freeway. Both ends of the crossing are posted with signage stating "BEGIN/END SHA MAINTENANCE"  and "BEGIN/END MDTA MAINTENANCE" .
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 24, 2017, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
The I-95 6-lane section north of the toll plaza is on viaduct, it has the lane-drops for the unbuilt I-83 ramps, that would take at least 2 years to widen that to 8 lanes.
I just passed through this project, and not only are the construction of the inner lanes and shoulders on the viaduct quite advanced and mostly complete near the toll plaza, but the ramp stubs for the unbuilt I-83 interchange are still intact.

So how exactly is 4 lanes each way going to be provided on I-95 thru the unbuilt I-83 interchange?  I had figured that the stubs would be demolished and one lane and full shoulder each way would be added on the right, because that side is where the 4th lane currently drops.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on December 25, 2017, 08:16:42 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
The southern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins at the mainline crossover just east of the MD 2 overpass, where the ramps to and from MD 10 link with the Beltway. The northern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins just north of an overpass over a set of railroad tracks and a former railroad yard, just to the south of the wide median area where the outer Back River crossing was planned to link with the Patapsco Freeway. Both ends of the crossing are posted with signage stating "BEGIN/END SHA MAINTENANCE"  and "BEGIN/END MDTA MAINTENANCE" .

Are those the parameters of hidden MD 695 too, or are MD 695's parameters different?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 24, 2017, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
The I-95 6-lane section north of the toll plaza is on viaduct, it has the lane-drops for the unbuilt I-83 ramps, that would take at least 2 years to widen that to 8 lanes.
I just passed through this project, and not only are the construction of the inner lanes and shoulders on the viaduct quite advanced and mostly complete near the toll plaza, but the ramp stubs for the unbuilt I-83 interchange are still intact.

So how exactly is 4 lanes each way going to be provided on I-95 thru the unbuilt I-83 interchange?  I had figured that the stubs would be demolished and one lane and full shoulder each way would be added on the right, because that side is where the 4th lane currently drops.

That was what I expected too. It appears that the MDTA is building a substructure out from the primary load-bearing substructure of the viaduct and building the inner lane and new inner shoulder on top of that. It looks like the new sub structures will be linked together in some way so that the load is spread across both original load-bearing sub structures. It shouldn't be difficult to walk or drive underneath and observe the underside of the new construction.

Quote from: ixnay on December 25, 2017, 08:16:42 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
The southern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins at the mainline crossover just east of the MD 2 overpass, where the ramps to and from MD 10 link with the Beltway. The northern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins just north of an overpass over a set of railroad tracks and a former railroad yard, just to the south of the wide median area where the outer Back River crossing was planned to link with the Patapsco Freeway. Both ends of the crossing are posted with signage stating "BEGIN/END SHA MAINTENANCE"  and "BEGIN/END MDTA MAINTENANCE" .

Are those the parameters of hidden MD 695 too, or are MD 695's parameters different?

ixnay

MD 695 begins at the ramp gore of the I-695/I-97 interchange and ends at the midpoint of the northern I-95/I-695 interchange, between US 1 and MD 7. I've never seen a sign goof along this segment with a MD 695 shield shown.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 25, 2017, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 24, 2017, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 22, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
The I-95 6-lane section north of the toll plaza is on viaduct, it has the lane-drops for the unbuilt I-83 ramps, that would take at least 2 years to widen that to 8 lanes.
I just passed through this project, and not only are the construction of the inner lanes and shoulders on the viaduct quite advanced and mostly complete near the toll plaza, but the ramp stubs for the unbuilt I-83 interchange are still intact.
So how exactly is 4 lanes each way going to be provided on I-95 thru the unbuilt I-83 interchange?  I had figured that the stubs would be demolished and one lane and full shoulder each way would be added on the right, because that side is where the 4th lane currently drops.
That was what I expected too. It appears that the MDTA is building a substructure out from the primary load-bearing substructure of the viaduct and building the inner lane and new inner shoulder on top of that. It looks like the new sub structures will be linked together in some way so that the load is spread across both original load-bearing sub structures. It shouldn't be difficult to walk or drive underneath and observe the underside of the new construction.

I posed the question in two different threads, and the answer is here, in "I-895 (Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway)" --

Quote from: Beltway on December 25, 2017, 12:18:34 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 24, 2017, 11:57:26 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 24, 2017, 11:16:03 PM
What exactly are they doing, just restriping the existing roadways?  In the unbuilt I-83 interchange area, there is almost 2,000 feet of I-95 twin bridges with 3 lanes and 2 full shoulders on each, I just checked on Google Maps aerial view, and they don't look wide enough to restripe for 4 lanes and have even one full shoulder (presumably on the right).
http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/MDTA_News_Releases/i-95-improvement-project-to-add-capacity-north-of-the-tunnel
As best as I can tell, the work is mostly on the left (median) side.  Does not appear to be any (permanent) re-striping going on. Interestingly, the Google car was by there recently (October 2017) and here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.28052,-76.55074,3a,75y,352.85h,79.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sj15eN7uEd6bzmN_D_ULcNQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dj15eN7uEd6bzmN_D_ULcNQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D147.26117%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) is a good image of what Concrete General is doing.

Looks like they are decking in between the two bridges, which looks like on aerial view could give 4 more feet of bridge deck each way, which should allow for a full 10 foot shoulder on the right as well as four 12 foot lanes and maybe a 4-foot shoulder on the left.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on December 25, 2017, 06:01:20 PM
I would welcome the I-95 ETLs here in Harford County. My exit is 74, MD-152 and it would enhance my exiting experience.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
MD 695 begins at the ramp gore of the I-695/I-97 interchange and ends at the midpoint of the northern I-95/I-695 interchange, between US 1 and MD 7. I've never seen a sign goof along this segment with a MD 695 shield shown.

In the early days of the FSK (especially when both approach roads were Super-2 highways after it opened in 1977), there were MD-695 shields to be seen along the MDTA-maintained part of the road (all of the Super-2 segments were MDTA maintenance).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on December 25, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
The southern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins at the mainline crossover just east of the MD 2 overpass, where the ramps to and from MD 10 link with the Beltway. The northern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins just north of an overpass over a set of railroad tracks and a former railroad yard, just to the south of the wide median area where the outer Back River crossing was planned to link with the Patapsco Freeway. Both ends of the crossing are posted with signage stating "BEGIN/END SHA MAINTENANCE"  and "BEGIN/END MDTA MAINTENANCE" .

Those jurisdiction limits make sense. The SW jurisdiction change is just west of the Beltway's short foray into Baltimore City. Since SHA maintains nothing in Baltimore City, everything inside the City other than the bridge needs to be MDTA or city maintenance. SE change allows MDTA to maintain the Bear Creek viaduct.

Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
MD 695 begins at the ramp gore of the I-695/I-97 interchange and ends at the midpoint of the northern I-95/I-695 interchange, between US 1 and MD 7. I've never seen a sign goof along this segment with a MD 695 shield shown.

In the early days of the FSK (especially when both approach roads were Super-2 highways after it opened in 1977), there were MD-695 shields to be seen along the MDTA-maintained part of the road (all of the Super-2 segments were MDTA maintenance).

They didn't pull a Maine/Utah and just sign the super-2 as I-695? Of course, this begs the question of why MD 695 even exists anymore. Is the Curtis Creek bridge the only thing preventing the designation at this point?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 26, 2017, 12:58:23 AM
Quote from: cl94 on December 25, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 24, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
The southern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins at the mainline crossover just east of the MD 2 overpass, where the ramps to and from MD 10 link with the Beltway. The northern end of the Outer Harbor Crossing begins just north of an overpass over a set of railroad tracks and a former railroad yard, just to the south of the wide median area where the outer Back River crossing was planned to link with the Patapsco Freeway. Both ends of the crossing are posted with signage stating "BEGIN/END SHA MAINTENANCE"  and "BEGIN/END MDTA MAINTENANCE" .

Those jurisdiction limits make sense. The SW jurisdiction change is just west of the Beltway's short foray into Baltimore City. Since SHA maintains nothing in Baltimore City, everything inside the City other than the bridge needs to be MDTA or city maintenance. SE change allows MDTA to maintain the Bear Creek viaduct.

Though the southern/western end of state maintenance between MD-10 and MD-2 was motivated by another reason - that was the limit of construction for the FSK approach road (before the FSK opened, the old Baltimore Beltway came to an end at the MD-2 interchange), with most traffic leaving at MD-3 (I-97 today) the Glen Burnie Bypass; or at what is now signed as I-895B (to get to MD-2 southbound).

Quote from: cl94 on December 25, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
MD 695 begins at the ramp gore of the I-695/I-97 interchange and ends at the midpoint of the northern I-95/I-695 interchange, between US 1 and MD 7. I've never seen a sign goof along this segment with a MD 695 shield shown.

In the early days of the FSK (especially when both approach roads were Super-2 highways after it opened in 1977), there were MD-695 shields to be seen along the MDTA-maintained part of the road (all of the Super-2 segments were MDTA maintenance).

They didn't pull a Maine/Utah and just sign the super-2 as I-695? Of course, this begs the question of why MD 695 even exists anymore. Is the Curtis Creek bridge the only thing preventing the designation at this point?

No, I clearly recall the MD-695 signs (there's one online someplace taken around the west side of the FSK structure). 

As you probably know, I was on I-95 when it was a Super-2 in Maine north of Orono - I think the old four-lane divided freeway may have come to an end north of present-day Exit 197, ME-43, Old Town (based on markings that can be seen on Google).   The Super-2 part of I-95 is the only place in the U.S. where I have seen moose in the wild (I think they liked to graze on some of the plants that could be found along the right-of-way). Yes, all of I-95 in Maine that was complete at the time was signed as I-95. 

There was a missing section of I-95 then that was to run where present-day I-295 does - so as on southbound I-95 in New Jersey, the I-95 shields simply went away on the Maine Turnpike south of Gardiner, and reappeared as if by magic at Portland.  There was another missing part of I-95 at the Piscataqua River, so all I-95 traffic had to use Bypass U.S. 1 instead between New Hampshire and Maine.  That's probably enough about Maine in a Maryland thread. 

Regarding why  there is a MD-695 still, originally it was probably motivated by the Super-2 sections approaching the FSK.  But even now, I wonder if there might be some design issues with the section of MD-695 between the U.S. 40 (Pulaski Highway) interchange (Exit 35) and MD-151 near Sparrows Point (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.3322281,-76.4879586/39.2494087,-76.4555534/@39.2810569,-76.5478255,15543m/data=!3m1!1e3) (Exit 42).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 28, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
Design issues that come to mind for MD 695 are (from north to south):

- the lack of ramp braiding for the on ramps to and from US 40 and the MD 702 interchange, resulting in lots of weaving
- the use of one-lane exit ramps and flyovers to carry two-lane MD 695 through the MD 702 interchange
- the extremely tight (for an Interstate) curve where the interchange for the Windlass Freeway to I-95 and Moravia Road would be located
- the lack of shoulders on some of the mainline bridges in the MD 150 interchange
- the S curve at the south end of the Key Bridge (what's the degree of curvature here)?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 28, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
Design issues that come to mind for MD 695 are (from north to south):

- the lack of ramp braiding for the on ramps to and from US 40 and the MD 702 interchange, resulting in lots of weaving
- the use of one-lane exit ramps and flyovers to carry two-lane MD 695 through the MD 702 interchange
- the extremely tight (for an Interstate) curve where the interchange for the Windlass Freeway to I-95 and Moravia Road would be located
- the lack of shoulders on some of the mainline bridges in the MD 150 interchange

Agree with your points above - though I think the MD-695 ramps at MD-702 are all two lanes with no shoulders.

And from Google Maps, the interchange at MD-695 and MD-150 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B017'50.6%22N+76%C2%B030'10.0%22W/@39.297378,-76.5049567,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89c7ffca3ea68f9d:0x43092c9074ab7013!2sEdgemere,+MD+21219!3b1!8m2!3d39.2420525!4d-76.448016!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.2973777!4d-76.502768) looks like an ancient Maryland cloverleaf anyway, something that would not be approved for construction by MDOT/SHA or MDTA today.  The age of this can probably be determined from looking at the ages of the bridges here (both  appear to be stamped 1965), but  I do not feel like looking them up right now.

Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 28, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
- the S curve at the south end of the Key Bridge (what's the degree of curvature here)?

Aside from the lack of shoulders on the FSK, this does not seem all that bad.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 28, 2017, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 28, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
- the S curve at the south end of the Key Bridge (what's the degree of curvature here)?
Aside from the lack of shoulders on the FSK, this does not seem all that bad.

What is with the line painting on the Curtis Creek bridges?  They are painted with what looks like two 12-foot lanes and two 6-foot shoulders on each bridge.  Why not a 10-foot shoulder on the right and a 2-foot shoulder on the left?

https://tinyurl.com/ybmtwoe3
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 29, 2017, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 28, 2017, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 28, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
- the S curve at the south end of the Key Bridge (what's the degree of curvature here)?
Aside from the lack of shoulders on the FSK, this does not seem all that bad.

What is with the line painting on the Curtis Creek bridges?  They are painted with what looks like two 12-foot lanes and two 6-foot shoulders on each bridge.  Why not a 10-foot shoulder on the right and a 2-foot shoulder on the left?

https://tinyurl.com/ybmtwoe3

My guess is that this is a relic of when there was one structure here when this was a Super-2 (which is now the MD-695 Inner Loop (westbound) bridge today), and the  that was for some reason carried-over to the Outer Loop (eastbound) bridge when it was added.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on December 29, 2017, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 29, 2017, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 28, 2017, 11:13:38 PM
What is with the line painting on the Curtis Creek bridges?  They are painted with what looks like two 12-foot lanes and two 6-foot shoulders on each bridge.  Why not a 10-foot shoulder on the right and a 2-foot shoulder on the left?
https://tinyurl.com/ybmtwoe3
My guess is that this is a relic of when there was one structure here when this was a Super-2 (which is now the MD-695 Inner Loop (westbound) bridge today), and the  that was for some reason carried-over to the Outer Loop (eastbound) bridge when it was added.

That was my surmise as well.  It was appropriate when there was one 2-lane bridge.  But that deck was wide enough to repaint as I said above, as was the deck of the second bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 30, 2017, 09:06:26 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 28, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
Design issues that come to mind for MD 695 are (from north to south):

- the lack of ramp braiding for the on ramps to and from US 40 and the MD 702 interchange, resulting in lots of weaving
- the use of one-lane exit ramps and flyovers to carry two-lane MD 695 through the MD 702 interchange
- the extremely tight (for an Interstate) curve where the interchange for the Windlass Freeway to I-95 and Moravia Road would be located
- the lack of shoulders on some of the mainline bridges in the MD 150 interchange
- the S curve at the south end of the Key Bridge (what's the degree of curvature here)?

Add to that the ramp braiding between MD 7 and US 40.  I've had to come to a near stop to exit onto US 40 EB from the Inner Loop because of the poor design.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 09, 2018, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
MD 695 begins at the ramp gore of the I-695/I-97 interchange and ends at the midpoint of the northern I-95/I-695 interchange, between US 1 and MD 7. I've never seen a sign goof along this segment with a MD 695 shield shown.

In the early days of the FSK (especially when both approach roads were Super-2 highways after it opened in 1977), there were MD-695 shields to be seen along the MDTA-maintained part of the road (all of the Super-2 segments were MDTA maintenance).

Forum member "Beltway" has a photo of such on his website. I won't embed it here because I don't know how he feels about such things. Here's the page:

http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Balt_Outer_Harbor.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 11, 2018, 06:33:57 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 09, 2018, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 25, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
MD 695 begins at the ramp gore of the I-695/I-97 interchange and ends at the midpoint of the northern I-95/I-695 interchange, between US 1 and MD 7. I've never seen a sign goof along this segment with a MD 695 shield shown.

In the early days of the FSK (especially when both approach roads were Super-2 highways after it opened in 1977), there were MD-695 shields to be seen along the MDTA-maintained part of the road (all of the Super-2 segments were MDTA maintenance).

Forum member "Beltway" has a photo of such on his website. I won't embed it here because I don't know how he feels about such things. Here's the page:

http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Balt_Outer_Harbor.html

I don't perceive this as a sign goof. I'm thinking about things like construction signage, waypoint signage on connecting highways, and milepost signage.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 11, 2018, 07:27:38 AM
^^^^
I didn't mean to imply it was a goof. I was replying to cpzilliacus's comment about there formerly having been MD-695 shields in place.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 11, 2018, 07:58:36 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 11, 2018, 07:27:38 AM
^^^^
I didn't mean to imply it was a goof. I was replying to cpzilliacus's comment about there formerly having been MD-695 shields in place.

It did, the MD-695 signs were posted along the beltway route between MD-2 and MD-151.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on January 13, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
We're still waiting in Centreville, MD for the change in traffic patterns on MD 213, because of the brutal weather recently.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 13, 2018, 07:09:09 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 11, 2018, 07:58:36 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 11, 2018, 07:27:38 AM
^^^^
I didn't mean to imply it was a goof. I was replying to cpzilliacus's comment about there formerly having been MD-695 shields in place.

It did, the MD-695 signs were posted along the beltway route between MD-2 and MD-151.

Isn't that more or less what I said above–though, to be sure, with less detail than you've provided–when I linked to your site?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 15, 2018, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 25, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
Is the Curtis Creek bridge the only thing preventing the designation at this point?

Speaking of Curtis Creek, most of the work to divert all traffic in both directions onto the  Outer Loop (normally eastbound traffic only).  The eastbound side is now one lane wide, westbound was (as of the other day) still on the normally  Inner Loop (westbound) side of the freeway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 15, 2018, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 25, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
Is the Curtis Creek bridge the only thing preventing the designation at this point?

Speaking of Curtis Creek, most of the work to divert all traffic in both directions onto the  Outer Loop (normally eastbound traffic only).  The eastbound side is now one lane wide, westbound was (as of the other day) still on the normally  Inner Loop (westbound) side of the freeway.

Yeah, they were getting ready to start contraflow over there when I was through on Thursday. VMSes indicated that it would start today or tomorrow. EB went to one lane around MD 10 and it was backed up past I-97. Thankfully, I was going WB.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 16, 2018, 12:42:40 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 10:51:56 PM
Yeah, they were getting ready to start contraflow over there when I was through on Thursday. VMSes indicated that it would start today or tomorrow. EB went to one lane around MD 10 and it was backed up past I-97. Thankfully, I was going WB.

Traditionally, the FSK Bridge and its MD-695 approaches have not ever been subject to much recurring congestion, because most movements through the  Baltimore region are on I-95 (or alternatively I-895), with some being I-70 to I-95; I-70 to I-83 (toward York, Pennsylvania); I-97 to I-95 or I-95 to I-83 (all movements from south to north or west to east or west to north).  For none of these movements is MD-695 an especially attractive route, with the notable exception of trucks hauling placarded loads (no HAZMATs through  the tunnels on I-95 and I-895) and trucks that are too high  for I-895 (maximum height there is 13' 6") or too wide (maximum width is 96").

If the  congestion you observed was in the afternoon, then that may be people trying to get home to more-affordable housing on the east side of the Baltimore region to communities like Dundalk, Edgemere, Middle River and so forth. After everyone gets used to this project, I  presume that some may be taking  I-95 or I-895 instead (presumably they will return to MD-695 when the bridge project at Curtis Creek (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/Capital_Projects/I-695_Curtis_Creek_Drawbridge_Preservation_Project.html) is complete and the long-term single-lane project on I-895 gets under way).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on January 16, 2018, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 25, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
Is the Curtis Creek bridge the only thing preventing the designation at this point?

New York State is notorious for this kind of thing, btw... see I-787/NY-787, I-878/NY-878, I-390/NY-390, to name the first few that come to my mind.  I believe a portion of the LIE may have even been signed as NY-495 -- I seem to remember seeing some NY-495 reassurance markers in Queens when I was younger than 10 (but I thought some of the LIE was once signed as NY-24, which would explain the break in NY-24 at the Suffolk County line and the resumption in the route near Riverhead).  Anyway, I digress.

Perhaps this is nit-picky, BUT terescoj's clinched highways logger ( http://tm.teresco.org ) seemingly makes no distinction between MD I-695 and MD MD695 (to speak in the code of the .list files required for clinched highway tracking).  Also, I've never seen an MD-695 shield posted, but that doesn't mean they don't or didn't exist.  I'd argue that the ramps at the "Oops, we can't build I-695 this way anymore because the residents are protesting highway construction" area at MD-702 would be enough to prevent the Interstate highway designation unless a waiver has been granted a la the portion of I-93 in New Hampshire running through Franconia Notch (the former site of the Old Man of the Mountain).  I moved out of New Hampshire and even out of New England before that waiver was granted -- I remember when I lived in NH in 2001-2002, this section was clearly signed "to I-93" with a separate set of exit numbers -- so all they needed to do was take down the "TO" banners and perhaps re-number the exits.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 19, 2018, 09:20:56 AM
A state senator from PG County introduced a bill that would mandate 70-mph speed limits on the Beltway and I-270. The amusing part? It's Senate Bill 55.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2018/01/hit-the-gas-md-lawmaker-wants-to-up-speed-limits-on-i-495-i-270/

I cannot imagine this will even clear committee, much less pass the general assembly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 19, 2018, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 19, 2018, 09:20:56 AM
A state senator from PG County introduced a bill that would mandate 70-mph speed limits on the Beltway and I-270. The amusing part? It's Senate Bill 55.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2018/01/hit-the-gas-md-lawmaker-wants-to-up-speed-limits-on-i-495-i-270/

I cannot imagine this will even clear committee, much less pass the general assembly.

MDOT/SHA and MDTA do not especially appreciate being told what speed limits to set and where by the General Assembly.

But - IMO - the 55 MPH  limit on much of the Maryland part of the Capital Beltway is a relic of the NMSL (1973), and the limits should be set at something that is closer to the observed 85th percentile speed.

Not so long ago, I deliberately drove 55 MPH for about 25 miles (in the right or right/center lanes) on this freeway.  I passed nearly zero cars or trucks and was passed by everyone else.  Consider that posted speed limits  here were between 60 MPH and 70 MPH from 1964 to 1973, when the NMSL was imposed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 19, 2018, 08:17:23 PM
Oh, I agree that 55 is absurdly low and that you're a hazard if you drive that slowly. But I can't imagine that bill will ever pass.

I try to keep it to 65 on the Beltway in Maryland and even that's pretty slow, especially in PG County between Route 50 and the Wilson Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mcmc on January 20, 2018, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 19, 2018, 04:59:41 PM
But - IMO - the 55 MPH  limit on much of the Maryland part of the Capital Beltway is a relic of the NMSL (1973), and the limits should be set at something that is closer to the observed 85th percentile speed.

The Beltway is hardly unique. So much of Maryland's freeway mileage is posted at 55. If it's not an Interstate, it's almost certainly posted at 55. These speeds are ridiculous on MD 32, MD 100, US 29, etc., etc. Why is the SHA so hung up on 55 MPH?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on January 20, 2018, 06:20:11 PM
Aside from a 60 mph zone in MD and the occasional 70 mph zone in MD, PA, and NH, the northeast, with the exception of Maine, has really never left NMSL.  Aside from the above, the only indications that can be found in the entire region that NMSL was ever repealed are 65 mph limits on some non-interstate freeways.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on January 20, 2018, 08:00:52 PM
If the Pennsylvania Turnpike can be 70, almost any rural or suburban expressway can be at least 70, and many in the northeast could be at least 75 given some safety improvements (I-78, Northeast Extension south of Lehigh Tunnel, PA Turnpike Blue Mountain-Gettysburg and Great Valley-Bensalem, most of the NJ Turnpike, etc.).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on January 20, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on January 20, 2018, 06:20:11 PM
Aside from a 60 mph zone in MD and the occasional 70 mph zone in MD, PA, and NH, the northeast, with the exception of Maine, has really never left NMSL.  Aside from the above, the only indications that can be found in the entire region that NMSL was ever repealed are 65 mph limits on some non-interstate freeways.
What is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65

Z981

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65

55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65

55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.
Seems very Maryland-ish.  In Florida a similar road would be 65 MPH

Z981

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65

55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.
Seems very Maryland-ish.  In Florida a similar road would be 65 MPH

Hardly unusual. There are a lot of suburban Interstate segments in Maryland and Virginia that are posted at 55 mph that Florida would likely post at 70. I also recall a segment of FL-16 between I-95 and the St. John's River that was posted at 60 mph. It's a two-lane road, so there would be zero possibility of a 60-mph speed limit on it if it were up here. (I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 21, 2018, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65

55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.
Seems very Maryland-ish.  In Florida a similar road would be 65 MPH

Hardly unusual. There are a lot of suburban Interstate segments in Maryland and Virginia that are posted at 55 mph that Florida would likely post at 70. I also recall a segment of FL-16 between I-95 and the St. John's River that was posted at 60 mph. It's a two-lane road, so there would be zero possibility of a 60-mph speed limit on it if it were up here. (I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)

I-81 is 60 from I-70 to the north side of Hagerstown.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:48:49 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 21, 2018, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65

55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.
Seems very Maryland-ish.  In Florida a similar road would be 65 MPH

Hardly unusual. There are a lot of suburban Interstate segments in Maryland and Virginia that are posted at 55 mph that Florida would likely post at 70. I also recall a segment of FL-16 between I-95 and the St. John's River that was posted at 60 mph. It's a two-lane road, so there would be zero possibility of a 60-mph speed limit on it if it were up here. (I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)

I-81 is 60 from I-70 to the north side of Hagerstown.

Thanks. I have not been on that segment since 2006, as far as I can recall, so no surprise I was unaware of it!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65

55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.
Seems very Maryland-ish.  In Florida a similar road would be 65 MPH

Hardly unusual. There are a lot of suburban Interstate segments in Maryland and Virginia that are posted at 55 mph that Florida would likely post at 70. I also recall a segment of FL-16 between I-95 and the St. John's River that was posted at 60 mph. It's a two-lane road, so there would be zero possibility of a 60-mph speed limit on it if it were up here. (I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)
60mph on rural 2 lane state highways is pretty common in FL.  Maryland held on to 55 For a long time. "Still! 55"

Z981

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
60mph on rural 2 lane state highways is pretty common in FL.  Maryland held on to 55 For a long time. "Still! 55"

In the early 1990s, one major reason for that was that Gov. Schaefer refused to consider any bill that would raise it above 55 anywhere. cpzilliacus could probably confirm for sure, but I seem to recall they allowed 65-mph limits pretty darn promptly after Schaefer left office and was succeeded by Gov. Glendening, this a short time after the end of the NMSL.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65
55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.

US-301 north of the US-50/US-301 split is an expressway (limited access right-of-way). 

It was 60 mph before 1973.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on January 21, 2018, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65
55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.

US-301 north of the US-50/US-301 split is an expressway (limited access right-of-way). 

It was 60 mph before 1973.

It has a straight across at grade intersection here (at MD 299 in Cecil County among others), a J-turn there (2 of them are at MD 300 and MD 305), and several grade separated junctions (both junctions with MD 290, MD 291, MD 213, MD 304 [that last one was recently completed, replacing a j-turn that in turn replaced an at grade straight across intersection]).  OTOH the junction with Rolling Bridge Rd., previously at grade straight across, has been recently redone to prevent left turns and U-turns.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 21, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: ixnay on January 21, 2018, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65
55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.

US-301 north of the US-50/US-301 split is an expressway (limited access right-of-way). 

It was 60 mph before 1973.

It has a straight across at grade intersection here (at MD 299 in Cecil County among others), a J-turn there (2 of them are at MD 300 and MD 305), and several grade separated junctions (both junctions with MD 290, MD 291, MD 213, MD 304 [that last one was recently completed, replacing a j-turn that in turn replaced an at grade straight across intersection]).  OTOH the junction with Rolling Bridge Rd., previously at grade straight across, has been recently redone to prevent left turns and U-turns.

ixnay
Expressway / limited access means no driveways or private connections. Streets can still intersect at-grade.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 21, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: ixnay on January 21, 2018, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65
55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.
US-301 north of the US-50/US-301 split is an expressway (limited access right-of-way). 
It was 60 mph before 1973.
It has a straight across at grade intersection here (at MD 299 in Cecil County among others), a J-turn there (2 of them are at MD 300 and MD 305), and several grade separated junctions (both junctions with MD 290, MD 291, MD 213, MD 304 [that last one was recently completed, replacing a j-turn that in turn replaced an at grade straight across intersection]).  OTOH the junction with Rolling Bridge Rd., previously at grade straight across, has been recently redone to prevent left turns and U-turns.
ixnay
Expressway / limited access means no driveways or private connections. Streets can still intersect at-grade.

Right, it has no driveways or field entrances, AFAIK.

The term "at-grade expressway" is a descriptive term, but I couldn't use that because while this highway does have many at-grade intersections with public roads, it also has 5 interchanges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 21, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: jwolferWhat is the speed limit on 301 on the Eastern Shore?  Should be 65
55.  Because surface intersections.  Maryland does not sign anything with intersections higher than 55.

US-301 north of the US-50/US-301 split is an expressway (limited access right-of-way). 

It was 60 mph before 1973.

Heh. If you look at my age, you will see why I don't remember that. I moved to Virginia in 1974, but I don't remember that move either.  :-D
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 21, 2018, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 09:22:09 PM
Heh. If you look at my age, you will see why I don't remember that. I moved to Virginia in 1974, but I don't remember that move either.  :-D
I moved to New Jersey in 1983 :-D
Semi-OT: Just drove MA 2 yesterday, from US 202 eastward. That brought me through the part west of Leominster where there are a few at-grade intersections and driveways. Sequential exit numbers ignored the at-grades, even the one signal. Found that interesting compared to Saw Mill (River) Pkwy. where each signal gets an exit number. (Back to US 301, which has no exit numbers. NCUTCD's latest reasoning on exit numbers was that they should be limited to cases with multiple interchanges in a row, not isolated interchanges broken by at-grades. This is not in the MUTCD but it could be added at some point given some states that number every interchange regardless of context.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 21, 2018, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 09:22:09 PM
Heh. If you look at my age, you will see why I don't remember that. I moved to Virginia in 1974, but I don't remember that move either.  :-D
I moved to New Jersey in 1983 :-D
Semi-OT: Just drove MA 2 yesterday, from US 202 eastward. That brought me through the part west of Leominster where there are a few at-grade intersections and driveways. Sequential exit numbers ignored the at-grades, even the one signal. Found that interesting compared to Saw Mill (River) Pkwy. where each signal gets an exit number. (Back to US 301, which has no exit numbers. NCUTCD's latest reasoning on exit numbers was that they should be limited to cases with multiple interchanges in a row, not isolated interchanges broken by at-grades. This is not in the MUTCD but it could be added at some point given some states that number every interchange regardless of context.)

Plenty of people on these forums weren't born or weren't old enough to remember something in 1973.  That is why folks like me give eyeball testimony to these things. :-)

My earliest highway memory was family members pointing out the Chicago Skyway, that was while we still lived there, we moved to Florida in 1959.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 21, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 21, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
Expressway / limited access means no driveways or private connections. Streets can still intersect at-grade.

So, is there a separate term for a four lane, divided highway that does have private driveways/connections?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 21, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 21, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
Expressway / limited access means no driveways or private connections. Streets can still intersect at-grade.
So, is there a separate term for a four lane, divided highway that does have private driveways/connections?

Nonlimited-access four lane divided highway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 21, 2018, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 21, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 21, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
Expressway / limited access means no driveways or private connections. Streets can still intersect at-grade.
So, is there a separate term for a four lane, divided highway that does have private driveways/connections?
Nonlimited-access four lane divided highway.

Well that's quite a mouthful. :)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 21, 2018, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 21, 2018, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 21, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 21, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
Expressway / limited access means no driveways or private connections. Streets can still intersect at-grade.
So, is there a separate term for a four lane, divided highway that does have private driveways/connections?
Nonlimited-access four lane divided highway.
Well that's quite a mouthful. :)

"Nonlimited-access highway" would apply to any highway that is not limited access.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 22, 2018, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
60mph on rural 2 lane state highways is pretty common in FL.  Maryland held on to 55 For a long time. "Still! 55"

In the early 1990s, one major reason for that was that Gov. Schaefer refused to consider any bill that would raise it above 55 anywhere. cpzilliacus could probably confirm for sure, but I seem to recall they allowed 65-mph limits pretty darn promptly after Schaefer left office and was succeeded by Gov. Glendening, this a short time after the end of the NMSL.

Glendening did indeed go along with an  increase to 65 MPH during his two terms in office (I do not recall what year it was).   For quite a while, only freeways in rural areas (as defined by Census and FHWA) were granted the higher limit (I-270 is only 65 north of Clarksburg for that reason still), and after Congress ceded speed limit controls to the states, the "between the Beltways" part of I-95 was increased to 65. 

Thus far, the Capital Beltway in both Maryland counties and most of I-270 in Montgomery County are signed 55, which is almost universally ignored. 

I can understand why Glendening would have been unwilling to offend his Green  friends in Montgomery County with a speed limit increase, but Hogan is not constrained by that, as he is widely disliked by the Greens.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 22, 2018, 12:16:05 PM
According to this article– https://object.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa346.pdf (scroll down to page 12)–Maryland raised its speed limits to allow 65 mph in July 1996 and, as you note, basically complied with the revised 1987 version of the NMSL, at least initially. Glendening was governor from January 1995 to January 2003, but of course the NMSL repeal wasn't effective until 8 December 1995. My recollection was that Maryland passed the bill allowing 65-mph limits in 1995 because Maryland was one of the last two states (New York was the other) to allow 65-mph limits prior to the NMSL's repeal, and a Google search for "Parris Glendening" and "speed limit" turned up a reference saying the bill had been enacted at least by August 1995. Maybe the "July 1996" reference relates to when I-95 "between the Beltways" first got a 65-mph limit, since obviously that could not have happened until after the NMSL's demise. I did not read the article in intense detail, but I kind of construed its references to "speed limit increases" as meaning "increases beyond what the NMSL allowed" because that was the whole point of what they were addressing.

Some research indicates the General Assembly did pass a 65-mph bill in 1991, but Schaefer vetoed it. It would have applied only to the following roads:  I-95 north of Route 24 in Harford County to the state line, I-83 north of Hunt Valley to the state line, I-70 west of Bethany Lane in Howard County to Hancock, I-270 from Gaithersburg to Frederick, I-68 excluding Cumberland, US-50 from Bowie to Annapolis, and I-97 south of the Route 3 Business exit in Glen Burnie.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
(I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)

The entire length of I-795.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
Maryland held on to 55 For a long time. "Still! 55"


You sure that wasn't Pennsylvania?  The first year or so I was in college (when I drove from Long Island to Ithaca, NY using I-80 to I-380 to I-81 to NY-79), I remember a metric crapton of signage posted on PA interstates saying "Pennsylvania's Speed Limit is STILL 55 MPH!!!" with lots of exclamation points and STILL 55 MPH being huge compared to the other text.  This would have been around 1996-1998.  Not saying Maryland didn't do the same, but say "STILL 55!" and I instantly think PA.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on January 23, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
Definitely remember the 55 mph signs with STILL! banners in MD.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cl94 on January 23, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
Quote from: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
(I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)

The entire length of I-795.

I-195 as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 23, 2018, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 23, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
Definitely remember the 55 mph signs with STILL! banners in MD.

Me too. I recall they had those on the Beltway right after you crossed the Legion Bridge from Virginia. I thought that was odd during the NMSL days because they couldn't have posted 65 on that road regardless of whether they had allowed it elsewhere around the state.




Quote from: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
(I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)

The entire length of I-795.

Thanks. That is the one Maryland Interstate I have never travelled (it, I-70 inside the Baltimore Beltway, and a piece of the I-895 spur are keeping me from clinching 100% of Maryland's Interstates).




Quote from: cl94 on January 23, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
Quote from: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
(I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the only 60-mph limit in Maryland is on the Intercounty Connector.)

The entire length of I-795.

I-195 as well.

Thanks. Have not been to BWI in several years, so I didn't know that. Obviously, they have a few more 60-mph zones than I knew about, but it sounds like it's still on a much smaller scale than in some other states.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on January 23, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
Maryland held on to 55 For a long time. "Still! 55"


You sure that wasn't Pennsylvania?  The first year or so I was in college (when I drove from Long Island to Ithaca, NY using I-80 to I-380 to I-81 to NY-79), I remember a metric crapton of signage posted on PA interstates saying "Pennsylvania's Speed Limit is STILL 55 MPH!!!" with lots of exclamation points and STILL 55 MPH being huge compared to the other text.  This would have been around 1996-1998.  Not saying Maryland didn't do the same, but say "STILL 55!" and I instantly think PA.
I couldn't find a photo of such on line; but PA's sign read (typically placed within 5 miles from its borders):

   PENNSYLVANIA'S
   MAXIMUM SPEED
LIMIT STILL 55 M.P.H.


The STILL text was boxed in yellow.

These signs were taken down circa 1996 when PA initially raised its maximum speed limits on rural Interstates to 65.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on January 23, 2018, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
Maryland held on to 55 For a long time. "Still! 55"


You sure that wasn't Pennsylvania?  The first year or so I was in college (when I drove from Long Island to Ithaca, NY using I-80 to I-380 to I-81 to NY-79), I remember a metric crapton of signage posted on PA interstates saying "Pennsylvania's Speed Limit is STILL 55 MPH!!!" with lots of exclamation points and STILL 55 MPH being huge compared to the other text.  This would have been around 1996-1998.  Not saying Maryland didn't do the same, but say "STILL 55!" and I instantly think PA.

I vividly remember seeing "STILL!" Speed Limit 55 signs on I-495 in Montgomery County back in the early to mid 1990's.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 23, 2018, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on January 23, 2018, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: tckma on January 23, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 21, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
Maryland held on to 55 For a long time. "Still! 55"



You sure that wasn't Pennsylvania?  The first year or so I was in college (when I drove from Long Island to Ithaca, NY using I-80 to I-380 to I-81 to NY-79), I remember a metric crapton of signage posted on PA interstates saying "Pennsylvania's Speed Limit is STILL 55 MPH!!!" with lots of exclamation points and STILL 55 MPH being huge compared to the other text.  This would have been around 1996-1998.  Not saying Maryland didn't do the same, but say "STILL 55!" and I instantly think PA.

I vividly remember seeing "STILL!" Speed Limit 55 signs on I-495 in Montgomery County back in the early to mid 1990's.
And I-270 coming off of I-70
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 24, 2018, 09:53:24 AM
Clara Barton Parkway/Canal Road are closed this morning between the Glen Echo Turnaround and Chain Bridge for emergency road repairs. Adam Tuss shows us what the issue was:

http://twitter.com/AdamTuss/status/956175540729405440
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 27, 2018, 11:55:50 AM
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=HA8882212

This project page for the upgrade of the Bel Air bypass raised a few questions:

1. "Sidewalks will be included where appropriate."  Does this mean that the upgraded US 1 mainline will have sidewalks from MD 147 up to MD 924? That seems odd, given the other statement on the project page that the shoulders will be designed to accomodate bicycles.
2. The page states that US 1 will be a divided highway. Since US 1 between MD 24 is already divided with a guard rail, does this indicate that separate carriageways will be built for US 1 in both directions between MD 24 and MD 924? The plans are very low-res and they appear to show separate carriageways, but I know that MDOT SHA likes to build new divided highways with very narrow medians to reduce right of way disturbance.
3. The interchange diagram shows the new northbound US 1 lanes joining the exising MD 24 ramp in almost exactly the same spot as the existing pavement stub. What was this stub originally going to be used for?
4. Are any soundwalls likely to be built along the segment north of MD 924?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 27, 2018, 05:39:29 PM
1. Bikes aren't really supposed to be in sidewalks. And would that stretch be appropriate for sidewalks?

2. A divided highway means a separation between the two directions. Doesn't matter if it's 100 feet or 1 foot.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2018, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 27, 2018, 05:39:29 PM
1. Bikes aren't really supposed to be in sidewalks. And would that stretch be appropriate for sidewalks?

2. A divided highway means a separation between the two directions. Doesn't matter if it's 100 feet or 1 foot.
A divided highway means a physical separation, i.e. something preventing you from crossing. Practical minimum is 2 feet for a barrier, but I've seen narrower curbs on old roads.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 28, 2018, 08:43:43 AM
Quote1. "Sidewalks will be included where appropriate."  Does this mean that the upgraded US 1 mainline will have sidewalks from MD 147 up to MD 924? That seems odd, given the other statement on the project page that the shoulders will be designed to accomodate bicycles.

No.  The proposed sidewalks would be along MD 924/MD 24 North, with tie-in and revisions to the park-and-ride lot within the 1/24/924 interchange.

Quote2. The page states that US 1 will be a divided highway. Since US 1 between MD 24 is already divided with a guard rail, does this indicate that separate carriageways will be built for US 1 in both directions between MD 24 and MD 924? The plans are very low-res and they appear to show separate carriageways, but I know that MDOT SHA likes to build new divided highways with very narrow medians to reduce right of way disturbance.

The FONSI document which is available if you dig deep enough into the project page shows the existing roadway becoming the southbound lanes with a new roadway being built for the northbound lanes.  This makes sense given the existing road between the two 24 interchanges is a narrow 4-lane roadway and the upgrade plans call for 6 lanes between the two interchanges.

Quote3. The interchange diagram shows the new northbound US 1 lanes joining the exising MD 24 ramp in almost exactly the same spot as the existing pavement stub. What was this stub originally going to be used for?

Those stubs (another one exists at the ramp from NB 1 to SB 24) were always intended for the northbound US 1 lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 28, 2018, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: froggie on January 28, 2018, 08:43:43 AM
Quote1. "Sidewalks will be included where appropriate."  Does this mean that the upgraded US 1 mainline will have sidewalks from MD 147 up to MD 924? That seems odd, given the other statement on the project page that the shoulders will be designed to accomodate bicycles.

No.  The proposed sidewalks would be along MD 924/MD 24 North, with tie-in and revisions to the park-and-ride lot within the 1/24/924 interchange.

That's what I expected - it seemed very odd to me that any highway of this type would have sidewalks.

Quote
Quote2. The page states that US 1 will be a divided highway. Since US 1 between MD 24 is already divided with a guard rail, does this indicate that separate carriageways will be built for US 1 in both directions between MD 24 and MD 924? The plans are very low-res and they appear to show separate carriageways, but I know that MDOT SHA likes to build new divided highways with very narrow medians to reduce right of way disturbance.

The FONSI document which is available if you dig deep enough into the project page shows the existing roadway becoming the southbound lanes with a new roadway being built for the northbound lanes.  This makes sense given the existing road between the two 24 interchanges is a narrow 4-lane roadway and the upgrade plans call for 6 lanes between the two interchanges.

To be honest, I hadn't yet tried to dig through the FONSI, so I hadn't seen that yet. I had assumed that the use of the phrase "FONSI"  implied construction other than what you've described.

Quote
Quote3. The interchange diagram shows the new northbound US 1 lanes joining the exising MD 24 ramp in almost exactly the same spot as the existing pavement stub. What was this stub originally going to be used for?

Those stubs (another one exists at the ramp from NB 1 to SB 24) were always intended for the northbound US 1 lanes.

Interesting! I wonder what the original interchange design was; it's apparent from the plan that the trumpet may be in a much different spot than the original intended interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on January 29, 2018, 01:46:35 PM
Why weren't the stubs used? Too cheap to build the necessary bridge at the time?

I'd imagine the original plan would've been a directional T.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: yakra on February 04, 2018, 04:33:59 AM
I was imagining something like http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.097361&lon=-71.265306&zoom=17
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on February 09, 2018, 07:46:56 AM
Looks like the change of traffic patterns on MD 213 through Centreville will take place right after Presidents' Day...

http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/qa/spotlight/centreville-infrastructure-project-to-begin-mid-february/article_7c327c27-4301-521f-a09b-da1cc43adce0.html

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on February 25, 2018, 09:33:22 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 09, 2018, 07:46:56 AM
Looks like the change of traffic patterns on MD 213 through Centreville will take place right after Presidents' Day...

http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/qa/spotlight/centreville-infrastructure-project-to-begin-mid-february/article_7c327c27-4301-521f-a09b-da1cc43adce0.html

ixnay

It took place two days afterwards...

http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/kent_county_news/spotlight/centreville-infrastructure-project-begins/article_908c7bd6-e344-5db6-b0a5-224c67a0aacc.html

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on February 27, 2018, 09:49:44 PM
Here is an article and a PDF regarding last night's public information meeting about the upcoming Northbound I-95 express lanes extension:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aegis/ph-ag-i95-express-lanes-forum-20180227-story.html
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/4390118/Express-toll-lane-extension-presentation.pdf

Quote
Most of the work on $210 million project will encompass a 7.5-mile stretch between the White Marsh Boulevard (Route 43) and Mountain Road (Route 152) interchanges, with construction expected to begin in early 2019 and be completed in late 2022, according to MDTA. Funding will be provided from tolls collected by MDTA, which operates the state's bridges, tunnels and other toll facilities, Sales said.

The project consists of extending one express toll lane north from the terminus at White Marsh Boulevard to just across the Little Gunpowder Falls which forms Baltimore and Harford counties border. The express lane will be built on the inside, or to the left, of the existing four travel lanes.

From the latter point, a fifth "auxiliary"  northbound travel lane will be added on the outside, or to the the right side, of the existing four lanes to the south exit ramp for Route 152, according to MDTA. Motorists would not pay a toll on any of those lanes.

Another similar auxiliary lane will be constructed from the entrance ramp of the Route 152 interchange to the exit ramp for Route 24 in Abingdon; there would be no toll on those lanes, either.

Sales said current traffic loads determined the need for extending the toll lane northbound only at this time, but southbound extensions could be considered in the future. He said there would be an additional toll for motorists using the extended express lane, but how much "hasn't been determined."

The first lane work will occur on the Route 152-Route 24 portion starting in March 2019 with estimated completion in June 2021. The express lane extension and the auxiliary lane between Little Gunpowder Falls and Route 152 will be built between July 2020 and December 2022, according to the MDTA schedule.

There are no plans for changing the existing configurations of the Route 152 and Route 24 interchanges; however, the existing overpasses at Bradshaw Road in Baltimore County and Old Joppa Road in Harford County will be replaced with longer, but not wider, spans to accommodate the additional lanes with this project and possible future lane additions, an SHA representative said.

The two overpasses will be closed to traffic during the replacement construction covering a period of January 2019 to July 2020 for the Bradshaw span and May 2019 to September 2020 for the Old Joppa span

Now that it's clear this project is just the first phase of an eventual plan for two express lanes in each direction, the $210 million price tag makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AlexandriaVA on February 27, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
Larry knows his constituencies, I'll give him that much credit...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 28, 2018, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on February 27, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
Larry knows his constituencies, I'll give him that much credit...

You did see this from the Baltimore Sun article posted above, right?

Funding will be provided from tolls collected by MDTA, which operates the state's bridges, tunnels and other toll facilities, Sales said.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 28, 2018, 02:30:31 PM
^ I think his point is that MDTA is a state agency run by Hogan and his underlings, and the governor certainly has influence on the projects that MDTA pursues.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 28, 2018, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 28, 2018, 02:30:31 PM
^ I think his point is that MDTA is a state agency run by Hogan and his underlings, and the governor certainly has influence on the projects that MDTA pursues.

Perhaps the most-standard complaint against highway projects and highway expansion projects is that "the money should be spent on transit."   

That argument is reasonable when the highway project is to be tax-funded.

It fails badly when the subject is a project that will be largely or entirely funded by toll revenue bonds or tolls or both.  Transit (at least in the United States) has a difficult time covering its operating costs, and cannot usually cover any of its capital costs, usually looking to highway users to fund them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 28, 2018, 04:23:31 PM
Perhaps the most-standard complaint against highway projects and highway expansion projects is that "the money should be spent on transit."   
That argument is reasonable when the highway project is to be tax-funded.
It fails badly when the subject is a project that will be largely or entirely funded by toll revenue bonds or tolls or both.  Transit (at least in the United States) has a difficult time covering its operating costs, and cannot usually cover any of its capital costs, usually looking to highway users to fund them.

MDOT has a combined funding pot with its Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) and has had since the 1970s.  So any of the sub-agencies like MTA, MDTA, MSHA, MVA, MPA and MAA could access the funding for their projects, could mean some toll revenues being used for transit.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 02, 2018, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 28, 2018, 04:23:31 PM
Perhaps the most-standard complaint against highway projects and highway expansion projects is that "the money should be spent on transit."   
That argument is reasonable when the highway project is to be tax-funded.
It fails badly when the subject is a project that will be largely or entirely funded by toll revenue bonds or tolls or both.  Transit (at least in the United States) has a difficult time covering its operating costs, and cannot usually cover any of its capital costs, usually looking to highway users to fund them.

MDOT has a combined funding pot with its Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) and has had since the 1970s.  So any of the sub-agencies like MTA, MDTA, MSHA, MVA, MPA and MAA could access the funding for their projects, could mean some toll revenues being used for transit.

MDTA projects are not generally funded by the Transportation Trust Fund, which funds SHA, MVA, MTA and the Maryland share of WMATA. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 02, 2018, 11:09:28 PM
It's a mess right now north of Baltimore. With the strong winds from this storm, the bridges on I-95 and US 40 are both closed (and have been that way nearly the entire day). Supposedly US 1 is gridlocked, as is the entire town of Havre de Grace (one news crew said it took 3 hours to get there from Aberdeen - a total of 5 Miles). Signs on 695 are sending people up to PA on I-83  as an alternate.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on March 03, 2018, 07:03:44 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 02, 2018, 11:09:28 PM
It's a mess right now north of Baltimore. With the strong winds from this storm, the bridges on I-95 and US 40 are both closed (and have been that way nearly the entire day). Supposedly US 1 is gridlocked, as is the entire town of Havre de Grace (one news crew said it took 3 hours to get there from Aberdeen - a total of 5 Miles). Signs on 695 are sending people up to PA on I-83  as an alternate.

The wind was absolutely brutal, even on surface roads. I'm shocked that only one tractor trailer was blown on its side yesterday; I expected to hear of several such vehicles getting knocked around. The MdTA Twitter account was very busy yesterday, and at one point got a little snarky and literally told everyone that they can't predict the weather.

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http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/4390118/Express-toll-lane-extension-presentation.pdf

I find myself underwhelmed by this plan. It feels too much like a halfway measure that won't provide a sufficiently large traffic flow improvement for the cost, and will only impose more cost when the time comes for the full four-lane ETL buildout. I'm of the opinion that the inflated construction costs of MD 200 and the existing ETLs have really left a mark on the MdTA Board and that they're downscoping to keep the costs as manageable as possible.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 03, 2018, 07:42:14 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEAI'm shocked that only one tractor trailer was blown on its side yesterday

Pretty sure there's a traffic camera photo of the Tydings Bridge floating around Facebook that shows two trucks blown down...one on each side of the bridge.

QuoteI'm of the opinion that the inflated construction costs of MD 200 and the existing ETLs have really left a mark on the MdTA Board and that they're downscoping to keep the costs as manageable as possible.

Yes.  They opted for ICC construction at one of the most expensive points in recent history (when oil was over $100/barrel), and they have a large volume of bonds to pay back for both projects.  At the same time that they're trying to figure out how to pay for a Nice Bridge replacement, nevermind that Hogan reduced tolls shortly after he took office...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 05, 2018, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: froggie on March 03, 2018, 07:42:14 AM
QuoteI'm of the opinion that the inflated construction costs of MD 200 and the existing ETLs have really left a mark on the MdTA Board and that they're downscoping to keep the costs as manageable as possible.

Yes.  They opted for ICC construction at one of the most expensive points in recent history (when oil was over $100/barrel), and they have a large volume of bonds to pay back for both projects.  At the same time that they're trying to figure out how to pay for a Nice Bridge replacement, nevermind that Hogan reduced tolls shortly after he took office...

Except the construction costs for the ICC project were not "inflated," at least not when compared with the Dulles Rail project (same labor market, same federal "prevailing" wages), which has seen an enormous cost overrun (consistent with most WMATA rail construction projects).

The three major ICC contracts were advertised for bid during the worst of the Great Recession, so MDTA got a better deal than it might have otherwise from the contractors that submitted bids.

From the final MDTA report (http://dlslibrary.state.md.us/publications/Exec/MDOT/MdTA/TR4-321(g)(1)_2014.pdf) to the General Assembly  dated December 1, 2014:

QuoteThe total financial plan for the ICC is now estimated to be $2.387 billion, which is approximately $59 million below the $2.446 billion IFP  amount as well as being $60 million below the $2.447 billion estimate provided to the committees in January, 2005. 

- Since inception (FY 2003 through June 30, 2014), the project has expended $2.322 billion,
or 97 percent of the current project estimate.  No additional funding will be required to complete the project. The project is funded with a combination of  the  following State and federal sources:
o $1,172.4 million in MDTA toll revenue backed debt and cash
o $750.0 million in GARVEE bonds   
o $264.9 million in State General Funds and General Obligation Bonds
o $180.0 million in State transportation trust funds
o $19.3 million in special federal funds

The GARVEE bond balance will be entirely paid-off by 2020.

According to audited MDTA financials, the ICC (by itself) collected over $64 million dollars in tolls for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2017.  That's about 9.5% of all revenues collected by MDTA. 

The only MDTA toll roads that collected more (in percentage terms) were I-95 JFK Highway (northbound crossing the Susquehanna River) (about 25.8%); I-895 Baltimore Harbor Tunnel  (about 13.2%); and the I-95 Fort McHenry  Tunnel (just over 30%). 

The I-95 Express Toll Lanes collected only about 1.85% of MDTA revenues. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 05, 2018, 12:33:01 AM
Looked at two projects construction in Prince George's County this weekend. 

The first is I-95 (Capital Beltway) at Suitland Road in Morningside, near Joint Base Andrews in Camp Springs.  The bridge redecking project there is in full swing, with the contractor apparently building a new section of bridge in the median first, as well as new travel lanes separated by a  Jersey barrier from Auth Road to Suitland Parkway (a contract to replace the deck of the bridge over Suitland Parkway is supposed to be let this year).

Nearby, the contract to replace the terrible and terribly crash-prone signalized intersection at MD-4 and Suitland Parkway has finally gotten under way, with a lot of silt fence and construction fence installed along the parkway (looks like the project includes work at the parkway interchange that connects to the north entrance of Joint Base Andrews).

Interestingly, the prime contractor for this effort is  Tutor Perini Corporation, the same firm that won the MDTA's I-895 Canton Viaduct replacement project in Baltimore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on March 12, 2018, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 05, 2018, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: froggie on March 03, 2018, 07:42:14 AM
QuoteI'm of the opinion that the inflated construction costs of MD 200 and the existing ETLs have really left a mark on the MdTA Board and that they're downscoping to keep the costs as manageable as possible.

Yes.  They opted for ICC construction at one of the most expensive points in recent history (when oil was over $100/barrel), and they have a large volume of bonds to pay back for both projects.  At the same time that they're trying to figure out how to pay for a Nice Bridge replacement, nevermind that Hogan reduced tolls shortly after he took office...

Except the construction costs for the ICC project were not "inflated," at least not when compared with the Dulles Rail project (same labor market, same federal "prevailing" wages), which has seen an enormous cost overrun (consistent with most WMATA rail construction projects).

The three major ICC contracts were advertised for bid during the worst of the Great Recession, so MDTA got a better deal than it might have otherwise from the contractors that submitted bids.

From the final MDTA report (http://dlslibrary.state.md.us/publications/Exec/MDOT/MdTA/TR4-321(g)(1)_2014.pdf) to the General Assembly  dated December 1, 2014:

QuoteThe total financial plan for the ICC is now estimated to be $2.387 billion, which is approximately $59 million below the $2.446 billion IFP  amount as well as being $60 million below the $2.447 billion estimate provided to the committees in January, 2005. 

- Since inception (FY 2003 through June 30, 2014), the project has expended $2.322 billion,
or 97 percent of the current project estimate.  No additional funding will be required to complete the project. The project is funded with a combination of  the  following State and federal sources:
o $1,172.4 million in MDTA toll revenue backed debt and cash
o $750.0 million in GARVEE bonds   
o $264.9 million in State General Funds and General Obligation Bonds
o $180.0 million in State transportation trust funds
o $19.3 million in special federal funds

The GARVEE bond balance will be entirely paid-off by 2020.

According to audited MDTA financials, the ICC (by itself) collected over $64 million dollars in tolls for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2017.  That's about 9.5% of all revenues collected by MDTA. 

The only MDTA toll roads that collected more (in percentage terms) were I-95 JFK Highway (northbound crossing the Susquehanna River) (about 25.8%); I-895 Baltimore Harbor Tunnel  (about 13.2%); and the I-95 Fort McHenry  Tunnel (just over 30%). 

The I-95 Express Toll Lanes collected only about 1.85% of MDTA revenues.

Thanks for the figures and the perspective. It makes me wonder even more why the MDTA would deliberately narrow the scope of the second phase of the ETLs, whe it's likely that 10-15 years after construction starts, they'll have to do even more construction to deal with the traffic volume. I'm quite puzzled - it seems to make much more strategic and financial sense to build the full-size facility up to Exit 80 now and take advantage of the tolls from the longer lanes. What am I missing?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 13, 2018, 07:35:09 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on March 12, 2018, 09:37:42 PM
Thanks for the figures and the perspective. It makes me wonder even more why the MDTA would deliberately narrow the scope of the second phase of the ETLs, whe it's likely that 10-15 years after construction starts, they'll have to do even more construction to deal with the traffic volume. I'm quite puzzled - it seems to make much more strategic and financial sense to build the full-size facility up to Exit 80 now and take advantage of the tolls from the longer lanes. What am I missing?

My guess is that MDTA would bump up against the total amount of outstanding debt that they are allowed to have - an arbitrary limit that I suspect was imposed by members of the  General Assembly opposed to the InterCounty Connector who were angry that they lost that long-running conflict.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 13, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
^ Actually, the General Assembly increased MdTA's debt limit in 2008 from $1.9B to $3.0B (minus whatever MdTA acquiries in FHWA TIFIA loans) to account for the simultaneous financing and construction of the ICC and I-95 ETL's (Chapter 567 of the 2008 session laws).  Because of the TIFIA loan used for the ICC, their current debt limit is in the neighborhood of $2.4B.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 13, 2018, 01:35:31 PM
Quote from: froggie on March 13, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
^ Actually, the General Assembly increased MdTA's debt limit in 2008 from $1.9B to $3.0B (minus whatever MdTA acquiries in FHWA TIFIA loans) to account for the simultaneous financing and construction of the ICC and I-95 ETL's (Chapter 567 of the 2008 session laws).  Because of the TIFIA loan used for the ICC, their current debt limit is in the neighborhood of $2.4B.

It is currently $2.2 or $2.3 billion.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on March 13, 2018, 03:13:37 PM
2.3 and change per MdTA's debt webpage.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 07, 2018, 09:21:36 PM
Not something you see every day! (Thanks to cpzilliacus for retweeting the source.)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180408/19aa5b7e518bfb0fb15e8609596986d7.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 16, 2018, 11:06:39 AM
Capital News Service via WTOP: Maryland explores changing tolls to electronic only (https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2018/04/maryland-explores-changing-tolls-electronic/)

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority is exploring phasing out all cash toll booths across the state.

QuoteToday, tolls are collected three ways: by cash, or electronically, by either an E-ZPass transponder or by video tolling – when the state uses a license-plate photo and mails drivers their bill.

QuoteTransportation officials say that the transition to all-electronic, high-speed toll collection will: save drivers time on their commute, save the state money, reduce accidents at toll plazas, and reduce CO2 emissions as less fuel is being burned, according to a national study by the University of Central Florida.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 16, 2018, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 07, 2018, 09:21:36 PM
Not something you see every day! (Thanks to cpzilliacus for retweeting the source.)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180408/19aa5b7e518bfb0fb15e8609596986d7.jpg)

What's the tweet this came from?  Cool shot!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Doctor Whom on April 16, 2018, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 07, 2018, 09:21:36 PMNot something you see every day! (Thanks to cpzilliacus for retweeting the source.)[/img]
Officer, am I free to fly off?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 16, 2018, 07:56:31 PM
Are the signs on the frontage roads for US-40/I-170 still around in Baltimore?  I see new traffic lights and sidewalk construction around US-1 and the side streets via GSV.  I heard some were replaced.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 16, 2018, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on April 16, 2018, 02:45:20 PM
What's the tweet this came from?  Cool shot!

http://twitter.com/themdta/status/982636549505511424
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 18, 2018, 06:22:09 PM
are you able to search MSHA advertisements for projects online? I'm looking for signing projects if there are any.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 19, 2018, 11:19:05 AM
Washington Post:  Speedy selection process ends with Maryland official's former firm being chosen for project (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/speedy-selection-of-maryland-transportation-secretarys-former-firm-raises-questions/2018/04/16/8572b57a-418e-11e8-bba2-0976a82b05a2_story.html)

Hogan administration delays consideration of fast-tracked transportation contract (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/04/17/hogan-administration-delays-consideration-of-fast-tracked-transportation-contract-questioned-by-critics/)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 19, 2018, 11:23:38 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on April 18, 2018, 06:22:09 PM
are you able to search MSHA advertisements for projects online? I'm looking for signing projects if there are any.

https://emaryland.buyspeed.com/bso/external/publicBids.sdo
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 23, 2018, 04:41:31 PM
GLOBE NEWSWIRE: The Maryland Transportation Authority selects TransCore to deliver next generation tolling customer service center solution - 10-year, $272M contract for Maryland's toll account management and customer service operations (https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/04/23/1485338/0/en/The-Maryland-Transportation-Authority-selects-TransCore-to-deliver-next-generation-tolling-customer-service-center-solution.html)

QuoteAs part of a system-wide initiative to update its tolling technology and service, the Maryland Transportation Authority (MDTA) has selected TransCore to design, build, operate, and maintain an advanced customer service center solution that enhances the overall customer experience and provides flexibility for future MDTA operations.

Quote"MDTA's goal is to revolutionize the way E-ZPass Maryland does customer service.  We look forward to our partnership with TransCore to provide our customers with the level of customer service they deserve,"  said MDTA's Executive Director Kevin C. Reigrut.  "This next generation of our tolling system will enable us to support our customers and operations for many years into the future."  

QuoteTransCore will implement its Integrity back office system to process transactions from MDTA's eight tolled facilities, provide financial and enterprise reporting, and expand existing interaction with the Maryland Department of Transportation (MDOT) Motor Vehicles Administration, E-ZPass, and law enforcement stakeholders.  Enhanced online functionality will enable motorists to review and replenish their accounts, conveniently make payments, and update customer information online, as well as sign up for roadway and account updates via email, text messaging, and new social media applications.

QuoteIn addition to developing new online functionality, TransCore will build and operate a state-of-the-art customer service center, providing enhanced customer service to MDTA's customers.  Acting in close partnership with MDTA, TransCore will establish a major new base of operation in Maryland, resulting in significant economic benefit to the State of Maryland and its citizens. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on April 23, 2018, 04:42:51 PM
And tolls will again rise to pay for all of these improvements...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 28, 2018, 08:55:41 PM
With the impending completion of the MD 404 single lane paving before the start of the summer travel season and the ongoing reconstruction of the Salisbury Beltway, what's the next major Eastern Shore project that needs to be built?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 28, 2018, 09:25:51 PM
I'd argue for a 50/404 interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 28, 2018, 09:36:01 PM
Upgrade US-50 to freeway standards between US-301 split and south of MD-404.

This has been studied in the past as a single project, with an upgrade alternative and a relocation alternative.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on April 29, 2018, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 28, 2018, 09:25:51 PM
I'd argue for a 50/404 interchange.

Quote from: Beltway on April 28, 2018, 09:36:01 PM
Upgrade US-50 to freeway standards between US-301 split and south of MD-404.

This has been studied in the past as a single project, with an upgrade alternative and a relocation alternative.

I know at one point they wanted to do both, but did they drop/postpone the US 50 upgrade or the MD 404 interchange? Or both now?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 29, 2018, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 29, 2018, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 28, 2018, 09:36:01 PM
Upgrade US-50 to freeway standards between US-301 split and south of MD-404.
This has been studied in the past as a single project, with an upgrade alternative and a relocation alternative.
I know at one point they wanted to do both, but did they drop/postpone the US 50 upgrade or the MD 404 interchange? Or both now?

The project is in Maryland's FY 2018 - FY 2023 Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP).

Project Status currently On Hold.  No total cost estimate given, but at say $30 million per mile that would be about $400 million.  Based on current and projected AADTs, I would say they definitely should go for the full 6-lane freeway facility.  Although I would suggest a Phase I where they would build the MD-404 interchange at $30-35 million.

PROJECT:  US 50, Ocean Gateway
DESCRIPTION:  Widen existing US 50 from US 301 at Queenstown to MD 404 (13.8 miles) to six lanes, acquire access controls, and replace at-grade intersections with interchanges.  Bicycle and pedestrian accommodations will be included where appropriate.
JUSTIFICATION:  This project will provide increased capacity to relieve traffic congestion and improve safety.
STATUS:  On hold.
Annual Average Daily Traffic (vehicles per day)
CURRENT (2017) -    54,600                                                           
                               75,500 (Summer)
PROJECTED (2035) - 86,850                                               
                              100,650 (Summer)

$20.01 million expended thru 2017 for Planning, Engineering and Right-of-Way
$Zero programmed in any category for 2018-2023
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2018, 05:30:13 AM
Washington Post: Maryland rakes in millions of dollars from toll fines and penalties (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/maryland-rakes-in-millions-of-dollars-from-toll-fines-and-penalties/2018/04/28/f19b9c40-4408-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html)

QuoteMaryland's stepped-up efforts to collect unpaid tolls are raking in millions of dollars for the state – outpacing the growth in toll revenue itself.

QuoteState lawmakers and consumer protection groups say the crackdown – which includes referring thousands of delinquent accounts to collections – is punitive and predatory, and is pushing Marylanders into debt – and in some cases bankruptcy. Transportation officials say they are only enforcing tolls motorists should be paying anyway – a major shift from years past when the state allowed scofflaws to run up hefty amounts in unpaid tolls and fines without consequences.

Quote"Certainly, we want to collect unpaid tolls out of fairness to the 99% of our customers who do pay as expected,"  John Sales, a spokesman for the Maryland Transportation Authority (MdTA) said via email. "But, we are far more interested in encouraging E-ZPass usage and prompt payment of tolls due rather than trying to collect overdue tolls and fines."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 30, 2018, 10:46:37 AM
Baltimore Sun: Why is traffic so congested in Baltimore? Officials blame 'antiquated' signal system (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-synchronize-lights-20180424-story.html)

QuoteAn "antiquated"  network of traffic signals is contributing to congestion downtown and in other busy Baltimore neighborhoods, and tens of millions of dollars in technology and structural upgrades are needed to ensure smoother, faster rides, city transportation officials say.

QuoteSome of the most pressing repair and replacement work is already planned. More than $20 million has been set aside in next year's capital budget for system upgrades, officials say. But those investments are not assured, they say, and would resolve only a portion of the system's deficiencies.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on April 30, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
WTOP:   US 50 over Severn River expands to 4 lanes  (https://wtop.com/anne-arundel-county/2018/04/route-50-over-severn-river-expands-to-4-lanes/slide/1/)

QuoteThe eastbound lanes of Route 50 over the Severn River expanded from three lanes to four with Gov. Larry Hogan holding a ceremonial ribbon-cutting ceremony to mark the occasion.

The expansion was finished a month ahead of schedule.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 30, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 30, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
WTOP:   US 50 over Severn River expands to 4 lanes  (https://wtop.com/anne-arundel-county/2018/04/route-50-over-severn-river-expands-to-4-lanes/slide/1/)
QuoteThe eastbound lanes of Route 50 over the Severn River expanded from three lanes to four with Gov. Larry Hogan holding a ceremonial ribbon-cutting ceremony to mark the occasion.
The expansion was finished a month ahead of schedule.

I see they did that by reducing the lane widths from 12 feet to 11 feet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on May 01, 2018, 07:01:48 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 30, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 30, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
WTOP:   US 50 over Severn River expands to 4 lanes  (https://wtop.com/anne-arundel-county/2018/04/route-50-over-severn-river-expands-to-4-lanes/slide/1/)
QuoteThe eastbound lanes of Route 50 over the Severn River expanded from three lanes to four with Gov. Larry Hogan holding a ceremonial ribbon-cutting ceremony to mark the occasion.
The expansion was finished a month ahead of schedule.

I see they did that by reducing the lane widths from 12 feet to 11 feet.

Tune in on the afternoon of May 25.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on May 01, 2018, 07:55:55 AM
Quote from: ixnay on May 01, 2018, 07:01:48 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 30, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 30, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
WTOP:   US 50 over Severn River expands to 4 lanes  (https://wtop.com/anne-arundel-county/2018/04/route-50-over-severn-river-expands-to-4-lanes/slide/1/)
QuoteThe eastbound lanes of Route 50 over the Severn River expanded from three lanes to four with Gov. Larry Hogan holding a ceremonial ribbon-cutting ceremony to mark the occasion.
The expansion was finished a month ahead of schedule.
I see they did that by reducing the lane widths from 12 feet to 11 feet.
Tune in on the afternoon of May 25.
ixnay

How far past the bridge does this lane go before it drops?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on May 01, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
Up to the 1 1/2 lane exit ramp for MD-2/450. Bridge is straight, and the 11' wide lanes are OK. Once off the bridge, the roadway bends to the right, but I think the lanes can revert to 12' before the ramp. When I passed thru there last Friday, the final striping wasn't yet in place.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 01, 2018, 06:22:50 PM
Now that they've started the construction of the bridge piers for the bridge for exit 12 on I-270, it looks like the bridge will at least accommodate a 4x4x4 lane configuration.  Which that makes sense since the likely scenario is to build four HOT lanes in the middle of the highway.  The additional 4 lanes would be added on the south side of I-270 at that point.  Also there may be room for a CD lane or two on the outside.  Of course this is still several years down the road but it looks like they envisioned the likely outcome for expansion when designing this project.  Which of course is not surprising.  It's just interesting what can be construed from the design already. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on May 01, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on May 01, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
Up to the 1 1/2 lane exit ramp for MD-2/450. Bridge is straight, and the 11' wide lanes are OK. Once off the bridge, the roadway bends to the right, but I think the lanes can revert to 12' before the ramp. When I passed thru there last Friday, the final striping wasn't yet in place.

I drove thru there today ... looks good, all lines painted.  Light traffic when I went thru there, so I can't gauge the effect on peak traffic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: skluth on May 03, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
Maryland is fast-tracking its plan to widen the Beltway and I-270.
Link: https://ggwash.org/view/67378/maryland-sets-an-ambitious-timeline-to-study-widening-the-beltway-and-i-270

Project will be adding toll lanes to both highways. Greater Greater Washington is a New Urbanist site, so a lot of the reading may come off as pretty negative for many readers. The article is well-documented with plenty of links for those wanting further information.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on May 03, 2018, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 03, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
Maryland is fast-tracking its plan to widen the Beltway and I-270.
Link: https://ggwash.org/view/67378/maryland-sets-an-ambitious-timeline-to-study-widening-the-beltway-and-i-270
Project will be adding toll lanes to both highways. Greater Greater Washington is a New Urbanist site, so a lot of the reading may come off as pretty negative for many readers. The article is well-documented with plenty of links for those wanting further information.

I don't see how they can "fast track" a project like this that will at minimum require 6 to 8 years of NEPA EIS/location studies.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 03, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
^ Probably piggybacking off the 2002 DEIS for I-270, the "West Side Mobility Study" of 2009, and the Capitol Beltway Study from 2013.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on May 03, 2018, 11:27:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 03, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
^ Probably piggybacking off the 2002 DEIS for I-270, the "West Side Mobility Study" of 2009, and the Capitol Beltway Study from 2013.

The 2002 DEIS for I-270 obviously had environmental deliverables, but did the others have any? 

I would like them to focus on I-495 between VA and I-270, as VA just started the EIS/location study between VA-267 and MD, for the extension of the HOT lanes.  That would be a big step forward if they could extend the 4-2/2-4 configuration thru there and do a total rebuild/upgrade of bridges and interchanges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 04, 2018, 07:04:58 PM
Where would I look on the MDOT SHA website to find out the status of any ongoing 70mph speed limits? I've heard, anecdotally, that the SHA has stopped raising the limits because of statistically significant increases in vehicle crashes and accidents in the existing 70mph zones. Is that at all true, and how would I find out?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on May 04, 2018, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: Beltway on May 01, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on May 01, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
Up to the 1 1/2 lane exit ramp for MD-2/450. Bridge is straight, and the 11' wide lanes are OK. Once off the bridge, the roadway bends to the right, but I think the lanes can revert to 12' before the ramp. When I passed thru there last Friday, the final striping wasn't yet in place.

I drove thru there today ... looks good, all lines painted.  Light traffic when I went thru there, so I can't gauge the effect on peak traffic.
Whipped thru there at about 2:20 this afternoon. Considering traffic on the Beltway between MD-450 and US-50, and along 50 towards Annapolis I would have expected a several mile slowdown before the Severn, but had no problems with maintaining speed across the bridge. A 2 rear axle dump truck towing a large trailer drifted onto the white dashes, but I just accelerated past and let him wander back and forth in his lane.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on May 06, 2018, 10:28:29 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 03, 2018, 11:27:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 03, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
^ Probably piggybacking off the 2002 DEIS for I-270, the "West Side Mobility Study" of 2009, and the Capitol Beltway Study from 2013.

The 2002 DEIS for I-270 obviously had environmental deliverables, but did the others have any? 

I would like them to focus on I-495 between VA and I-270, as VA just started the EIS/location study between VA-267 and MD, for the extension of the HOT lanes.  That would be a big step forward if they could extend the 4-2/2-4 configuration thru there and do a total rebuild/upgrade of bridges and interchanges.

That would be a great idea.  Ideally, 1 lane of the HOT lanes and 2 lanes of the general lanes will feed each roadway of the split (270 north and 495 east).  If that's not feasible, then the HOT lanes need to start south of River Rd to give everyone the opportunity to change lanes.  The roadway should be widened to 6 lanes in each direction between the river and the split.

I-270 itself should not be widened south of I-370.  It is plenty wide and already provides 6 lanes in each direction.  North of there, there needs to be HOT lanes as the roadway dramatically narrows.  Only 2 lanes in each direction north of Germantown, and there are a ton of commuters from Frederick. 

If these changes occur, the existing HOV lanes should become HOT lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 09, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
Baltimore Sun:Top official in Baltimore's Traffic Division under investigation after allegations of 'inappropriate conduct' (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-transportation-official-investigated-20180509-story.html)

QuoteA top official in the Baltimore transportation department's Traffic Division is under investigation following a formal complaint of inappropriate conduct signed by 15 employees, the department confirmed.

QuoteGraham Young, deputy chief of traffic, oversaw the department's second-largest division, which includes traffic engineering, road closures and traffic lights.

QuoteYoung was removed from his management capacity and is not currently supervising employees, pending the outcome of the investigation, said Greg Tucker, a spokesman for Mayor Catherine E. Pugh. Young is temporarily working in another division of the transportation agency, and a Maintenance Division supervisor has been assigned his duties, according to three department sources.

QuoteReached by phone Wednesday, Young declined to comment and referred questions to the department.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on May 11, 2018, 09:21:51 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 09, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
Baltimore Sun:Top official in Baltimore's Traffic Division under investigation after allegations of 'inappropriate conduct' (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-transportation-official-investigated-20180509-story.html)

QuoteA top official in the Baltimore transportation department’s Traffic Division is under investigation following a formal complaint of inappropriate conduct signed by 15 employees, the department confirmed.

QuoteGraham Young, deputy chief of traffic, oversaw the department’s second-largest division, which includes traffic engineering, road closures and traffic lights.

QuoteYoung was removed from his management capacity and is not currently supervising employees, pending the outcome of the investigation, said Greg Tucker, a spokesman for Mayor Catherine E. Pugh. Young is temporarily working in another division of the transportation agency, and a Maintenance Division supervisor has been assigned his duties, according to three department sources.

QuoteReached by phone Wednesday, Young declined to comment and referred questions to the department.



Sounds a lot like an article out of Chicago...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 16, 2018, 05:27:55 PM
MD 180 was thoroughly trashed by the recent heavy rains and may be closed for up to a week between MD 17 and MD 79.

http://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3147

The photo in the article shows the extent of the washout that occurred.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on May 23, 2018, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: Beltway on May 01, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on May 01, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
Up to the 1 1/2 lane exit ramp for MD-2/450. Bridge is straight, and the 11' wide lanes are OK. Once off the bridge, the roadway bends to the right, but I think the lanes can revert to 12' before the ramp. When I passed thru there last Friday, the final striping wasn't yet in place.

I drove thru there today ... looks good, all lines painted.  Light traffic when I went thru there, so I can't gauge the effect on peak traffic.

Last Friday afternoon, traffic flow thru here was good until across the bridge. Noticeable slowdown as traffic from MD-2/MD-450 entered EB US-50.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 26, 2018, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on May 23, 2018, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: Beltway on May 01, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on May 01, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
Up to the 1 1/2 lane exit ramp for MD-2/450. Bridge is straight, and the 11' wide lanes are OK. Once off the bridge, the roadway bends to the right, but I think the lanes can revert to 12' before the ramp. When I passed thru there last Friday, the final striping wasn't yet in place.

I drove thru there today ... looks good, all lines painted.  Light traffic when I went thru there, so I can't gauge the effect on peak traffic.

Last Friday afternoon, traffic flow thru here was good until across the bridge. Noticeable slowdown as traffic from MD-2/MD-450 entered EB US-50.

That interchange is unusually designed and I suspect that the narrow bridges for the 50/301 main lanes contribute to the slowdown going east.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 10, 2018, 01:06:27 PM
I saw some plans for the long-awaited upgrade of MD-4 between Capital Beltway(I-95/495) and MD-223.
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/webprojectlifecycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=PG9171116

They showed the selected alternative from 2000 but seems they had changed some proposal in this other document from 2008
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/webprojectlifecycle/ProjectMaps.aspx?projectno=PG9171116#
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/webprojectlifecycle/ProjectMaps.aspx?projectno=PG9171116#

I would enter into fictionnal highways territory if I suggest to transform the MD-4/Capital beltway cloverleaf into a cloverstack. ^^;
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 11, 2018, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 10, 2018, 01:06:27 PM
I saw some plans for the long-awaited upgrade of MD-4 between Capital Beltway(I-95/495) and MD-223.
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/webprojectlifecycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=PG9171116

They showed the selected alternative from 2000 but seems they had changed some proposal in this other document from 2008
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/webprojectlifecycle/ProjectMaps.aspx?projectno=PG9171116#
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/webprojectlifecycle/ProjectMaps.aspx?projectno=PG9171116#

I would enter into fictionnal highways territory if I suggest to transform the MD-4/Capital beltway cloverleaf into a cloverstack. ^^;

The interchange at MD-4 (Pennsylvania Avenue Extended) and the federal Suitland Parkway (https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B049'47.3%22N+76%C2%B051'23.7%22W/@38.829815,-76.8587597,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0x0!2zMzjCsDUxJzE4LjAiTiA3NsKwNTInMzEuMCJX!3b1!8m2!3d38.855!4d-76.875278!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.8298152!4d-76.8565708?hl=en) (Suitland Parkway is not MD-337, even though Google shows it as such) is under construction now, and that project will eliminate one of the three terrible (as in crash-prone) at-grade signalized intersections along MD-4 in the area (the other two are at Westphalia Road/Old Marlboro Pike (https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B050'15.0%22N+76%C2%B051'42.8%22W/@38.837511,-76.8640767,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0x0!2zMzjCsDUxJzE4LjAiTiA3NsKwNTInMzEuMCJX!3b1!8m2!3d38.855!4d-76.875278!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.837511!4d-76.8618884?hl=en) and at Dower House Road/Marlboro Pike (https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B049'15.5%22N+76%C2%B050'55.0%22W/@38.820972,-76.8507987,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0x0!2zMzjCsDUxJzE4LjAiTiA3NsKwNTInMzEuMCJX!3b1!8m2!3d38.855!4d-76.875278!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.8209716!4d-76.84861?hl=en).

Yes, the cloverleaf interchange at MD-4 and I-95(and I-495) (https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B050'23.2%22N+76%C2%B052'00.1%22W/@38.839785,-76.8688877,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0x0!2zMzjCsDUxJzE4LjAiTiA3NsKwNTInMzEuMCJX!3b1!8m2!3d38.855!4d-76.875278!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.8397852!4d-76.866699?hl=en) has exceeded its useful life and  should be reconstructed to something more robust.  At a minimum, the bridge that carries I-95 here is original to the 1964 completion of the Capital Beltway and badly needs a deck replacement.

Nearby, the bridge that carries I-95(I-495) over Suitland Road (https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B049'19.3%22N+76%C2%B053'15.5%22W/@38.82202,-76.8898207,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7bb89ab8cae6b:0x82cb70fb06972b1d!2sCamp+Springs,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d38.8040027!4d-76.9066396!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.8220198!4d-76.8876324) (not the same as Suitland Parkway) is being replaced and the bridge that carries I-95(I-495) over the Suitland Parkway (https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B049'49.5%22N+76%C2%B052'26.1%22W/@38.830418,-76.8761087,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7bb89ab8cae6b:0x82cb70fb06972b1d!2sCamp+Springs,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d38.8040027!4d-76.9066396!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.8304181!4d-76.8739197) being advertised for bids. Both of these bridges were classified as structurally deficient the last time I checked.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on June 11, 2018, 08:39:08 PM
^ The Beltway bridges over Suitland Pkwy also lack shoulders.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on June 12, 2018, 10:11:47 AM
The new Dover Bridge opens tomorrow.  They don't call it an opening.  I guess that's since they'll have formal opening ceremony later.

http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3171
TRAFFIC SHIFT TUESDAY AFTERNOON ON THE DOVER BRIDGE OVER THE CHOPTANK RIVER
QuoteThe Maryland Department of Transportation State Highway Administration (MDOT SHA) will begin employing a configuration change on MD 331 (Dover Road) at the Caroline/Talbot County line. The traffic shift will involve changing primary travel from the old Dover Bridge to the new lanes of traffic on the new Dover Bridge. The traffic switch to the new bridge will be in place by tomorrow afternoon, June 12.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 12, 2018, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: froggie on June 11, 2018, 08:39:08 PM
^ The Beltway bridges over Suitland Pkwy also lack shoulders.

Indeed. These bridges are all-around awful structures because of wear-and-tear, and there have been several emergency lane closures in recent years because of potholes that went down to (and through) the rebar. 

I believe the new bridges will have shoulders and  will  otherwise be significantly wider.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 12, 2018, 11:05:11 AM
ITS International: http://www.itsinternational.com/categories/charging-tolling/news/kapsch-to-upgrade-marylands-toll-collection-equipment/ (http://www.itsinternational.com/categories/charging-tolling/news/kapsch-to-upgrade-marylands-toll-collection-equipment/)

QuoteKapsch TrafficCom will replace all of Maryland Transportation Authority's (MDTA's) roadside tolling equipment.

QuoteFor the upgrade, valued $67m (£47m), Kapsch will utilise radio-frequency identification (RFID) toll readers, automated number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras and scanners in the mixed-mode lanes. The company will also install its stereoscopic vehicle detection and classification sensor (nVDC) in the all-electronic toll lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 12, 2018, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: BrianP on June 12, 2018, 10:11:47 AM
The new Dover Bridge opens tomorrow.  They don't call it an opening.  I guess that's since they'll have formal opening ceremony later.
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3171
TRAFFIC SHIFT TUESDAY AFTERNOON ON THE DOVER BRIDGE OVER THE CHOPTANK RIVER
QuoteThe Maryland Department of Transportation State Highway Administration (MDOT SHA) will begin employing a configuration change on MD 331 (Dover Road) at the Caroline/Talbot County line. The traffic shift will involve changing primary travel from the old Dover Bridge to the new lanes of traffic on the new Dover Bridge. The traffic switch to the new bridge will be in place by tomorrow afternoon, June 12.

Good!  It looked nearly complete when I last saw it on May 2nd.  Seems like the last 2 spans on the east end got delayed for over a year for some reason, the rest of the bridge was complete back then.  Also the filled section of roadway east of there across wetlands had be widened and shifted.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 12, 2018, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 12, 2018, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: froggie on June 11, 2018, 08:39:08 PM
^ The Beltway bridges over Suitland Pkwy also lack shoulders.
Indeed. These bridges are all-around awful structures because of wear-and-tear, and there have been several emergency lane closures in recent years because of potholes that went down to (and through) the rebar. 
I believe the new bridges will have shoulders and  will  otherwise be significantly wider.

Why are so many MD I-495 bridges still the original?  I think the only remaining mainline bridges in Virginia are two of the bridges over VA-267, and the outcome of them and the left ramp terminals are pending depending on how the HOT lanes are extended (mainly whether 4 lanes or 2 lanes are added from there to MD).

The bridge over the Eisenhower Avenue Connector is partly original but the deck was replaced in the WWB Project.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on June 12, 2018, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 12, 2018, 11:05:11 AM
ITS International: http://www.itsinternational.com/categories/charging-tolling/news/kapsch-to-upgrade-marylands-toll-collection-equipment/ (http://www.itsinternational.com/categories/charging-tolling/news/kapsch-to-upgrade-marylands-toll-collection-equipment/)

QuoteKapsch TrafficCom will replace all of Maryland Transportation Authority's (MDTA's) roadside tolling equipment.

QuoteFor the upgrade, valued $67m (£47m), Kapsch will utilise radio-frequency identification (RFID) toll readers, automated number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras and scanners in the mixed-mode lanes. The company will also install its stereoscopic vehicle detection and classification sensor (nVDC) in the all-electronic toll lanes.
RFID?  Could this be a hint at future interoperability between E-ZPass and other transponders?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on June 13, 2018, 07:43:32 PM
Another moveable bridge on the Eastern Shore has been replaced on MD 331 between Easton and Preston...

http://www.stardem.com/spotlight/new-dover-bridge-officially-opens/article_f9c67e80-e3d0-5f48-bfb1-b036ace7fb29.html

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on June 15, 2018, 05:13:54 PM
This was released earlier today by the MDTA. Personally I'm quite pleased at the outbreak of common sense, but still annoyed that the additional funds won't pay for a complete quad carriageway up to MD 543. When the revised plans are released I will be interested to see if the interchange and ROW reconstruction will include passive provision to widen the southbound side to build the missing ETL carriageway.

HOGAN ADMINISTRATION ADDS $890 MILLION TO EXTEND I-95 EXPRESS TOLL LANES TO HARFORD COUNTY (http://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/hogan-administration-adds-890-million-extend-i-95-express-toll)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on June 15, 2018, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on June 15, 2018, 05:13:54 PM
This was released earlier today by the MDTA. Personally I'm quite pleased at the outbreak of common sense, but still annoyed that the additional funds won't pay for a complete quad carriageway up to MD 543. When the revised plans are released I will be interested to see if the interchange and ROW reconstruction will include passive provision to widen the southbound side to build the missing ETL carriageway.
^Agreed.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aegis/ph-ag-expanded-express-toll-lanes-plan-0620-story.html
QuoteIn addition to building the two express lanes farther out into Harford County, the interchanges at Route 152 in Joppa and Route 24 will be reconstructed, so motorists can exit to them directly from the express lanes.

The interchange work at Route 152 also will involve changes to the existing park and ride logs, according to MDTA.

Reconstruction of the Route 24 interchange includes a two-lane flyover ramp toward Bel Air, alleviating congestion for motorists exiting I-95 to routes 24 and 924, MDTA said.

$890 million seems like way too much for whats being added on here. Its also important to note that this project is scheduled to begin in 2019 and end in 2026, something I'm sure will annoy the hell out of locals. IMHO the whole I-95 ETL project north of Baltimore should have been built under a P3 deal such as the express lanes in NOVA. However, Maryland's upcoming plans for I-495 and I-270 show that the state is learning.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
Except that the P3 for the VA express lanes has its issues.  Namely, TransUrban does not consult the E-ZPass database in the event of a blown read.  They just send out a violation notice with exorbitant fees.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on June 18, 2018, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
Except that the P3 for the VA express lanes has its issues.

Don't get me wrong, I am by no means defending those deals. The I-95 one in particular was horrendous. Yet terms of time and efficiency, while the 8-mile I-95 ETLS took 8 years to build(2006 to 2014), the far more complex 14-mile I-495 HOT lanes took only 4(2008 to 2012). Hell, the 22-mile Transform I-66 is projected to take only 4 years too(2018 to 2022). Would Maryland have gotten a good deal on the initial I-95 ETL project? Probably not. However, after seeing what a decent P3 deal can look like(I-66 IMO), I think Maryland could get way more bang for their buck with a P3 deal here. I would have much rather saw that extra $890 million go towards widening I-81.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 18, 2018, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
Except that the P3 for the VA express lanes has its issues.  Namely, TransUrban does not consult the E-ZPass database in the event of a blown read.  They just send out a violation notice with exorbitant fees.

Not in my experience.  The E-ZPass online interface shows that it takes 5 days or more for my I-95 and I-495 transactions to post and deduct the toll after the trip.  One of the ETC experts on Facebook told me that is because they take that much time in order to fully verify the transaction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 18, 2018, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on June 18, 2018, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
Except that the P3 for the VA express lanes has its issues.
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means defending those deals. The I-95 one in particular was horrendous. Yet terms of time and efficiency, while the 8-mile I-95 ETLS took 8 years to build(2006 to 2014), the far more complex 14-mile I-495 HOT lanes took only 4(2008 to 2012). Hell, the 22-mile Transform I-66 is projected to take only 4 years too(2018 to 2022). Would Maryland have gotten a good deal on the initial I-95 ETL project? Probably not. However, after seeing what a decent P3 deal can look like(I-66 IMO), I think Maryland could get way more bang for their buck with a P3 deal here. I would have much rather saw that extra $890 million go towards widening I-81.

Same with the Elizabeth River Tunnels project.  Massive $1.4 billion P3 project to build a new tunnel, major rehabs of the 3 older tunnels, extend the MLK Freeway.  On time and on budget, 2012-2016.  Pain in re-tolling the tunnels notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 08:34:22 PM
Quote from: Beltway on June 18, 2018, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
Except that the P3 for the VA express lanes has its issues.  Namely, TransUrban does not consult the E-ZPass database in the event of a blown read.  They just send out a violation notice with exorbitant fees.

Not in my experience.  The E-ZPass online interface shows that it takes 5 days or more for my I-95 and I-495 transactions to post and deduct the toll after the trip.  One of the ETC experts on Facebook told me that is because they take that much time in order to fully verify the transaction.
I think this may have resulted in a lawsuit ending with a court order to check the database.

Quote from: Beltway on June 18, 2018, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on June 18, 2018, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
Except that the P3 for the VA express lanes has its issues.
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means defending those deals. The I-95 one in particular was horrendous. Yet terms of time and efficiency, while the 8-mile I-95 ETLS took 8 years to build(2006 to 2014), the far more complex 14-mile I-495 HOT lanes took only 4(2008 to 2012). Hell, the 22-mile Transform I-66 is projected to take only 4 years too(2018 to 2022). Would Maryland have gotten a good deal on the initial I-95 ETL project? Probably not. However, after seeing what a decent P3 deal can look like(I-66 IMO), I think Maryland could get way more bang for their buck with a P3 deal here. I would have much rather saw that extra $890 million go towards widening I-81.

Same with the Elizabeth River Tunnels project.  Massive $1.4 billion P3 project to build a new tunnel, major rehabs of the 3 older tunnels, extend the MLK Freeway.  On time and on budget, 2012-2016.  Pain in re-tolling the tunnels notwithstanding.
Didn't one of the tunnel P3s result in VDOT being unable to improve another facility if they don't pay a penalty?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on June 18, 2018, 08:51:50 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
Except that the P3 for the VA express lanes has its issues.  Namely, TransUrban does not consult the E-ZPass database in the event of a blown read.  They just send out a violation notice with exorbitant fees.

That's not entirely true. Last year when Ms1995hoo bought a new car over Memorial Day weekend, I added it to our E-ZPass (Virginia) account before we left the dealer. We drove it in the I-95 HO/T lanes without an E-ZPass on the way home and it was properly charged to our E-ZPass account because I had the plate registered.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 18, 2018, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 18, 2018, 08:34:22 PM
Quote from: Beltway on June 18, 2018, 01:16:08 PM
Same with the Elizabeth River Tunnels project.  Massive $1.4 billion P3 project to build a new tunnel, major rehabs of the 3 older tunnels, extend the MLK Freeway.  On time and on budget, 2012-2016.  Pain in re-tolling the tunnels notwithstanding.
Didn't one of the tunnel P3s result in VDOT being unable to improve another facility if they don't pay a penalty?

No:

Q: Will ERC receive additional compensation related to other transportation improvements in Hampton Roads?

A: The Project will not prohibit the future development of any other projects in the Hampton Roads region.  If the Commonwealth opens a competing facility during the term of the Midtown Tunnel agreement, ERC may make a claim if the revenues needed to pay back the financing for the Midtown Tunnel Project decreases because of that facility.  ERC must comply with strict notice requirements in order to make a claim and ERC bears the burden of proof in demonstrating revenue impacts.  There is no guaranteed compensation.

https://www.driveert.com/project-resources/faq/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on June 19, 2018, 09:40:55 AM
It wasn't a tunnel P3, but there was such a clause at least considered for either the Beltway or the initial 95/395 HO/T lanes.  I recall it being a big stink up in NoVA when the 95/395 HO/T lanes were being planned.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 19, 2018, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: froggie on June 19, 2018, 09:40:55 AM
It wasn't a tunnel P3, but there was such a clause at least considered for either the Beltway or the initial 95/395 HO/T lanes.  I recall it being a big stink up in NoVA when the 95/395 HO/T lanes were being planned.

There is all kinds of misinformation being propagated about P3 projects regarding that issue. 
All the VA P3 projects are handled in their comprehensive agreements like as in the ERT cite that I posted yesterday.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on June 19, 2018, 11:11:35 AM
^ The administration of the governor at the time was being a bit secretive about project details, which certainly didn't help the misinformation situation.  Had they been more upfront, the miscommunications would have been largely avoided.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on June 26, 2018, 08:31:08 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-feds-studying-295-transfer-20180625-story.html
QuoteThe federal government has agreed to study ways of transferring ownership of a 19-mile stretch of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway (Interstate 295) to Maryland, federal and state officials announced Monday – a key step in Gov. Larry Hogan's $9 billion highway expansion plan.

Hogan and U.S. Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke have signed a non-binding general agreement to "explore potential legislative solutions"  to transfer or exchange the expressway section that runs through Prince George's and Anne Arundel counties, the governor announced.

In a statement, Zinke expressed optimism for a potential trade for "land more suited to the mission of the National Park Service,"  which manages the parkway under the Interior Department.

The highway, which runs between Baltimore and Washington, carries about 120,000 commuters per day.

"The Department of the Interior is not in the business of managing commuter highways,"  Zinke said. "It makes sense to explore a potential exchange of a highway for land that is more suited to the mission of the National Park Service."

Neither Hogan nor Zinke indicated what Maryland-owned land might be considered for such a trade.

Announced last year, Hogan's plan involves widening highways by adding hundreds of miles of express toll lanes to I-295, I-270 and I-495 – the Capital Beltway.

Expanding I-295 would require the federal government to turn over the highway to the state. The Maryland Transportation Authority would build, operate and maintain the lanes, the governor said.

"While no decisions have been made, the agreement provides a framework for [the Interior Department] to collaborate with Governor Hogan and the state of Maryland to evaluate all possibilities,"  the Interior Department said in its announcement.

Looks increasing likely that the Feds will transfer ownership of B-W Parkway thus giving Maryland the green light to go ahead and build express lanes. Additionally, I found it interesting how this article and others similar kept referring to the Baltimore-Washington Parkway(MD-295) as I-295. Do most locals refer to it such?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on June 27, 2018, 03:20:20 PM
Very few people refer to that segment of MD 295 as I-295. It's usually referred to as the B-W Parkway, the Parkway, or "295" . The SHA maintains a complete log of the route in the relevant Highway Location Reference PDFs, and in those documents it is logged as MD 295 throughout.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: abefroman329 on June 27, 2018, 03:35:35 PM
When living in DC, I thought of the entire route from I-295 north to be DC/MD-295.

Personally, and all other things being equal, I'd prefer they pursued a new or upgraded route that would mean the B/W Parkway didn't need to be used as a commuter route at all.  I don't see how you upgrade it without destroying its character, and I'd hate to see something similar happen to the GW Parkway, Rock Creek Parkway, or any other NPS-maintained road.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 12:30:19 AM
The very first short section in MD from the state line to US 50 is actually MD 201. 201 goes off on its own road at that interchange, and north of there is the unnumbered (though internally MD 295) NPS-owned B-W Parkway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on June 28, 2018, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on June 27, 2018, 03:35:35 PM
Personally, and all other things being equal, I'd prefer they pursued a new or upgraded route that would mean the B/W Parkway didn't need to be used as a commuter route at all.  I don't see how you upgrade it without destroying its character, and I'd hate to see something similar happen to the GW Parkway, Rock Creek Parkway, or any other NPS-maintained road.

I think the B/W Parkway could be widened to 6 lanes without destroying too much of its character, as has already been done closer to Baltimore. 8 lanes though? Highly unlikely. IMO I-95 between the Beltways is the one that should get four new HOT lanes while the B/W Parkway between the Beltways should be converted to rush hour HOT lanes similar to I-66 inside the Beltway. Use the toll revenue collected from these HOT lanes to complete six laneing the B/W Parkway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2018, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on June 28, 2018, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on June 27, 2018, 03:35:35 PM
Personally, and all other things being equal, I'd prefer they pursued a new or upgraded route that would mean the B/W Parkway didn't need to be used as a commuter route at all.  I don't see how you upgrade it without destroying its character, and I'd hate to see something similar happen to the GW Parkway, Rock Creek Parkway, or any other NPS-maintained road.

I think the B/W Parkway could be widened to 6 lanes without destroying too much of its character, as has already been done closer to Baltimore. 8 lanes though? Highly unlikely. IMO I-95 between the Beltways is the one that should get four new HOT lanes while the B/W Parkway between the Beltways should be converted to rush hour HOT lanes similar to I-66 inside the Beltway. Use the toll revenue collected from these HOT lanes to complete six laneing the B/W Parkway.

All Maryland toll roads and toll crossings (with two minor exceptions along the Potomac River, White's Ferry and the Oldtown Toll Bridge, both of which are privately-owned and regulated by the Maryland Public Service Commission) have (since the early 1970's) been run by the MDTA, and as a result, all debt issued is "non-recourse" toll revenue bonds, secured by the revenues collected by all Maryland toll facilities in one "basket."  That lowers the risk of default and the interest rate too.  Holders of Maryland toll revenue bonds cannot look to state taxpayers to pay them back in the event of default, hence "non-recourse."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2018, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 12:30:19 AM
The very first short section in MD from the state line to US 50 is actually MD 201. 201 goes off on its own road at that interchange, and north of there is the unnumbered (though internally MD 295) NPS-owned B-W Parkway.

It is an internal reference route by the state only (in the style of New York State reference routes), but as far as the National Park Service is concerned, the federal part of the road is simply the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: abefroman329 on June 28, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 12:30:19 AM
The very first short section in MD from the state line to US 50 is actually MD 201. 201 goes off on its own road at that interchange, and north of there is the unnumbered (though internally MD 295) NPS-owned B-W Parkway.

It's not unnumbered - here is one example:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1849487,-76.6750159,3a,75y,264.49h,107.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfF7MgJI1JxAo9mFZDdn-bA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on June 28, 2018, 11:03:39 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on June 28, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 12:30:19 AM
The very first short section in MD from the state line to US 50 is actually MD 201. 201 goes off on its own road at that interchange, and north of there is the unnumbered (though internally MD 295) NPS-owned B-W Parkway.

It's not unnumbered - here is one example:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1849487,-76.6750159,3a,75y,264.49h,107.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfF7MgJI1JxAo9mFZDdn-bA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The B/W Parkway is unnumbered from the US-50/MD-201 interchange to the MD-175 interchange. Heres an example of its interchange with the Capital Beltway: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9945939,-76.8888901,3a,25.4y,151.66h,93.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV7OgHidVSQBcDAaAg0r6Tg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

North of MD-175 the state picks up ownership of the road and signs it as MD-295.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 11:07:58 AM
Yes, that's what I meant. Maryland sees the entire Parkway as MD 295, but the NPS section has no signed number. It's like PennDOT using 7076 and other 7xxx designations for the Turnpike roads that they don't own or maintain.

The weird thing about MD 201 though is that it's actually signed (https://goo.gl/maps/gkrTysuQ9bF2) (at least from some places) on the connecting segment to DC 295. I don't think there's any mention of DC 295 at all in MD, only To I-295.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 11:07:58 AM
Yes, that's what I meant. Maryland sees the entire Parkway as MD 295, but the NPS section has no signed number. It's like PennDOT using 7076 and other 7xxx designations for the Turnpike roads that they don't own or maintain.

The weird thing about MD 201 though is that it's actually signed (https://goo.gl/maps/gkrTysuQ9bF2) (at least from some places) on the connecting segment to DC 295. I don't think there's any mention of DC 295 at all in MD, only To I-295.
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The signs on the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and most of them on U.S. 50 east and west of the interchange pre-date the official designation of Kenilworth Avenue, N.E. and the northern part of the Anacostia Freeway as SR (or D.C.) 295.  Hence TO I-295.  Were the signs to be replaced now, I think there would be reference to D.C. 295.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on June 28, 2018, 11:07:58 AM
Yes, that's what I meant. Maryland sees the entire Parkway as MD 295, but the NPS section has no signed number. It's like PennDOT using 7076 and other 7xxx designations for the Turnpike roads that they don't own or maintain.

The weird thing about MD 201 though is that it's actually signed (https://goo.gl/maps/gkrTysuQ9bF2) (at least from some places) on the connecting segment to DC 295. I don't think there's any mention of DC 295 at all in MD, only To I-295.

The signs on the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and most of them on U.S. 50 east and west of the interchange pre-date the official designation of Kenilworth Avenue, N.E. and the northern part of the Anacostia Freeway as SR (or D.C.) 295.  Hence TO I-295.  Were the signs to be replaced now, I think there would be reference to D.C. 295.

Oh really? How long ago was DC 295 first signed? Did it just have no posted number before that, like the NPS-owned parkway? Also your quote is broken.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on June 29, 2018, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
The signs on the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and most of them on U.S. 50 east and west of the interchange pre-date the official designation of Kenilworth Avenue, N.E. and the northern part of the Anacostia Freeway as SR (or D.C.) 295.  Hence TO I-295.  Were the signs to be replaced now, I think there would be reference to D.C. 295.

CPZ, Have you not seen the new mileposts that went up on the DC-295 section after they put in the sorely needed exit from S/B DC-295 to I-695?  Notice they are the new style with the route marker, and the route marker is a DC-295 shield.

That said, prior to that construction, I'd only ever seen ONE DC-295 reassurance marker, and it looked very old and faded.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 29, 2018, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: tckma on June 29, 2018, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
The signs on the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and most of them on U.S. 50 east and west of the interchange pre-date the official designation of Kenilworth Avenue, N.E. and the northern part of the Anacostia Freeway as SR (or D.C.) 295.  Hence TO I-295.  Were the signs to be replaced now, I think there would be reference to D.C. 295.

CPZ, Have you not seen the new mileposts that went up on the DC-295 section after they put in the sorely needed exit from S/B DC-295 to I-695?  Notice they are the new style with the route marker, and the route marker is a DC-295 shield.

That said, prior to that construction, I'd only ever seen ONE DC-295 reassurance marker, and it looked very old and faded.
There were at least 3 until recently and they were more dirty than faded, but I've noticed them disappearing.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 29, 2018, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: tckma on June 29, 2018, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 28, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
The signs on the southbound side of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and most of them on U.S. 50 east and west of the interchange pre-date the official designation of Kenilworth Avenue, N.E. and the northern part of the Anacostia Freeway as SR (or D.C.) 295.  Hence TO I-295.  Were the signs to be replaced now, I think there would be reference to D.C. 295.

CPZ, Have you not seen the new mileposts that went up on the DC-295 section after they put in the sorely needed exit from S/B DC-295 to I-695?  Notice they are the new style with the route marker, and the route marker is a DC-295 shield.

That said, prior to that construction, I'd only ever seen ONE DC-295 reassurance marker, and it looked very old and faded.

Yes, those are a big  improvement, though they were only installed from  the 11th Street Bridge, S.E. interchange to Pennsylvania Avenue, S.E. They should be in place all the way north  to Eastern Avenue.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 30, 2018, 07:34:55 PM
Washington  Post: Maryland races to catch up with Virginia in toll road projects (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/maryland-races-to-catch-up-with-virginia-in-toll-road-projects/2018/06/30/9fda9b48-7a33-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html?utm_term=.2d332997a8fe)

QuoteMaryland is racing to catch up with Virginia in tolling its roads, planning not only to modernize old toll facilities but also orchestrating a mammoth network of new toll lanes in its Washington suburbs.

QuoteThe most tangible expansion in the works is a $1.1 billion extension of the express toll lanes in the Interstate 95 corridor, north of Baltimore, where construction is expected to begin next year. But an even more ambitious plan would add toll lanes on the Capital Beltway (Interstate 495), Interstate 270 and the Baltimore-Washington Parkway (Interstate 295).

QuoteThe $9 billion project, announced in September, would be the biggest such public-private partnership in the country, and could require years if not decades to build. But Maryland is taking key steps this summer to advance it.

QuoteState transportation officials are scheduled to present preliminary construction alternatives for the plan in July , providing the most detail to date of what the project might look like on I-270 and the Beltway. The program would allow the construction of four toll lanes on each of the highways, potentially more than doubling the state's existing toll network of 124 centerline miles.

Related article about extending toll lanes to the Virginia side of the American Legion Bridge here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7481.msg2338462#msg2338462).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on June 30, 2018, 08:50:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 30, 2018, 07:34:55 PM
Washington comPost: Maryland races to catch up with Virginia in toll road projects
QuoteMaryland is racing to catch up with Virginia in tolling its roads, planning not only to modernize old toll facilities but also orchestrating a mammoth network of new toll lanes in its Washington suburbs.

They need to focus first on the I-495 segment between Virginia and I-270, given Virginia's focus on the segment between VA-267 and the river.  Add two HOT lanes each way.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 01, 2018, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on June 30, 2018, 08:50:45 PM
They need to focus first on the I-495 segment between Virginia and I-270, given Virginia's focus on the segment between VA-267 and the river.  Add two HOT lanes each way.

IMO that is as good of a place as any.  Not sure if that is what MDOT has in mind. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on July 07, 2018, 09:20:54 AM
More of U.S. 113 is now dualized.

https://www.oceancitytoday.com/news/route-s-third-phase-finally-open/article_8e8312de-8088-11e8-ab9c-77910c6979f1.html

Judging from the construction visible on Google Sat, 113 is now dualized from DE 1 north of Milford, to 5 Mile Branch Rd. between Newark, MD and Snow Hill.  The last remaining 2-lane stretch, about 4 miles in length, runs from 5 Mile Branch Rd. to just north of MD 365 from which the dual road runs all the way to U.S. 13.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 19, 2018, 12:40:54 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aegis/ph-ag-belvidere-interchange-study-0720-story.html
QuotePreliminary studies are in the works that could eventually lead to building another Interstate 95 interchange in Cecil County to serve the growing business and industrial community between Perryville and North East.

A public informational open house to discuss what is called the I-95 at Belvidere Road Transportation Improvement Study will be held July 31, from 5 to 8 p.m., at Cecil College, 1 Seahawk Drive in North East.

The open house is hosted by the Maryland Transportation Authority, which operates I-95 and is working in conjunction with the Federal Highway Administration to conduct a NEPA study — National Environmental Policy Act — to identify potential improvements to the interstate highway and other nearby highways, according to MDTA.

There won't be any formal presentations or specific plans shown at the open house, according to John Sales, an MDTA spokesperson. Staff will be on-hand to answer questions and hear comments and maps of the study area and existing highway network and other information will be available, he said.
"We're at an early stage,"  Sales said. "We'd like to receive public comments in person or through our website or through comment cards"  that will be available at the open house.

The study area encompasses a 7.6-mile stretch of I-95 between the Route 222 interchange in Perryville and the Route 272 interchange in North East. Within the area is the 1,000-acre Principio Business Park, home to a recently opened 1.1-million-square-foot Amazon fulfillment center and dozens of other businesses, with more coming, including German grocery chain Lidl's first U.S. distribution center and Medline Industries, a medical products maker and distributor which is moving from a smaller facility in Aberdeen.

The business park is a development of Stewart Properties of Perryville and York, Pa.
The Amazon center deal involved financial incentives from the state and county governments. Gov. Larry Hogan visited the fulfillment center in March.
Also included in the transportation study area is the York Building Products and Mason-Dixon sand quarries just north of I-95 and thousands of other undeveloped acres between I-95 and Route 40 which lie in a state and county designated Principio Enterprise Zone.

Jennifer Lyall, spokesperson for Cecil County government, said county officials have scheduled an internal meeting to discuss the potential highway improvements but haven't taken a position yet.
"Obviously we are going to be interested in the results of the study,"  she said Wednesday afternoon.

Sales, of the MDTA, said the industrial/commercial development between Perryville and North East is driving the study, but he also said it could be years before an interchange could be built and other related improvements are added.

Belvidere Road is a county road. It crosses I-95 just west of the Chesapeake House Travel Plaza complex and goes through the Principio Business Park property before ending at Route 40.
Study information and online comment is available on the MDTA's website.

The potential interchange's proximity to the Chesapeake House will probably play a big factor in what type of interchange design is eventually chosen.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on July 19, 2018, 08:13:34 PM
Has the short US 219 bypass north of I-68 gone to construction yet? It was supposed to start this past Spring, but I can't find any news later than 2017.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on July 20, 2018, 10:08:00 AM
Quote7/16/2018 This project is currently 12% complete.

Current Work:
This Design/Build contract is still in the design phase.
Work by the contractor has not begun.
Quote4/10/2018 They are currently in the design phase. They recently completed tree clearing. With this being a design build project the Notice to proceed and contract start date are actually referring to the start of the Design Build Team's design phase with actual construction anticipated to begin during August 2018
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=GA6465211
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 20, 2018, 03:06:21 PM
The project page states that this portion of the overall project was separately broken out. Does this mean that the construction will only install partial access controls, and retain the current Alt US 40 intersection and the diamond interchange with I-68? There are no documents or maps posted on this particular project page yet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on July 20, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
Here's the pdf of the plan:
http://www.us219northmd.com/docs/US%20219_Alt%204%20Modified%20Rollplot_20170213_edited_V3.pdf

This part of the project doesn't reach the state line.  This is still about 1.3 miles short of the line.  So I'd assume that the part to the state line would be built when PA does their part from Meyersdale to the state line. 

There's been some discussion of this in the PA US 219 thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2269.msg2229289#msg2229289).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on July 23, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
more than half of the time i'm heading SB on Sunday from the greater Philly area, I-95 between the DE state line and the express lanes is operating at LOS E or F. i'm aware of the plan to extend the express lanes north to MD 24, but are there any other plans for improvements between there and the DE state line? or, at the minimum, have there been any studies that show where the actual breakdowns in flow originate?

if this has been discussed previously, please throw me a link - i didn't have any luck on the board search.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 23, 2018, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: odditude on July 23, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
more than half of the time i'm heading SB on Sunday from the greater Philly area, I-95 between the DE state line and the express lanes is operating at LOS E or F. i'm aware of the plan to extend the express lanes north to MD 24, but are there any other plans for improvements between there and the DE state line? or, at the minimum, have there been any studies that show where the actual breakdowns in flow originate?

I am not aware of any published studies beyond the master plan document that MDTA did quite a few years ago.

Yes, I think the Express Toll Lanes do help.

I also think there are less incidents on the eight-lane cross section south of MD-24 as opposed to the six-lane section from the Delaware line south to MD-24.   I usually avoid much of southbound I-95 and related roads (such as the New Jersey Turnpike) from south of about Exit 4 on the Turnpike to Exit 77 (MD-24), all of which seems to have more than its fair share of incidents, and that also means not paying the tolls on the Delaware Turnpike. 

Last time did this trip, I exited the N.J. Turnpike at Exit 4 Exit 3, took NJ-168 to I-295 to U.S. 130 to U.S. 322, crossing the Commodore Barry Bridge, then south on I-95 and I-495 to U.S. 13, then south on U.S. 13 to U.S. 40 west, which I followed all the way to MD-24.  There were some delays at the lights, but none of them were severe, and there was plenty of red and dark red coloring on I-95 in Delaware and  Maryland that I avoided.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2018, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 23, 2018, 02:59:23 PM
...Last time did this trip, I exited the N.J. Turnpike at Exit 3, took NJ-168 to I-295 to U.S. 130 to U.S. 322, crossing the Commodore Barry Bridge...

Fixed.  Unless you took Exit 4 to NJ 73 to 295 South.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 23, 2018, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusI also think there are less incidents on the eight-lane cross section south of MD-24 as opposed to the six-lane section from the Delaware line south to MD-24.

I'd hazard a bet that has more to do with the Susquehanna crossing and the topography on both sides than it does being 6 lanes versus 8.

In fact, I'd argue the Tydings Bridge is one of the primary trouble spots that odditude was alluding to.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 23, 2018, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 23, 2018, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusI also think there are less incidents on the eight-lane cross section south of MD-24 as opposed to the six-lane section from the Delaware line south to MD-24.

I'd hazard a bet that has more to do with the Susquehanna crossing and the topography on both sides than it does being 6 lanes versus 8.

In fact, I'd argue the Tydings Bridge is one of the primary trouble spots that odditude was alluding to.

From my experience, the worst is south of MD 22 down to MD 24, especially between MD 543 and MD 24.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 24, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
The worst traffic?  Or the worst frequency/severity of incidents?  I'll agree to the former south of 22...but the latter, at least empirically, is in the Susquehanna River vicinity.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 24, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2018, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 23, 2018, 02:59:23 PM
...Last time did this trip, I exited the N.J. Turnpike at Exit 3, took NJ-168 to I-295 to U.S. 130 to U.S. 322, crossing the Commodore Barry Bridge...

Fixed.  Unless you took Exit 4 to NJ 73 to 295 South.

No, it was 3.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 24, 2018, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 23, 2018, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusI also think there are less incidents on the eight-lane cross section south of MD-24 as opposed to the six-lane section from the Delaware line south to MD-24.

I'd hazard a bet that has more to do with the Susquehanna crossing and the topography on both sides than it does being 6 lanes versus 8.

In fact, I'd argue the Tydings Bridge is one of the primary trouble spots that odditude was alluding to.

There's a pretty sharp set of curves between the south (west) landing of the Millard Tydings and the MD-155 (Exit 89) interchange, and a short but relatively steep climb.

That causes problems for I-95 southbound traffic rather frequently.

I am not even considering the frequent cross winds on  the Millard Tydings, which are also a problem (and there are signs warning of same on the approaches).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 24, 2018, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 24, 2018, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 23, 2018, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusI also think there are less incidents on the eight-lane cross section south of MD-24 as opposed to the six-lane section from the Delaware line south to MD-24.

I'd hazard a bet that has more to do with the Susquehanna crossing and the topography on both sides than it does being 6 lanes versus 8.

In fact, I'd argue the Tydings Bridge is one of the primary trouble spots that odditude was alluding to.

There's a pretty sharp set of curves between the south (west) landing of the Millard Tydings and the MD-155 (Exit 89) interchange, and a short but relatively steep climb.

That causes problems for I-95 southbound traffic rather frequently.

I am not even considering the frequent cross winds on  the Millard Tydings, which are also a problem (and there are signs warning of same on the approaches).

Add in the fear some people have of this flat but high bridge.  One of the guys in my carpool goes over this bridge regularly, and comments how he hates looking over the sides and thus drives the left or center lane.  Knowing him and how he reacts to such things he's probably barely doing 50 or 55 mph. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on July 24, 2018, 01:44:47 PM
Geez, I'd hate to see how he feels about going across the Bay Bridge...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on July 25, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
Quote from: odditude on July 23, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
more than half of the time i'm heading SB on Sunday from the greater Philly area, I-95 between the DE state line and the express lanes is operating at LOS E or F. i'm aware of the plan to extend the express lanes north to MD 24, but are there any other plans for improvements between there and the DE state line? or, at the minimum, have there been any studies that show where the actual breakdowns in flow originate?

if this has been discussed previously, please throw me a link - i didn't have any luck on the board search.

"LOS E or F"?  Could a road geek please explain the term to us laity?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on July 25, 2018, 08:05:34 AM
Quote from: ixnay on July 25, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
"LOS E or F"?  Could a road geek please explain the term to us laity?
ixnay
Level of Service. "A"=Traffic will let me go as fast as I want; "F"=I could get there quicker if I were walking.

Actually, there are more technical definitions, but you get the gist.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on July 25, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on July 25, 2018, 08:05:34 AM
Quote from: ixnay on July 25, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
"LOS E or F"?  Could a road geek please explain the term to us laity?
ixnay
Level of Service. "A"=Traffic will let me go as fast as I want; "F"=I could get there quicker if I were walking.

Actually, there are more technical definitions, but you get the gist.

more detail is available at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_service).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on July 25, 2018, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: odditude on July 25, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on July 25, 2018, 08:05:34 AM
Quote from: ixnay on July 25, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
"LOS E or F"?  Could a road geek please explain the term to us laity?
ixnay
Level of Service. "A"=Traffic will let me go as fast as I want; "F"=I could get there quicker if I were walking.

Actually, there are more technical definitions, but you get the gist.

more detail is available at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_service).

Thanks, people.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2018, 11:58:41 PM
Baltimore Sun/The Aegis: Proposed I-95 interchange in Cecil draws concerns and praise (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aegis/ph-ag-interchange-meeting-0803-story.html)

QuoteSome Cecil County residents are concerned an additional Interstate 95 interchange between Perryville and North East could bring greater traffic headaches to their neighborhood, while other residents and county leaders say it would help economic development and alleviate traffic congestion on area highways.

Quote"This is essential to Cecil County's continued economic growth,"  Chris Moyer, director of the county's office of economic development, said.

QuoteMoyer, along with other county government leaders, was among at least 76 people who attended an open house on the project, hosted by the Maryland Transportation Authority, in the Technology Center at Cecil College Tuesday evening.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on August 01, 2018, 12:01:00 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2018, 11:58:41 PM
Baltimore Sun/The Aegis: Proposed I-95 interchange in Cecil draws concerns and praise (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aegis/ph-ag-interchange-meeting-0803-story.html)

QuoteSome Cecil County residents are concerned an additional Interstate 95 interchange between Perryville and North East could bring greater traffic headaches to their neighborhood, while other residents and county leaders say it would help economic development and alleviate traffic congestion on area highways.

Quote"This is essential to Cecil County's continued economic growth,"  Chris Moyer, director of the county's office of economic development, said.

QuoteMoyer, along with other county government leaders, was among at least 76 people who attended an open house on the project, hosted by the Maryland Transportation Authority, in the Technology Center at Cecil College Tuesday evening.
How about between Joppa and White Marsh? Would spur development closer in to the city, and help provide an alternate route during backups.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 01, 2018, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 01, 2018, 12:01:00 AM
How about between Joppa and White Marsh? Would spur development closer in to the city, and help provide an alternate route during backups.

I agree that this is a good idea.

I suspect that the Baltimore County Council and the Baltimore County planning staff might not agree, especially if it is outside the URDL (urban/rural demarcation line, pronounced urr-dull, map here (http://resources.baltimorecountymd.gov/Documents/Planning/maps/urdl8x112013.pdf), a de-facto and de-jure urban growth boundary).

Of course, the URDL becomes meaningless beyond the Little Gunpowder Falls, because that's the border with Harford County.  But there's only one possible place for an interchange there, and that's at the Old Joppa Road overpass, which is I presume is too close to the MD-152 interchange to be viable.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 13, 2018, 11:23:45 AM
Went by the interchange construction project at MD-4 (Pennsylvania Avenue Extended) and Suitland Parkway near Joint Base Andrews in Prince George's County. 

Does not appear that much has been going on here - and there was a multi-car crash in the intersection as a bonus.

This section of MD-4 (between Dower House Road and Westphalia Road, including Suitland Parkway, might be the section of Maryland's highway network that I dislike the most.  Inexcusably (IMO), MD-4 has been like this since the 1960's (with three at-grade intersections) when the Capital Beltway was completed.  At least this signalized intersection will be gone in 2020 (according to the Web site below). 

I looked on the SHA Web site (project PG618_51 (http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=PG6185116)), and apparently the contractor has been relocating a water line, hence the apparent lack of visible progress.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 20, 2018, 10:03:26 PM
The long, slow widening of MD 32 north of Clarksville continues:

http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectPhotos.aspx?projectno=HO1415113#

The new southbound carriageway is in partial use for both directions of traffic. Most of the major earthworks are done, with the exception of the road grade at the Linden Church Road interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 21, 2018, 02:44:30 PM
Yeah.... that's how it was a day shy of two weeks ago.  (I used MD-32 on the way back from the beach)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 25, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
The Brookeville bypass in Montgomery County, MD officially began construction today.

https://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=MO7465115

This is a big deal - the existing route of MD 97 through the town is a small, picturesque city street that is grossly incapable of handling the huge volume of commuter and long-distance traffic between the DC suburbs and the neighborhoods of Howard and Caroll Counties.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on September 26, 2018, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 25, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
The Brookeville bypass in Montgomery County, MD officially began construction today.

https://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectInformation.aspx?projectno=MO7465115

This is a big deal - the existing route of MD 97 through the town is a small, picturesque city street that is grossly incapable of handling the huge volume of commuter and long-distance traffic between the DC suburbs and the neighborhoods of Howard and Caroll Counties.

Wow, no idea they were even considering that.  I've never found that area to be a problem, though you certainly have to slow down.  It also isn't that often I find myself coming home from Montgomery County via MD-97.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 13, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
Another link in the US 219 improvement project was announced by Governor Hogan.

http://governor.maryland.gov/2018/10/13/hogan-administration-announces-long-awaited-us-219-realignment-construction-project-in-garrett-county/

While the US 219 expansion into PA is important, I'd argue that bypassing downtown Oakland with a moder, limited-access US 219 is more important. I hope the Oakland bypass eventually gets selected and built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on October 13, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 13, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
Another link in the US 219 improvement project was announced by Governor Hogan.

http://governor.maryland.gov/2018/10/13/hogan-administration-announces-long-awaited-us-219-realignment-construction-project-in-garrett-county/

While the US 219 expansion into PA is important, I'd argue that bypassing downtown Oakland with a moder, limited-access US 219 is more important. I hope the Oakland bypass eventually gets selected and built.

I thought construction already started last spring?

Also, for some reason the website for this project is just gone.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on October 15, 2018, 11:41:40 AM
I can't say I support the fourth I-95 interchange in Cecil County.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on October 16, 2018, 03:30:17 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 13, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 13, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
Another link in the US 219 improvement project was announced by Governor Hogan.

http://governor.maryland.gov/2018/10/13/hogan-administration-announces-long-awaited-us-219-realignment-construction-project-in-garrett-county/

While the US 219 expansion into PA is important, I'd argue that bypassing downtown Oakland with a moder, limited-access US 219 is more important. I hope the Oakland bypass eventually gets selected and built.

I thought construction already started last spring?

Also, for some reason the website for this project is just gone.

They cleared trees and did some building demolition this spring but that's as far as it went. I agree with TheOneKEA that an Oakland bypass would be a lot more useful.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ipeters61 on October 19, 2018, 01:33:59 PM
I was just looking over a map of Maryland/Delaware and noticed that the interchange for US-50-301/MD-2/MD-450 seems needlessly complicated (like, why does traffic from MD-2 to MD-450, the "straight" movement at this interchange, have to move around so much only to have to turn left at a stop sign onto MD-450?).  Were there plans for a full expressway in the area at one point? 

(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HJcDCZE.png)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on October 19, 2018, 05:31:30 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on October 19, 2018, 01:33:59 PM
I was just looking over a map of Maryland/Delaware and noticed that the interchange for US-50-301/MD-2/MD-450 seems needlessly complicated (like, why does traffic from MD-2 to MD-450, the "straight" movement at this interchange, have to move around so much only to have to turn left at a stop sign onto MD-450?).  Were there plans for a full expressway in the area at one point? 

I believe they largely utilized/retained the original layout dating back to the 1950s
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on October 19, 2018, 08:16:35 PM
The bulk of MD 2 traffic is also going to/from US 50 which is why the MD 450 movements seem like an afterthought.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on October 19, 2018, 09:12:09 PM
The interchange is 100% unchanged since the mid-50s.

The 1944 top shows a giant Y intersection with what is now US 50 WB splitting to northwest and southeast to reach MD 2.  The SE leg is still in use as the ramp from 450 to 50 EB and the weird ramp 2 uses to stay on 450.  The NW leg is partially occupied by the ramp from 50 WB to 2 NB.

It appears this weird setup is because of the railroad bridge that used to be just west of this interchange.  The clover ramp from 50 WB to 450 would not have fit had the original through movement of 2 SB not been shifted to head more easterly as it does today.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on October 19, 2018, 11:13:42 PM
The did a simple widening of US-50 when they 6-laned it about 25 years ago, utilized narrow shoulders at the bridges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on October 24, 2018, 09:22:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on June 12, 2018, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: BrianP on June 12, 2018, 10:11:47 AM
The new Dover Bridge opens tomorrow.  They don't call it an opening.  I guess that's since they'll have formal opening ceremony later.
http://www.marylandroads.com/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3171
TRAFFIC SHIFT TUESDAY AFTERNOON ON THE DOVER BRIDGE OVER THE CHOPTANK RIVER
QuoteThe Maryland Department of Transportation State Highway Administration (MDOT SHA) will begin employing a configuration change on MD 331 (Dover Road) at the Caroline/Talbot County line. The traffic shift will involve changing primary travel from the old Dover Bridge to the new lanes of traffic on the new Dover Bridge. The traffic switch to the new bridge will be in place by tomorrow afternoon, June 12.
Good!  It looked nearly complete when I last saw it on May 2nd.  Seems like the last 2 spans on the east end got delayed for over a year for some reason, the rest of the bridge was complete back then.  Also the filled section of roadway east of there across wetlands had be widened and shifted.

I drove it for my first time today.  Nice!  A good view from the high point, of the Choptank River and wetlands nearby.  The bridge is longer than I envisioned, as it bridges not just across the river but a large area of wetlands as well.  Final course of asphalt pavement still to be applied to the approach roadways.

Forgot to bring my camera ... there are some good views of the bridge, but I will have to wait until next time.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 25, 2018, 07:24:02 AM
This year's installment of WTOP's "Ghost Roads"  is about an abandoned bridge near Frederick:

https://wtop.com/local/2018/10/ghost-roads-v-not-all-who-wander-are-lost-on-outskirts-of-frederick/slide/1/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 26, 2018, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 25, 2018, 07:24:02 AM
This year's installment of WTOP's "Ghost Roads"  is about an abandoned bridge near Frederick:

https://wtop.com/local/2018/10/ghost-roads-v-not-all-who-wander-are-lost-on-outskirts-of-frederick/slide/1/

I've wanted to get a close up look at this bridge for some time, but I could never figure out how to visit it without having to worry about trespassing.

It would be nice if the bridge could be partially rehabilitated and used for pedestrian traffic across the Monocacy River.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 26, 2018, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 26, 2018, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 25, 2018, 07:24:02 AM
This year's installment of WTOP's "Ghost Roads"  is about an abandoned bridge near Frederick:

https://wtop.com/local/2018/10/ghost-roads-v-not-all-who-wander-are-lost-on-outskirts-of-frederick/slide/1/ (https://wtop.com/local/2018/10/ghost-roads-v-not-all-who-wander-are-lost-on-outskirts-of-frederick/slide/1/)

I've wanted to get a close up look at this bridge for some time, but I could never figure out how to visit it without having to worry about trespassing.

It would be nice if the bridge could be partially rehabilitated and used for pedestrian traffic across the Monocacy River.
I find the best way is to park after the bridge and walk back along 144 WB.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 28, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
Traffic on MD 213 through Centreville, both directions of which had been routed along Commerce St. due to construction, now follows Liberty St. (both ways).

https://www.myeasternshoremd.com/qa/spotlight/traffic-flow-shifts-to-liberty-street/article_ff69338f-b5ee-5c5f-8cb5-d3a355586106.html

Before the construction started, Commerce St. was one way northbound (handling NB MD 213) while Liberty St. was one way southbound and handled SB 213.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 31, 2018, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: BrianP on April 18, 2017, 11:39:19 AM
This article gives a table of proposals and what was submitted:
http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/State-Puts-Forth-Plan-To-Add-Lanes-on-I-270-To-Reduce-Traffic-Congestion/
18 months later, the project identified as NB1 on the list (restriping to add a lane between Democracy Blvd on the I-270 spur and the Falls Road slip ramp) is being put into effect. About 2 weeks ago, I noticed that they'd ground off the stripes and painted new ones. After returning from out of town, I noticed yesterday that some of this stretch is being repaved. Because only part of the width has been repaved, it's too soon to tell what kind of effect this will have.
The restriping where I-270 spur dumps onto I-495S (making the RH beltway lane end after the junction, instead of the LH lane of the spur) was done quite some time ago, and seems to be helping traffic from upcounty head towards VA, admittedly to the detriment of traffic already on the beltway. But the jams up I-270 were always far worse than those coming down from Old Georgetown Road, so they've evened out a bit.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 31, 2018, 02:36:33 PM
SB2 is under construction.
SB5A is done.  I don't see it during rush hour to know what effect it has had.
I don't know of others making any progress.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 31, 2018, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: BrianP on May 01, 2018, 06:22:50 PM
Now that they've started the construction of the bridge piers for the bridge for exit 12 on I-270, it looks like the bridge will at least accommodate a 4x4x4 lane configuration.  Which that makes sense since the likely scenario is to build four HOT lanes in the middle of the highway.  The additional 4 lanes would be added on the south side of I-270 at that point.  Also there may be room for a CD lane or two on the outside.  Of course this is still several years down the road but it looks like they envisioned the likely outcome for expansion when designing this project.  Which of course is not surprising.  It's just interesting what can be construed from the design already.
Ok scratch that.  There's an extra set of bridge piers being constructed which means there's not room enough for 4x4x4. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 24, 2018, 10:03:41 AM
For no reason in particular, here's an article from The Aegis in Harford County about Thanksgiving travel:
(https://i.imgur.com/RRUbCOY.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on November 24, 2018, 10:36:01 AM
95 North was a wall of traffic in the usual spot (Bel Air) at 9 PM Tuesday night. Southbound, however, was free flowing. Guess it is a DC to NY pipeline.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 24, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 24, 2018, 10:36:01 AM
95 North was a wall of traffic in the usual spot (Bel Air) at 9 PM Tuesday night. Southbound, however, was free flowing. Guess it is a DC to NY pipeline.

It is getting to the point that I-95 needs to be continuously four lanes from the north portal of the Fort McHenry Tunnel all the way to the Delaware border. 

Of course, that includes the Millard Tydings Bridge at the  Susquehanna River.  Not cheap.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 24, 2018, 02:26:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 24, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
It is getting to the point that I-95 needs to be continuously four lanes from the north portal of the Fort McHenry Tunnel all the way to the Delaware border. 
Of course, that includes the Millard Tydings Bridge at the  Susquehanna River.  Not cheap.

Parallel bridge with four 12-foot lanes and two full shoulders. 
Existing bridge reconfigured for same.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 24, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusIt is getting to the point that I-95 needs to be continuously four lanes from the north portal of the Fort McHenry Tunnel all the way to the Delaware border. 

Do you have something besides the busiest travel holiday of the year to base that on?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 24, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: Beltway on November 24, 2018, 02:26:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 24, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
It is getting to the point that I-95 needs to be continuously four lanes from the north portal of the Fort McHenry Tunnel all the way to the Delaware border. 
Of course, that includes the Millard Tydings Bridge at the  Susquehanna River.  Not cheap.

Parallel bridge with four 12-foot lanes and two full shoulders. 
Existing bridge reconfigured for same.

I also believe that the ETLs should eventually be extended all the way up to Exit 89 (MD 155), in a 3-2-2-3 carriageway layout. The existing planned end of the ETLs at Exit 80 (MD 543) is too far south, in my opinion, to allow long-distance traffic to bypass local and regional traffic to and from Bel Air, Aberdeen and the Proving Ground. From my perspective, a 29-mile tolled facility is much more useful than a 20-mile tolled facility.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on November 24, 2018, 03:02:47 PM
Quote from: froggie on November 24, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusIt is getting to the point that I-95 needs to be continuously four lanes from the north portal of the Fort McHenry Tunnel all the way to the Delaware border. 

Do you have something besides the busiest travel holiday of the year to base that on?
Familiarity with the corridor - himself and me alike. He's right.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 24, 2018, 06:14:07 PM
Quote from: froggie on November 24, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusIt is getting to the point that I-95 needs to be continuously four lanes from the north portal of the Fort McHenry Tunnel all the way to the Delaware border. 

Do you have something besides the busiest travel holiday of the year to base that on?

Yes.  Never crossed on that day. 

But have been stuck in long queues of traffic on others days many times (though less since I have used Inrix to know when cross over to U.S. 40) and use that to bypass the worst of it.

Not for nothing did MDTA include Section 300 (North of MD-22 to North of MD-222, including the Millard Tydings Bridge) and Section 400 (North of MD-222 to the Delaware State Line) in its master plan for I-95 from Baltimore City to Delaware. 

Work on Section 200 (North of MD-43 to North of MD-22) is starting up this fiscal year.

When Section 200 is complete, there will be at least 6 freeway lanes each way from Elkridge in Howard County  north to a point north of MD-22 (from Elkridge north to the Baltimore City/Baltimore County line on the northeast side of the city, that includes I-895).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 24, 2018, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on November 24, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
I also believe that the ETLs should eventually be extended all the way up to Exit 89 (MD 155), in a 3-2-2-3 carriageway layout. The existing planned end of the ETLs at Exit 80 (MD 543) is too far south, in my opinion, to allow long-distance traffic to bypass local and regional traffic to and from Bel Air, Aberdeen and the Proving Ground. From my perspective, a 29-mile tolled facility is much more useful than a 20-mile tolled facility.

MDTA has logical termini that are defined in the I-95 Master Plan, and Section 300 runs from MD-22 to MD-222 and includes what you mention above. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on November 27, 2018, 12:17:26 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 24, 2018, 03:02:47 PM
Quote from: froggie on November 24, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacusIt is getting to the point that I-95 needs to be continuously four lanes from the north portal of the Fort McHenry Tunnel all the way to the Delaware border. 

Do you have something besides the busiest travel holiday of the year to base that on?
Familiarity with the corridor - himself and me alike. He's right.
agreed. on any given Sunday, travel time between the DE state line and the beginning of the Express Lanes varies from a half hour to over 2 - and it's purely from volume. source: plenty of trips from family in NJ to home in NOVA.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 28, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
Regarding I-95 at the Fort McHenry Tunnel, I noticed that the stubs for the flyovers to and from the unbuilt segment of I-83 are mostly intact. Considering that the opportunity to remove them was there and not taken, I'm curious if the MDTA intends to do anything with those stubs later.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 07, 2018, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on November 28, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
Regarding I-95 at the Fort McHenry Tunnel, I noticed that the stubs for the flyovers to and from the unbuilt segment of I-83 are mostly intact. Considering that the opportunity to remove them was there and not taken, I'm curious if the MDTA intends to do anything with those stubs later.

Any provision for I-83 to connect to I-95 in East Baltimore was removed from Baltimore City planning maps years ago. 

And beyond that there are some that want to cut-back I-83 so it does not end at President Street in Baltimore City.  Possibly converting I-83 to a boulevard-type of road south of East Eager Street.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on December 31, 2018, 02:26:05 PM
Great Wolf Lodge is scoping out a site in Perryville near the Hollywood Casino. Maybe the fourth I-95 Cecil County interchange will be useful after all.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on January 29, 2019, 11:23:46 AM
I notice on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, the beginning of the westbound express carriageway is built for four lanes, quickly merging to three as seen here (https://goo.gl/maps/A4ynDtyrNeu). I know the inner lanes are built for a third lane each way for a future widening of the Beltway, but were they also anticipating building another left-merging on-ramp here, perhaps from I-295? None of the earlier bridges for the westbound express carriageway are built for a fourth lane.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 29, 2019, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 29, 2019, 11:23:46 AM
I notice on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, the beginning of the westbound express carriageway is built for four lanes, quickly merging to three as seen here (https://goo.gl/maps/A4ynDtyrNeu). I know the inner lanes are built for a third lane each way for a future widening of the Beltway, but were they also anticipating building another left-merging on-ramp here, perhaps from I-295? None of the earlier bridges for the westbound express carriageway are built for a fourth lane.

Yes, that is the acceleration lane coming from a future ramp from I-295 SB to I-495 Express Inner Loop, and there would be a complimentary ramp for the opposite movement.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on January 29, 2019, 02:42:10 PM
I didn't see this posted:
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-bridge-replacements-20190128-story.html

So I wonder if some of the old signs on the bridges similiar to this one will finally get replaced, not that I want them to.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4326/35218836003_f98339ff57_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VEaJWp)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on January 29, 2019, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2019, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 29, 2019, 11:23:46 AM
I notice on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, the beginning of the westbound express carriageway is built for four lanes, quickly merging to three as seen here (https://goo.gl/maps/A4ynDtyrNeu). I know the inner lanes are built for a third lane each way for a future widening of the Beltway, but were they also anticipating building another left-merging on-ramp here, perhaps from I-295? None of the earlier bridges for the westbound express carriageway are built for a fourth lane.

Yes, that is the acceleration lane coming from a future ramp from I-295 SB to I-495 Express Inner Loop, and there would be a complimentary ramp for the opposite movement.

Considering that the portion of the Beltway isn't exactly traffic free, I hope both the 3rd thru lane and I-295 ramp connection are built soon. The longer they wait the likely more expensive it gets.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on January 29, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 29, 2019, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2019, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 29, 2019, 11:23:46 AM
I notice on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, the beginning of the westbound express carriageway is built for four lanes, quickly merging to three as seen here (https://goo.gl/maps/A4ynDtyrNeu). I know the inner lanes are built for a third lane each way for a future widening of the Beltway, but were they also anticipating building another left-merging on-ramp here, perhaps from I-295? None of the earlier bridges for the westbound express carriageway are built for a fourth lane.

Yes, that is the acceleration lane coming from a future ramp from I-295 SB to I-495 Express Inner Loop, and there would be a complimentary ramp for the opposite movement.

Considering that the portion of the Beltway isn't exactly traffic free, I hope both the 3rd thru lane and I-295 ramp connection are built soon. The longer they wait the likely more expensive it gets.

IIRC, the third express lane in each direction is already paved for almost its entire length (with the exception of short pieces on the VA side where it is only graded) and just needs a restripe. I think they just figured that it would be of limited benefit without also widening the Beltway to 10 or 12 lanes past the bridge on each side.

The new I-295 ramps, on the other hand, don't seem to have any hints of their planned existence aside from the merge space on the bridge that I mentioned as well as the extra median space on the Beltway. There aren't any stubs on 295.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on January 29, 2019, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 29, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 29, 2019, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2019, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 29, 2019, 11:23:46 AM
I notice on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, the beginning of the westbound express carriageway is built for four lanes, quickly merging to three as seen here (https://goo.gl/maps/A4ynDtyrNeu). I know the inner lanes are built for a third lane each way for a future widening of the Beltway, but were they also anticipating building another left-merging on-ramp here, perhaps from I-295? None of the earlier bridges for the westbound express carriageway are built for a fourth lane.

Yes, that is the acceleration lane coming from a future ramp from I-295 SB to I-495 Express Inner Loop, and there would be a complimentary ramp for the opposite movement.

Considering that the portion of the Beltway isn't exactly traffic free, I hope both the 3rd thru lane and I-295 ramp connection are built soon. The longer they wait the likely more expensive it gets.

IIRC, the third express lane in each direction is already paved for almost its entire length (with the exception of short pieces on the VA side where it is only graded) and just needs a restripe. I think they just figured that it would be of limited benefit without also widening the Beltway to 10 or 12 lanes past the bridge on each side.

Ah makes sense. Both Maryland and Virginia are probably waiting to see what comes of the Express Lanes talks regarding that section of the Beltway before deciding what to do with that extra space.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on January 31, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2019/01/new-american-legion-bridge-within-years-says-md-highway-administrator/
QuoteWASHINGTON – Soon after Virginia announced its plans to extend Express Lanes almost three miles from Tysons Corner to the American Legion Bridge, Maryland has confirmed a new bridge will be equipped to handle extra traffic.

Without committing to a precise timeline, Maryland's highway administrator Greg Slater said a new American Legion Bridge will be built within the next several years.

"We are focused on the bridge as our first order of business,"  Slater told WUSA9. "We want to get out there and move that traffic."
QuoteThe only way to address that bridge, and have more capacity on that bridge, is to build a new bridge,"  Slater said.

What's still not clear is the configuration of the bridge, although Slater confirmed to Channel 9 that the new bridge would have additional lanes to allow a seamless flow from Virginia Express Lane traffic into Maryland.

In 2017, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan announced plans for a public-private partnership to add toll lanes to I-270 and the Beltway, but didn't provide specifics on how the Legion Bridge, which was built in 1963, would carry traffic.

Slater said private developers interested in being part of the project are being directed to develop plans that would add new Beltway lanes within the Interstate's existing footprint, leaving open the possibilities of stacked roadways or travel underground.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 05:55:07 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 31, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2019/01/new-american-legion-bridge-within-years-says-md-highway-administrator/
QuoteWASHINGTON — Soon after Virginia announced its plans to extend Express Lanes almost three miles from Tysons Corner to the American Legion Bridge, Maryland has confirmed a new bridge will be equipped to handle extra traffic.

Without committing to a precise timeline, Maryland’s highway administrator Greg Slater said a new American Legion Bridge will be built within the next several years.

“We are focused on the bridge as our first order of business,” Slater told WUSA9. “We want to get out there and move that traffic.”
QuoteThe only way to address that bridge, and have more capacity on that bridge, is to build a new bridge,” Slater said.

What’s still not clear is the configuration of the bridge, although Slater confirmed to Channel 9 that the new bridge would have additional lanes to allow a seamless flow from Virginia Express Lane traffic into Maryland.

In 2017, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan announced plans for a public-private partnership to add toll lanes to I-270 and the Beltway, but didn’t provide specifics on how the Legion Bridge, which was built in 1963, would carry traffic.

Slater said private developers interested in being part of the project are being directed to develop plans that would add new Beltway lanes within the Interstate’s existing footprint, leaving open the possibilities of stacked roadways or travel underground.

This is good news!  If the bridge is widened to 14 lanes (1-4-2-2-4-1) that will be an expensive project. 

At 1,263 feet long it is much shorter than the Wilson Bridge, and does not need navigational clearance, but the banks on either side are elevated enough that the bridge still has considerable height above the river.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on January 31, 2019, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 05:55:07 PM
This is good news!  If the bridge is widened to 14 lanes (1-4-2-2-4-1) that will be an expensive project. 

At 1,263 feet long it is much shorter than the Wilson Bridge, and does not need navigational clearance, but the banks on either side are elevated enough that the bridge still has considerable height above the river.

So is the plan to widen the existing bridge or build an entirely new one? While building a new one would be enormously more expensive, the existing bridge is pretty old so simply widening it may not be a viable long term solution.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 31, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
^ I've heard it mentioned from several sources (including CP, IIRC) that any expansion of the Legion Bridge crossing will require a new bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
^ I've heard it mentioned from several sources (including CP, IIRC) that any expansion of the Legion Bridge crossing will require a new bridge.

Pretty much.  Six lanes were built in the early 1960s and the rest in the late 1980s.  Time for a completely new structure.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
^ I've heard it mentioned from several sources (including CP, IIRC) that any expansion of the Legion Bridge crossing will require a new bridge.

Pretty much.  Six lanes were built in the early 1960s and the rest in the late 1980s.  Time for a completely new structure.
The bridge would likely be unfeasible to widen. Though, a new structure would likely cost at least $1 billion in today's estimates.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
^ I've heard it mentioned from several sources (including CP, IIRC) that any expansion of the Legion Bridge crossing will require a new bridge.
Pretty much.  Six lanes were built in the early 1960s and the rest in the late 1980s.  Time for a completely new structure.
The bridge would likely be unfeasible to widen. Though, a new structure would likely cost at least $1 billion in today's estimates.

Doubtful.  The Wilson Bridge cost $830 million and is 5 times as long and twice as high.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 31, 2019, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2018, 11:58:41 PM
Baltimore Sun/The Aegis: Proposed I-95 interchange in Cecil draws concerns and praise (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aegis/ph-ag-interchange-meeting-0803-story.html)

QuoteSome Cecil County residents are concerned an additional Interstate 95 interchange between Perryville and North East could bring greater traffic headaches to their neighborhood, while other residents and county leaders say it would help economic development and alleviate traffic congestion on area highways.

Quote"This is essential to Cecil County's continued economic growth,"  Chris Moyer, director of the county's office of economic development, said.

QuoteMoyer, along with other county government leaders, was among at least 76 people who attended an open house on the project, hosted by the Maryland Transportation Authority, in the Technology Center at Cecil College Tuesday evening.
Yikes! Even if they had a folding diamond on the west side of the Belvidere Road bridge, you've still got a big risk of people cutting across six lanes of traffic to get between there and Chesapeake House.

Too close, man. Too close.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
^ I've heard it mentioned from several sources (including CP, IIRC) that any expansion of the Legion Bridge crossing will require a new bridge.
Pretty much.  Six lanes were built in the early 1960s and the rest in the late 1980s.  Time for a completely new structure.
The bridge would likely be unfeasible to widen. Though, a new structure would likely cost at least $1 billion in today's estimates.

Doubtful.  The Wilson Bridge cost $830 million and is 5 times as long and twice as high.
At least $500 million. Remember, you're dealing with a sensitive area, and constructing brand new bridges + approach. A project would likely tackle a bridge replacement + HO/T to I-270, so for that you can estimate $1 - $1.5 billion.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 11:23:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
^ I've heard it mentioned from several sources (including CP, IIRC) that any expansion of the Legion Bridge crossing will require a new bridge.
Pretty much.  Six lanes were built in the early 1960s and the rest in the late 1980s.  Time for a completely new structure.
The bridge would likely be unfeasible to widen. Though, a new structure would likely cost at least $1 billion in today's estimates.
Doubtful.  The Wilson Bridge cost $830 million and is 5 times as long and twice as high.
At least $500 million. Remember, you're dealing with a sensitive area, and constructing brand new bridges + approach. A project would likely tackle a bridge replacement + HO/T to I-270, so for that you can estimate $1 - $1.5 billion.

I was speaking of the bridge itself, which is about 1,300 feet long.  WWB is 6,100 feet long.

Widening of roadway and (maybe replacing) bridges for the 3 miles between there and I-270 would naturally add to the overall costs.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 31, 2019, 11:41:30 PM
Would also note that Wilson was constructed with parallel roadways while maintaining traffic on the existing bridge. Legion bridge has no way to do that, with the parks on either side it'll have to be widening along the alignment, which adds a lot of complexity to staging and construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 31, 2019, 11:41:30 PM
Would also note that Wilson was constructed with parallel roadways while maintaining traffic on the existing bridge. Legion bridge has no way to do that, with the parks on either side it'll have to be widening along the alignment, which adds a lot of complexity to staging and construction.

The Clara Barton Parkway interchange is also mostly on parkland, and the Beltway crosses parkland near the Cabin John Parkway interchange.

I would probably build 4 lanes of new bridge with a 12-foot right shoulder on the east side of the bridge, vacate and replace the current 5 lanes of Inner Loop bridge, put the Outer Loop traffic there, and then replace the 5 lanes of Outer Loop bridge.

The bridge really needs to have 7 lanes each way (AUX-GP-GP-GP-GP-H-H) and with 12-foot shoulders on each side of each roadway.  That is 216 feet of bridge deck, or two separate bridges of 108 feet each ... that will be tough getting NEPA approval for that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 31, 2019, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 31, 2019, 11:41:30 PM
Would also note that Wilson was constructed with parallel roadways while maintaining traffic on the existing bridge. Legion bridge has no way to do that, with the parks on either side it'll have to be widening along the alignment, which adds a lot of complexity to staging and construction.

The Clara Barton Parkway interchange is also mostly on parkland, and the Beltway crosses parkland near the Cabin John Parkway interchange.

I would probably build 4 lanes of new bridge with a 12-foot right shoulder on the east side of the bridge, vacate and replace the current 5 lanes of Inner Loop bridge, put the Outer Loop traffic there, and then replace the 5 lanes of Outer Loop bridge.

The bridge really needs to have 7 lanes each way (AUX-GP-GP-GP-GP-GP-H-H) and with 12-foot shoulders on each side of each roadway.  That is 216 feet of bridge deck ... that will be tough getting NEPA approval for that.
Why 5 GP lanes? The current proposal is 4 GP + 2 HO/T, and presumably 1 auxiliary.

And that wide of a span in an enviromentally sensisitve area would likely drive costs up. Maybe not to $1 billion, but no less than $500 - 600 million for the span and environmental impacts alone.

The 18 miles of construction of SEP&G in Virginia Beach would've cost around $5 billion in today's dollars. That's $278 million per mile, 4-lane at-grade freeway, in an environmentally sensitive area. A bridge would be double that cost.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 11:57:10 PM
Why 5 GP lanes? The current proposal is 4 GP + 2 HO/T, and presumably 1 auxiliary.

I already edited out the 5th "GP".

Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 11:57:10 PM
And that wide of a span in an enviromentally sensisitve area would likely drive costs up. Maybe not to $1 billion, but no less than $500 - 600 million for the span and environmental impacts alone.
The 18 miles of construction of SEP&G in Virginia Beach would've cost around $5 billion in today's dollars. That's $278 million per mile, 4-lane at-grade freeway, in an environmentally sensitive area. A bridge would be double that cost.

One billion dollars ...
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/southeastern_parkway_and_greenbelt.asp
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 11:57:10 PM
Why 5 GP lanes? The current proposal is 4 GP + 2 HO/T, and presumably 1 auxiliary.

I already edited out the 5th "GP".

Quote from: sprjus4 on January 31, 2019, 11:57:10 PM
And that wide of a span in an enviromentally sensisitve area would likely drive costs up. Maybe not to $1 billion, but no less than $500 - 600 million for the span and environmental impacts alone.
The 18 miles of construction of SEP&G in Virginia Beach would've cost around $5 billion in today's dollars. That's $278 million per mile, 4-lane at-grade freeway, in an environmentally sensitive area. A bridge would be double that cost.

One billion dollars ...
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/southeastern_parkway_and_greenbelt.asp
I don't have a link at the moment, though I recall seeing a planning estimate in one of the SYIP's for 2016 or 2017 that showed around $5 billion. I will get a link tomorrow.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: sprjus4
The 18 miles of construction of SEP&G in Virginia Beach would've cost around $5 billion in today's dollars. That's $278 million per mile, 4-lane at-grade freeway, in an environmentally sensitive area. A bridge would be double that cost.
One billion dollars ...
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/southeastern_parkway_and_greenbelt.asp
I don't have a link at the moment, though I recall seeing a planning estimate in one of the SYIP's for 2016 or 2017 that showed around $5 billion. I will get a link tomorrow.

That is the project webpage, Page last modified: Jan. 23, 2019.

"State and federal funds are not sufficient to pay for [all] the project, which is estimated to cost $1 billion. "

That is high enough, at an average of $55 million per mile.  While it is difficult to get environmental clearance to go thru wetlands, it is not that necessarily that expensive dollarwise.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: sprjus4
The 18 miles of construction of SEP&G in Virginia Beach would've cost around $5 billion in today's dollars. That's $278 million per mile, 4-lane at-grade freeway, in an environmentally sensitive area. A bridge would be double that cost.
One billion dollars ...
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/southeastern_parkway_and_greenbelt.asp
I don't have a link at the moment, though I recall seeing a planning estimate in one of the SYIP's for 2016 or 2017 that showed around $5 billion. I will get a link tomorrow.

That is the project webpage, Page last modified: Jan. 23, 2019.

"State and federal funds are not sufficient to pay for [all] the project, which is estimated to cost $1 billion. "

That is high enough, at an average of $55 million per mile.  While it is difficult to get environmental clearance to go thru wetlands, it is not that necessarily that expensive dollarwise.
Wasn't able to source my $5 billion number (I swore I saw it before), though this SYIP from FY 2013 - 2018 (http://syip.virginiadot.org/Pages/allProjects.aspx) notes $1.710 billion. That's close to $100 million per mile. I imagine the cost still has increased.

Up until FY 2018, the SYIP also included a project to construct a small portion of it - $77 million. I wouldn't imagine much coming from that judging by the overall cost estimate.

Now there's $12,000 allocated to preliminary engineering. Why are they still trying on this project? I agree it'd be nice, however in today's cost estimates, it's too expensive to warrant construction. Should've built it in the late 90s when it was still under $1 billion.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: sprjus4
The 18 miles of construction of SEP&G in Virginia Beach would've cost around $5 billion in today's dollars. That's $278 million per mile, 4-lane at-grade freeway, in an environmentally sensitive area. A bridge would be double that cost.
One billion dollars ...
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/southeastern_parkway_and_greenbelt.asp
I don't have a link at the moment, though I recall seeing a planning estimate in one of the SYIP's for 2016 or 2017 that showed around $5 billion. I will get a link tomorrow.
That is the project webpage, Page last modified: Jan. 23, 2019.
"State and federal funds are not sufficient to pay for [all] the project, which is estimated to cost $1 billion. "
That is high enough, at an average of $55 million per mile.  While it is difficult to get environmental clearance to go thru wetlands, it is not that necessarily that expensive dollarwise.
Wasn't able to source my $5 billion number (I swore I saw it before), though this SYIP from FY 2013 - 2018 (http://syip.virginiadot.org/Pages/allProjects.aspx) notes $1.710 billion. That's close to $100 million per mile. I imagine the cost still has increased.

Where?  It is not even listed under the cities of Chesapeake and Virginia Beach.

Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
Up until FY 2018, the SYIP also included a project to construct a small portion of it - $77 million. I wouldn't imagine much coming from that judging by the overall cost estimate.
Now there's $12,000 allocated to preliminary engineering. Why are they still trying on this project? I agree it'd be nice, however in today's cost estimates, it's too expensive to warrant construction. Should've built it in the late 90s when it was still under $1 billion.

I don't know why you are disputing the cost as listed on the VDOT project webpage that was last updated this month, $1 billion.

Four lanes and only modest amounts of routine bridgework... right-of-way mostly avoids developments and there are a few areas that look like it has been reserved... that would account for it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: sprjus4
The 18 miles of construction of SEP&G in Virginia Beach would've cost around $5 billion in today's dollars. That's $278 million per mile, 4-lane at-grade freeway, in an environmentally sensitive area. A bridge would be double that cost.
One billion dollars ...
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/southeastern_parkway_and_greenbelt.asp
I don't have a link at the moment, though I recall seeing a planning estimate in one of the SYIP's for 2016 or 2017 that showed around $5 billion. I will get a link tomorrow.
That is the project webpage, Page last modified: Jan. 23, 2019.
"State and federal funds are not sufficient to pay for [all] the project, which is estimated to cost $1 billion. "
That is high enough, at an average of $55 million per mile.  While it is difficult to get environmental clearance to go thru wetlands, it is not that necessarily that expensive dollarwise.
Wasn't able to source my $5 billion number (I swore I saw it before), though this SYIP from FY 2013 - 2018 (http://syip.virginiadot.org/Pages/allProjects.aspx) notes $1.710 billion. That's close to $100 million per mile. I imagine the cost still has increased.

Where?  It is not even listed under the cities of Chesapeake and Virginia Beach.
Go to FY 2013 - 2018, and search "Southeastern"  statewide. It comes up.


Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:53:18 AM
I don't know why you are disputing the cost as listed on the VDOT project webpage that was last updated this month, $1 billion.

Four lanes and only modest amounts of routine bridgework... right-of-way mostly avoids developments and there are a few areas that look like it has been reserved... that would account for it.
Chesapeake and Virginia Beach have started building neighborhoods over its official route.

The website claims it was updated last week, however that page has been the same for years. The official FY 13 - 18 SYIP says $1.7 billion, and I recall seeing a higher figure. I'm not against the highway, in fact I was a big supporter, however I just don't see it happening, especially with the localities beginning to develop on its right of way. A lot of the route in Virginia Beach is paralleled by the existing limited-access Dam Neck Rd which is posted at 55 MPH. That portion is the least important IMHO. Also, IIRC a few years back, the cities sold back some preserved right of way.

A Chesapeake official told me about a year ago that the Southeastern Pkwy is going to be removed from the Master Transportation Plan as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 01:43:14 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
Wasn't able to source my $5 billion number (I swore I saw it before), though this SYIP from FY 2013 - 2018 (http://syip.virginiadot.org/Pages/allProjects.aspx) notes $1.710 billion. That's close to $100 million per mile. I imagine the cost still has increased.
Where?  It is not even listed under the cities of Chesapeake and Virginia Beach.
Go to FY 2013 - 2018, and search "Southeastern"  statewide. It comes up.

Oh, 2013 ... I looked in 2018.  It may have still been an 8-lane Interstate standard highway at that time.  Part of why it was downscoped was because of the high cost.

Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 01:10:34 AM
The website claims it was updated last week, however that page has been the same for years. The official FY 13 - 18 SYIP says $1.7 billion, and I recall seeing a higher figure.

See above.  As far as today's cost, the 4-lane parkway-like design may account for the $1 billion, and if the VDOT webpage is wrong on that figure it wouldn't be the first time a webpage had an error.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
New American Legion Bridge within years, says Md. highway administrator
By Neal Augenstein, WTOP
January 31, 2019

WASHINGTON – Soon after Virginia announced its plans to extend Express Lanes almost three miles from Tysons Corner to the American Legion Bridge, Maryland has confirmed a new bridge will be equipped to handle extra traffic.

Without committing to a precise timeline, Maryland's highway administrator, Greg Slater, said a new American Legion Bridge will be built within the next several years.

"We are focused on the bridge as our first order of business,"  Slater told WUSA9. "We want to get out there and move that traffic."

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam announced Tuesday new Express Lanes will run in each direction of the Beltway from the Dulles Access Road to the Legion Bridge at the Maryland border. Construction could begin next year.

The announcement left open the question: How would Maryland deal with more traffic on the bridge, that currently carries four lanes over the Potomac River, into Maryland?  In each direction, the bridge has four through-lanes, and one exit lane.  "The only way to address that bridge, and have more capacity on that bridge, is to build a new bridge,"  Slater said.

What's still not clear is the configuration of the bridge, although Slater confirmed to Channel 9 that the new bridge would have additional lanes to allow a seamless flow from Virginia Express Lane traffic into Maryland.

In 2017, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan announced plans for a public-private partnership to add toll lanes to I-270 and the Beltway, but didn't provide specifics on how the Legion Bridge, which was built in 1963, would carry traffic.

Slater said private developers interested in being part of the project are being directed to develop plans that would add new Beltway lanes within the Interstate's existing footprint, leaving open the possibilities of stacked roadways or travel underground.

In announcing Virginia's $1 billion deal with Transurban to build four road projects in Northern Virginia, Transportation Secretary Shannon Valentine said: "It's also going to provide for Virginians, regardless of what happens in Maryland, direct access to the George Washington Parkway."

Valentine was asked how, and how quickly the new project would provide relief to those who currently deal with overflow traffic.

"I would like to say immediately,"  she said. "Of all the issues, this is one of the top that we hear from citizens about, is the cut-through traffic in McLean."

Currently, about a quarter million vehicles cross the bridge daily, but over the next 20 years planners estimate that will climb to 300,000 per day.


SMK: I can see some engineering difficulties for the approach transitions to a double-decked bridge, and for the steep grades needed to transition to a tunnel under the river to say nothing of the cost.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on February 01, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Beltway, that looks like DC's Big Dig.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on February 02, 2019, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 01:43:14 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2019, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
Wasn't able to source my $5 billion number (I swore I saw it before), though this SYIP from FY 2013 - 2018 (http://syip.virginiadot.org/Pages/allProjects.aspx) notes $1.710 billion. That's close to $100 million per mile. I imagine the cost still has increased.
Where?  It is not even listed under the cities of Chesapeake and Virginia Beach.
Go to FY 2013 - 2018, and search "Southeastern"  statewide. It comes up.

Oh, 2013 ... I looked in 2018.  It may have still been an 8-lane Interstate standard highway at that time.  Part of why it was downscoped was because of the high cost.

Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2019, 01:10:34 AM
The website claims it was updated last week, however that page has been the same for years. The official FY 13 - 18 SYIP says $1.7 billion, and I recall seeing a higher figure.

See above.  As far as today's cost, the 4-lane parkway-like design may account for the $1 billion, and if the VDOT webpage is wrong on that figure it wouldn't be the first time a webpage had an error.
I found the source. https://www.hrtpo.org/uploads/docs/121917%20P6-RegionalPriorityProjects-Round2-draft%20scores.pdf

Page 6 actually provides cost estimates for numerous of projects around the area as of December 2017.

The "Southeastern Parkway and Greenbelt" is estimated at $4.8 billion.

Some other interesting figures
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on February 05, 2019, 08:51:39 PM
This doesn't add to anything, but I was watching Today on NBC this morning, and WBAL was doing traffic on the bottom, and they were showing I-695 travel times on both loops, such as the outer loop between I-795 (19) and U.S. 40 (15), but they had the shield for MD-295, which is the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, and not a beltway. Whoops.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on February 08, 2019, 06:14:04 PM
https://www.marylandmatters.org/2019/02/05/house-senate-bills-could-jam-up-hogan-highway-plan/
QuoteMaryland lawmakers will hear testimony this week on a measure that would give counties potential veto power over the Hogan administration's $9 billion plan to widen the Capital Beltway, Interstate 270 and the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.
QuoteThe bill, sponsored by Del. Brooke E. Lierman (D-Baltimore City), would extend power that nine Eastern Shore counties have had since the 1970s to all Maryland subdivisions.
Quote"I oppose widening the footprint of I-270 between Gaithersburg and the Beltway,"  Barve said. "The possibility of widening I-270 north of Gaithersburg, where it narrows down to two lanes [in each direction], I think that's the first thing that the Department of Transportation should consider."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Ben114 on February 11, 2019, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 01, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Beltway, that looks like DC's Big Dig.

ixnay
If DC were to have a Big Dig, I-95 should be rerouted off I-495.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 12, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on February 11, 2019, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 01, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Beltway, that looks like DC's Big Dig.

ixnay
If DC were to have a Big Dig, I-95 should be rerouted off I-495.
I would LOVE to see that!

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on February 13, 2019, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on February 11, 2019, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 01, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Beltway, that looks like DC's Big Dig.

ixnay
If DC were to have a Big Dig, I-95 should be rerouted off I-495.
6 miles of 8-lane (4 - 4) tunnel starting at I-395's northern terminus, then 2 miles of surface freeway connecting to I-95. $5 - 6 billion. Could be toll supported.

Let's build it! If they can propose it for I-710, then game on.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on February 14, 2019, 09:58:17 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/8cacc77dbca2b10ce6b7d701a28e0365.jpg)

Potential, new Bay Bridge locations.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/maryland/2019/02/13/new-chesapeake-bay-bridge-span-somerset-dorchester/2846083002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/maryland/2019/02/13/new-chesapeake-bay-bridge-span-somerset-dorchester/2846083002/)


iPhone
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 14, 2019, 01:57:00 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on February 14, 2019, 09:58:17 AM
Potential, new Bay Bridge locations.

Across the peninsulas of western Talbot County?  That is insane.  My dad will have something to say about that as he lives there.  I don't know why MDTA even published them, but they are going to make a lot of people angry.  From the western shore, across to Tilghman Island, then across the Choptank waters to Oxford?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2019, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on February 11, 2019, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 01, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Beltway, that looks like DC's Big Dig.

ixnay
If DC were to have a Big Dig, I-95 should be rerouted off I-495.

Talk to Doug Willinger (I think that's his name). His website has advocated this for years, though of course it's a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on February 14, 2019, 02:09:44 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 14, 2019, 01:57:00 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on February 14, 2019, 09:58:17 AM
Potential, new Bay Bridge locations.

Across the peninsulas of western Talbot County?  That is insane.  My dad will have something to say about that as he lives there.  I don't know why MDTA even published them, but they are going to make a lot of people angry.  From the western shore, across to Tilghman Island, then across the Choptank waters to Oxford?
The growth of the area will happen, the feds need the bridge, they will probably build it no matter what anyone says, they just wanna find the right location.


iPhone
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 14, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
It's worth noting that two of the corridors on that Chesapeake Bay map (#4 and #12 specifically) were studied in the past but discarded in favor of building what is now the westbound Bay Bridge span.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on February 14, 2019, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 14, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
It's worth noting that two of the corridors on that Chesapeake Bay map (#4 and #12 specifically) were studied in the past but discarded in favor of building what is now the westbound Bay Bridge span.
I feel like #1, #7 & #14 would be the best choices


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 14, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 14, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
It's worth noting that two of the corridors on that Chesapeake Bay map (#4 and #12 specifically) were studied in the past but discarded in favor of building what is now the westbound Bay Bridge span.

The State Roads Commission did evaluate all 3 locations in 1964 for where to build the next bay bridge, with the Sandy Point location being the selection, but while I don't know the exact year, the northern and southern crossings remained in long range planning for at least 5 years after the parallel bridge opened in 1973.

http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Bay_Bridge_Loc_Studies_XL.jpg

Those would still be the logical places to build the northern and southern crossings, the width of the bay and connections to existing highways being the factor on the southern, and the problem of crossing military lands on the northern.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: yakra on February 26, 2019, 06:49:49 PM
Is MD 213 via Liberty St in Centreville going to be permanent, or is this just temporary during construction?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on March 05, 2019, 04:21:11 PM
Saw this for MD-295.  Looks like the original signage will all go away.
https://test-295-triple-bridges.pantheonsite.io/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/295-Public-Meeting-Pres-2018-11-14_small.pdf

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1919/45524970842_c1c0a11b5b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cmTnLo)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/887/39271049880_ba396be5d5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22QfoWU)

And a look at GSV on US-40 over the Endmonson Ave Bridge shows this sign is gone too and on the contractor website it also says new signage.  So I'm guessing all the button copy associated with the interchange will be gone by the end of 2020.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4509/37582741720_297f9c328d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zg4nKw)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on March 05, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: yakra on February 26, 2019, 06:49:49 PM
Is MD 213 via Liberty St in Centreville going to be permanent, or is this just temporary during construction?

This might answer your question...

https://www.townofcentreville.org/liberty-street-commerce-street-construction-project/

https://www.townofcentreville.org/liberty-commerce-street-construction-notices/

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on March 06, 2019, 10:44:41 AM
Another intersection to be replaced with a super street setup on US 15 in Emmitsburg. 
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3336
There are still some cross-traffic intersections left.  But they are being eliminated over time. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on March 06, 2019, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: BrianP on March 06, 2019, 10:44:41 AM
Another intersection to be replaced with a super street setup on US 15 in Emmitsburg. 
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3336
There are still some cross-traffic intersections left.  But they are being eliminated over time.

This project is near Mt. St. Mary's Univ. and the Grotto of Lourdes.

U.S. 15 already has a j-turn further north at Annandale Rd./College Ln., and one still further north at South Seton Ave./Old Frederick Rd.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on March 06, 2019, 09:23:51 PM
A new traffic signal has been installed near the New Carrollton Metro station and an off-ramp from US-50 WB (John Hanson Hwy), and part of it has a function I don't quite understand.

The signal serves a simple T-intersection between a road leading to/from a new office building adjacent to the station, and a one-way section of Garden City Drive.  But there's also a twist -- there are also signal heads facing the tight-curve off-ramp from US-50, and these seem to only flash yellow.  And it's the center yellow lens that flashes, not a R-Y-FY setup.  (It appears to have the usual R-Y-G lenses present.) The off-ramp has two continuous lanes, and they don't appear to interfere with the T-intersection, so does anyone know what that signal face is there for?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on March 06, 2019, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on March 06, 2019, 09:23:51 PM
A new traffic signal has been installed near the New Carrollton Metro station and an off-ramp from US-50 WB (John Hanson Hwy), and part of it has a function I don't quite understand.

The signal serves a simple T-intersection between a road leading to/from a new office building adjacent to the station, and a one-way section of Garden City Drive.  But there's also a twist -- there are also signal heads facing the tight-curve off-ramp from US-50, and these seem to only flash yellow.  And it's the center yellow lens that flashes, not a R-Y-FY setup.  (It appears to have the usual R-Y-G lenses present.) The off-ramp has two continuous lanes, and they don't appear to interfere with the T-intersection, so does anyone know what that signal face is there for?
I wouldn't know because I'm not there, but from what you described, my guess would be a future signal currently in flash mode. It could become active in the future with that new office building.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on March 10, 2019, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2019, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on February 11, 2019, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 01, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Beltway, that looks like DC's Big Dig.

ixnay
If DC were to have a Big Dig, I-95 should be rerouted off I-495.

Talk to Doug Willinger (I think that's his name). His website has advocated this for years, though of course it's a pipe dream.

I guess you mean http://wwwtripwithinthebeltway.blogspot.com/2007/09/washington-dc-big-dig.html

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 09:28:36 PM
Quote from: ixnay on March 10, 2019, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2019, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on February 11, 2019, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 01, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Beltway, that looks like DC's Big Dig.
If DC were to have a Big Dig, I-95 should be rerouted off I-495.
Talk to Doug Willinger (I think that's his name). His website has advocated this for years, though of course it's a pipe dream.
I guess you mean http://wwwtripwithinthebeltway.blogspot.com/2007/09/washington-dc-big-dig.html

Does he still run the Takoma Park Highway Design Studio?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on March 23, 2019, 07:56:33 AM
The weekend of Mar. 30/31 will be the first of several weekends when this will happen on MD 213...

https://www.myeasternshoremd.com/kent_county_news/spotlight/route-bridge-in-centreville-to-close-for-weekend-of-march/article_8d83801a-d7a5-5a1e-b4b4-4f1d3c60230f.html

QuoteThe first weekend closure of state Route 213 at Gravel Run on the north end of Centreville is set for March 29, weather permitting.

...

The closure is necessary to assemble and place the temporary "jump bridge"  that will keep traffic moving while crews repair the bridge substructure and replace the bridge deck this spring, said Bob Rager, SHA community liaison. The March 29-April 1 closure is the first of four possible weekend closures needed at the Gravel Run location.

ixnay


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 05, 2019, 06:04:56 PM
According to the project page (http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=HO1415113) the widening of MD 32 between MD 108 and Linden Church Road is scheduled for completion this summer. Once this is done, the next big project (http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=HO7565313) to the north is already in progress and will hopefully not be delayed any further.

I will be curious to see how backed up MD 32 north becomes at MD 144/I-70 once the current widening is completed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on April 05, 2019, 09:03:21 PM
Quote from: ixnay on March 23, 2019, 07:56:33 AM
The weekend of Mar. 30/31 will be the first of several weekends when this will happen on MD 213...

https://www.myeasternshoremd.com/kent_county_news/spotlight/route-bridge-in-centreville-to-close-for-weekend-of-march/article_8d83801a-d7a5-5a1e-b4b4-4f1d3c60230f.html

QuoteThe first weekend closure of state Route 213 at Gravel Run on the north end of Centreville is set for March 29, weather permitting.

...

The closure is necessary to assemble and place the temporary "jump bridge"  that will keep traffic moving while crews repair the bridge substructure and replace the bridge deck this spring, said Bob Rager, SHA community liaison. The March 29-April 1 closure is the first of four possible weekend closures needed at the Gravel Run location.

ixnay

It was put off until tonight (4/5) thru 0500 on Mon. (4/8)

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
In Baltimore, there is an I-95 spur numbered "I-395" that runs a little over 1 mile from I-95 to downtown Baltimore. Why is it signed as an interstate, why not just have it as a ramp and have overheard signs on I-95 saying "Downtown Baltimore"? Im not annoyed at it, Im just curious at why it was given an Interstate number
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on April 07, 2019, 11:20:29 PM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
In Baltimore, there is an I-95 spur numbered "I-395" that runs a little over 1 mile from I-95 to downtown Baltimore. Why is it signed as an interstate, why not just have it as a ramp and have overheard signs on I-95 saying "Downtown Baltimore"? Im not annoyed at it, Im just curious at why it was given an Interstate number
The Interstate number makes sense - spur route into downtown. Why sign that one, where many others go unsigned? I don't think there's a great answer for that. MD even signed I-170 for the few years that lived. The only one they don't sign is I-595 due to route concurrencies (50/301), so maybe it's just MD policy to sign every route they have.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 07, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
In Baltimore, there is an I-95 spur numbered "I-395" that runs a little over 1 mile from I-95 to downtown Baltimore. Why is it signed as an interstate, why not just have it as a ramp and have overheard signs on I-95 saying "Downtown Baltimore"? Im not annoyed at it, Im just curious at why it was given an Interstate number

That is the nature of Interstate spur routes, they connect a mainline Interstate route to a local destination such as a central business district in this case.

It was part of the original Interstate highway system and by its inclusion it got 90% federal funding at a time that almost no non-Interstate project got more than 50%.  It was justified to be an Interstate project by the fact that it connects I-95 to the CBD.  Very expensive construction to build an elevated bridge structure like that, it's good that it got that level of funding to better help the state to afford to build it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 07, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
In Baltimore, there is an I-95 spur numbered "I-395" that runs a little over 1 mile from I-95 to downtown Baltimore. Why is it signed as an interstate, why not just have it as a ramp and have overheard signs on I-95 saying "Downtown Baltimore"? Im not annoyed at it, Im just curious at why it was given an Interstate number

That is the nature of Interstate spur routes, they connect a mainline Interstate route to a local destination such as a central business district in this case.

It was part of the original Interstate highway system and by its inclusion it got 90% federal funding almost no non-Interstate project got more than 50%.  It was justified to be an Interstate project by the fact that it connects I-95 to the CBD.
I see.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on April 09, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 07, 2019, 11:20:29 PM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
In Baltimore, there is an I-95 spur numbered "I-395" that runs a little over 1 mile from I-95 to downtown Baltimore. Why is it signed as an interstate, why not just have it as a ramp and have overheard signs on I-95 saying "Downtown Baltimore"? Im not annoyed at it, Im just curious at why it was given an Interstate number
The Interstate number makes sense - spur route into downtown. Why sign that one, where many others go unsigned? I don't think there's a great answer for that. MD even signed I-170 for the few years that lived. The only one they don't sign is I-595 due to route concurrencies (50/301), so maybe it's just MD policy to sign every route they have.

They don't sign *every* route (I've driven part of all of them, and all of many of them), but most are signed, even ones that don't need signage.  That said, I suspect that signing I-395 is more of a touristy thing, since many people like to follow those red, white and blue interstate shields. Following the most main highway to downtown is likely what is desired, so signing it as I-395 likely encourages this.  Its probably not as necessary in the GPS-on-your-phone era, but now, why bother changing it...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on April 09, 2019, 05:22:52 PM
Quote from: famartin on April 09, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
They don't sign *every* route (I've driven part of all of them, and all of many of them), but most are signed, even ones that don't need signage.  That said, I suspect that signing I-395 is more of a touristy thing, since many people like to follow those red, white and blue interstate shields. Following the most main highway to downtown is likely what is desired, so signing it as I-395 likely encourages this.  Its probably not as necessary in the GPS-on-your-phone era, but now, why bother changing it...

I think it is no more complicated than that it was part of the 3-A Interstate and Boulevard System that was approved in 1968 and was funded and designated as a spur Interstate route I-395 from that point onward until it was completed in 1982.  It used some of the right-of-way that was already acquired for I-95 in the previous 10-D Expressway System concept. 

If I-70 and I-170 had been completed then they would have had those two designations.  They were also part of the 3-A Interstate and Boulevard System.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on April 12, 2019, 07:56:58 PM
Cashless toll conversions are beginning in Maryland this fall, starting with the Hatem & Key Bridges.  Both have 80% or higher E-ZPass usage.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/key-hatem-bridges-begin-cashless-toll-collection-october-2019
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on May 01, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
A US 50 intersection reconstruction is starting west of Salisbury.

http://www.wboc.com/clip/14813591/work-underway-to-reconstruct-busy-wicomico-county-intersection

When it's over there will be a stoplight westbound (that will also affect eastbounders accessing the Royal Farms) and a RIRO affecting Stanton Ave. access.

This is about a mile west of the NW end of the SBY bypass.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 01, 2019, 01:06:37 PM
I think as evidenced by MD 404 west of Denton, we'll be seeing more of Maryland T's and super street type setups along the eastern shore along 50*, 13, 113.  301 may get some but that route seems destined as an expressway if not a freeway.  *US 50 between 301 and 404 being the exception since that's slated to be a freeway. 

Press release about this project:
SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS COMING TO BUSY US 50 INTERSECTION IN WICOMICO COUNTY
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/release.aspx?newsId=3372
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on May 03, 2019, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 07, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
In Baltimore, there is an I-95 spur numbered "I-395" that runs a little over 1 mile from I-95 to downtown Baltimore. Why is it signed as an interstate, why not just have it as a ramp and have overheard signs on I-95 saying "Downtown Baltimore"? Im not annoyed at it, Im just curious at why it was given an Interstate number

That is the nature of Interstate spur routes, they connect a mainline Interstate route to a local destination such as a central business district in this case.

It was part of the original Interstate highway system and by its inclusion it got 90% federal funding almost no non-Interstate project got more than 50%.  It was justified to be an Interstate project by the fact that it connects I-95 to the CBD.
I see.
It is the same situation that St. Petersburg, FL has with I-175 and I-375.  These 2 Interstate highways are basically glorified ramps to and from downtown.  Yet these two freeways also got 90% federal funding and are therefore signed as Interstate highways.

Remember, a spur freeway that has an Interstate marker is "marketing" for that particular city.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on May 03, 2019, 06:24:43 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 03, 2019, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 07, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
That is the nature of Interstate spur routes, they connect a mainline Interstate route to a local destination such as a central business district in this case.
It was part of the original Interstate highway system and by its inclusion it got 90% federal funding almost no non-Interstate project got more than 50%.  It was justified to be an Interstate project by the fact that it connects I-95 to the CBD.
I see.
It is the same situation that St. Petersburg, FL has with I-175 and I-375.  These 2 Interstate highways are basically glorified ramps to and from downtown.  Yet these two freeways also got 90% federal funding and are therefore signed as Interstate highways.
Remember, a spur freeway that has an Interstate marker is "marketing" for that particular city.

They are freeways in their own right, each over a mile long, they accomplish a lot in a major central business district, and provide major improvements in an urban area with much better access to and from the main Interstate highway, and with ramps between at places other than just at the termini.  AADT 34,000 on I-175 and 31,000 on I-375 and high speed.

I don't know why they wouldn't be considered important enough to be Interstate spur routes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 03, 2019, 07:25:50 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 03, 2019, 06:24:43 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 03, 2019, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: SoCal Kid on April 07, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 07, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
That is the nature of Interstate spur routes, they connect a mainline Interstate route to a local destination such as a central business district in this case.
It was part of the original Interstate highway system and by its inclusion it got 90% federal funding almost no non-Interstate project got more than 50%.  It was justified to be an Interstate project by the fact that it connects I-95 to the CBD.
I see.
It is the same situation that St. Petersburg, FL has with I-175 and I-375.  These 2 Interstate highways are basically glorified ramps to and from downtown.  Yet these two freeways also got 90% federal funding and are therefore signed as Interstate highways.
Remember, a spur freeway that has an Interstate marker is "marketing" for that particular city.

They are freeways in their own right, each over a mile long, they accomplish a lot in a major central business district, and provide major improvements in an urban area with much better access to and from the main Interstate highway, and with ramps between at places other than just at the termini.  AADT 34,000 on I-175 and 31,000 on I-375 and high speed.

I don't know why they wouldn't be considered important enough to be Interstate spur routes.
Another thing that they are, they're 3-d's off of another 3-d. Just more proof of why I-164 should be signed here in Hampton Roads  :pan:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on May 04, 2019, 03:15:42 AM
I'm not saying that they aren't important.  They deserve to have the Interstate marker based on the amount of traffic Scott mentioned above.  There are a few instances of short spur Interstates that have one or even no interchanges between termini such as I-381 in Bristol, VA or I-195 in Miami.  They serve the purpose they were built for.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 06, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on April 12, 2019, 07:56:58 PM
Cashless toll conversions are beginning in Maryland this fall, starting with the Hatem & Key Bridges.  Both have 80% or higher E-ZPass usage.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/key-hatem-bridges-begin-cashless-toll-collection-october-2019
Man, I really regret not getting pictures of the toll plaza and weigh stations on the Thomas Hatem Bridge now. I was too busy trying to get some for the northeast-bound Millard E. Tydings bridge, but they came out too blurry.

BTW, I originally posted this as a reply to another message by mistake.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on May 12, 2019, 06:15:51 PM
I observed recently that the southbound carriageway earthworks on MD 32 at Linden Church Road are quite advanced and that the contractor may be able to start base paving soon. The current scheduling for the project claims that it will be finished in summer of this year, so unless it rains every day for the next month the project may be finished soon.

Does anyone know if the SHA public ally documents their policies for where VMSes are positioned? A VMS on the northbound side of MD 32 south of Linden Church Road indicating travel times to I-70 would be very useful to the traveling public.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on May 20, 2019, 11:46:07 PM
Among other things in my recent road trips, I noticed US 15 Bus is signed again
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/2019-05-19_15_57_58_IMG_2405_will_rename_and_categorize_soon.jpg/800px-2019-05-19_15_57_58_IMG_2405_will_rename_and_categorize_soon.jpg)
(I wish all traffic light blades were this style)

Also, MD 639 has a sign (had not noticed any before)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/2019-05-17_17_42_24_IMG_2202_will_rename_and_categorize_soon.jpg/800px-2019-05-17_17_42_24_IMG_2202_will_rename_and_categorize_soon.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on May 21, 2019, 01:22:52 AM
I wish Maryland's business US route shields were a nationwide standard...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Verlanka on May 21, 2019, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 21, 2019, 01:22:52 AM
I wish Maryland's business US route shields were a nationwide standard...

They shouldn't. That's what makes Maryland stand out.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 21, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
^ Doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere.  In point of fact, I know of jurisdictions outside of Maryland that are using similar specs for BUSINESS US shields.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Eth on May 21, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 21, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
^ Doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere.  In point of fact, I know of jurisdictions outside of Maryland that are using similar specs for BUSINESS US shields.

Green business shields are used on US 1 in Waycross, GA (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2140484,-82.353687,3a,75y,158.29h,87.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0Fpd1nhrtFBx5ciBo2seQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). I don't know of any other examples in the state, though. Might be specific to GDOT District 5, though I'm not sure there are any other signed US business routes in that district to check against.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on May 21, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Eth on May 21, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 21, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
^ Doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere.  In point of fact, I know of jurisdictions outside of Maryland that are using similar specs for BUSINESS US shields.

Green business shields are used on US 1 in Waycross, GA (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2140484,-82.353687,3a,75y,158.29h,87.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0Fpd1nhrtFBx5ciBo2seQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). I don't know of any other examples in the state, though. Might be specific to GDOT District 5, though I'm not sure there are any other signed US business routes in that district to check against.

Interesting sign... but what's up with those signals???
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2019, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: plain on May 21, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Eth on May 21, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 21, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
^ Doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere.  In point of fact, I know of jurisdictions outside of Maryland that are using similar specs for BUSINESS US shields.

Green business shields are used on US 1 in Waycross, GA (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2140484,-82.353687,3a,75y,158.29h,87.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0Fpd1nhrtFBx5ciBo2seQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). I don't know of any other examples in the state, though. Might be specific to GDOT District 5, though I'm not sure there are any other signed US business routes in that district to check against.

Interesting sign... but what's up with those signals???
Apparently you need four signals for two lanes??
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on May 22, 2019, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: Eth on May 21, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 21, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
^ Doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere.  In point of fact, I know of jurisdictions outside of Maryland that are using similar specs for BUSINESS US shields.

Green business shields are used on US 1 in Waycross, GA (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2140484,-82.353687,3a,75y,158.29h,87.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0Fpd1nhrtFBx5ciBo2seQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). I don't know of any other examples in the state, though. Might be specific to GDOT District 5, though I'm not sure there are any other signed US business routes in that district to check against.

US 23 Business in South Georgia also has some green shields posted.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Eth on May 22, 2019, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: plain on May 21, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Eth on May 21, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 21, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
^ Doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere.  In point of fact, I know of jurisdictions outside of Maryland that are using similar specs for BUSINESS US shields.

Green business shields are used on US 1 in Waycross, GA (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2140484,-82.353687,3a,75y,158.29h,87.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0Fpd1nhrtFBx5ciBo2seQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). I don't know of any other examples in the state, though. Might be specific to GDOT District 5, though I'm not sure there are any other signed US business routes in that district to check against.

Interesting sign... but what's up with those signals???

Hadn't even noticed that, but that is an excellent question. If there are green right arrows, and there is no straight movement available, what are the green balls referring to? Especially in conjunction with red balls (which should presumably be red left arrows)!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on May 22, 2019, 02:13:51 PM
Looks like I-95 north of Baltimore will be crawling with speed cameras. Noticed covered up signs just south of MD 279 in Elkton and signs covered southbound near Perryville (assume the Tydings Bridge and toll plaza preclude one NB). Both are bridge projects. Oddly, ongoing bridge projects near MD 272 and south of Bel Air don't have them.

A NB project between MD 152 and MD 24 will also have NB cameras when it starts.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on June 01, 2019, 04:10:22 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on May 22, 2019, 02:13:51 PM
Looks like I-95 north of Baltimore will be crawling with speed cameras. Noticed covered up signs just south of MD 279 in Elkton and signs covered southbound near Perryville (assume the Tydings Bridge and toll plaza preclude one NB). Both are bridge projects. Oddly, ongoing bridge projects near MD 272 and south of Bel Air don't have them.

A NB project between MD 152 and MD 24 will also have NB cameras when it starts.

Thanks for the warning. We're headed north in a couple of weeks and while I'm unlikely to go 12 mph over the speed limit in Maryland (that's the statutory threshold for speed cameras), this is all the more reason to head east over the Bay Bridge to check out the new US-301 in Delaware.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on June 13, 2019, 03:04:13 PM
Has anybody been on the B/W Pkwy near the Triple Bridges replacement project? 

https://295triplebridges.com/

The website says there are lane closures currently.  Is that true and does it affect traffic?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ipeters61 on June 21, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
Does anyone in the Baltimore area know if these signs are still here?  I think it's at the northern terminus of MD-295.  I'm planning to make a trip that way tomorrow and was going to stop to take a photo.

(https://i.ibb.co/1KcwdzF/Screenshot-20190621-221019.png) (https://ibb.co/P4kf9Dq)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on June 21, 2019, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on June 21, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
Does anyone in the Baltimore area know if these signs are still here?  I think it's at the northern terminus of MD-295.  I'm planning to make a trip that way tomorrow and was going to stop to take a photo.

(https://i.ibb.co/1KcwdzF/Screenshot-20190621-221019.png) (https://ibb.co/P4kf9Dq)
Last I saw in 2016, it was still there, but that was 3 years ago now... I'm gonna try to make my way there again by next year, sign or no sign... (my photo from 5/11/2016)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/2016-05-11_08_22_26_View_south_along_Maryland_State_Route_295_at_the_south_end_of_Russell_Street_and_the_north_end_of_the_Baltimore-Washington_Parkway_near_the_exits_for_U.S._Route_1_and_Interstate_95_in_southern_Baltimore_City%2C_Maryland.jpg/800px-thumbnail.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on June 21, 2019, 11:09:32 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on June 21, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
Does anyone in the Baltimore area know if these signs are still here?  I think it's at the northern terminus of MD-295.  I'm planning to make a trip that way tomorrow and was going to stop to take a photo.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2695859,-76.6339567,3a,37.5y,47.42h,86.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smOwQyJVi9r_r4Wc_f-dRCQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The latest I could see is November 2018 from I-95... you can make out the back of the sign which appears the same.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: OracleUsr on June 21, 2019, 11:57:35 PM
If you go to

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2722556,-76.6302791,3a,75y,240.12h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQJG0gRbQY92ded_aBNFnQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It's Aug 2018, but you can see the sign was still there then.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on June 22, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on June 21, 2019, 11:57:35 PM
If you go to

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2722556,-76.6302791,3a,75y,240.12h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQJG0gRbQY92ded_aBNFnQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It's Aug 2018, but you can see the sign was still there then.

They are!  But they will all be replaced when the triple bridges rehab are done by 2023.  I took the pic last Saturday.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48076024878_67700bb7ed_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gfjcfE)

the same with these:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48076278692_93cca2705a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gfkuGL)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ipeters61 on June 22, 2019, 06:45:15 PM
Yeah it's still there, so I'll join you guys in posting my own photo!

(https://i.ibb.co/k2GMCKV/IMG-6476.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hFgCzsx)

Also picked up a few other interesting signs:

2 hour parking:
(https://i.ibb.co/yfr1nr3/IMG-6474.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bWkZgkf)

Begin one way:
(https://i.ibb.co/nkKxrGm/IMG-6468.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjVH2CQ)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on June 24, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: ipeters61 on June 22, 2019, 06:45:15 PM
Yeah it's still there, so I'll join you guys in posting my own photo!

(https://i.ibb.co/k2GMCKV/IMG-6476.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hFgCzsx)

Also picked up a few other interesting signs:

2 hour parking:
(https://i.ibb.co/yfr1nr3/IMG-6474.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bWkZgkf)

Begin one way:
(https://i.ibb.co/nkKxrGm/IMG-6468.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjVH2CQ)
Love the 95/1 gantries.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 05, 2019, 10:39:04 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on May 22, 2019, 02:13:51 PM
Looks like I-95 north of Baltimore will be crawling with speed cameras. Noticed covered up signs just south of MD 279 in Elkton and signs covered southbound near Perryville (assume the Tydings Bridge and toll plaza preclude one NB). Both are bridge projects. Oddly, ongoing bridge projects near MD 272 and south of Bel Air don't have them.

A NB project between MD 152 and MD 24 will also have NB cameras when it starts.

Cameras start operating July 8, with tickets starting three weeks after.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/work-zone-speed-camera-enforcement-begins-i-95-cecil-county
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on July 08, 2019, 11:49:43 PM
If MD 149 ever was to be built, where would it have ended? I know the west end was why the ghost ramps at Morovia Road exit on I-95, but the east end was to continue through the I-695 and MD 702 interchange hence the long flyovers over nothing and the ghost freeway and why the big bend on I-695 now to the west of MD 702 as another interchange would have been built connecting MD 149 to I-695 at that end creating a short concurrency with the interstate.

I believe the never built MD 149 was to be called the Windlass Freeway also.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 11, 2019, 10:15:45 AM
Depends on which map, year, or plan you looked at:

- A 1957 Baltimore County plan extended the Windlass across the Gunpowder River into Harford County.  It is unknown where it would have gone in Harford County or whether it would have penetrated the Aberdeen Proving Grounds.

- The 1964 BMATS plan had it continuing to an extended White Marsh (MD 43) north of the Williams Estates subdivision (and east of the extended 43 that did get built)...this also appears on a 1961 Esso map and a 1963 Baltimore Sun article.

- A 1965 statewide plan had the Windlass looping around to the north and west as part of the never-built Outer Beltway.

- A 1967 regional development plan had it extending northeast to near Chase, then turning north across the Bird River and meeting I-95 between Big Gunpowder Falls and the Bradshaw Rd overpass.  An at-grade extension of this 1967 plan continued a roadway to the never-built Perring Parkway (a freeway from 695 to Bel Air roughly paralleling MD 147).

Per mdroads, it was officially killed off in the mid-1970s.

At one point, the big bend on 695 would have not only interchanged with the Windlass but also would have had an extension of the Patapsco Freeway (695 to the south of the bend) on a more direct line to the Beltway near Exit 34.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 12, 2019, 05:11:08 PM
Regarding MD 149 between I-95 and I-695, would the freeway have been built north or south of Windlass Run? Would it have been built at ground level or on an elevated viaduct? The maps I've seen don't go down to this level of detail.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on July 24, 2019, 08:30:55 AM
After Labor Day, things will start ceasing to be nifty on 301/50.

That's when season 1 of a 2-winter redecking of one lane of the wb WPLJrMB will begin.

https://wtop.com/maryland/2019/07/major-delays-expected-at-bay-bridge-much-of-next-two-years/

https://www.facebook.com/pg/TheMDTA/posts/

ixnay



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 30, 2019, 08:35:39 AM
Just drove up from Baltimore to Delaware this morning and noticed a few things:

- The road work to add a lane on NB I-95 between MD 152 and MD 24 is starting.  There are lane shifts already implemented.  Speed camera signs are up but are covered.
- All three camera zones on I-95 north of the Tydings Bridge had active cameras, including a portable tripod unit with a small car hidden well behind the porta potty (it wasn't marked on Waze, so my guess is nobody picked it up).  Hadn't seen a non-vehicle mounted camera in years, but they are back.  The message is don't rely on looking for an SUV behind the porta potty.
- There was a covered up sign installed on an approach to the Hatem Bridge.  My guess is they have already installed signage for cashless tolling.  There is no gantry up yet on the south end of the bridge.  The toll plaza is down to two lanes now (one E-ZPass, one mixed mode).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
Quote- All three camera zones on I-95 north of the Tydings Bridge had active cameras, including a portable tripod unit with a small car hidden well behind the porta potty (it wasn't marked on Waze, so my guess is nobody picked it up).  Hadn't seen a non-vehicle mounted camera in years, but they are back.  The message is don't rely on looking for an SUV behind the porta potty.

The better message is:  don't go more than 10 over the limit and you won't have to worry about where the speed cameras are hidden.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 30, 2019, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
Quote- All three camera zones on I-95 north of the Tydings Bridge had active cameras, including a portable tripod unit with a small car hidden well behind the porta potty (it wasn't marked on Waze, so my guess is nobody picked it up).  Hadn't seen a non-vehicle mounted camera in years, but they are back.  The message is don't rely on looking for an SUV behind the porta potty.

The better message is:  don't go more than 10 over the limit and you won't have to worry about where the speed cameras are hidden.

A great message, but one I've noticed many people don't know...

My other pet peeve is those who slow to 65 in the express toll lanes on the Delaware Turnpike. Cmon people, there's no speed cameras there! If there's no one screwing me up by slowing down, I go thru them at 75, no sweat.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 30, 2019, 08:45:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
Quote- All three camera zones on I-95 north of the Tydings Bridge had active cameras, including a portable tripod unit with a small car hidden well behind the porta potty (it wasn't marked on Waze, so my guess is nobody picked it up).  Hadn't seen a non-vehicle mounted camera in years, but they are back.  The message is don't rely on looking for an SUV behind the porta potty.

The better message is:  don't go more than 10 over the limit and you won't have to worry about where the speed cameras are hidden.


Assuming they are well calibrated and tag the right vehicle
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
^^ Are you sure?  I don't remember where offhand, but I know of EZPass express lanes where they do record your speed as you go under the gantry.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 30, 2019, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
^^ Are you sure?  I don't remember where offhand, but I know of EZPass express lanes where they do record your speed as you go under the gantry.
Considering I've done it dozens of times over the past 4 years, yeah, pretty sure.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on July 30, 2019, 10:24:04 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
^^ Are you sure?  I don't remember where offhand, but I know of EZPass express lanes where they do record your speed as you go under the gantry.
Why should those gantries be allowed to act as speed cameras? It should be strictly used for its one intended purpose - scanning license plates or E-ZPass (or whatever tag depending on where you are) transponders.

I'm not aware of any that exist...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 30, 2019, 10:58:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 30, 2019, 10:24:04 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
^^ Are you sure?  I don't remember where offhand, but I know of EZPass express lanes where they do record your speed as you go under the gantry.
Why should those gantries be allowed to act as speed cameras? It should be strictly used for its one intended purpose - scanning license plates or E-ZPass (or whatever tag depending on where you are) transponders.

I'm not aware of any that exist...

I seem to recall there are some that do that in Massachusetts.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on July 31, 2019, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: famartin on July 30, 2019, 10:58:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 30, 2019, 10:24:04 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
^^ Are you sure?  I don't remember where offhand, but I know of EZPass express lanes where they do record your speed as you go under the gantry.
Why should those gantries be allowed to act as speed cameras? It should be strictly used for its one intended purpose - scanning license plates or E-ZPass (or whatever tag depending on where you are) transponders.

I'm not aware of any that exist...

I seem to recall there are some that do that in Massachusetts.
I've used the Mass Pike (I-90) many times & passed through several gantries since their conversion to AET.  My monthly statement only lists the date/time for the first gantry I pass through and the date/time for the final gantry I go through.  No listings for any gantries in-between as well as speed.  At least for that road, a speeder can always stop at one of the Service Plazas for a short bit resulting in an increase in overall elapsed time and average speed.

If those AET gantries, regardless of which state, are being used for speed enforcement purposes; advance signage listing such, similar to what one sees for traffic light cameras and (in MD) photo speed enforcement for work zones, I believe are required by law.  Otherwise, such is considered to be entrapment.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on July 31, 2019, 01:00:16 PM
I'm not sure if I've heard of a gantry being used for speed enforcement, but I do know that the Thruway used to harass people for going too fast through E-ZPass lanes, even sending violation notices and threatening expulsion from the program.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on July 31, 2019, 01:04:31 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 31, 2019, 01:00:16 PM
I'm not sure if I've heard of a gantry being used for speed enforcement, but I do know that the Thruway used to harass people for going too fast through E-ZPass lanes, even sending violation notices and threatening expulsion from the program.
Do they still do it? That stuff should be illegal IMO.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 31, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 31, 2019, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: famartin on July 30, 2019, 10:58:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 30, 2019, 10:24:04 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
^^ Are you sure?  I don't remember where offhand, but I know of EZPass express lanes where they do record your speed as you go under the gantry.
Why should those gantries be allowed to act as speed cameras? It should be strictly used for its one intended purpose - scanning license plates or E-ZPass (or whatever tag depending on where you are) transponders.

I'm not aware of any that exist...

I seem to recall there are some that do that in Massachusetts.
I've used the Mass Pike (I-90) many times & passed through several gantries since their conversion to AET.  My monthly statement only lists the date/time for the first gantry I pass through and the date/time for the final gantry I go through.  No listings for any gantries in-between as well as speed.  At least for that road, a speeder can always stop at one of the Service Plazas for a short bit resulting in an increase in overall elapsed time and average speed.

If those AET gantries, regardless of which state, are being used for speed enforcement purposes; advance signage listing such, similar to what one sees for traffic light cameras and (in MD) photo speed enforcement for work zones, I believe are required by law.  Otherwise, such is considered to be entrapment.

Maybe I just read that they could be used for such. This article mentions they do clock speed but aren't being used for enforcement.
https://www.masslive.com/news/2016/07/yes_those_new_electronic_toll.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on July 31, 2019, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: famartin on July 31, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
Maybe I just read that they could be used for such. This article mentions they do clock speed but aren't being used for enforcement.
https://www.masslive.com/news/2016/07/yes_those_new_electronic_toll.html
If MassDOT or, more precisely, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts ever considered such; there would be a firestorm of protests and/or legal challenges like you wouldn't believe... to a point where either such wouldn't see the light of day or, if such was enacted, would be repealed very quicly via a ballot referendum.

Your linked-article also mentioned the practice being struck down in other areas/states.
Quote from: Mass Live articleBut the practice has not been without legal challenges. In Cincinnati, Ohio, a judge ordered cameras used to ticket speeders shut down.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on August 05, 2019, 03:57:22 PM
Things may soon be back to normal on MD 213 in Centreville...

https://www.myeasternshoremd.com/kent_county_news/news/road-projects-in-centreville-nearing-completion/article_cb5af4f0-5f68-53af-a0c9-775d516f2e67.html

and if you hit the paywall there, try

https://outline.com/XjvnpL

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on August 07, 2019, 04:50:39 PM
The Hickory Bypass, which was done in the early 00's, was not built as the original freeway or super two it was intended to be.  Nor was the MD 24 bypass, which was designed to be a cloverleaf, but ended up as a signalized T using two of the planned ramps to be cutoffs instead.

I often wondered why MDSHA did not built at least the diamond interchange at the end of the old Bel Air Bypass as stubs and ramps were built. In fact Water Tower Blvd, was the former Bel Air Bypass access from MD 23.  I know things change in the area of roads, but wondered why MDSHA opted for an at grade bypass for Hickory and redid the former stub ending of the Bel Air Bypass at US 1 Business?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 07, 2019, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: roadman65The Hickory Bypass, which was done in the early 00's, was not built as the original freeway or super two it was intended to be.

The idea of a US 1 freeway was long dead by the time SHA got around to the Hickory Bypass.

QuoteNor was the MD 24 bypass, which was designed to be a cloverleaf semi-directional T, but ended up as a signalized T using two of the planned ramps to be cutoffs instead.

FTFY.  Going back to 1959, it was never intended as a cloverleaf.  The 1959 plan was a modified directional-T with a single loop ramp from NB 24 to SB 1.  The town's 1979 master plan (documented in the EIS) had a semi-directional T.  The 2000 Preferred Alternative was to build the interchange as a trumpet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 08, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 07, 2019, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: roadman65The Hickory Bypass, which was done in the early 00's, was not built as the original freeway or super two it was intended to be.

The idea of a US 1 freeway was long dead by the time SHA got around to the Hickory Bypass.

QuoteNor was the MD 24 bypass, which was designed to be a cloverleaf semi-directional T, but ended up as a signalized T using two of the planned ramps to be cutoffs instead.

FTFY.  Going back to 1959, it was never intended as a cloverleaf.  The 1959 plan was a modified directional-T with a single loop ramp from NB 24 to SB 1.  The town's 1979 master plan (documented in the EIS) had a semi-directional T.  The 2000 Preferred Alternative was to build the interchange as a trumpet.

This forum post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20861.msg2249013#msg2249013) has the diagrams showing the plans from 1959, and includes the parclo layout for the original proposed upgrade for MD 23. This PDF (http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/HA888_22/HTDOCS/Maps/Final_Design/Selected%20Alt%204BMod%206.22.2000.pdf) posted by the SHA on the project page shows the current plan for the upgrade of the Bel Air Bypass.

I am looking forward to the completion of this project - it's every bit as needed as the US 50/MD 404 interchange construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on September 11, 2019, 05:12:42 PM
Kind of curious...besides Baltimore and the I-495 Beltway signs on MD-193 and MD-97, are there any other button copy signs in Maryland?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2019, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 30, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
^^ Are you sure?  I don't remember where offhand, but I know of EZPass express lanes where they do record your speed as you go under the gantry.

Maryland's can indeed do that - at least the ones on MD-200. 

I am not able to go into more detail here, but will gladly explain privately.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on September 12, 2019, 12:01:20 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2019, 11:01:48 PM
I am not able to go into more detail here, but will gladly explain privately.
Could you elaborate more in PM? I'm curious to know as of specifically how they do.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 13, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 12, 2019, 12:01:20 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 11, 2019, 11:01:48 PM
I am not able to go into more detail here, but will gladly explain privately.
Could you elaborate more in PM? I'm curious to know as of specifically how they do.

It is not from a public source and I prefer not to.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 13, 2019, 03:35:57 PM
On a road like the ICC, it would be relatively straightforward to use E-ZPass to determine speed for the majority of users because most users presumably pass under multiple gantries. Since you know the distance from gantry "A" to gantry "B," it's easy to determine the minimum amount of time it would take to go between them if the driver is obeying the speed limit (especially easy on that road since the speed limit is 60 mph for most of its length).

This is similar to the insidious "average speed check" system used in some work zones in the United Kingdom–there will be multiple speed cameras some distance apart, they all read your number plate, and if you passed them too quickly, you get a ticket. (Frankly, I'm mildly surprised neither DC nor Maryland has adopted that sort of system.)

I'm guessing from the way cpzilliacus worded his comments that Maryland's system probably does something different from what I just described, but in deference to his most recent reply I will not push the issue. I just wanted to mention one obvious technique they could use if they chose.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on September 13, 2019, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 13, 2019, 03:35:57 PM
On a road like the ICC, it would be relatively straightforward to use E-ZPass to determine speed for the majority of users because most users presumably pass under multiple gantries. Since you know the distance from gantry "A" to gantry "B," it's easy to determine the minimum amount of time it would take to go between them if the driver is obeying the speed limit (especially easy on that road since the speed limit is 60 mph for most of its length).

This is similar to the insidious "average speed check" system used in some work zones in the United Kingdom–there will be multiple speed cameras some distance apart, they all read your number plate, and if you passed them too quickly, you get a ticket. (Frankly, I'm mildly surprised neither DC nor Maryland has adopted that sort of system.)

I'm guessing from the way cpzilliacus worded his comments that Maryland's system probably does something different from what I just described, but in deference to his most recent reply I will not push the issue. I just wanted to mention one obvious technique they could use if they chose.

if the tag sensor and the plate camera fire at different times and share a common time source, you could compare timestamps to determine speed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on September 15, 2019, 10:49:59 PM
Last I heard, E-ZPass was used for traffic data -- identifying information is stripped away -- but cannot be used for speed enforcement.

However, it can be used to find out if you're guilty of murder, like in the infamous Porco case.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on September 16, 2019, 12:02:00 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 15, 2019, 10:49:59 PM
Last I heard, E-ZPass was used for traffic data -- identifying information is stripped away -- but cannot be used for speed enforcement.

However, it can be used to find out if you're guilty of murder, like in the infamous Porco case.
After doing a little bit of research on the Porco case, it appears all that happened in regards to tolls was that a toll collector mentioned seeing the same car pass through around 10pm and 2am on the New York State Thruway. Remember, this was the early 2000s and while electronic tolling did exist, it was relatively new and likely not in place at the time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 16, 2019, 08:46:44 AM
Quote from: sprjus4Remember, this was the early 2000s and while electronic tolling did exist, it was relatively new and likely not in place at the time.

Not the case.  The Thruway was the first agency to implement EZPass, beginning in 1993.  It was fully installed Thruway-wide by the late '90s.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 16, 2019, 09:01:28 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 15, 2019, 10:49:59 PM
Last I heard, E-ZPass was used for traffic data -- identifying information is stripped away -- but cannot be used for speed enforcement.

....

I believe it can be used for speed enforcement (or could be if a given state's law allowed for it) but in practice isn't so used, partly because it would discourage people from getting E-ZPass.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on September 16, 2019, 08:22:46 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 16, 2019, 08:46:44 AM
Quote from: sprjus4Remember, this was the early 2000s and while electronic tolling did exist, it was relatively new and likely not in place at the time.

Not the case.  The Thruway was the first agency to implement EZPass, beginning in 1993.  It was fully installed Thruway-wide by the late '90s.
Nonetheless, E-ZPass was not the way they found that person - it was an observation by a toll collector.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 17, 2019, 09:01:55 AM
^ Fair enough.  But you were implying that EZPass did not exist at the time when it already been added some years prior.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on September 19, 2019, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 16, 2019, 09:01:28 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 15, 2019, 10:49:59 PM
Last I heard, E-ZPass was used for traffic data -- identifying information is stripped away -- but cannot be used for speed enforcement.

....

I believe it can be used for speed enforcement (or could be if a given state's law allowed for it) but in practice isn't so used, partly because it would discourage people from getting E-ZPass.

That's right.  But if they install cameras to track toll violators (or allow for a toll by plate system), then those cameras can be used as part of an automatic toll system and not use EZ-Pass at all.  I would imagine that the contract between E-ZPass and the state authorities prevent using E-ZPass as a direct measure for speed enforcement.

In MD, photo enforced speed limits along freeways are only allowed in construction zones.  (On surface streets, they are limited to school zones, but in MoCo they can be used just about anywhere the speed limit is 40 or lower.)  So state law prevents the gantries from issuing an automatic ticket.  However, they could still use the technology to inform police of a violation and then radio the police officers to issue a ticket.  In the early days of the ICC, when it was really empty as people didn't want to pay tolls, you would generally see a bunch of police cars in the shoulder lying in wait to nab someone for exceeding the speed limit, moreso than on similar roadways like I-95 or the Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 19, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
The second northbound speed camera on I-95 will be activated Monday near Bel Air.  The frustrating thing is the MDTA is burying these releases - they are not on the homepage but rather in the Travel Advisories Blog of the News Room (or you have to look at their Twitter feed).  I believe they're supposed to publicize deployment but they seem to be not following the spirit of that law.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/work-zone-speed-camera-enforcement-begins-northbound-i-95
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on September 19, 2019, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 19, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
The second northbound speed camera on I-95 will be activated Monday near Bel Air.  The frustrating thing is the MDTA is burying these releases - they are not on the homepage but rather in the Travel Advisories Blog of the News Room (or you have to look at their Twitter feed).  I believe they're supposed to publicize deployment but they seem to be not following the spirit of that law.

I wish there was some way that they could quicken the completion of the Beltway bridge replacements near Glen Arden.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on September 19, 2019, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 19, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
The second northbound speed camera on I-95 will be activated Monday near Bel Air.  The frustrating thing is the MDTA is burying these releases - they are not on the homepage but rather in the Travel Advisories Blog of the News Room (or you have to look at their Twitter feed).  I believe they're supposed to publicize deployment but they seem to be not following the spirit of that law.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/work-zone-speed-camera-enforcement-begins-northbound-i-95
By law, they also are required to post adequate signage on the freeway warning that a speed trap camera is ahead IIRC.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on September 20, 2019, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 19, 2019, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 19, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
The second northbound speed camera on I-95 will be activated Monday near Bel Air.  The frustrating thing is the MDTA is burying these releases - they are not on the homepage but rather in the Travel Advisories Blog of the News Room (or you have to look at their Twitter feed).  I believe they're supposed to publicize deployment but they seem to be not following the spirit of that law.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/work-zone-speed-camera-enforcement-begins-northbound-i-95
By law, they also are required to post adequate signage on the freeway warning that a speed trap camera is ahead IIRC.

Yes. And in my experience the signage on the freeway warning of a camera is pretty good.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on September 26, 2019, 08:25:06 AM
Speaking of cameras, the webcams on the wb Bay Bridge are showing three lanes of wb traffic.  Wasn't the right lane going to be closed starting this week for lonnnnnnng term construction?

ixnay

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on September 26, 2019, 08:27:18 AM
Quote from: ixnay on September 26, 2019, 08:25:06 AM
Speaking of cameras, the webcams on the wb Bay Bridge are showing three lanes of wb traffic.  Wasn't the right lane going to be closed starting this week for lonnnnnnng term construction?

ixnay
Delayed til the 30th.
https://baybridge.maryland.gov
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 02, 2019, 07:55:10 AM
It's underway.  This morning it looks like the crew is working on the east channel bridge per the CHART webcams.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 19, 2019, 03:37:38 PM
So I drove the Hatem Bridge today for the first time since it went cashless.  What is interesting is that the gantry before the bridge does not seem to be active.  Instead, there are signs at the toll plaza that note to keep moving (where "Bill By Mail"  is also mentioned) and the displays still show "Paid"  when driving through.  Also, the signage on approach to the bridge mentions nothing about the Bill by Mail method. Instead, the guide signs say "E-ZPass"  and "No Cash" .

I think the point is MD's signage makes it seem like the cashless roads are exclusive to E-ZPass rather than open to non-tagholders via video tolling.

(https://i.ibb.co/J700P6D/IMG-3760.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J700P6D)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on October 26, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Why is Maryland expanding the I-95 Toll lanes only northbound to Rt 24, and not southbound?
Any plans to do it both ways?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Revive 755 on October 26, 2019, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 19, 2019, 03:37:38 PM
So I drove the Hatem Bridge today for the first time since it went cashless.  What is interesting is that the gantry before the bridge does not seem to be active.  Instead, there are signs at the toll plaza that note to keep moving (where "Bill By Mail"  is also mentioned) and the displays still show "Paid"  when driving through.  Also, the signage on approach to the bridge mentions nothing about the Bill by Mail method. Instead, the guide signs say "E-ZPass"  and "No Cash" .

I think the point is MD's signage makes it seem like the cashless roads are exclusive to E-ZPass rather than open to non-tagholders via video tolling.

(https://i.ibb.co/J700P6D/IMG-3760.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J700P6D)

Based on Chapter 2F of the National Edition of the MUTCD (https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2/part2f.pdf) and Figure 2F-4, the signs would need the word "ONLY" under the E-Z Pass symbol if only E-Z Passes drivers could use the bridge.  Consider how well signing is done in the real world though . . . particularly when the pictured sign may be in violation of the MUTCD's prohibition of having auxiliary signs directly mounted onto bigger green signs with the "NO CASH" plaque (MUTCD 2D.16, Paragraph 06).

Might be something to comment on for the next edition of the MUTCD.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on October 26, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 26, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Why is Maryland expanding the I-95 Toll lanes only northbound to Rt 24, and not southbound?
Any plans to do it both ways?
The MD legislature passed a law that set a debt limit for MDTA, severely curtailing their ability to build new facilities or expand existing ones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on October 26, 2019, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 26, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 26, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Why is Maryland expanding the I-95 Toll lanes only northbound to Rt 24, and not southbound?
Any plans to do it both ways?
The MD legislature passed a law that set a debt limit for MDTA, severely curtailing their ability to build new facilities or expand existing ones.

Economics and sound financial management has a way of doing that!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 27, 2019, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 26, 2019, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 26, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 26, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Why is Maryland expanding the I-95 Toll lanes only northbound to Rt 24, and not southbound?
Any plans to do it both ways?
The MD legislature passed a law that set a debt limit for MDTA, severely curtailing their ability to build new facilities or expand existing ones.

Economics and sound financial management has a way of doing that!

The General Assembly does not need to set a limit on MDTA debt, since it is paid-back by toll revenues, not tax dollars.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2019, 11:33:31 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 27, 2019, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 26, 2019, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 26, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 26, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Why is Maryland expanding the I-95 Toll lanes only northbound to Rt 24, and not southbound?
Any plans to do it both ways?
The MD legislature passed a law that set a debt limit for MDTA, severely curtailing their ability to build new facilities or expand existing ones.

Economics and sound financial management has a way of doing that!

The General Assembly does not need to set a limit on MDTA debt, since it is paid-back by toll revenues, not tax dollars.
Exactly. Their capacity to bond on the open market is what should determine the debt they can carry. If they try to raise more than they're worth, the bonds will sink and I would think they have enough financial acumen to avoid that scenario. NJTA is an example of an agency that does an excellent job of financial forecasting and bonding within its means.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 29, 2019, 05:58:57 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?

Will anything ever happen with the US 219 bypass in Oakland?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 29, 2019, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?

Is that supposed to be widening?  Dualization?  Major reconstruction?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 29, 2019, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 29, 2019, 05:58:57 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?

Will anything ever happen with the US 219 bypass in Oakland?
It doesn't look promising to me. 
Quote8/2/2019   MDOT SHA is currently evaluating the purpose and need for the US 219 Oakland project. The results of this evaluation will determine what transportation issues need to be addressed, and what strategies and solutions can be implemented to address current needs. This evaluation will be completed by Fall 2019.
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=GA5992111
It's been stuck in a holding pattern for at least 5 years. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 29, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?
Quote10/1/2019   This project is currently at 40.2% and is expected to be totally completed by end of construction season 2020.


Construction crews recently completed installing manholes and inlets on the Northbound side of US 40 Alt. Excavation was started on the footers for the bridge on the North side of US 40 Alt.


Currently crews will be working on placing common borrow on North bound and South bound lanes, North side of US 40 Alt. excavating for retaining wall 2 will be continuing and construction for building the bridge over Us 40 Alt. will continue.


No impact to traffic at this time
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=GA6465211
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 29, 2019, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: BrianP on October 29, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?
Quote10/1/2019   This project is currently at 40.2% and is expected to be totally completed by end of construction season 2020.


Construction crews recently completed installing manholes and inlets on the Northbound side of US 40 Alt. Excavation was started on the footers for the bridge on the North side of US 40 Alt.


Currently crews will be working on placing common borrow on North bound and South bound lanes, North side of US 40 Alt. excavating for retaining wall 2 will be continuing and construction for building the bridge over Us 40 Alt. will continue.


No impact to traffic at this time
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=GA6465211

I saw work on this when I drove US 219 north of I-68 in order to finish my clinch of it back in August.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 29, 2019, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: BrianP on October 29, 2019, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 29, 2019, 05:58:57 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?

Will anything ever happen with the US 219 bypass in Oakland?
It doesn't look promising to me. 
Quote8/2/2019   MDOT SHA is currently evaluating the purpose and need for the US 219 Oakland project. The results of this evaluation will determine what transportation issues need to be addressed, and what strategies and solutions can be implemented to address current needs. This evaluation will be completed by Fall 2019.
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=GA5992111
It's been stuck in a holding pattern for at least 5 years.

That's disappointing. US 219 is quite busy within Oakland town limits and carries a lot of through tourist traffic and some heavy trucks to/from I-68, Deep Creek Lake, the Monongahela National Forest and Canaan Valley. Removal of that through traffic would allow Third St to be streetscaped and improve the pedestrian facilities.

I checked the 2018 AADT (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Traffic_Volume_Maps/Traffic_Volume_Maps.pdf) for US 219 in Oakland. Third St handled an average of 14052 vehicles, with the segment just north of the intersection with MD 39 handling 11582 vehicles. The segment of US 219 between MD 39 and MD 135 handled 12782 vehicles and the segment of Maryland Hwy beyond the US 219 intersection handled 10612 vehicles. Are these numbers small enough to make a relatively basic and simple bypass of the sort proposed for US 219 marginal enough to be discarded?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on October 29, 2019, 09:01:18 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 26, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 26, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Why is Maryland expanding the I-95 Toll lanes only northbound to Rt 24, and not southbound?
Any plans to do it both ways?
The MD legislature passed a law that set a debt limit for MDTA, severely curtailing their ability to build new facilities or expand existing ones.
Will they eventually be southbound?
I wonder why they choose just north first?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 30, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 29, 2019, 09:01:18 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 26, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 26, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Why is Maryland expanding the I-95 Toll lanes only northbound to Rt 24, and not southbound?
Any plans to do it both ways?
The MD legislature passed a law that set a debt limit for MDTA, severely curtailing their ability to build new facilities or expand existing ones.
Will they eventually be southbound?
I wonder why they choose just north first?

I-95 between MP 70 and MP 78 experiences a disproportionate number of crashes, on both sides of the highway, especially in the vicinity of Exit 74. I-95 north also experiences significant backups between MP 73 and Exit 77 due to the northbound lane drop and the weaving onto the exit ramps for MD 24/924. Constructing the northbound carriageway first will decrease the chances of the second problem occurring, and help address the first.

I remember reading that additional money had been appropriated to allow both sides of the ETLs to be built at the same time; clearly something has changed and the northbound carriageway is the only one planned to be built for now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 01, 2019, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 30, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
I-95 between MP 70 and MP 78 experiences a disproportionate number of crashes, on both sides of the highway, especially in the vicinity of Exit 74. I-95 north also experiences significant backups between MP 73 and Exit 77 due to the northbound lane drop and the weaving onto the exit ramps for MD 24/924. Constructing the northbound carriageway first will decrease the chances of the second problem occurring, and help address the first.

I remember reading that additional money had been appropriated to allow both sides of the ETLs to be built at the same time; clearly something has changed and the northbound carriageway is the only one planned to be built for now.

There is generally no money appropriated by the General Assembly for any MDTA road projects, with some exceptions.

The agency is "unbudgeted," meaning that it usually gets no (tax) dollars from the General Fund and no (tax) dollars from the Transportation Trust Fund.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on November 02, 2019, 07:20:12 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 01, 2019, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 30, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
I-95 between MP 70 and MP 78 experiences a disproportionate number of crashes, on both sides of the highway, especially in the vicinity of Exit 74. I-95 north also experiences significant backups between MP 73 and Exit 77 due to the northbound lane drop and the weaving onto the exit ramps for MD 24/924. Constructing the northbound carriageway first will decrease the chances of the second problem occurring, and help address the first.

I remember reading that additional money had been appropriated to allow both sides of the ETLs to be built at the same time; clearly something has changed and the northbound carriageway is the only one planned to be built for now.

There is generally no money appropriated by the General Assembly for any MDTA road projects, with some exceptions.

The agency is "unbudgeted," meaning that it usually gets no (tax) dollars from the General Fund and no (tax) dollars from the Transportation Trust Fund.
In fairness, it's a toll agency. Tax dollars IMO shouldn't fund something that in return you still have to pay -again- in tolls. It's either toll funded, or tax funded. I agree with that policy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 02, 2019, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 02, 2019, 07:20:12 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 01, 2019, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 30, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
I-95 between MP 70 and MP 78 experiences a disproportionate number of crashes, on both sides of the highway, especially in the vicinity of Exit 74. I-95 north also experiences significant backups between MP 73 and Exit 77 due to the northbound lane drop and the weaving onto the exit ramps for MD 24/924. Constructing the northbound carriageway first will decrease the chances of the second problem occurring, and help address the first.

I remember reading that additional money had been appropriated to allow both sides of the ETLs to be built at the same time; clearly something has changed and the northbound carriageway is the only one planned to be built for now.

There is generally no money appropriated by the General Assembly for any MDTA road projects, with some exceptions.

The agency is "unbudgeted," meaning that it usually gets no (tax) dollars from the General Fund and no (tax) dollars from the Transportation Trust Fund.
In fairness, it's a toll agency. Tax dollars IMO shouldn't fund something that in return you still have to pay -again- in tolls. It's either toll funded, or tax funded. I agree with that policy.

That's logical. Apparently I misinterpreted this report (https://www.i95exitguide.com/roadnews/maryland-adds-890-million-to-extend-i-95-express-toll-lanes/) when it was posted on the forum.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on November 02, 2019, 09:36:58 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on November 02, 2019, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 02, 2019, 07:20:12 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 01, 2019, 10:33:48 PM
There is generally no money appropriated by the General Assembly for any MDTA road projects, with some exceptions.
The agency is "unbudgeted," meaning that it usually gets no (tax) dollars from the General Fund and no (tax) dollars from the Transportation Trust Fund.
In fairness, it's a toll agency. Tax dollars IMO shouldn't fund something that in return you still have to pay -again- in tolls. It's either toll funded, or tax funded. I agree with that policy.
That's logical. Apparently I misinterpreted this report (https://www.i95exitguide.com/roadnews/maryland-adds-890-million-to-extend-i-95-express-toll-lanes/) when it was posted on the forum.
Money is fungible.  I have no problem with the concept of toll-assisted project funding (combination of toll revenue bonds and tax funding accounts).  Depends on what is needed to get the project funded.

MDTA does utilize some funding from state and federal tax funds.

https://www.transportation.gov/tifia/financed-projects/intercounty-connector

Funding Sources:
Federal
-- GARVEE Bonds: $788.1M (backed by future Federal aid receipts)
-- Special Federal Funds: $19.3M (National Corridor Planning and Border Infrastructure Program funding, SAFETEA-LU National Corridor Improvement Program and high priority project funding)
State
-- MdTA Toll Revenue Bonds and Cash: $800.7M (backed by future MdTA system toll revenue)
-- TIFIA Loan: $516M (backed by future MdTA system toll revenue)
-- State of Maryland Transportation Trust Fund: $180M (motor fuel tax receipts, motor vehicle excise taxes, motor vehicle fees, corporate income taxes, operating revenues)
-- State of Maryland General Fund and General Obligation Bonds: $264.9M
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on November 02, 2019, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 29, 2019, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: BrianP on October 29, 2019, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 29, 2019, 05:58:57 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Has anything ever happened  with the US 219 project north of 68?

Will anything ever happen with the US 219 bypass in Oakland?
It doesn't look promising to me. 
Quote8/2/2019   MDOT SHA is currently evaluating the purpose and need for the US 219 Oakland project. The results of this evaluation will determine what transportation issues need to be addressed, and what strategies and solutions can be implemented to address current needs. This evaluation will be completed by Fall 2019.
http://apps.roads.maryland.gov/WebProjectLifeCycle/ProjectSchedule.aspx?projectno=GA5992111
It's been stuck in a holding pattern for at least 5 years.

That's disappointing. US 219 is quite busy within Oakland town limits and carries a lot of through tourist traffic and some heavy trucks to/from I-68, Deep Creek Lake, the Monongahela National Forest and Canaan Valley. Removal of that through traffic would allow Third St to be streetscaped and improve the pedestrian facilities.

I checked the 2018 AADT (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Traffic_Volume_Maps/Traffic_Volume_Maps.pdf) for US 219 in Oakland. Third St handled an average of 14052 vehicles, with the segment just north of the intersection with MD 39 handling 11582 vehicles. The segment of US 219 between MD 39 and MD 135 handled 12782 vehicles and the segment of Maryland Hwy beyond the US 219 intersection handled 10612 vehicles. Are these numbers small enough to make a relatively basic and simple bypass of the sort proposed for US 219 marginal enough to be discarded?

I can't speak to Maryland's funding priorities, but I do agree a bypass of Oakland would be helpful in serving through traffic and getting it out of downtown. It would probably also pull traffic off the county-maintained Sand Flat Road, which serves as a shortcut between MD 560/Loch Lynn Heights and the north.

While not quite as bad, development and tourist traffic around Deep Creek Lake is turning that stretch of US 219 into a slower-moving slog during busier times of the year. I don't see any readily feasible fixes for that area, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 09, 2019, 04:59:03 PM
Pete Rahn leaving the job of Maryland's Secretary of Transportation, to be replaced by State Highway Administrator Greg Slater.

Baltimore Sun: Maryland transportation secretary Rahn to leave Hogan administration; state highway chief to take over (https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-20191209-bsuwzpnnv5ht3ot2e7ogkvkl2i-story.html?fbclid=IwAR35K-Lnul_EPtk3jQ6yKAQIJiFsr655CgIIJsP0_pFQri2F_4JRZ59OyPc)

QuoteMaryland's transportation secretary, Pete Rahn, is leaving his position, Gov. Larry Hogan announced Monday.

QuoteRahn has run the Department of Transportation since 2015, overseeing the state's highways, mass transit systems, toll facilities, Motor Vehicle Administration, the Port of Baltimore and BWI Thurgood Marshall Airport.

QuoteThe governor has chosen Greg Slater, a 20-year state employee who has headed the State Highway Administration since 2017, to replace Rahn.

QuoteAmong Rahn's key efforts was a plan to hire contractors to add toll lanes to widen the Capital Beltway and Interstate 270 in the Washington area; the private firms would receive toll revenue from the completed projects. The Hogan administration has touted the plan as the largest public-private partnership or "P3"  in the world, although it has its detractors.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2019, 09:28:00 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else find something distinct about the various liquor stores along US 301 in Charles County, Maryland? I'm not sure what it is, but it seems like they're fishing for customers who can't get certain types of alcohol in Virginia or other counties, or whatever the deal is.


But either way, there's this one in LaPlata that's right next to a strip mall.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Colonial_Liquors;_US_301;_LaPlata,_Maryland.jpg

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fast+Track+Tag+%26+Title/@38.5358879,-76.9835227,1409m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b708ec3c769def:0xfad0601c7ee7b78d!8m2!3d38.5363732!4d-76.9827676?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5359678,-76.9835338,3a,15y,38.67h,89.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk564kS7KdrCocxRc7izsBA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


The place contains a hair salon, a place called the "Red Oak Bistro" which tries to pass itself off as a fancy wine tasting saloon, which is really just a bar, and a "Fast Track Tag & Title," store owned by the Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration. So go get a new hair style, get pissed drunk and get your driver's license from the State of Maryland.
:-P

And in White Plains there's a Jimmies Paddock drive-in liquor store next to a Citgo gas station. So now you can get gassed in two ways.

  :-D

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 16, 2019, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2019, 09:28:00 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else find something distinct about the various liquor stores along US 301 in Charles County, Maryland? I'm not sure what it is, but it seems like they're fishing for customers who can't get certain types of alcohol in Virginia or other counties, or whatever the deal is.


But either way, there's this one in LaPlata that's right next to a strip mall.

Not unique to Charles County.

There are several stores that sell hard liquor north of the Maryland/Virginia border on U.S. 13 in Somerset County, Maryland too.

There are several liquor stores off of MD-414 and MD-210 not far from the Maryland landing of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. 

And exactly one on MD-28 (off of U.S. 15) in Point-of-Rocks. 

The flipside is also true - for places that sell cheaper cigarets south of the line in Virginia.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 16, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2019, 09:28:00 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else find something distinct about the various liquor stores along US 301 in Charles County, Maryland? I'm not sure what it is, but it seems like they're fishing for customers who can't get certain types of alcohol in Virginia or other counties, or whatever the deal is.


But either way, there's this one in LaPlata that's right next to a strip mall.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Colonial_Liquors;_US_301;_LaPlata,_Maryland.jpg

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fast+Track+Tag+%26+Title/@38.5358879,-76.9835227,1409m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b708ec3c769def:0xfad0601c7ee7b78d!8m2!3d38.5363732!4d-76.9827676?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5359678,-76.9835338,3a,15y,38.67h,89.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk564kS7KdrCocxRc7izsBA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


The place contains a hair salon, a place called the "Red Oak Bistro" which tries to pass itself off as a fancy wine tasting saloon, which is really just a bar, and a "Fast Track Tag & Title," store owned by the Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration. So go get a new hair style, get pissed drunk and get your driver's license from the State of Maryland.
:-P

And in White Plains there's a Jimmies Paddock drive-in liquor store next to a Citgo gas station. So now you can get gassed in two ways.

  :-D



Try driving south from Pennsylvania into border states - you find the same thing, mainly because of the convenience (buy beer/wine/liquor in one store) and the price.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 14, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
I noticed that on Fayette Street at President Street and I-83 in Baltimore, I-83 is marked as "TO I-83" . Isn't Fayette I-83's southern terminus, or does President Street continue slightly to the north?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:58:13 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 14, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
I noticed that on Fayette Street at President Street and I-83 in Baltimore, I-83 is marked as "TO I-83" . Isn't Fayette I-83's southern terminus, or does President Street continue slightly to the north?
https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8 (https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8)
https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7 (https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7)

So it looks like the street sign is the only place that says TO, and my guess is that 83 starts at the Fallsway "exit".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on January 15, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:58:13 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 14, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
I noticed that on Fayette Street at President Street and I-83 in Baltimore, I-83 is marked as "TO I-83" . Isn't Fayette I-83's southern terminus, or does President Street continue slightly to the north?
https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8 (https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8)
https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7 (https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7)

So it looks like the street sign is the only place that says TO, and my guess is that 83 starts at the Fallsway "exit".
MDOT SHA official map appears to show Fayette Street as the terminus, so may just be a sign error. (And LOL at my phone for autocorrecting Fayette to Fayetteville)
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Town_Gridmaps/BALTIMORE%20CITY.pdf
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: famartin on January 15, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:58:13 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 14, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
I noticed that on Fayette Street at President Street and I-83 in Baltimore, I-83 is marked as "TO I-83" . Isn't Fayette I-83's southern terminus, or does President Street continue slightly to the north?
https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8 (https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8)
https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7 (https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7)

So it looks like the street sign is the only place that says TO, and my guess is that 83 starts at the Fallsway "exit".
MDOT SHA official map appears to show Fayette Street as the terminus, so may just be a sign error. (And LOL at my phone for autocorrecting Fayette to Fayetteville)
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Town_Gridmaps/BALTIMORE%20CITY.pdf
Guarantee you Baltimore put up the street sign, so maybe they disagree.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on January 15, 2020, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: famartin on January 15, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:58:13 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 14, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
I noticed that on Fayette Street at President Street and I-83 in Baltimore, I-83 is marked as "TO I-83" . Isn't Fayette I-83's southern terminus, or does President Street continue slightly to the north?
https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8 (https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8)
https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7 (https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7)

So it looks like the street sign is the only place that says TO, and my guess is that 83 starts at the Fallsway "exit".
MDOT SHA official map appears to show Fayette Street as the terminus, so may just be a sign error. (And LOL at my phone for autocorrecting Fayette to Fayetteville)
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Town_Gridmaps/BALTIMORE%20CITY.pdf
Guarantee you Baltimore put up the street sign, so maybe they disagree.
Possible, though I believe the city maintains 83 within city limits.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 16, 2020, 04:34:17 PM
In 2005, there was a proposal to truncate Interstate 83 from its current terminus at E. Fayette St. to E. Eager St. Wikipedia says it had some support then but that "it is unlikely that any action will be taken until about 2020 (a.k.a. this year), when the current elevated structure will need an overhaul if it is to remain in use." Will any of this proposal be implemented, or is such a project long dead?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 17, 2020, 01:10:52 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 16, 2020, 04:34:17 PM
In 2005, there was a proposal to truncate Interstate 83 from its current terminus at E. Fayette St. to E. Eager St. Wikipedia says it had some support then but that "it is unlikely that any action will be taken until about 2020 (a.k.a. this year), when the current elevated structure will need an overhaul if it is to remain in use." Will any of this proposal be implemented, or is such a project long dead?
Have heard diddlysquat about an overhaul.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on January 17, 2020, 03:18:20 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:58:13 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 14, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
I noticed that on Fayette Street at President Street and I-83 in Baltimore, I-83 is marked as "TO I-83" . Isn't Fayette I-83's southern terminus, or does President Street continue slightly to the north?
https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8 (https://goo.gl/maps/Vo8Lu8zPBwVjbbzH8)
https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7 (https://goo.gl/maps/LBeBvTqoge4kcyLv7)

So it looks like the street sign is the only place that says TO, and my guess is that 83 starts at the Fallsway "exit".

It's not CA, so they don't put up freeway entrance signs (which would delineate the official starting point).  In my view, SB I-83 ends at Fayette.  NB, I-83 doesn't really begin until after the Fallsway exit. 

I say this because it appears that President Street NB, south of Baltimore St, now has a narrow curbside bike lane.  When you go across Baltimore St, you see signs that say "share the road" (referring to sharing space with bicycles).  Presumably, bicycles are allowed to continue on President St and then get off on Fallsway.  Just north of Fallsway, pedestrians and bikes are prohibited, as can be seen in the sign:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2914739,-76.6071888,3a,75y,306.76h,86.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUWBQoMT-sieYFr_9z3yahQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

It should also be noted that there is a sidewalk along this stretch of street as well, continuing as the sidewalk adjacent to Fallsway.

I always take the small street signs as more official than the big signs that are hung on signals.  If you look carefully at the corner, it seems that the city considers this part of President to actually be part of Fallsway.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2908879,-76.6065003,3a,75y,83.35h,75.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMINAlh67mh6ytAMEa0c4-w!2e0!5s20171001T000000!7i13312!8i6656

There is also a church that sits right at the point of the Fallsway exit.  Unfortunately it's address is on Front Street (parallel street one block to the east), so we can't use the address to determine officially if this is Fallsway or President. I maintain that its Fallsway, but to keep things simple, the big signs refer to it as President St, to I-83.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
This picture appeared in the obits in the Washington Post. As you can guess from the sign he's carrying, it was a civil rights march along the Beltway on June 9, 1966. What I found interesting were the old signs in the background, especially the Jersey Turnpike—style "THRU TRAFFIC" pull-thru sign.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200120/a63f587a30504ee5e184469482343ed2.jpg)

The obit is linked below (may be paywalled). It says they walked all the way around the entire Beltway.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/j-charles-jones-civil-rights-activist-who-led-protest-walk-around-beltway-dies-at-82/2020/01/18/21978438-395b-11ea-9541-9107303481a4_story.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on January 21, 2020, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
What I found interesting were the old signs in the background, especially the Jersey Turnpike—style "THRU TRAFFIC" pull-thru sign.
Actually, such was an old-school MUTCD standard.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on January 22, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 21, 2020, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
What I found interesting were the old signs in the background, especially the Jersey Turnpike—style "THRU TRAFFIC" pull-thru sign.
Actually, such was an old-school MUTCD standard.

I-95 through the near-downtown Wilmington trench had "[I-95 shield] NORTH [or SOUTH]/THRU/TRAFFIC" signs in the '70s.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 22, 2020, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 21, 2020, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
What I found interesting were the old signs in the background, especially the Jersey Turnpike—style "THRU TRAFFIC" pull-thru sign.
Actually, such was an old-school MUTCD standard.

The THRU TRAFFIC signs were common along the entire Maryland part of the Capital Beltway from 1964 until the 1970's.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 22, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 22, 2020, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 21, 2020, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
What I found interesting were the old signs in the background, especially the Jersey Turnpike—style "THRU TRAFFIC" pull-thru sign.
Actually, such was an old-school MUTCD standard.

The THRU TRAFFIC signs were common along the entire Maryland part of the Capital Beltway from 1964 until the 1970's.

That time period is one reason why I was not familiar with this ever having been common other than on the Jersey Turnpike.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
Did you know, I used the Francis Scott Key Bridge in December, passed through the toll plaza without an E-Z Pass, and I still haven't received a bill yet?


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 22, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
Did you know, I used the Francis Scott Key Bridge in December, passed through the toll plaza without an E-Z Pass, and I still haven't received a bill yet?


Not the first time.  I used the I-95 ETLs once (late at night after a thunderstorm) and my E-ZPass was never debited.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2020, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 16, 2019, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2019, 09:28:00 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else find something distinct about the various liquor stores along US 301 in Charles County, Maryland? I'm not sure what it is, but it seems like they're fishing for customers who can't get certain types of alcohol in Virginia or other counties, or whatever the deal is.


But either way, there's this one in LaPlata that's right next to a strip mall.

Not unique to Charles County.

There are several stores that sell hard liquor north of the Maryland/Virginia border on U.S. 13 in Somerset County, Maryland too.
I completely forgot about that aspect of US 13.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sbeaver44 on February 23, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
I clinched MD 68, MD 79, MD 17, and MD 478 yesterday, as well as drove MD 67 end-to-end, which I've done before.

MD 67 to me is a perfect example of the best of Maryland's quite superior (at least compared to PennDOT's) design.  Good signage, free flowing, bypassing small towns when needed, but still allowing access.  Mostly 55. 

MD 17 is one of those oddball routes where the designation itself stops but I followed the successor route up to MD 77.

It is my understanding that MD 79 is now shorter than it would have been a few years ago?  Apparently only about 1 mile is MD 79, but the rest of the road up to MD 180 is no longer state maintained and so is no longer MD 79?

I did MD 478 EB and I don't remember seeing a reassure sign after the initial turn from MD 180.

Brunswick is a great little town, btw!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 23, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
I owned a home on MD 478 from 1988 to 1991
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2020, 10:56:24 AM
The Maryland Transportation Authority (MDTA) replaces BGS and BBS sign panels under its control about every 10 years, if they need replacement or not.  The MDTA's "free" roads sister agency, MDOT/SHA, leaves signs out there for sometimes 20 or 30 years before replacement. 

So many of the signs on the JFK Highway part of I-95 are being replaced now (in some cases the news signs have been installed but the old ones are still standing).

Two things are interesting about the new signs:

(1) The use of LEFT at the entrances to the Chesapeake House and Maryland House Service plazas  - and on new signs that have been installed 5 to 7 miles in advance of the service plaza entrances.

(2) MDTA is not installing lighting on these new overhead signs, which may be the first time I have ever seen Maryland do that since the 1960's (nearly all overhead signs in Maryland have had lighting for many years).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: storm2k on February 24, 2020, 11:32:38 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2020, 10:56:24 AM
The Maryland Transportation Authority (MDTA) replaces BGS and BBS sign panels under its control about every 10 years, if they need replacement or not.  The MDTA's "free" roads sister agency, MDOT/SHA, leaves signs out there for sometimes 20 or 30 years before replacement. 

So many of the signs on the JFK Highway part of I-95 are being replaced now (in some cases the news signs have been installed but the old ones are still standing).

Two things are interesting about the new signs:

(1) The use of LEFT at the entrances to the Chesapeake House and Maryland House Service plazas  - and on new signs that have been installed 5 to 7 miles in advance of the service plaza entrances.

(2) MDTA is not installing lighting on these new overhead signs, which may be the first time I have ever seen Maryland do that since the 1960's (nearly all overhead signs in Maryland have had lighting for many years).

Guess they figure they're saving money. Seems to be the trend in most of the Northeast these days. NJDOT has mostly phased out sign illumination, except in some odd cases (280 at Exit 4, for instance) and you know the ghost was given up when the NJTA didn't illuminate the MUTCD replacement signage on the Turnpike, except in some odd cases (I'm guessing fog concerns, but I never got their motivations for which signs got illumination and which didn't). PA seems to be giving up the ghost on illumination too. PTC is going straight monotube with no illumination. Given how good retroflectivity has gotten on modern signage, the illumination is just an unnecessary expense in most regards I suppose.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on February 24, 2020, 11:38:58 AM
Quote from: storm2k on February 24, 2020, 11:32:38 AMPA seems to be giving up the ghost on illumination too. PTC is going straight monotube with no illumination. Given how good retroflectivity has gotten on modern signage, the illumination is just an unnecessary expense in most regards I suppose.
IIRC, the PTC hasn't installed illuminated guidance signs for a least 25 to 30 years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 24, 2020, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: storm2k on February 24, 2020, 11:32:38 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2020, 10:56:24 AM
The Maryland Transportation Authority (MDTA) replaces BGS and BBS sign panels under its control about every 10 years, if they need replacement or not.  The MDTA's "free" roads sister agency, MDOT/SHA, leaves signs out there for sometimes 20 or 30 years before replacement. 

So many of the signs on the JFK Highway part of I-95 are being replaced now (in some cases the news signs have been installed but the old ones are still standing).

Two things are interesting about the new signs:

(1) The use of LEFT at the entrances to the Chesapeake House and Maryland House Service plazas  - and on new signs that have been installed 5 to 7 miles in advance of the service plaza entrances.

(2) MDTA is not installing lighting on these new overhead signs, which may be the first time I have ever seen Maryland do that since the 1960's (nearly all overhead signs in Maryland have had lighting for many years).

Guess they figure they're saving money. Seems to be the trend in most of the Northeast these days. NJDOT has mostly phased out sign illumination, except in some odd cases (280 at Exit 4, for instance) and you know the ghost was given up when the NJTA didn't illuminate the MUTCD replacement signage on the Turnpike, except in some odd cases (I'm guessing fog concerns, but I never got their motivations for which signs got illumination and which didn't). PA seems to be giving up the ghost on illumination too. PTC is going straight monotube with no illumination. Given how good retroflectivity has gotten on modern signage, the illumination is just an unnecessary expense in most regards I suppose.
Illumination is only required in general when you have weather or visibility concerns. Signs now are plenty reflective. Don't fret.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on February 23, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
I clinched MD 68, MD 79, MD 17, and MD 478 yesterday, as well as drove MD 67 end-to-end, which I've done before.

MD 67 to me is a perfect example of the best of Maryland's quite superior (at least compared to PennDOT's) design.  Good signage, free flowing, bypassing small towns when needed, but still allowing access.  Mostly 55. 

MD 17 is one of those oddball routes where the designation itself stops but I followed the successor route up to MD 77.

I always thought that stopping MD 17 at the Washington County line was rather arbitrary. It should either be extended to MD 77 (with mileage elsewhere being dropped) or cut back to a more sensible terminus. And it still bugs me slightly that it isn't signed as MD 33.

Quote
It is my understanding that MD 79 is now shorter than it would have been a few years ago?  Apparently only about 1 mile is MD 79, but the rest of the road up to MD 180 is no longer state maintained and so is no longer MD 79?

I did MD 478 EB and I don't remember seeing a reassure sign after the initial turn from MD 180.

Brunswick is a great little town, btw!

The SHA stopped posting their PDF copies of the HLR in 2016 so it's much more difficult to check route status now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2020, 11:02:25 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 24, 2020, 09:16:04 PM
Illumination is only required in general when you have weather or visibility concerns. Signs now are plenty reflective. Don't fret.

I agree.  There are two types of signs that should have illumination beyond the categories you mention above.

(1) A sign panel that has a variable component (Maryland weigh stations are examples, with the OPEN or CLOSED part being variable); and

(2) BYS panels warning of hazards ahead (think the long descent on MD-135 in Garrett County as an example, though I am not sure that all of those signs have lighting).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 25, 2020, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on February 23, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
I clinched MD 68, MD 79, MD 17, and MD 478 yesterday, as well as drove MD 67 end-to-end, which I've done before.

MD 67 to me is a perfect example of the best of Maryland's quite superior (at least compared to PennDOT's) design.  Good signage, free flowing, bypassing small towns when needed, but still allowing access.  Mostly 55. 

MD 17 is one of those oddball routes where the designation itself stops but I followed the successor route up to MD 77.

I always thought that stopping MD 17 at the Washington County line was rather arbitrary. It should either be extended to MD 77 (with mileage elsewhere being dropped) or cut back to a more sensible terminus. And it still bugs me slightly that it isn't signed as MD 33.

Quote
It is my understanding that MD 79 is now shorter than it would have been a few years ago?  Apparently only about 1 mile is MD 79, but the rest of the road up to MD 180 is no longer state maintained and so is no longer MD 79?

I did MD 478 EB and I don't remember seeing a reassure sign after the initial turn from MD 180.

Brunswick is a great little town, btw!

The SHA stopped posting their PDF copies of the HLR in 2016 so it's much more difficult to check route status now.
Not like MD has mileage they can drop anywhere in their compact, easy to understand system.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
It was not especially easy to find on the MDOT/SHA Web site, but there is indeed a 2018 Highway Location Reference for calendar year 2018 for Baltimore City!  Last one I have seen was back in 2005.  It is here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/CO24_HLR.pdf) (as the 24th county).

It faithfully includes the 0.14 mile long segment of I-70 that is in the city.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ipeters61 on February 25, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
It was not especially easy to find on the MDOT/SHA Web site, but there is indeed a 2018 Highway Location Reference for calendar year 2018 for Baltimore City!  Last one I have seen was back in 2005.  It is here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/CO24_HLR.pdf) (as the 24th county).

It faithfully includes the 0.14 mile long segment of I-70 that is in the city.
But I thought I-70 ends at I-695 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3071085,-76.7859071,3a,35.2y,129.64h,99.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smadcJI7hDdfrjrxHZoOfLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1).  :)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 25, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
It was not especially easy to find on the MDOT/SHA Web site, but there is indeed a 2018 Highway Location Reference for calendar year 2018 for Baltimore City!  Last one I have seen was back in 2005.  It is here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/CO24_HLR.pdf) (as the 24th county).

It faithfully includes the 0.14 mile long segment of I-70 that is in the city.
But I thought I-70 ends at I-695 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3071085,-76.7859071,3a,35.2y,129.64h,99.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smadcJI7hDdfrjrxHZoOfLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1).  :)

When it comes to the extent of state-maintained highways in Maryland, I consider the Highway Location Reference to be canon.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 26, 2020, 11:21:28 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 25, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
It was not especially easy to find on the MDOT/SHA Web site, but there is indeed a 2018 Highway Location Reference for calendar year 2018 for Baltimore City!  Last one I have seen was back in 2005.  It is here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/CO24_HLR.pdf) (as the 24th county).
It faithfully includes the 0.14 mile long segment of I-70 that is in the city.
But I thought I-70 ends at I-695 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3071085,-76.7859071,3a,35.2y,129.64h,99.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smadcJI7hDdfrjrxHZoOfLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1).  :)
When it comes to the extent of state-maintained highways in Maryland, I consider the Highway Location Reference to be canon.
I believe that the I-70 signed route ends at I-695.

However, the constructed I-70 extends to Security Blvd. and to that end point 0.14 mile into the city.

Actually it is signed as I-70 --
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3028497,-76.7156301,3a,75y,241.46h,92.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSe0qNnUTIyPFgxv5vjDaYg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DSe0qNnUTIyPFgxv5vjDaYg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D37.589325%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2020, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 26, 2020, 11:21:28 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 25, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
It was not especially easy to find on the MDOT/SHA Web site, but there is indeed a 2018 Highway Location Reference for calendar year 2018 for Baltimore City!  Last one I have seen was back in 2005.  It is here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/CO24_HLR.pdf) (as the 24th county).
It faithfully includes the 0.14 mile long segment of I-70 that is in the city.
But I thought I-70 ends at I-695 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3071085,-76.7859071,3a,35.2y,129.64h,99.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smadcJI7hDdfrjrxHZoOfLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1).  :)
When it comes to the extent of state-maintained highways in Maryland, I consider the Highway Location Reference to be canon.
I believe that the I-70 signed route ends at I-695.

However, the constructed I-70 extends to Security Blvd. and to that end point 0.14 mile into the city.

Actually it is signed as I-70 --
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3028497,-76.7156301,3a,75y,241.46h,92.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSe0qNnUTIyPFgxv5vjDaYg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DSe0qNnUTIyPFgxv5vjDaYg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D37.589325%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Had the Baltimore Red Line been moved to construction, then I am fairly sure that the state would have officially removed all of I-70 inside I-695 from the Interstate system.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 27, 2020, 12:02:39 AM
^ They already had preliminary approval to do so before Hogan cancelled the Red Line...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 27, 2020, 02:22:01 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 27, 2020, 12:02:39 AM
^ They already had preliminary approval to do so before Hogan cancelled the Red Line...

I am aware of that.  I think FHWA had approved it, but it was apparently never finalized since it is still in the HLR.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ipeters61 on February 27, 2020, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 25, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
It was not especially easy to find on the MDOT/SHA Web site, but there is indeed a 2018 Highway Location Reference for calendar year 2018 for Baltimore City!  Last one I have seen was back in 2005.  It is here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/CO24_HLR.pdf) (as the 24th county).

It faithfully includes the 0.14 mile long segment of I-70 that is in the city.
But I thought I-70 ends at I-695 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3071085,-76.7859071,3a,35.2y,129.64h,99.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smadcJI7hDdfrjrxHZoOfLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1).  :)

When it comes to the extent of state-maintained highways in Maryland, I consider the Highway Location Reference to be canon.
I know it actually ends at the park and ride, don't worry! (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3019725,-76.7089911,3a,31.4y,1.48h,90.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIaIqMBkvlPhllUwRlJTGKg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Beltway on February 27, 2020, 02:12:06 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 27, 2020, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
When it comes to the extent of state-maintained highways in Maryland, I consider the Highway Location Reference to be canon.
I know it actually ends at the park and ride, don't worry! (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3019725,-76.7089911,3a,31.4y,1.48h,90.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIaIqMBkvlPhllUwRlJTGKg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Park signs at the end of the highway ...

Gwynns Falls Trail Trailhead

And a couple others.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on February 28, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 26, 2020, 11:21:28 PM
[T]he constructed I-70 extends to Security Blvd. and to that end point 0.14 mile into the city.


Per Google Sat, it looks like 200 of that 739.2 feet is grass.

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 17, 2020, 06:28:24 PM
I don't know if someone already mentionned it, but 2 traffic lights on MD-210 near Capital Beltway will be replaced by an interchange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwY6yYGsc80
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 17, 2020, 10:33:20 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 17, 2020, 06:28:24 PM
I don't know if someone already mentionned it, but 2 traffic lights on MD-210 near Capital Beltway will be replaced by an interchange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwY6yYGsc80

There are several at-grade intersections in the MD-210 (Indian Head Highway) corridor in Prince George's County and Charles County that have had horrific crashes, including this one (Kerby Hill Drive) and Wilson Bridge Drive (located to the north of Kerby Hill Drive). 

Eliminating all of the at-grade signalized intersections on MD-210 from MD-227 to I-295 would probably cost billions of dollars, though all are really needed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on March 18, 2020, 12:51:37 AM
Seems like a mistake to construct it as a left exit / entrance (haven't we figured out by now those only worsen problems, especially in urban areas?), though still beats two signals.

As for the rest of the corridor, it wouldn't be too much of a task. The roadway is already a 6-lane expressway with limited-access (no private driveways), the only issue are the signals. My best analysis is the construction of 4 interchanges (Old Fort Rd, Swan Creek Rd, Farmington Rd, MD-228), 3 overpasses (Palmer Rd, Livingston Rd, Washington Ln) one frontage road extension, and the closing of 4 crossovers would result in a full 6-lane freeway design between MD-228 and I-495, approximately 10 miles. South of MD-228, the existing MD-210 is a free-flow 4-lane expressway with no traffic signals until MD-227. Probably under $1 billion to construct, and could be done in phases (one interchange at a time, maybe one or two in conjunction with an overpass).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 18, 2020, 06:16:26 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 18, 2020, 12:51:37 AM
Seems like a mistake to construct it as a left exit / entrance (haven't we figured out by now those only worsen problems, especially in urban areas?), though still beats two signals.

As for the rest of the corridor, it wouldn't be too much of a task. The roadway is already a 6-lane expressway with limited-access (no private driveways), the only issue are the signals. My best analysis is the construction of 4 interchanges (Old Fort Rd, Swan Creek Rd, Farmington Rd, MD-228), 3 overpasses (Palmer Rd, Livingston Rd, Washington Ln) one frontage road extension, and the closing of 4 crossovers would result in a full 6-lane freeway design between MD-228 and I-495, approximately 10 miles. South of MD-228, the existing MD-210 is a free-flow 4-lane expressway with no traffic signals until MD-227. Probably under $1 billion to construct, and could be done in phases (one interchange at a time, maybe one or two in conjunction with an overpass).

It could be tempting to go a step further by extending the southbound MD-210 service road from Fort Washington Rd to Swan Creek Rd  https://satellites.pro/plan/USA_map#38.731607,-76.991029,15  and having a pair of one-way service roads.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on April 11, 2020, 10:20:00 AM
I have a question. Are there any APL's in MD yet?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on April 12, 2020, 12:45:02 AM
Quote from: plain on April 11, 2020, 10:20:00 AM
I have a question. Are there any APL's in MD yet?

The only ones I'm aware of are on 50/301 approaching their split in Queenstown:

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.966823,-76.1877172,3a,75y,63.76h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szfk59AcC0aj5oXJO_IUnaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.966823,-76.1877172,3a,75y,63.76h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szfk59AcC0aj5oXJO_IUnaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9738836,-76.1754161,3a,75y,37.09h,88.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIiMifAEScUxmS9P8D9e1Dg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9738836,-76.1754161,3a,75y,37.09h,88.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIiMifAEScUxmS9P8D9e1Dg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9791029,-76.1707561,3a,75y,46.12h,83.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSjcta7F-fQHF47l4sA34fw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9791029,-76.1707561,3a,75y,46.12h,83.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSjcta7F-fQHF47l4sA34fw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on April 15, 2020, 08:23:20 PM
Check this out...

This is a 1929 home movie.  The first minute shows the original Susquehanna River Bridge (the Double Decker Bridge) from the Havre de Grace side, followed by an intersection in Havre de Grace showing Maryland State Highway destination signage (also a US 40 shield visible).  Really cool.  The intersection in town is Union Ave SB at Warren St.

The rest of the video has a couple road scenes but nothing interesting.  Mostly video of places they visited.

https://archive.org/details/0925_HM_Virginia_1929_12_20_28_07
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2020, 02:00:39 AM
Drove MD-32 for the first time in  quite a few months recently.

There is widening work going on along most of the remaining section of the corridor that is still two lane, between Linden Church Road in the south and I-70 in the north.

I have not seen the plans, but it looks like an interchange is being built at the entrance to the joint state and Howard County maintenance yard (there is a signal there now).

The very flimsy-looking bridge that has carried Triadelphia Road over MD-32 is well on its way to being replaced (the old bridge has been removed) with a structure wide enough accommodate a four lane (or more likely six lane) MD-32. 

A fair amount of earth moving work and stormwater control construction work is going on north of the interchange at Pfefferkorn Road and Burntwoods Road most of the way to I-70.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on April 28, 2020, 02:18:02 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2020, 02:00:39 AM
I have not seen the plans, but it looks like an interchange is being built at the entrance to the joint state and Howard County maintenance yard (there is a signal there now).
The plans (https://maryland.maps.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/a39e12ea27ac4c1dab781482a873c794/data) call for retaining the signal; no interchange is planned.

Unfortunately, the project is not upgrading any section of MD-32 to freeway standards - rather a 55 mph 4-lane divided highway - still a major improvement over the current situation. A section near I-70 will have an access road constructed to allow for a limited access right of way (no private driveways), but there will still be at-grade intersections. The I-70 interchange will receive an additional turn lane from MD-32 Northbound to I-70 Westbound, but that's all.

IMO, a full buildout of MD-32 would include a full freeway upgrade with an interchange / overpass connecting to Ten Oaks Rd at the maintenance yard, more access roads closer to I-70 to fully limit access, a partial cloverleaf interchange at MD-144, and an improved I-70 connection with a loop or flyover from MD-32 Northbound to I-70 Westbound. In the future, perhaps another project to do such upgrade will come about. The route is a regional connector to/from the southern suburbs and I-70 and should be built out to full freeway standards.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on April 29, 2020, 07:57:53 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 28, 2020, 02:18:02 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2020, 02:00:39 AM
I have not seen the plans, but it looks like an interchange is being built at the entrance to the joint state and Howard County maintenance yard (there is a signal there now).
The plans (https://maryland.maps.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/a39e12ea27ac4c1dab781482a873c794/data) call for retaining the signal; no interchange is planned.

Unfortunately, the project is not upgrading any section of MD-32 to freeway standards - rather a 55 mph 4-lane divided highway - still a major improvement over the current situation. A section near I-70 will have an access road constructed to allow for a limited access right of way (no private driveways), but there will still be at-grade intersections. The I-70 interchange will receive an additional turn lane from MD-32 Northbound to I-70 Westbound, but that's all.

IMO, a full buildout of MD-32 would include a full freeway upgrade with an interchange / overpass connecting to Ten Oaks Rd at the maintenance yard, more access roads closer to I-70 to fully limit access, a partial cloverleaf interchange at MD-144, and an improved I-70 connection with a loop or flyover from MD-32 Northbound to I-70 Westbound. In the future, perhaps another project to do such upgrade will come about. The route is a regional connector to/from the southern suburbs and I-70 and should be built out to full freeway standards.

While any improvement is appreciated, I agree that a full freeway would be best for the corridor.  If not a full freeway, then a rural expressway standard that maintains a few grade crossings, but eliminates all signals.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on April 29, 2020, 09:58:03 AM
Quote from: mrsman on April 29, 2020, 07:57:53 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 28, 2020, 02:18:02 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 28, 2020, 02:00:39 AM
I have not seen the plans, but it looks like an interchange is being built at the entrance to the joint state and Howard County maintenance yard (there is a signal there now).
The plans (https://maryland.maps.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/a39e12ea27ac4c1dab781482a873c794/data) call for retaining the signal; no interchange is planned.

Unfortunately, the project is not upgrading any section of MD-32 to freeway standards - rather a 55 mph 4-lane divided highway - still a major improvement over the current situation. A section near I-70 will have an access road constructed to allow for a limited access right of way (no private driveways), but there will still be at-grade intersections. The I-70 interchange will receive an additional turn lane from MD-32 Northbound to I-70 Westbound, but that's all.

IMO, a full buildout of MD-32 would include a full freeway upgrade with an interchange / overpass connecting to Ten Oaks Rd at the maintenance yard, more access roads closer to I-70 to fully limit access, a partial cloverleaf interchange at MD-144, and an improved I-70 connection with a loop or flyover from MD-32 Northbound to I-70 Westbound. In the future, perhaps another project to do such upgrade will come about. The route is a regional connector to/from the southern suburbs and I-70 and should be built out to full freeway standards.

While any improvement is appreciated, I agree that a full freeway would be best for the corridor.  If not a full freeway, then a rural expressway standard that maintains a few grade crossings, but eliminates all signals.

The original plans published by the SHA in 2006 were intended to construct a fully access-controlled, grade-separated freeway with interchanges at Linden Church Road, the SHA shop, Burntwoods Road, Rosemary Lane, and MD 144, and an upgrade to the I-70 interchange by adding loop ramps in the NE and SW quadrants. The plans were/are still available on the SHA PLC portal.

Because it took so long for MDOT to get the necessary funds, and because of the boom/bust in materials prices and construction costs, SHA scoped the plans down to a level where MD 32 will still be converted to a dual carriageway, but will only have partial access controls in places and no access controls elsewhere. We will still have to contend with local traffic turning right into 70mph+ traffic and trying to turn left across 70mph+ traffic.

Once the dual carriageway is in place though, the interchanges can be added later.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on May 13, 2020, 01:32:48 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there's an interesting backstory regarding the bridge carrying I-695 over I-83 NB at exit 24 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4194329,-76.6407064,3a,75y,83.13h,81.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suIFfhJOgKzWEmNvn2EIEHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)?

Between the pier spacing and the tight curve 83 has to make to squeeze in between the piers, it gives off the impression that the bridge was originally designed with different intentions for what would pass underneath.  But I could also just be trying to read into something that isn't there :)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 13, 2020, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on May 13, 2020, 01:32:48 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there's an interesting backstory regarding the bridge carrying I-695 over I-83 NB at exit 24 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4194329,-76.6407064,3a,75y,83.13h,81.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suIFfhJOgKzWEmNvn2EIEHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)?

Between the pier spacing and the tight curve 83 has to make to squeeze in between the piers, it gives off the impression that the bridge was originally designed with different intentions for what would pass underneath.  But I could also just be trying to read into something that isn't there :)

An early proposal had I-83 continuing straight south from there–or maybe a better way to put that would be "north to there." If you look at a map, find Kelly Avenue. North of there where the light rail tracks curve to the east, I-83 was proposed to curve east towards Lake Roland, pass to the west of the lake, and then cut through Ruxton and Riderwood roughly where the tracks are, emerging at what is now the I-695/I-83 interchange. Community opposition defeated that idea. I don't know whether the overpass you've noted reflects that concept, but it seems at least plausible because that part of the Baltimore Beltway and the part of what is now I-83 north of there were open by 1955.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on May 13, 2020, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 13, 2020, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on May 13, 2020, 01:32:48 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there's an interesting backstory regarding the bridge carrying I-695 over I-83 NB at exit 24 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4194329,-76.6407064,3a,75y,83.13h,81.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suIFfhJOgKzWEmNvn2EIEHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)?

Between the pier spacing and the tight curve 83 has to make to squeeze in between the piers, it gives off the impression that the bridge was originally designed with different intentions for what would pass underneath.  But I could also just be trying to read into something that isn't there :)

An early proposal had I-83 continuing straight south from there–or maybe a better way to put that would be "north to there." If you look at a map, find Kelly Avenue. North of there where the light rail tracks curve to the east, I-83 was proposed to curve east towards Lake Roland, pass to the west of the lake, and then cut through Ruxton and Riderwood roughly where the tracks are, emerging at what is now the I-695/I-83 interchange. Community opposition defeated that idea. I don't know whether the overpass you've noted reflects that concept, but it seems at least plausible because that part of the Baltimore Beltway and the part of what is now I-83 north of there were open by 1955.

That bridge has the extra room there because the interchange was originally a trumpet. You can still see the original outline of the EB-NB ramp, inside which was a very tight two-lane loop ramp. The current SB-EB flyover was built by 1981 according to Historic Aerials. The eastbound side of the I-695 mainline bridge still has the original merge taper from the on-ramp.

I had never heard of the proposal to tie the Jones Falls Expressway directly into the current I-83 to the north, but I did see a map at some point that showed the Jones Falls Expressway continuing north and tying into I-83 at about the location of the Warren Road exit. I don't remember which of these paths I-83 itself was intended to take, nor what the designation for the other would have been.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 14, 2020, 12:20:14 AM
^ I've also found the latter (going north from Exit 23) on some Baltimore planning documents.  I have not seen anything suggesting what 1995hoo described (going south from Exit 24)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on May 14, 2020, 02:02:30 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 13, 2020, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 13, 2020, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on May 13, 2020, 01:32:48 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there's an interesting backstory regarding the bridge carrying I-695 over I-83 NB at exit 24 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4194329,-76.6407064,3a,75y,83.13h,81.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suIFfhJOgKzWEmNvn2EIEHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)?

Between the pier spacing and the tight curve 83 has to make to squeeze in between the piers, it gives off the impression that the bridge was originally designed with different intentions for what would pass underneath.  But I could also just be trying to read into something that isn't there :)

An early proposal had I-83 continuing straight south from there–or maybe a better way to put that would be "north to there." If you look at a map, find Kelly Avenue. North of there where the light rail tracks curve to the east, I-83 was proposed to curve east towards Lake Roland, pass to the west of the lake, and then cut through Ruxton and Riderwood roughly where the tracks are, emerging at what is now the I-695/I-83 interchange. Community opposition defeated that idea. I don't know whether the overpass you've noted reflects that concept, but it seems at least plausible because that part of the Baltimore Beltway and the part of what is now I-83 north of there were open by 1955.

That bridge has the extra room there because the interchange was originally a trumpet. You can still see the original outline of the EB-NB ramp, inside which was a very tight two-lane loop ramp. The current SB-EB flyover was built by 1981 according to Historic Aerials. The eastbound side of the I-695 mainline bridge still has the original merge taper from the on-ramp.

I had never heard of the proposal to tie the Jones Falls Expressway directly into the current I-83 to the north, but I did see a map at some point that showed the Jones Falls Expressway continuing north and tying into I-83 at about the location of the Warren Road exit. I don't remember which of these paths I-83 itself was intended to take, nor what the designation for the other would have been.

It looks like the SB-EB flyover was built in 1973, based on this engravement (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4217392,-76.639004,3a,43.3y,235.96h,73.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH_oRve7hxSQCKN0oCGf34g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  (Side note, I absolutely love that SHA & MDTA do this on all their bridges!)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 14, 2020, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 13, 2020, 08:14:26 PM
....

I had never heard of the proposal to tie the Jones Falls Expressway directly into the current I-83 to the north, but I did see a map at some point that showed the Jones Falls Expressway continuing north and tying into I-83 at about the location of the Warren Road exit. I don't remember which of these paths I-83 itself was intended to take, nor what the designation for the other would have been.

I've seen maps showing the one you mention. The one I mentioned is not one for which I've seen a map, but you can find a brief reference to it here: https://www.rrlraia.org/about-us/sample-page/

Quote
The Ruxton-Riderwood-Lake Roland Area Improvement Association was formed on January 29, 1953, when a neighborhood organization meeting drew more than 200 residents to adopt a constitution and bylaws. Its purpose was to be a permanent, well-manned organization on alert for encroachments and threats to community life...to keep residents informed and bring such problems, as well as community needs, before appropriate agencies. Its first project was to prevent the new I-83 link from being routed through Ruxton past the L'Hirondelle Club and over Lake Roland. ...

(Emphasis supplied; first ellipsis in original) Technically it may not have been "I-83" yet at that time, but that's a distinction without a difference unless, perhaps, it impacts the results you get when you search for information.


Edited to add: Steve Anderson has a reference to this proposed routing on one of his websites. http://dcroads.net/roads/baltimore-harrisburg/

QuoteIn early 1953, the SRC proposed extending the Baltimore-Harrisburg Expressway south of the Baltimore Beltway to provide a direct link to the Jones Falls Expressway near Mount Washington. Although the route was to follow an existing railroad right-of-way (which now is used for the MTA Light Rail line), citizens in the Ruxton and Riderwood communities opposed the expressway link, and the SRC subsequently shelved this proposal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on June 05, 2020, 08:56:53 AM
I saw on a VMS on I-270 that the new exit 12 will open on or about 6/10.

Here's a recent flyover of the exit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=381&v=zaFVKdYvWQs&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Glockspeed Gaming on June 08, 2020, 01:11:22 PM
About I-270:
I never thought it would be numbered as exit 12. Since it was so close to MD-124, I thought it would be numbered exit 11C or something like that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on June 08, 2020, 02:18:52 PM
Major earthworks are in progress on MD 32 north of Linden Church Road, and it appears that several culverts are finished and several more are being installed.

It's still not clear what's being built at the Middle Patuxent River though - is the contractor diverting the river so that the existing bridge can be replaced and a new bridge built?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on June 08, 2020, 02:59:15 PM
Someone posted some ground photos of the new exit:
http://sameig.blogspot.com/2020/06/first-walk-across-new-watkins-mill.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on June 08, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEAIt's still not clear what's being built at the Middle Patuxent River though - is the contractor diverting the river so that the existing bridge can be replaced and a new bridge built?

The project layout posted upthread shows the river being diverted with new bridges being built north of the existing bridge (which presumably will get filled in).  Part of the field on the northeast corner of the new river bridge location will be use for wetland mitigation.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on June 10, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
A drive through of the not yet open exit 12:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MontgomeryCountyMD/comments/h09qpq/driving_the_new_watkins_mill_interchange_bridge/

Now it is expected to open tomorrow.

It's interesting how two of the signals use mast arms and the third uses wire hung.

Aside: The signal at MD 118 and Middlebrook Road is being changed from wire hung to mast arm.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 10, 2020, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: BrianP on June 10, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
A drive through of the not yet open exit 12:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MontgomeryCountyMD/comments/h09qpq/driving_the_new_watkins_mill_interchange_bridge/

Now it is expected to open tomorrow.

It's interesting how two of the signals use mast arms and the third uses wire hung.

Aside: The signal at MD 118 and Middlebrook Road is being changed from wire hung to mast arm.
Quote from: BrianP on June 10, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
A drive through of the not yet open exit 12:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MontgomeryCountyMD/comments/h09qpq/driving_the_new_watkins_mill_interchange_bridge/

Now it is expected to open tomorrow.

It's interesting how two of the signals use mast arms and the third uses wire hung.

Aside: The signal at MD 118 and Middlebrook Road is being changed from wire hung to mast arm.

Is that span wire install more temporary in anticipation of the P3 managed lanes?  I do not know what the
P3 project might look like here, but that might be the reason.  In general, all new signals on state projects in Maryland are using mast arms.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on June 10, 2020, 05:23:57 PM
I think this application exceeds a mast arm's maximum length. But then you would usually use two mast arms. 

I don't think this interchange was built with future lanes in mind.  After crossing the highway the bridge crosses a creek which is why the bridge is longer on the south side of the highway.  I notice on the streetview for I-270 that the bridge slopes downward after crossing the highway.  So that seems quite possible that if you tried to put lanes under that part of the bridge you would not have sufficient vertical clearance. 
https://goo.gl/maps/72wuckAMtebqW9FK8
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 11, 2020, 01:30:22 AM
Quote from: BrianP on June 10, 2020, 05:23:57 PM
I think this application exceeds a mast arm's maximum length. But then you would usually use two mast arms. 

I don't think this interchange was built with future lanes in mind.  After crossing the highway the bridge crosses a creek which is why the bridge is longer on the south side of the highway.  I notice on the streetview for I-270 that the bridge slopes downward after crossing the highway.  So that seems quite possible that if you tried to put lanes under that part of the bridge you would not have sufficient vertical clearance. 
https://goo.gl/maps/72wuckAMtebqW9FK8
I've seen mast arms designed up to 65' and Florida appears to allow up to 78'.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on June 13, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
For the first time in over 60 years, a MD 61 shield exists.  I found this yesterday.  It is not in Sept 2019 GMSV so I believe this was installed by a construction contractor who is working on MD 51 at the MD 61 jct and southward.  One could hope that installing 61 shields is a part of the project...?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fmd61shield.jpg&hash=1286691e16ba8e8e3c30ff903e4a8e81535270f4)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 14, 2020, 10:49:42 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 13, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
For the first time in over 60 years, a MD 61 shield exists.  I found this yesterday.  It is not in Sept 2019 GMSV so I believe this was installed by a construction contractor who is working on MD 51 at the MD 61 jct and southward.  One could hope that installing 61 shields is a part of the project...?

Highway Location Reference says that MD-61 is a little over 1.9 miles long.  From MD-51 to the West Virginia end of the bridge over the North Branch of the Potomac River.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 01, 2020, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 13, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
For the first time in over 60 years, a MD 61 shield exists.  I found this yesterday.  It is not in Sept 2019 GMSV so I believe this was installed by a construction contractor who is working on MD 51 at the MD 61 jct and southward.  One could hope that installing 61 shields is a part of the project...?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fmd61shield.jpg&hash=1286691e16ba8e8e3c30ff903e4a8e81535270f4)

Woah.  I was just there in May, maybe I missed it. Its not the only route that recently got signed in that area, MD 639 and MD 658 have shields too now.

Also, unrelated, but I still think seeing these signs at the opposite ends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Highway (MD 24) is funny.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/2020-06-30_10_30_49_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_13.jpg/800px-2020-06-30_10_30_49_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_13.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/2020-06-30_13_17_52_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_40.jpg/800px-2020-06-30_13_17_52_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_40.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 03, 2020, 09:12:57 AM
Quote from: famartin on July 01, 2020, 07:21:35 AM
Also, unrelated, but I still think seeing these signs at the opposite ends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Highway (MD 24) is funny.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/2020-06-30_10_30_49_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_13.jpg/800px-2020-06-30_10_30_49_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_13.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/2020-06-30_13_17_52_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_40.jpg/800px-2020-06-30_13_17_52_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_40.jpg)

I do not personally agree with MDTA's excessive devotion to New York as the control city for northbound I-95 between Baltimore and the Delaware border.  Now that I-95 is complete, those signs can (and should) mention not just New York, but also Wilmington, Delaware and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on July 03, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
Philadelphia and New York together would be the way to go IMO.

Those two destinations are where the majority of drivers are likely bound.

Not sure if Wilmington is a major destination worthy of signing when compared to the other two. Perhaps as a secondary control city.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on July 03, 2020, 02:10:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
Philadelphia and New York together would be the way to go IMO.

Those two destinations are where the majority of drivers are likely bound.

Not sure if Wilmington is a major destination worthy of signing when compared to the other two. Perhaps as a secondary control city.

Unlike other parts of I-95, where US 1 is the old main road that parallels the freeway, in this part of MD the old road that parallels the interstate is US 40.  So US 40 goes through many of the smaller towns that line the main old road between Baltimore and Philadelphia, so it would be a better case to use some intermediate towns as controls.  It doesnt' seem that controls get used too much on US 40, but at MD 24, I'd use Baltimore and Aberdeen.

For US 1, Bel Air is an appropriate sized city to be a control between Baltimore and Philadelphia.  But MD 24 meets US 1 just outside of Bel Air, so Baltimore and Philadelphia are appropriate for it.  (But a little south of there the appropriate controls for US 1 should be Baltimore and Bel Air.)

Generally, the local road should have more local controls and the interstate should have national oriented controls.  I-95's control in MD, north of Baltimore, should be Philadelphia not New York.  This was even true before the completion of I-95.  At the time of the construction of I-95, Philadelphia was the nation's fourth largest city and should not have been ignored, despite the fact that you can take NJTP to bypass Philadelphia on the way to New York.

Wilmington is too small of a city in comparison to Philadelphia, so in MD it should only be used as a secondary control.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 03, 2020, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 03, 2020, 02:10:12 PM
Quote
Generally, the local road should have more local controls and the interstate should have national oriented controls.  I-95's control in MD, north of Baltimore, should be Philadelphia not New York.  This was even true before the completion of I-95.  At the time of the construction of I-95, Philadelphia was the nation's fourth largest city and should not have been ignored, despite the fact that you can take NJTP to bypass Philadelphia on the way to New York.

I guess some people still think then Philadelphia is the "Sixth Borough" of New York despite movies, tv shows set in Philadelphia as well as various songs about Philly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z2DtNW79sQ
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 03, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 03, 2020, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 03, 2020, 02:10:12 PM
Generally, the local road should have more local controls and the interstate should have national oriented controls.  I-95's control in MD, north of Baltimore, should be Philadelphia not New York.  This was even true before the completion of I-95.  At the time of the construction of I-95, Philadelphia was the nation's fourth largest city and should not have been ignored, despite the fact that you can take NJTP to bypass Philadelphia on the way to New York.

I guess some people still think then Philadelphia is the "Sixth Borough" of New York despite movies, tv shows set in Philadelphia as well as various songs about Philly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z2DtNW79sQ

I always assumed that the choice of New York as the control city for I-95 north is purely down to institutional inertia on the part of the MDTA, and I would expect to see signage changes at some point this decade now that the I-95/I-276 interchange is open.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 03, 2020, 10:59:06 PM
Since a lot of these signs are new, MD won't be spending money to fix something that wasn't their problem to begin with.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 06, 2020, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 03, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
I always assumed that the choice of New York as the control city for I-95 north is purely down to institutional inertia on the part of the MDTA, and I would expect to see signage changes at some point this decade now that the I-95/I-276 interchange is open.

I can remember a time when the "control city" on northbound I-95 in Maryland between White Marsh and the Delaware border was usually "N J Turnpike."  And that made some sense as long as I-95 was not completed between Philadelphia and Edison, N.J. (New Jersey Turnpike Exit 10).

Now with I-95 complete, IMO there should be mention of Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 06, 2020, 09:22:08 PM
Given Maryland is still running cashless tolling, there are indications they have made the same move as PA and made it permanent.

Two indications besides the fact they have not resumed cash collection like other states:

1.  Maryland will be launching a new electronic tolling website in 39 days, https://driveezmaryland.com (https://driveezmaryland.com).  Right now, the preview page says "All Electronic Tolling will be statewide in the near future."

2.  A Washington Post article on toll revenue quotes that MDTA moved to an all-electronic tolling system during the pandemic but did not say it was done "temporarily"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/people-are-driving-less-and-skipping-the-toll-roads-leaving-less-money-for-local-projects/2020/07/04/76e15ef2-ba0f-11ea-8cf5-9c1b8d7f84c6_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/people-are-driving-less-and-skipping-the-toll-roads-leaving-less-money-for-local-projects/2020/07/04/76e15ef2-ba0f-11ea-8cf5-9c1b8d7f84c6_story.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on July 07, 2020, 12:44:41 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 06, 2020, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 03, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
I always assumed that the choice of New York as the control city for I-95 north is purely down to institutional inertia on the part of the MDTA, and I would expect to see signage changes at some point this decade now that the I-95/I-276 interchange is open.

I can remember a time when the "control city" on northbound I-95 in Maryland between White Marsh and the Delaware border was usually "N J Turnpike."  And that made some sense as long as I-95 was not completed between Philadelphia and Edison, N.J. (New Jersey Turnpike Exit 10).

Now with I-95 complete, IMO there should be mention of Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/guides/mid-atlantic/md-279-n-at-i-095-1994.jpg)

N.J Turnpike was still displayed on I-95 signs on MD 279 until late 1994.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 08, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 06, 2020, 09:22:08 PM
Given Maryland is still running cashless tolling, there are indications they have made the same move as PA and made it permanent.

Two indications besides the fact they have not resumed cash collection like other states:

1.  Maryland will be launching a new electronic tolling website in 39 days, https://driveezmaryland.com (https://driveezmaryland.com).  Right now, the preview page says "All Electronic Tolling will be statewide in the near future."

2.  A Washington Post article on toll revenue quotes that MDTA moved to an all-electronic tolling system during the pandemic but did not say it was done "temporarily"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/people-are-driving-less-and-skipping-the-toll-roads-leaving-less-money-for-local-projects/2020/07/04/76e15ef2-ba0f-11ea-8cf5-9c1b8d7f84c6_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/people-are-driving-less-and-skipping-the-toll-roads-leaving-less-money-for-local-projects/2020/07/04/76e15ef2-ba0f-11ea-8cf5-9c1b8d7f84c6_story.html)

The ongoing removal of the toll plazas at the Key Bridge and the Bay Bridge and the plans to remove the plaza at the Governor Nice Bridge strongly imply that the MDTA has permanently switched to all-electronic tolling. I suspect that the pandemic provided a convenient opportunity to implement a plan that the MDTA already had and was already intending to execute.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 10, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
Drove by Watkins Mill today and noticed that the signs on I-270 distinctly suggest that its going to get a state route number. Any idea as to what?  The space on the signs left of the road name is identical to that on adjacent signs (which are similarly designed and have the "Route Number" (left) "Name" (right) format).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: famartin on July 10, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
Drove by Watkins Mill today and noticed that the signs on I-270 distinctly suggest that its going to get a state route number. Any idea as to what?  The space on the signs left of the road name is identical to that on adjacent signs (which are similarly designed and have the "Route Number" (left) "Name" (right) format).

No inside information, but yes, those signs do look like there is an intent to put Watkins Mill Road under state maintenance, at least from MD-117 (Clopper Road) across I-270 to MD-355.  All of Watkins Mill is within the corporate limits of Gaithersburg (though not all of the interchange ramps), so presumably the agreement to transfer it to state maintenance is between the city and MDOT/SHA, with no Montgomery County involvement.

Looking at MDRoads (http://www.mdroads.com/), there are some possibilities in terms of available route numbers in the Montgomery County cluster of currently decommissioned route numbers.

114, 116, and 120 are all available.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: famartin on July 10, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
Drove by Watkins Mill today and noticed that the signs on I-270 distinctly suggest that its going to get a state route number. Any idea as to what?  The space on the signs left of the road name is identical to that on adjacent signs (which are similarly designed and have the "Route Number" (left) "Name" (right) format).

No inside information, but yes, those signs do look like there is an intent to put Watkins Mill Road under state maintenance, at least from MD-117 (Clopper Road) across I-270 to MD-355.  All of Watkins Mill is within the corporate limits of Gaithersburg (though not all of the interchange ramps), so presumably the agreement to transfer it to state maintenance is between the city and MDOT/SHA, with no Montgomery County involvement.

Looking at MDRoads (http://www.mdroads.com/), there are some possibilities in terms of available route numbers in the Montgomery County cluster of currently decommissioned route numbers.

114, 116, 120 and 122 are all available.
I'm pretty sure 122 exists...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2020, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 11, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: famartin on July 10, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
Drove by Watkins Mill today and noticed that the signs on I-270 distinctly suggest that its going to get a state route number. Any idea as to what?  The space on the signs left of the road name is identical to that on adjacent signs (which are similarly designed and have the "Route Number" (left) "Name" (right) format).

No inside information, but yes, those signs do look like there is an intent to put Watkins Mill Road under state maintenance, at least from MD-117 (Clopper Road) across I-270 to MD-355.  All of Watkins Mill is within the corporate limits of Gaithersburg (though not all of the interchange ramps), so presumably the agreement to transfer it to state maintenance is between the city and MDOT/SHA, with no Montgomery County involvement.

Looking at MDRoads (http://www.mdroads.com/), there are some possibilities in terms of available route numbers in the Montgomery County cluster of currently decommissioned route numbers.

114, 116, 120 and 122 are all available.
I'm pretty sure 122 exists...

You are correct.  I did not look outside Montgomery County for a 122, but yes, it is Security Boulevard in Baltimore County.  Have removed it from the list above.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on July 13, 2020, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
All of Watkins Mill is within the corporate limits of Gaithersburg (though not all of the interchange ramps), so presumably the agreement to transfer it to state maintenance is between the city and MDOT/SHA, with no Montgomery County involvement.
The county did contribute to the construction of parts of Watkins Mill Road that are adjacent to the interchange.
https://apps.montgomerycountymd.gov/BASISCAPITAL/Common/Project.aspx?ID=P500724

Here's the pertinent part:
QuoteThe County will assume ownership and maintenance of the road, except that the City will be responsible for snow removal for a period of ten years or until such time as the road is turned over to SHA, whichever is less.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 14, 2020, 09:52:42 AM
Not that this is big news, as it is not.

WTOP Radio:  Md. ranked No. 2 for busiest urban interstates; Beltway bottlenecks cited by truckers (https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2020/07/more-cars-and-trucks-on-highways-needing-repair/?fbclid=IwAR3BLZKm21IGmG4Byendg1GOsID43PbaQY7ejnqr6xCyZPlsrQWJTp_HSSg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 07, 2020, 12:44:41 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 06, 2020, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 03, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
I always assumed that the choice of New York as the control city for I-95 north is purely down to institutional inertia on the part of the MDTA, and I would expect to see signage changes at some point this decade now that the I-95/I-276 interchange is open.

I can remember a time when the "control city" on northbound I-95 in Maryland between White Marsh and the Delaware border was usually "N J Turnpike."  And that made some sense as long as I-95 was not completed between Philadelphia and Edison, N.J. (New Jersey Turnpike Exit 10).

Now with I-95 complete, IMO there should be mention of Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/guides/mid-atlantic/md-279-n-at-i-095-1994.jpg)

N.J Turnpike was still displayed on I-95 signs on MD 279 until late 1994.

Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I never understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC on I-95 North.

Yea that's where you're going if you are heading north, but they should have the next state on the current state your in BGS.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: dlsterner on July 15, 2020, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 07, 2020, 12:44:41 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 06, 2020, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 03, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
I always assumed that the choice of New York as the control city for I-95 north is purely down to institutional inertia on the part of the MDTA, and I would expect to see signage changes at some point this decade now that the I-95/I-276 interchange is open.

I can remember a time when the "control city" on northbound I-95 in Maryland between White Marsh and the Delaware border was usually "N J Turnpike."  And that made some sense as long as I-95 was not completed between Philadelphia and Edison, N.J. (New Jersey Turnpike Exit 10).

Now with I-95 complete, IMO there should be mention of Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/guides/mid-atlantic/md-279-n-at-i-095-1994.jpg)

N.J Turnpike was still displayed on I-95 signs on MD 279 until late 1994.

Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I need understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC for I-95 North.

Yea that's where you're going if you are heading north, but they should have the next state on the current state your in BGS.

To be fair, the picture above is an old one - the sign on MD 279 now says "New York" rather than "N.J. Turnpike" (https://goo.gl/maps/ner9VASEXmz4a3Qz8).  Although I would have considered "Philadelphia" either before "New York", or instead of "New York".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 15, 2020, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 07, 2020, 12:44:41 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 06, 2020, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 03, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
I always assumed that the choice of New York as the control city for I-95 north is purely down to institutional inertia on the part of the MDTA, and I would expect to see signage changes at some point this decade now that the I-95/I-276 interchange is open.

I can remember a time when the "control city" on northbound I-95 in Maryland between White Marsh and the Delaware border was usually "N J Turnpike."  And that made some sense as long as I-95 was not completed between Philadelphia and Edison, N.J. (New Jersey Turnpike Exit 10).

Now with I-95 complete, IMO there should be mention of Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/guides/mid-atlantic/md-279-n-at-i-095-1994.jpg)

N.J Turnpike was still displayed on I-95 signs on MD 279 until late 1994.

Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I need understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC for I-95 North.

Yea that's where you're going if you are heading north, but they should have the next state on the current state your in BGS.

To be fair, the picture above is an old one - the sign on MD 279 now says "New York" rather than "N.J. Turnpike" (https://goo.gl/maps/ner9VASEXmz4a3Qz8).  Although I would have considered "Philadelphia" either before "New York", or instead of "New York".

Oh yea I know that sign says NY now, but most of the signs on I-95 in MD Say "New York" For I-95 North.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on July 16, 2020, 03:59:32 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I never understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC on I-95 North.
I-95 South in Petersburg, VA - " Miami"  (https://goo.gl/maps/EcBPbkKYF7eeEJ6Q8)

Honorable mention to "Atlanta"  for a control city on I-85 a few miles north of here.

But agreed, for the most part, the next largest city should be signed.

Miami, Jacksonville, Savannah, Florence, Fayetteville, Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York, etc.

Interesting to see long distance destinations here and there, such as "New York"  on I-95 in Northern Virginia, but it shouldn't be a primary control city for Maryland, maybe once or twice in conjunction with Philadelphia at large junctions, but that's it.

North Carolina seems to use smaller towns such as Benson, Dunn, and one could even say Rocky Mount should reasonably not be included either. VDOT uses Rocky Mount as a control city from Richmond south, though should be Fayetteville IMO.

Throughout NC, it should be Florence, Fayetteville, and Richmond, nothing else.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 16, 2020, 03:59:32 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I never understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC on I-95 North.
I-95 South in Petersburg, VA - " Miami"  (https://goo.gl/maps/EcBPbkKYF7eeEJ6Q8)

Honorable mention to "Atlanta"  for a control city on I-85 a few miles north of here.

But agreed, for the most part, the next largest city should be signed.

Miami, Jacksonville, Savannah, Florence, Fayetteville, Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York, etc.

Interesting to see long distance destinations here and there, such as "New York"  on I-95 in Northern Virginia, but it shouldn't be a primary control city for Maryland, maybe once or twice in conjunction with Philadelphia at large junctions, but that's it.

North Carolina seems to use smaller towns such as Benson, Dunn, and one could even say Rocky Mount should reasonably not be included either. VDOT uses Rocky Mount as a control city from Richmond south, though should be Fayetteville IMO.

Throughout NC, it should be Florence, Fayetteville, and Richmond, nothing else.

I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I also agree with the notion that two control cities, where there is room on the signs, would be helpful to denote certain local cities that would otherwise be skipped.  These second cities would not be used if there is only room for one city.  Second cities between Baltimore and Philly that can be signed: Aberdeen, Newark Del, Wilmington, Chester.

I think your list of primary control cities is spot on for I-95.  I would consider Newark NJ (and Trenton) to be more appropriate as secondary controls though.

The use of Miami and Atlanta in VA is interesting, but appropriate given the long distance travel of the snowbirds.  As these are only done in conjunction with another control and only for very few signs near the important junctions they can stay.  But as you said, the Miami sign should be with Fayetteville not Rocky Mount.  Rocky Mount is a secondary control that can be signed with Fayetteville SB and Richmond NB.  And I would take a similar approach with the other small towns that are signed along the route - those are appropriate as secondary controls only.  In other words, Fayetteville and Richmond are primary controls, Rocky Mount and Petersburg are secondary controls, and Atlanta and Miami (within VA) are bonus controls.  A primary control should always be signed.  A secondary control should be signed if there is room.  A bonus control can replace a secondary control only for very specialized circumstances.

There is a wonderful thread on control cities on the fictional board.  I think you made a wonderful suggestion for I-95.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23745.0
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I suspect MDTA decides for the roads under its jurisdiction.

I still feel that Wilmington, Delaware (only) should get mention along I-95 in Maryland.  DelDOT mentions Baltimore several times on I-95 southbound in their state. 

I understand it to not be favored by MUTCD, but I think signing all three (Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York) would be appropriate - or at least two of them, and making sure that all get mentioned in terms of distance signs at least once or twice.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 16, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I suspect MDTA decides for the roads under its jurisdiction.

I still feel that Wilmington, Delaware (only) should get mention along I-95 in Maryland.  DelDOT mentions Baltimore several times on I-95 southbound in their state. 

I understand it to not be favored by MUTCD, but I think signing all three (Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York) would be appropriate - or at least two of them, and making sure that all get mentioned in terms of distance signs at least once or twice.

SHA does seem to follow MDTA's New York preference based on these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4207451,-76.6458246,3a,42.8y,96.17h,92.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skou9Np7TuBCBSTrXQ1vXag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

I agree that all 3 cities should be used - I think MDTA could follow VDOT's approach with juggling the Hampton Roads cities on I-64 east leaving Richmond.  At the very least, maybe SHA could add signs on I-695 approaching exit 33 resembling this sign on I-295 approaching exit 28 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5615611,-77.2974642,3a,43.2y,113.27h,86.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4HypsIFBKPuvy36aNRqhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  And then on I-95 itself, MDTA could cycle between cities on the various mileage signs as VDOT does with the mileage signs on I-64 (examples past exits 200 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5137932,-77.2398659,3a,75.3y,114.89h,84.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR1sDBEZpkWjbDAaTkF0Zdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 205 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.513499,-77.1711194,3a,75y,136.01h,85.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTJaOLRwTysRfuIvgBPAbew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 211 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5010722,-77.0679823,3a,42.3y,115.09h,86.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDJpn0DILfHZHhJHmjsbMwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), and 220 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4747071,-76.909872,3a,75y,150.69h,85.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svF3EDAiVIkceX9UbF8DXVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)).

Since MDTA's post-interchange distance signs typically use the next interchange, followed by a more local location, followed by the control city (example here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3950767,-76.4325546,3a,75y,71.79h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smFtzZAsCrh1ijxanl4boJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)), maybe MDTA could use the bottom line to cycle between Wilmington, Philadelphia, and New York.  Currently, Wilmington does make one appearance on the middle line following exit 100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6402195,-75.9409742,3a,44.5y,83.23h,87.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfei5LHpyjvh3eQe9uNsZLQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 16, 2020, 04:28:06 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 16, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I suspect MDTA decides for the roads under its jurisdiction.

I still feel that Wilmington, Delaware (only) should get mention along I-95 in Maryland.  DelDOT mentions Baltimore several times on I-95 southbound in their state. 

I understand it to not be favored by MUTCD, but I think signing all three (Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York) would be appropriate - or at least two of them, and making sure that all get mentioned in terms of distance signs at least once or twice.

SHA does seem to follow MDTA's New York preference based on these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4207451,-76.6458246,3a,42.8y,96.17h,92.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skou9Np7TuBCBSTrXQ1vXag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

I agree that all 3 cities should be used - I think MDTA could follow VDOT's approach with juggling the Hampton Roads cities on I-64 east leaving Richmond.  At the very least, maybe SHA could add signs on I-695 approaching exit 33 resembling this sign on I-295 approaching exit 28 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5615611,-77.2974642,3a,43.2y,113.27h,86.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4HypsIFBKPuvy36aNRqhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  And then on I-95 itself, MDTA could cycle between cities on the various mileage signs as VDOT does with the mileage signs on I-64 (examples past exits 200 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5137932,-77.2398659,3a,75.3y,114.89h,84.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR1sDBEZpkWjbDAaTkF0Zdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 205 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.513499,-77.1711194,3a,75y,136.01h,85.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTJaOLRwTysRfuIvgBPAbew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 211 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5010722,-77.0679823,3a,42.3y,115.09h,86.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDJpn0DILfHZHhJHmjsbMwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), and 220 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4747071,-76.909872,3a,75y,150.69h,85.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svF3EDAiVIkceX9UbF8DXVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)).

Since MDTA's post-interchange distance signs typically use the next interchange, followed by a more local location, followed by the control city (example here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3950767,-76.4325546,3a,75y,71.79h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smFtzZAsCrh1ijxanl4boJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)), maybe MDTA could use the bottom line to cycle between Wilmington, Philadelphia, and New York.  Currently, Wilmington does make one appearance on the middle line following exit 100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6402195,-75.9409742,3a,44.5y,83.23h,87.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfei5LHpyjvh3eQe9uNsZLQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

There is a mileage sign for Philadelphia and New York on I-95 past the Laurel rest area (SHA maintained)

https://goo.gl/maps/GDzZ5WAafTym8LsH6
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 16, 2020, 04:28:06 PM

There is a mileage sign for Philadelphia and New York on I-95 past the Laurel rest area (SHA maintained)

https://goo.gl/maps/GDzZ5WAafTym8LsH6

Yes, except for a few times when it has been knocked down or damaged, it has been there for a long time, though it is not made up of extruded aluminum like most BGS panels on Maryland interstate highways. 

It is (unless there has been a recent change) the only mention of Philly anywhere on I-95 in Maryland.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: AcE_Wolf_287 on July 16, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
ok so i dont really know what category to put this in but,

I-70 was supposed to end at I-95 at Exit 50, and if i did it would run on the southern part of that park,
is there anywhere else I-70 could've been rerouted to end at I-95 at another location

and I-83, i know it was supposed to end at exit 57 at I-95, but could I-395 go underground and end at I-83 in baltimore, and I-83 takes that designation, and the old I-83 would be I-183

im kinda confused on these 2 routes, and also theres I-97, why does it and at auxiliary routes?

but does anyone else have any clue about this?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on July 16, 2020, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on July 16, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
ok so i dont really know what category to put this in but,

I-70 was supposed to end at I-95 at Exit 50, and if i did it would run on the southern part of that park,
is there anywhere else I-70 could've been rerouted to end at I-95 at another location

and I-83, i know it was supposed to end at exit 57 at I-95, but could I-395 go underground and end at I-83 in baltimore, and I-83 takes that designation, and the old I-83 would be I-183

im kinda confused on these 2 routes, and also theres I-97, why does it and at auxiliary routes?

but does anyone else have any clue about this?
I-97 was a later addition to create a freeway between Annapolis and Baltimore crafted in the 1970s and 1980s, constructed by the mid 1990s. IIRC, it used interstate funding from unbuilt sections of I-70 and I-83.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on July 16, 2020, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 16, 2020, 04:28:06 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 16, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I suspect MDTA decides for the roads under its jurisdiction.

I still feel that Wilmington, Delaware (only) should get mention along I-95 in Maryland.  DelDOT mentions Baltimore several times on I-95 southbound in their state. 

I understand it to not be favored by MUTCD, but I think signing all three (Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York) would be appropriate - or at least two of them, and making sure that all get mentioned in terms of distance signs at least once or twice.

SHA does seem to follow MDTA's New York preference based on these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4207451,-76.6458246,3a,42.8y,96.17h,92.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skou9Np7TuBCBSTrXQ1vXag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

I agree that all 3 cities should be used - I think MDTA could follow VDOT's approach with juggling the Hampton Roads cities on I-64 east leaving Richmond.  At the very least, maybe SHA could add signs on I-695 approaching exit 33 resembling this sign on I-295 approaching exit 28 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5615611,-77.2974642,3a,43.2y,113.27h,86.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4HypsIFBKPuvy36aNRqhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  And then on I-95 itself, MDTA could cycle between cities on the various mileage signs as VDOT does with the mileage signs on I-64 (examples past exits 200 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5137932,-77.2398659,3a,75.3y,114.89h,84.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR1sDBEZpkWjbDAaTkF0Zdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 205 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.513499,-77.1711194,3a,75y,136.01h,85.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTJaOLRwTysRfuIvgBPAbew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 211 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5010722,-77.0679823,3a,42.3y,115.09h,86.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDJpn0DILfHZHhJHmjsbMwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), and 220 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4747071,-76.909872,3a,75y,150.69h,85.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svF3EDAiVIkceX9UbF8DXVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)).

Since MDTA's post-interchange distance signs typically use the next interchange, followed by a more local location, followed by the control city (example here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3950767,-76.4325546,3a,75y,71.79h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smFtzZAsCrh1ijxanl4boJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)), maybe MDTA could use the bottom line to cycle between Wilmington, Philadelphia, and New York.  Currently, Wilmington does make one appearance on the middle line following exit 100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6402195,-75.9409742,3a,44.5y,83.23h,87.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfei5LHpyjvh3eQe9uNsZLQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

There is a mileage sign for Philadelphia and New York on I-95 past the Laurel rest area (SHA maintained)

https://goo.gl/maps/GDzZ5WAafTym8LsH6
I think I figured out why MDDOT, uses NY instead of Philly.

Simply it's because of traffic from DC to NY. Maybe due to the popularity of the areas between tourists & traveling residents/workers from DC to NY.

of course we would know all the cities & states in between DC/NY. We know the area & some of us travel everyday between the two places.

I dont think any other states in the US have a traveling work force like the area between DC-DE-PA-NJ-NY.

However the DOTS should be putting the correct cities on these BGS'


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 16, 2020, 11:41:16 PM
Inertia is why MDOT SHA and MdTA use NY, since the old eastern turnpike complex traditionally bypassed Philly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on July 16, 2020, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: famartin on July 16, 2020, 11:41:16 PM
Inertia is why MDOT SHA and MdTA use NY, since the old eastern turnpike complex traditionally bypassed Philly.
The signs have been replaced many times since then. Im sure they have realized it's connected now.


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 29, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 16, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I suspect MDTA decides for the roads under its jurisdiction.

I still feel that Wilmington, Delaware (only) should get mention along I-95 in Maryland.  DelDOT mentions Baltimore several times on I-95 southbound in their state. 

I understand it to not be favored by MUTCD, but I think signing all three (Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York) would be appropriate - or at least two of them, and making sure that all get mentioned in terms of distance signs at least once or twice.

SHA does seem to follow MDTA's New York preference based on these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4207451,-76.6458246,3a,42.8y,96.17h,92.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skou9Np7TuBCBSTrXQ1vXag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

I agree that all 3 cities should be used - I think MDTA could follow VDOT's approach with juggling the Hampton Roads cities on I-64 east leaving Richmond.  At the very least, maybe SHA could add signs on I-695 approaching exit 33 resembling this sign on I-295 approaching exit 28 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5615611,-77.2974642,3a,43.2y,113.27h,86.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4HypsIFBKPuvy36aNRqhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  And then on I-95 itself, MDTA could cycle between cities on the various mileage signs as VDOT does with the mileage signs on I-64 (examples past exits 200 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5137932,-77.2398659,3a,75.3y,114.89h,84.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR1sDBEZpkWjbDAaTkF0Zdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 205 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.513499,-77.1711194,3a,75y,136.01h,85.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTJaOLRwTysRfuIvgBPAbew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 211 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5010722,-77.0679823,3a,42.3y,115.09h,86.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDJpn0DILfHZHhJHmjsbMwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), and 220 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4747071,-76.909872,3a,75y,150.69h,85.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svF3EDAiVIkceX9UbF8DXVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)).

Since MDTA's post-interchange distance signs typically use the next interchange, followed by a more local location, followed by the control city (example here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3950767,-76.4325546,3a,75y,71.79h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smFtzZAsCrh1ijxanl4boJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)), maybe MDTA could use the bottom line to cycle between Wilmington, Philadelphia, and New York.  Currently, Wilmington does make one appearance on the middle line following exit 100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6402195,-75.9409742,3a,44.5y,83.23h,87.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfei5LHpyjvh3eQe9uNsZLQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
It bears repeating that even with the I-95 gap being eliminated by the Pennsylvania Turnpike interchange project, New York continues to be the control city for I-95 northbound between southwest Baltimore and the I-295 split south of Wilmington because most through traffic takes I-295 over the Delaware Memorial Bridge and to the New Jersey Turnpike instead of going through Wilmington, Philadelphia and over the Delaware River via the Pennsylvania/New Jersey turnpike connection. When the northbound control city becomes Wilmington past the 295 split and then Philadelphia once you get north of Wilmington's CBD, it's more intended for local travelers who aren't assumed to be going north of Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on July 29, 2020, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 16, 2020, 03:59:32 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I never understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC on I-95 North.
I-95 South in Petersburg, VA - " Miami"  (https://goo.gl/maps/EcBPbkKYF7eeEJ6Q8)

Honorable mention to "Atlanta"  for a control city on I-85 a few miles north of here.

But agreed, for the most part, the next largest city should be signed.

Miami, Jacksonville, Savannah, Florence, Fayetteville, Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York, etc.

Interesting to see long distance destinations here and there, such as "New York"  on I-95 in Northern Virginia, but it shouldn't be a primary control city for Maryland, maybe once or twice in conjunction with Philadelphia at large junctions, but that's it.

North Carolina seems to use smaller towns such as Benson, Dunn, and one could even say Rocky Mount should reasonably not be included either. VDOT uses Rocky Mount as a control city from Richmond south, though should be Fayetteville IMO.

Throughout NC, it should be Florence, Fayetteville, and Richmond, nothing else.
Thought they got rid of the 'Miami' in VA?
They used to have it on the I-95/I-295 intersection.

I agree, I don't get why Philly gets so shafted for control city both on I-95 in MD and on the NJTP.
I don't like the inconsistency too, how on the NJTP it has Wilmington but on I-95 in MD nothing about Wilmington.
Title: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on July 29, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on July 29, 2020, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 16, 2020, 03:59:32 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I never understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC on I-95 North.
I-95 South in Petersburg, VA - " Miami"  (https://goo.gl/maps/EcBPbkKYF7eeEJ6Q8)

Honorable mention to "Atlanta"  for a control city on I-85 a few miles north of here.

But agreed, for the most part, the next largest city should be signed.

Miami, Jacksonville, Savannah, Florence, Fayetteville, Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York, etc.

Interesting to see long distance destinations here and there, such as "New York"  on I-95 in Northern Virginia, but it shouldn't be a primary control city for Maryland, maybe once or twice in conjunction with Philadelphia at large junctions, but that's it.

North Carolina seems to use smaller towns such as Benson, Dunn, and one could even say Rocky Mount should reasonably not be included either. VDOT uses Rocky Mount as a control city from Richmond south, though should be Fayetteville IMO.

Throughout NC, it should be Florence, Fayetteville, and Richmond, nothing else.
Thought they got rid of the 'Miami' in VA?
They used to have it on the I-95/I-295 intersection.

I agree, I don't get why Philly gets so shafted for control city both on I-95 in MD and on the NJTP.
I don't like the inconsistency too, how on the NJTP it has Wilmington but on I-95 in MD nothing about Wilmington.
Its because Mdot is a lush crum bum.

Edit: /S


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 29, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on July 29, 2020, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 16, 2020, 03:59:32 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on July 15, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
Crazy for MDDOT to sign 95 like this, I never understood why MD does this since you have multiple cities before NY. That's like being in Florida and having a sign for NC on I-95 North.

I-95 South in Petersburg, VA - " Miami"  (https://goo.gl/maps/EcBPbkKYF7eeEJ6Q8)

Honorable mention to "Atlanta"  for a control city on I-85 a few miles north of here.

But agreed, for the most part, the next largest city should be signed.

Miami, Jacksonville, Savannah, Florence, Fayetteville, Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York, etc.

Interesting to see long distance destinations here and there, such as "New York"  on I-95 in Northern Virginia, but it shouldn't be a primary control city for Maryland, maybe once or twice in conjunction with Philadelphia at large junctions, but that's it.

North Carolina seems to use smaller towns such as Benson, Dunn, and one could even say Rocky Mount should reasonably not be included either. VDOT uses Rocky Mount as a control city from Richmond south, though should be Fayetteville IMO.

Throughout NC, it should be Florence, Fayetteville, and Richmond, nothing else.
Thought they got rid of the 'Miami' in VA?
They used to have it on the I-95/I-295 intersection.

I agree, I don't get why Philly gets so shafted for control city both on I-95 in MD and on the NJTP.
I don't like the inconsistency too, how on the NJTP it has Wilmington but on I-95 in MD nothing about Wilmington.


The location Tonytone linked to is the only Miami sign left in VA on I-95 SB last I remember.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on July 29, 2020, 11:25:00 AM
Thought they got rid of the 'Miami' in VA?
They used to have it on the I-95/I-295 intersection.

....

Last time I went through there, the BGS north of I-85 that had Miami was gone, but there was still one LGS just to the south of I-85 that listed Rocky Mount NC and Miami. Street View shows it was still there in July 2019, (https://goo.gl/maps/EMkapgEAbfnbP24i9) which is more recent than my last trip through that area.

The BGSs now list Rocky Mount NC and Durham. Kind of odd they just say "Durham" and not "Durham NC," but maybe they're concerned that someone might confuse Rocky Mount with the one in Virginia even though it's nowhere near I-95 or I-85. As far as I know, there is no Durham in Virginia.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on July 29, 2020, 01:57:30 PM
^

Interestingly, when they replaced signage for the I-85 junction a few years back, they actually kept "Atlanta" on one of the new signs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2509151,-77.3946529,3a,74.7y,158.85h,93.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1S-qerVUGu0qFydkevXW3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Additionally, another sign at the northern I-95 / I-295 junction directs traffic bound to I-85 South "Atlanta / Durham" to follow I-95 South. https://www.google.com/maps/@37.699489,-77.4491556,3a,37.5y,201.79h,88.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF6qFQ-wRyNUjsf86WTYAGA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on July 29, 2020, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
The BGSs now list Rocky Mount NC and Durham. Kind of odd they just say "Durham" and not "Durham NC," but maybe they're concerned that someone might confuse Rocky Mount with the one in Virginia even though it's nowhere near I-95 or I-85. As far as I know, there is no Durham in Virginia.
North Carolina does a similar thing on US-17 with "Chesapeake VA". As far as I'm aware, there's no Chesapeake, NC to be confused with.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2497747,-76.3181705,3a,49y,69.65h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl0PQuo37dvM9j_gmo527Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
 :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

https://twitter.com/AdamTuss/status/1288558850296164355?s=20
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 29, 2020, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2020, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
The BGSs now list Rocky Mount NC and Durham. Kind of odd they just say "Durham" and not "Durham NC," but maybe they're concerned that someone might confuse Rocky Mount with the one in Virginia even though it's nowhere near I-95 or I-85. As far as I know, there is no Durham in Virginia.
North Carolina does a similar thing on US-17 with "Chesapeake VA". As far as I'm aware, there's no Chesapeake, NC to be confused with.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2497747,-76.3181705,3a,49y,69.65h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl0PQuo37dvM9j_gmo527Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

The only example I can think of in MD like this is the "York PA" (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4188612,-76.6346987,3a,49y,290.64h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skMUzXAoI3HGx1frluyEwJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) signage for I-83 north from I-695.

Interestingly, once on I-83 the first pull-thru at exit 16 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4352242,-76.6332906,3a,49.6y,358.97h,84.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scacC-ZtxiLFLSKbhFxQucA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) still includes "PA", but the next 2 after that at exits 18 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4652589,-76.6607193,3a,39.5y,341.04h,91.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szvNii6ZCpkbP8eRCFZeUYw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) & 20 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4884541,-76.6661665,3a,75y,358.29h,85.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spx0W8Q79Pe8gURyKUzJ5Lg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) drop the "PA".  Maybe SHA figures people have it figured out by that point? :-D
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on July 29, 2020, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2020, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
The BGSs now list Rocky Mount NC and Durham. Kind of odd they just say "Durham" and not "Durham NC," but maybe they're concerned that someone might confuse Rocky Mount with the one in Virginia even though it's nowhere near I-95 or I-85. As far as I know, there is no Durham in Virginia.
North Carolina does a similar thing on US-17 with "Chesapeake VA". As far as I'm aware, there's no Chesapeake, NC to be confused with.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2497747,-76.3181705,3a,49y,69.65h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl0PQuo37dvM9j_gmo527Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

Many states by default will sign the state if the control is out of state, regardless of confusion issues.

Of course, there are some who would say that only the largest cities may avoid mention of the state.  I don't see a harm to indicating state name, especially if you are only adding two letters.

On roads, it seems that states are abbreviated with the postal codes most of the time.  However, they can use an alternate form of abbreviation.

AP Style Guide for newspaper articles:

Quote

When the name of a state name appears in the body of a text, spell it out. When the name of a city and state are used together, the name of the state should be abbreviated (except for Alaska, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Ohio, Texas and Utah). States should also be abbreviated when used as part of a short-form political affiliation. Examples: He was travelling to Nashville, Tenn. The peace accord was signed in Dayton, Ohio. The storm began in Indiana and moved west toward Peoria, Ill.

Here is how each state is abbreviated in AP style (with the postal code abbreviations in parentheses):

State Abbreviations
Ala. (AL)   Neb. (NE)
Ariz. (AZ)   Nev. (NV)
Ark. (AR)   N.H. (NH)
Calif. (CA)   N.J. (NJ)
Colo. (CO)   N.M. (NM)
Conn. (CT)   N.Y. (NY)
Del. (DE)   N.C. (NC)
Fla. (FL)   N.D. (ND)
Ga. (GA)   Okla. (OK)
Ill. (IL)   Ore. (OR)
Ind. (IN)   Pa. (PA)
Kan. (KS)   R.I. (RI)
Ky. (KY)   S.C. (SC)
La. (LA)   S.D. (SD)
Md. (MD)   Tenn. (TN)
Mass. (MA)   Vt. (VT)
Mich. (MI)   Va. (VA)
Minn. (MN)   Wash. (WA)
Miss. (MS)   W.Va. (WV)
Mo. (MO)   Wis. (WI)
Mont. (MT)   Wyo. (WY)


AP style does not require the name of a state to accompany the names of the following 30 cities:

Cities Not Requiring State Names
Atlanta   Phoenix
Baltimore   Pittsburgh
Boston   St. Louis
Chicago   Salt Lake City
Cincinnati   San Antonio
Cleveland   San Diego
Dallas   San Francisco
Denver   Seattle
Detroit   Washington
Honolulu   
Houston   
Indianapolis   
Las Vegas   
Los Angeles   
Miami   
Milwaukee   
Minneapolis   
New Orleans   
New York   
Oklahoma City   
Philadelphia


While there are many cities outside of the above list that are well known to the American public, for smaller cities that are out of state, I would include the state abbreviation.


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on July 30, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 29, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 16, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I suspect MDTA decides for the roads under its jurisdiction.

I still feel that Wilmington, Delaware (only) should get mention along I-95 in Maryland.  DelDOT mentions Baltimore several times on I-95 southbound in their state. 

I understand it to not be favored by MUTCD, but I think signing all three (Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York) would be appropriate - or at least two of them, and making sure that all get mentioned in terms of distance signs at least once or twice.

SHA does seem to follow MDTA's New York preference based on these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4207451,-76.6458246,3a,42.8y,96.17h,92.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skou9Np7TuBCBSTrXQ1vXag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

I agree that all 3 cities should be used - I think MDTA could follow VDOT's approach with juggling the Hampton Roads cities on I-64 east leaving Richmond.  At the very least, maybe SHA could add signs on I-695 approaching exit 33 resembling this sign on I-295 approaching exit 28 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5615611,-77.2974642,3a,43.2y,113.27h,86.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4HypsIFBKPuvy36aNRqhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  And then on I-95 itself, MDTA could cycle between cities on the various mileage signs as VDOT does with the mileage signs on I-64 (examples past exits 200 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5137932,-77.2398659,3a,75.3y,114.89h,84.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR1sDBEZpkWjbDAaTkF0Zdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 205 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.513499,-77.1711194,3a,75y,136.01h,85.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTJaOLRwTysRfuIvgBPAbew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 211 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5010722,-77.0679823,3a,42.3y,115.09h,86.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDJpn0DILfHZHhJHmjsbMwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), and 220 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4747071,-76.909872,3a,75y,150.69h,85.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svF3EDAiVIkceX9UbF8DXVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)).

Since MDTA's post-interchange distance signs typically use the next interchange, followed by a more local location, followed by the control city (example here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3950767,-76.4325546,3a,75y,71.79h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smFtzZAsCrh1ijxanl4boJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)), maybe MDTA could use the bottom line to cycle between Wilmington, Philadelphia, and New York.  Currently, Wilmington does make one appearance on the middle line following exit 100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6402195,-75.9409742,3a,44.5y,83.23h,87.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfei5LHpyjvh3eQe9uNsZLQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
It bears repeating that even with the I-95 gap being eliminated by the Pennsylvania Turnpike interchange project, New York continues to be the control city for I-95 northbound between southwest Baltimore and the I-295 split south of Wilmington because most through traffic takes I-295 over the Delaware Memorial Bridge and to the New Jersey Turnpike instead of going through Wilmington, Philadelphia and over the Delaware River via the Pennsylvania/New Jersey turnpike connection. When the northbound control city becomes Wilmington past the 295 split and then Philadelphia once you get north of Wilmington's CBD, it's more intended for local travelers who aren't assumed to be going north of Philadelphia.

Meh I don't like it, especially since the NJTP has 'Wilmington' as the control city even though most thru traffic on that route is for the I-95 mid-Atlantic Balt/Wash.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on July 30, 2020, 09:45:06 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on July 30, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 29, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 16, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 16, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
I believe that nearly all of us (except MD DOT) agree that the control on I-95 north of Baltimore should be Philadelphia for the entire state of MD.  NYC can be signed on mileage signs if there is room and if Philadelphia is already signed.

I suspect MDTA decides for the roads under its jurisdiction.

I still feel that Wilmington, Delaware (only) should get mention along I-95 in Maryland.  DelDOT mentions Baltimore several times on I-95 southbound in their state. 

I understand it to not be favored by MUTCD, but I think signing all three (Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York) would be appropriate - or at least two of them, and making sure that all get mentioned in terms of distance signs at least once or twice.

SHA does seem to follow MDTA's New York preference based on these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4207451,-76.6458246,3a,42.8y,96.17h,92.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skou9Np7TuBCBSTrXQ1vXag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

I agree that all 3 cities should be used - I think MDTA could follow VDOT's approach with juggling the Hampton Roads cities on I-64 east leaving Richmond.  At the very least, maybe SHA could add signs on I-695 approaching exit 33 resembling this sign on I-295 approaching exit 28 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5615611,-77.2974642,3a,43.2y,113.27h,86.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4HypsIFBKPuvy36aNRqhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  And then on I-95 itself, MDTA could cycle between cities on the various mileage signs as VDOT does with the mileage signs on I-64 (examples past exits 200 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5137932,-77.2398659,3a,75.3y,114.89h,84.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR1sDBEZpkWjbDAaTkF0Zdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 205 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.513499,-77.1711194,3a,75y,136.01h,85.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTJaOLRwTysRfuIvgBPAbew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), 211 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5010722,-77.0679823,3a,42.3y,115.09h,86.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDJpn0DILfHZHhJHmjsbMwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), and 220 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4747071,-76.909872,3a,75y,150.69h,85.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svF3EDAiVIkceX9UbF8DXVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)).

Since MDTA's post-interchange distance signs typically use the next interchange, followed by a more local location, followed by the control city (example here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3950767,-76.4325546,3a,75y,71.79h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smFtzZAsCrh1ijxanl4boJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)), maybe MDTA could use the bottom line to cycle between Wilmington, Philadelphia, and New York.  Currently, Wilmington does make one appearance on the middle line following exit 100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6402195,-75.9409742,3a,44.5y,83.23h,87.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfei5LHpyjvh3eQe9uNsZLQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
It bears repeating that even with the I-95 gap being eliminated by the Pennsylvania Turnpike interchange project, New York continues to be the control city for I-95 northbound between southwest Baltimore and the I-295 split south of Wilmington because most through traffic takes I-295 over the Delaware Memorial Bridge and to the New Jersey Turnpike instead of going through Wilmington, Philadelphia and over the Delaware River via the Pennsylvania/New Jersey turnpike connection. When the northbound control city becomes Wilmington past the 295 split and then Philadelphia once you get north of Wilmington's CBD, it's more intended for local travelers who aren't assumed to be going north of Philadelphia.

Meh I don't like it, especially since the NJTP has 'Wilmington' as the control city even though most thru traffic on that route is for the I-95 mid-Atlantic Balt/Wash.
That's actually a good point. If Wilmington is not important northbound, why is it important southbound? (Reverse is true of Trenton, Newark and Camden...)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 31, 2020, 10:40:54 PM
Quick tangential post: I drove north on I-95 twice in less than 24 hours between exits 77 and 85 earlier this week returning from a temporary daily errand, and in that time, the sticker for the Residence Inn off 85 at Ripken Stadium on the first lodging sign was replaced by one for the Comfort Inn (former FourPoints/Clarion) on the other side of the interchange. There are so many hotels off that exit that they're split between two blue service signs. I'm still waiting for them to add a sticker for the Marriott Fairfield that opened a few months ago. At least they're finally putting up Clearview signs in the vicinity of the interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 06, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
MDTA, following in the footsteps of PTC, has announced that the temporary all-electronic tolling started in March is now permanent:

https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/08/06/governor-hogan-announces-all-electronic-tolling-now-permanent-at-all-mdta-facilities-statewide/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on August 06, 2020, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 06, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
MDTA, following in the footsteps of PTC, has announced that the temporary all-electronic tolling started in March is now permanent:

https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/08/06/governor-hogan-announces-all-electronic-tolling-now-permanent-at-all-mdta-facilities-statewide/

There's still this, though the MdTA doesn't own or operate it...

http://www.oldtownbridge.com/

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 07, 2020, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: ixnay on August 06, 2020, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 06, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
MDTA, following in the footsteps of PTC, has announced that the temporary all-electronic tolling started in March is now permanent:

https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/08/06/governor-hogan-announces-all-electronic-tolling-now-permanent-at-all-mdta-facilities-statewide/

There's still this, though the MdTA doesn't own or operate it...

http://www.oldtownbridge.com/


It would be nice to see the owners of that bridge bought-out by MDTA and the current low-water bridge replaced with a higher two lane (and sidewalk) crossing..
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 07, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
Probably not enough demand to make it worthwhile for MDTA...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 07, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 06, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
MDTA, following in the footsteps of PTC, has announced that the temporary all-electronic tolling started in March is now permanent:

https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/08/06/governor-hogan-announces-all-electronic-tolling-now-permanent-at-all-mdta-facilities-statewide/
I got to experience this in June driving through the Harbor Tunnel and over the Key Bridge. Last week I drove the Tydings Bridge southbound for free and didn't get a good look at the northbound toll plaza, as it was nighttime.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on August 08, 2020, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 07, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 06, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
MDTA, following in the footsteps of PTC, has announced that the temporary all-electronic tolling started in March is now permanent:

https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/08/06/governor-hogan-announces-all-electronic-tolling-now-permanent-at-all-mdta-facilities-statewide/
I got to experience this in June driving through the Harbor Tunnel and over the Key Bridge. Last week I drove the Tydings Bridge southbound for free and didn't get a good look at the northbound toll plaza, as it was nighttime.

When I drove through earlier this summer, all of the toll lanes were signed as E-ZPass.  Might be confusing to someone used to paying cash.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 09, 2020, 12:46:57 AM
The Key Bridge Toll Plaza is gone now. Was that already planned, or a project they just whipped together in the last few months?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 09, 2020, 07:24:43 AM
Quote from: famartin on August 09, 2020, 12:46:57 AM
The Key Bridge Toll Plaza is gone now. Was that already planned, or a project they just whipped together in the last few months?

It was already planned. (https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/one-week-countdown-all-electronic-toll-collection-begins-october-30)  AET started there on October 30, 2019.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 09, 2020, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 08, 2020, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 07, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 06, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
MDTA, following in the footsteps of PTC, has announced that the temporary all-electronic tolling started in March is now permanent:

https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/08/06/governor-hogan-announces-all-electronic-tolling-now-permanent-at-all-mdta-facilities-statewide/
I got to experience this in June driving through the Harbor Tunnel and over the Key Bridge. Last week I drove the Tydings Bridge southbound for free and didn't get a good look at the northbound toll plaza, as it was nighttime.

When I drove through earlier this summer, all of the toll lanes were signed as E-ZPass.  Might be confusing to someone used to paying cash.

This is something that actually irks me about MDTA's toll signage.  Even on the facilities that were already converted to highway-speed AET (ICC, Hatem Key & Bay Bridges), the signs only mention E-ZPass (and only list the discounted MD E-ZPass rate, at that) and make zero reference to toll-by-plate being accepted.  Maybe this is their subtle way of trying to encourage more E-ZPass usage?

(FWIW I do have an MD E-ZPass, but it just seems strange that their only mentions of toll-by-plate are on their website and not on signage in the field.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on August 09, 2020, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 09, 2020, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 08, 2020, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 07, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 06, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
MDTA, following in the footsteps of PTC, has announced that the temporary all-electronic tolling started in March is now permanent:

https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/08/06/governor-hogan-announces-all-electronic-tolling-now-permanent-at-all-mdta-facilities-statewide/
I got to experience this in June driving through the Harbor Tunnel and over the Key Bridge. Last week I drove the Tydings Bridge southbound for free and didn't get a good look at the northbound toll plaza, as it was nighttime.

When I drove through earlier this summer, all of the toll lanes were signed as E-ZPass.  Might be confusing to someone used to paying cash.

This is something that actually irks me about MDTA's toll signage.  Even on the facilities that were already converted to highway-speed AET (ICC, Hatem Key & Bay Bridges), the signs only mention E-ZPass (and only list the discounted MD E-ZPass rate, at that) and make zero reference to toll-by-plate being accepted.  Maybe this is their subtle way of trying to encourage more E-ZPass usage?

(FWIW I do have an MD E-ZPass, but it just seems strange that their only mentions of toll-by-plate are on their website and not on signage in the field.)

Agreed.  On many roadways, if you don't have a transponder, you would assume a hefty fine (about $50) for passing through an E-Z Pass lane.  You would also try your best to find a CASH lane.  Now that AET is a thing, it should be clarified that you can pass through without paying cash and only pay a more moderate service fee without a transponder. Singage should clarify that cashless tolling is available to all.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 09, 2020, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 09, 2020, 12:46:57 AM
The Key Bridge Toll Plaza is gone now. Was that already planned, or a project they just whipped together in the last few months?
I noticed this too.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on August 10, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
Turns out roadgeeks aren't the only ones wondering why MD hasn't signed Philly on I-95

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/philadelphia-highway-signs-new-york-20200810.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 11, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 10, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
Turns out roadgeeks aren't the only ones wondering why MD hasn't signed Philly on I-95

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/philadelphia-highway-signs-new-york-20200810.html

I am a Maryland resident, but agree with this 100%.  I think it is unfortunate that MDTA does not sign Philadelphia and Wilmington.  And I disagree with the idea that only two lines can be used on those signs (Caltrans frequently uses three lines, which seems to be reasonable).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on August 11, 2020, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 11, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 10, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
Turns out roadgeeks aren't the only ones wondering why MD hasn't signed Philly on I-95

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/philadelphia-highway-signs-new-york-20200810.html

I am a Maryland resident, but agree with this 100%.  I think it is unfortunate that MDTA does not sign Philadelphia and Wilmington.  And I disagree with the idea that only two lines can be used on those signs (Caltrans frequently uses three lines, which seems to be reasonable).
I've seen plenty of ramp and pull-through signs that feature two destination listings for the same direction on a given route.

I actually chimed in on the Comments section and suggested using either Wilmington or old-school state names but using the 2-letter designations for sign size/space reasons.  Example: DE-PA-NJ-NY  Obviously, such wouldn't pass the current MUTCD muster.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 12, 2020, 12:25:12 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 11, 2020, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 11, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 10, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
Turns out roadgeeks aren't the only ones wondering why MD hasn't signed Philly on I-95

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/philadelphia-highway-signs-new-york-20200810.html

I am a Maryland resident, but agree with this 100%.  I think it is unfortunate that MDTA does not sign Philadelphia and Wilmington.  And I disagree with the idea that only two lines can be used on those signs (Caltrans frequently uses three lines, which seems to be reasonable).
I've seen plenty of ramp and pull-through signs that feature two destination listings for the same direction on a given route.

I actually chimed in on the Comments section and suggested using either Wilmington or old-school state names but using the 2-letter designations for sign size/space reasons.  Example: DE-PA-NJ-NY  Obviously, such wouldn't pass the current MUTCD muster.

I've lately stayed out of the control city debates, but I think things would be cleared up if the "official" cities were revised to only certain large cities along I-95 - after all, I-95 is pretty dang full of them, especially between VA and CT.

Not that it isn't obvious, but the control cities for I-95, IMHO, should be limited to these major cities: Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Bridgeport, Providence, Boston.  I could accept inclusion of Newark (NJ, not DE) and Wilmington. But really, Trenton, Chester and Newark DE need to be axed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on August 12, 2020, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: famartin on August 12, 2020, 12:25:12 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 11, 2020, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 11, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 10, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
Turns out roadgeeks aren't the only ones wondering why MD hasn't signed Philly on I-95

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/philadelphia-highway-signs-new-york-20200810.html

I am a Maryland resident, but agree with this 100%.  I think it is unfortunate that MDTA does not sign Philadelphia and Wilmington.  And I disagree with the idea that only two lines can be used on those signs (Caltrans frequently uses three lines, which seems to be reasonable).
I've seen plenty of ramp and pull-through signs that feature two destination listings for the same direction on a given route.

I actually chimed in on the Comments section and suggested using either Wilmington or old-school state names but using the 2-letter designations for sign size/space reasons.  Example: DE-PA-NJ-NY  Obviously, such wouldn't pass the current MUTCD muster.

I've lately stayed out of the control city debates, but I think things would be cleared up if the "official" cities were revised to only certain large cities along I-95 - after all, I-95 is pretty dang full of them, especially between VA and CT.

Not that it isn't obvious, but the control cities for I-95, IMHO, should be limited to these major cities: Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Bridgeport, Providence, Boston.  I could accept inclusion of Newark (NJ, not DE) and Wilmington. But really, Trenton, Chester and Newark DE need to be axed.
Sticking with I-95, south of Virginia, Rocky Mount, Dunn, Wilson, and Benson also need to be axed. Should be limited to Fayetteville and Florence.

Benson, a town of 2,000, is listed as an official control city by the AASHTO for both I-95 and I-40, with its only importance being -near- the junction of I-95 and I-40.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 12, 2020, 01:31:32 AM
Quote from: famartin on August 12, 2020, 12:25:12 AM
I've lately stayed out of the control city debates, but I think things would be cleared up if the "official" cities were revised to only certain large cities along I-95 - after all, I-95 is pretty dang full of them, especially between VA and CT.

Not that it isn't obvious, but the control cities for I-95, IMHO, should be limited to these major cities: Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Bridgeport, Providence, Boston.  I could accept inclusion of Newark (NJ, not DE) and Wilmington. But really, Trenton, Chester and Newark DE need to be axed.

I think Newark, New Jersey rates, as does Trenton, New Jersey (because it is the state capital).

Wilmington, Delaware is also fine.

Agree with you about Chester and Newark, Delaware.  They seem to be too small to rate being control cities. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 12, 2020, 06:37:17 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 12, 2020, 01:31:32 AM
Quote from: famartin on August 12, 2020, 12:25:12 AM
I've lately stayed out of the control city debates, but I think things would be cleared up if the "official" cities were revised to only certain large cities along I-95 - after all, I-95 is pretty dang full of them, especially between VA and CT.

Not that it isn't obvious, but the control cities for I-95, IMHO, should be limited to these major cities: Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Bridgeport, Providence, Boston.  I could accept inclusion of Newark (NJ, not DE) and Wilmington. But really, Trenton, Chester and Newark DE need to be axed.

I think Newark, New Jersey rates, as does Trenton, New Jersey (because it is the state capital).

Wilmington, Delaware is also fine.

Agree with you about Chester and Newark, Delaware.  They seem to be too small to rate being control cities.

I have two issues with Trenton.

1, I-95 now goes nowhere near, compared to every other control city currently used.

2, PennDOT has now abandoned its use in lieu of New York, and I don't like having cities used in only one direction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on August 12, 2020, 07:25:17 AM
This is the Maryland thread...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 12, 2020, 08:08:17 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 12, 2020, 07:25:17 AM
This is the Maryland thread...
Agreed
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on August 12, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
Looks like tollbooths will be removed over time with the cashless conversion, starting with the Ft. McHenry Tunnel next year

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2020/08/12/another-victim-coronavirus-cash-tolls/#comments-wrapper

Also, it looks like the new integrated DriveEzMD site has been delayed.  The countdown timer had been indicating a debut in the coming days but it now says 46 days to launch.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on August 14, 2020, 08:20:28 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 12, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
Looks like tollbooths will be removed over time with the cashless conversion, starting with the Ft. McHenry Tunnel next year

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2020/08/12/another-victim-coronavirus-cash-tolls/#comments-wrapper

Also, it looks like the new integrated DriveEzMD site has been delayed.  The countdown timer had been indicating a debut in the coming days but it now says 46 days to launch.

You can feel your intelligence start to dribble away when you read the comments below a lot of Washington Post articles.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 14, 2020, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2020, 08:20:28 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 12, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
Looks like tollbooths will be removed over time with the cashless conversion, starting with the Ft. McHenry Tunnel next year

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2020/08/12/another-victim-coronavirus-cash-tolls/#comments-wrapper

Also, it looks like the new integrated DriveEzMD site has been delayed.  The countdown timer had been indicating a debut in the coming days but it now says 46 days to launch.

You can feel your intelligence start to dribble away when you read the comments below a lot of Washington Post articles.

A lot of these people now whining about transponders/plate billing are probably the same ones who were whining on Bay Bridge backup articles last summer about how they need to get rid of the toll plaza to improve traffic :pan:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 19, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
If you want to see a bit of a goof, take a drive on MD 206 (Konterra Drive). They recently added reassurance signs, but the "begin" and "end" ones are all mixed up and out of place.  :-D
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on August 19, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 19, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
If you want to see a bit of a goof, take a drive on MD 206 (Konterra Drive). They recently added reassurance signs, but the "begin" and "end" ones are all mixed up and out of place.  :-D

This may be an artifact of MD 206 being shorter than it is when it first was designated.  Unfortunately, the HLR site is out of whack and only the 2015 one is still accessible, but it does show MD 206 ending well before Gunpowder Falls Rd. 

I also drove this not long ago and noticed the way to many BEGIN-END signs, some of which I thought were backwards even under the theory that MD 206 was shorter at first...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 19, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 19, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 19, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
If you want to see a bit of a goof, take a drive on MD 206 (Konterra Drive). They recently added reassurance signs, but the "begin" and "end" ones are all mixed up and out of place.  :-D

This may be an artifact of MD 206 being shorter than it is when it first was designated.  Unfortunately, the HLR site is out of whack and only the 2015 one is still accessible, but it does show MD 206 ending well before Gunpowder Falls Rd. 

I also drove this not long ago and noticed the way to many BEGIN-END signs, some of which I thought were backwards even under the theory that MD 206 was shorter at first...

Its *possible* but there was a properly posted "North 206" at MD 212 and a "South 206" at Gunpowder. Then the random "end" and "begin" ones in between. Its almost as if they were given a pile of signs for the "northbound" and "southbound" direction separately that were already posted on stakes, given locations to post, but weren't told specifically where to post the "begin" and "end" ones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on August 21, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 19, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 19, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
If you want to see a bit of a goof, take a drive on MD 206 (Konterra Drive). They recently added reassurance signs, but the "begin" and "end" ones are all mixed up and out of place.  :-D

This may be an artifact of MD 206 being shorter than it is when it first was designated.  Unfortunately, the HLR site is out of whack and only the 2015 one is still accessible, but it does show MD 206 ending well before Gunpowder Falls Rd. 

I also drove this not long ago and noticed the way to many BEGIN-END signs, some of which I thought were backwards even under the theory that MD 206 was shorter at first...
The 2018 HLR shows 206 being all of Konterra Drive from MD 212 to Old Gunpowder Road. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/Index.aspx?PageId=832
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 21, 2020, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: BrianP on August 21, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 19, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 19, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
If you want to see a bit of a goof, take a drive on MD 206 (Konterra Drive). They recently added reassurance signs, but the "begin" and "end" ones are all mixed up and out of place.  :-D

This may be an artifact of MD 206 being shorter than it is when it first was designated.  Unfortunately, the HLR site is out of whack and only the 2015 one is still accessible, but it does show MD 206 ending well before Gunpowder Falls Rd. 

I also drove this not long ago and noticed the way to many BEGIN-END signs, some of which I thought were backwards even under the theory that MD 206 was shorter at first...
The 2018 HLR shows 206 being all of Konterra Drive from MD 212 to Old Gunpowder Road. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/Index.aspx?PageId=832

Yes. Its properly posted as "North 206" at MD 212 and "South 206" at Gunpowder, but there are a few random "begin" and "end" signs between these two points that make no sense, other than the installer simply not paying attention or being utterly confused.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 21, 2020, 05:09:17 PM
These signs were posted correctly on 206...

Sign on 206 sb just after Gunpowder:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/2020-08-19_10_07_58_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_02.jpg/800px-2020-08-19_10_07_58_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_02.jpg)

Sign on 206 sb just after Muirkirk:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/2020-08-19_10_17_14_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_06.jpg/800px-2020-08-19_10_17_14_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_06.jpg)

Sign on 206 nb just after 212:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/2020-08-19_12_33_10_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_21.jpg/800px-2020-08-19_12_33_10_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_21.jpg)

Sign on 206 nb just after Fashion Place:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/2020-08-19_12_51_09_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_25.jpg/800px-2020-08-19_12_51_09_will_rename_and_categorize_soon_25.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 21, 2020, 05:54:53 PM
Here is a before and after of the sign change for exit 85 from I-95 northbound in Harford County:
(https://i.imgur.com/Vn2W3wI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KO5KrgJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ppo6aSd.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 12, 2020, 12:25:12 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 11, 2020, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 11, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 10, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
Turns out roadgeeks aren't the only ones wondering why MD hasn't signed Philly on I-95

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/philadelphia-highway-signs-new-york-20200810.html

I am a Maryland resident, but agree with this 100%.  I think it is unfortunate that MDTA does not sign Philadelphia and Wilmington.  And I disagree with the idea that only two lines can be used on those signs (Caltrans frequently uses three lines, which seems to be reasonable).
I've seen plenty of ramp and pull-through signs that feature two destination listings for the same direction on a given route.

I actually chimed in on the Comments section and suggested using either Wilmington or old-school state names but using the 2-letter designations for sign size/space reasons.  Example: DE-PA-NJ-NY  Obviously, such wouldn't pass the current MUTCD muster.

I've lately stayed out of the control city debates, but I think things would be cleared up if the "official" cities were revised to only certain large cities along I-95 - after all, I-95 is pretty dang full of them, especially between VA and CT.

Not that it isn't obvious, but the control cities for I-95, IMHO, should be limited to these major cities: Richmond, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Bridgeport, Providence, Boston.  I could accept inclusion of Newark (NJ, not DE) and Wilmington. But really, Trenton, Chester and Newark DE need to be axed.
The 3 minor places you mentioned "Trenton, Newark, De & Chester are kind of important. Well Chester is not really until the city changes, however Newark, De is important for UD thats not a regular school thats a well known university with credentials. So it's important to have Newark on signage for people traveling to UD.

Also Trenton has important places in it as well right? Im not familiar with Trenton.

I do agree certain names shouldn't be on the BGS.

Also that was a sad excuse for MD if you're going NB you know that you are in the direction of hitting up NYC & beyond especially with GPS.

But like I said above I figured the reason was for people traveling since our area MD-DE-NJ-PA-NY Is probably the biggest area in the US with people who work in one state & will travel for work in another state. For example MD-DE DE-NJ/NY MD/NY PA/NY/MD.

So the BGS in this area arent really for the local but the non local.


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on August 22, 2020, 12:11:56 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PM
The 3 minor places you mentioned "Trenton, Newark, De & Chester are kind of important. Well Chester is not really until the city changes, however Newark, De is important for UD thats not a regular school thats a well known university with credentials. So it's important to have Newark on signage for people traveling to UD.

Also Trenton has important places in it as well right? Im not familiar with Trenton.
Might be big cities, but aren't nearly as major as Philadelphia and New York City, which should be the primary control cities.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on August 22, 2020, 12:39:19 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 22, 2020, 12:11:56 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PM
The 3 minor places you mentioned "Trenton, Newark, De & Chester are kind of important. Well Chester is not really until the city changes, however Newark, De is important for UD thats not a regular school thats a well known university with credentials. So it's important to have Newark on signage for people traveling to UD.

Also Trenton has important places in it as well right? Im not familiar with Trenton.
Might be big cities, but aren't nearly as major as Philadelphia and New York City, which should be the primary control cities.
Correct the control cities should be major cities with atleast a population of 1 million.

However some cases can allow minor cities to be on the BGS.


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on August 22, 2020, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 22, 2020, 12:39:19 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 22, 2020, 12:11:56 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PM
The 3 minor places you mentioned "Trenton, Newark, De & Chester are kind of important. Well Chester is not really until the city changes, however Newark, De is important for UD thats not a regular school thats a well known university with credentials. So it's important to have Newark on signage for people traveling to UD.

Also Trenton has important places in it as well right? Im not familiar with Trenton.
Might be big cities, but aren't nearly as major as Philadelphia and New York City, which should be the primary control cities.
Correct the control cities should be major cities with atleast a population of 1 million.

However some cases can allow minor cities to be on the BGS.


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Or in North Carolina's case, a town of 2,000 as a control cities for not one, but two interstate highways, both that have much larger cities beyond that town.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on August 23, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PMAlso Trenton has important places in it as well right? I'm not familiar with Trenton.
Trenton is NJ's capital.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on August 23, 2020, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 23, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PMAlso Trenton has important places in it as well right? I'm not familiar with Trenton.
Trenton is NJ's capital.
There we go. That's important for NJ & the area alot of business go on there.

I believe the slogan is "Trenton makes the world takes"


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 24, 2020, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 23, 2020, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 23, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PMAlso Trenton has important places in it as well right? I'm not familiar with Trenton.
Trenton is NJ's capital.
There we go. That's important for NJ & the area alot of business go on there.

I believe the slogan is "Trenton makes the world takes"


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We're OT, but Trenton doesn't hold a candle to NYC or Philly in importance. They should take priority.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on August 24, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 23, 2020, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 23, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PMAlso Trenton has important places in it as well right? I'm not familiar with Trenton.
Trenton is NJ's capital.
There we go. That's important for NJ & the area alot of business go on there.
I believe the slogan is "Trenton makes the world takes"
We're OT, but Trenton doesn't hold a candle to NYC or Philly in importance. They should take priority.
In general, the listing of state capitals as control cities on highways signs is allowed; regardless of size & population.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 24, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 23, 2020, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 23, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 11:02:34 PMAlso Trenton has important places in it as well right? I'm not familiar with Trenton.
Trenton is NJ's capital.
There we go. That's important for NJ & the area alot of business go on there.
I believe the slogan is "Trenton makes the world takes"
We're OT, but Trenton doesn't hold a candle to NYC or Philly in importance. They should take priority.
In general, the listing of state capitals as control cities on highways signs is allowed; regardless of size & population.
I made no mention of whether it was allowed. Lots of things are allowed but not especially useful. Trenton as a control city for I-95, for example: Allowed, but not particularly useful. PA has abandoned its use, it's time NJ did likewise. I mean, it's not like NJ EVER used it for the NB Turnpike. And mind you, I was born and raised in Trenton/Ewing.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on August 25, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI made no mention of whether it was allowed. Lots of things are allowed but not especially useful. Trenton as a control city for I-95, for example: Allowed, but not particularly useful. PA has abandoned its use, it's time NJ did likewise.
As stated upthread and on the actual topic threads; while the I-95 reroute onto the PA Turnpike diverted the I-95 corridor from the Trenton area; the Delaware Expressway (now I-295 north of the Turnpike crossing) still provides freeway (though not direct) access to Trenton... which is closer to Philly than NYC.

Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI mean, it's not like NJ EVER used it for the NB Turnpike. And mind you, I was born and raised in Trenton/Ewing.
Given that information; you should then know that access to Trenton & the surrounding area from the Delaware Memorial Bridge & South Jersey is done via I-295.  Which explains why there are no northbound NJTP signs that list Trenton; However, Newark used to be listed (along with NYC) on older ramp signage.
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Back to the topic-focus on hand: Northbound I-95 signage in Maryland IMHO should simply list Wilmington (DE) mainly since such is the next city in an adjacent state the Interstate goes through.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 26, 2020, 12:19:11 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 25, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI made no mention of whether it was allowed. Lots of things are allowed but not especially useful. Trenton as a control city for I-95, for example: Allowed, but not particularly useful. PA has abandoned its use, it's time NJ did likewise.
As stated upthread and on the actual topic threads; while the I-95 reroute onto the PA Turnpike diverted the I-95 corridor from the Trenton area; the Delaware Expressway (now I-295 north of the Turnpike crossing) still provides freeway (though not direct) access to Trenton... which is closer to Philly than NYC.

Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI mean, it's not like NJ EVER used it for the NB Turnpike. And mind you, I was born and raised in Trenton/Ewing.
Given that information; you should then know that access to Trenton & the surrounding area from the Delaware Memorial Bridge & South Jersey is done via I-295.  Which explains why there are no northbound NJTP signs that list Trenton; However, Newark used to be listed (along with NYC) on older ramp signage.
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Back to the topic-focus on hand: Northbound I-95 signage in Maryland IMHO should simply list Wilmington (DE) mainly since such is the next city in an adjacent state the Interstate goes through.

Yes, I-295 still goes there, but I-95 NB is now signed exclusively as for NYC, not Trenton, in PA. All signage for Trenton on I-95 NB has been replaced with NYC, even though it might well have been somewhat appropriate to keep it. So, why is I-95 SB still signed for Trenton, when a virtually identical situation exists (except SB, its I-195 providing the access)? The answer is simply inertia... i.e. its how its always been. But if PA managed to change inertia, time for NJ to do likewise.

As far as the NB NJTP never signing Trenton, yes, NOW it doesn't make sense, but it did once, back before I-295 was substantially complete.  In fact, it was probably faster to take the NJTP to Trenton as recently as the early 90s, since I-295 wasn't completed in the Trenton area until 1994 or so. Before then it ended at US 130 in Bordentown.

And yes, finally back to being on-topic:  Wilmington would be adequate, and it would offer continuity with what Delaware signs. Not that MDOT SHA or MdTA will ever change the signs. In fact, they just added new signs listing I-95 NB for New York at the MD 24 interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Tonytone on August 26, 2020, 12:48:28 AM
Quote from: famartin on August 26, 2020, 12:19:11 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 25, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI made no mention of whether it was allowed. Lots of things are allowed but not especially useful. Trenton as a control city for I-95, for example: Allowed, but not particularly useful. PA has abandoned its use, it's time NJ did likewise.
As stated upthread and on the actual topic threads; while the I-95 reroute onto the PA Turnpike diverted the I-95 corridor from the Trenton area; the Delaware Expressway (now I-295 north of the Turnpike crossing) still provides freeway (though not direct) access to Trenton... which is closer to Philly than NYC.

Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI mean, it's not like NJ EVER used it for the NB Turnpike. And mind you, I was born and raised in Trenton/Ewing.
Given that information; you should then know that access to Trenton & the surrounding area from the Delaware Memorial Bridge & South Jersey is done via I-295.  Which explains why there are no northbound NJTP signs that list Trenton; However, Newark used to be listed (along with NYC) on older ramp signage.
___________________________________________

Back to the topic-focus on hand: Northbound I-95 signage in Maryland IMHO should simply list Wilmington (DE) mainly since such is the next city in an adjacent state the Interstate goes through.

Yes, I-295 still goes there, but I-95 NB is now signed exclusively as for NYC, not Trenton, in PA. All signage for Trenton on I-95 NB has been replaced with NYC, even though it might well have been somewhat appropriate to keep it. So, why is I-95 SB still signed for Trenton, when a virtually identical situation exists (except SB, its I-195 providing the access)? The answer is simply inertia... i.e. its how its always been. But if PA managed to change inertia, time for NJ to do likewise.

As far as the NB NJTP never signing Trenton, yes, NOW it doesn't make sense, but it did once, back before I-295 was substantially complete.  In fact, it was probably faster to take the NJTP to Trenton as recently as the early 90s, since I-295 wasn't completed in the Trenton area until 1994 or so. Before then it ended at US 130 in Bordentown.

And yes, finally back to being on-topic:  Wilmington would be adequate, and it would offer continuity with what Delaware signs. Not that MDOT SHA or MdTA will ever change the signs. In fact, they just added new signs listing I-95 NB for New York at the MD 24 interchange.
Maybe MD doesnt sign DE because we stiffed them on at toll plaza. If the toll plaza was on there end they would have probably signed Delaware.


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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 26, 2020, 12:19:11 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 25, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI made no mention of whether it was allowed. Lots of things are allowed but not especially useful. Trenton as a control city for I-95, for example: Allowed, but not particularly useful. PA has abandoned its use, it's time NJ did likewise.
As stated upthread and on the actual topic threads; while the I-95 reroute onto the PA Turnpike diverted the I-95 corridor from the Trenton area; the Delaware Expressway (now I-295 north of the Turnpike crossing) still provides freeway (though not direct) access to Trenton... which is closer to Philly than NYC.
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI mean, it's not like NJ EVER used it for the NB Turnpike. And mind you, I was born and raised in Trenton/Ewing.
Given that information; you should then know that access to Trenton & the surrounding area from the Delaware Memorial Bridge & South Jersey is done via I-295.  Which explains why there are no northbound NJTP signs that list Trenton; However, Newark used to be listed (along with NYC) on older ramp signage.
Yes, I-295 still goes there, but I-95 NB is now signed exclusively as for NYC, not Trenton, in PA. All signage for Trenton on I-95 NB has been replaced with NYC, even though it might well have been somewhat appropriate to keep it.
Not quite.  The signage from I-76 westbound/Walt Whitman Bridge haven't been (yet) changed.  IMHO, the ramp signs to I-95 northbound from these bridges from Philly northward shouldn't have been changed at all; especially since some of the traffic is coming from the NYC area.

Quote from: famartin on August 26, 2020, 12:19:11 AMSo, why is I-95 SB still signed for Trenton, when a virtually identical situation exists (except SB, its I-195 providing the access)? The answer is simply inertia... i.e. its how its always been. But if PA managed to change inertia, time for NJ to do likewise.

As far as the NB NJTP never signing Trenton, yes, NOW it doesn't make sense, but it did once, back before I-295 was substantially complete.  In fact, it was probably faster to take the NJTP to Trenton as recently as the early 90s, since I-295 wasn't completed in the Trenton area until 1994 or so. Before then it ended at US 130 in Bordentown.
I can't speak nor confirm regarding how such was signed during the 50s through the 70s; but the northbound NJTP signage from the 80s and 90s never listed Trenton on them.

As far as the southbound I-95/NJTP signage is concerned; Trenton is displayed/remains because:
1.  Such is in NJ and Trenton is the state's capital city.
2.  Trenton is closer in proximity than Philly.

Yes, the southbound GSP Exit 129 signage was recently modified to list Philadelphia instead of Camden* but the northbound Exit 129 signage and the southbound I-95/NJTP ramp signage still list Trenton.

*Camden was chosen over Trenton in the southbound direction because such was already displayed at the US 1/Exit 130 interchange.  IMHO, the southbound US 1 exit sign should've listed New Brunswick which would've allowed the southbound Exit 129 signage to list Trenton.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on August 28, 2020, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 26, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 26, 2020, 12:19:11 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 25, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI made no mention of whether it was allowed. Lots of things are allowed but not especially useful. Trenton as a control city for I-95, for example: Allowed, but not particularly useful. PA has abandoned its use, it's time NJ did likewise.
As stated upthread and on the actual topic threads; while the I-95 reroute onto the PA Turnpike diverted the I-95 corridor from the Trenton area; the Delaware Expressway (now I-295 north of the Turnpike crossing) still provides freeway (though not direct) access to Trenton... which is closer to Philly than NYC.
Quote from: famartin on August 24, 2020, 04:09:32 PMI mean, it's not like NJ EVER used it for the NB Turnpike. And mind you, I was born and raised in Trenton/Ewing.
Given that information; you should then know that access to Trenton & the surrounding area from the Delaware Memorial Bridge & South Jersey is done via I-295.  Which explains why there are no northbound NJTP signs that list Trenton; However, Newark used to be listed (along with NYC) on older ramp signage.
Yes, I-295 still goes there, but I-95 NB is now signed exclusively as for NYC, not Trenton, in PA. All signage for Trenton on I-95 NB has been replaced with NYC, even though it might well have been somewhat appropriate to keep it.
Not quite.  The signage from I-76 westbound/Walt Whitman Bridge haven't been (yet) changed.  IMHO, the ramp signs to I-95 northbound from these bridges from Philly northward shouldn't have been changed at all; especially since some of the traffic is coming from the NYC area.

Quote from: famartin on August 26, 2020, 12:19:11 AMSo, why is I-95 SB still signed for Trenton, when a virtually identical situation exists (except SB, its I-195 providing the access)? The answer is simply inertia... i.e. its how its always been. But if PA managed to change inertia, time for NJ to do likewise.

As far as the NB NJTP never signing Trenton, yes, NOW it doesn't make sense, but it did once, back before I-295 was substantially complete.  In fact, it was probably faster to take the NJTP to Trenton as recently as the early 90s, since I-295 wasn't completed in the Trenton area until 1994 or so. Before then it ended at US 130 in Bordentown.
I can't speak nor confirm regarding how such was signed during the 50s through the 70s; but the northbound NJTP signage from the 80s and 90s never listed Trenton on them.

As far as the southbound I-95/NJTP signage is concerned; Trenton is displayed/remains because:
1.  Such is in NJ and Trenton is the state's capital city.
2.  Trenton is closer in proximity than Philly.

Yes, the southbound GSP Exit 129 signage was recently modified to list Philadelphia instead of Camden* but the northbound Exit 129 signage and the southbound I-95/NJTP ramp signage still list Trenton.

*Camden was chosen over Trenton in the southbound direction because such was already displayed at the US 1/Exit 130 interchange.  IMHO, the southbound US 1 exit sign should've listed New Brunswick which would've allowed the southbound Exit 129 signage to list Trenton.
It's stupid for all the reasons stated.
Philly is a top 10 city and should be signed starting at the GWB.

Moreover, the fact that Trenton is signed by Newark isn't makes even less sense.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on August 29, 2020, 12:25:44 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2020, 03:24:15 PMPhilly is a top 10 city and should be signed starting at the GWB.
No offense but it's not like I-95 & the NJ Turnpike in North Jersey is rural.  Newark is listed as a southbound I-95/NJTP control city from the bridge to the Newark area because:
1.  It is a sizable city that the highway corridor goes through.
2.  A major airport (EWR) in said-city is also adjacent to the highway.

Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2020, 03:24:15 PMMoreover, the fact that Trenton is signed by Newark isn't makes even less sense.
How so?  Trenton is the next sizable NJ city, let alone the state's capital, that the Turnpike (I-95) approaches but bypasses.

Further south, there is now a mileage sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.459286,-74.4177463,3a,75y,216.05h,76.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s41UP17fxJPJBg9s6PtqIRA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) south of Exit 9 (US 1/NJ 18) that lists Trenton, Philadelphia & Camden.  Such replaced the smaller button-copy TRENTON 30 MILES sign that was there for decades.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on August 30, 2020, 04:04:57 PM
SB on I-95 there are some signs indicating Trenton as the control city even up in Bronx, NY.  IMO, that's too far for that control, Newark would be better. [Especially as there is no further guidance to Trenton signed practically until you are south of Newark.]

Then, the next stretch southbound has very few controls at all, which is unfortunate as it is a confusing area with lots of off-ramps to well-traveled local highways.  The few controls that you do see are controls for 80 (Hackensack local and Paterson express) without at all referencing any of 95's controls.  (IMO, this should be Paterson Newark, at least for the express lanes).  At the 95/80 split, we finally see a Newark control (but still don't see Trenton).  In my view Newark is proper here.

Once south of Newark, Trenton is the proper control.  If there is room on the sign for a second control, then signing both for Trenton and Philadelphia would be appropriate until I-195.

It would be interesting to see how this is done once all of the NJTP signs are done.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on August 30, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: mrsman on August 30, 2020, 04:04:57 PM
SB on I-95 there are some signs indicating Trenton as the control city even up in Bronx, NY.  IMO, that's too far for that control, Newark would be better. [Especially as there is no further guidance to Trenton signed practically until you are south of Newark.]

Then, the next stretch southbound has very few controls at all, which is unfortunate as it is a confusing area with lots of off-ramps to well-traveled local highways.  The few controls that you do see are controls for 80 (Hackensack local and Paterson express) without at all referencing any of 95's controls.  (IMO, this should be Paterson Newark, at least for the express lanes).  At the 95/80 split, we finally see a Newark control (but still don't see Trenton).  In my view Newark is proper here.

Once south of Newark, Trenton is the proper control.  If there is room on the sign for a second control, then signing both for Trenton and Philadelphia would be appropriate until I-195.

It would be interesting to see how this is done once all of the NJTP signs are done.

This is why it makes no sense to me. Few people seriously believe that northbound will ever say anything but NYC.  So, why is having southbound say "Philadelphia" so much of a stretch? Its logical and reciprocal. If the only northbound control city from Philly to NYC is NYC, then the only southbound control city from NYC to Philly should be Philly.

To bring this back to MD... the only two control cities between Baltimore and Washington are Baltimore and Washington. No one would ever think to put Columbia on the list, even though its actually more prominent than Trenton is population-wise (in some regards, anyway).  Now that I-95 is complete, the stretch between Philly and NYC should be similar from a signage standpoint: Philly and NYC. That's it.

Now, we know this isn't going to happen. But I can fantasize.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on September 01, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 30, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: mrsman on August 30, 2020, 04:04:57 PM
SB on I-95 there are some signs indicating Trenton as the control city even up in Bronx, NY.  IMO, that's too far for that control, Newark would be better. [Especially as there is no further guidance to Trenton signed practically until you are south of Newark.]

Then, the next stretch southbound has very few controls at all, which is unfortunate as it is a confusing area with lots of off-ramps to well-traveled local highways.  The few controls that you do see are controls for 80 (Hackensack local and Paterson express) without at all referencing any of 95's controls.  (IMO, this should be Paterson Newark, at least for the express lanes).  At the 95/80 split, we finally see a Newark control (but still don't see Trenton).  In my view Newark is proper here.

Once south of Newark, Trenton is the proper control.  If there is room on the sign for a second control, then signing both for Trenton and Philadelphia would be appropriate until I-195.

It would be interesting to see how this is done once all of the NJTP signs are done.

This is why it makes no sense to me. Few people seriously believe that northbound will ever say anything but NYC.  So, why is having southbound say "Philadelphia" so much of a stretch? Its logical and reciprocal. If the only northbound control city from Philly to NYC is NYC, then the only southbound control city from NYC to Philly should be Philly.

To bring this back to MD... the only two control cities between Baltimore and Washington are Baltimore and Washington. No one would ever think to put Columbia on the list, even though its actually more prominent than Trenton is population-wise (in some regards, anyway).  Now that I-95 is complete, the stretch between Philly and NYC should be similar from a signage standpoint: Philly and NYC. That's it.

Now, we know this isn't going to happen. But I can fantasize.

You make very good points.  I would still say that Philadelphia should not be the control at all until the start of the NJTP (i.e. south of the 80/95 split).  Since the trajectory of 95 between the Bronx and the 80/95 split is largely E/W, it makes sense for the control to not be too far south as a lot of people traveling on 95 SB are also ultimately headed west.  It would be somewhat confusing to see Philadelphia in the Bronx or coming off the GWB in that case.

Once you reach the 95/80 split, the control should be Newark (for continuity purposes until you hit Newark).  South of Newark, there is an argument for signing Philadelphia instead of Trenton. 

Of course, if two controls are permitted you can resolve all of this.  Newark/Philadelphia leads to Trenton/Philadelphia leads to Philadelphia/Wilmington.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on September 01, 2020, 10:48:41 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 30, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: mrsman on August 30, 2020, 04:04:57 PM
SB on I-95 there are some signs indicating Trenton as the control city even up in Bronx, NY.  IMO, that's too far for that control, Newark would be better. [Especially as there is no further guidance to Trenton signed practically until you are south of Newark.]

Then, the next stretch southbound has very few controls at all, which is unfortunate as it is a confusing area with lots of off-ramps to well-traveled local highways.  The few controls that you do see are controls for 80 (Hackensack local and Paterson express) without at all referencing any of 95's controls.  (IMO, this should be Paterson Newark, at least for the express lanes).  At the 95/80 split, we finally see a Newark control (but still don't see Trenton).  In my view Newark is proper here.

Once south of Newark, Trenton is the proper control.  If there is room on the sign for a second control, then signing both for Trenton and Philadelphia would be appropriate until I-195.

It would be interesting to see how this is done once all of the NJTP signs are done.

This is why it makes no sense to me. Few people seriously believe that northbound will ever say anything but NYC.  So, why is having southbound say "Philadelphia" so much of a stretch? Its logical and reciprocal. If the only northbound control city from Philly to NYC is NYC, then the only southbound control city from NYC to Philly should be Philly.

To bring this back to MD... the only two control cities between Baltimore and Washington are Baltimore and Washington. No one would ever think to put Columbia on the list, even though its actually more prominent than Trenton is population-wise (in some regards, anyway).  Now that I-95 is complete, the stretch between Philly and NYC should be similar from a signage standpoint: Philly and NYC. That's it.

Now, we know this isn't going to happen. But I can fantasize.
Agreed!
Reciprocal.
Now why won't this happen?  I mean they already have started to install more signs.

Quote from: mrsman on September 01, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: famartin on August 30, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: mrsman on August 30, 2020, 04:04:57 PM
SB on I-95 there are some signs indicating Trenton as the control city even up in Bronx, NY.  IMO, that's too far for that control, Newark would be better. [Especially as there is no further guidance to Trenton signed practically until you are south of Newark.]

Then, the next stretch southbound has very few controls at all, which is unfortunate as it is a confusing area with lots of off-ramps to well-traveled local highways.  The few controls that you do see are controls for 80 (Hackensack local and Paterson express) without at all referencing any of 95's controls.  (IMO, this should be Paterson Newark, at least for the express lanes).  At the 95/80 split, we finally see a Newark control (but still don't see Trenton).  In my view Newark is proper here.

Once south of Newark, Trenton is the proper control.  If there is room on the sign for a second control, then signing both for Trenton and Philadelphia would be appropriate until I-195.

It would be interesting to see how this is done once all of the NJTP signs are done.

This is why it makes no sense to me. Few people seriously believe that northbound will ever say anything but NYC.  So, why is having southbound say "Philadelphia" so much of a stretch? Its logical and reciprocal. If the only northbound control city from Philly to NYC is NYC, then the only southbound control city from NYC to Philly should be Philly.

To bring this back to MD... the only two control cities between Baltimore and Washington are Baltimore and Washington. No one would ever think to put Columbia on the list, even though its actually more prominent than Trenton is population-wise (in some regards, anyway).  Now that I-95 is complete, the stretch between Philly and NYC should be similar from a signage standpoint: Philly and NYC. That's it.

Now, we know this isn't going to happen. But I can fantasize.

You make very good points.  I would still say that Philadelphia should not be the control at all until the start of the NJTP (i.e. south of the 80/95 split).  Since the trajectory of 95 between the Bronx and the 80/95 split is largely E/W, it makes sense for the control to not be too far south as a lot of people traveling on 95 SB are also ultimately headed west.  It would be somewhat confusing to see Philadelphia in the Bronx or coming off the GWB in that case.

Once you reach the 95/80 split, the control should be Newark (for continuity purposes until you hit Newark).  South of Newark, there is an argument for signing Philadelphia instead of Trenton. 

Of course, if two controls are permitted you can resolve all of this.  Newark/Philadelphia leads to Trenton/Philadelphia leads to Philadelphia/Wilmington.

But then if having Philly in the Bronx is too soon, why is Trenton not?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
I don't like using Trenton either.  My earlier comment recommends signing Newark as the SB control within the Bronx.  From the Bronx, Newark should be the prime control and Paterson as the second control.  This should be the case until 80/95 split.  At that point, Newark/Philadelphia would be Ok.

Nexus 5X

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on September 03, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
I don't like using Trenton either.  My earlier comment recommends signing Newark as the SB control within the Bronx.  From the Bronx, Newark should be the prime control and Paterson as the second control.  This should be the case until 80/95 split.  At that point, Newark/Philadelphia would be Ok.
I just quickly scanned GSV along I-95 southbound along the CBE and found that the only listed control city, along with the GW Bridge listing, on those signs is Newark.  Whereabouts (and I know such is way OT w/respect to this thread region) are these signs along I-95 in NY that list Trenton?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Steve D on September 04, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 03, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
I don't like using Trenton either.  My earlier comment recommends signing Newark as the SB control within the Bronx.  From the Bronx, Newark should be the prime control and Paterson as the second control.  This should be the case until 80/95 split.  At that point, Newark/Philadelphia would be Ok.
I just quickly scanned GSV along I-95 southbound along the CBE and found that the only listed control city, along with the GW Bridge listing, on those signs is Newark.  Whereabouts (and I know such is way OT w/respect to this thread region) are these signs along I-95 in NY that list Trenton?

On the I-87 ramps that lead to I-95/CBE/GWB.  They don't appear in the latest GSV due to construction but are in some previous views from a couple of years ago.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on September 04, 2020, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Steve D on September 04, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 03, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
I don't like using Trenton either.  My earlier comment recommends signing Newark as the SB control within the Bronx.  From the Bronx, Newark should be the prime control and Paterson as the second control.  This should be the case until 80/95 split.  At that point, Newark/Philadelphia would be Ok.
I just quickly scanned GSV along I-95 southbound along the CBE and found that the only listed control city, along with the GW Bridge listing, on those signs is Newark.  Whereabouts (and I know such is way OT w/respect to this thread region) are these signs along I-95 in NY that list Trenton?

On the I-87 ramps that lead to I-95/CBE/GWB.  They don't appear in the latest GSV due to construction but are in some previous views from a couple of years ago.

FWIW, it looks like Trenton is also used on NY 895/Sheridan Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8344653,-73.8826355,3a,75y,50.43h,88.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smoWQUiV5uRfszWrlZjvJtg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on September 04, 2020, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on September 04, 2020, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Steve D on September 04, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 03, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
I don't like using Trenton either.  My earlier comment recommends signing Newark as the SB control within the Bronx.  From the Bronx, Newark should be the prime control and Paterson as the second control.  This should be the case until 80/95 split.  At that point, Newark/Philadelphia would be Ok.
I just quickly scanned GSV along I-95 southbound along the CBE and found that the only listed control city, along with the GW Bridge listing, on those signs is Newark.  Whereabouts (and I know such is way OT w/respect to this thread region) are these signs along I-95 in NY that list Trenton?

On the I-87 ramps that lead to I-95/CBE/GWB.  They don't appear in the latest GSV due to construction but are in some previous views from a couple of years ago.

FWIW, it looks like Trenton is also used on NY 895/Sheridan Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8344653,-73.8826355,3a,75y,50.43h,88.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smoWQUiV5uRfszWrlZjvJtg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

Right.  The problem is the lack of consistency.  Any sign with room for a control city on I-95 SB in Manhattan or Bronx should put Newark, NJ as the control instead of Trenton.  If Newark is already there (as does exist on some signs in the East Bronx) then great.

The real problem is what happens as you cross the bridge.  That whole stretch from the GWB to 95/80 has few controls and the controls that are listed are the controls for 80 (Hackensack and Paterson).  Newark should be the primary control here and Hackensack should only be used on local lanes that push traffic to 80.  If there is room for two controls use both Newark and Paterson until the 95/80 split.

Then and only then can one begin to think about signing Philadelphia.  (which I agree should be on as many signs as possible from the 95/80 split to Exit 6).  At the 95/80 split there is enough room to replace the control as "Newark/Phila."

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8682709,-74.0037807,3a,75y,212.88h,92.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFRL0gCMhtByXI6f6Kzbocw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on September 08, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 04, 2020, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on September 04, 2020, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Steve D on September 04, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 03, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
I don't like using Trenton either.  My earlier comment recommends signing Newark as the SB control within the Bronx.  From the Bronx, Newark should be the prime control and Paterson as the second control.  This should be the case until 80/95 split.  At that point, Newark/Philadelphia would be Ok.
I just quickly scanned GSV along I-95 southbound along the CBE and found that the only listed control city, along with the GW Bridge listing, on those signs is Newark.  Whereabouts (and I know such is way OT w/respect to this thread region) are these signs along I-95 in NY that list Trenton?



On the I-87 ramps that lead to I-95/CBE/GWB.  They don't appear in the latest GSV due to construction but are in some previous views from a couple of years ago.

FWIW, it looks like Trenton is also used on NY 895/Sheridan Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8344653,-73.8826355,3a,75y,50.43h,88.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smoWQUiV5uRfszWrlZjvJtg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

Right.  The problem is the lack of consistency.  Any sign with room for a control city on I-95 SB in Manhattan or Bronx should put Newark, NJ as the control instead of Trenton.  If Newark is already there (as does exist on some signs in the East Bronx) then great.

The real problem is what happens as you cross the bridge.  That whole stretch from the GWB to 95/80 has few controls and the controls that are listed are the controls for 80 (Hackensack and Paterson).  Newark should be the primary control here and Hackensack should only be used on local lanes that push traffic to 80.  If there is room for two controls use both Newark and Paterson until the 95/80 split.

Then and only then can one begin to think about signing Philadelphia.  (which I agree should be on as many signs as possible from the 95/80 split to Exit 6).  At the 95/80 split there is enough room to replace the control as "Newark/Phila."

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8682709,-74.0037807,3a,75y,212.88h,92.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFRL0gCMhtByXI6f6Kzbocw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
You know what?
Just do Philly on 95 from the GWB.
They already do Albany skipping over Yonkers and White Plains; and New Haven also skipping over Yonkers/Stamford/Norwalk/Bridgeport.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on September 08, 2020, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 08, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 04, 2020, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on September 04, 2020, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Steve D on September 04, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 03, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 02, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
I don't like using Trenton either.  My earlier comment recommends signing Newark as the SB control within the Bronx.  From the Bronx, Newark should be the prime control and Paterson as the second control.  This should be the case until 80/95 split.  At that point, Newark/Philadelphia would be Ok.
I just quickly scanned GSV along I-95 southbound along the CBE and found that the only listed control city, along with the GW Bridge listing, on those signs is Newark.  Whereabouts (and I know such is way OT w/respect to this thread region) are these signs along I-95 in NY that list Trenton?



On the I-87 ramps that lead to I-95/CBE/GWB.  They don't appear in the latest GSV due to construction but are in some previous views from a couple of years ago.

FWIW, it looks like Trenton is also used on NY 895/Sheridan Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8344653,-73.8826355,3a,75y,50.43h,88.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smoWQUiV5uRfszWrlZjvJtg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).

Right.  The problem is the lack of consistency.  Any sign with room for a control city on I-95 SB in Manhattan or Bronx should put Newark, NJ as the control instead of Trenton.  If Newark is already there (as does exist on some signs in the East Bronx) then great.

The real problem is what happens as you cross the bridge.  That whole stretch from the GWB to 95/80 has few controls and the controls that are listed are the controls for 80 (Hackensack and Paterson).  Newark should be the primary control here and Hackensack should only be used on local lanes that push traffic to 80.  If there is room for two controls use both Newark and Paterson until the 95/80 split.

Then and only then can one begin to think about signing Philadelphia.  (which I agree should be on as many signs as possible from the 95/80 split to Exit 6).  At the 95/80 split there is enough room to replace the control as "Newark/Phila."

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8682709,-74.0037807,3a,75y,212.88h,92.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFRL0gCMhtByXI6f6Kzbocw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
You know what?
Just do Philly on 95 from the GWB.
They already do Albany skipping over Yonkers and White Plains; and New Haven also skipping over Yonkers/Stamford/Norwalk/Bridgeport.

I mean, why wouldn't you? 95 NB is signed for NYC in Philly now... the reverse should be true. Newark is part of the NYC metro, it can be signed in addition to Philly (as NJDOT routinely signs another more local destination in concert with NYC on 80 EB).

MDOT SHA signs two cities on 95 pull thrus in Howard County... Washington/Richmond SB, Baltimore/New York NB. So plenty of precedent for multiples. Just need to use the right ones (Philly first before NYC, after Baltimore). Wilmington... eh, it's really part of Philly metro. It could be included north of Baltimore in addition to Philly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WUSA-TV 9 (CBS): 36 truck crashes on Beltway's 'Big Curve' and crews can't figure out how to make it stop
Signs, citations, and warnings have failed to get truckers to slow down at the merge of the Beltway and the I-270 spur. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/traffic/three-dozen-truck-crashes-on-beltways-big-curve-highway-officials-cant-stop-it/65-a45b0402-c344-465d-a9e1-91a5f0984684?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM)

Most of the crashes have been on the Outer Loop of I-495 approaching the sharp left turn to merge with I-270Y (I-270 Spur) - Google Maps here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'47.6%22N+77%C2%B008'54.6%22W/@39.0132191,-77.1506807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7cc3bfabff901:0x50407ec368483348!2sNorth+Bethesda,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.0445535!4d-77.1188678!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0132147!4d-77.1484925?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on September 15, 2020, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS): 36 truck crashes on Beltway's 'Big Curve' and crews can't figure out how to make it stop
Signs, citations, and warnings have failed to get truckers to slow down at the merge of the Beltway and the I-270 spur. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/traffic/three-dozen-truck-crashes-on-beltways-big-curve-highway-officials-cant-stop-it/65-a45b0402-c344-465d-a9e1-91a5f0984684?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM)

Most of the crashes have been on the Outer Loop of I-495 approaching the sharp left turn to merge with I-270Y (I-270 Spur) - Google Maps here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'47.6%22N+77%C2%B008'54.6%22W/@39.0132191,-77.1506807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7cc3bfabff901:0x50407ec368483348!2sNorth+Bethesda,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.0445535!4d-77.1188678!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0132147!4d-77.1484925?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM).
Can't fix stupid.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on September 15, 2020, 11:11:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS): 36 truck crashes on Beltway's 'Big Curve' and crews can't figure out how to make it stop
Signs, citations, and warnings have failed to get truckers to slow down at the merge of the Beltway and the I-270 spur. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/traffic/three-dozen-truck-crashes-on-beltways-big-curve-highway-officials-cant-stop-it/65-a45b0402-c344-465d-a9e1-91a5f0984684?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM)

Most of the crashes have been on the Outer Loop of I-495 approaching the sharp left turn to merge with I-270Y (I-270 Spur) - Google Maps here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'47.6%22N+77%C2%B008'54.6%22W/@39.0132191,-77.1506807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7cc3bfabff901:0x50407ec368483348!2sNorth+Bethesda,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.0445535!4d-77.1188678!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0132147!4d-77.1484925?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM).

While I realize why it is the way it is, I honestly wish we could completely redesign the entire Montgomery County segment. It's easily the most dangerous portion, and not just the big curve. All of it is far from ideal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 16, 2020, 08:40:24 AM
I don't recall this being as big of an issue in the past.  What changed?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on September 16, 2020, 08:57:28 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 16, 2020, 08:40:24 AM
I don't recall this being as big of an issue in the past.  What changed?

I believe it's the drop in traffic volume caused by COVID (which meant that traffic speeds increased).

Quote from: famartin on September 15, 2020, 11:11:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS): 36 truck crashes on Beltway's 'Big Curve' and crews can't figure out how to make it stop
Signs, citations, and warnings have failed to get truckers to slow down at the merge of the Beltway and the I-270 spur. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/traffic/three-dozen-truck-crashes-on-beltways-big-curve-highway-officials-cant-stop-it/65-a45b0402-c344-465d-a9e1-91a5f0984684?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM)

Most of the crashes have been on the Outer Loop of I-495 approaching the sharp left turn to merge with I-270Y (I-270 Spur) - Google Maps here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'47.6%22N+77%C2%B008'54.6%22W/@39.0132191,-77.1506807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7cc3bfabff901:0x50407ec368483348!2sNorth+Bethesda,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.0445535!4d-77.1188678!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0132147!4d-77.1484925?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM).

While I realize why it is the way it is, I honestly wish we could completely redesign the entire Montgomery County segment. It's easily the most dangerous portion, and not just the big curve. All of it is far from ideal.

Couldn't agree more - I've posted about this elsewhere, but it's amazing how different the Montgomery and PG County segments of the beltway are from each other. Feels like 2 entirely different highways.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 16, 2020, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: famartin on September 15, 2020, 11:11:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS): 36 truck crashes on Beltway's 'Big Curve' and crews can't figure out how to make it stop
Signs, citations, and warnings have failed to get truckers to slow down at the merge of the Beltway and the I-270 spur. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/traffic/three-dozen-truck-crashes-on-beltways-big-curve-highway-officials-cant-stop-it/65-a45b0402-c344-465d-a9e1-91a5f0984684?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM)

Most of the crashes have been on the Outer Loop of I-495 approaching the sharp left turn to merge with I-270Y (I-270 Spur) - Google Maps here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'47.6%22N+77%C2%B008'54.6%22W/@39.0132191,-77.1506807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7cc3bfabff901:0x50407ec368483348!2sNorth+Bethesda,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.0445535!4d-77.1188678!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0132147!4d-77.1484925?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM).

While I realize why it is the way it is, I honestly wish we could completely redesign the entire Montgomery County segment. It's easily the most dangerous portion, and not just the big curve. All of it is far from ideal.

Highly unlikely to ever happen. 

I-495 between MD-97 (Exit 31, Georgia Avenue) and MD-355/I-270 (Exits 34 and 35) was mostly built on lands originally purchased as parkland under the federal Capper-Cramton Act (https://www.ncpc.gov/news/item/45/) and now owned by the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission (a state of Maryland agency, the bicounty park agency for Montgomery County and Prince George's County). This part of I-495 was planned and engineered before the USDOT Act was passed and signed into law, including in particular Section 4(f), which greatly restricts federal-aid transportation projects that use federal funding from being built on parkland.   

Note that while there was some parkland taken in vicinity of the junction of I-495 and I-270Y, it was not as much as it was with the section I mention above.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on September 16, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 16, 2020, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: famartin on September 15, 2020, 11:11:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS): 36 truck crashes on Beltway's 'Big Curve' and crews can't figure out how to make it stop
Signs, citations, and warnings have failed to get truckers to slow down at the merge of the Beltway and the I-270 spur. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/traffic/three-dozen-truck-crashes-on-beltways-big-curve-highway-officials-cant-stop-it/65-a45b0402-c344-465d-a9e1-91a5f0984684?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM)

Most of the crashes have been on the Outer Loop of I-495 approaching the sharp left turn to merge with I-270Y (I-270 Spur) - Google Maps here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'47.6%22N+77%C2%B008'54.6%22W/@39.0132191,-77.1506807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7cc3bfabff901:0x50407ec368483348!2sNorth+Bethesda,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.0445535!4d-77.1188678!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0132147!4d-77.1484925?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM).

While I realize why it is the way it is, I honestly wish we could completely redesign the entire Montgomery County segment. It's easily the most dangerous portion, and not just the big curve. All of it is far from ideal.

Highly unlikely to ever happen. 

I-495 between MD-97 (Exit 31, Georgia Avenue) and MD-355/I-270 (Exits 34 and 35) was mostly built on lands originally purchased as parkland under the federal Capper-Cramton Act (https://www.ncpc.gov/news/item/45/) and now owned by the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission (a state of Maryland agency, the bicounty park agency for Montgomery County and Prince George's County). This part of I-495 was planned and engineered before the USDOT Act was passed and signed into law, including in particular Section 4(f), which greatly restricts federal-aid transportation projects that use federal funding from being built on parkland.   

Note that while there was some parkland taken in vicinity of the junction of I-495 and I-270Y, it was not as much as it was with the section I mention above.

I think I implied it in my post, but you are telling me zero information I don't already know.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on September 16, 2020, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: famartin on September 16, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 16, 2020, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: famartin on September 15, 2020, 11:11:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS): 36 truck crashes on Beltway's 'Big Curve' and crews can't figure out how to make it stop
Signs, citations, and warnings have failed to get truckers to slow down at the merge of the Beltway and the I-270 spur. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/traffic/three-dozen-truck-crashes-on-beltways-big-curve-highway-officials-cant-stop-it/65-a45b0402-c344-465d-a9e1-91a5f0984684?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM)

Most of the crashes have been on the Outer Loop of I-495 approaching the sharp left turn to merge with I-270Y (I-270 Spur) - Google Maps here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'47.6%22N+77%C2%B008'54.6%22W/@39.0132191,-77.1506807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b7cc3bfabff901:0x50407ec368483348!2sNorth+Bethesda,+MD!3b1!8m2!3d39.0445535!4d-77.1188678!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0132147!4d-77.1484925?fbclid=IwAR2G8yq5Qtt89q2Gd_5kNNyfrejrmOlVmhGaHC2T7ALlnK89tHYWkHpe9VM).

While I realize why it is the way it is, I honestly wish we could completely redesign the entire Montgomery County segment. It's easily the most dangerous portion, and not just the big curve. All of it is far from ideal.

Highly unlikely to ever happen. 

I-495 between MD-97 (Exit 31, Georgia Avenue) and MD-355/I-270 (Exits 34 and 35) was mostly built on lands originally purchased as parkland under the federal Capper-Cramton Act (https://www.ncpc.gov/news/item/45/) and now owned by the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission (a state of Maryland agency, the bicounty park agency for Montgomery County and Prince George's County). This part of I-495 was planned and engineered before the USDOT Act was passed and signed into law, including in particular Section 4(f), which greatly restricts federal-aid transportation projects that use federal funding from being built on parkland.   

Note that while there was some parkland taken in vicinity of the junction of I-495 and I-270Y, it was not as much as it was with the section I mention above.

I think I implied it in my post, but you are telling me zero information I don't already know.

Would section 4(f) prevent improvements to the existing highway?  It would be nice if the impacts from the curves on the portion west of Georgia could be dealt with.  I always hate traveling that section, especially coming from 270, as I have to make two right hand lane changes through all those curves in order to exit at Georgia, which is the closest exit to my house.

Perhaps these improvements can be made within the scope of the Express Lane project.

[If I am in North Bethesda, I often go past the direct ramps to 270 or 495 from Old Georgetown and Rockville Pike to take the OG ramps to 495 or make the u-turn at Alta Vista on Wisconsin Ave in order to enter the Beltway from the right side, but if I'm coming from further, I just grin and bear it with regard to the lane changes.]
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 16, 2020, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS) ....


Now those are call letters I had not seen nor heard nor thought of for many, many years.



Quote from: froggie on September 16, 2020, 08:40:24 AM
I don't recall this being as big of an issue in the past.  What changed?

I agree with you, it seems to be a bigger problem lately. I suspect that as to 2020 in particular it's a combination of a year with considerably more wet weather than usual (as of the end of August, Reagan Airport had received 35.85" of precipitation this year, compared to the average 26.4" through that point in the year), a lot less traffic than usual, and people driving a lot faster.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on September 16, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
^

Perhaps the only segment of the Beltway that truly warrants a 55 mph speed limit, no excuse anywhere else.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on September 16, 2020, 02:47:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 16, 2020, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS) ....


Now those are call letters I had not seen nor heard nor thought of for many, many years.



Quote from: froggie on September 16, 2020, 08:40:24 AM
I don't recall this being as big of an issue in the past.  What changed?

I agree with you, it seems to be a bigger problem lately. I suspect that as to 2020 in particular it's a combination of a year with considerably more wet weather than usual (as of the end of August, Reagan Airport had received 35.85" of precipitation this year, compared to the average 26.4" through that point in the year), a lot less traffic than usual, and people driving a lot faster.

As another posted, the decrease in traffic due to COVID is the likely cause, resulting in higher average speeds overall. Most fed offices remain on TW so a lot of people are still staying home when they're working.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 16, 2020, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: mrsman on September 16, 2020, 10:08:59 AM
Would section 4(f) prevent improvements to the existing highway?  It would be nice if the impacts from the curves on the portion west of Georgia could be dealt with.  I always hate traveling that section, especially coming from 270, as I have to make two right hand lane changes through all those curves in order to exit at Georgia, which is the closest exit to my house.

The deal that Maryland committed to with the federal government when it widened I-495 from MD-97 to the American Legion Bridge to make it 8 lanes total in the 1980's was that it would not be further widened.  I am not sure that they took any land for that - it was widened mostly by removing the median.  If it was to be widened further (outward), then Section 4(f) (and the Capper-Cramton Act) would apply.

Quote from: mrsman on September 16, 2020, 10:08:59 AM
Perhaps these improvements can be made within the scope of the Express Lane project.

The current P3 project has dropped the section between MD-355 and I-95 due to objections from NIMBYs and the federal government.

Quote from: mrsman on September 16, 2020, 10:08:59 AM
[If I am in North Bethesda, I often go past the direct ramps to 270 or 495 from Old Georgetown and Rockville Pike to take the OG ramps to 495 or make the u-turn at Alta Vista on Wisconsin Ave in order to enter the Beltway from the right side, but if I'm coming from further, I just grin and bear it with regard to the lane changes.]

It can be hard to get over to the right there - years ago I lived off of U.S. 29 (one exit east beyond MD-97), and it was sometimes difficult to get to the right lane.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 16, 2020, 06:51:11 PM
It would be important to know when the crashes are happening. If they're rolling over at 8am, working from home is an excuse.  At 2am, it's not.

I happened to be passing by one of these crashes one rainy night, and rainy weather this year is suspicion for many of these crashes.

A good analysis by someone who actually cares can help reveal the times and the weather that was occurring at the time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on September 16, 2020, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 16, 2020, 06:51:11 PM
It would be important to know when the crashes are happening. If they're rolling over at 8am, working from home is an excuse.  At 2am, it's not.

I happened to be passing by one of these crashes one rainy night, and rainy weather this year is suspicion for many of these crashes.

A good analysis by someone who actually cares can help reveal the times and the weather that was occurring at the time.

It's hard to buy the rain excuse when 2018 was far wetter.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 16, 2020, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 16, 2020, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
WDVM-TV 9 (CBS) ....


Now those are call letters I had not seen nor heard nor thought of for many, many years.

I suppose I could have written WTOP-TV 9 instead!

Corrected. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter:
(https://i.imgur.com/qhGvzEP.jpeg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on September 29, 2020, 08:48:18 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter:
(https://i.imgur.com/qhGvzEP.jpeg)

Did they remove it, or was it knocked down accidentally?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on September 29, 2020, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter and now it is on my wall
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: dlsterner on September 30, 2020, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter:
(https://i.imgur.com/qhGvzEP.jpeg)

So is it now yours?   :bigass:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Verlanka on September 30, 2020, 05:54:10 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on September 30, 2020, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter:
image cropped

So is it now yours?   :bigass:
Quote from: Alps on September 29, 2020, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter and now it is on my wall
Hint: read the red text. ;-)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 05, 2020, 12:59:43 PM
Quote from: BrianP on June 10, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
A drive through of the not yet open exit 12:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MontgomeryCountyMD/comments/h09qpq/driving_the_new_watkins_mill_interchange_bridge/

Now it is expected to open tomorrow.

It's interesting how two of the signals use mast arms and the third uses wire hung.

Aside: The signal at MD 118 and Middlebrook Road is being changed from wire hung to mast arm.
I saw that the temporary signals have been replaced already with the permanent mast arm signals.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: DeaconG on October 06, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: Verlanka on September 30, 2020, 05:54:10 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on September 30, 2020, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter:
image cropped

So is it now yours?   :bigass:
Quote from: Alps on September 29, 2020, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter and now it is on my wall
Hint: read the red text. ;-)
Finders Keepers, baby! Nice save!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on October 07, 2020, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on September 30, 2020, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 29, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Back in June, the State Highway Administration removed the sign for MD 132 and US 40 on APG Road at the turn just before the traffic signal. On Sunday of last week, I was walking toward the pedestrian bridge over the Northeast Region and saw it lying on the ground behind the bus shelter:
(https://i.imgur.com/qhGvzEP.jpeg)

So is it now yours?   :bigass:
No, I didn't take the chance.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on October 09, 2020, 11:09:50 PM
This might be the last time I have taken a picture of these signs in Aberdeen, as the traffic signal is being replaced:
(https://i.imgur.com/96NDqzq.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on October 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
I swear the signs on I-68 are older than other interstate signage across the state (except east of Cumberland). I wouldn't be surprised if some signs were there when this was US 48 or at least date to the 1991 redesignation; it seems MD hasn't done button copy in ages, so I guess smaller text is my intuition that the signs are old.

And like any old alignment there's a surprising amount of remnants when MD 144/old US 40 was the main road. None of the divided highway segments have been removed (ex. east of exit 46/47 (US 220)) and there's businesses like a rusting US 40 Motel thing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6766837,-78.7077641,3a,15y,65.03h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smq1TfYWtTUrmDvl6Fo08Zg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) dating to the glory days. Also notable is a lookout on old US 40 near Sideling Hill, where the signage and structures definitely date to pre-1985.

This was inspired on a trip to Mt. Davis in PA for fall foliage, where I took a mix of MD 144/US 40 Alt and I-68. I've now covered most of 144 between Hancock and Cumberland, and bits of 40 Alt west of Frostburg (most notably the Casselman River Bridge).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on October 11, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
I swear the signs on I-68 are older than other interstate signage across the state (except east of Cumberland). I wouldn't be surprised if some signs were there when this was US 48 or at least date to the 1991 redesignation; it seems MD hasn't done button copy in ages, so I guess smaller text is my intuition that the signs are old.

Maryland is all over the place with text sizing on its BGS. That doesn't really have anything to do with the age of the sign.

SHA has done a full overhaul of brown attraction signage along I-68 in the past 18 months or so. There was also recently a major sign replacement near Cumberland that included replacing overhead sign bridges. I travel the full length of the route several times a year and am hard pressed to think of anything left now that looks really dated or in need of replacement.

Quote from: noelbotevera on October 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
Also notable is a lookout on old US 40 near Sideling Hill, where the signage and structures definitely date to pre-1985.

Scenic 40 over Sideling Hill is a county-maintained route. Washington County is responsible for those signs, not SHA. County route signage quality in Maryland is often variable, especially in rural areas.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 12, 2020, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 11, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
I swear the signs on I-68 are older than other interstate signage across the state (except east of Cumberland). I wouldn't be surprised if some signs were there when this was US 48 or at least date to the 1991 redesignation; it seems MD hasn't done button copy in ages, so I guess smaller text is my intuition that the signs are old.

Maryland is all over the place with text sizing on its BGS. That doesn't really have anything to do with the age of the sign.

SHA has done a full overhaul of brown attraction signage along I-68 in the past 18 months or so. There was also recently a major sign replacement near Cumberland that included replacing overhead sign bridges. I travel the full length of the route several times a year and am hard pressed to think of anything left now that looks really dated or in need of replacement.

Quote from: noelbotevera on October 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
Also notable is a lookout on old US 40 near Sideling Hill, where the signage and structures definitely date to pre-1985.

Scenic 40 over Sideling Hill is a county-maintained route. Washington County is responsible for those signs, not SHA. County route signage quality in Maryland is often variable, especially in rural areas.


Think there is one BGS sign EB near Exit 19 without an exit number, almost from when it wasn't an Interstate.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on October 13, 2020, 12:24:01 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 12, 2020, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 11, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
I swear the signs on I-68 are older than other interstate signage across the state (except east of Cumberland). I wouldn't be surprised if some signs were there when this was US 48 or at least date to the 1991 redesignation; it seems MD hasn't done button copy in ages, so I guess smaller text is my intuition that the signs are old.

Maryland is all over the place with text sizing on its BGS. That doesn't really have anything to do with the age of the sign.

SHA has done a full overhaul of brown attraction signage along I-68 in the past 18 months or so. There was also recently a major sign replacement near Cumberland that included replacing overhead sign bridges. I travel the full length of the route several times a year and am hard pressed to think of anything left now that looks really dated or in need of replacement.

Quote from: noelbotevera on October 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
Also notable is a lookout on old US 40 near Sideling Hill, where the signage and structures definitely date to pre-1985.

Scenic 40 over Sideling Hill is a county-maintained route. Washington County is responsible for those signs, not SHA. County route signage quality in Maryland is often variable, especially in rural areas.


Think there is one BGS sign EB near Exit 19 without an exit number, almost from when it wasn't an Interstate.

Yes, the 1-mile sign eastbound for MD 495 lacks an exit tab. The rest of the sequence has them, and the legend of the sign is just "1 Mile" rather than "Exit 1 Mile" so it's clear this one was intended to have the exit tab as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 13, 2020, 08:11:07 PM
So a project is starting to improve the intersection of White Marsh Blvd and Honeygo Blvd just off I-95 in the Baltimore area.  Right now, the light is subject to significant congestion due to the shopping center.  The project includes third left turn lanes in two approaches.

Sadly, they are not putting in an interchange like they did just off I-95 in Bel Air.  To me, an interchange is sorely needed.

https://mdot-sha-md43-intrs-at-honeygo-blvd-ba9035176-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 13, 2020, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 13, 2020, 08:11:07 PM
So a project is starting to improve the intersection of White Marsh Blvd and Honeygo Blvd just off I-95 in the Baltimore area.  Right now, the light is subject to significant congestion due to the shopping center.  The project includes third left turn lanes in two approaches.

Sadly, they are not putting in an interchange like they did just off I-95 in Bel Air.  To me, an interchange is sorely needed.

https://mdot-sha-md43-intrs-at-honeygo-blvd-ba9035176-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/

All of MD 43 between I-695 and I-95 needs to be fully grade separated, and the roadway itself upgraded with proper outside shoulders. It has outgrown its original intended purpose and needs to be equipped with the road features needed for traffic to flow properly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on October 14, 2020, 12:07:13 PM
Three things complicating an interchange at 43/Honeygo:


#1 means you either need all the ramps on the west side of Honeygo, or you'd need a complex and costly bridged ramp solution.
#2 means any ramps in the northwest corner would require right-of-way acquisition.
#3 all but guarantees that 43 would have to be bridged over Honeygo.  It would also complicate ramp placement along eastbound 43.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 28, 2020, 09:06:14 PM
Looks like the viaduct north of the Harbor Tunnel is getting closer to completion.  Traffic will be shifted back onto the southbound side (newly completed) so final work can be finished on the northbound side.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/upcoming-bridge-traffic-switch-moves-895bmore-replacement
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 29, 2020, 12:35:55 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 28, 2020, 09:06:14 PM
Looks like the viaduct north of the Harbor Tunnel is getting closer to completion.  Traffic will be shifted back onto the southbound side (newly completed) so final work can be finished on the northbound side.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/upcoming-bridge-traffic-switch-moves-895bmore-replacement

For the few that care, the reconstructed ramp from I-895 northbound to Holabird Avenue will also be closed while all I-895 traffic is using (what will be) the southbound side of the reconstructed Canton Viaduct.

More details from the MDTA via MDOT: UPCOMING BRIDGE TRAFFIC SWITCH MOVES #895BMORE REPLACEMENT PROJECT CLOSER TO COMPLETION Maryland Department of Transportation sent this bulletin at 10/28/2020 09:05 AM EDT (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/MDDOT/bulletins/2a82e3b?fbclid=IwAR2t5gNv-BWplg7spEh_PR5JWecfn_R-VLOBjZGHGWd8_Z11lhTK99CFnQ0)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on November 05, 2020, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 13, 2020, 12:24:01 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 12, 2020, 11:18:53 PM

Think there is one BGS sign EB near Exit 19 without an exit number, almost from when it wasn't an Interstate.

Yes, the 1-mile sign eastbound for MD 495 lacks an exit tab. The rest of the sequence has them, and the legend of the sign is just "1 Mile" rather than "Exit 1 Mile" so it's clear this one was intended to have the exit tab as well.

I contacted SHA about the missing tab. They said they looked through their records and couldn't find that the sign ever did have a tab, although they acknowledged it is non-standard and should. They said they will fix it at some point in the future, but that they can't right now because their sign budget got cut.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 06, 2020, 12:33:05 AM
WTOP Radio: "˜Disaster': Prince George's Co. leader decries latest delay for decadeslong road project (https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2020/11/disaster-prince-georges-co-leader-decries-latest-delay-for-decadeslong-road-project/)

QuoteThe intersection of Maryland Route 4 (Pennsylvania Avenue) at the Suitland Parkway is plagued by traffic congestion that only promises to worsen with added area development.

Quote"This has been a disaster,"  Prince George's County Councilman Derrick L. Davis said of the project, pausing between each syllable of the word "disaster"  for added emphasis.

QuoteDavis said the project concept extends back to March 1996. It moved through environmental assessment in 2000, planning was done in 2004, design plans completed in 2007, and construction was scheduled to start in 2008. The new intersection was supposed to be ready for traffic by 2011.

QuoteThe timeline for completion now is projected to be the fall of 2023, according to the Maryland Department of Transportation's State Highway Administration website that said the project is 30% done.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 07, 2020, 06:28:42 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on October 09, 2020, 11:09:50 PM
This might be the last time I have taken a picture of these signs in Aberdeen, as the traffic signal is being replaced:
(https://i.imgur.com/96NDqzq.jpg)
As of yesterday the span wires are gone and the mast arms are operational.
(https://i.imgur.com/EPRY9nf.jpeg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on November 07, 2020, 08:34:58 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 14, 2020, 12:07:13 PM
Three things complicating an interchange at 43/Honeygo:


  • Proximity to the 43/95 interchange
  • Proximity of Marissa Ct
  • The high tension power lines along the south side of 43 there

#1 means you either need all the ramps on the west side of Honeygo, or you'd need a complex and costly bridged ramp solution.
#2 means any ramps in the northwest corner would require right-of-way acquisition.
#3 all but guarantees that 43 would have to be bridged over Honeygo.  It would also complicate ramp placement along eastbound 43.


Perhaps an interchange like US 29 and Rio Rd in Charlottesville would work here with MD 43 using bridges and the through lanes being on the outside instead of inside, so that the I-95 interchange can be reached from Honeygo without weaving.  Can even be done this way with Honeygo having just 1 signal in the interchange.

Not sure if there is enough ROW between the power lines and the residential areas to do this either.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on December 16, 2020, 03:31:24 PM
I was watching a video on YouTube of The Weather Channel's coverage of severe weather in the Mid-Atlantic in 2001, and on a map of the Washington, DC area they had I-595 marked:
(https://i.imgur.com/dLr5ke3.jpeg)
Google Maps also acknowledges it, although it's unmarked.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on December 17, 2020, 02:50:02 PM
What's up with the abandoned roads in Leakin Park?

Wetheredsville Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3173277,-76.6992114,3a,73y,86.29h,81.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipM14qiG7V3Jgtl_3P09t97TiC4N9JmV_fE4LXnu!2e10!3e11!7i5504!8i2752) was cut off at this point. It paralleled Gwynns Falls down to Franklintown Road; the intersection with Windsor Mills Road remains intact (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3124897,-76.6903001,3a,75y,114.76h,72.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNv3Cpzj-9hPQQKlJ6-h8zw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

The same story can be made for Hutton Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3079273,-76.6891631,3a,75y,322.93h,83.56t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNKkG54kV7SWxypojpim4cH2c6SKYxSEG0eUxzu!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNKkG54kV7SWxypojpim4cH2c6SKYxSEG0eUxzu%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi1.7132921-ya122.23588-ro2.2089157-fo100!7i5120!8i2560) (this is its abandoned intersection with Wetheredsville), Chesholm Road (plus an abandoned sign) (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3088689,-76.6844711,3a,75y,67.94h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipM9WthnqKjAJp1HGBIUW0Uxv_HE6gkjOf51GxJf!2e10!7i5504!8i2752) and Holly Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3116816,-76.6842393,3a,75y,211.67h,86.68t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipO76PMYOQTMp7Cm9Xq7IJbole2u_AJdNmbE77CG!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipO76PMYOQTMp7Cm9Xq7IJbole2u_AJdNmbE77CG%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0.10651601-ya128.98895-ro-3.1633813-fo100!7i5504!8i275). I don't think this has to do with crime in Leakin Park, because most body dumping occurs along Windsor Mills and Franklintown Roads. Perhaps it relates to preparing to build I-70?

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 18, 2020, 03:01:46 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 17, 2020, 02:50:02 PM
What's up with the abandoned roads in Leakin Park?

Wetheredsville Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3173277,-76.6992114,3a,73y,86.29h,81.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipM14qiG7V3Jgtl_3P09t97TiC4N9JmV_fE4LXnu!2e10!3e11!7i5504!8i2752) was cut off at this point. It paralleled Gwynns Falls down to Franklintown Road; the intersection with Windsor Mills Road remains intact (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3124897,-76.6903001,3a,75y,114.76h,72.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNv3Cpzj-9hPQQKlJ6-h8zw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

The same story can be made for Hutton Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3079273,-76.6891631,3a,75y,322.93h,83.56t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNKkG54kV7SWxypojpim4cH2c6SKYxSEG0eUxzu!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNKkG54kV7SWxypojpim4cH2c6SKYxSEG0eUxzu%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi1.7132921-ya122.23588-ro2.2089157-fo100!7i5120!8i2560) (this is its abandoned intersection with Wetheredsville), Chesholm Road (plus an abandoned sign) (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3088689,-76.6844711,3a,75y,67.94h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipM9WthnqKjAJp1HGBIUW0Uxv_HE6gkjOf51GxJf!2e10!7i5504!8i2752) and Holly Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3116816,-76.6842393,3a,75y,211.67h,86.68t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipO76PMYOQTMp7Cm9Xq7IJbole2u_AJdNmbE77CG!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipO76PMYOQTMp7Cm9Xq7IJbole2u_AJdNmbE77CG%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0.10651601-ya128.98895-ro-3.1633813-fo100!7i5504!8i275). I don't think this has to do with crime in Leakin Park, because most body dumping occurs along Windsor Mills and Franklintown Roads. Perhaps it relates to preparing to build I-70?

My guess is that Baltimore City does not have the dollars to maintain them, and decided to close them to all traffic instead. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on December 31, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Who here has seen the MD 210 construction at Kerby Hill/Livingston? Been going a bit slow, but the bridge is getting in place. Mesmerizing how sound walls have been underway since 2017.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 10, 2021, 11:19:52 AM
In the event that Doug Kerr is reading this, where along US 301 in Maryland was this image taken?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4133049903/



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on January 10, 2021, 12:16:36 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 10, 2021, 11:19:52 AM
In the event that Doug Kerr is reading this, where along US 301 in Maryland was this image taken?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4133049903/


Looks like the northbound lanes on the Eastern Shore just shy of Route 304. Note the interchange there is reasonably new and was likely built more recently than the picture was taken, seeing as how the photo is dated March 2005. Maryland didn't have many roundabouts then and the interchange with Route 304 has two of them, which indicates it's more recent construction.

I would guess it was roughly here. If you click up the exit ramp, you'll see a park-and-ride logo on an LGS under the sign for westbound Route 304, then a brown sign further up the ramp.

https://goo.gl/maps/kVPsVdQ14rQpPdMR7

Edited to add: The park-and-ride appears to be a very small lot on Tidewater Drive on the northwestern side of that interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 14, 2021, 07:52:08 AM
A Redditor posted this painting of highway signs in the Columbia area from last year: https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/kwmqfi/my_covid_project_from_mayoctober_2020_acrylic_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on January 24, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
Is this the last known example of this style of Maryland state route marker in the field?

This is former MD 211 at MD 501 in Chillum -  https://goo.gl/maps/QcPk6UmsMwmfB5dP7

There were 3 others I knew of that made it to the GMSV era -
MD 3 leaving MD 450 - https://goo.gl/maps/ibiwZV3p8ASrfBCh9
MD 49 from its former east end in Cumberland - https://goo.gl/maps/Fjg9YmpFsuSYQzPQ7
MD 355 from MD 144 EB - https://goo.gl/maps/jK5RYVs785HV3z6r6

Through Mike Pruitt's site I am aware of at least 3 more that made it to GMSV -
MD 500 from MD 501 -  https://goo.gl/maps/m9QucDxvTnRxRA9y5
501 EB leaving 211 - https://goo.gl/maps/TjLAnogW2TaQyMT88
501 WB leaving 211 - https://goo.gl/maps/e7e3RdxoZEaFVX6E8

I can think of two others I've seen but did not make it to GMSV...a MD 85 shield in Frederick and a MD 223 shield at its south end.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on January 24, 2021, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 24, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
Is this the last known example of this style of Maryland state route marker in the field?

This is former MD 211 at MD 501 in Chillum -  https://goo.gl/maps/QcPk6UmsMwmfB5dP7

There were 3 others I knew of that made it to the GMSV era -
MD 3 leaving MD 450 - https://goo.gl/maps/ibiwZV3p8ASrfBCh9
MD 49 from its former east end in Cumberland - https://goo.gl/maps/Fjg9YmpFsuSYQzPQ7
MD 355 from MD 144 EB - https://goo.gl/maps/jK5RYVs785HV3z6r6

Through Mike Pruitt's site I am aware of at least 3 more that made it to GMSV -
MD 500 from MD 501 -  https://goo.gl/maps/m9QucDxvTnRxRA9y5
501 EB leaving 211 - https://goo.gl/maps/TjLAnogW2TaQyMT88
501 WB leaving 211 - https://goo.gl/maps/e7e3RdxoZEaFVX6E8

I can think of two others I've seen but did not make it to GMSV...a MD 85 shield in Frederick and a MD 223 shield at its south end.
There are a few hanging on in Baltimore, I believe.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 24, 2021, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 24, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
Is this the last known example of this style of Maryland state route marker in the field?

This is former MD 211 at MD 501 in Chillum -  https://goo.gl/maps/QcPk6UmsMwmfB5dP7

These date to the 1960's.  Many were installed as part of new freeway interchanges such as the Capital Beltway.  Most have been gone for a long time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on January 25, 2021, 11:54:52 AM
Here's one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1762175,-77.2688519,3a,75y,306.3h,76.57t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5lIcWA4FNVtOHNDGxbnlBw!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i16384!8i8192) that still stands for MD 118 north.  You can see the south sign in the older streetview images. It's from about the late 90's when the new 118 alignment was completed.

Interestingly coming from the opposite direction you see a old 2-digit 118 sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1776422,-77.2714647,3a,75y,134.64h,66.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shcrHxVsr7CeoM3T1LV9AGQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

Here's one for MD 27 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2056314,-77.2428778,3a,75y,52.11h,85.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAN8pkf5hz3FFib2WwfwjVw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

I remember seeing more of the black border route shields in the early aughts that seemed to be recent installs.  But many are gone.  I'll keep an eye out for more.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on January 25, 2021, 12:22:09 PM
Not talking about that type of black border signs, of which there are plenty.

Talking about the black border signs without the word Maryland and would be square for a 3-digit route.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on January 26, 2021, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 25, 2021, 12:22:09 PM
Not talking about that type of black border signs, of which there are plenty.

Talking about the black border signs without the word Maryland and would be square for a 3-digit route.
The ones that I knew of have been being replaced over the years.  So they don't seem to be plenty anymore.  Were they even in widespread use?  How about other areas of the state?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 26, 2021, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: BrianP on January 26, 2021, 12:03:29 PM
Were they even in widespread use?  How about other areas of the state?

They were once quite common as Interstates opened in the 1960's.  I am speaking of I-495, I-695, and I-95 (JFK Highway toll road section).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 30, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
MDTA is holding a public meeting about the northern extension of I-95's express toll lanes into Harford County. The extension will reach the Bynum Run bridge between MD 24 and MD 543.The project will also include improvements along MD 24 up to Singer Road. Here are the meeting materials:
https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf (https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2021, 10:39:37 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 30, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
MDTA is holding a public meeting about the northern extension of I-95's express toll lanes into Harford County. The extension will reach the Bynum Run bridge between MD 24 and MD 543.The project will also include improvements along MD 24 up to Singer Road. Here are the meeting materials:
https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf (https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf)

I-95/MD 24 has got to be the most frequently reconstructed interchange in the state. 

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2021, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2021, 10:39:37 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 30, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
MDTA is holding a public meeting about the northern extension of I-95's express toll lanes into Harford County. The extension will reach the Bynum Run bridge between MD 24 and MD 543.The project will also include improvements along MD 24 up to Singer Road. Here are the meeting materials:
https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf (https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf)

I-95/MD 24 has got to be the most frequently reconstructed interchange in the state.

And this latest iteration is rather unusual, and I wouldn't be surprised if it has to be altered again when the next stage of the ETLs is designed. Hopefully it will have pedestrian and/or cyclist facilities of some sort, so that people can get across I-95 safely.

The plans don't make it clear though if both ETL carriage ways are being built at the interchange or if only the northbound ETL carriage way is being built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on January 30, 2021, 03:41:05 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2021, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2021, 10:39:37 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 30, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
MDTA is holding a public meeting about the northern extension of I-95's express toll lanes into Harford County. The extension will reach the Bynum Run bridge between MD 24 and MD 543.The project will also include improvements along MD 24 up to Singer Road. Here are the meeting materials:
https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf (https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf)

I-95/MD 24 has got to be the most frequently reconstructed interchange in the state.

And this latest iteration is rather unusual, and I wouldn't be surprised if it has to be altered again when the next stage of the ETLs is designed. Hopefully it will have pedestrian and/or cyclist facilities of some sort, so that people can get across I-95 safely.

The plans don't make it clear though if both ETL carriage ways are being built at the interchange or if only the northbound ETL carriage way is being built.

It almost looks as if they're leaving themselves space for building the SB ones at a later date, but getting as much done and out of the way now as they can. The new MD 24 bridge has the space for shifting the SB I-95 mainline northward to make room for an extra two lanes, and they've got the SB express entrance written in but unopened, similar to the ramps at MD 43. In the meantime, I'm assuming the hashed purple fill is just pavement reconstruction.

I'm a bit surprised though, didn't they say they were only building one northbound express lane for now?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 30, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on January 30, 2021, 03:41:05 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 30, 2021, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2021, 10:39:37 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 30, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
MDTA is holding a public meeting about the northern extension of I-95's express toll lanes into Harford County. The extension will reach the Bynum Run bridge between MD 24 and MD 543.The project will also include improvements along MD 24 up to Singer Road. Here are the meeting materials:
https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf (https://mdta.maryland.gov/sites/default/files/Files/I95ETLNB/2021-020421_MD24-924%20Virtual%20Meeting.pdf)

I-95/MD 24 has got to be the most frequently reconstructed interchange in the state.

And this latest iteration is rather unusual, and I wouldn't be surprised if it has to be altered again when the next stage of the ETLs is designed. Hopefully it will have pedestrian and/or cyclist facilities of some sort, so that people can get across I-95 safely.

The plans don't make it clear though if both ETL carriage ways are being built at the interchange or if only the northbound ETL carriage way is being built.

It almost looks as if they're leaving themselves space for building the SB ones at a later date, but getting as much done and out of the way now as they can. The new MD 24 bridge has the space for shifting the SB I-95 mainline northward to make room for an extra two lanes, and they've got the SB express entrance written in but unopened, similar to the ramps at MD 43. In the meantime, I'm assuming the hashed purple fill is just pavement reconstruction.

I'm a bit surprised though, didn't they say they were only building one northbound express lane for now?
That's what I've heard as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 31, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
Hey, to what extent does the State Highway Administration plow roads in its inventory? I just saw a snowplow driver past my place in Aberdeen on MD 22 that was operated by a private company. This is right at the APG gate and my road is taken care of by municipal trucks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 01, 2021, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 31, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
Hey, to what extent does the State Highway Administration plow roads in its inventory? I just saw a snowplow driver past my place in Aberdeen on MD 22 that was operated by a private company. This is right at the APG gate and my road is taken care of by municipal trucks.

MDOT/SHA uses many contractor plows and drivers on its entire system statewide.  Sometimes with one SHA truck leading a plow line, but not always (since SHA  has relatively few dump trucks with tandem drive axles, but most of the contractor trucks have tandem drives and some have "extra" drop axles).

According to the 2018 Highway Location Reference for Harford County, MD-22 (Aberdeen Thruway) is state-maintained almost up to the gate into APG - SHA maintenance ends at E Bel Air Avenue/Research Boulevard, about a block before the gate.  So it may be that the contractor truck you observed was working for SHA (in general, in Maryland, the state maintains roads with route numbers even within corporate limits of municipalities, though there are exceptions [the big one being Baltimore City where SHA maintains no roads or streets]).

Compare and contrast with the MDTA, which almost never uses contractor trucks for plowing, salting and sanding of its roads (that would include all of I-95 from Baltimore City to the Delaware line, all of I-395, I-895/I-895B/I-895A, MD-200, I-695 [really MD-695 but signed as I-695 crossing the FSK Bridge and long approach sections on both sides], U.S. 50/U.S. 301 crossing the WPL (Chesapeake Bay) Bridge, U.S. 40 crossing the Hatem Bridge and U.S. 301 crossing the HWN Bridge over the Potomac River.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cb98 on February 01, 2021, 02:36:44 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 24, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
Is this the last known example of this style of Maryland state route marker in the field?

This is former MD 211 at MD 501 in Chillum -  https://goo.gl/maps/QcPk6UmsMwmfB5dP7

Drove by this on Friday, the MD 501 marker and the leftover MD 211 marker (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9692359,-76.984156,3a,15.7y,194.73h,91.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snqQNaggEkcM3MFYGkrLgmA!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192) just south of MD 212 are both still there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on February 03, 2021, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 01, 2021, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 31, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
Hey, to what extent does the State Highway Administration plow roads in its inventory? I just saw a snowplow driver past my place in Aberdeen on MD 22 that was operated by a private company. This is right at the APG gate and my road is taken care of by municipal trucks.

MDOT/SHA uses many contractor plows and drivers on its entire system statewide.  Sometimes with one SHA truck leading a plow line, but not always (since SHA  has relatively few dump trucks with tandem drive axles, but most of the contractor trucks have tandem drives and some have "extra" drop axles).

At least on I-68, most of the plow trucks you see are contractors rather than SHA. My experience, at least in Garrett County, is that the plows on 2-lane roads are normally SHA, and they're often beefier plow rigs with things like hydraulically controlled side-wing plows for also getting shoulders. The contractors normally just seem to have a single blade mounted on front of their trucks.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 03, 2021, 12:28:26 PM
My general experience when I lived there a decade ago is that a majority of drivers doing the plowing in the DC area, both for SHA *AND* VDOT, were contractors instead of state employees.  I don't recall what the situation was for DDOT.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 03, 2021, 06:04:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 03, 2021, 12:28:26 PM
My general experience when I lived there a decade ago is that a majority of drivers doing the plowing in the DC area, both for SHA *AND* VDOT, were contractors instead of state employees.  I don't recall what the situation was for DDOT.

VDOT has used contractors only for Interstate maintenance since about 2007 or 2008.

They use a combination of contractors and VDOT equipment for non-Interstate roads.

MDOT/SHA uses a combination of state and contractor equipment for state-maintained roads except those that are toll maintenance.

MDTA uses in-house equipment and personnel for its roads.

DDOT uses a combination of in-house and contractor equipment.

NPS uses in-house equipment and personnel for its parkways.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on February 05, 2021, 11:40:24 AM
Last night I logged on to the virtual public meeting hosted by MDTA regarding the construction of the MD 24 auxiliary lane between I-95 and north of Singer Road as part of the I-95 ETL northbound extension. These are the notes I took:

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on February 08, 2021, 11:13:46 PM
Our next installment in the "Virtual Tour" series is scheduled to take place on Saturday (2/13) at 6 PM ET. Come join me and members of the AARoads community as we profile Corridor E of the Appalachian Development Highway System (Interstate 68) and discuss the history and features of this highway all while enjoying a real-time video trip along the length of the highway between Morgantown, WV and Hancock, MD.

A link to the event location can be found below and we look forward to seeing you in attendance:

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 14, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
From MDOT SHA: MDOT SHA COMPLETES I-81 BRIDGE PROJECT AT MARYLAND/WEST VIRGINIA LINE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=3821&PageId=818)

For the record, for those that have watched roadwaywiz's Virtual Tour of I-68 (ADHS Corridor E), this is tempting me to go to Cumberland, MD, next weekend to finish WV 9 and do MD 51 after driving the new bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on February 14, 2021, 06:18:42 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on February 14, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
From MDOT SHA: MDOT SHA COMPLETES I-81 BRIDGE PROJECT AT MARYLAND/WEST VIRGINIA LINE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=3821&PageId=818)

For the record, for those that have watched roadwaywiz's Virtual Tour of I-68 (ADHS Corridor E), this is tempting me to go to Cumberland, MD, next weekend to finish WV 9 and do MD 51 after driving the new bridge.
Good, but is it 6 lanes? Last I recall, WV has their section up to 6 lanes between the MD line and Martinsburg - with construction south of there.

Interested in how they'll tackle the I-70 interchange because it is a mess.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 14, 2021, 06:31:35 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 14, 2021, 06:18:42 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on February 14, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
From MDOT SHA: MDOT SHA COMPLETES I-81 BRIDGE PROJECT AT MARYLAND/WEST VIRGINIA LINE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=3821&PageId=818)

For the record, for those that have watched roadwaywiz's Virtual Tour of I-68 (ADHS Corridor E), this is tempting me to go to Cumberland, MD, next weekend to finish WV 9 and do MD 51 after driving the new bridge.
Good, but is it 6 lanes? Last I recall, WV has their section up to 6 lanes between the MD line and Martinsburg - with construction south of there.

Interested in how they'll tackle the I-70 interchange because it is a mess.

Yes it is 6 lanes up to Exit 1 in MD (MD 63/MD 68) now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 19, 2021, 06:57:53 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 14, 2021, 06:18:42 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on February 14, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
From MDOT SHA: MDOT SHA COMPLETES I-81 BRIDGE PROJECT AT MARYLAND/WEST VIRGINIA LINE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=3821&PageId=818)

For the record, for those that have watched roadwaywiz's Virtual Tour of I-68 (ADHS Corridor E), this is tempting me to go to Cumberland, MD, next weekend to finish WV 9 and do MD 51 after driving the new bridge.

Good, but is it 6 lanes? Last I recall, WV has their section up to 6 lanes between the MD line and Martinsburg - with construction south of there.

Interested in how they'll tackle the I-70 interchange because it is a mess.

My expectation is that two of the highest-utilized loop ramps will be replaced with flyovers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 21, 2021, 11:58:36 PM
^ More likely, they'll convert the highest-utilized loop and its reciprocal into flyovers.  That would eliminate the need for weaving and C/D roads.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on February 22, 2021, 09:34:24 AM
It's doubtful that anything is done to that interchange.  Since they recently rehabbed replaced the superstructure of the bridges in the interchange.  The worst part is they didn't improve them.  So they are still substandard due to a lack of shoulders.  I would have combined the two bridges in each direction to add space for at least some kind of increase in shoulder width or even combine all four bridges into one bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 22, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Which 2 loop ramps have the highest ADT
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dirt Roads on February 22, 2021, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 14, 2021, 06:18:42 PM
Interested in how they'll tackle the I-70 interchange because it is a mess.

Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 19, 2021, 06:57:53 PM
My expectation is that two of the highest-utilized loop ramps will be replaced with flyovers.

Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 22, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Which 2 loop ramps have the highest ADT

Don't know if it is the highest ADT loop ramp, but the ramp from northbound I-81 to westbound I-70 carries a significant portion of Northwest Virginia traffic towards Cumberland, Morgantown and Pittsburgh (and perhaps other points southwest).  I've always preferred VA-37 to US-522 (or my favorite VA-37 to VA/WV-127 to WV-29 to WV-9/MD-51).  A flyover for this ramp would be highly justified.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mcmc on February 23, 2021, 08:26:26 PM
About a year ago, the cloverleaf loop from US 29 northbound to MD-175/Little Patuxent Parkway westbound was closed and replaced with a partial cloverleaf, with a traffic light at the end of the ramp. This is in Columbia.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why SHA would want to make the interchange less elegant and (seemingly) less efficient. Anyone have any idea what the logic is?

US 29 at MD-175 on Google Maps:
https://www.google.com/maps/search/us+29+at+md+175/@39.2260909,-76.848221,1197m/data=!3m1!1e3

(https://i.ibb.co/vLkT55r/Screen-Shot-2021-02-23-at-5-14-59-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tYDvffN)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 23, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Reducing the weave areas, maybe? Merriweather Post Pavilion is at the next interchange south of there and Little Patuxent Parkway is one of the routes traffic leaving the venue uses, especially northbound, which is the direction whose access is expedited by closing that loop. The movement that loop ramp carried seems like it ought to carry less traffic overall just based on where the roads go.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mcmc on February 23, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 23, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Merriweather Post Pavilion is at the next interchange south of there and Little Patuxent Parkway is one of the routes traffic leaving the venue uses, especially northbound, which is the direction whose access is expedited by closing that loop.
Good hunch, but I don't think that's it. The ramp in question leads straight back to Merriweather; no traffic exiting Merriweather would take that exit.

Is anyone privy to SHA's thinking? Was the cloverleaf in bad shape or somehow considered substandard?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 23, 2021, 09:36:26 PM
The weave issue is likely on 29, is my guess.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 23, 2021, 09:38:51 PM
Quote from: mcmc on February 23, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 23, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Merriweather Post Pavilion is at the next interchange south of there and Little Patuxent Parkway is one of the routes traffic leaving the venue uses, especially northbound, which is the direction whose access is expedited by closing that loop.
Good hunch, but I don't think that's it. The ramp in question leads straight back to Merriweather; no traffic exiting Merriweather would take that exit.

Is anyone privy to SHA's thinking? Was the cloverleaf in bad shape or somehow considered substandard?

What I meant is that by closing the loop exit from Route 29, traffic coming from Merriweather heading onto northbound 29 doesn't have any weave area to back up the traffic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on February 23, 2021, 10:23:03 PM
Quote from: mcmc on February 23, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 23, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Merriweather Post Pavilion is at the next interchange south of there and Little Patuxent Parkway is one of the routes traffic leaving the venue uses, especially northbound, which is the direction whose access is expedited by closing that loop.
Good hunch, but I don't think that's it. The ramp in question leads straight back to Merriweather; no traffic exiting Merriweather would take that exit.

Is anyone privy to SHA's thinking? Was the cloverleaf in bad shape or somehow considered substandard?

Converting cloverleafs to parclos is pretty common. SHA has done it elsewhere (like I-270 at MD 85) as have other agencies (I-376 at US 22/US 30/PA 60 near Pittsburgh, I-81 at US 33 in Harrisonburg, VA, I-70 at OH 79 near Buckeye Lake, OH). Removing one of the inner loops often results in better traffic flow on the main route since it eliminates weaving.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 23, 2021, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 22, 2021, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 22, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Which 2 loop ramps have the highest ADT

Don't know if it is the highest ADT loop ramp, but the ramp from northbound I-81 to westbound I-70 carries a significant portion of Northwest Virginia traffic towards Cumberland, Morgantown and Pittsburgh (and perhaps other points southwest).  I've always preferred VA-37 to US-522 (or my favorite VA-37 to VA/WV-127 to WV-29 to WV-9/MD-51).  A flyover for this ramp would be highly justified.

Believe it or not, but per 2019 SHA data, that particular loop is the LEAST used loop at the 70/81 interchange.

The busiest loop, by far, is the SB 81 to EB 70 loop, followed by the WB 70 to SB 81 loop.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 23, 2021, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 23, 2021, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 22, 2021, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 22, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Which 2 loop ramps have the highest ADT

Don't know if it is the highest ADT loop ramp, but the ramp from northbound I-81 to westbound I-70 carries a significant portion of Northwest Virginia traffic towards Cumberland, Morgantown and Pittsburgh (and perhaps other points southwest).  I've always preferred VA-37 to US-522 (or my favorite VA-37 to VA/WV-127 to WV-29 to WV-9/MD-51).  A flyover for this ramp would be highly justified.

Believe it or not, but per 2019 SHA data, that particular loop is the LEAST used loop at the 70/81 interchange.

The busiest loop, by far, is the SB 81 to EB 70 loop, followed by the WB 70 to SB 81 loop.

Makes the most sense to convert the least used one into the left turn, from a traffic standpoint. That suggests closing off the weave was more of a safety concern than a volume issue.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on February 23, 2021, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: BrianP on February 22, 2021, 09:34:24 AM
It's doubtful that anything is done to that interchange.  Since they recently rehabbed replaced the superstructure of the bridges in the interchange.  The worst part is they didn't improve them.  So they are still substandard due to a lack of shoulders.  I would have combined the two bridges in each direction to add space for at least some kind of increase in shoulder width or even combine all four bridges into one bridge.
Eh. If MDSHA wants to 6-lane I-81, they have to fix that interchange; there's not enough room to add another lane. This interchange isn't helped by the fact that exit 5 is so close by; a possible solution would be C/D lanes between exits 4 and 5 with striping favoring a merge onto I-81.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on February 24, 2021, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 23, 2021, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 23, 2021, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 22, 2021, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 22, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Which 2 loop ramps have the highest ADT

Don't know if it is the highest ADT loop ramp, but the ramp from northbound I-81 to westbound I-70 carries a significant portion of Northwest Virginia traffic towards Cumberland, Morgantown and Pittsburgh (and perhaps other points southwest).  I've always preferred VA-37 to US-522 (or my favorite VA-37 to VA/WV-127 to WV-29 to WV-9/MD-51).  A flyover for this ramp would be highly justified.

Believe it or not, but per 2019 SHA data, that particular loop is the LEAST used loop at the 70/81 interchange.

The busiest loop, by far, is the SB 81 to EB 70 loop, followed by the WB 70 to SB 81 loop.

Makes the most sense to convert the least used one into the left turn, from a traffic standpoint. That suggests closing off the weave was more of a safety concern than a volume issue.

You're confusing two completely different interchanges. I-70/I-81 is still a full cloverleaf with C/D lanes. The one that was changed to a parclo was on US 29.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on February 24, 2021, 08:41:58 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 23, 2021, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 22, 2021, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on February 22, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Which 2 loop ramps have the highest ADT

Don't know if it is the highest ADT loop ramp, but the ramp from northbound I-81 to westbound I-70 carries a significant portion of Northwest Virginia traffic towards Cumberland, Morgantown and Pittsburgh (and perhaps other points southwest).  I've always preferred VA-37 to US-522 (or my favorite VA-37 to VA/WV-127 to WV-29 to WV-9/MD-51).  A flyover for this ramp would be highly justified.

Believe it or not, but per 2019 SHA data, that particular loop is the LEAST used loop at the 70/81 interchange.

The busiest loop, by far, is the SB 81 to EB 70 loop, followed by the WB 70 to SB 81 loop.


I would have thought EB to NB would have been one of the more popular ones as a cut up to the PA Turnpike and the Northeast (bypassing I-95)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 25, 2021, 10:59:59 AM
Even the world's first cloverleaf got converted to a parclo.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on February 26, 2021, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on February 23, 2021, 10:23:03 PM
Quote from: mcmc on February 23, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 23, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Merriweather Post Pavilion is at the next interchange south of there and Little Patuxent Parkway is one of the routes traffic leaving the venue uses, especially northbound, which is the direction whose access is expedited by closing that loop.
Good hunch, but I don't think that's it. The ramp in question leads straight back to Merriweather; no traffic exiting Merriweather would take that exit.

Is anyone privy to SHA's thinking? Was the cloverleaf in bad shape or somehow considered substandard?

Converting cloverleafs to parclos is pretty common. SHA has done it elsewhere (like I-270 at MD 85) as have other agencies (I-376 at US 22/US 30/PA 60 near Pittsburgh, I-81 at US 33 in Harrisonburg, VA, I-70 at OH 79 near Buckeye Lake, OH). Removing one of the inner loops often results in better traffic flow on the main route since it eliminates weaving.

I feel MDSHA has definitely cracked down on cloverleaf interchanges, more than any other jurisdiction I know. I can name a dozen or more where they've taken loops out.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 01, 2021, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: MillTheRoadgeek on February 26, 2021, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on February 23, 2021, 10:23:03 PM
Quote from: mcmc on February 23, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 23, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Merriweather Post Pavilion is at the next interchange south of there and Little Patuxent Parkway is one of the routes traffic leaving the venue uses, especially northbound, which is the direction whose access is expedited by closing that loop.
Good hunch, but I don't think that's it. The ramp in question leads straight back to Merriweather; no traffic exiting Merriweather would take that exit.

Is anyone privy to SHA's thinking? Was the cloverleaf in bad shape or somehow considered substandard?

Converting cloverleafs to parclos is pretty common. SHA has done it elsewhere (like I-270 at MD 85) as have other agencies (I-376 at US 22/US 30/PA 60 near Pittsburgh, I-81 at US 33 in Harrisonburg, VA, I-70 at OH 79 near Buckeye Lake, OH). Removing one of the inner loops often results in better traffic flow on the main route since it eliminates weaving.

I feel MDSHA has definitely cracked down on cloverleaf interchanges, more than any other jurisdiction I know. I can name a dozen or more where they've taken loops out.

Maybe the biggest interchange to get the cloverleaf ramps removed was the one at I-95 Exit 19 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+Carrollton,+MD/@38.9474257,-76.8684436,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b7c10bec2daa8f:0x6c38d27c9b868991!8m2!3d38.9657249!4d-76.8802483) with U.S. 50 ("secret" I-595) in Prince George's County.  The creaking old cloverleaf (dated to the opening of the Capital Beltway) was not able to keep up with increased traffic volumes, so three of the four cloverleaf ramps were removed in the 1980's. Access to the New Carrollton Metrorail, Metrobus, inter-city bus and Amtrak was also improved - and the nearby interchange at U.S. 50 and MD-704 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B056'47.6%22N+76%C2%B050'40.7%22W/@38.9465692,-76.8468277,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89b794cd99c2aac9:0x60089e115fcc74ab!2sSpringdale,+MD+20774!3b1!8m2!3d38.9409857!4d-76.844441!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.9465648!4d-76.8446394) was upgraded.

EDIT:  U.S. 50 was widened and most of the other interchanges between MD-410 (Veterans Parkway) and MD-70 (Rowe Boulevard) were modified or totally rebuilt at this time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on March 01, 2021, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 01, 2021, 02:03:35 PM
...three of the four cloverleaf ramps were removed in the 1980's.

And the loop that wasn't removed was widened to two lanes!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tolbs17 on March 01, 2021, 10:35:36 PM
Virginia still has MANY of those! I'm guessing it's to slow traffic down and make roads more pedestrian-friendly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on March 02, 2021, 12:06:49 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 01, 2021, 10:35:36 PM
Virginia still has MANY of those! I'm guessing it's to slow traffic down and make roads more pedestrian-friendly.
what
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 02, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
Not sure if anyone picked this up, but the MDTA has advertised plans to remove the Fort McHenry Tunnel toll plaza and to install gantries instead.

https://emma.maryland.gov/page.aspx/en/bpm/process_manage_extranet/31984
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on March 02, 2021, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 02, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
Not sure if anyone picked this up, but the MDTA has advertised plans to remove the Fort McHenry Tunnel toll plaza and to install gantries instead.

https://emma.maryland.gov/page.aspx/en/bpm/process_manage_extranet/31984

I figured this was bound to happen since it's now cashless anyway because of the pandemic. At least this will eliminate the congestion associated with the barrier.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 02, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: plain on March 02, 2021, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 02, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
Not sure if anyone picked this up, but the MDTA has advertised plans to remove the Fort McHenry Tunnel toll plaza and to install gantries instead.

https://emma.maryland.gov/page.aspx/en/bpm/process_manage_extranet/31984

I figured this was bound to happen since it's now cashless anyway because of the pandemic. At least this will eliminate the congestion associated with the barrier.

Hopefully the JFK & BHT toll plazas aren't far behind.  (Nice Bridge was/is already planned to be converted to AET as part of the replacement project.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 02, 2021, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 02, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: plain on March 02, 2021, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 02, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
Not sure if anyone picked this up, but the MDTA has advertised plans to remove the Fort McHenry Tunnel toll plaza and to install gantries instead.

https://emma.maryland.gov/page.aspx/en/bpm/process_manage_extranet/31984

I figured this was bound to happen since it's now cashless anyway because of the pandemic. At least this will eliminate the congestion associated with the barrier.

Hopefully the JFK & BHT toll plazas aren't far behind.  (Nice Bridge was/is already planned to be converted to AET as part of the replacement project.)

The BHT toll plaza is part of another project currently in the study phase

https://mdta.maryland.gov/I895TollPlaza
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 04, 2021, 08:07:44 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 02, 2021, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 02, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: plain on March 02, 2021, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 02, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
Not sure if anyone picked this up, but the MDTA has advertised plans to remove the Fort McHenry Tunnel toll plaza and to install gantries instead.

https://emma.maryland.gov/page.aspx/en/bpm/process_manage_extranet/31984

I figured this was bound to happen since it's now cashless anyway because of the pandemic. At least this will eliminate the congestion associated with the barrier.

Hopefully the JFK & BHT toll plazas aren't far behind.  (Nice Bridge was/is already planned to be converted to AET as part of the replacement project.)

The BHT toll plaza is part of another project currently in the study phase

https://mdta.maryland.gov/I895TollPlaza

This is an example of a project that should probably not need to go through the full NEPA process.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on March 30, 2021, 07:42:38 PM
For those who take an interest in the realignment of intersections, this may be interesting.

Here is a map of the North Bethesda / South Rockville area, centered around Old Georgetown and Executive. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0505459,-77.118678,15.94z

In the old days, Old Georgetown (OG) was one street, the yellow street leading to the southwest went into a straight line to meet Rockville Pike just north of Montrose.  Over time, Old Georgetown was rerouted to the due east to meet Rockville Pike and the old continuation was truncated from the rest.  This was at one-time known as old Old Georgetown, then Hoya Drive (named after Georgetown University's sports team nickname), then Towne road.   At the same time, the main OG, despite its curve, intersected with another curvy street, Executive Blvd, at a near 90 degree angle.

As some of the nearby shopping centers are getting redeveloped, a street grid is being formed.  One very interesting project in the works right now is to reconnect OG with Towne, and connecting the western part of Executive with the eastern section of OG.  The intersection will be closing for a few months while all of this is being worked out. 

here is a tweet from Montgomery County DOT about it.  I find the planned reorientation of the grid here to be quite interesting and will probably be helpful to some of the areas' traffic.

https://twitter.com/mococommuter/status/1376489503683141633
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on March 30, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 02, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
(Nice Bridge was/is already planned to be converted to AET as part of the replacement project.)

Speaking of the Nice Bridge, how close is it to being shovel ready?

ixnay
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 30, 2021, 10:50:13 PM
I worked on Exective from 1985-1991, in the office condos on the inside of the bend where executive became East Jefferson
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 31, 2021, 02:06:34 AM
Quote from: ixnay on March 30, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 02, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
(Nice Bridge was/is already planned to be converted to AET as part of the replacement project.)

Speaking of the Nice Bridge, how close is it to being shovel ready?

ixnay

The replacement span is under construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on March 31, 2021, 12:51:01 PM
Here is some more on North Bethesda, referring to my post from yesterday.

Executive between OG and Marinelli will eventually be removed and a new grid will be in place.  The final plans are to look like this:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/whiteflint/Resources/Files/pAERIAL_WFWest%20(reduced).pdf
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on April 04, 2021, 03:21:37 PM
Not sure if these are new developments, but I used MD 32 a week ago. Some stuff I noticed:

-There is now an exit 22 for Linden Church Road. I believe this replaces an intersection that only used flashers.
-There is an interchange for Burntwoods Road, but it lacks an exit number. This is the next interchange northward, but 4-laning/limited access control hasn't reached this far north yet.
-Lots of earth being moved between MD 144 and Burntwoods Road. No pavement, but I think a significant amount of landscaping is done.

I also wonder if there's plans to fix the I-95 interchange, given there's a left exit and left merge onto I-95 NB.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 04, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
The interchange at Burntwoods has existed for several years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on April 04, 2021, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 04, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
The interchange at Burntwoods has existed for several years.
Huh, then that raises even more questions, such as "why is it there?". It wouldn't be too hard to tie it into the 4-laning to the north (unless Maryland is actually only building one new carriageway, but the ROW seems too wide for that) but it seems premature.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 04, 2021, 10:21:11 PM
The "why" is because it was arguably the worst of the intersections along 32 between 108 and 70.  There has been a long-range plan for decades for improvements to 32...the Burntwoods interchange just happened to be the first one to pass financial muster...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2021, 12:58:24 AM
[Opinion] Maryland Matters: Why Maryland Legislators Shouldn't Listen to the Sierra Club on Transportation (https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/04/12/opinion-why-maryland-legislators-shouldnt-listen-to-the-sierra-club-on-transportation/?fbclid=IwAR3shileIDXTalMzug6W48iM9BVoxTpp_UxAAQsMJPqC298jQUtNsPslmEU)

QuoteIn a recent guest commentary (Maryland Matters, April 9), the Maryland Sierra Club shows once again how little they understand regional transportation issues and the various proposals in the Maryland General Assembly this year that could impact our ability to invest in critical infrastructure.

QuoteInstead of attacking state senators for doing their jobs and focusing on the facts, they should be rethinking their entire approach to this issue. The bills they promoted this year to block the proposed managed lanes on the American Legion Bridge and Interstate 270 were poorly drafted, displayed a lack of understanding of the P3 procurement process, and would result in nothing but more gridlock. Anti-road advocates keep losing their battles over transportation policy in our region because they keep getting their facts wrong and they keep picking the wrong battles. This needs to change.

The above was written in a response to this (https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/04/09/md-sierra-club-will-the-senate-co-own-hogans-highway-boondoggle/).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2021, 02:52:49 AM
Washington Post editorial: As Virginia finds consensus on expanding highways, Marylanders are at each other's throats (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/as-virginia-finds-consensus-on-expanding-highways-marylanders-are-at-each-others-throats/2021/04/23/250dd894-9dfd-11eb-8005-bffc3a39f6d3_story.html)

QuoteLocal politicians in the Maryland suburbs, all Democrats, have raised every objection possible to impede the efforts of Mr. Hogan, a Republican. They've cited problems with public-private partnerships elsewhere, including the Purple Line light-rail project, in Montgomery and Prince George's counties, which required a $250 million state bailout after delays threatened to undo the deal. It's worth remembering that the most significant of those delays was caused by a meritless environmental lawsuit that was thrown out of court – but only after it set back the project by months.

QuoteThe opponents, some of whom oppose all major road construction, hope to ensnare the project in endless controversy. Many would prefer that the state devote all its transportation resources and energies to mass transit. In fact, the region's long-term economic health and livability will require both. And while private-public partnerships do carry some risk, they also expand the political viability of expensive projects by avoiding tax increases. The region's hundreds of thousands of commuters understand that. Local officials should heed them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 09:10:21 AM
Oh the opposition is so assine.
Look I am TP, I big on EJ, but this is absurd.
This is the nation's capital, it is bad enough there is

1. no 'through' interstate through the urban core of DC
2. no outer bypass for inter-regional through traffic like every other city on the Acela corridor (Philly-NJTP, NY-I-287, I-84; Boston I-495)
3. that 95 from Richmond to DE is NOT like the NJTP size wise

But now, the ONLY interstate crossing which stupidly serves both super local, regional, and long distance traffic, I-495, is causing this much controversy?

My god...grow up MD.
If you ask me..


1.  495 should be HOT extended all around
2.  ICC should connect to Route 28 in VA
3.  95 from exit 126 in VA to the beltway in VA should be like the NJTP from exit 6 north
4.  95 from the beltway in MD to the Baltimore beltway should be like the NJTP from exit 6 north


I'm liberal and pro EJ, but MD morons ruin it for us all.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 26, 2021, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 09:10:21 AM
1. no 'through' interstate through the urban core of DC

This is not necessarily a bad thing.  If it existed, we'd have two Interstate "parking lots" instead of just one.

Quote2. no outer bypass for inter-regional through traffic like every other city on the Acela corridor (Philly-NJTP, NY-I-287, I-84; Boston I-495)

287 isn't all that useful as an outer bypass of NYC, especially on the NJ side and given the backtracking connection on the south end.  The only real problem point to staying on 95 is the Cross Bronx.  There are also a number of ways that vehicles can remain on the NJTP and cross up to the Tappan Zee/Cross Westchester to avoid the Cross Bronx.

Quote3. that 95 from Richmond to DE is NOT like the NJTP size wise

Doesn't need to be.  Traffic's not THAT bad where it requires 12 lanes.

Quote1.  495 should be HOT extended all around

Not really needed on the southeast side.

Quote2.  ICC should connect to Route 28 in VA

In an optimal world, yes.  But, realistically, that ship sailed decades ago.

Quote3.  95 from exit 126 in VA to the beltway in VA should be like the NJTP from exit 6 north

Not going to disagree that express lanes on both sides would be useful, but its usefulness is mainly limited to Dumfries north.  Would also be insanely expensive given the tight right of way, especially in Woodbridge and at Newington.

Quote4.  95 from the beltway in MD to the Baltimore beltway should be like the NJTP from exit 6 north

Overkill.  This segment isn't nearly as bad as others.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on April 26, 2021, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 26, 2021, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 09:10:21 AM
1. no 'through' interstate through the urban core of DC

This is not necessarily a bad thing.  If it existed, we'd have two Interstate "parking lots" instead of just one.
It would help to relieve congestion on alternate routes such as I-495 and I-295 / DC-295 / MD-295.

Quote from: froggie on April 26, 2021, 11:09:03 AM
Quote3. that 95 from Richmond to DE is NOT like the NJTP size wise

Doesn't need to be.  Traffic's not THAT bad where it requires 12 lanes.
In an ideal world... 8 lanes between Richmond and Fredericksburg, 12 lanes (3+3+3+3) north of there, outer bypass to the east.

In reality? At least widen I-95 to 8 general purpose lanes between Fredericksburg and Woodbridge, maybe reconstruct the HO/T lanes to be 2 in each direction as opposed to reversible.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on April 28, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
Froggie, 95 from 495 to 695 is a mess with ample ROW to expand.

95 north of exit 77 bottlenecks, and the Tydings Bridge is really sub standard.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on April 28, 2021, 11:11:27 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 28, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
Froggie, 95 from 495 to 695 is a mess with ample ROW to expand.
i'd argue the bottlenecks are the beltway interchanges.

Quote from: bluecountry
95 north of exit 77 bottlenecks, and the Tydings Bridge is really sub standard.
no argument there, but it hardly needs 12 lanes like the dual-dual section of the NJ Turnpike.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 29, 2021, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: odditude on April 28, 2021, 11:11:27 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 28, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
Froggie, 95 from 495 to 695 is a mess with ample ROW to expand.
i'd argue the bottlenecks are the beltway interchanges.

Quote from: bluecountry
95 north of exit 77 bottlenecks, and the Tydings Bridge is really sub standard.
no argument there, but it hardly needs 12 lanes like the dual-dual section of the NJ Turnpike.

The recurring bottleneck northbound on I-95 northbound between MD-198 and MD-216 has gotten progressively worse of late, even during the COVID19 pandemic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on April 29, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
MDTA launched their new toll-servicing website this morning: https://driveezmd.com/

Curious for opinions on the website from other forum users with E-ZPassMD accounts once you've had a chance to log in.  Not a huge fan of the website layout initially, but that could just be because I was so used to the layout of the old website :spin:.  It's clearly optimized for mobile users, even when you're on a computer with a large screen.

And this is just the roadgeek in me because I'm sure most users won't notice (or care), but I find myself irked that tolls for roads with entry/exit points (such as the ICC or NJTP) now only display the exit point & time as if it was any other single-point toll.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on April 30, 2021, 01:07:08 PM
https://twitter.com/TheMDTA/status/1388115981340397568

Curious what MDTA means by interim highway-speed electronic tolling improvements...purely conjecture on my part, but perhaps they're evaluating returning to 2-way tolling, or even segment tolling over the entire JFK Highway?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 30, 2021, 03:31:27 PM
Maybe it means the new equipment won't be in the final configuration. That's probably somewhat reasonable insofar as they won't need the highway to be the same width as it is now, but at the same time, there's that weigh station and truck parking area immediately after the toll plaza, so they can't simply block off the right side of the road. Presumably the weigh station and truck parking are reasons why they aren't demolishing the right side of the toll plaza first.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on May 02, 2021, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on April 30, 2021, 01:07:08 PM
https://twitter.com/TheMDTA/status/1388115981340397568

Curious what MDTA means by interim highway-speed electronic tolling improvements...purely conjecture on my part, but perhaps they're evaluating returning to 2-way tolling, or even segment tolling over the entire JFK Highway?

That is a surprise.  I only saw a bid package for the Fort McHenry Tunnel earlier this year.

The press release says a gantry will be installed a mile south of the current toll plaza (probably where the existing 1 mile sign structure is after crossing the bridge).  Sounds like the AET gantry will be permanent but the traffic pattern is what will be temporary (because the project will include changes to the ramps for the weigh station).  IIRC the weigh station access requires making a 180 after exiting the toll plaza, so maybe they will reverse the direction of travel across the scales).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on May 03, 2021, 12:38:05 PM
^

Both posts are good points and more likely than what my overly-analytical self suggested...it was this specific quote from the full press release that got me pondering the subject:

Quote from: MDTA
The project, funded entirely through toll revenues, will implement highway-speed AET at the JFK toll plaza on an interim basis until permanent AET conversion can be designed and constructed.

The other element I forgot when making that post is that if 2-way tolling were to return to the JFK, it'd also need to return to the Hatem Bridge (or there'd be an immediate loophole in the tolling setup).

Once the gantry closer to the Tydings Bridge is set up and active, I wouldn't see much of a point in relocating it back towards the existing toll plaza once fully demolished.  Reminds me of NYSTA's original plan of the Tappan Zee toll gantry being temporary on the Nyack side and eventually relocating back to the Tarrytown side.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 05, 2021, 07:58:04 AM
The MDTA tweeted that again this morning and WTOP retweeted it, so when I saw it, I replied to the MDTA to ask what "interim" denotes in this particular context due to the word implying something temporary.

Their reply wasn't helpful. I'm not going to waste my time responding further.

https://twitter.com/TheMDTA/status/1389910848517382147
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on May 05, 2021, 09:52:49 AM
I took care of that for you...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 05, 2021, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 05, 2021, 09:52:49 AM
I took care of that for you...

Nice job. Sounds like they're using the word to refer to the lane configuration. That is not how I would have interpreted it due to its position in the sentence and the use of a comma immediately after that word.

https://twitter.com/TheMDTA/status/1389947266933403650
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: PHLBOS on May 10, 2021, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on May 03, 2021, 12:38:05 PM
Quote from: MDTA
The project, funded entirely through toll revenues, will implement highway-speed AET at the JFK toll plaza on an interim basis until permanent AET conversion can be designed and constructed.

The other element I forgot when making that post is that if 2-way tolling were to return to the JFK, it'd also need to return to the Hatem Bridge (or there'd be an immediate loophole in the tolling setup).
IMHO, once both the Tydings & Hatem Bridges are fully AET; a simultaneous conversion to 2-way tolling will, no doubt, return. 

Similar happened in Boston after the harbor tunnels (Sumner/Callahan & Ted Williams) were converted to AET well after the Tobin Bridge went AET; all of the crossings converted to 2-way tolling only after all were fully AET.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 11, 2021, 09:46:12 PM
Will Maryland ever raise the speed limit to 70 on I-95 and other rural freeways that are still 65? Also, how about 60 or 65 on some of the high-quality expressways out east?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 13, 2021, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 11, 2021, 09:46:12 PM
Will Maryland ever raise the speed limit to 70 on I-95 and other rural freeways that are still 65? Also, how about 60 or 65 on some of the high-quality expressways out east?
I-95 should've been increased at least north of Baltimore when I-70 and I-68 were, why it wasn't is beyond me. Arguably the same with I-81 and I-83.

What other rural freeways particularly should be raised from 55 mph to 65 mph?

And for the last part, no plans, but would definitely agree plenty should be 65 mph. US-301, US-15, and US-13 for starters, being limited access. Even the ones without access control like US-113 and US-50 should be increased. No reason why not except artificial laws.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on May 13, 2021, 09:23:58 PM
If I remember right, I-68 was raised first, then I-70.  After that, MD got spooked by some crashes on I-70, so it's unlikely anything else will be raised, even though I agree about I-95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 13, 2021, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 13, 2021, 09:23:58 PM
If I remember right, I-68 was raised first, then I-70.  After that, MD got spooked by some crashes on I-70, so it's unlikely anything else will be raised, even though I agree about I-95.
Um traffic probably flows at 70 on all those roads anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 13, 2021, 11:38:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 13, 2021, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 13, 2021, 09:23:58 PM
If I remember right, I-68 was raised first, then I-70.  After that, MD got spooked by some crashes on I-70, so it's unlikely anything else will be raised, even though I agree about I-95.
Um traffic probably flows at 70 on all those roads anyway.
Well above 70 mph...

Traffic was moving at 70+ mph on US-301 on the Eastern Shore when I drove it a couple years ago... and the limit there is 55 mph.

But except when you pass through the occasional minor intersection, it's high quality design and limited access feels and looks like you're driving on a 70 mph rural interstate highway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 14, 2021, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: vdeane on May 13, 2021, 09:23:58 PM
If I remember right, I-68 was raised first, then I-70.  After that, MD got spooked by some crashes on I-70, so it's unlikely anything else will be raised, even though I agree about I-95.

Which is kind of absurd, because the segment of I-70 near South Mountain has seen lots of accidents for years and it has nothing to do with the speed limit.

Traffic on I-95 routinely moved at 80+ mph even in the late 1980s when Maryland was still stuck on the old 55-mph speed limit (they didn't allow 65 anywhere until 1995 due to Gov. Schaefer vetoing any efforts to allow it). I recall my grandfather, who died in 1991, complaining about traffic going 80+ in Maryland when he drove down to Virginia to visit us. It's actually somewhat harder to go that fast now simply because there's so much more traffic, but I've often found that on I-95 in Maryland you can go fastest if you stick to the far right lane because Maryland residents think they're on a British motorway where you keep left except to pass.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on May 14, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
US 301 between US 50 and Delaware could definitely be raised to at least 60 mph, but I don't see MD doing that. Hell it's still 55 mph on its duplex with US 50, which is a freeway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on May 14, 2021, 11:54:52 AM
I dug up MDOT SHA's press release from when I-70 got the bump, because I vaguely remembered it almost sounding as if no other roads would be considered for a bump after that.  vdeane is correct that I-68 was raised first as the pilot in October 2015, then I-70 followed in April 2016.

Links to both press releases:  I-68 (https://roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/Pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?PageId=818&newsId=2369#:~:text=(September%2030%2C%202015)%20%E2%80%93,65%20mph%20to%2070%20mph.)  I-70 (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/Pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?PageId=818&newsId=2504)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 12:01:18 PM
The Northeast remains cautious as always with speed limits.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 14, 2021, 12:42:12 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
US 301 between US 50 and Delaware could definitely be raised to at least 60 mph, but I don't see MD doing that. Hell it's still 55 mph on its duplex with US 50, which is a freeway.
65 mph minimum, ideally 70 mph.

But you know... intersections.

Delaware is now a relief as the speed limit increases to 65 mph on the toll road. It's not like I was already coming onto it though at over 70 mph anyways.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on May 14, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
I've since switched to US-50/301/DE-1 over I-95 because it adds no time and is generally a less stressful drive. Having lower tolls also helps too. The only exception would be during the summer if the Bay Bridge is congested, but I rarely travel that route during those times anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Ketchup99 on May 14, 2021, 01:46:51 PM
Maryland could probably up the limit on US-50 all the way from the bridge to Ocean City from 55 to 60-65. The flow is already 65-70, with a decent number of cars topping 70.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 14, 2021, 01:49:05 PM
I'd be very surprised if they were to raise the limit between the bridge and the US-50/301 split, especially with the sharp RIRO exit ramps, at least one of which leads directly onto a roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/xm8G91R2RWmM2FLVA). They write a lot of speeding tickets along that stretch.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: RoadPelican on May 15, 2021, 08:14:53 AM
Believe it or not, I remember sometime back in the 2000's MDOT tried to raise the speed limit from 55 to 65 from the US 50/301 split to the Bay Bridge but the Queen Anne's County Board of Commissioners voted to oppose that.  There are some sharp RIRO ramps but the main highway corridor is very straight, wide and the accel lanes are long.

I am surprised that Gov. Hogan did not try to at least make the case for 60-65 MPH on the rural divided highways, especially the recently widened Route 404 west of Denton.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 15, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
Apparently back before the NMSL was repealed, Maryland attempted to get the speed limit increased to 65 mph on the entire segment between I-495 and the US-50/US-301 split on the Eastern Shore, probably excluding the Chesapeake Bay Bridge of course.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1995/06/22/md-denied-higher-speed-for-rte-50/47d0a291-cf88-4e84-b211-54a740e771e7/

Probably would've been nice to have, I could reasonably see the speed limit go up to 65 mph through Annapolis, sure it drops to 55 mph coming in from the west, but traffic still moves 70+ mph regardless, same with the Eastern Shore segment in question.

They also apparently tried US-29 in Howard County, not sure why they never went back to that later on.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mcmc on May 16, 2021, 06:01:33 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 15, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
They also apparently tried US-29 in Howard County, not sure why they never went back to that later on.

When was this? The Washington Post article you linked to didn't mention U.S. 29. Is there any documentation or media coverage to examine?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 16, 2021, 06:10:19 AM
Quote from: mcmc on May 16, 2021, 06:01:33 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 15, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
They also apparently tried US-29 in Howard County, not sure why they never went back to that later on.

When was this? The Washington Post article you linked to didn't mention U.S. 29. Is there any documentation or media coverage to examine?
Rereading the article, it looks like I misread it. They tried for I-70 between the Beltway and "US-29 in Howard County" . That stretch has indeed been increased to 65 mph.

I did find it weird how that segment particularly would've been considered and not the rest of the suburban freeways. But turns out this is Maryland, none of them were actually considered for anything above 55 mph to this day!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on May 16, 2021, 07:23:49 AM
Is this still going on?
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/b-w-parkway-speed-limit-lowered/26590720?fbclid=IwAR0JtOy1lbppJcihbz9EulTTAqBN3ZajQnDtm8NDmYKfwJFTDnEj56bbKWU#

I noticed its from 2 years ago.  Has the National Park Service regraded the roadway to eliminate those potholes that caused the speed limit drop?  Or are they lagging?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 16, 2021, 07:31:26 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2021, 07:23:49 AM
Is this still going on?
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/b-w-parkway-speed-limit-lowered/26590720?fbclid=IwAR0JtOy1lbppJcihbz9EulTTAqBN3ZajQnDtm8NDmYKfwJFTDnEj56bbKWU#

I noticed its from 2 years ago.  Has the National Park Service regraded the roadway to eliminate those potholes that caused the speed limit drop?  Or are they lagging?
August 2018 Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1039143,-76.7925882,3a,75y,235.61h,87.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swo7uCPpe_mVMnIOYBUf15g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) shows rough pavement with a number of visible potholes and patch jobs. The article was published in March 2019. July 2019 Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.103883,-76.7926346,3a,50.5y,235.61h,87.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stVv64nKKZGuzZNjCyeCj0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in the area shows newly paved smooth blacktop with a posted 55 mph speed limit (a newly placed sign at that), so I imagine they got to work fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 16, 2021, 08:28:49 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2021, 07:23:49 AM
Is this still going on?
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/b-w-parkway-speed-limit-lowered/26590720?fbclid=IwAR0JtOy1lbppJcihbz9EulTTAqBN3ZajQnDtm8NDmYKfwJFTDnEj56bbKWU#

I noticed its from 2 years ago.  Has the National Park Service regraded the roadway to eliminate those potholes that caused the speed limit drop?  Or are they lagging?

Some of the worst sections have had pavement repaired, or the wearing course milled-down and replaced with new blacktop.  I do not drive the parkway all that often, but I think it safe to say that it is in better shape now than it was when that story came out.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 20, 2021, 11:52:21 AM
The US 219 project out near Grantsville opened earlier this month.  And now it's starting to show up in Google maps.  But it's not yet hooked up to show traffic or route you onto the new highway.  Maybe someday there will be new aerial imagery too.  I would replace the the signal at the now Bus US 219 / ALT US 40 intersection with a roundabout.  I'd be curious to see the Bus US 219 signage.  I'd assume it would be like Business US 1.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on May 20, 2021, 12:30:53 PM
BrianP, the link you posted doesn't work.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on May 20, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Darn web sites.  This one (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?PageId=818&newsId=3893) should should be better since it's a maryland.gov address instead of a damn AWS address.  The previous one was from the project page.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on May 20, 2021, 04:07:01 PM
Quote from: BrianP on May 20, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Darn web sites.  This one (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?PageId=818&newsId=3893) should should be better since it's a maryland.gov address instead of a damn AWS address.  The previous one was from the project page.

Thank you in advance for editing your earlier post!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 20, 2021, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: BrianP on May 20, 2021, 11:52:21 AM
I'd be curious to see the Bus US 219 signage.  I'd assume it would be like Business US 1.

See: https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4303.0
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on May 25, 2021, 09:27:25 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 20, 2021, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: BrianP on May 20, 2021, 11:52:21 AM
I'd be curious to see the Bus US 219 signage.  I'd assume it would be like Business US 1.

See: https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4303.0
I clicked the link and Google Chrome blocked it because of a privacy threat...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 25, 2021, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on May 25, 2021, 09:27:25 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 20, 2021, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: BrianP on May 20, 2021, 11:52:21 AM
I'd be curious to see the Bus US 219 signage.  I'd assume it would be like Business US 1.

See: https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4303.0
I clicked the link and Google Chrome blocked it because of a privacy threat...
You can advance to the site anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on May 25, 2021, 04:30:08 PM
Looks like there was some issue with the TM forum SSL certificate this morning.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 25, 2021, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 25, 2021, 04:30:08 PM
Looks like there was some issue with the TM forum SSL certificate this morning.

It is resolved now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: oscar on May 25, 2021, 05:11:14 PM
The TM forum doesn't have a photo of the new US 219 Business route marker. Here's one I took last Thursday, at the northern US 219/219 Business junction:

http://www.alaskaroads.com/US219Bus+US219-DSC_2852.jpg (http://www.alaskaroads.com/US219Bus+US219-DSC_2852.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on May 27, 2021, 08:20:10 AM
Looks like Maryland is having a few glitches with its E-ZPass transition.  Some of the tolls from the transition period in April just posted to my North Carolina E-ZPass account.  They charged me the Maryland E-ZPass rate instead of the non-Maryland rate.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on May 27, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on May 27, 2021, 08:20:10 AM
Looks like Maryland is having a few glitches with its E-ZPass transition.  Some of the tolls from the transition period in April just posted to my North Carolina E-ZPass account.  They charged me the Maryland E-ZPass rate instead of the non-Maryland rate.

Meanwhile, I had a toll-by-plate post to my Maryland E-ZPass account from a Bay Bridge crossing 2 months ago, even though I had already been charged for that trip before the DriveEZMD transition via my E-ZPass transponder.  Apparently I was in the middle of changing lanes under the gantry (based on the somewhat-creepy image of my entire car rather than just a zoomed-in license plate), so maybe that threw the system off somehow.

Credit where credit is due though: I used the new website's live chat feature to dispute the duplicate toll, and within minutes $4.00 (the toll-by-plate/former cash rate) was credited back onto my account.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on May 27, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
I crossed the Bay Bridge on April 12th and it still hasn't posted on my account. My transponder is definitely working too as DE charged me for US-301 that day.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on May 28, 2021, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on May 27, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on May 27, 2021, 08:20:10 AM
Looks like Maryland is having a few glitches with its E-ZPass transition.  Some of the tolls from the transition period in April just posted to my North Carolina E-ZPass account.  They charged me the Maryland E-ZPass rate instead of the non-Maryland rate.

Meanwhile, I had a toll-by-plate post to my Maryland E-ZPass account from a Bay Bridge crossing 2 months ago, even though I had already been charged for that trip before the DriveEZMD transition via my E-ZPass transponder.  Apparently I was in the middle of changing lanes under the gantry (based on the somewhat-creepy image of my entire car rather than just a zoomed-in license plate), so maybe that threw the system off somehow.

Credit where credit is due though: I used the new website's live chat feature to dispute the duplicate toll, and within minutes $4.00 (the toll-by-plate/former cash rate) was credited back onto my account.

That might be the fastest I've heard someone getting that settled
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2021, 10:33:22 AM
Google maps did a recent update of the satellite view showing the construction progress of MD-210 at the junction of Livingston Rd. and Kirby Hill Rd.
https://goo.gl/maps/mwq6FdXJSe4dMwxc7

However, Bing Maps seems to did a recent update of the same aera. https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=71cc5518-6d60-4e8b-a2a4-72036eaaa183&cp=38.78167~-76.996211&lvl=16&style=a&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 06, 2021, 02:50:58 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on May 27, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
I crossed the Bay Bridge on April 12th and it still hasn't posted on my account. My transponder is definitely working too as DE charged me for US-301 that day.

Maryland changed contractors for its toll processing and E-ZPass operations in April.  The old one was Conduent Transportation  (formerly Xerox) and the new ones are Kapsch TrafficCom USA, Inc. (toll system and services contract) and TransCore (customer service center).  I think the transition from Conduent to TransCore may have been the reason for the shut-down earlier this year.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 06, 2021, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 06, 2021, 02:50:58 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on May 27, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
I crossed the Bay Bridge on April 12th and it still hasn't posted on my account. My transponder is definitely working too as DE charged me for US-301 that day.

Maryland changed contractors for its toll processing and E-ZPass operations in April.  The old one was Conduent Transportation  (formerly Xerox) and the new ones are Kapsch TrafficCom USA, Inc. (toll system and services contract) and TransCore (customer service center).  I think the transition from Conduent to TransCore may have been the reason for the shut-down earlier this year.

That would still not explain my missing US 40 Hatem Bridge toll from December, but I guess it is probably safe to say at this point that I got a free trip across it by accident.   ;-)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 06, 2021, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 06, 2021, 03:41:11 PM
That would still not explain my missing US 40 Hatem Bridge toll from December, but I guess it is probably safe to say at this point that I got a free trip across it by accident.   ;-)

I do not think MDTA collects much toll revenue there - the revenues that they do collect are not even part of the dollars pledged to pay bondholders (it's the only toll road or toll crossing where the revenues are not pledged).

It is a toll crossing mostly to deter shunpiking by commercial vehicles from northbound I-95 across the Millard Tydings Bridge nearby.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on June 15, 2021, 01:01:32 PM
I-270 RAMP METER TESTING BEGINS AS PART OF INNOVATIVE CONGESTION MANAGEMENT PROJECT (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=3923&PageId=818)
QuoteThe Maryland Department of Transportation State Highway Administration (MDOT SHA) is expected to activate and test a new ramp metering system on the ramp from northbound MD 118 to southbound I-270, in the Germantown area of Montgomery County on Wednesday, June 23. This will be the first location activated in the new ramp metering system that will eventually include 22 northbound and 23 southbound I-270 ramps.
QuoteThis single location will be activated as a flashing yellow signal on or about June 16, before becoming fully operational on June 23. MDOT SHA is testing the system at this single location for one week and will then deactivate it until the entire southbound I-270 ramp metering system is activated later this year. The northbound I-270 ramp metering system is expected to be activated in 2022.
QuoteThe signal will allow one car at a time to go from each lane, optimizing traffic flow onto I-270.
How do you allow just one car to go at a time?: 

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on June 15, 2021, 01:45:18 PM
^^^^^

This will be quite interesting to see.  Ramp metering does improve traffic, as it helps to regulate the flow at the onramps.  Other states, like CA, have had ramp metering for decades.  It basically pushes the congestion to the on-ramp, thereby sparing mainline congestion during periods of moderately heavy usage.

From the video, it seems like they will be flashing yellow when not in use.  I don't like that.  I'm used to meters being off when not in use.  I fear that there would be a little confusion since there is a flashing yellow signal to alert you that the meter is on in the first place.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: frankenroad on June 15, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
Quote from: mrsman on June 15, 2021, 01:45:18 PM

From the video, it seems like they will be flashing yellow when not in use.  I don't like that.  I'm used to meters being off when not in use.  I fear that there would be a little confusion since there is a flashing yellow signal to alert you that the meter is on in the first place.

The ones around here are solid green when not in use. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on June 15, 2021, 10:34:12 PM
^^ On the flip side, I'm used to meters flashing yellow when not used.  That's been a long-running MnDOT standard.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 16, 2021, 12:50:22 AM
Every state's different. I've seen green and I've seen off, but never flashing yellow.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on June 16, 2021, 08:55:19 AM
Quote from: frankenroad on June 15, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
Quote from: mrsman on June 15, 2021, 01:45:18 PM

From the video, it seems like they will be flashing yellow when not in use.  I don't like that.  I'm used to meters being off when not in use.  I fear that there would be a little confusion since there is a flashing yellow signal to alert you that the meter is on in the first place.

The ones around here are solid green when not in use. 

PennDOT turns the ramp meters off when not in use (there is also no yellow light on those).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on June 16, 2021, 06:20:31 PM
If I remember correctly I think GDOT also turn theirs off when not in use.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 18, 2021, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: Alps on June 16, 2021, 12:50:22 AM
Every state's different. I've seen green and I've seen off, but never flashing yellow.

The two states I am most familiar with when it comes to ramp meters are Virginia and California.  Both states leave the meters dark when they are not in use.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 16, 2021, 07:18:20 PM
Maryland Department of Transportation press release: MARYLAND HITS MILESTONES ACROSS TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AS HIGHWAY, AIRPORT AND PORT NUMBERS APPROACH PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS (https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/tso/pages/newsroomdetails.aspx?newsId=543&PageId=38)

QuoteWith the lifting of Maryland's pandemic-related State of Emergency by Governor Larry Hogan on July 1, Marylanders are returning to roadways, airways and other forms of travel in numbers approaching pre-pandemic levels, marking major milestones for state transportation, tourism and economic recovery.

QuoteAt the height of the pandemic, statewide highway travel fell by as much as 50% and passenger traffic at BWI Thurgood Marshall Airport dropped more than 90% as Marylanders heeded Governor Hogan's call to limit travel to help stop the spread of COVID-19. The Maryland Department of Transportation (MDOT) has seen many of those trends reverse with the lifting of the State of Emergency, the widespread success of COVID-19 vaccinations in Maryland, and the onset of the summer vacation season.

Quote"Marylanders are getting back to business and back to their lives with growing confidence," MDOT Secretary Greg Slater said. "The numbers we're seeing around the state reflects the strong desire of travelers to work, play and experience everything Maryland has to offer — and it also shows the demand for reliable, safe and healthy transportation options."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 17, 2021, 12:17:35 PM
I expected traffic nation-wide to eventually return to pre-pandemic levels. Anyone who thought traffic was going to be permanently decreased was dreaming.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
270 Toll lanes are back on, baby! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/07/21/maryland-toll-lanes-vote/&ved=2ahUKEwjkq9z37_TxAhUdEFkFHQ69AB0QxfQBMAB6BAgDEAs&usg=AOvVaw2tCiLA9Xdu3YneapX7reIi)

The Anti-mobility lobby loses.



Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
270 Toll lanes are back on, baby! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/07/21/maryland-toll-lanes-vote/&ved=2ahUKEwjkq9z37_TxAhUdEFkFHQ69AB0QxfQBMAB6BAgDEAs&usg=AOvVaw2tCiLA9Xdu3YneapX7reIi)

The Anti-mobility lobby loses.

Not exactly. The vote means the project is again eligible for federal funding, but the project still has to go through additional environmental review and must pass the Maryland Board of Public Works. It's far from assured that anything will get built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 03:30:37 PM
It has broad regional support, even the Washington Post Editorial Board has supported it. And Virginia hasn't had problems getting HOT lanes built.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 03:30:37 PM
It has broad regional support, even the Washington Post Editorial Board has supported it. And Virginia hasn't had problems getting HOT lanes built.

What does that have to do with whether the project happens? Don't forget that despite Governor Hogan generally being quite popular, Maryland is very much a one-party state, and that dynamic is highly relevant to transportation issues. Governor Hogan is also term-limited come next year's election, which is surely one reason why he is pushing to get the project started (thereby making it more difficult to cancel it) and the Democrats in Montgomery County are fighting hard to delay it (because it's easier to cancel a project that is not yet under construction).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
The Feds gave approval to Virginia's beltway toll lanes last week, what reason could there possibly be for blocking them in Maryland? Also, the widening of the AL Bridge has pretty much unanimous support, it was Hogan's means of paying for it that was controversial.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
The Feds gave approval to Virginia's beltway toll lanes last week, what reason could there possibly be for blocking them in Maryland? Also, the widening of the AL Bridge has pretty much unanimous support, it was Hogan's means of paying for it that was controversial.

You really don't understand Maryland politics if you feel the need to ask that question.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on July 22, 2021, 08:49:17 AM
Looks like construction for the next segment of the I-95 ETLs is starting.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/reconstruction-northbound-i-95-md-43-south-md-152

For anyone interested, plans show speed cameras at the end of the current ETLs covering both regular and express lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 03:30:37 PM
It has broad regional support, even the Washington Post Editorial Board has supported it. And Virginia hasn't had problems getting HOT lanes built.

What does that have to do with whether the project happens? Don't forget that despite Governor Hogan generally being quite popular, Maryland is very much a one-party state, and that dynamic is highly relevant to transportation issues. Governor Hogan is also term-limited come next year's election, which is surely one reason why he is pushing to get the project started (thereby making it more difficult to cancel it) and the Democrats in Montgomery County are fighting hard to delay it (because it's easier to cancel a project that is not yet under construction).
If Maryland is a one-party state, then the Governor and Legislature would be of the same party.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 10:51:59 AM
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 03:30:37 PM
It has broad regional support, even the Washington Post Editorial Board has supported it. And Virginia hasn't had problems getting HOT lanes built.

What does that have to do with whether the project happens? Don't forget that despite Governor Hogan generally being quite popular, Maryland is very much a one-party state, and that dynamic is highly relevant to transportation issues. Governor Hogan is also term-limited come next year's election, which is surely one reason why he is pushing to get the project started (thereby making it more difficult to cancel it) and the Democrats in Montgomery County are fighting hard to delay it (because it's easier to cancel a project that is not yet under construction).
If Maryland is a one-party state, then the Governor and Legislature would be of the same party.

But I said "very much," which is different from "entirely."
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 23, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
The Feds gave approval to Virginia's beltway toll lanes last week, what reason could there possibly be for blocking them in Maryland? Also, the widening of the AL Bridge has pretty much unanimous support, it was Hogan's means of paying for it that was controversial.

I disagree with your last sentence.

While few will say so for public consumption, there are persons and groups that have as their highest priority blocking by any means available any improved highway connection or connections between Montgomery County, Maryland and Northern Virginia. 

This includes an improved American Legion Bridge or any new crossing anywhere between Montgomery and Northern Virginia - to them the Potomac River is sort of a Berlin Wall, intended to keep the two as far away from each other as possible.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2021, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 23, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on July 21, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
The Feds gave approval to Virginia's beltway toll lanes last week, what reason could there possibly be for blocking them in Maryland? Also, the widening of the AL Bridge has pretty much unanimous support, it was Hogan's means of paying for it that was controversial.

I disagree with your last sentence.

While few will say so for public consumption, there are persons and groups that have as their highest priority blocking by any means available any improved highway connection or connections between Montgomery County, Maryland and Northern Virginia. 

This includes an improved American Legion Bridge or any new crossing anywhere between Montgomery and Northern Virginia - to them the Potomac River is sort of a Berlin Wall, intended to keep the two as far away from each other as possible.

Building off the above:

While there may be some actual concern from local politicians over the P3 structure given the ongoing Purple Line mess, I guarantee that a lot of them are just using that as their on-the-record "reason" to oppose the project while it actually has more to do with what cpzilliacus is alluding to (same reason a Potomac crossing connecting VA 28/I-370/ICC will likely never happen).

If the project suddenly pivoted away from P3 funding to traditional funding tomorrow, I'd wager a guess that those same politicians would suddenly be whining about how that'd be a huge misuse of tax dollars :pan:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 23, 2021, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2021, 09:20:13 AM
If the project suddenly pivoted away from P3 funding to traditional funding tomorrow, I'd wager a guess that those same politicians would suddenly be whining about how that'd be a huge misuse of tax dollars :pan:

My prediction is that the same persons and groups would be demanding that all of the money be spent on a new light rail line or Metrorail extension someplace (not crossing the Potomac River).

That method was tried during the ICC wars of the 1980's, 1990's and 2000's - but those demands from environmental and civic activists and obstructionists got less and less credible as it became clear that Maryland was going to build MD-200 (ICC) as a toll road, with much of the construction cost funded by MDTA toll revenue bonds, which were not going to be used to fund a rail line that could never come close to covering its operating costs (and no chance of recovering the capital cost from fares collected).

One obstructionist got a long presentation onto the agenda before either the Montgomery County Council or a County Council committee or the Montgomery County Planning Board (not sure which) where he touted a light rail line that would run from Shady Grove along the master-planned route of the ICC to an eastern terminus at MD-97 (Georgia Avenue) near Norbeck Road. Not sure how that was going to get any traffic from I-270 to I-95 but this guy was confident that he had a better idea than building the ICC.  One excuse offered for not going further east were the non-native brown trout in the Paint Branch of the Anacostia River, and because he was opposed to the development of Konterra in Prince George's County around the then proposed interchange of MD-200 and I-95.
                                                                                                                                                         
For reasons not clear to me, the whole idea of Konterra energized and whipped-up rage among Montgomery County civic activist and obstructionist groups - never mind that nearly all of it is in Prince George's County - and the land that Konterra will be built on is nearly all mined-out sand and gravel deposits (not exactly greenfields).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on July 26, 2021, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 23, 2021, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2021, 09:20:13 AM
If the project suddenly pivoted away from P3 funding to traditional funding tomorrow, I'd wager a guess that those same politicians would suddenly be whining about how that'd be a huge misuse of tax dollars :pan:

My prediction is that the same persons and groups would be demanding that all of the money be spent on a new light rail line or Metrorail extension someplace (not crossing the Potomac River).

That method was tried during the ICC wars of the 1980's, 1990's and 2000's - but those demands from environmental and civic activists and obstructionists got less and less credible as it became clear that Maryland was going to build MD-200 (ICC) as a toll road, with much of the construction cost funded by MDTA toll revenue bonds, which were not going to be used to fund a rail line that could never come close to covering its operating costs (and no chance of recovering the capital cost from fares collected).

One obstructionist got a long presentation onto the agenda before either the Montgomery County Council or a County Council committee or the Montgomery County Planning Board (not sure which) where he touted a light rail line that would run from Shady Grove along the master-planned route of the ICC to an eastern terminus at MD-97 (Georgia Avenue) near Norbeck Road. Not sure how that was going to get any traffic from I-270 to I-95 but this guy was confident that he had a better idea than building the ICC.  One excuse offered for not going further east were the non-native brown trout in the Paint Branch of the Anacostia River, and because he was opposed to the development of Konterra in Prince George's County around the then proposed interchange of MD-200 and I-95.
                                                                                                                                                         
For reasons not clear to me, the whole idea of Konterra energized and whipped-up rage among Montgomery County civic activist and obstructionist groups - never mind that nearly all of it is in Prince George's County - and the land that Konterra will be built on is nearly all mined-out sand and gravel deposits (not exactly greenfields).

And sometimes it does require a Republican governor to just push through the logjam of the local Dems at the county and state levels.

IIRC, (as this occurred around the time I moved to MD) Gov. Glendening - D was opposed.  Gov. Erlich - R supported the ICC and finally put enough state funding to begin the project.  The building of the ICC was certainly popular, and may have helped him get elected, despite the very D lean of the state. 

We may face the same issue right now.  Gov. Hogan - R has heavily put forward many pro-motorist proposals, including the toll lanes projects.  Perhaps, as the latest news seems to indicate, he may be successful enough to at least achieve a groundbreaking of the toll lanes before he leaves office in 1.5 years.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 26, 2021, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 26, 2021, 07:49:56 PM
And sometimes it does require a Republican governor to just push through the logjam of the local Dems at the county and state levels.

IIRC, (as this occurred around the time I moved to MD) Gov. Glendening - D was opposed.  Gov. Erlich - R supported the ICC and finally put enough state funding to begin the project.  The building of the ICC was certainly popular, and may have helped him get elected, despite the very D lean of the state. 

We may face the same issue right now.  Gov. Hogan - R has heavily put forward many pro-motorist proposals, including the toll lanes projects.  Perhaps, as the latest news seems to indicate, he may be successful enough to at least achieve a groundbreaking of the toll lanes before he leaves office in 1.5 years.

This is correct.  Both Robert Ehrlich Jr. and Larry Hogan Jr. were elected in part thanks to missteps by their opponents on transportation matters.

Ehrlich stated very clearly that he wanted the MD-200 project approved and built, his predecessor Parris Glendening changed his mind in office (he campaigned in favor of the road in 1994), changed his mind to oppose it after the 1998 election (contrary to what his blue-ribbon advisory committee told him) and Glendening was term-limited out in 2002, so the race was against Glendening's Lt. Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend on the Democratic side.  Glendening became increasingly unpopular toward the end of his second term, and while obstructionist and environmental activists in the two large Washington suburban counties loved him for "cancelling" the ICC, that did Townsend little good in a statewide election, for while the obstructionists were and are loud, there are not that many of them.  Townsend foolishly said that she would restart the study that Glendening had cancelled several years earlier, but did not agree to promote and support its construction, and I think it cost her the election.

In 2006, Baltimore City Mayor Martin O'Malley defeated Ehrlich, and the obstructionists lobbied him hard to cancel the project, but O'Malley knew that the news media, especially the Washington Post editorial page, would torch him (and I think O'Malley also understood that the obstructionists have little power in a Maryland statewide election as well). So even though the MD-200 project was a winner in federal court, the obstructionists repeatedly demanded a "time out" (though they had one in federal court and it expired and revealed their claims as having little legal merit), and the road was built under O'Malley's leadership.

Forward to 2014, when O'Malley was term limited out, and his Lt. Governor Anthony G. Brown was the Democratic nominee to succeed O'Malley.   The O'Malley Administration had pushed a significant increase in the state fuel tax through the general assembly - with most of that money planned to go to build the Purple Line in the Maryland suburbs of D.C. and the Red Line to in Baltimore City and Baltimore County, and railfans were acting like they owned all of those tax dollars, which looked very bad.  The sum of Anthony Brown's transportation program was the Purple and Red Lines (and one unspecified interchange in Montgomery County), and Hogan correctly torched him for it.

Come election day, the Democratic Lt. Governor was again defeated by the Republican.  Voter turnout in the counties where these light rail lines would run was terrible (in other words, rail transit is not as popular on Election Day as its boosters would have us think).   Hogan ended up cancelling the Red Line and keeping a scaled-back Purple Line and to the outrage of the railfans, spent the money on highway projects around Maryland instead.  Anthony Brown went on to win election to the U.S. House of Representatives in the 2016 election - in the 4th District, where Republicans have zero chance of winning.

Bottom line - running for office statewide in Maryland means running for office of a state that where the suburban and exurban counties have a commanding share of the population in a popular vote (by my estimates, over 70% of the population in Maryland is suburban, and while there are some exceptions, trying to convert the state to a transit riding and apartment dwelling population is destined to fail).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on July 30, 2021, 10:13:16 PM
The Washington Post Editorial Board: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/29/maryland-highway-plan-larry-hogan/)

QuoteThe opposition to Mr. Hogan's plan is led by elitists who think people who must drive to work – in construction, health care, laboratories and countless other job sites ill-served by transit – should suffer in ever-worsening traffic.

Inject this into my veins
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on August 01, 2021, 12:38:31 AM
Are there plans to improve I-70 through South Mountain (exits 35-42)? Cause apparently exit 29 needs fixing (...because it's a cloverleaf?) but not, you know, an accident prone stretch of road.

P.S. this bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6056355,-77.7448683,3a,75y,81.94h,69.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seSk4dmwfeXDPDYJv9eMPSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) wasn't fixed even with exit 29 reconstruction (or heck exit 26 (I-81) repaving)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on August 14, 2021, 08:21:24 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 22, 2021, 08:49:17 AM
Looks like construction for the next segment of the I-95 ETLs is starting.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/reconstruction-northbound-i-95-md-43-south-md-152

For anyone interested, plans show speed cameras at the end of the current ETLs covering both regular and express lanes.

So I'm confused, is the expansion just NB or SB?

Also, MD I 95 is awful north of MM 77 to north of Aberdeen, and frankly the Tydings bridge is inadequate.
Any plans to fix those?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 14, 2021, 10:00:26 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2021, 12:38:31 AM
Are there plans to improve I-70 through South Mountain? Cause apparently exit 29 needs fixing (...because it's a cloverleaf?) but not, you know, an accident prone stretch of road.

P.S. this bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6056355,-77.7448683,3a,75y,81.94h,69.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seSk4dmwfeXDPDYJv9eMPSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) wasn't fixed even with exit 29 reconstruction (or heck exit 26 (I-81) repaving)

The crest of South Mountain (a/k/a Blue Ridge) is a considerable distance (12.5 miles) east of the I-81 interchange southwest of Hagerstown.    The area around Hagerstown is generally not called South Mountain.

To answer your question, I have not heard of any plans for changes to I-70 between I-81 (Exit 26) and U.S. 40 (exit 32) but I do not normally follow what goes on in Washington County so closely.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 15, 2021, 07:45:47 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 14, 2021, 08:21:24 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 22, 2021, 08:49:17 AM
Looks like construction for the next segment of the I-95 ETLs is starting.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/reconstruction-northbound-i-95-md-43-south-md-152

For anyone interested, plans show speed cameras at the end of the current ETLs covering both regular and express lanes.

So I'm confused, is the expansion just NB or SB?

Also, MD I 95 is awful north of MM 77 to north of Aberdeen, and frankly the Tydings bridge is inadequate.
Any plans to fix those?

Right now, only the northbound ETL carriage way is being constructed due to lack of available funds. Traffic going north is substantially worse due to the lane drop at MP 77 and the ascending gradient north of MD 24. Unless the plans changed again the northbound ETLs will terminate just north of Exit 80 (MD 543), just before the entrance ramp to Maryland House.

There is a longer-term program to widen I-95 to eight lanes beyond MD 543, across the Susquehanna and throughout Cecil County. In my personal opinion the Tydings Bridge should be expanded sufficiently when the widening occurs to allow for future ETL extensions beyond MD 543.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on August 15, 2021, 10:18:03 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 14, 2021, 10:00:26 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2021, 12:38:31 AM
Are there plans to improve I-70 through South Mountain? Cause apparently exit 29 needs fixing (...because it's a cloverleaf?) but not, you know, an accident prone stretch of road.

P.S. this bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6056355,-77.7448683,3a,75y,81.94h,69.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seSk4dmwfeXDPDYJv9eMPSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) wasn't fixed even with exit 29 reconstruction (or heck exit 26 (I-81) repaving)

The crest of South Mountain (a/k/a Blue Ridge) is a considerable distance (12.5 miles) east of the I-81 interchange southwest of Hagerstown.    The area around Hagerstown is generally not called South Mountain.

To answer your question, I have not heard of any plans for changes to I-70 between I-81 (Exit 26) and U.S. 40 (exit 32) but I do not normally follow what goes on in Washington County so closely.
To clarify; I mean the section between exits 35 and 42. I usually see accidents there and wonder why MDSHA chose to improve around Hagerstown instead of South Mountain.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 15, 2021, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 15, 2021, 10:18:03 AM
To clarify; I mean the section between exits 35 and 42. I usually see accidents there and wonder why MDSHA chose to improve around Hagerstown instead of South Mountain.

I-70 eastbound east of the crest of South Mountain in Frederick County has a fair amount of truck crashes.  It is the longest (about 600' or 180 M) and curviest descent on I-70 in Maryland and excessive speed is often a contributing factor  (Catoctin Mountain to the east is about a 400' or 120 M descent and less curvy).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 17, 2021, 10:41:41 PM
WTOP Radio: Public meeting provides chance to meet new owner of White's Ferry, get update on reopening plans (https://wtop.com/local/2021/08/public-meeting-provides-chance-to-meet-new-owner-of-whites-ferry-get-update-on-reopening-plans/?fbclid=IwAR0Al7G1Kf9g6upivKEa3xBDggygZh4eHDols8alFqOckz6E-belxvjWfzY)

QuoteA meeting on Wednesday will be an opportunity for the public to meet the new owner of White's Ferry and hear updates on what's being done to reopen the historic Potomac River crossing between Montgomery County, Maryland, and Loudoun County, Virginia.

QuoteThe ferry has been closed since December, following a judge's decision in a decadelong court case brought by a Virginia property owner.

QuoteMaryland officials, including from the Montgomery County Department of Transportation, will be present at the meeting organized by the Town of Poolesville Fair Access Committee from 6:30 to 8 p.m. at the Poolesville Town Hall.

QuoteMontgomery and Loudoun counties have been working together on a study of the ferry's operation since June 23.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2021, 12:38:31 AM
Are there plans to improve I-70 through South Mountain (exits 35-42)? Cause apparently exit 29 needs fixing (...because it's a cloverleaf?) but not, you know, an accident prone stretch of road.

P.S. this bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6056355,-77.7448683,3a,75y,81.94h,69.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seSk4dmwfeXDPDYJv9eMPSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) wasn't fixed even with exit 29 reconstruction (or heck exit 26 (I-81) repaving)
My god it SO needs work.
IMO, I-70 NEEDS to be six lanes from the I-270/US 15 merge in Fredneck to I-81.
West of I-81 the volume drops off a lot, likely due to trucks going from the Port of Baltimore/Wilmington/Philly to the SW.

I wish they were going to do this project.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:42:04 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 15, 2021, 07:45:47 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 14, 2021, 08:21:24 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 22, 2021, 08:49:17 AM
Looks like construction for the next segment of the I-95 ETLs is starting.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/reconstruction-northbound-i-95-md-43-south-md-152

For anyone interested, plans show speed cameras at the end of the current ETLs covering both regular and express lanes.

So I'm confused, is the expansion just NB or SB?

Also, MD I 95 is awful north of MM 77 to north of Aberdeen, and frankly the Tydings bridge is inadequate.
Any plans to fix those?

Right now, only the northbound ETL carriage way is being constructed due to lack of available funds. Traffic going north is substantially worse due to the lane drop at MP 77 and the ascending gradient north of MD 24. Unless the plans changed again the northbound ETLs will terminate just north of Exit 80 (MD 543), just before the entrance ramp to Maryland House.

There is a longer-term program to widen I-95 to eight lanes beyond MD 543, across the Susquehanna and throughout Cecil County. In my personal opinion the Tydings Bridge should be expanded sufficiently when the widening occurs to allow for future ETL extensions beyond MD 543.

1.  Hmmmm, I wonder how that merge will work with the express lanes ending at the MD House?  That already is a bad merge due to it being a left hand one...would it have been better to do the merge after the MD House not before?

2.  I disagree about NB 95 being worse; SB 95 from Aberdeen to exit 77, and really to the local express lanes, sucks. 
Man, MD REALLY sucks compared to VA, the express lanes should  be bi-directional or at least reversible.
Moreover, I hate how they don't incentivize HOV.

3.  Do you have any links to the plans to make 95 eight lanes to Cecil County.

4.  IMO, for this section of 95, it should be:
-12 lanes to exit 80 (4 free + 2 HOT)
-10 lanes exit 80 across the Tydings (3 free + 2 HOT)
-8 lanes in Cecil county to DE

This is a long distance corridor crowded well beyond peak.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:44:13 AM
Question on I-495/95 in PG:

1) There is a lot of construction in the portion from the Potomac River to Landover, what is going on?

2) Also the local/express configuration is 3 local/2 express across the bridge, but it appears there is ample need and space to make it 3 local/3 express, why isn't it this way and are there plans?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on August 28, 2021, 01:50:04 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:44:13 AM
2) Also the local/express configuration is 3 local/2 express across the bridge, but it appears there is ample need and space to make it 3 local/3 express, why isn't it this way and are there plans?

I've been wondering the same thing. There's a 650 ft / 1,800 ft chunk on the WB / EB carriageways respectively in the middle of the US 1 interchange where the extra wide left shoulder vanishes inexplicably. Does this have anything to do with it?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 28, 2021, 07:10:33 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:42:04 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 15, 2021, 07:45:47 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 14, 2021, 08:21:24 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 22, 2021, 08:49:17 AM
Looks like construction for the next segment of the I-95 ETLs is starting.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/reconstruction-northbound-i-95-md-43-south-md-152

For anyone interested, plans show speed cameras at the end of the current ETLs covering both regular and express lanes.

So I'm confused, is the expansion just NB or SB?

Also, MD I 95 is awful north of MM 77 to north of Aberdeen, and frankly the Tydings bridge is inadequate.
Any plans to fix those?

Right now, only the northbound ETL carriage way is being constructed due to lack of available funds. Traffic going north is substantially worse due to the lane drop at MP 77 and the ascending gradient north of MD 24. Unless the plans changed again the northbound ETLs will terminate just north of Exit 80 (MD 543), just before the entrance ramp to Maryland House.

There is a longer-term program to widen I-95 to eight lanes beyond MD 543, across the Susquehanna and throughout Cecil County. In my personal opinion the Tydings Bridge should be expanded sufficiently when the widening occurs to allow for future ETL extensions beyond MD 543.

1.  Hmmmm, I wonder how that merge will work with the express lanes ending at the MD House?  That already is a bad merge due to it being a left hand one...would it have been better to do the merge after the MD House not before?

2.  I disagree about NB 95 being worse; SB 95 from Aberdeen to exit 77, and really to the local express lanes, sucks. 
Man, MD REALLY sucks compared to VA, the express lanes should  be bi-directional or at least reversible.
Moreover, I hate how they don't incentivize HOV.

3.  Do you have any links to the plans to make 95 eight lanes to Cecil County.

4.  IMO, for this section of 95, it should be:
-12 lanes to exit 80 (4 free + 2 HOT)
-10 lanes exit 80 across the Tydings (3 free + 2 HOT)
-8 lanes in Cecil county to DE

This is a long distance corridor crowded well beyond peak.

Regarding the left entrance/exit to Maryland House at the end of the ETLs, 8 have no idea what the plans are to mitigate the weaving. The MdTA used to have an entire plan set posted online but they've since changed their web site and only have info graphics and textual descriptions available. The best place to look for plans is at https://mdta.maryland.gov/I95ETLNB/MD43_to_MD152. Someday I hope I-95 is 10 lanes wide north of MD 543, just as you've said, because the entire route south of Exit 89 carries huge volumes of local commuter traffic to/from Harford County and there needs to be a segregated facility for true long-distance traffic throughout the county.

I disagree with your assertion that the ETLs should be reversible; I am very pleased that the MdTA chose to build non-reversible carriageways. My experiences with the reversible lanes on the Bay Bridge have strongly affected my perception of reversible facilities and I believe that they would not have been successful on I-95 north of Baltimore. As for traffic flows on southbound I-95, I can only say that I far more frequently observed traffic jams on the northbound side in the area I mentioned instead of southbound traffic jams. Regarding the incentivization of HOV, I've never once seen the MdTA even mention that as an option.

Quote from: Alex4897 on August 28, 2021, 01:50:04 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:44:13 AM
2) Also the local/express configuration is 3 local/2 express across the bridge, but it appears there is ample need and space to make it 3 local/3 express, why isn't it this way and are there plans?

I've been wondering the same thing. There's a 650 ft / 1,800 ft chunk on the WB / EB carriageways respectively in the middle of the US 1 interchange where the extra wide left shoulder vanishes inexplicably. Does this have anything to do with it?

The empty space on the inside of the inner spans of the Wilson Bridge was built to provide passive provision for a public transit facility. Everything from bus lanes, to tramways, to light rail, to even a heavy rail Metro facility, has been debated for that empty space. Scott Kozel's Roads to the Future pages on the project have extensive commentary on this topic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 10:47:23 AM
Thanks, you mis understood me on reversible express lanes.
I meant, if they are ONLY building it NB, then make it reversible, but ideally, build it bi-directional.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 28, 2021, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 28, 2021, 07:10:33 AM
Quote from: Alex4897 on August 28, 2021, 01:50:04 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:44:13 AM
2) Also the local/express configuration is 3 local/2 express across the bridge, but it appears there is ample need and space to make it 3 local/3 express, why isn't it this way and are there plans?

I've been wondering the same thing. There's a 650 ft / 1,800 ft chunk on the WB / EB carriageways respectively in the middle of the US 1 interchange where the extra wide left shoulder vanishes inexplicably. Does this have anything to do with it?

The empty space on the inside of the inner spans of the Wilson Bridge was built to provide passive provision for a public transit facility. Everything from bus lanes, to tramways, to light rail, to even a heavy rail Metro facility, has been debated for that empty space. Scott Kozel's Roads to the Future pages on the project have extensive commentary on this topic.

It's more than just that.  Long-term plans (which the project accommodated for) include an HOV/HOT interchange at Route 1.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 29, 2021, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 10:47:23 AM
Thanks, you mis understood me on reversible express lanes.
I meant, if they are ONLY building it NB, then make it reversible, but ideally, build it bi-directional.

Everything I have read strongly implies that the MdTA fully intends to build a southbound ETL extension, and that the only thing preventing it is their inability to finance it, given their current financial commitments. Now that the Canton Viaduct and the Key Bridge toll plaza elimination are finished, I suspect that the MdTA will be working steadily on finishing the removal of the Bay Bridge toll plaza and the Tydings Bridge toll plaza and continuing their work on the northbound ETLs and the new Nice Bridge. I wouldn't expect the southbound ETLs to be extended until late this decade.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 30, 2021, 07:11:12 PM
They've been working on the ETLs between 74 and 77 for a while now, I believe.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on August 30, 2021, 09:29:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:42:04 AM
...would it have been better to do the merge after the MD House not before?
This raises a different question.  If the ETL lanes were to be extended past MD House, how would traffic in the non-ETL lanes access the median-based service plaza, if the toll lanes are "in the way"?

Best method IMHO would be to have flyover ramps from (and to) the right lanes of the mainline.  This would eliminate those pesky left exits and entrances.  The ETL traffic could use the existing surface ramps.  Heck, may as well add flyovers to Chesapeake and Delaware House while we're at it.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 30, 2021, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 30, 2021, 07:11:12 PM
They've been working on the ETLs between 74 and 77 for a while now, I believe.

The most prominent work I've observed has been the replacement of the overpasses for the local county roads north of the Big Gunpowder River. The largest projects not yet started are the replacement of the Mountain Road and Old Mountain Road overpasses at Exit 74, and the expansion/redecking of the northbound bridges over the Big and Little Gunpowder Rivers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on August 31, 2021, 12:19:41 AM
So this project will bring the NB ETL to exit 77 or exit 80?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on August 31, 2021, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 30, 2021, 09:29:38 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 01:42:04 AM
...would it have been better to do the merge after the MD House not before?
This raises a different question.  If the ETL lanes were to be extended past MD House, how would traffic in the non-ETL lanes access the median-based service plaza, if the toll lanes are "in the way"?

Best method IMHO would be to have flyover ramps from (and to) the right lanes of the mainline.  This would eliminate those pesky left exits and entrances.  The ETL traffic could use the existing surface ramps.  Heck, may as well add flyovers to Chesapeake and Delaware House while we're at it.


Hypotheticals.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 31, 2021, 08:56:34 AM
While we're on the subject of I-95/JFK Highway:

I drove the stretch the weekend before last, and it looks like MDTA is getting closer to moving traffic into the temporary configuration thru now-demolished lanes 6-8 at the toll plaza - much of the pavement immediately preceding the plaza has been milled down, and asphalt paving across the former lanes & booths appeared to be well underway.

Additionally, these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5855057,-76.0917278,3a,75y,89.53h,91.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd82r3LRKTcyJyrSf1G_F1g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) located on approach to the toll plaza have been removed and replaced with all-electronic tolling signage similar to what was installed at the Key & Bay Bridges (which means in the immediate short term, there is little warning of the upcoming toll plaza).  There were also 2 new ground-mounted signs installed in the median between exits 85 & 89 indicating all-electronic tolling and the toll rate (only showing the discounted MD E-ZPass rate, per usual with MDTA).

Upon returning southbound the next day, it appeared the new toll gantry was sitting in the median, roughly here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5854808,-76.0896469,3a,75y,357.24h,83.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3cHDhEriaXpOsEb6bxt7OQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), awaiting erection in the near future.

Finally, on a nitpicking note: the blue "TOLL" banner (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5752254,-76.1312702,3a,44.9y,77.68h,86.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s23RlVIykM00jLLo7oE-n7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) on this shield assembly past exit 89 was replaced with a proper yellow one  :D
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 03, 2021, 09:31:47 PM
Has the MdTA made any official announcements about the implementation of two-way tolling at the former one-way toll locations? It looks like a westbound gantry has been passively provisioned at the Bay Bridge near the existing eastbound gantry.

The MD 32 widening is progressing very well, but I am curious about the relocation of the Middle Patuxent River. Was it relocated to minimize flood risks to the new carriage ways? Was it relocated for storm water management?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 04, 2021, 11:04:30 AM
I just looked up the MD 97 Brookeville Bypass project, and completion has been pushed back to the end of the next year. (https://mdot-sha-md97-brookeville-bypass-mo7465171-r-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

QuoteThe Maryland Department of Transportation State Highway Administration (MDOT SHA) continues work on the MD 97 (Georgia Avenue) dual lane construction ("Brookeville Bypass" ) project.

After the most recent review of the project's schedule, it has been determined that additional time will be needed  to complete the project. Progress permitting, the new estimated completion date for the project is year-end 2022. The previously  announced estimated completion date for the project was late summer 2021.

The new estimated completion date for the project is directly attributable to a bridge redesign work, utility relocation delays, slope repair and excavation work delays, weather and impacts of COVID-19 on the scheduling availability of work crews.

Through the end of the project, MDOT SHA will continue to intermittently close lanes on the following roads:

-   MD 97 from north of Gold Mine Road to south of Holiday Drive–weekdays 8 a.m. to  4 p.m. and overnight, Sunday through Thursday, 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.

-   Brighton Dam Road near MD 97–weekdays, 7 a.m. to 5 p.m., and weekends, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Additional work times and lane closures may be needed to expedite all phases of work and keep the project on schedule. Equipment used for construction may be disruptive.

Bridge abutment work will continue from now through the end of the year. As abutment work continues, crews will turn their attention to soil/slope/roadway stabilization and stream restoration work. Once those items are complete, crews will have a pathway to perform concrete and rebar work for the project.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 04, 2021, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 03, 2021, 09:31:47 PM
Has the MdTA made any official announcements about the implementation of two-way tolling at the former one-way toll locations? It looks like a westbound gantry has been passively provisioned at the Bay Bridge near the existing eastbound gantry.

The MD 32 widening is progressing very well, but I am curious about the relocation of the Middle Patuxent River. Was it relocated to minimize flood risks to the new carriage ways? Was it relocated for storm water management?

I thought MDTA was installing an automated gate system for the two-way traffic. I imagine that could be for a VMS?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 05, 2021, 01:49:24 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 03, 2021, 09:31:47 PM
Has the MdTA made any official announcements about the implementation of two-way tolling at the former one-way toll locations? It looks like a westbound gantry has been passively provisioned at the Bay Bridge near the existing eastbound gantry.

That might be for a virtual weigh station.

I saw nothing in the current Consolidated Transportation Program that implied a change to two-way electronic toll collection (though IMO it is a good idea).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on September 05, 2021, 04:26:50 PM
From a text Bob sent me:

Gov. Hogan Announces Plans To Expand Route 90 (https://www.wboc.com/story/44601660/gov-hogan-announces-plans-to-expand-route-90)

QuoteOCEAN CITY, Md.- At the Maryland Association of Counties conference in Ocean City, Gov. Larry Hogan announced that the state plans to fund a project planning phase for Route 90 improvements.

Quote"In fact, while we are here in Ocean City, I am pleased to announce for the first time here today that our new CTP [Consolidated Transportation Program] will include funding for the planning of the long-awaited and desperately needed MD Route 90–the gateway to Ocean City–project," the governor said.

QuoteMore details will be available about the plans in early September when the state releases the Consolidated Transportation Program.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 05, 2021, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 05, 2021, 04:26:50 PM
From a text Bob sent me:

Gov. Hogan Announces Plans To Expand Route 90 (https://www.wboc.com/story/44601660/gov-hogan-announces-plans-to-expand-route-90)

QuoteOCEAN CITY, Md.- At the Maryland Association of Counties conference in Ocean City, Gov. Larry Hogan announced that the state plans to fund a project planning phase for Route 90 improvements.

Quote"In fact, while we are here in Ocean City, I am pleased to announce for the first time here today that our new CTP [Consolidated Transportation Program] will include funding for the planning of the long-awaited and desperately needed MD Route 90–the gateway to Ocean City–project," the governor said.

QuoteMore details will be available about the plans in early September when the state releases the Consolidated Transportation Program.

The obvious solution from my perspective is a grade separation on the Isle of Wight and a new carriageway west of the Ocean Parkway underpass. Constructing a new pair of long bridges across Assawoman Bay and the St Martin River would be very expensive, and if the Isle of Wight intersection can be replaced I think the existing bridges might be just sufficient.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on September 06, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
Quote from: Alex on September 05, 2021, 04:26:50 PM
From a text Bob sent me:

Gov. Hogan Announces Plans To Expand Route 90 (https://www.wboc.com/story/44601660/gov-hogan-announces-plans-to-expand-route-90)

QuoteOCEAN CITY, Md.- At the Maryland Association of Counties conference in Ocean City, Gov. Larry Hogan announced that the state plans to fund a project planning phase for Route 90 improvements.

Quote"In fact, while we are here in Ocean City, I am pleased to announce for the first time here today that our new CTP [Consolidated Transportation Program] will include funding for the planning of the long-awaited and desperately needed MD Route 90–the gateway to Ocean City–project," the governor said.

QuoteMore details will be available about the plans in early September when the state releases the Consolidated Transportation Program.
expect the addition of bikey-wikey lanes and roundabouts!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2021, 10:38:48 AM
First ramp meters ever in Maryland.

WTOP Radio: Ramp metering system starts on I-270 (https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2021/09/ramp-metering-system-for-i-270-goes-into-effect-wednesday-morning/?fbclid=IwAR283PmnxAr4enSUrfV69oUJmAxXwScdIeNNeT5jQ-5tYm7fctndm_eM7uM).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 15, 2021, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2021, 10:38:48 AM
First ramp meters ever in Maryland.

WTOP Radio: Ramp metering system starts on I-270 (https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2021/09/ramp-metering-system-for-i-270-goes-into-effect-wednesday-morning/?fbclid=IwAR283PmnxAr4enSUrfV69oUJmAxXwScdIeNNeT5jQ-5tYm7fctndm_eM7uM).

Interesting that the meters are giving both lanes a green light simultaneously.  In other locales, only one lane gets a green at a time so there's no worry about merging into one lane on the ramp and then merging into traffic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 15, 2021, 06:19:34 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 15, 2021, 02:32:59 PM
Interesting that the meters are giving both lanes a green light simultaneously.  In other locales, only one lane gets a green at a time so there's no worry about merging into one lane on the ramp and then merging into traffic.

The meters with more than one lane (not including HOV queue jumpers) I have seen in California seem to allow one vehicle in each lane to go, and are both green at the same time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 17, 2021, 11:26:08 AM
WTOP Radio: Maryland toll authority was unaware it was overcharging motorists, audit finds (https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/09/maryland-toll-authority-was-unaware-it-was-overcharging-motorists-audit-finds/)

QuoteThe Maryland Transportation Authority, which operates toll facilities around the state, didn't know it was overcharging motorists, a review by legislative auditors concluded.

QuoteEven after billing mistakes were flagged in December 2019, the authority conducted only "limited"  reviews to determine the extent of the problem, according to the report.

QuoteDel. Al Carr (D-Montgomery), who has tracked MDTA issues, noted that period covered by the audit – May 10, 2016 to March 4, 2020 – ended long ago. He said the true scope of Maryland's toll-collection problem goes deeper than the report uncovered.

The entire audit report can be found here (https://www.ola.state.md.us/umbraco/Api/ReportFile/GetReport?fileId=6140bacea1ce580b84c93f72).

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on September 20, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
Drove around Baltimore yesterday and noticed the US-40 bridge at Hamilton Pkwy is almost done and the ancient button copy on US-40 in that area is replaced.  IDK about the Pkwy itself as I didn't drive on it.

Some of the ancient button copy on MD-295 is also replaced with the Triple Bridges project.  To me that's huge.  The plans called for the signs to be replaced in 2023, so they are replacing some of them early.  The replacements are in Clearview.  UGH!

So far the following is gone:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51014803627_866c21e847_c.jpg)
This was replaced, also another sign was added a 1 Mile advance sign for the Westport exit. In Clearview.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51013423888_5ecb94d57b_c.jpg)
This was replaced as well and now has an "Exit Only" panel at the bottom, so maybe they're adding a lane?  The "Exit Only" panel was still covered up. Also in Clearview.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kj3400 on September 22, 2021, 12:56:06 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on September 20, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
Drove around Baltimore yesterday and noticed the US-40 bridge at Hamilton Pkwy is almost done and the ancient button copy on US-40 in that area is replaced.  IDK about the Pkwy itself as I didn't drive on it.

It's Hilton Pkwy. I was sitting here wondering what bridge as I only knew of one bridge on US 40 in the city under construction. Anyways, it's about time, and I know the Herring Run Bridge on MD 147/Harford Rd is almost finished too.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on September 23, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
Speaking of things that are or may be gone soon, I-170 is targeted for removal, but we've heard that many times before. In fact, the only part that was actually removed is the unused elevated section west of US 1, along with the onramp going west. This time, though, the entire freeway is likely to be destroyed, if a new infrastructure bill ends up getting passed.

Below is a 2000 essay by Terry Wikberg that provides a more detailed look at the 10-D and 3-A systems and their respective failures to provide a complete citywide network:

https://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://en.wikipedia.org/&httpsredir=1&article=1012&context=mlh_pubs

Another good read is this blog and the part Robert Moses (whose buildings and highways nearly destroyed New York) played in it:

https://communityarchitectdaily.blogspot.com/2016/04/the-ultimate-insult-highway-to-nowhere.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 23, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
This might not normally be on-topic here, even though many of the members here like
Sheetz (including me).  But the location of the new Sheetz in Anne Arundel County makes
it relevant, the (I believe) current site of a Shell Station on MD-170 (Aviation Boulevard) at
Air Cargo Drive (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B011'22.6%22N+76%C2%B040'13.5%22W/@39.1896132,-76.6715121,429m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xe881b7244dd015bd!2sNorth+Linthicum!8m2!3d39.2144116!4d-76.6459396!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.1896197!4d-76.6704263) and GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1900482,-76.6710175,3a,75y,153.7h,93.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s82fr-l9yQL_s9c8BazUKXA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) - this is part of the land that makes up BWI Airport, and
is owned by the Maryland Department of Transportation (MDOT) through the Maryland
Aviation Administration (MAA).

WBAL-TV (11): Sheetz to open first Anne Arundel County location (https://www.wbaltv.com/article/sheetz-first-anne-arundel-county-location/37696166?fbclid=IwAR1h3CKzznesETCWXM3zYBYLhrY8Fl744L0nyh6FUIfCwQouu21DM06S2H4)

QuoteSheetz is posed for takeoff on another Greater Baltimore store.

QuoteThe Pennsylvania-based convenience chain, which mostly has a presence in the western
part of Maryland, is developing a gas station and store at Baltimore-Washington International
Thurgood Marshall Airport.

QuoteThe Maryland Board of Public Works approved a sublease for the location last week after
previously awarding a contract in January 2020 to PMG BWI Airport Plaza Developers LLC to
develop the site. Falls Church, Virginia-based PMG Airport Plazas builds and operates service plazas
at airports across the country and already operates an existing gas station and convenience
store at BWI-Marshall.


The Maryland Board of Public Works has to approve deals of this type, and below is the relevant text from the
BPW agenda (https://bpw.maryland.gov/MeetingDocs/2021-Sept-15-Agenda.pdf) (starting page 55)  package:

QuoteThe  contractor  was  awarded  a  contract  to  operate  two  sites  on 
Airport property.  The contractor proposed one brand to operate Site 1 and Site 2 which are less
than  two  miles  apart.    In  order  to  diversify,  the  contractor  solicited  interested  parties  willing  to 
sublease Site 1.  After Board of Public Works approval to allow the contractor to sublet Site 1, the
contractor has negotiated sublease terms and conditions with a nationally recognized gas station
and convenience store concept, SHEETZ, Inc.

QuoteDue to the length of time to negotiate such sublease, MDOT  MAA  and  the  contractor 
wish  to  further  modify  the  contractor's  lease  and  its  Pre-Construction  Period  for  Site  1 
to  coincide  with  the  execution  date  of  the  new  sublease  with  SHEETZ, Inc.    This type of
revenue-producing contract at a transportation facility is outside the scope of the State
Procurement  Law.  See  State  Finance  and  Procurement  Article,  Section  11-202(3);  COMAR 
21.01.03.03.B(1)(d).  However,  the  contract  must  be  approved  by  the  Board  of  Public  Works 
because  the  contract  constitutes  the  use  and  lease  of  State  property  under  State  Finance  and 
Procurement Article, Section 10-305.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: dlsterner on September 24, 2021, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 23, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
This might not normally be on-topic here, even though many of the members here like
Sheetz (including me).  But the location of the new Sheetz in Anne Arundel County makes
it relevant, the (I believe) current site of a Shell Station on MD-170 (Aviation Boulevard) at
Air Cargo Drive (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B011'22.6%22N+76%C2%B040'13.5%22W/@39.1896132,-76.6715121,429m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xe881b7244dd015bd!2sNorth+Linthicum!8m2!3d39.2144116!4d-76.6459396!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.1896197!4d-76.6704263) and GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1900482,-76.6710175,3a,75y,153.7h,93.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s82fr-l9yQL_s9c8BazUKXA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) - this is part of the land that makes up BWI Airport, and
is owned by the Maryland Department of Transportation (MDOT) through the Maryland
Aviation Administration (MAA).

For what it's worth, the Baltimore Business Journal suggests that the Sheetz site will be a bit further south, at the intersection of Aviation Boulevard and Amtrak Way.  The site is a former parking lot across the street from the Northrop Grumman plant.

https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2021/09/22/sheetz-to-open-first-anne-arundel-county-location.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2021/09/22/sheetz-to-open-first-anne-arundel-county-location.html)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 24, 2021, 10:28:50 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on September 24, 2021, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 23, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
This might not normally be on-topic here, even though many of the members here like
Sheetz (including me).  But the location of the new Sheetz in Anne Arundel County makes
it relevant, the (I believe) current site of a Shell Station on MD-170 (Aviation Boulevard) at
Air Cargo Drive (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B011'22.6%22N+76%C2%B040'13.5%22W/@39.1896132,-76.6715121,429m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xe881b7244dd015bd!2sNorth+Linthicum!8m2!3d39.2144116!4d-76.6459396!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.1896197!4d-76.6704263) and GSV here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1900482,-76.6710175,3a,75y,153.7h,93.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s82fr-l9yQL_s9c8BazUKXA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) - this is part of the land that makes up BWI Airport, and
is owned by the Maryland Department of Transportation (MDOT) through the Maryland
Aviation Administration (MAA).

For what it's worth, the Baltimore Business Journal suggests that the Sheetz site will be a bit further south, at the intersection of Aviation Boulevard and Amtrak Way.  The site is a former parking lot across the street from the Northrop Grumman plant.

https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2021/09/22/sheetz-to-open-first-anne-arundel-county-location.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2021/09/22/sheetz-to-open-first-anne-arundel-county-location.html)


I was paywalled from that - thanks for sharing.  That is an even better location for persons looking to return rental cars with a full tank, which is south of there off of MD-170.

Possible new Sheetz location here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B011'04.7%22N+76%C2%B041'26.2%22W/@39.184643,-76.6927993,857m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m9!1m2!2m1!1sbwi!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.1846442!4d-76.6906051).

GSV of site as it appeared in 2019 here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1847836,-76.6898313,3a,75y,271.87h,79.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUmehcc0g0sDx6nvg8hbLFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on September 24, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
Sheetz has been getting pretty aggressive with its locations lately. They recently opened one right across the street from both Wawa and 7-11 on Airport Dr near Richmond International Airport

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wSt66ckteBc3oJvJ7
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 25, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
Quote from: plain on September 24, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
Sheetz has been getting pretty aggressive with its locations lately. They recently opened one right across the street from both Wawa and 7-11 on Airport Dr near Richmond International Airport

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wSt66ckteBc3oJvJ7

It appears on the map not to be on airport property, but maybe Sheetz is trying to open up a new market (for them) of locations near airports to capture rental car customers that need to return the car with a full tank of fuel?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 25, 2021, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 25, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
Quote from: plain on September 24, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
Sheetz has been getting pretty aggressive with its locations lately. They recently opened one right across the street from both Wawa and 7-11 on Airport Dr near Richmond International Airport

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wSt66ckteBc3oJvJ7

It appears on the map not to be on airport property, but maybe Sheetz is trying to open up a new market (for them) of locations near airports to capture rental car customers that need to return the car with a full tank of fuel?

It was in the process of being built when I drove through the area in November 2020.  I think it is just part of their expansion in the Richmond area.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 25, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
Official BWI Airport press release:

Sheetz to Develop First Anne Arundel County Store Location at BWI Thurgood Marshall Airport (https://www.bwiairport.com/flying-with-us/about-bwi/press-media/september-22-2021-sheetz-to-develop-first-anne-arundel-county)

QuoteSheetz, a major Mid-Atlantic restaurant and convenience chain, will build a
new store location at the intersection of Aviation Boulevard and Amtrak Way, on
the northwest side of the airport. The new location will sit at the approximately
4-acre site near the BWI Rail Station and the airport's consolidated rental car
facility. Sheetz was voted Best Regional Fast Food Chain by USA Today in 2020.

Quote"We are excited to welcome Sheetz to the airport and the local community,"  
said Ricky Smith, Executive Director of BWI Marshall Airport. "The new store
location will offer excellent service for our passengers, rental car customers,
employees, and local residents. The popular, high quality Sheetz brand will reinforce
our commitment to offer a convenient, modern airport with outstanding amenities."


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 25, 2021, 04:56:53 PM
They chose that location very deliberately. Not only will it be very well patronized by people returning their rental cars to the facility off of New Ridge Road, but it will also grab a significant share of the commuter traffic to the Northrop Grumman facility, anyone headed to the Amtrak station, and all of the BWI Trail users.

I will be very interested to see if this Sheetz location will encourage or discourage use of their parking for anyone seeking entry to the BWI Trail. The only free parking in the area is the eastbound shoulder of Elkridge Landing Road near the intersection with Terminal Road and it regularly fills up with trail users. The parking at the Thomas Dixon Observation Area is regularly full, and the only other area where trail users could park to access the trail is Andover Park. If Sheetz doesn't drive away trail users they could realize a LOT of business from individuals using the trail for exercise, families, and people who commute along the trail.

On a road-related topic, I wonder if Amtrak Way (unsigned MD 995) will be significantly altered as a result of developing the ingress/egress from Sheetz. The stub of Stoney Run Road that once led to the PRR level crossing will probably have its intersection replaced with a RIRO to allow southbound MD 170 traffic to get into and out of the Sheetz parking lot. When could we expect to see a project entry on the Maryland Roads Portal?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 25, 2021, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 25, 2021, 04:56:53 PM
They chose that location very deliberately. Not only will it be very well patronized by people returning their rental cars to the facility off of New Ridge Road, but it will also grab a significant share of the commuter traffic to the Northrop Grumman facility, anyone headed to the Amtrak station, and all of the BWI Trail users.

From the perspective of a location for a gas station, it is perfect - and
there is resident population  and plenty of off-airport and on-airport
employment close by who may come by for MTO or similar.  MARC and
Amtrak patrons may stop by to get food or drink, much like departing
airline passengers.

There is a RoFo south of there on MD-170, but I suspect that the
demand for Sheetz (at least initially) might be similar to a new
Sonic - as in overwhelming (is that "induced" demand?).

QuoteI will be very interested to see if this Sheetz location will
encourage or discourage use of their parking for anyone seeking
entry to the BWI Trail. The only free parking in the area is the
eastbound shoulder of Elkridge Landing Road near the intersection
with Terminal Road and it regularly fills up with trail users. The
parking at the Thomas Dixon Observation Area is regularly full,
and the only other area where trail users could park to access
the trail is Andover Park. If Sheetz doesn't drive away trail users
they could realize a LOT of business from individuals using the
trail for exercise, families, and people who commute along the
trail.

I do not know.  I do know that the BWI trail was originally built
for airport-area employees so maybe they did not give much
consideration to parking.

QuoteOn a road-related topic, I wonder if Amtrak Way (unsigned
MD 995) will be significantly altered as a result of developing the
ingress/egress from Sheetz. The stub of Stoney Run Road that
once led to the PRR level crossing will probably have its intersection
replaced with a RIRO to allow southbound MD 170 traffic to get into
and out of the Sheetz parking lot. When could we expect to see a
project entry on the Maryland Roads Portal?

I suppose it could be an MAA project.  Or maybe SHA will do the
work and solicit construction bids for the project and get reimbursed?

That was one of the relatively few grade crossings in Anne Arundel
County of (what is now) the Northeast Corridor.  Maybe the only
one I can remember.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 02, 2021, 09:24:08 PM
The construction of the MD-210 interchange at Kerby Hill road is almost complete from what I saw on this recent Google streetview taken last August May.
https://goo.gl/maps/WNmVUNjMQZNhx7B78
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cb98 on October 03, 2021, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 31, 2021, 08:56:34 AM
Finally, on a nitpicking note: the blue "TOLL" banner (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5752254,-76.1312702,3a,44.9y,77.68h,86.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s23RlVIykM00jLLo7oE-n7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) on this shield assembly past exit 89 was replaced with a proper yellow one  :D
It was sometime around late July/August when that was changed. I drove through that area on July 11 and snagged a pic of it :)

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 02, 2021, 09:24:08 PM
The construction of the MD-210 interchange at Kerby Hill road is almost complete from what I saw on this recent Google streetview taken last August May.
https://goo.gl/maps/WNmVUNjMQZNhx7B78
Drove by here last week, I remember seeing signs for Kerby Hill Rd but didn't see if it was open in full. I was too frustrated with the bad drivers lol
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on October 06, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
Any reason why I-95 north of Baltimore uses 'New York' as the control city?
IMO Wilmington or Philadelphia would be better and more fair.
On one hand Philadelphia is the big city and it deserves more of a mention but Wilmington is closer and where the major split to 295 occurs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2021, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 06, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
Any reason why I-95 north of Baltimore uses 'New York' as the control city?
IMO Wilmington or Philadelphia would be better and more fair.
On one hand Philadelphia is the big city and it deserves more of a mention but Wilmington is closer and where the major split to 295 occurs.
More people are going to New York, but I would want to see Wilmington as the next city. (Listing two is fine.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on October 06, 2021, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 06, 2021, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 06, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
Any reason why I-95 north of Baltimore uses 'New York' as the control city?
IMO Wilmington or Philadelphia would be better and more fair.
On one hand Philadelphia is the big city and it deserves more of a mention but Wilmington is closer and where the major split to 295 occurs.
More people are going to New York, but I would want to see Wilmington as the next city. (Listing two is fine.)
They're also assumed to be taking the New Jersey Turnpike, therefore bypassing Wilmington, Philadelphia and Trenton.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 07, 2021, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on October 06, 2021, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 06, 2021, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 06, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
Any reason why I-95 north of Baltimore uses 'New York' as the control city?
IMO Wilmington or Philadelphia would be better and more fair.
On one hand Philadelphia is the big city and it deserves more of a mention but Wilmington is closer and where the major split to 295 occurs.
More people are going to New York, but I would want to see Wilmington as the next city. (Listing two is fine.)
They're also assumed to be taking the New Jersey Turnpike, therefore bypassing Wilmington, Philadelphia and Trenton.
But I-95 goes to those (well, now two of the three) so you should list them as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on October 07, 2021, 07:33:12 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 06, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
Any reason why I-95 north of Baltimore uses 'New York' as the control city?
IMO Wilmington or Philadelphia would be better and more fair.
On one hand Philadelphia is the big city and it deserves more of a mention but Wilmington is closer and where the major split to 295 occurs.

Because they wanted something for the pedants on this forum to discuss ad nauseam.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 08, 2021, 11:42:44 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2021, 07:33:12 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on October 06, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
Any reason why I-95 north of Baltimore uses 'New York' as the control city?
IMO Wilmington or Philadelphia would be better and more fair.
On one hand Philadelphia is the big city and it deserves more of a mention but Wilmington is closer and where the major split to 295 occurs.

Because they wanted something for the pedants on this forum to discuss ad nauseam.

:-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2021, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 07, 2021, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on October 06, 2021, 10:34:14 PM
They're also assumed to be taking the New Jersey Turnpike, therefore bypassing Wilmington, Philadelphia and Trenton.
But I-95 goes to those (well, now two of the three) so you should list them as well.

When the part of I-95 that became the JFK Highway in Maryland (originally Northeast Expressway) and Delaware (also Delaware Turnpike) opened in 1963, there was no Delaware Expressway to Center City in Philadelphia and no I-95 to Exit 10 on the New Jersey Turnpike - the alternatives were not a desirable through route  to New York, so Maryland used N J Turnpike as the control city for I-95 northbound north of Baltimore and eventually that became New York.  While not ever signed as such south of Exit 6 (and not really south of Exit 10 until recently), the New Jersey Turnpike from Exit 1 to Exit 10 (along with I-295 across the Delaware Memorial Bridge) was the de-facto I-95 for all those years.   

Over 50 years after the JFK Highway opened, there is now a completed I-95 from Philadelphia to Exit 10 on the N J Turnpike and New York, so it could be signed as Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York by Maryland.  The governors of Delaware and Pennsylvania probably need to lobby their counterpart in Maryland to get that to happen.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2021, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2021, 07:33:12 AM
Because they wanted something for the pedants on this forum to discuss ad nauseam.

Agree.

But it does bother me that MDTA, otherwise an agency with good signs along its roads, refuses to sign Wilmington and Philadelphia on  I-95 northbound.

The AASHTO control cities (https://traffic.transportation.org/interstate-control-cities/) for I-95 N in this area are as follows:
IMO no need for Maryland to sign Chester and Trenton.

Southbound I-95 on JFK Highway mostly signs two local cities and Baltimore.  As it approaches I-695 (Exit 64), Washington, D.C. appears.  Richmond is not mentioned until far beyond JFK Highway and south of the southern I-895 half interchange (Exit 46 northbound) in Howard County.  In the past, I think Richmond was mentioned on JFK Highway southbound but not any longer.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on October 11, 2021, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 31, 2021, 08:56:34 AM
[multi-paragraph post about I-95/JFK Highway AET conversion]

While heading up the JFK Highway stretch of I-95 this past Thursday for the first time since making the above post, I managed to snag a few pictures of the items I typed up previously.

First, a new sign on the same gantry that previously held this (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5411941,-76.1712133,3a,75y,36.05h,85.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGZMnv_S6YxEtlauMmfpOaA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en):
(https://i.ibb.co/vLdY0kT/JFK-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DwMp0Qv)

Then, the 2 new ground-mounted signs in the median approaching exit 89:
(https://i.ibb.co/XsYwmyB/JFK-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zR6kK8c)

(https://i.ibb.co/5xpnxnm/JFK-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yBvYBYt)

Followed by the new signage on the same gantry that previously held this (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5855069,-76.0918358,3a,75y,102.69h,89.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sx2CxQRsaYFOslAhWlXWbIA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en):
(https://i.ibb.co/zsFf3d0/JFK-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LSrpTK2)

The new toll gantry is now installed (which wasn't yet the case as of my previous post) about 3/4 mile south of the existing toll plaza:
(https://i.ibb.co/H7XJWbM/JFK-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/31kJDj8)

And finally, here is the toll plaza as of last Thursday - it certainly looks like they're close to being ready to flip the switch:
(https://i.ibb.co/5k8ddjy/JFK-6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vNwwFq)

(https://i.ibb.co/0FKcPxW/JFK-7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tb1kzsn)

(https://i.ibb.co/RyHfXfT/JFK-8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tXCg0gp)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 11, 2021, 11:40:52 AM
I don't get why Maryland won't at least post the video toll rate. They only post the MD E-ZPass rate now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 12, 2021, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 11, 2021, 11:40:52 AM
I don't get why Maryland won't at least post the video toll rate. They only post the MD E-ZPass rate now.

E-ZPass is very common in suburban Maryland because of the formerly legendary backups at the cash lanes at the Bay Bridge toll plaza. I suspect the MdTA doesn't post the video toll rate because very few people would care (because they have E-ZPass), and the remainder who would care probably already know what the rate is.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on October 12, 2021, 09:47:09 PM
Speaking of which, why was the Bay Bridge toll gantry moved to Kent Island? I don't see why they couldn't have built the gantry using the footprint of the old toll plaza.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 12, 2021, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 12, 2021, 09:47:09 PM
Speaking of which, why was the Bay Bridge toll gantry moved to Kent Island? I don't see why they couldn't have built the gantry using the footprint of the old toll plaza.

A new gantry on Kent Island could be designed, built, tested and placed into use without disrupting the removal of the existing plaza or the installation of the new flow control barrier system. Maintaining a large gantry full of electronics in the midst of a building site that is attempting to substantially revise the entire roadway would have been very difficult.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on October 12, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 12, 2021, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 11, 2021, 11:40:52 AM
I don't get why Maryland won't at least post the video toll rate. They only post the MD E-ZPass rate now.

E-ZPass is very common in suburban Maryland because of the formerly legendary backups at the cash lanes at the Bay Bridge toll plaza. I suspect the MdTA doesn't post the video toll rate because very few people would care (because they have E-ZPass), and the remainder who would care probably already know what the rate is.

Still, there are plenty of people who don't have an E-ZPass (let alone an MD issued one). They should've shown the other rate in some capacity.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on October 14, 2021, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2021, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 07, 2021, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on October 06, 2021, 10:34:14 PM
They're also assumed to be taking the New Jersey Turnpike, therefore bypassing Wilmington, Philadelphia and Trenton.
But I-95 goes to those (well, now two of the three) so you should list them as well.

When the part of I-95 that became the JFK Highway in Maryland (originally Northeast Expressway) and Delaware (also Delaware Turnpike) opened in 1963, there was no Delaware Expressway to Center City in Philadelphia and no I-95 to Exit 10 on the New Jersey Turnpike - the alternatives were not a desirable through route  to New York, so Maryland used N J Turnpike as the control city for I-95 northbound north of Baltimore and eventually that became New York.  While not ever signed as such south of Exit 6 (and not really south of Exit 10 until recently), the New Jersey Turnpike from Exit 1 to Exit 10 (along with I-295 across the Delaware Memorial Bridge) was the de-facto I-95 for all those years.   

Over 50 years after the JFK Highway opened, there is now a completed I-95 from Philadelphia to Exit 10 on the N J Turnpike and New York, so it could be signed as Wilmington, Philadelphia and New York by Maryland.  The governors of Delaware and Pennsylvania probably need to lobby their counterpart in Maryland to get that to happen.
Thank you, that makes sense.  Well past time to change it, and Wilmington makes most sense due to the 95/295/495 split there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on October 22, 2021, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: plain on October 12, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 12, 2021, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 11, 2021, 11:40:52 AM
I don't get why Maryland won't at least post the video toll rate. They only post the MD E-ZPass rate now.
E-ZPass is very common in suburban Maryland because of the formerly legendary backups at the cash lanes at the Bay Bridge toll plaza. I suspect the MdTA doesn't post the video toll rate because very few people would care (because they have E-ZPass), and the remainder who would care probably already know what the rate is.
Still, there are plenty of people who don't have an E-ZPass (let alone an MD issued one). They should've shown the other rate in some capacity.

Good news - it seems someone from MDTA read this thread! Didn't get any pictures because it was night, but as of this evening the following has been added on all 3 of the toll rate signs (in the extra space above the Maryland E-ZPass rate):

"VIDEO BY MAIL  $12.00"

Now they just need to add the out-of-state E-ZPass rate and we'll be all set ;-)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 22, 2021, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on October 22, 2021, 08:44:00 PM
Good news - it seems someone from MDTA read this thread! Didn't get any pictures because it was night, but as of this evening the following has been added on all 3 of the toll rate signs (in the extra space above the Maryland E-ZPass rate):

"VIDEO BY MAIL  $12.00"

Now they just need to add the out-of-state E-ZPass rate and we'll be all set ;-)

I've a better idea - forbid all forms of transponder discrimination™ on all U.S. toll roads, save for islands that can only be reached by toll crossings (Staten Island and (maybe) Grand Island, N.Y.) and Sanibel Island, Florida are examples where residents could be granted a discount from list price tolls.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: noelbotevera on October 24, 2021, 03:46:24 PM
Is there a story behind the US 29 freeway? For one thing, it ends at a very odd location BUT there's no hint of a stub.

The only things I can infer from Historic Aerials and USEnds:
-The US 29/US 40 interchange was where US 29 ended for many years, with the new alignment opening in 1955 and the freeway opening around 1970 (the 1971 topo shows the freeway complete to MD 99).
-There is empty land north of MD 99, but this quickly peters out likely because of the Patapsco River to the north.
-The US 29/I-70 interchange is built rather sloppily given that a major movement (70 EB -> 29 SB) is handled by a one lane ramp.  Still, the interchange was built with access to all directions...so why build a full interchange if you don't plan to extend your freeway north?
-SIDENOTE: Whoever designed the US 29/MD 100 interchange in 1998 should've been fired, since I-70 traffic has to weave to the left to reach MD 100. Seriously, left exits in 1998?

My guess is that MDSHA may have wanted to have the option to extend the freeway, but decided that there was no point in extending 29 northward, so I-70 (really MD 99) was a good place to stop.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Roadsguy on October 24, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 24, 2021, 03:46:24 PM
Is there a story behind the US 29 freeway? For one thing, it ends at a very odd location BUT there's no hint of a stub.

The only things I can infer from Historic Aerials and USEnds:
-The US 29/US 40 interchange was where US 29 ended for many years, with the new alignment opening in 1955 and the freeway opening around 1970 (the 1971 topo shows the freeway complete to MD 99).
-There is empty land north of MD 99, but this quickly peters out likely because of the Patapsco River to the north.
-The US 29/I-70 interchange is built rather sloppily given that a major movement (70 EB -> 29 SB) is handled by a one lane ramp.  Still, the interchange was built with access to all directions...so why build a full interchange if you don't plan to extend your freeway north?
-SIDENOTE: Whoever designed the US 29/MD 100 interchange in 1998 should've been fired, since I-70 traffic has to weave to the left to reach MD 100. Seriously, left exits in 1998?

My guess is that MDSHA may have wanted to have the option to extend the freeway, but decided that there was no point in extending 29 northward, so I-70 (really MD 99) was a good place to stop.

They did plan to extend it north to form the northern half of the outer beltway of Baltimore, the southern half of which is formed by MD 100 (numbered similarly to MD 200, the closest thing we have to an outer beltway of Washington, DC). I don't know if it was planned to be designated US 29 or more of MD 100, but I did see at one point a map of the more recently proposed freeways and at-grade expressways in the Baltimore area. This map also indicated that some of this outer beltway would have been an at-grade expressway with interchanges, but I've never been able to find this map again...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 25, 2021, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 24, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
They did plan to extend it north to form the northern half of the outer beltway of Baltimore, the southern half of which is formed by MD 100 (numbered similarly to MD 200, the closest thing we have to an outer beltway of Washington, DC). I don't know if it was planned to be designated US 29 or more of MD 100, but I did see at one point a map of the more recently proposed freeways and at-grade expressways in the Baltimore area. This map also indicated that some of this outer beltway would have been an at-grade expressway with interchanges, but I've never been able to find this map again...

I think there was an expectation of U.S. 29 (or maybe MD-100) running as far north as (what is now) I-795 and maybe beyond to the mostly never-built East/West Highway (signed as part of MD-23 in Harford County and not the same as MD-410 in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, D.C.) which would have connected I-95, I-83, MD-27, U.S. 15 and I-70 (well to the west of Frederick).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on November 02, 2021, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 25, 2021, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 24, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
They did plan to extend it north to form the northern half of the outer beltway of Baltimore, the southern half of which is formed by MD 100 (numbered similarly to MD 200, the closest thing we have to an outer beltway of Washington, DC). I don't know if it was planned to be designated US 29 or more of MD 100, but I did see at one point a map of the more recently proposed freeways and at-grade expressways in the Baltimore area. This map also indicated that some of this outer beltway would have been an at-grade expressway with interchanges, but I've never been able to find this map again...

I think there was an expectation of U.S. 29 (or maybe MD-100) running as far north as (what is now) I-795 and maybe beyond to the mostly never-built East/West Highway (signed as part of MD-23 in Harford County and not the same as MD-410 in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, D.C.) which would have connected I-95, I-83, MD-27, U.S. 15 and I-70 (well to the west of Frederick).

That would be nice for PA traffic heading to DC and points south as a good alternative to I-95.  Of course that probably died like the cancelled outer beltway for Washington.  The latter is needed and could be still done extending I-97 south of Annapolis and having it follow US 301 to Richmond or have it return to I-95 in Ruther Glen, VA with VA 207.

Not only would the 97 designation be useful in its nature, but help long distance travelers passing through the region and provide a better alternative to the the ever growing congestion due to sprawl in Northern Virginia that makes I-95 no fun to travel anymore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on November 02, 2021, 04:29:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 02, 2021, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 25, 2021, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 24, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
They did plan to extend it north to form the northern half of the outer beltway of Baltimore, the southern half of which is formed by MD 100 (numbered similarly to MD 200, the closest thing we have to an outer beltway of Washington, DC). I don't know if it was planned to be designated US 29 or more of MD 100, but I did see at one point a map of the more recently proposed freeways and at-grade expressways in the Baltimore area. This map also indicated that some of this outer beltway would have been an at-grade expressway with interchanges, but I've never been able to find this map again...

I think there was an expectation of U.S. 29 (or maybe MD-100) running as far north as (what is now) I-795 and maybe beyond to the mostly never-built East/West Highway (signed as part of MD-23 in Harford County and not the same as MD-410 in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, D.C.) which would have connected I-95, I-83, MD-27, U.S. 15 and I-70 (well to the west of Frederick).

That would be nice for PA traffic heading to DC and points south as a good alternative to I-95.  Of course that probably died like the cancelled outer beltway for Washington.  The latter is needed and could be still done extending I-97 south of Annapolis and having it follow US 301 to Richmond or have it return to I-95 in Ruther Glen, VA with VA 207.

Not only would the 97 designation be useful in its nature, but help long distance travelers passing through the region and provide a better alternative to the the ever growing congestion due to sprawl in Northern Virginia that makes I-95 no fun to travel anymore.

I think an Outer Beltway is inevitable. In fact, between VA 28 and the ICC, much of it already exists and as more of VA 234's signalized intersections become interchanges, that reality gets closer and closer. Once the Manassas Bypass is finished, Virginia will be all set to build an outer Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 02, 2021, 04:33:18 PM
I think if you were going to wager on something, you'd probably get a better return on the Powerball than you would on the absurd comment in Reply #2181.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on November 02, 2021, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 02, 2021, 04:33:18 PM
I think if you were going to wager on something, you'd probably get a better return on the Powerball than you would on the absurd comment in Reply #2181.
Be nice and remember all content must contribute to the discussion.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 02, 2021, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on November 02, 2021, 04:29:56 PM
I think an Outer Beltway is inevitable. In fact, between VA 28 and the ICC, much of it already exists and as more of VA 234's signalized intersections become interchanges, that reality gets closer and closer. Once the Manassas Bypass is finished, Virginia will be all set to build an outer Beltway.

The reason to build a full Outer Beltway is there but the two counties
which it would pass through in Maryland have deleted all of it except
MD-200 from all planning maps and other documents, so I do not
believe it will happen in the coming decades.  Anything is possible
50 to 100 years out, but I do not take any of it seriously.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on November 03, 2021, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 02, 2021, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on November 02, 2021, 04:29:56 PM
I think an Outer Beltway is inevitable. In fact, between VA 28 and the ICC, much of it already exists and as more of VA 234's signalized intersections become interchanges, that reality gets closer and closer. Once the Manassas Bypass is finished, Virginia will be all set to build an outer Beltway.

The reason to build a full Outer Beltway is there but the two counties
which it would pass through in Maryland have deleted all of it except
MD-200 from all planning maps and other documents, so I do not
believe it will happen in the coming decades.  Anything is possible
50 to 100 years out, but I do not take any of it seriously.

If the widening of the AL Bridge doesn't fix the traffic problem, then the Outer Beltway will be the only option. The residents of Western Montco can complain all they want, but they'll be up against powerful business and government interests in both states and probably a majority of public opinion in the DC Area.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 03, 2021, 11:11:45 AM
I think you seriously underestimate the Maryland state government's reluctance to build something of that sort, regardless of "business interests" in both states. Don't forget that Governor Hogan is term-limited next year. One reason so many groups are fighting to delay the expansion of I-270 and the Beltway is their assumption–which is historically a reasonable one in Maryland–that the next governor will come from the other major political party and will change course if the highway projects are not already substantially under construction.

That's assuming environmental laws would even permit an Outer Beltway, which is something I haven't tried to examine. Consider that if the existing Capital Beltway had not been built when it was and were instead a proposed highway today, it could not have been built along its current route due to federal environmental laws. The impact to Cameron Run would prevent the routing between roughly Van Dorn Street and the current site of the Wilson Bridge. Even if some existing roads were to be incorporated into a new Outer Beltway project (let's assume an upgraded Fairfax County Parkway were one such, since it represents a good chunk of what had once been proposed as an Outer Beltway, and let's assume the Intercounty Connector in Maryland is another), you still run into environmental issues in multiple places–to name but two, the southern crossing of the Potomac (I don't know where you propose to put that, but I'm assuming you'd extend the southern end of the Fairfax County Parkway across the river into Charles County) and the area east of the Intercounty Connector.

Even in Fairfax County, I really don't see much appetite for an Outer Beltway. It may be that people are realists and don't bother to discuss it because they know there is next to no chance of it ever being built, but in general, any time you hear people talk about another Potomac River crossing it's limited to the idea of a western crossing between the Beltway and Point of Rocks (the concept once called the "Techway"). Maryland authorities intensely dislike that idea in part because they're concerned that it would promote Virginia's economy at the expense of Maryland's in various ways, including (but not necessarily limited to) to the extent it encourages Montgomery County and Frederick-area residents to use Dulles Airport instead of BWI and to the extent it makes it easier for them to go spend money at Virginia locations like Tysons I and II, Dulles Town Center, or Reston Town Center instead of Maryland's.

The proverbial bottom line is that any discussion of a new Outer Beltway is really best-suited for the Fictional Highways subforum.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on November 03, 2021, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 03, 2021, 11:11:45 AM
I think you seriously underestimate the Maryland state government's reluctance to build something of that sort, regardless of "business interests" in both states. Don't forget that Governor Hogan is term-limited next year. One reason so many groups are fighting to delay the expansion of I-270 and the Beltway is their assumption–which is historically a reasonable one in Maryland–that the next governor will come from the other major political party and will change course if the highway projects are not already substantially under construction.

That's assuming environmental laws would even permit an Outer Beltway, which is something I haven't tried to examine. Consider that if the existing Capital Beltway had not been built when it was and were instead a proposed highway today, it could not have been built along its current route due to federal environmental laws. The impact to Cameron Run would prevent the routing between roughly Van Dorn Street and the current site of the Wilson Bridge. Even if some existing roads were to be incorporated into a new Outer Beltway project (let's assume an upgraded Fairfax County Parkway were one such, since it represents a good chunk of what had once been proposed as an Outer Beltway, and let's assume the Intercounty Connector in Maryland is another), you still run into environmental issues in multiple places–to name but two, the southern crossing of the Potomac (I don't know where you propose to put that, but I'm assuming you'd extend the southern end of the Fairfax County Parkway across the river into Charles County) and the area east of the Intercounty Connector.

Even in Fairfax County, I really don't see much appetite for an Outer Beltway. It may be that people are realists and don't bother to discuss it because they know there is next to no chance of it ever being built, but in general, any time you hear people talk about another Potomac River crossing it's limited to the idea of a western crossing between the Beltway and Point of Rocks (the concept once called the "Techway"). Maryland authorities intensely dislike that idea in part because they're concerned that it would promote Virginia's economy at the expense of Maryland's in various ways, including (but not necessarily limited to) to the extent it encourages Montgomery County and Frederick-area residents to use Dulles Airport instead of BWI and to the extent it makes it easier for them to go spend money at Virginia locations like Tysons I and II, Dulles Town Center, or Reston Town Center instead of Maryland's.

The proverbial bottom line is that any discussion of a new Outer Beltway is really best-suited for the Fictional Highways subforum.

I've read that Maryland's opposition to a new Potomac Crossing is because they worry it will benefit Dulles at the expense of BWI. A full Outer Beltway would make BWI much more accessible, so it would balance out.

I'm also assuming that highway construction will become much less expensive due to technology like concrete thar doesn't need steel rebar. That would mean you could build viaducts in environmentally sensitive areas to minimize damage.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on November 03, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Let's look at the Beltway Toll Lanes through an Equity Lens:
The downsides of the lanes in terms of noise and pollution will accrue in a handful of wealthy majority white zip codes. The benefits will accrue heavily in majority BIPOC communities in the Eastern half of the DC Area who will have enhanced access to NoVa's strong job market. It's clear that opponents of this project are upholding white supremacy and marginalizing black and latinx voices.

Am I doing this right?
:bigass:


Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on November 03, 2021, 06:50:33 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on November 03, 2021, 12:51:14 PM
I've read that Maryland's opposition to a new Potomac Crossing is because they worry it will benefit Dulles at the expense of BWI. A full Outer Beltway would make BWI much more accessible, so it would balance out.
the primary driver here is Maryland residents in Montgomery County. a new crossing of the Potomac west of the Beltway would only make it easier for them to get to IAD.

Quote from: kernals12I'm also assuming that highway construction will become much less expensive due to technology like concrete thar doesn't need steel rebar. That would mean you could build viaducts in environmentally sensitive areas to minimize damage.
cost reduction != reduction in environmental damage.

Quote from: kernals12Let's look at the Beltway Toll Lanes through an Equity Lens:
[...]
Am I doing this right?
no.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on November 04, 2021, 12:33:56 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on November 03, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Let's look at the Beltway Toll Lanes through an Equity Lens:
The downsides of the lanes in terms of noise and pollution will accrue in a handful of wealthy majority white zip codes. The benefits will accrue heavily in majority BIPOC communities in the Eastern half of the DC Area who will have enhanced access to NoVa's strong job market. It's clear that opponents of this project are upholding white supremacy and marginalizing black and latinx voices.

Am I doing this right?
:bigass:



No, and stop.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on November 16, 2021, 09:05:05 AM
https://twitter.com/TheMDTA/status/1460608664742641676?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on November 16, 2021, 07:22:40 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed

I wonder if a northbound weigh station will be built on the former outside lanes of the plaza.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on November 16, 2021, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
I believe Maryland got cold feet with the prospect of making more 70 mph zones after some crashes on I-70.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 23, 2021, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
I-95 from MD 24 to MD 279 and I-83 from Shawan Road to PA 214 could logically be 70.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on November 23, 2021, 09:30:00 PM
WMATA has announced that service cuts will last at least through the end of the year. I'm sure that's fresh in the minds of the people submitting comments on the 495/270 toll lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 24, 2021, 04:57:59 PM
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/2019%20Baltimore%20City.pdf (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/2019%20Baltimore%20City.pdf)
Second page. I-70 has just over a tenth of a mile in Baltimore city. Debate over.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on November 24, 2021, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on November 23, 2021, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
I-95 from MD 24 to MD 279 and I-83 from Shawan Road to PA 214 could logically be 70.
Agreed, and with I-83 too. Not sure why both Maryland and Pennsylvania are against raising I-83. Last time I drove it, traffic was moving at least 75-80+ mph the whole way, and it felt comfortable for the most part. 70 mph would not be unreasonable.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on November 28, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.
Agreed, but that shouldn't be the reason I-95 doesn't go to 70 mph everywhere else.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on November 28, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.


The speed limit already drops to 55 near the old toll plaza - just extend the speed reduction across the bridge and add it southbound.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on December 04, 2021, 10:54:21 PM
I was on US 220 north of I-68 today and noticed that SHA has installed double-sided Reference Location Signs (Interstate-style mile markers with whole miles) on this stretch. Checking GMSV, they're new since September 2019.

I've not seen this on any other Maryland surface route before, including several other routes in this same district I've driven this fall. Has anyone else noticed mile markers popping up in Maryland?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on December 07, 2021, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 28, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.


The speed limit already drops to 55 near the old toll plaza - just extend the speed reduction across the bridge and add it southbound.

Drove thru today for the first time since the all electronic gantry was added... was wondering if they plan to raise it to 65 throughout now that there's no need to stop at a plaza.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on December 08, 2021, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 07, 2021, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 28, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.


The speed limit already drops to 55 near the old toll plaza - just extend the speed reduction across the bridge and add it southbound.

Drove thru today for the first time since the all electronic gantry was added... was wondering if they plan to raise it to 65 throughout now that there's no need to stop at a plaza.

Have they finished removal of the old plaza? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't change anything until that's done (plus, they could probably issue more speed camera tickets while the work continues if they keep it at 55 for now).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 08, 2021, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 08, 2021, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 07, 2021, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 28, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.


The speed limit already drops to 55 near the old toll plaza - just extend the speed reduction across the bridge and add it southbound.

Drove thru today for the first time since the all electronic gantry was added... was wondering if they plan to raise it to 65 throughout now that there's no need to stop at a plaza.

Have they finished removal of the old plaza? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't change anything until that's done (plus, they could probably issue more speed camera tickets while the work continues if they keep it at 55 for now).

That work zone is not one targeted for speed cameras.  The camera zone is near the Bel Air exit (and soon near the White Marsh exit).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on December 08, 2021, 11:24:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 08, 2021, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 07, 2021, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 28, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.


The speed limit already drops to 55 near the old toll plaza - just extend the speed reduction across the bridge and add it southbound.

Drove thru today for the first time since the all electronic gantry was added... was wondering if they plan to raise it to 65 throughout now that there's no need to stop at a plaza.

Have they finished removal of the old plaza? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't change anything until that's done (plus, they could probably issue more speed camera tickets while the work continues if they keep it at 55 for now).

They're not done yet.  The thru lanes are full speed thru the plaza but there are no shoulders due to construction barriers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 13, 2021, 08:40:32 PM
Speed cameras start December 20 just north of White Marsh on I-95 north

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/work-zone-speed-camera-enforcement-begins-northbound-i-95
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on December 13, 2021, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on December 13, 2021, 08:40:32 PM
Speed cameras start December 20 just north of White Marsh on I-95 north

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/work-zone-speed-camera-enforcement-begins-northbound-i-95

Cute that they don't mention what that specified rate is... but I believe, and I quote:
"In accordance with Maryland law, images are only captured and used for the purpose of issuing a citation if a vehicle is exceeding the posted work zone speed limit by 12 mph or greater"
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on December 13, 2021, 11:27:12 PM
The vehicles running the cameras are also VERY obvious and visible. So you'd be pretty oblivious to speed past one.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on December 14, 2021, 08:30:18 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 13, 2021, 11:27:12 PM
The vehicles running the cameras are also VERY obvious and visible. So you'd be pretty oblivious to speed past one.

The accompanying porta-potty for the car driver/camera operator to use is always a huge giveaway too (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2871375,-76.7397322,3a,43.1y,170.64h,88.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7DG_532jCga7J5clGGi3EQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)  :-D

As for I-95 in White Marsh, it looked like all the advance warning signage for this new camera location was already in place as of this past Saturday.  Additionally, it looked like the advance signage for the speed camera located at exit 74 (covering the work zone between there & exit 77) had been removed, so I look at this as the camera essentially moving a few miles southwest.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 14, 2021, 08:39:48 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 13, 2021, 11:27:12 PM
The vehicles running the cameras are also VERY obvious and visible. So you'd be pretty oblivious to speed past one.

Not as obvious as PA, as Maryland's are often obscured by the porta-potty (which, of course, is what you look for).  PA's vehicle is in the open with flashing amber strobe lights, a sequence of cameras on the roof, and a sign that says "Enforcement Vehicle" on the back.  Of course, Maryland always keeps their vehicles in one spot, whereas the vehicle in PA can be closer to where work is ongoing (there are two portable signs they put up in advance).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on December 16, 2021, 10:23:02 AM
Up next in the Maryland AET-conversion series: the Fort McHenry Tunnel.  (I actually thought this had already been underway, but apparently not.)

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/construction-fort-mchenry-tunnel-i-95-toll-plaza-will-provide

Quote from: MDTA
The project is part of the MDTA's system-wide efforts to make its all-electronic tolling operations accessible to drivers at highway speeds. At the Fort McHenry Tunnel, work starting in January will convert the middle lanes of the existing toll plaza into four highway-speed lanes in each direction by removing toll booths and canopy.

A safety measure was implemented at the tunnel toll plaza in December 2020 to facilitate safe and orderly flow of traffic, resulting in the closure of several toll lanes. These lanes will remain closed as crews work to remove the toll booths.

In spring 2022, crews will install two overhead tolling gantries, one for southbound traffic and one for northbound traffic, just south of the existing toll plaza. Off-peak lane and tube closures will be necessary to complete the work to construct the overhead gantry.

During summer 2022, traffic will shift to the new travel lanes in the middle of the former toll plaza area, and motorists will drive beneath the tolling gantries at posted highway speeds. With traffic in the new highway-speed lanes, the MDTA will remove the remaining toll booths and canopy by late 2022.

Among other things, the press release includes a timeline of all the other conversions statewide:

Quote from: MDTA
The MDTA converted toll plazas at the Hatem (US 40), Key (I-695), and Bay (US 50/301) bridges to highway-speed AET in 2019 and 2020.

The John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway (I-95) toll plaza was converted to highway-speed AET on an interim basis in November until permanent roadway configuration can be studied, designed and constructed. The planning study is expected to begin in fiscal year 2023.

Highway-speed AET is part of the Nice/Middleton Bridge (US 301) replacement project, scheduled to be operational in spring 2022.

The MDTA, in coordination with the Federal Highway Administration, conducted a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) Study to evaluate proposed toll plaza and interchange improvements near the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel (I-895). With this study now complete, preliminary engineering is underway to bring highway-speed AET to the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel. Highway-speed AET is scheduled to be operational at the Harbor Tunnel in 2026.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 16, 2021, 11:26:28 AM
Interesting it is going to take 2 more years for MDTA just to figure out what they want to do around the old JFK toll plaza.  I assume this relates to the weigh station, as I don't think there is much else as far as complexity there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 16, 2021, 06:17:47 PM
So I have a question for the Maryland peeps.  What does it mean when a VMS states "COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ADVISORY ENFORCED"?  Is it just a standard message or does it actually mean something beyond that?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 19, 2021, 05:54:15 PM
I don't understand why the new toll gantries for the Fort McHenry Tunnel are being built next to the old toll plaza. Why not build them on the other side of the tunnel, in Locust Point, and avoid the complexities of staging both construction projects at the same site? The new Bay Bridge toll gantries were built on Kent Island so that the existing plaza could be demolished more easily, so why not do the same at the Fort McHenry Tunnel?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on December 19, 2021, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 19, 2021, 05:54:15 PM
I don't understand why the new toll gantries for the Fort McHenry Tunnel are being built next to the old toll plaza. Why not build them on the other side of the tunnel, in Locust Point, and avoid the complexities of staging both construction projects at the same site? The new Bay Bridge toll gantries were built on Kent Island so that the existing plaza could be demolished more easily, so why not do the same at the Fort McHenry Tunnel?

I guess it depends on what MDTA actually means by "just south of the existing toll plaza".  If they literally meant just south while the roadway is still widened out for the plaza, then I agree with your take.  But if the gantries will be installed closer to the tunnel portals (similar to what MassDOT did at the Sumner/Callahan Tunnels), then I'd think it becomes a non-issue.

Quote from: 74/171FAN on December 16, 2021, 06:17:47 PM
So I have a question for the Maryland peeps.  What does it mean when a VMS states "COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ADVISORY ENFORCED"?  Is it just a standard message or does it actually mean something beyond that?

Out of curiosity, which VMS did you see this on?  I saw this same message on an I-70 VMS in the Hagerstown area about 2 months ago, and was equally unsure of what it meant.  The closest weigh stations are roughly 30-40 miles east of here along both I-70 & I-270 heading out of Frederick, and I would think such a VMS message would make more sense if a weigh station is coming up in the next 5 or 10 miles.

But to your point, I'm not aware of there being anything special behind that message.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 19, 2021, 09:28:41 PM
jmacswimmer, the specific one on Thursday was on I-81 entering Maryland, but I remember seeing it on my MD 200 trip a couple weeks ago as well, but I forget where.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on December 19, 2021, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 28, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.
Agreed, but that shouldn't be the reason I-95 doesn't go to 70 mph everywhere else.
Why is their never any talk about improving the Tydings bridge?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on December 19, 2021, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 19, 2021, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 28, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.
Agreed, but that shouldn't be the reason I-95 doesn't go to 70 mph everywhere else.
Why is their never any talk about improving the Tydings bridge?

There are still long range plans to 8-lane the rest of the highway to the DE line, which would include the bridge. When that will happen still remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 20, 2021, 08:04:12 AM
Quote from: plain on December 19, 2021, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 19, 2021, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 28, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.
Agreed, but that shouldn't be the reason I-95 doesn't go to 70 mph everywhere else.
Why is their never any talk about improving the Tydings bridge?

There are still long range plans to 8-lane the rest of the highway to the DE line, which would include the bridge. When that will happen still remains to be seen.

The MdTA has so many large capital projects in progress right now that I wouldn't expect major works on the Tydings Bridge to occur until the 2030s at the earliest. That segment of I-95 needs to be widened though; it is already busy enough to require eight lanes and could easily need more than that 10 years from now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on December 21, 2021, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on December 14, 2021, 08:30:18 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 13, 2021, 11:27:12 PM
The vehicles running the cameras are also VERY obvious and visible. So you'd be pretty oblivious to speed past one.

The accompanying porta-potty for the car driver/camera operator to use is always a huge giveaway too (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2871375,-76.7397322,3a,43.1y,170.64h,88.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7DG_532jCga7J5clGGi3EQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)  :-D

As for I-95 in White Marsh, it looked like all the advance warning signage for this new camera location was already in place as of this past Saturday.  Additionally, it looked like the advance signage for the speed camera located at exit 74 (covering the work zone between there & exit 77) had been removed, so I look at this as the camera essentially moving a few miles southwest.

Just drove by going southbound. There are two cameras, one in the regular lanes and one in the express lanes. The one in the regular lanes was well hidden judging by the number of flashes I saw.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:15:10 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 20, 2021, 08:04:12 AM
Quote from: plain on December 19, 2021, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 19, 2021, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 28, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 16, 2021, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on November 16, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Wonder if they will raise the speed limit north of the Tydings bridge from 55 to 65 now that the toll plaza has been bypassed
IMO, I-95 from north of Baltimore to the Delaware line needs to go up from 65 mph to 70 mph. Not sure why they didn't raise it back in 2015.
IMO the Tydings Bridge needs to be improved with at the very least full shoulders and interstate standards if not an extra lane.
Agreed, but that shouldn't be the reason I-95 doesn't go to 70 mph everywhere else.
Why is their never any talk about improving the Tydings bridge?

There are still long range plans to 8-lane the rest of the highway to the DE line, which would include the bridge. When that will happen still remains to be seen.

The MdTA has so many large capital projects in progress right now that I wouldn't expect major works on the Tydings Bridge to occur until the 2030s at the earliest. That segment of I-95 needs to be widened though; it is already busy enough to require eight lanes and could easily need more than that 10 years from now.

8 lanes is fine, not more.

Fixed quote.   -Mark
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on December 29, 2021, 10:03:33 AM
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The first *live* presentation of the day will begin at 12:00 PM ET and will feature a "doubleheader" Virtual Tour episode, featuring the beltway freeways encircling Washington, DC and Baltimore, MD:



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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on December 30, 2021, 01:59:13 PM
Another change at MDOT: just 2 years after Pete Rahn's departure as Secretary, his replacement Gregory Slater will be leaving as well.  The MDTA director, James F. Ports Jr. will be taking a step up to be the next MDOT Secretary.

https://www.twitter.com/GovLarryHogan/status/1476570163717804033?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 07, 2022, 01:28:56 PM
Pictures I took of the JFK construction yesterday morning:
(https://i.imgur.com/MFxYtZr.jpeg)
Southbound just past MD 24.

(https://i.imgur.com/z8ekGut.jpeg)
Clayton Road overpass being rebuilt and notification of closed MD 152 park and ride.

(https://i.imgur.com/bt2ID8k.jpeg)
Construction at Big Gunpowder Falls bridge, 70.3.

(https://i.imgur.com/YsRiFrX.jpeg)
A close look at a crane just ahead of the previous photo.

(https://i.imgur.com/FlkZ2B8.jpeg)
Sound barrier being built approaching Joppa Road.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 07, 2022, 01:29:36 PM
The Old Joppa Road overpass near mile marker 73 has also completed reconstruction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 13, 2022, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on December 19, 2021, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 19, 2021, 05:54:15 PM
I don't understand why the new toll gantries for the Fort McHenry Tunnel are being built next to the old toll plaza. Why not build them on the other side of the tunnel, in Locust Point, and avoid the complexities of staging both construction projects at the same site? The new Bay Bridge toll gantries were built on Kent Island so that the existing plaza could be demolished more easily, so why not do the same at the Fort McHenry Tunnel?
I guess it depends on what MDTA actually means by "just south of the existing toll plaza".  If they literally meant just south while the roadway is still widened out for the plaza, then I agree with your take.  But if the gantries will be installed closer to the tunnel portals (similar to what MassDOT did at the Sumner/Callahan Tunnels), then I'd think it becomes a non-issue.

Following up on this to note that the MDTA has created a project page for the FMT conversion with some before-and-after visuals...among other things, they show that the new gantries will indeed be close to the tunnel portals.

https://twitter.com/TheMDTA/status/1481278583125405696?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on January 28, 2022, 11:44:21 AM
A post about MD-193 (University Blvd) in Wheaton, that probably doesn't need its own thread:

https://mdot-sha-md193-amherst-to-arcola-shared-streets-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/


I attended a public hearing on Wednesday night.  Back in June-December, the MD State Highway Authority (SHA) did a 6 month pilot installing bike lanes along 1 mile of University Blvd, between Amherst and Arcola Avenues.  The road is 3 lanes in each direction, with a median and left turn pockets.  The pilot closed the right lane to all vehicles and turned it into a bike lane that was separated by plastic delineators.

Transit buses were also prohibited from driving in the right lane, but could pull into the right lane to make stops to drop off and pick up passengers. Wednesday night's meeting was meant as a public forum to discuss SHA's findings, conclusions, and recommendations with regrad to the bike lane pilot.

At the meeting, the SHA staff members stated that they were not recommending reinstituting the bike lanes because there were not enough people using the bike lanes and there were numerous complaints from the local community with regard to safety and backups with right turns.


They invited folks to email other suggested locations for these hybrid bike lanes with bus stops.


shamd193bikelanes@mdot.maryland.gov




My personal thoughts: The bike lanes themselves did not really worsen traffic along University Blvd to any appreciable degree. But many commented (and I agree) that it is very hard to get an accurate reading on the traffic because so many are working from home due to the pandemic. My own observations from pre-pandemic times indicates that two lanes in each direction would not have been too problematic for traffic along this stretch.  This is especialy true westbound, where the right lane has forced traffic to turn right onto Arcola for a very long time, essentially restricting thru traffic flow on Univ WB to two lanes anyway.  However, 3 lanes are needed to transverse Four Corners and the Georgia Ave. intersection.  [Busy areas that are outside of the pilot corridor boundaries.]


A big source of backups, though were backups on Arcola, because the right turn channel was blocked during the pilot project. A lot of the complaints about the pilot were due to people living or commuting in Kemp Mill who noticed the backups along Arcola, where the block approaching University was shrunk from 3 lanes to 2 and right turners would essentially have to wait for a green light, since the right turn channel was closed. This also led to more difficulties for those on the side streets who wanted to turn onto Arcola.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1111+University+Blvd+W,+Silver+Spring,+MD+20902/@39.0356734,-77.0261475,67m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b7cf6e73c2cf81:0xb8756125c14fdc9a!8m2!3d39.0371712!4d-77.0272102


While glad (and somewhat surprised) to see that SHA is not recommending the bike lanes here (despite strong support from most of the local politicians), I feel clearly that they would have been more accepted in the community if more notice were given to surrounding communities before the implementation and if the right turn channel from Arcola was not closed.  They received a lot of complaints from the community about Arcola, but oddly never actually studied the effects on Arcola directly.  This may be because University is a state highway, but Arcola is local, under the jurisdiction of the county DOT.


This section along University does get a lot of speeding, so it may be a good idea to block off the right lane from traffic. Perhaps if the right lane were reserved for buses and right turning and maybe parking, and no interference was made with the Arcola right turn channel, this would be more successful. A normal bus lane would still allow for people to make u-turns with the full width of the street and would also speed up buses.


Truthfully, the 1.3 mile segment of the pilot was too short to be meaningful for many bicyclists. However, it is pretty clear that Four Corners (US 29 / MD-193 intersection) is too busy and so no bike lane can extend down there, since all of the available lanes are needed for traffic. As it is, there are paths and side streets (Windham, Blueridge) connecting Sligo Creek to Wheaton. Those routes need to be paved up to comfortable standards for bikes and better signage is also needed. Bicyclists could use those routes instead of University Blvd.

Three lanes in each direction are needed to transverse the Wheaton business district and the Four Corners and Beltway intersections, but only two lanes are truly needed along the rest of the street between Langley Park and Connecticut Ave.  Given that, perhaps simply making the right lanes into bus only lanes (with right turns also permitted) would achieve the goals of speed reduction and safety, promote bus travel, while still maintaining adequate traffic flow on surrounding streets.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on February 02, 2022, 08:05:53 AM
https://twitter.com/MDSHA/status/1488860088555085824?s=20&t=FSlCA7Fjw8sDBU2kBPYHDQ
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: wriddle082 on February 06, 2022, 11:07:04 PM
A few weeks ago I incurred some EZPass tolls in Maryland.  On Monday 1/24, I drove the Ft. McHenry Tunnel NB and the I-95 toll plaza past the Susquehanna River NB.  And on Thursday 1/27, I drove the Nice Bridge SB.

Last October, I drove the Nice Bridge SB and it took approx. 10 calendar days for the transaction to hit my NC Quick Pass account.  Now it has been nearly 2 weeks and I still haven't seen the charges come through.  I need to add them to an expense report so I can get reimbursed by my company since I was in a company rental car on company business.  How long has it generally been taking for MD to process EZPass transactions these days?  I have already seen other toll charges hit my account from PANYNJ, DelDOT, PTC, and DRJBC.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 07, 2022, 08:56:19 AM
^

Thanks for presenting me an opportunity to rant about MDTA's toll processing  :banghead:

A recent trip on I-95/JFK Highway took exactly 2 weeks to post (transaction was on 1/21, toll posted on 2/4), so maybe you'll get lucky today?  I also took the Nice Bridge yesterday, so stay tuned on how long that takes...It's been all over the place since last April, when MDTA changed toll processing vendors.  It took almost a whole month for tolls to post immediately after the transition, gradually made it down to just under a week in July, and then has slowly gotten worse again since.

In addition to the vendor transition, there's also the matter of backlogged tolls that are still gradually being processed.  (During the initial stages of the pandemic, MDTA paused mailing all video tolls and paused posting E-ZPass transactions only on the ICC.)  They even issued a press release about it a month ago, in case you're interested:

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-items/maryland-tolling-update
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 07, 2022, 04:32:35 PM
Last time I crossed the Bay Bridge it took 18 days to post. One of the crossings last April never posted at all!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mr_Northside on February 07, 2022, 04:41:30 PM
My Bay Bridge crossing last year in August posted in just a few days.   Not too long.   My trip in 2020 never posted (or was charged, nor did I get any kind of violation notice).  I think a trip in 2018 took about two weeks to post.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: wriddle082 on February 07, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
The FMT $4 charge and JFK $8 charge finally hit today.  Exactly two weeks after the fact.  So this Thursday will be exactly two weeks since I drove the Nice Bridge, and by that logic I should hopefully see that charge on Thursday.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 16, 2022, 07:31:45 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on February 07, 2022, 08:56:19 AM
I also took the Nice Bridge yesterday, so stay tuned on how long that takes...

Update: 10 day lag for this one (posted this afternoon), so slight improvement from what wriddle082 noted.

I've actually come across several news articles regarding the topic since the above discussion, and apparently the situation has even been discussed in the Maryland Senate.  (Because, as often happens in politics, a senator was personally affected.)  Essentially, tons of Maryland residents (including said Maryland senator) are reporting receiving bills in the mail for the tolls from the March-October 2020 timeframe when MDTA paused processing video tolls, and in many cases the total is eclipsing 4 figures.  Sure makes me glad I've had E-ZPass and had my tolls continue to post the whole time, versus them accumulating for over a year plus fines...

As an example, here's a link to a Reddit post I came across in which the user was hit with 94 Hatem Bridge video tolls in one envelope. (https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/rz798l/just_finally_received_94_bills_from_ezpass/) (And I think confirmed in a comment that they were supposed to be enrolled in the Hatem annual discount plan.)

And here's links to 2 recent articles on the topic - the first one has this little tidbit that confirms that the posting lag is due to MDTA juggling processing time between backlogged tolls & current tolls.  Also found it slightly humorous that the reporter reached out to VDOT, DelDOT, & NJTA to see how long they take to post tolls.

Quote
Sales said MDTA is taking a metering approach, which balances the pace of sending both backlog and current transactions. "During days when more backlog is processed, current transaction processing is slowed to minimize large balances from posting all at once,"  Sales wrote in an email to WMAR-2 News Mallory Sofastaii.

https://www.wmar2news.com/matterformallory/e-zpass-frustrations-backlogged-transactions-draining-drivers-accounts-long-call-wait-times-continue
https://www.wmar2news.com/matterformallory/new-legislation-targets-e-zpass-debacle-bill-waives-toll-penalties-allows-for-payment-plans

Not sure what other MD E-ZPass users on this forum have experienced, but I will note that I've had 3 minor issues since the vendor transition last April that were all easily disputed & resolved:

-Toll-by-plate posted on a 2-month lag when I was previously charged via E-ZPass for the same trip
-Toll-by-plate of someone else's car/plate not listed on my account (their plate was the same except for one character)
-E-ZPass charge as a 3-axle vehicle instead of 2 (not positive, but I might remember following a pickup towing a trailer thru the same lane, so their trailer must have been mistakenly attributed to me)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 25, 2022, 01:59:39 PM
I just got a notice from Maryland for my Hatem Bridge toll from 12/26/2020 that did not go through on my EZPASS back then.  I guess they saw me shunpiking the US 301 toll on Sunday via Sassafras Rd/MD 282/DE 299 even though that money would have gone to DE.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on April 10, 2022, 11:25:04 PM
Why is the Beltway, and 295 in DC through Ft Meade so bad at PM rush hour, relative to the western Beltway and I-95 in MD?
Is it due to more essential workers and less transit east?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 11, 2022, 08:51:36 AM
Not sure what you're talking about.  The north and west legs of the Beltway are far worse than the south and east legs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on April 11, 2022, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 11, 2022, 08:51:36 AM
Not sure what you're talking about.  The north and west legs of the Beltway are far worse than the south and east legs.
295 itself is just not enough road for the demand
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Declan127 on May 09, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 10, 2022, 11:25:04 PM
Why is the Beltway, and 295 in DC through Ft Meade so bad at PM rush hour, relative to the western Beltway and I-95 in MD?
Is it due to more essential workers and less transit east?

Well from what I could tell after making the mistake of sightseeing coming home from NC during the PM rush on a thursday, the merges aren't of sufficiant length (from what i could tell; I was in the left lane the whole time and couldn't see the other side of the road) and there no good alternative to get to I-95 besides going the long route of 395-Beltway.

Reminds me of the Van Wyck over here except 295 is a lot more scenic.


(EDIT: fix the y key, man!)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on May 10, 2022, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: Declan127 on May 09, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 10, 2022, 11:25:04 PM
Why is the Beltway, and 295 in DC through Ft Meade so bad at PM rush hour, relative to the western Beltway and I-95 in MD?
Is it due to more essential workers and less transit east?

Well from what I could tell after making the mistake of sightseeing coming home from NC during the PM rush on a thursday, the merges aren't of sufficiant length (from what i could tell; I was in the left lane the whole time and couldn't see the other side of the road) and there no good alternative to get to I-95 besides going the long route of 395-Beltway.

Reminds me of the Van Wyck over here except 295 is a lot more scenic.

Re the portion south of MD 175, you can thank the National Park Service.

https://www.nps.gov/bawa/index.htm
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on June 08, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?

Glad to never have to worry about this again (moved back to NJ last month).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?

Glad to never have to worry about this again (moved back to NJ last month).

You got the 6 to 9 widening. Lucky
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on June 08, 2022, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?

Glad to never have to worry about this again (moved back to NJ last month).

You got the 6 to 9 widening. Lucky

Also the Scudder Falls Bridge replacement, which is within (long) walking distance of my new digs.  New commute is mostly against the flow so only occasionally will I see significant traffic  :clap:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 08, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?

Glad to never have to worry about this again (moved back to NJ last month).
are you going to the Philly meet in August?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on June 08, 2022, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 08, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?

Glad to never have to worry about this again (moved back to NJ last month).
are you going to the Philly meet in August?

Didn't even know about it. Deets/link?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on June 09, 2022, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 08, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/)

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?

Glad to never have to worry about this again (moved back to NJ last month).
are you going to the Philly meet in August?

Didn't even know about it. Deets/link?
It's under road enthusiast meetings in this very forum 😅
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on June 10, 2022, 07:54:25 AM
Quote from: Alps on June 09, 2022, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 08, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: famartin on June 08, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/08/maryland-traffic-beltway-i-270-expansion-opposition/)

The Washington Post Editorial Board once again slams those opposed to the 495/270 widening in Maryland

Virginia is already getting started on their side of the widening, I imagine that if Maryland's next governor pulled out, it would lead to some very frosty relations with Virginia and the latter would find ways to retaliate, in addition to the fact that it would curse the many people who use the AL Bridge to ever worsening traffic.

All of this just to pander to woke millionaires in Montgomery County?

Glad to never have to worry about this again (moved back to NJ last month).
are you going to the Philly meet in August?

Didn't even know about it. Deets/link?
It's under road enthusiast meetings in this very forum 😅
😅 yeah I guess I don't poke around on here all that much! 😅

Working that weekend, so its doubtful, but I'll see if I can attend something.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on June 10, 2022, 07:22:44 PM
MDOT SHA Seeks Input As Route 90 [accessing Ocean Pines and Ocean City] Study Advances

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2022/06/09/mdot-sha-seeks-input-as-route-90-study-advances/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on June 15, 2022, 06:43:57 PM
I gotta say after driving in Maryland last week, traffic cams everywhere.  I took a side road into DC and I even saw a traffic enforcement cam at a 4-way stop sign.  I'm all for driving safely but it seems to be an overkill especially around schools etc.  The same with DC and with the traffic lights on the street corners rather than hanging overhead it's so easy to miss one and blow right through it.

I also saw new speed cams on the JFX, (I know it's city maintained) I've never seen speed cams on a limited access highway outside of work zones.

But I did get this cool pic.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52143839321_4d9a337a24_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 15, 2022, 07:38:54 PM
MdTA maintains I-95 in Baltimore City. Does Maryland permit cameras outside of work zones and school zones now?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on June 15, 2022, 09:31:03 PM
^ Only in Montgomery County, AFAIK.  CP or other Maryland residents may have a better answer.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on June 16, 2022, 04:43:44 PM
"˜Leave a lot of extra time': Crews assess, repair sinkhole on I-270 in Montgomery Co. (https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/06/leave-a-lot-of-extra-time-crews-assess-repair-sinkhole-on-i-270-in-montgomery-co/)
QuoteThe sinkhole was the result of a broken 6-foot drainage pipe that runs underneath I-270 before Interstate 370.
From what I've seen today on GM there's been a consistent 2 mile backup due to this.  The backup that I saw this morning was at least 5 miles. I probably didn't even see the worst of that. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 08:37:45 AM
Big news: the EIS for the 270/495 widening is out (https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/transportation/after-years-long-review-process-final-report-on-i-495-i-270-widening-project-is-released/)

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on June 19, 2022, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 15, 2022, 07:38:54 PM
MdTA maintains I-95 in Baltimore City. Does Maryland permit cameras outside of work zones and school zones now?

Montgomery County has cameras in residential areas, there are cameras on MD 210 in a crash prone area, and there are now cameras on the I-83 JFX in Baltimore City.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on June 20, 2022, 09:02:39 PM
When Delaware's US 301 toll road opened 3+ years ago, I started shunpiking via Sassafras Road, MD 282, and DE 299 on my occasional (roughly monthly) shopping trips to Middletown, DE.  Today's trip was no exception, and today I noticed the recently installed (per nearby portable messageboards) 4-way stop at MD 282 and Water St./Wilson St. in Warwick.  The VMS's were not there last time I went through there 3-4 weeks ago.  I reckon there was a bad accident at that junction in the interim.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on June 23, 2022, 06:35:06 PM
I noticed when entering the Beltway from I-270, the control cities for I-495E are Silver Spring and College Park.
But when entering the Beltway from I-66 in NOVA, Baltimore is a control city.
How come MD uses smaller local locations, and what are the rules?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on June 23, 2022, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on June 23, 2022, 06:35:06 PM
I noticed when entering the Beltway from I-270, the control cities for I-495E are Silver Spring and College Park.
But when entering the Beltway from I-66 in NOVA, Baltimore is a control city.
How come MD uses smaller local locations, and what are the rules?

Because you're supposed to stay on I-70 in Frederick to get to Baltimore???  I can't imagine many people going from 270 to 495 are trying to reach Baltimore, especially since the completion of MD 200.

Note that the control cities on 495 NB at the 270 spur for 495 EB are Bethesda and Baltimore.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on June 25, 2022, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 23, 2022, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on June 23, 2022, 06:35:06 PM
I noticed when entering the Beltway from I-270, the control cities for I-495E are Silver Spring and College Park.
But when entering the Beltway from I-66 in NOVA, Baltimore is a control city.
How come MD uses smaller local locations, and what are the rules?

Because you're supposed to stay on I-70 in Frederick to get to Baltimore???  I can't imagine many people going from 270 to 495 are trying to reach Baltimore, especially since the completion of MD 200.

Note that the control cities on 495 NB at the 270 spur for 495 EB are Bethesda and Baltimore.
I don't that is a valid reason, given Frederick is 30 or so miles away, by the point of the beltway merge, most of the traffic is from south of Gaithersburg.  There is enough distance that signing 'Baltimore' would not conflict with I-70.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on June 25, 2022, 09:49:37 PM
Well, the original BGS was this and still no Baltimore:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvahighways.com%2F495vintage%2F70Sat270.jpg&hash=bcfc1f5cb41633f6529f301e8e7cbb23bd1cddae)
from 1969 Congressional hearings on "Highway Safety, Design, and Operations - Freeway Signing and Geometrics"

Way more people from south of Gaithersburg are headed to the 4 destinations on the current sets of BGSs than are headed to Baltimore.

I do find it odd that the I-370/MD 200 BGS has no destinations at all except TO I-95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on June 26, 2022, 07:02:54 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 25, 2022, 09:49:37 PM
Well, the original BGS was this and still no Baltimore:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvahighways.com%2F495vintage%2F70Sat270.jpg&hash=bcfc1f5cb41633f6529f301e8e7cbb23bd1cddae)
from 1969 Congressional hearings on "Highway Safety, Design, and Operations - Freeway Signing and Geometrics"

Way more people from south of Gaithersburg are headed to the 4 destinations on the current sets of BGSs than are headed to Baltimore.

I do find it odd that the I-370/MD 200 BGS has no destinations at all except TO I-95.

I think its because they were trying to encourage people to use it as a shortcut between 270 and 95 (westbound is all about "To 270"), but yes, odd that no one ever thought to sign Gaithersburg or Laurel (the local destinations).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dirt Roads on June 26, 2022, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 25, 2022, 09:49:37 PM
Well, the original BGS was this and still no Baltimore:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvahighways.com%2F495vintage%2F70Sat270.jpg&hash=bcfc1f5cb41633f6529f301e8e7cbb23bd1cddae)
from 1969 Congressional hearings on "Highway Safety, Design, and Operations - Freeway Signing and Geometrics"

Wow.  I didn't realize that the Spur was once I-270 proper (and in its entirety).  Perhaps this is the only Interstate that "lost" its number due to renumbering of its parent (and in this case, lost its number to its parent)?  The other cases that I can think of simply changed numbers for both parent and child.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on June 30, 2022, 08:54:53 PM
Get ready to say bye bye to the brick crosswalks along MD 818 (Main Street/former US 113) in Berlin.

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2022/06/29/brick-crosswalks-being-replaced-in-berlin/

And out at the current US 113's intersection with MD 376 (which goes to a dead end at MD 611, which takes you south from there to Assateague Island), improvements for safety are almost complete.

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2022/06/30/striping-improved-work-nearly-complete-at-route-113-intersection/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 19, 2022, 07:25:15 AM
Quote from: ixnay on June 30, 2022, 08:54:53 PM
Get ready to say bye bye to the brick crosswalks along MD 818 (Main Street/former US 113) in Berlin.

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2022/06/29/brick-crosswalks-being-replaced-in-berlin/

What a shame...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 19, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
Update on the MD 32 Widening Project: (https://mdot-sha-md32-i70-to-linden-church-rd-ho7565370-1-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

Quote07/15/2022 - MDOT SHA continues to make progress on the $127 million widening and improvement project on MD 32 between Linden Church Road and I-70 in Howard County.

Two additional travel lanes — one northbound and one southbound — will open to traffic this afternoon, Friday, July 15. Additional work will be completed over the next several weeks, and a second ramp lane will open from northbound MD 32 to westbound I-70 for enhanced traffic operations at the interchange.

The project started in summer 2019 and is the second phase of the dualization of MD 32. This phase included widening 6.6 miles of MD 32 and constructing a median for added safety. Phase I widened MD 32 between MD 108 (Clarksville Pike) and Linden Church Road and was completed in summer 2019.

Remaining work includes installation of new roadway signs, rumble strips and raised pavement markers within the project limits. Occasional single-lane closures will be required to complete remaining work, and motorists are asked to stay alert and use caution in the work zones.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 21, 2022, 06:16:33 AM
All of these things have happened on time; the widening works on MD 32 are now substantially complete. My perception is that most of the remaining road works will be finished by next month and all of the non-road works will be complete by September.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on July 22, 2022, 07:37:59 PM
This is a great project.  And quite needed for this area which will see great growth as outskirts of Baltimore (and the greater Washington area, to a lesser extent).  It will also help direct traffic from I-70 straight to the middle of B-W corridor and Annapolis.

And this roadway is an expressway, not a freeway.  The new part will still have at-grade intersections in certain locations, but no signals except at Frederick Road and at the I-70 on ramps.

This is a wonderful milestone.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2022, 11:45:42 AM
I drove that stretch about a month ago, at which point each direction of MD 32 was on the final carriageway but with the left lane coned off pending final paving & marking. Glad to hear it's fully opened now.

I wonder if the I-70 interchange will ever be revisited in the future - IIRC, there were previously larger plans for that interchange before being slimmed down to simply a 2nd left-turn lane for MD 32 NB -> I-70 WB.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NE2 on July 23, 2022, 08:07:50 PM
I forget if this has been mentioned, but in addition to other known uses (MD 140, MD 956), MD 9 was also used on the Baltimore-Harrisburg Expressway (and MD 10 was the Baltimore-Washington Expressway). See https://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1800/s1884/000000/000037/pdf/msa_s1884_000037.pdf pp. 18 and 22.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on July 23, 2022, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 23, 2022, 08:07:50 PM
I forget if this has been mentioned, but in addition to other known uses (MD 140, MD 956), MD 9 was also used on the Baltimore-Harrisburg Expressway (and MD 10 was the Baltimore-Washington Expressway). See https://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1800/s1884/000000/000037/pdf/msa_s1884_000037.pdf pp. 18 and 22.

Yes - 

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=19333.0
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 24, 2022, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 19, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
Update on the MD 32 Widening Project: (https://mdot-sha-md32-i70-to-linden-church-rd-ho7565370-1-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

Quote07/15/2022 - MDOT SHA continues to make progress on the $127 million widening and improvement project on MD 32 between Linden Church Road and I-70 in Howard County.

Two additional travel lanes — one northbound and one southbound — will open to traffic this afternoon, Friday, July 15. Additional work will be completed over the next several weeks, and a second ramp lane will open from northbound MD 32 to westbound I-70 for enhanced traffic operations at the interchange.

The project started in summer 2019 and is the second phase of the dualization of MD 32. This phase included widening 6.6 miles of MD 32 and constructing a median for added safety. Phase I widened MD 32 between MD 108 (Clarksville Pike) and Linden Church Road and was completed in summer 2019.

Remaining work includes installation of new roadway signs, rumble strips and raised pavement markers within the project limits. Occasional single-lane closures will be required to complete remaining work, and motorists are asked to stay alert and use caution in the work zones.

An update from my MD 32 drive yesterday.  There were two left turn lanes opened from MD 32 NB to I-70 WB. 

Also the Burntwoods Rd interchange is signed as Exit 25.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 26, 2022, 08:09:03 AM
Quote from: mrsman on July 22, 2022, 07:37:59 PM
And this roadway is an expressway, not a freeway.  The new part will still have at-grade intersections in certain locations, but no signals except at Frederick Road and at the I-70 on ramps.

What about those flashing yellows like on 301 on the Eastern Shore?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 26, 2022, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 26, 2022, 08:09:03 AM
Quote from: mrsman on July 22, 2022, 07:37:59 PM
And this roadway is an expressway, not a freeway.  The new part will still have at-grade intersections in certain locations, but no signals except at Frederick Road and at the I-70 on ramps.

What about those flashing yellows like on 301 on the Eastern Shore?
I do not remember seeing any offhand.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on July 28, 2022, 01:51:00 AM
Does the newly widened section of Route 32 have any "loons", as shown on the plans?

A loon is, according to http://www.cmtran.com/what-is-a-loon (http://www.cmtran.com/what-is-a-loon) (a drawing and more details are on the page),
Quote...pavement that is constructed outside of the normal traffic lanes to allow for larger vehicles to safely make a U-turn on a divided roadway.

There are apparently 1 or 2 of these bulb-like turning areas, each paired with the median breaks for the "Michigan lefts" associated with the remaining at-grade intersections.

A loon is also a cool-looking species of black-and-white waterfowl, but these are only found at more northern latitudes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 28, 2022, 07:30:32 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on July 28, 2022, 01:51:00 AM
Does the newly widened section of Route 32 have any "loons", as shown on the plans?

A loon is, according to http://www.cmtran.com/what-is-a-loon (http://www.cmtran.com/what-is-a-loon) (a drawing and more details are on the page),
Quote...pavement that is constructed outside of the normal traffic lanes to allow for larger vehicles to safely make a U-turn on a divided roadway.

There are apparently 1 or 2 of these bulb-like turning areas, each paired with the median breaks for the "Michigan lefts" associated with the remaining at-grade intersections.

A loon is also a cool-looking species of black-and-white waterfowl, but these are only found at more northern latitudes.

Yes, there are two sets of them. One set is at an un-marked "For Authorized Use Only" crossover north of the emergency half-intersection with the entrance to the SHA and Howard County maintenance facilities. The other set is at a fully signposted superstreet turnaround, and is located north of the Middle Patuxent River beyond the dual bridge spans over a small tributary of that river. The rumble strips are continuous across both sets of loons on both sides of the dual carriage way.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on July 28, 2022, 09:54:11 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on July 28, 2022, 01:51:00 AM
Does the newly widened section of Route 32 have any "loons", as shown on the plans?

When MD-404 was 4-laned last decade, SHA called these "J-turns" .
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on July 28, 2022, 10:39:26 AM
My preferred term is "Michigan left", because I'm a native Midwesterner. But I think "loon" is a more creative one, since I never heard of it being used on this forum until now. (FWIW, Carpenter Marty Transportation, where the term "loon" came from, has offices in Columbus, OH; Charleston, WV; and Cincinnati, OH.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: lepidopteran on July 28, 2022, 12:54:16 PM
I thought that the "loon" referred specifically to the additional, bump-out of pavement to help facilitate the U-turn associated with the Michigan Left.  They are not found, for example, on the 2 J-turns connected to MD-3/Crain Hwy. and Waugh Chapel Rd, since the roadways there are already wide enough that most vehicles can turn around without hitting the opposing curb or ditch.

I first read about the term loon in an ODOT report about a new superstreet section of US-35 (https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/projects/projects/102421#:~:text=Construction%20on%20the%20%2414.9%20million,completed%20in%20late%20Spring%202022.), now apparently home to the only remaining signalized, at-grade intersections between I-75 in Dayton and I-64 near Charleston, WV.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 28, 2022, 04:47:24 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 28, 2022, 10:39:26 AM
My preferred term is "Michigan left", because I'm a native Midwesterner. But I think "loon" is a more creative one, since I never heard of it being used on this forum until now. (FWIW, Carpenter Marty Transportation, where the term "loon" came from, has offices in Columbus, OH; Charleston, WV; and Cincinnati, OH.)

I'm a native Midwesterner as well, but we don't call them "Michigan Lefts" .  Technically, they aren't to begin with.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on July 31, 2022, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2022, 11:45:42 AM
I drove that stretch about a month ago, at which point each direction of MD 32 was on the final carriageway but with the left lane coned off pending final paving & marking. Glad to hear it's fully opened now.

I wonder if the I-70 interchange will ever be revisited in the future - IIRC, there were previously larger plans for that interchange before being slimmed down to simply a 2nd left-turn lane for MD 32 NB -> I-70 WB.

The outgoing Gov. Hogan is largely responsible for very pro-highway policies.  Toll reductions and highway expansions, including this project, are largely a result of his policies. 

I believe that very likely further improvements would have to be a priority of the next governor.  Improvements to MD-32/I-70 interchange are certainly warranted, but to be implemented, it would have to be a funding priority of the next governor.  I would venture to guess that if a Democrat wins the election, transportation funding would be more heavily focused on transit and alternative transit as opposed to roads.  While there may still be funding to complete projects already in progress and for maintenance (like repaving), I doubt that we will see new funding for expansion projects in a Democrat administration.

So if Wes Moore is our new governor, I don't think we will see improvements to this interchange or any progress on the 270/495 HOT lanes, but we will probably see some funding for East-West transit in Baltimore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on July 31, 2022, 07:01:10 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 31, 2022, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2022, 11:45:42 AM
I drove that stretch about a month ago, at which point each direction of MD 32 was on the final carriageway but with the left lane coned off pending final paving & marking. Glad to hear it's fully opened now.

I wonder if the I-70 interchange will ever be revisited in the future - IIRC, there were previously larger plans for that interchange before being slimmed down to simply a 2nd left-turn lane for MD 32 NB -> I-70 WB.

The outgoing Gov. Hogan is largely responsible for very pro-highway policies.  Toll reductions and highway expansions, including this project, are largely a result of his policies. 

I believe that very likely further improvements would have to be a priority of the next governor.  Improvements to MD-32/I-70 interchange are certainly warranted, but to be implemented, it would have to be a funding priority of the next governor.  I would venture to guess that if a Democrat wins the election, transportation funding would be more heavily focused on transit and alternative transit as opposed to roads.  While there may still be funding to complete projects already in progress and for maintenance (like repaving), I doubt that we will see new funding for expansion projects in a Democrat administration.

So if Wes Moore is our new governor, I don't think we will see improvements to this interchange or any progress on the 270/495 HOT lanes, but we will probably see some funding for East-West transit in Baltimore.

I thought Moore flip flopped to supporting the 270/495 toll lanes
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on August 04, 2022, 07:08:13 PM
The dualized MD 32 between MD 108 and I-70 was opened today,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/newly-widened-maryland-route-32-opens-in-howard-county/ar-AA10jeOu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f36f0241a44542a2b5f384944aa12df9
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on August 04, 2022, 07:15:56 PM
Quote from: ixnay on August 04, 2022, 07:08:13 PM
The dualized MD 32 between MD 108 and I-70 was opened today,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/newly-widened-maryland-route-32-opens-in-howard-county/ar-AA10jeOu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f36f0241a44542a2b5f384944aa12df9
And all of MD's traffic woes evaporated!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 04, 2022, 07:51:11 PM
I guess the official ceremony was today.  The opening was so three weeks ago  (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24933.msg2757174#msg2757174).   :D
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 05, 2022, 09:09:43 AM
Meanwhile a little further west on I-70 from MD 32, exit 59 is now a complete interchange as of Tuesday...the new eastbound offramp opened that morning (and I coincidentally drove thru the interchange later that day).

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4314&PageId=818
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 05, 2022, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 05, 2022, 09:09:43 AM
Meanwhile a little further west on I-70 from MD 32, exit 59 is now a complete interchange as of Tuesday...the new eastbound offramp opened that morning (and I coincidentally drove thru the interchange later that day).

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4314&PageId=818

What an improvement! I was always irked by the lack of a complete interchange at this location. I understand why it was like that but I don't fully understand why it took this long to build the missing ramps. I suppose it had to do with the increase in development along Frederick Road east of the interchange.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 05, 2022, 02:37:45 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on August 05, 2022, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 05, 2022, 09:09:43 AM
Meanwhile a little further west on I-70 from MD 32, exit 59 is now a complete interchange as of Tuesday...the new eastbound offramp opened that morning (and I coincidentally drove thru the interchange later that day).

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4314&PageId=818

What an improvement! I was always irked by the lack of a complete interchange at this location. I understand why it was like that but I don't fully understand why it took this long to build the missing ramps. I suppose it had to do with the increase in development along Frederick Road east of the interchange.

The boldfaced is exactly why - my understanding is that MDOT SHA would have gotten around to it eventually, but likely not for several more years, if they had funded this themselves. However, both this new EB offramp and the WB onramp that opened a few years ago were funded by developers (presumably a condition stipulated in the approved traffic impact study for the continuing development around Oakdale High School).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: RoadPelican on August 07, 2022, 02:47:51 PM
2 Questions:

Is the Speed Limit on the MD 32 Freeway from I-97 to Columbia (still 55)?

Also, what is the Speed Limit on the new widened section (MD 108 to I-70)?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 07, 2022, 08:51:33 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on August 07, 2022, 02:47:51 PM
2 Questions:

Is the Speed Limit on the MD 32 Freeway from I-97 to Columbia (still 55)?

Also, what is the Speed Limit on the new widened section (MD 108 to I-70)?

Yes, and mostly 55 but I believe that it reduces as it approaches I-70.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on August 07, 2022, 10:18:23 PM
Since the newly widened portion was built as a non-limited-access highway, it would be restricted to 55 mph. Realistically, it can probably handle 70 mph, but state law would not allow anything over 55 mph.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 18, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
Re: I-95 Fort McHenry Tunnel AET conversion:

Peaking at one of the traffic cams in the area shows that the new gantries were finally installed within the past few days, with the actual tolling equipment not yet mounted on the gantries.

Screenshots from 2 of the traffic cams in the area:

(https://i.imgur.com/APhF5mr.jpg)
The southbound toll gantry, located just before the tunnel portals. The northbound toll gantry is slightly offset & located just behind the vantage point of this camera.

(https://i.imgur.com/NikJnd6.jpg)
The southbound toll gantry viewed from the other side. While not readily visible, the northbound toll gantry is immediately behind the gantry spanning the entire highway that has VMS's on the southbound side & toll signage on the northbound side. Also visible in the distance is progress on the partial toll plaza demolition, which per July 2022-streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2660931,-76.5620798,3a,44.7y,10.65h,87.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSCEmfSN7RLNTy-41mk6GlQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) appears to be almost ready to go as soon as the AET equipment is mounted & tested.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on August 19, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Triple Bridges website: http://bit.ly/TripleBridges. Design-Build. No details yet. D-B team to be selected early 2024.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on August 20, 2022, 07:41:11 PM
Drove through the ETL expansion project. Looks like speed cameras will be coming to 95 south around MD 152, though not sure what they are doing that would warrant them. I did see some median work closer to White Marsh, and there is the overhead bridge work for 152, but that's it.

Congestion is definitely getting worse on 95 SB. There was a backup from near Bel Air to Aberdeen at 3 PM on a Saturday. Seems to be routine now. It always breaks up suddenly at the top of the hill before MD 24, but it's hard to believe slow moving trucks are the cause.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 21, 2022, 07:18:49 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 18, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
Re: I-95 Fort McHenry Tunnel AET conversion:

Peaking at one of the traffic cams in the area shows that the new gantries were finally installed within the past few days, with the actual tolling equipment not yet mounted on the gantries.

Screenshots from 2 of the traffic cams in the area:

(https://i.imgur.com/APhF5mr.jpg)
The southbound toll gantry, located just before the tunnel portals. The northbound toll gantry is slightly offset & located just behind the vantage point of this camera.

(https://i.imgur.com/NikJnd6.jpg)
The southbound toll gantry viewed from the other side. While not readily visible, the northbound toll gantry is immediately behind the gantry spanning the entire highway that has VMS's on the southbound side & toll signage on the northbound side. Also visible in the distance is progress on the partial toll plaza demolition, which per July 2022-streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2660931,-76.5620798,3a,44.7y,10.65h,87.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSCEmfSN7RLNTy-41mk6GlQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) appears to be almost ready to go as soon as the AET equipment is mounted & tested.

I never realized the bores' entrances were staggered like that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 27, 2022, 06:34:54 PM
Few days late, but Marty Bass was at the Hanover sign shop this week for a WJZ segment.
https://twitter.com/MDSHA/status/1562069757892911104
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on August 28, 2022, 08:31:14 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 27, 2022, 06:34:54 PM
Few days late, but Marty Bass was at the Hanover sign shop this week for a WJZ segment.
https://twitter.com/MDSHA/status/1562069757892911104

that looks like an old font
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 28, 2022, 01:13:03 PM
There's no sign of any construction progress on the Sheetz near BWI Airport, and no project entries have been added to the MDOT SHA Project Portal home page to document any proposed alterations to MD 170 or MD 995. I had expected construction to be fairly advanced by now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on August 31, 2022, 12:43:35 PM
I was noticing that MD 2 ends on a dead end just south of where it diverges from MD 4 in Lusby, MD.  Considering that both MD2 & MD 4 have lengthy overlap, it seems odd that it would end so soon after the two split. 

Why not just truncate either MD 2 or MD 4 and nix the long concurrency?   Or is there a prominent reason for MD 2 to exist so far south?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on September 01, 2022, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 31, 2022, 12:43:35 PM
I was noticing that MD 2 ends on a dead end just south of where it diverges from MD 4 in Lusby, MD.  Considering that both MD2 & MD 4 have lengthy overlap, it seems odd that it would end so soon after the two split. 

Why not just truncate either MD 2 or MD 4 and nix the long concurrency?   Or is there a prominent reason for MD 2 to exist so far south?

I think it's just inertia. From brushing up a little on both route's history:

-1927: MD 2 was designated from the start to extend down Solomons Island Road to Solomons, while MD 4 as originally designated continued east from the Hills Bridge over the Patuxent River (along what is now MD 408) to end at MD 2 in Lothian
-1930: Southern Maryland Boulevard (originally MD 416) was built to cut the corner from MD 4 at Hills Bridge to MD 2 in Sunderland
-1960: The MD 416 designation is extended beyond Sunderland into an overlap with MD 2, continuing to both route's southern terminus in Solomons
-1965: MD 4 is realigned onto MD 416, which is decommissioned, while the former MD 4 east of Hills Bridge becomes MD 408, thus first creating the 2-4 overlap that initially ends in both routes terminating in Solomons
-1977: The Governor Thomas Johnson Bridge is completed & MD 4 is extended over it into St. Mary's County

So basically I think it's just the timing of MD 2 being there first combined with the time period of both routes terminating together in Solomons prior to the TJ Bridge being completed. Sure it's technically a pointless overlap now, but the 2-4 corridor is known as the primary route thru Calvert County & I imagine it's well-established amongst locals that MD 2 is the way to Annapolis & Baltimore while MD 4 is the way to DC.

I don't know for sure on this, but I wonder if MD 2 originally extended further into Solomons or if it's always ended around the current location (now the intersection with Lore Road & the ramp from MD 4 NB just beyond the TJ Bridge).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on September 01, 2022, 09:33:14 PM
MD 2 ended at this Farren Dr location until 11/30/98 - https://goo.gl/maps/LHdef8hqxJ2oP2P8A then turned west on Charles St

MD 749 until that date was a U-shape route using Williams/Carls Way and Farren Dr.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on September 02, 2022, 09:27:09 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/6mLi5qAVsqRnRXK6A
Also see MDSHA doesn't sign MD 2 at the Solomons Island Road Exit.

However it signs it at the last J Turn before MD 4 crosses  the Patuxtent River.
https://goo.gl/maps/UDnBRkZq1VBPg6wh8
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on September 02, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2022, 09:27:09 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/6mLi5qAVsqRnRXK6A
Also see MDSHA doesn't sign MD 2 at the Solomons Island Road Exit.

However it signs it at the last J Turn before MD 4 crosses  the Patuxtent River.
https://goo.gl/maps/UDnBRkZq1VBPg6wh8


MD 2 south is still (now erroneously) signed south of Lore Rd:
https://goo.gl/maps/5Po99FCZyxkR8qYf9

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on September 05, 2022, 06:38:05 PM
Went to the north side of Annapolis from Aberdeen for a cookout today, Exit 74 is a complete mess right now, the Old Mountain Road bridge is gone, signs repositioned and tons of dirt moved. Sound barriers between LGF bridge and Old Joppa Road finally going up. ROW for new northbound lanes between 67 and 74 clearly delineated. The southbound approach to the 895 split may have been augmented by new signage since the last time I went down that way.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on September 05, 2022, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants
Would like to have seen:
1.  I-95 from 495 to 695 being 12/14 lanes
2.  I-70 from 270 to 81 being 6 lanes
3.  I-95 Tydings bridge being replaced with 8 lanes and full shoulders
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 06, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants 


I would add the rehab of the I-68 viaduct as a new major project
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on September 06, 2022, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 06, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants 


I would add the rehab of the I-68 viaduct as a new major project

The replacement of the bridges carrying I-95/495 over MD 4 jumps out at me too - those bridges look pretty rough both crossing over & passing under, and would join the growing lost of recently-replaced beltway bridges in that area. (The bridges over Suitland Rd, Suitland Parkway, & MD 214 were all recently replaced.)

Quote from: bluecountry on September 05, 2022, 08:48:41 PM
Would like to have seen:
1.  I-95 from 495 to 695 being 12/14 lanes
2.  I-70 from 270 to 81 being 6 lanes
3.  I-95 Tydings bridge being replaced with 8 lanes and full shoulders

I recall the Tydings Bridge replacement (along with 8-laning to Delaware) being in the MDTA's long-range master plan for the JFK Highway, but I have no idea what that timeline is (if there even is one). I did see a "Structural Rehabilitation of the Millard E. Tydings Memorial Bridge" in the draft CTP, however, so it'll probably be awhile yet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on September 09, 2022, 06:37:12 AM
"MD-404 - Denton to MD-14 study" ??? Has to be a typo. MD-16, perhaps?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 12, 2022, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on August 20, 2022, 07:41:11 PM
Drove through the ETL expansion project. Looks like speed cameras will be coming to 95 south around MD 152, though not sure what they are doing that would warrant them. I did see some median work closer to White Marsh, and there is the overhead bridge work for 152, but that's it.

WORK ZONE SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT BEGINS ON SOUTHBOUND I-95 IN HARFORD COUNTY (https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/work-zone-speed-camera-enforcement-begins-southbound-i-95-harford)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on September 19, 2022, 09:45:54 AM
The original design for the rebuilt I-95/I-695 interchange did include express lane ramps. There used to be renderings online, but I don't know if they're still available (I believe at one point one of them had been posted on this forum and I do not remember what to search for to find them). I believe they eliminated those ramps due to the cost.


Edited to add: I found a smaller version of that rendering.

(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/avenuenews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/e6/ae693139-aecf-5cd8-af09-017544c36db8/4f31985191200.image.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on September 19, 2022, 07:04:51 PM
i might be misremembering, but i recall there being mention at the time that they would be built during a future phase. the stub ramps on the express lanes on the north end of the interchange, and the footings for the northbound toll gantry here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3613433,-76.4774184,62m/data=!3m1!1e3) lend some credence to that theory.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on September 20, 2022, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

This is the highest amount of words I've eaten around this site.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on September 29, 2022, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

Yea I was gonna say you can see on 95 at 695 N of Baltimore how there appears to be ghost ramps, of course maybe this is just the reincarnation of the I-70 ramp off I-95 in Baltimore!

I disagree about 695/95 south of Baltimore, at the very least, the exit from NB 95 to NB 695 needs a major redo.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on September 30, 2022, 12:07:04 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 29, 2022, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.
I disagree about 695/95 south of Baltimore, at the very least, the exit from NB 95 to NB 695 needs a major redo.

I think the bigger issue there is 695 immediately northwest of the interchange - the left-exit certainly isn't ideal, but that ramp only becomes congested because of the spill-back from 695 dropping from 6 to 4 lanes exiting the interchange. I've had more than a few nerve-wracking moments at rush-hour where the left-lane of 95 NB is crawling approaching that ramp while the other 3 lanes are flying by full-speed.

The ramp from 695 SB/EB to 95 NB, meanwhile...very similar to the 70 EB-695 NB situation where bridge constraints force the ramp to drop from 2 lanes to 1 halfway thru, whereas the reverse movement is fully 2 lanes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on October 16, 2022, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Maybe not actually... I imagine that little traffic that is exiting/entering at the new interchange is going to want to use the service area, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 17, 2022, 07:49:37 AM
Quote from: famartin on October 16, 2022, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Maybe not actually... I imagine that little traffic that is exiting/entering at the new interchange is going to want to use the service area, and vice versa.

Certainly not daily commuters, unless they have time to raid the brochure racks.  :)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on October 17, 2022, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Here's the latest diagram I could find, it looks like the ramps will be channelized to prevent weaving.
(https://i.imgur.com/UNGGoIa.png)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 17, 2022, 04:45:07 PM
Work on remainder of US-219 funded:
https://twitter.com/mdsha/status/1582080303182405639
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 17, 2022, 06:52:01 PM
Will this include an enhanced interchange with I-68?  How will PA respond?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 17, 2022, 07:04:17 PM
In regard to US 219 in PA:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2410.msg2749493;topicseen#msg2749493

The I-68 interchange was redone a part of the recent US 219 relocation so I doubt anything further will change there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 17, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
I would have rather the funds allocated to the long-planned bypass of downtown Oakland. This project is good but the Oakland Bypass is equally good.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on October 18, 2022, 07:57:30 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 17, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
I would have rather the funds allocated to the long-planned bypass of downtown Oakland. This project is good but the Oakland Bypass is equally good.

I seem to recall local opposition to that one.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on October 18, 2022, 11:58:45 AM
Quote from: Alex4897 on October 17, 2022, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Here's the latest diagram I could find, it looks like the ramps will be channelized to prevent weaving.
(https://i.imgur.com/UNGGoIa.png)
Man I've driven through here three times in the last week and didn't know they started building this.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on October 17, 2022, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Here's the latest diagram I could find, it looks like the ramps will be channelized to prevent weaving.
(https://i.imgur.com/UNGGoIa.png)
It looks like there is exactly one impossible movement: SB ramp left turn to head north. Why??
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on October 18, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on October 17, 2022, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Here's the latest diagram I could find, it looks like the ramps will be channelized to prevent weaving.
(https://i.imgur.com/UNGGoIa.png)
It looks like there is exactly one impossible movement: SB ramp left turn to head north. Why??

That might be a mistake in their drawing. At least I would hope so.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on October 18, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
https://mdta.maryland.gov/I-95_At_Belvidere_Road_Interchange/study

That page seems to have much more info than I could find last week. Main purpose is to facilitate truck access to the Principo business park located south of I-95. Perhaps it is intentional that the above-noted movement is omitted.

Editing to add: until "winter 22-23" , the only step seem to be "getting organized" , so it's not surprising that nothing is yet evident from I-95 itself.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2022, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: plain on October 18, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
It looks like there is exactly one impossible movement: SB ramp left turn to head north. Why??

That might be a mistake in their drawing. At least I would hope so.
I wrote them to that effect to post a clearer drawing since it's entering construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on October 18, 2022, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 17, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
I would have rather the funds allocated to the long-planned bypass of downtown Oakland. This project is good but the Oakland Bypass is equally good.

If PennDOT is going to fund their section now, I'm in favor of MD moving ahead as well. Grantsville to Meyersdale is the last two-lane portion of the US 219 corridor in this area and the existing road in PA could use an upgrade.

I'd have rather seen the Oakland bypass finished than the part that Maryland has already built immediately north of I-68. The Oakland bypass would be useful in taking truck traffic out of downtown. The part that was built by I-68 basically just bypasses a truck stop and, IMHO, made the I-68 interchange worse than what was there before.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on October 19, 2022, 03:20:42 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: plain on October 18, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
It looks like there is exactly one impossible movement: SB ramp left turn to head north. Why??

That might be a mistake in their drawing. At least I would hope so.
I wrote them to that effect to post a clearer drawing since it's entering construction.

I dug a bit more and was able to find the main page for the project here, (https://mdta.maryland.gov/I-95_At_Belvidere_Road_Interchange/home) it looks like the mistake carried over onto their most up-to-date graphics here as well.


Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

Construction on the ramps tying into the northbound ETL lanes is apparently slated for construction in 2025. (https://mdta.maryland.gov/I95ETLNB/I-695_Northbound_ETL_Ramps)

(https://i.imgur.com/TqOYdZH.png)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on October 23, 2022, 06:54:35 AM
Quote from: Alex4897 on October 19, 2022, 03:20:42 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: plain on October 18, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
It looks like there is exactly one impossible movement: SB ramp left turn to head north. Why??

That might be a mistake in their drawing. At least I would hope so.
I wrote them to that effect to post a clearer drawing since it's entering construction.

I dug a bit more and was able to find the main page for the project here, (https://mdta.maryland.gov/I-95_At_Belvidere_Road_Interchange/home) it looks like the mistake carried over onto their most up-to-date graphics here as well.


Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

Construction on the ramps tying into the northbound ETL lanes is apparently slated for construction in 2025. (https://mdta.maryland.gov/I95ETLNB/I-695_Northbound_ETL_Ramps)

(https://i.imgur.com/TqOYdZH.png)
Once again, I ought to bite my tongue sometimes.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 25, 2022, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 27, 2020, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 26, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 25, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
It was not especially easy to find on the MDOT/SHA Web site, but there is indeed a 2018 Highway Location Reference for calendar year 2018 for Baltimore City!  Last one I have seen was back in 2005.  It is here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/CO24_HLR.pdf) (as the 24th county).

It faithfully includes the 0.14 mile long segment of I-70 that is in the city.
But I thought I-70 ends at I-695 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3071085,-76.7859071,3a,35.2y,129.64h,99.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smadcJI7hDdfrjrxHZoOfLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1).  :)

When it comes to the extent of state-maintained highways in Maryland, I consider the Highway Location Reference to be canon.
I know it actually ends at the park and ride, don't worry! (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3019725,-76.7089911,3a,31.4y,1.48h,90.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIaIqMBkvlPhllUwRlJTGKg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Not anymore, apparently! I was looking up info on the reconstruction of the I-70/I-695 stack and discovered that MDOT did finally get around to officially truncating I-70. It's now MD 570, and is documented as such by Mike Pruett (http://www.mdroads.com/routes/560-579.html#md570) and in the Baltimore County HLR (linked here (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/2020%20Baltimore%20County.pdf)).

I still firmly believe that the crime-ridden, forensically challenged no-go zone of Leakin Park does not quite meet the spirit of the protections offered by Section 4(f) legislation, and that someday a limited-access freeway should be built east of MD 122 deeper into the city. But it won't be a chargeable Interstate if it is built anytime soon, thanks to this truncation.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Duke87 on October 27, 2022, 01:18:54 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 25, 2022, 09:59:12 PM
I still firmly believe that the crime-ridden, forensically challenged no-go zone of Leakin Park does not quite meet the spirit of the protections offered by Section 4(f) legislation

Regardless of what you may think of Leakin Park, when push comes to shove in court the letter of the law matters and the spirit does not.

I would also argue that the true spirit of such legislation was to obstruct the construction of controversial infrastructure projects, so there is no real inconsistency with the spirit here anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 27, 2022, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 27, 2022, 01:18:54 AM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 25, 2022, 09:59:12 PM
I still firmly believe that the crime-ridden, forensically challenged no-go zone of Leakin Park does not quite meet the spirit of the protections offered by Section 4(f) legislation

Regardless of what you may think of Leakin Park, when push comes to shove in court the letter of the law matters and the spirit does not.

I am in complete agreement. Whatever the condition of the park, and whatever has or had happened there, it is still a park and it is still very, very unlikely to ever be affected by the construction of a major highway. I suspect that it will remain as-is for a very, very long time.

Quote from: Duke87 on October 27, 2022, 01:18:54 AM
I would also argue that the true spirit of such legislation was to obstruct the construction of controversial infrastructure projects, so there is no real inconsistency with the spirit here anyway.

That's an interesting argument to make, and a valid one, given the truncation and removal of other highway segments in other locations that were intended to pass through parkland of some sort.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on October 28, 2022, 01:05:31 PM
Two random Maryland observations:

-I've seen Maryland's use of horizontal arrows for sharp exit ramps discussed in multiple places across the forum, but recently it appears MDOT SHA & MDTA may have started slowly moving away from it. A few MDTA signs on I-95 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2667348,-76.5612554,3a,43.1y,70.03h,88.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT-zMk3HJ5SEmQ8XZMwiHhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) & I-895 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.278902,-76.5532158,3a,19.2y,11.43h,99.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shebXURC06EN8BwlIyrErog!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) in Baltimore have had the horizontal arrows patched to mostly-but-not-entirely horizontal. Meanwhile MDOT SHA seems to be phasing out some horizontal arrows as signs get replaced, such as exit 15B on I-695 north (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2864616,-76.7386872,3a,47y,329.53h,90.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRG3ApcRQ8zSxc8cnLaZ58A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), but exit 1 on I-195 leaving BWI (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1865825,-76.6798352,3a,75y,309.35h,87.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9KEldgPXtJ1T6CjHOk4jDQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) was also patched (based on observation from earlier this week - there isn't a recent streetview showing the updated arrow patched over the horizontal arrow shown).  There's plenty of other horizontal arrows still out there, but an interesting trend regardless IMHO.

-MDTA finally completed the backlog processing of COVID-deferred video tolls based on a post on the DriveEzMD home page, and with that hopefully the saga of lagging E-ZPass trip postings from MDTA is over. As a reference point, a trip thru the BHT from 10/26 posted today in under 36 hours, which is the shortest MDTA lag time I've had on my account since DriveEzMD went live.

(https://i.imgur.com/lKfjjPD.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on October 28, 2022, 01:48:03 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on October 19, 2022, 03:20:42 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: plain on October 18, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
It looks like there is exactly one impossible movement: SB ramp left turn to head north. Why??

That might be a mistake in their drawing. At least I would hope so.
I wrote them to that effect to post a clearer drawing since it's entering construction.

I dug a bit more and was able to find the main page for the project here, (https://mdta.maryland.gov/I-95_At_Belvidere_Road_Interchange/home) it looks like the mistake carried over onto their most up-to-date graphics here as well.


Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

Construction on the ramps tying into the northbound ETL lanes is apparently slated for construction in 2025. (https://mdta.maryland.gov/I95ETLNB/I-695_Northbound_ETL_Ramps)

(https://i.imgur.com/TqOYdZH.png)
When will they have a SB exit from 95 to 695?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on October 28, 2022, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on October 28, 2022, 01:05:31 PM
Two random Maryland observations:

-I've seen Maryland's use of horizontal arrows for sharp exit ramps discussed in multiple places across the forum, but recently it appears MDOT SHA & MDTA may have started slowly moving away from it. A few MDTA signs on I-95 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2667348,-76.5612554,3a,43.1y,70.03h,88.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT-zMk3HJ5SEmQ8XZMwiHhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) & I-895 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.278902,-76.5532158,3a,19.2y,11.43h,99.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shebXURC06EN8BwlIyrErog!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) in Baltimore have had the horizontal arrows patched to mostly-but-not-entirely horizontal. Meanwhile MDOT SHA seems to be phasing out some horizontal arrows as signs get replaced, such as exit 15B on I-695 north (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2864616,-76.7386872,3a,47y,329.53h,90.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRG3ApcRQ8zSxc8cnLaZ58A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), but exit 1 on I-195 leaving BWI (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1865825,-76.6798352,3a,75y,309.35h,87.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9KEldgPXtJ1T6CjHOk4jDQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) was also patched (based on observation from earlier this week - there isn't a recent streetview showing the updated arrow patched over the horizontal arrow shown).  There's plenty of other horizontal arrows still out there, but an interesting trend regardless IMHO.

sign replacements at exit 109 mean these (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6411919,-75.8023533,3a,75y,291.61h,103.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm2e_7OOdpwte0vKyXNtxAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) horizontal arrows are gone, too
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 28, 2022, 08:54:27 PM
MD 818 aka Berlin's Main Street will soon see the start of a repaving.

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2022/10/27/main-street-paving-to-begin-next-week/

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 30, 2022, 08:35:56 AM
Does everybody here remember my posts about the liquor stores along US 301, which includes a Jimmie's Paddock liquor store combined with a Citgo gas station in White Plains, Maryland?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24933.msg2463733#msg2463733

Well, I know it's late for me to post this (almost a year late), but the last time I drove through White Plains, the gas station was gone.

Maybe somebody read my post and demanded one or the other was closed.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 01, 2022, 04:57:14 PM
Raphel Road on Sunday

(https://i.imgur.com/PaBT7FU.jpeg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on November 09, 2022, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on August 19, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Triple Bridges website: http://bit.ly/TripleBridges. Design-Build. No details yet. D-B team to be selected early 2024.

Have a survey:
https://twitter.com/mdsha/status/1590479792230604801
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 18, 2022, 01:05:20 PM
I think that this sign on MD 210 is the only time that a route reference in text has been on a speed limit sign that I know of.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882421412692&set=a.10217882434013007)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on November 18, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on November 18, 2022, 01:05:20 PM
I think that this sign on MD 210 is the only time that a route reference in text has been on a speed limit sign that I know of.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882421412692&set=a.10217882434013007)

I'm sure it's because of the service road to the right. It's a new sign–Street View has September 2022 imagery just to the north in which that sign is there, but when you click further south to try to see it, it jumps back to June 2022 and the sign isn't there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 19, 2022, 05:55:39 PM
Explanation?????

(https://i.imgur.com/FvcZLTg.jpeg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: odditude on November 19, 2022, 06:40:39 PM
https://chart.maryland.gov/incidents/index.php says "roadwork"
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on November 19, 2022, 06:41:35 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on November 19, 2022, 05:55:39 PM
Explanation?????

(https://i.imgur.com/FvcZLTg.jpeg)

They closed I-895 southbound for construction.
https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-traffic-advisories/work-result-temporary-closure-southbound-i-895-moravia-road
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on December 28, 2022, 06:51:04 PM
Our next installment in the "Virtual Tour" series is a special New Year's Eve edition that will take place on Saturday (12/31) at 3 PM ET (please note the difference in start time). Come join me and members of the AARoads community as we profile Interstates 97 and 83 across central Maryland and southern Pennsylvania and discuss the history and features of these highways all while enjoying a real-time video trip along the length of two of America's shortest mainline interstate highways.

A link to the event location can be found below and we look forward to seeing you in attendance:

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Jmiles32 on January 05, 2023, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/

Glad to see this much needed project finally moving forward. Are there any designs available yet for how Maryland plans to upgrade the three interchanges along this stretch? The I-70 one in particular I'm curious about as currently there does not appear to be enough room for a third lane underneath those bridges.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on January 07, 2023, 11:39:51 AM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 05, 2023, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/

Glad to see this much needed project finally moving forward. Are there any designs available yet for how Maryland plans to upgrade the three interchanges along this stretch? The I-70 one in particular I'm curious about as currently there does not appear to be enough room for a third lane underneath those bridges.

There's approximately 36ft of median (measured as edge-of-lane to edge-of-lane) under I-70.  That's enough for 2 more lanes but not enough to also carry full shoulders.

Did some digging and found SHA's INFRA Grant Application (https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/tso/pages/Index.aspx?PageId=195) for this project.  The attached tech drawing (https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/I-81_Technical_Phase2Engineering_Drawings.pdf) suggests that they're ONLY going to add lanes to the inside and repave the existing lanes and Halfway Blvd interchange.  Construction will end just north of Halfway Blvd.

There's also a link to the 2004 EA and FONSI (https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/I-81_EAandFONSI_Final_Complete.pdf).  This is the basis for future phases to bring the widening up to the Pennsylvania line.  The only "interchange improvements" the EA considers for future phases are a rebuild of the I-70/I-81 ramps to provide wider radii on the loops, replacing the I-70 bridges over I-81, the possibility of C/D roads on I-81 between I-70 and Halfway Blvd, and removing the 2 on-ramp loops at both US 40/National Pike (Exit 6) and Showalter Rd (Exit 10) to eliminate weaving.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on January 09, 2023, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/
Thanks god.
What really needs to be done is:

1.  Complete redo of the 70/270/15 interchange
2.  Ditto for the 70/81

Those cloverleafs are dated for a much smaller era of traffic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 09, 2023, 02:45:58 PM
Update from MDTA on the AET conversion at the Fort McHenry Tunnel:

(https://i.imgur.com/rONUTfJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on January 09, 2023, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on November 09, 2022, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on August 19, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Triple Bridges website: http://bit.ly/TripleBridges. Design-Build. No details yet. D-B team to be selected early 2024.

Have a survey:
https://twitter.com/mdsha/status/1590479792230604801
While I'm sure many of us would be sad to see the stack interchange go, I think we can all agree that it was an impractical idea from the start, as the freeway to the east had virtually no chance of being completed and, as a result, dead-ended at a Park & Ride with very little traffic. Maybe things would've been different if the whole thing was done as planned, but we will never know now. As for the interchange replacement itself, I see the existing NB-WB and EB-NB movements retained as flyovers, but two loop ramps (SB-EB and WB-SB) and a C-D road southbound as the major changes to it. Even without that Red Line, I still think that Cooks Blvd (the modified at-grade realignment with an intersection standing in for Exit 94) should be done anyway, as there really is no need for an interchange at MD 122, given how light traffic is.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 10, 2023, 07:13:30 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 09, 2023, 02:45:58 PM
Update from MDTA on the AET conversion at the Fort McHenry Tunnel:

(https://i.imgur.com/rONUTfJ.jpg)

Gonna miss the old tollbooth
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 10, 2023, 08:33:11 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on January 09, 2023, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/
Thanks god.
What really needs to be done is:

1.  Complete redo of the 70/270/15 interchange
2.  Ditto for the 70/81

Those cloverleafs are dated for a much smaller era of traffic.

Are there current problems with the 70/270/15 interchange? I always felt that the serious pinch point in Frederick was the absence of a flyover for US 15's northbound movement from US 340 east to US 40 west. That left turn at the eastern edge of the interchange where the freeway transitions to Jefferson Street is a serious impediment to free-flowing movements through the interchange, and the US 40 carriage ways are already grade separated and laid out for a flyover to merge in anyway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/

Quote from: bluecountry on January 09, 2023, 12:37:09 PM
Thanks god.
What really needs to be done is:

1.  Complete redo of the 70/270/15 interchange
2.  Ditto for the 70/81

Those cloverleafs are dated for a much smaller era of traffic.

Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 10, 2023, 08:33:11 AM
Are there current problems with the 70/270/15 interchange? I always felt that the serious pinch point in Frederick was the absence of a flyover for US 15's northbound movement from US 340 east to US 40 west. That left turn at the eastern edge of the interchange where the freeway transitions to Jefferson Street is a serious impediment to free-flowing movements through the interchange, and the US 40 carriage ways are already grade separated and laid out for a flyover to merge in anyway.

There is a left turn movement from US-340 onto the ramp for northbound US-15, but there is still a parclo leaf remaining from the original cloverleaf for the same movement.  This loop ramp looks has been there for quite some time, but I wonder if it was removed for a while and then added back.  I still remember this interchange as a full cloverleaf, so there have probably been several changes since the days when I used this movement frequently.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 11, 2023, 01:25:49 PM
It figures there would be a speed trap on 95 north as soon as you get on in White Marsh.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 11, 2023, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/

Quote from: bluecountry on January 09, 2023, 12:37:09 PM
Thanks god.
What really needs to be done is:

1.  Complete redo of the 70/270/15 interchange
2.  Ditto for the 70/81

Those cloverleafs are dated for a much smaller era of traffic.

Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 10, 2023, 08:33:11 AM
Are there current problems with the 70/270/15 interchange? I always felt that the serious pinch point in Frederick was the absence of a flyover for US 15's northbound movement from US 340 east to US 40 west. That left turn at the eastern edge of the interchange where the freeway transitions to Jefferson Street is a serious impediment to free-flowing movements through the interchange, and the US 40 carriage ways are already grade separated and laid out for a flyover to merge in anyway.

There is a left turn movement from US-340 onto the ramp for northbound US-15, but there is still a parclo leaf remaining from the original cloverleaf for the same movement.  This loop ramp looks has been there for quite some time, but I wonder if it was removed for a while and then added back.  I still remember this interchange as a full cloverleaf, so there have probably been several changes since the days when I used this movement frequently.

The original loop ramp has always been in service, and I believe the left-turn was added to supplement it (similar to the US 29 NB -> I-70 WB situation) as part of the interchange modification project that removed the US 40 WB -> US 15 SB/US 340 WB loop ramp and replaced it with a left-turn at the top of the Jefferson St ramp. A flyover for US 15 NB would certainly help, but I'm not sure how you squeeze it in with the proximity of the MD 180/Ballenger Creek Pike interchange to the southwest & the US 40/Patrick St interchange to the north.

Otherwise the only recurring problem I can think of at that interchange is congestion on I-70 WB during the afternoon commute (especially heavy on Fridays), but I think that has more to do with I-70's 2-lane capacity leading out of the interchange towards Hagerstown. (That said, the current lane situation is also less than ideal - 3 lanes enter the interchange along I-70 WB, it briefly swells to 5 lanes with the left onramp from I-270 NB, then shrinks to 2 within a half-mile as the 2 right lanes exit-only for I-270 SB & US 15 SB/US 340 WB combined with the left-most lane ending.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 11, 2023, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on January 11, 2023, 01:25:49 PM
It figures there would be a speed trap on 95 north as soon as you get on in White Marsh.

Yep.  It does nothing to boot because there have been multiple accidents further up in the work zone as drivers resume their high speeds.  If anything, Maryland should take a page from its northern neighbor and place its cameras somewhere other than prior to entering a work zone.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bsmart on January 20, 2023, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 11, 2023, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 04, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
Sounds like Gov. Hogan made one outgoing designation to advance widening of I-81

https://governor.maryland.gov/2023/01/03/governor-hogan-announces-funding-to-advance-100-million-i-81-project-critical-for-western-maryland-regional-supply-chain/

Quote from: bluecountry on January 09, 2023, 12:37:09 PM
Thanks god.
What really needs to be done is:

1.  Complete redo of the 70/270/15 interchange
2.  Ditto for the 70/81

Those cloverleafs are dated for a much smaller era of traffic.

Quote from: TheOneKEA on January 10, 2023, 08:33:11 AM
Are there current problems with the 70/270/15 interchange? I always felt that the serious pinch point in Frederick was the absence of a flyover for US 15's northbound movement from US 340 east to US 40 west. That left turn at the eastern edge of the interchange where the freeway transitions to Jefferson Street is a serious impediment to free-flowing movements through the interchange, and the US 40 carriage ways are already grade separated and laid out for a flyover to merge in anyway.

There is a left turn movement from US-340 onto the ramp for northbound US-15, but there is still a parclo leaf remaining from the original cloverleaf for the same movement.  This loop ramp looks has been there for quite some time, but I wonder if it was removed for a while and then added back.  I still remember this interchange as a full cloverleaf, so there have probably been several changes since the days when I used this movement frequently.

The original loop ramp has always been in service, and I believe the left-turn was added to supplement it (similar to the US 29 NB -> I-70 WB situation) as part of the interchange modification project that removed the US 40 WB -> US 15 SB/US 340 WB loop ramp and replaced it with a left-turn at the top of the Jefferson St ramp. A flyover for US 15 NB would certainly help, but I'm not sure how you squeeze it in with the proximity of the MD 180/Ballenger Creek Pike interchange to the southwest & the US 40/Patrick St interchange to the north.

Otherwise the only recurring problem I can think of at that interchange is congestion on I-70 WB during the afternoon commute (especially heavy on Fridays), but I think that has more to do with I-70's 2-lane capacity leading out of the interchange towards Hagerstown. (That said, the current lane situation is also less than ideal - 3 lanes enter the interchange along I-70 WB, it briefly swells to 5 lanes with the left onramp from I-270 NB, then shrinks to 2 within a half-mile as the 2 right lanes exit-only for I-270 SB & US 15 SB/US 340 WB combined with the left-most lane ending.)

At US-15 and 340 the righthand loop to north 15 was SUPPOSED to be closed when the new left hand ramp opened.  It was an era when they were trying to close as many traditional cloverleafs as possible because of conflicts from people exiting and entering in the same short space.  When they opened the 'new' left hand ramp and closed the righthand loop traffic was snarled as through trucks suddenly tried to move across two lanes of traffic at the last minute only to get tangled with local commuters who were trying to go to downtown Frederick along Jefferson St. (what the road continues as after 340 ends)  As a 'temporary measure' they reopened the ramp and then made it permanent and put in the curb and knockdown poles so that once you commited to the loop you stayed committed.  The loop from 40 (what that short section of expressway between I-70 and Jefferson St actually is) up to 340/15 south was replaced with the ramp up to Jefferson St with a light controlled left to Southbound 340/15.

As far as the I-70/270 interchange I've given up hope that it can be fixed.  The work they are just finishing (at least I think they are finishing) on the MD-85/I-270 interchange is still becoming 'known' to the locals.  Many don't realize that the ramp coming onto 270 from Eastbound 70 now continues until the northbound MD-85 exit (lots of traffic going to Sam's Club, Walmart, and Lowes, etc)  so they fight to move to the left only to come back to the right when they realize the lane continues to where they want to get off.

Coming out 270 and going west on 70 is always an adventure.  Do you stay in the far left lane and hope (or force) your way one to the right when your lane ends or do you take the right lane and hope that truck barrelling up 70 stays in the lane he is in or slides left into your lane.  Then when it all comes quickly to a crawl do you stay with the two thru lanes or do you push right and get onto the exit collector for 340 and stay on it till it rejoins I-70 in which case you play dodge-em with the cars coming south from 15 who are trying to get over to go south on 15/340 (They should have taken the ramp from 15 south to Jefferson St 15/340 south before they got that far but the signs encourage them to do it this way.  The same with all the Montgomery County people who came up I-270 and want to get on 340 to go to the Casino out 340 in Charlestown.  The signs direct them up I-70 west and then tell them to cut across 3 lanes of traffic (all of I-70 coming from Baltimore) to take the exit for 340 West.  It should be signed to go up to Jefferson street to go out 340.  And this is the solution after we lived through over 10 years of building and rebuilding that entire spaghetti bowl.

They need to at least  1)  direct  340/15S traffic up to Jefferson street instead of onto 70 from 270 (I would like to see them send traffic from 70 that way to and close the ramp to 340 off 70 and just use that collector to get traffic from 15 to 70);  2) widen I-70 at least from where270 joins (don't make the left lane merge right) past Mt Phillip Rd (where the 3rd lane begins for the long upgrade up Braddock Heights).  But what do I know I've only been driving it for 30 years.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on January 20, 2023, 07:38:51 PM
Introducing Berlin's newest stoplight...

https://www.oceancitytoday.com/news/signal-on-at-dangerous-berlin-intersection/article_6c5a1050-9829-11ed-aeaf-e70d3970de64.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 24, 2023, 07:39:05 PM
Governor Wes Moore, following his inauguration last Wednesday, has announced his nominee for transportation secretary and it's someone the DMV is familiar with:

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/paul-wiedefeld-maryland-transportation-secretary-nominee/42642055

Quote
ANNAPOLIS, Md. –
Maryland Gov. Wes Moore on Tuesday named Paul Wiedefeld the state's nominee for secretary of transportation.

Wiedefeld, whose appointment is pending Senate confirmation, most recently served as the general manager of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority.

Transportation plays a big role in Moore's plans for Maryland's future, whether it's dealing with congestion closer to the American Legion Bridge, bringing back east-west transit in Baltimore City through the resurgence of the Red Line rail project, addressing delays to the Purple Line, and MARC's recent outage.

Assuming the Senate confirmation proceeds uneventfully, up next comes the interesting part of seeing what happens with the Legion Bridge & I-495/I-270.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on January 24, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 24, 2023, 07:39:05 PM
Governor Wes Moore, following his inauguration last Wednesday, has announced his nominee for transportation secretary and it's someone the DMV is familiar with:

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/paul-wiedefeld-maryland-transportation-secretary-nominee/42642055

Quote
ANNAPOLIS, Md. –
Maryland Gov. Wes Moore on Tuesday named Paul Wiedefeld the state's nominee for secretary of transportation.

Wiedefeld, whose appointment is pending Senate confirmation, most recently served as the general manager of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority.

Transportation plays a big role in Moore's plans for Maryland's future, whether it's dealing with congestion closer to the American Legion Bridge, bringing back east-west transit in Baltimore City through the resurgence of the Red Line rail project, addressing delays to the Purple Line, and MARC's recent outage.

Assuming the Senate confirmation proceeds uneventfully, up next comes the interesting part of seeing what happens with the Legion Bridge & I-495/I-270.

Interesting. Wiedefeld isn't a road guy. Hello, Baltimore Red Line!
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 25, 2023, 01:08:50 PM
It seems like SHA has replaced the US 1 Bus. shields in Bel Air from Tollgate southward so many times. I saw what looked like another new one today at the south end.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 25, 2023, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on January 24, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 24, 2023, 07:39:05 PM
Governor Wes Moore, following his inauguration last Wednesday, has announced his nominee for transportation secretary and it's someone the DMV is familiar with:

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/paul-wiedefeld-maryland-transportation-secretary-nominee/42642055

Quote
ANNAPOLIS, Md. –
Maryland Gov. Wes Moore on Tuesday named Paul Wiedefeld the state's nominee for secretary of transportation.

Wiedefeld, whose appointment is pending Senate confirmation, most recently served as the general manager of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority.

Transportation plays a big role in Moore's plans for Maryland's future, whether it's dealing with congestion closer to the American Legion Bridge, bringing back east-west transit in Baltimore City through the resurgence of the Red Line rail project, addressing delays to the Purple Line, and MARC's recent outage.

Assuming the Senate confirmation proceeds uneventfully, up next comes the interesting part of seeing what happens with the Legion Bridge & I-495/I-270.

Interesting. Wiedefeld isn't a road guy. Hello, Baltimore Red Line!

There's a lot of MARC-related projects that I would like to see built, but there's a lot more road-related projects (like the US 50 grade separation between US 301 and MD 404 inclusive) that I would also like to see built. I hope the SHA isn't starved of its share of the budget, and I hope the MdTA is given free rein to do its thing in the bond markets to continue their ongoing and future construction work.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 09, 2023, 12:02:23 PM
(From DelDOT though this is related to MD 568, the detour does include DE roads such as DE 54)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Maryland Road Closure to Detour Traffic on Delaware Roads (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9416)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on February 11, 2023, 10:13:38 PM
I might be starting a job in the near future based in Annapolis Junction, does Maryland have any plans to relieve the congestion on MD-32?
(https://i.imgur.com/WaHFjWp.png)

The freeway is currently only 4 lanes between 95 and the BWP, but clearly has space for more.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on February 12, 2023, 12:57:16 PM
It always amazes me how the BW Pkwy has so much congestion given how there are not many exits and it passes through mostly undeveloped green space.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on February 12, 2023, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on February 12, 2023, 12:57:16 PM
It always amazes me how the BW Pkwy has so much congestion given how there are not many exits and it passes through mostly undeveloped green space.
I wonder why...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Maryl
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 12, 2023, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on February 11, 2023, 10:13:38 PM
I might be starting a job in the near future based in Annapolis Junction, does Maryland have any plans to relieve the congestion on MD-32?
(https://i.imgur.com/WaHFjWp.png)

The freeway is currently only 4 lanes between 95 and the BWP, but clearly has space for more.

There are no plans to fix the chronic congestion along this segment of MD 32. I have to deal with this segment regularly and there are many problems with the current layout:

- The loop ramp from MD 175 west to MD 32 west doesn't have enough room for traffic to accelerate from 15-25mph to 65-70mph.
- The ramp from MD 175 east to MD 32 west has some kind of geometry issue that discourages people from accelerating until they reach the very end of the ramp.
- Both of MD 32's mainline bridges through the MD 175 interchange lack shoulders, which squeezes the travel lanes and causes some drivers to slow down unnecessarily.
- The ramp from MD 198 to MD 32 east also doesn't have enough room for traffic to accelerate from 10-15mph to 65-70mph. Because of the roundabout at the intersection of MD 198 and the ramps, some vehicles are entering the on-ramp at very low speeds.

A LOT of regional traffic travels along MD 198 east to MD 32 east, and from I-95 along MD 32 east, and then exits at MD 175 east to cross the Northeast Corridor and eventually reach MD 3 and I-97. In the opposite direction, a LOT of regional traffic from MD 3 and I-97 funnels down into the loop ramp from MD 175 west to MD 32 west, and then it either exits at MD 198 west or continues further west to I-95. Because of the presence of the North Tract of the Patuxent Wildlife Research Refuge, direct access from the B-W Parkway and I-95 to MD 3 and US 301 either requires traveling along MD 32/198 and MD 175, or traveling along MD 197 to MD 450 or US 50. This means that the four-lane segment of MD 32 between MD 198 and MD 175 is forced to carry a lot of regional traffic that would otherwise have used a straighter route through the area that is now part of the Refuge.

The easiest solution IMO would be to widen MD 32 east to three lanes between the MD 198 on-ramp and the MD 175 off-ramp, and to widen MD 32 west between the on-ramp from MD 175 west and the off-ramp to MD 198. There are plans on the books to build a flyover from MD 32 west to MD 198 west that bypasses the entire interchange, and would tie into a proposed four-lane expansion of MD 198 between MD 32 and rhe B-W Parkway, but I suspect that this will only provide modest improvement.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 14, 2023, 01:33:43 PM
An interesting graphic tweeted out by MDTA on Valentine's Day, of all days!

Two minor nitpicks (because that's what we do here):
-A few of the agencies listed (such as DelDOT & DRJTBC) use AET at one facility (namely US 301 & the Scudder Falls Bridge, respectively) but still accept cash at their other facilities
-The T in SJTA is Transportation, not Turnpike  ;-)

https://twitter.com/TheMDTA/status/1625525282064175105?cxt=HHwWgsDQrbaog48tAAAA
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on February 14, 2023, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 12, 2023, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on February 12, 2023, 12:57:16 PM
It always amazes me how the BW Pkwy has so much congestion given how there are not many exits and it passes through mostly undeveloped green space.
I wonder why...  :hmmm:
Yes why
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on February 14, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Maybe because it's a 4 lane freeway that carries over 100,000 AADT between Washington and Baltimore, all within a metropolitan area of 10 million people?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on February 17, 2023, 10:23:22 AM
The cover story of this month's Baltimore Magazine is about the sunken freeway on B'more's west side...

https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/businessdevelopment/highway-to-nowhere-baltimore-expressway-demolished-black-neighborhoods/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 18, 2023, 08:23:02 AM
https://twitter.com/adamtuss/status/1626737464625733632
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on February 25, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 14, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Maybe because it's a 4 lane freeway that carries over 100,000 AADT between Washington and Baltimore, all within a metropolitan area of 10 million people?
But there is not any real intense development here, or constant merges and exits.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on February 25, 2023, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on February 25, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 14, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Maybe because it's a 4 lane freeway that carries over 100,000 AADT between Washington and Baltimore, all within a metropolitan area of 10 million people?
But there is not any real intense development here, or constant merges and exits.

It passes through mostly NPS land or other US Gov't property, so there wouldn't be much development alongside it.

It is, however, an alternative to I-95 between DC and Baltimore and a major commuter route to some of the government facilities it runs through.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cockroachking on February 25, 2023, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on February 25, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 14, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Maybe because it's a 4 lane freeway that carries over 100,000 AADT between Washington and Baltimore, all within a metropolitan area of 10 million people?
But there is not any real intense development here, or constant merges and exits.
Even if there were no exits along said stretch, it still wouldn't change the fact that 2 lanes can only support a certain LOS at certain volumes.* In this case, the volumes simply exceed the cutoffs for the throughput required to maintain a reasonable LOS.

*The northbound NYS Thruway from Harriman to Kingston on a Friday evening is a perfect example of this; Exit spacing averages roughly 15 miles or so, but there are still volume related slowdowns on and off the whole way, not just at the few exits.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: RoadPelican on February 26, 2023, 06:14:44 PM
The BW Parkway passes right by a lot of busy places. Fort Meade, Goddard Space Center, Arundel Mills Mall, 2 Casinos, BWI Airport. And at the very end of the road is M&T Bank Stadium and Oriole Park at Camden Yards AND a little further up is Lexington Market.

Plus, you have explosive growth in the counties it passes thru: Anne Arundel and Howard.

AND it has interchanges with SEVEN other freeways: I-495, MD 32, MD 100, I-195, I-695, I-895 and I-95.

The BW Parkway is certainly not a laidback country interstate such as I-10 in northern Florida.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on February 27, 2023, 10:31:02 PM
The television show Motorweek briefly in the mid 80s used a section of uncompleted highway to do its performance tests, does anyone know where this is? This would've been in 1982
(https://i.imgur.com/NIjNHbY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/xyLTRwb.png)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on February 28, 2023, 12:27:11 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on February 27, 2023, 10:31:02 PM
The television show Motorweek briefly in the mid 80s used a section of uncompleted highway to do its performance tests, does anyone know where this is? This would've been in 1982
(https://i.imgur.com/NIjNHbY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/xyLTRwb.png)
Just read a Wikipedia article about this show after reading the above post.  In the article, under Road Test, it was mentioned that these performance tests were done at a "then unfinished highway at an undisclosed location" before the 75-80 Dragway in Frederick, MD became its main test track.

At first, I thought that the freeway test track used was where I-795 is now since the show was produced in Owings Mills, MD.  However, looking at GSV, I cannot seemingly find a similar area along I-795, so I do not have an idea as to where these tests were filmed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on February 28, 2023, 09:47:09 AM
I always thought it was along unopened I-795. Because of the orientation of the yellow/black striped sign in the lower picture, it appears the car is going the opposite direction of the eventual traffic. I think it's about 2 miles north of the beltway, where the highway curves over the train tracks. Street view below is from after light rail was added to the median. I'm too lazy to search for the actual video...
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4026926,-76.766468,3a,75y,162.18h,84.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_qLiTc5PxGc3j15VPnwVwQ!2e0!5s20211001T000000!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4026926,-76.766468,3a,75y,162.18h,84.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_qLiTc5PxGc3j15VPnwVwQ!2e0!5s20211001T000000!7i16384!8i8192)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2FAAroads%2FI795_StreetView.jpg&hash=3c6250389751a307ed9f1d33918794c5a4d28c3c)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on February 28, 2023, 10:17:48 AM
Don't believe I-795 is correct.  Bridge at GMSV is dated 1984 and does not match the bridge railing in the video.  If the 1982 date is accurate, I-795 wasn't built yet.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on February 28, 2023, 10:30:51 AM
Do we know for sure those are in Maryland? The first place I thought of is the never-finished stub end of PA-23 in the Bridgeport/King of Prussia area, although I don't think that's right because of the bridge–that stub of PA-23 doesn't appear to have one anywhere. Assuming the Wikipedia article's wording has any significance (which is not always the case), the words "then unfinished highway" ("then unfinished" should be hyphenated, but whatever) would appear to rule out never-completed roads.

Edited to add: OK, I see that show is an MPT production based in Owings Mills. That would certainly suggest Maryland. I assume none of what is now I-97 existed at that time. The road looks wide enough to be somewhere on the northern portion of what is now I-97 (between MD-32 and I-695), but it seems likely to be too long ago. MD-32 and MD-100 have both been extended multiple times–perhaps one of them? The other possibility that comes to mind, though I highly doubt this one, would be somewhere along I-95 in Baltimore because that road was virtually unused prior to the Fort McHenry Tunnel opening just before Thanksgiving in 1985.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 28, 2023, 10:48:28 AM
The 2nd screenshot from Kernals' post reminds me of I-70 departing what is now the park-&-ride (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3015426,-76.7116567,3a,75y,274.08h,93.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9DRxmyOscy6z-ZzphqPtyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), but I-70's Wikipedia page notes that the stretch from I-695 to Security Blvd was completed in 1969 so that timeline might not work. Unless the westbound lanes east of the Ingleside Ave onramp were never fully opened until after I-70's fate in Baltimore was sealed? A quick historic aerials check shows that the park-&-ride was setup sometime between 1981 & 1989.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on February 28, 2023, 12:49:29 PM
If you watch the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMsXLYFU0pU  you will see it is clearly I-70 at what is now the park and ride.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 12:51:55 PM

If it helps, here's some footage starting at 1:15
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 01:20:58 PM
I-70 definitely makes the most sense given the width of the road being shown. Also, the location was described as being "unopened" not "under contruction".
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 28, 2023, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 01:20:58 PM
I-70 definitely makes the most sense given the width of the road being shown. Also, the location was described as being "unopened" not "under contruction".

Agreed with you & Mapmikey that it definitely is - the additional video you posted clearly shows the sudden end of pavement and what appears to be the offramp to Security Blvd northbound. Some of the shots facing west appear to show live traffic on the eastbound side with "road closed"-type barricades forcing traffic to the right, which would make sense with eastbound traffic being forced off at Security Blvd prior to the park-&-ride being created (in addition to my speculation in my earlier post that westbound wasn't open upstream of the onramp from Ingleside Ave).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 01:33:43 PM
Welp, I, jmacswimmer and mapmikey were wrong. It was 795.

(https://i.imgur.com/Dt9hIKM.png)

Given that 795 goes by Owings Mills, that makes sense
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on February 28, 2023, 03:27:40 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 01:33:43 PM
Welp, I, jmacswimmer and mapmikey were wrong. It was 795.

(https://i.imgur.com/Dt9hIKM.png)

Given that 795 goes by Owings Mills, that makes sense

The 1982 historic aerials show no part of 795 in existence (not even land cleared), the bridges are dated 1983 or 1984 and are the wrong railing type.  Also the concrete in the video is not new.

The video clearly shows the I-70 freeway EB being forced off at Security Blvd (and if it is not that, what part of 795 was traffic using?).

Also the pavement and bridge surface in the 2nd still shot above matches this view exactly https://goo.gl/maps/BFjjHyMgawXnqA4s5

While they may have used 795 at some point, they did not do so in 1982.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: plain on February 28, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
That lady is probably got something mixed up. That was definitely I-70 in that vid.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 28, 2023, 06:00:26 PM
Later MotorWeek videos show testing on a newish concrete road with BGSes in the background. Maybe that was I-795?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on February 28, 2023, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: plain on February 28, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
That lady is probably got something mixed up. That was definitely I-70 in that vid.
After watching a few more videos and checking and re-checking GSV, I also concur that the section of highway in those 1982-83 videos was the area of the Park and Ride at the end of I-70.  Those 1985 videos are probably I-795.  Remember, the show started testing at the 75-80 Dragway in Frederick around 1986.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 28, 2023, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: plain on February 28, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
That lady is probably got something mixed up. That was definitely I-70 in that vid.
After watching a few more videos and checking and re-checking GSV, I also concur that the section of highway in those 1982-83 videos was the area of the Park and Ride at the end of I-70.  Those 1985 videos are probably I-795.  Remember, the show started testing at the 75-80 Dragway in Frederick around 1986.



Nope, they were filming at 75-80 as early as 1982.

(https://i.imgur.com/yBTF5ff.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kMTiinI.png)

In one test that aired in March 1986, they were at a different unfinished highway. I'm guessing that the drag strip was closed for winter.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: amroad17 on February 28, 2023, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 28, 2023, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: plain on February 28, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
That lady is probably got something mixed up. That was definitely I-70 in that vid.
After watching a few more videos and checking and re-checking GSV, I also concur that the section of highway in those 1982-83 videos was the area of the Park and Ride at the end of I-70.  Those 1985 videos are probably I-795.  Remember, the show started testing at the 75-80 Dragway in Frederick around 1986.



Nope, they were filming at 75-80 as early as 1982.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 07:03:54 PM
It appears that they split their time between 75-80 and the I-70 P+R until 1984. I'm guessing that's where they'd go during winter when the drag strip was closed.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on February 28, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on February 28, 2023, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 28, 2023, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: plain on February 28, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
That lady is probably got something mixed up. That was definitely I-70 in that vid.
After watching a few more videos and checking and re-checking GSV, I also concur that the section of highway in those 1982-83 videos was the area of the Park and Ride at the end of I-70.  Those 1985 videos are probably I-795.  Remember, the show started testing at the 75-80 Dragway in Frederick around 1986.



Nope, they were filming at 75-80 as early as 1982.

(https://i.imgur.com/yBTF5ff.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kMTiinI.png)

In one test that aired in March 1986, they were at a different unfinished highway. I'm guessing that the drag strip was closed for winter.



These bottom 2 were filmed on MD 795.  See this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCUjmCZUzo which shows it signed (2:07 shows the opposite view at Franklin Blvd interchange; unobstructed MD 795 shield at 2:39).  They appear to be filming in this area: https://goo.gl/maps/YMF8agoX331ZT2kX6
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on March 01, 2023, 07:10:37 PM
It looks kind of strange to see the eastern end of I-70 without the Park & Ride, but I somehow suspected that they would use it for their test drives, so even with the mounting opposition to its continuation from MD 122 to I-95 (in fact, the part to I-170 was already cancelled in this timeframe), it wasn't completely wasted. The show probably stopped filming on I-70 when the Park & Ride plans were first known. But given that the show is produced in Owings Mills, conducting the tests on what is now I-795 made a whole lot of sense.

Man, that Chevette 1000 was a tortoise of a car, with a 0-60 time of half a minute! I wonder if this was the longest ever?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on March 01, 2023, 07:40:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 01, 2023, 07:10:37 PM
It looks kind of strange to see the eastern end of I-70 without the Park & Ride, but I somehow suspected that they would use it for their test drives, so even with the mounting opposition to its continuation from MD 122 to I-95 (in fact, the part to I-170 was already cancelled in this timeframe), it wasn't completely wasted. The show probably stopped filming on I-70 when the Park & Ride plans were first known. But given that the show is produced in Owings Mills, conducting the tests on what is now I-795 made a whole lot of sense.

Man, that Chevette 1000 was a tortoise of a car, with a 0-60 time of half a minute! I wonder if this was the longest ever?

They tested a Mack truck that couldn't make it to 60 mph before they ran out of drag strip, does that count?

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dirt Roads on March 01, 2023, 08:29:39 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 01, 2023, 07:10:37 PM
Man, that Chevette 1000 was a tortoise of a car, with a 0-60 time of half a minute! I wonder if this was the longest ever?

I had a friend (now passed) that competed with several modified Volkswagen Karmann Ghias in a drag race series.  His wife drove a VW Rabbit in a different series, and it had a top speed of about 45MPH.  It was nearly impossible to beat, as that series required a prediction of the runtime (and she couldn't kick out anything more, so she just stuck with a rolling average trip time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on March 02, 2023, 09:39:49 AM
It's a lot of fun to watch those old Motorweek segments. John Davis' complaints about a lack of voltmeters and oil pressure gauges are like a running gag. It's also funny when he describes an 11 second 0-60 time as "impressive".

It seems that after 1986, Motorweek finally had a big enough budget to not have to film on unused highways when 75-80 was closed and they made Robling Road Raceway in Savannah, GA their winter home.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 02, 2023, 11:08:57 PM
I love how the staff absolutely rakes every single interior control lever (including the gear shifter) as hard as possible in their "testing". Knowing the build quality of some of these 80s cars, I'm surprised nothing came flying off after doing all that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 03, 2023, 09:00:22 PM
Looks like the widening on SB I-95 between MD 543 and MD 24 may have started. There is a long shoulder closure and there was extensive earth moving behind the barrier.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on March 03, 2023, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 03, 2023, 09:00:22 PM
Looks like the widening on SB I-95 between MD 543 and MD 24 may have started. There is a long shoulder closure and there was extensive earth moving behind the barrier.

Nice.

If you think about it, the proportion of I-95 that is more than 12 lanes has increased dramatically in the last 15 years. First there was the 6 to 9 widening in New Jersey, then the express lanes from the Beltway to Fredericksburg, now this.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on March 06, 2023, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 03, 2023, 09:00:22 PM
Looks like the widening on SB I-95 between MD 543 and MD 24 may have started. There is a long shoulder closure and there was extensive earth moving behind the barrier.

This is part of my home stretch of I-95, and the southbound entrance from 543 has become a bottleneck as a result of it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on March 07, 2023, 11:17:22 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/national-park-service-to-implement-safety-improvements-for-baltimore-washington-parkway/

NPS is planning on replacing signs and installing guard rails on the BW Parkway soon
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on March 08, 2023, 08:19:18 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 03, 2023, 09:00:22 PM
Looks like the widening on SB I-95 between MD 543 and MD 24 may have started. There is a long shoulder closure and there was extensive earth moving behind the barrier.
So what are they doing?  I thought they were only adding NB express lanes?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on March 08, 2023, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on March 08, 2023, 08:19:18 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 03, 2023, 09:00:22 PM
Looks like the widening on SB I-95 between MD 543 and MD 24 may have started. There is a long shoulder closure and there was extensive earth moving behind the barrier.
So what are they doing?  I thought they were only adding NB express lanes?
Project seems to involve sound walls on both sides.
https://mdta.maryland.gov/I95ETLNB/Projects
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 09, 2023, 07:37:20 AM
There is a stopgap-type project in the works to add part-time shoulder lane use to I-95 SB between the Maryland House & MD 24 until the SB ETL's are eventually built, but I don't know whether that is the one that has started construction or if it's something else such as the sound walls for now.

Edited to add: https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/Maryland_Transportation_Authority.pdf - the shoulder lane project is on page 7 of that pdf, and based on the budgeted timeline that is most likely not the one currently under construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mcmc on March 14, 2023, 03:19:58 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 28, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
These bottom 2 were filmed on MD 795.  See this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCUjmCZUzo which shows it signed (2:07 shows the opposite view at Franklin Blvd interchange; unobstructed MD 795 shield at 2:39).  They appear to be filming in this area: https://goo.gl/maps/YMF8agoX331ZT2kX6

What's going on here? The signs don't add up. There was never a MD 795; it was always I-795. And why the NYS state speed limit sign? Was this some kind of proving ground or a real freeway?

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(https://i.ibb.co/0ZyRsfv/Screenshot-2023-03-14-at-12-17-11-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/K7xpK9S)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on March 14, 2023, 09:57:09 AM
Quote from: mcmc on March 14, 2023, 03:19:58 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 28, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
These bottom 2 were filmed on MD 795.  See this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCUjmCZUzo which shows it signed (2:07 shows the opposite view at Franklin Blvd interchange; unobstructed MD 795 shield at 2:39).  They appear to be filming in this area: https://goo.gl/maps/YMF8agoX331ZT2kX6

What's going on here? The signs don't add up. There was never a MD 795; it was always I-795. And why the NYS state speed limit sign? Was this some kind of proving ground or a real freeway?

(https://i.ibb.co/qnYv4xb/Screenshot-2023-03-14-at-12-17-51-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/j5kSxH7)
(https://i.ibb.co/0ZyRsfv/Screenshot-2023-03-14-at-12-17-11-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/K7xpK9S)

Can't speak to the speed limit sign because my experience in Maryland didn't start until the late 90s.

However, i can speak to the 795 signage.  The upper half of I-795 was not approved as an interstate until April 1984, so it is likely they had postings up before this date.  I don't know if MD 795 signs were up when it actually opened.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on March 14, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 14, 2023, 09:57:09 AM

What's going on here? The signs don't add up. There was never a MD 795; it was always I-795. And why the NYS state speed limit sign? Was this some kind of proving ground or a real freeway?

Can't speak to the speed limit sign because my experience in Maryland didn't start until the late 90s.

However, i can speak to the 795 signage.  The upper half of I-795 was not approved as an interstate until April 1984, so it is likely they had postings up before this date.  I don't know if MD 795 signs were up when it actually opened.

Not sure why the NYS "STATE SPEED LIMIT" sign in MD.  I grew up in NY State (and long thought ALL states posted speed limit signs as STATE SPEED LIMIT since my parents rarely traveled out of state by car), and I lived in Maryland from 2009-2021 (primarily in Westminster; MD-140 to I-795 to I-695 to I-83 was my usual route into Baltimore City).  AFAIK the speed limit on I-795 has always been 60 since it opened.  Why 60 and not 55 or 65 always had me scratching my head and shrugging my shoulders.

I assume MD-295 was similarly once planned to be I-295, never receiving Interstate approval?  It abruptly changes from DC-295 to I-295 on the southern half, and is I-295 in that tiny piece of Maryland it re-enters prior to its terminus at I-95/I-495.  MD-295 is also weird because of the technically unnumbered section under National Park Service jurisdiction/maintenance.

Then again, SHA seemingly has NO problem re-using Interstate numbers on state routes.  For example, MD-68 and I-68 (MD-68 actually has "no, you idiot, this is not I-68" signage on I-70, okay, the wording is more politically correct, but still).  There's also an MD-495 in Garrett County, which is far enough away from the DC suburbs and I-495 as to avoid any confusion there.

Most states don't use "Interstate" numbers on their state routes unless there's a section they're planning for Interstate designation.  (I-787 continues past Albany/Troy as NY-787, for example.  NY-878 never got Interstate approval, AFAIK).  I've seen see MD-695 shields in some old photos of the Baltimore Beltway section near the Key Bridge, so the MD-795 signs make sense here.

Did SHA ever consider extending I-795 up MD-140 toward Westminster?  Parts of 140 in that stretch look almost like 795, though it'd certainly be difficult to convert the rest to Interstate standards.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on March 14, 2023, 10:59:44 AM
Quote from: tckma on March 14, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
.... AFAIK the speed limit on I-795 has always been 60 since it opened.  Why 60 and not 55 or 65 always had me scratching my head and shrugging my shoulders.

....

I don't believe that could be correct because Maryland was one of the last states to allow speed limits higher than 55 mph, and they didn't do so until 1995. Not coincidentally, 1995 was Parris Glendening's first year as governor. His predecessor, William Donald Schaefer, was adamantly against allowing anything above 55 mph. I-795, meanwhile, was completed in 1987.

Edited to add: This article from the Baltimore Sun published on July 18, 1996 (https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1996-07-18-1996200076-story.html), says I-795 got a 60-mph speed limit in 1996 and that the feds had refused to allow a 65-mph speed limit on that road prior to the NMSL repeal.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on March 14, 2023, 11:56:50 AM
^ It's interesting how I-95, US-50, and parts of I-70 in western Maryland were originally only to go to 60 mph, but were all ultimately given 65 mph not too long after.

Having driven all of these segments, 65 mph seems far more reasonable than 60 mph, given traffic moves in excess of 70 mph. I-70 has since mostly been raised to 70 mph throughout the state.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: frankenroad on March 14, 2023, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 14, 2023, 10:52:11 AM

Then again, SHA seemingly has NO problem re-using Interstate numbers on state routes.  For example, MD-68 and I-68 (MD-68 actually has "no, you idiot, this is not I-68" signage on I-70, okay, the wording is more politically correct, but still).  There's also an MD-495 in Garrett County, which is far enough away from the DC suburbs and I-495 as to avoid any confusion there.


Not so much re-using interstate numbers on state routes, but having an interstate come along after the state highway already had that number.  MD-68 was commissioned in the 1920s, I-68 in the 1990s.  They should have renumbered MD-68 when I-68 was commissioned.  I always had to laugh at the "idiot" sign when I would pass by it.

When I-74 came to Ohio, OH-74 was renumbered to OH-32. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on March 14, 2023, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 14, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I assume MD-295 was similarly once planned to be I-295, never receiving Interstate approval?  It abruptly changes from DC-295 to I-295 on the southern half, and is I-295 in that tiny piece of Maryland it re-enters prior to its terminus at I-95/I-495.  MD-295 is also weird because of the technically unnumbered section under National Park Service jurisdiction/maintenance.

As far as I know MD 295 has never been planned to be an Interstate-grade highway, and until 1991 it was substandard to such an extent that it was completely rebuilt, nearly from scratch, starting in that year. Even now there are still ongoing efforts to re-engineer the NPS portion of the route to make it safer and more capable of handling the enormous intercity traffic flows it (barely) handles today.

I-295 in DC was intended to be the southeastern link between the Capital Beltway and Interchange B, the never-built confluence of I-66, I-95, I-295 and US 50 near Union Station. It would have formed the eastern arc of the Inner Loop freeway encircling the Capitol, the White House and the National Mall.

Quote from: tckma on March 14, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
Then again, SHA seemingly has NO problem re-using Interstate numbers on state routes.  For example, MD-68 and I-68 (MD-68 actually has "no, you idiot, this is not I-68" signage on I-70, okay, the wording is more politically correct, but still).  There's also an MD-495 in Garrett County, which is far enough away from the DC suburbs and I-495 as to avoid any confusion there.

Most states don't use "Interstate" numbers on their state routes unless there's a section they're planning for Interstate designation.  (I-787 continues past Albany/Troy as NY-787, for example.  NY-878 never got Interstate approval, AFAIK).  I've seen see MD-695 shields in some old photos of the Baltimore Beltway section near the Key Bridge, so the MD-795 signs make sense here.

The Maryland State Roads Commission and its successor agency MDOT SHA have never cared about conflict between state highway numbers and Interstate highway numbers, because they (correctly, IMO) believe that the driving public can tell the difference. What they do/did object to was conflict between US highway designations and state highway designations; today, the only known duplicate numbers in the system today are US 219/MD 219 and US 222/MD 222, and the former is an unsigned segment of a so-far incomplete bypass of downtown Oakland in Garrett County.

Quote from: tckma on March 14, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
Did SHA ever consider extending I-795 up MD-140 toward Westminster?  Parts of 140 in that stretch look almost like 795, though it'd certainly be difficult to convert the rest to Interstate standards.

No, the divided highway segment of MD 140 was never planned to be part of the Interstate system. The furthest north that a real freeway should/could reach is the intersection of MD 140 and MD 91, and doing that would require a LOT of right-of-way acquisition. Past that point, the existing project on the books to build grade separations at the major intersections between MD 27 and MD 97/Malcolm Road in downtown Westminster would substantially improve the capacity of the highway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on March 14, 2023, 09:11:53 PM
Went through the Fort McHenry southbound today for the first time since they got rid of cash payment (I've been through the Harbor Tunnel multiple times since then) and dodged a bullet when I went through what may have been the pay-by-plate scanners after getting distracted by my passenger who wanted me to get off at Keith Avenue (when I was going to get off at Russell Street, where I was dropping him off) and missed the splits for the E-ZPass booths. Just checked my account and the $3 was nonetheless deducted from it. On my return trip, I went through downtown to avoid paying the toll again northbound.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tckma on March 15, 2023, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on March 14, 2023, 05:13:21 PM
The Maryland State Roads Commission and its successor agency MDOT SHA have never cared about conflict between state highway numbers and Interstate highway numbers, because they (correctly, IMO) believe that the driving public can tell the difference. What they do/did object to was conflict between US highway designations and state highway designations; today, the only known duplicate numbers in the system today are US 219/MD 219 and US 222/MD 222, and the former is an unsigned segment of a so-far incomplete bypass of downtown Oakland in Garrett County.

Isn't MD-222 just a continuation of US-222, just like PA-222 is a continuation of US-222 at its other end?

Quote from: TheOneKEA on March 14, 2023, 05:13:21 PM
No, the divided highway segment of MD 140 was never planned to be part of the Interstate system. The furthest north that a real freeway should/could reach is the intersection of MD 140 and MD 91, and doing that would require a LOT of right-of-way acquisition. Past that point, the existing project on the books to build grade separations at the major intersections between MD 27 and MD 97/Malcolm Road in downtown Westminster would substantially improve the capacity of the highway.

That Malcolm Road project was on the books as far back as 2011; I remember seeing it when I was looking up roads in Westminster shortly after I moved there.  I doubt it will ever get built; Starbucks and Popeye's are both WAY too close to the road to allow for ramp construction, plus I *think* they built a new shopping center where the Ruby Tuesday used to be; they knocked down that building right before I moved out of Maryland.

Also right before I moved, SHA reconstructed the intersection of MD-140/MD-97 with North Center Street as the new mini-mall with the CVS was built replacing Len Stoler Chevrolet.  This involved widening North Center Street and putting in dedicated turn lanes.  Seems wasteful now to grade-separate that after that intersection was so recently expanded.

The layout of Gorsuch Road, both north of 140/97 going up the hill, and south of 140/97 with that rakish angle turn going behind the Domino's plaza, is such that I doubt any grade separation could be made there without creating a second intersection for the southern section of Gorsuch.  I doubt the owners of the shopping plaza or the Hess/Marathon station would like THAT very much.

I think Ralph Street @ 140/97 got new signal heads and mast arms recently.

I think it's safe to say that MD SHA has abandoned any plans for grade-separating interchanges along the MD-140/MD-97 concurrency between Malcolm Road and MD-27.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on March 15, 2023, 06:15:52 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 15, 2023, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on March 14, 2023, 05:13:21 PM
The Maryland State Roads Commission and its successor agency MDOT SHA have never cared about conflict between state highway numbers and Interstate highway numbers, because they (correctly, IMO) believe that the driving public can tell the difference. What they do/did object to was conflict between US highway designations and state highway designations; today, the only known duplicate numbers in the system today are US 219/MD 219 and US 222/MD 222, and the former is an unsigned segment of a so-far incomplete bypass of downtown Oakland in Garrett County.

Isn't MD-222 just a continuation of US-222, just like PA-222 is a continuation of US-222 at its other end?
It's an old segment of US 222, which was truncated from US 40 to US 1. It's not continuous since MD 222 ends at its junction with US 1, not at US 222.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 15, 2023, 06:51:53 PM
US 222 was truncated in 1995, since according to https://www.usends.com/222.html, "the road through Port Deposit (between Conowingo and Perryville) is narrow and not very conducive to truck traffic." Personally, I would have left MD 222 as US 222. Interestingly enough, MD 222's southern terminus is not at US 1, but at MD 7 at the corner of Aiken Avenue and Philadelphia Road. The only conclusion would be that MD 7 was once part of US 40 (which is accurate).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 20, 2023, 02:40:37 PM
Work is starting to replace bridges east of Exit 35 on I-70.  A temporary bridge is being constructed, and a speed camera has been installed eastbound (the first direction to be replaced).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
Horrific work-zone crash on I-695 just north of I-70 yesterday afternoon:

(The work-zone in question is a project involving the median barrier of I-695 in the area, with temporary barriers set up directly against the left lane in both directions.)

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/beltway-crash-6-dead-woodlawn-maryland/43389717
Quote
Six people were killed Wednesday afternoon in a crash on the westside of the Baltimore Beltway in Woodlawn.

According to Maryland State Police, troopers were called around 12:40 p.m. for reports of a pedestrian struck at a work zone on the Inner Loop of the Beltway near Security Boulevard.

A preliminary investigation indicates the car entered the work zone in between jersey walls, struck construction workers and overturned.

"The preliminary investigation, at this point, indicates that, for reasons unknown, an Acura traveled in between the jersey walls and struck the contract workers that were on that scene. All six contract workers were declared deceased at the scene by EMS personnel," Maryland State Police spokeswoman Elena Russo told 11 News.

Editting to add in the most recent news release from Maryland State Police: https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2023/03/22/state-police-identify-drivers-of-two-vehicles-involved-in-i-695-crash/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 23, 2023, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
Horrific work-zone crash on I-695 just north of I-70 yesterday afternoon:

(The work-zone in question is a project involving the median barrier of I-695 in the area, with temporary barriers set up directly against the left lane in both directions.)

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/beltway-crash-6-dead-woodlawn-maryland/43389717
Quote
Six people were killed Wednesday afternoon in a crash on the westside of the Baltimore Beltway in Woodlawn.

According to Maryland State Police, troopers were called around 12:40 p.m. for reports of a pedestrian struck at a work zone on the Inner Loop of the Beltway near Security Boulevard.

A preliminary investigation indicates the car entered the work zone in between jersey walls, struck construction workers and overturned.

"The preliminary investigation, at this point, indicates that, for reasons unknown, an Acura traveled in between the jersey walls and struck the contract workers that were on that scene. All six contract workers were declared deceased at the scene by EMS personnel," Maryland State Police spokeswoman Elena Russo told 11 News.

Editting to add in the most recent news release from Maryland State Police: https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2023/03/22/state-police-identify-drivers-of-two-vehicles-involved-in-i-695-crash/

Sounds like one vehicle hit another when changing lanes, causing the other one to lose control and veer into the work area.

Not sure if speed is a factor, but maybe we see MSP and SHA implement more speed cameras for temporary work zones.  I think all but one camera setup has been for permanent long-term work zones rather than temporary daily work zones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on March 23, 2023, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on March 23, 2023, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
Horrific work-zone crash on I-695 just north of I-70 yesterday afternoon:

(The work-zone in question is a project involving the median barrier of I-695 in the area, with temporary barriers set up directly against the left lane in both directions.)

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/beltway-crash-6-dead-woodlawn-maryland/43389717
Quote
Six people were killed Wednesday afternoon in a crash on the westside of the Baltimore Beltway in Woodlawn.

According to Maryland State Police, troopers were called around 12:40 p.m. for reports of a pedestrian struck at a work zone on the Inner Loop of the Beltway near Security Boulevard.

A preliminary investigation indicates the car entered the work zone in between jersey walls, struck construction workers and overturned.

"The preliminary investigation, at this point, indicates that, for reasons unknown, an Acura traveled in between the jersey walls and struck the contract workers that were on that scene. All six contract workers were declared deceased at the scene by EMS personnel," Maryland State Police spokeswoman Elena Russo told 11 News.

Editting to add in the most recent news release from Maryland State Police: https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2023/03/22/state-police-identify-drivers-of-two-vehicles-involved-in-i-695-crash/

Sounds like one vehicle hit another when changing lanes, causing the other one to lose control and veer into the work area.

Not sure if speed is a factor, but maybe we see MSP and SHA implement more speed cameras for temporary work zones.  I think all but one camera setup has been for permanent long-term work zones rather than temporary daily work zones.

WaPo write up; gifted article. https://wapo.st/3FLTaJ5
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on March 23, 2023, 11:49:33 AM
WaPo write up; gifted article. https://wapo.st/3FLTaJ5

I saw the WaPo article interviewed KCI's CEO, and I did hear thru the grapevine that one of the deceased is a KCI employee - my understanding is KCI is providing inspection services on this project, with Concrete General as the contractor.

Editing to add in the latest release from Maryland State Police ID'ing the victims: https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2023/03/23/state-police-release-identities-of-victims-involved-in-i-695-fatal-crash/

Quote from: MASTERNC on March 23, 2023, 10:32:30 AM
Not sure if speed is a factor, but maybe we see MSP and SHA implement more speed cameras for temporary work zones.  I think all but one camera setup has been for permanent long-term work zones rather than temporary daily work zones.

I wouldn't be surprised if this area is quickly added to the SafeZones program, as the concrete barriers against the left lane have been in place since mid-November IIRC (should have been clearer in my initial post). There are short gaps in the barrier to allow for construction access, so the 2 possibilities are that the car slipped thru one of these gaps or flipped directly over the barrier after the initial collision with the 2nd car.

This has also been a focus point for MDOT SHA's Office of Traffic & Safety (OOTS) even before this incident occurred - at an industry conference a month ago, I sat in on a presentation given by the OOTS director as well as Allan Myers on work zone safety. The presentation wasn't recorded, but the slides they used are publicly available here (https://www.mdqi.org/conference/2023-conference) for anyone interested. (Here are direct links to part 1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V4ogKEQBax1i1pXIG3Shy_qk-YG8Ezyp/view) & part 2 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sC-7-Ml8CpE0Q2ldZP4D7I44eatgnsEP/view) of the presentation slides).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 12:55:18 PM
Meanwhile on a lighter note, the northbound toll gantry at the Fort McHenry Tunnel is set to be activated early next week (the southbound gantry was activated back in January):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr5CrzdXsAE4AsF?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on March 23, 2023, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 12:54:07 PM

Quote from: MASTERNC on March 23, 2023, 10:32:30 AM
Not sure if speed is a factor, but maybe we see MSP and SHA implement more speed cameras for temporary work zones.  I think all but one camera setup has been for permanent long-term work zones rather than temporary daily work zones.

I wouldn't be surprised if this area is quickly added to the SafeZones program, as the concrete barriers against the left lane have been in place since mid-November IIRC (should have been clearer in my initial post). There are short gaps in the barrier to allow for construction access, so the 2 possibilities are that the car slipped thru one of these gaps or flipped directly over the barrier after the initial collision with the 2nd car.

This has also been a focus point for MDOT SHA's Office of Traffic & Safety (OOTS) even before this incident occurred - at an industry conference a month ago, I sat in on a presentation given by the OOTS director as well as Allan Myers on work zone safety. The presentation wasn't recorded, but the slides they used are publicly available here (https://www.mdqi.org/conference/2023-conference) for anyone interested. (Here are direct links to part 1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V4ogKEQBax1i1pXIG3Shy_qk-YG8Ezyp/view) & part 2 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sC-7-Ml8CpE0Q2ldZP4D7I44eatgnsEP/view) of the presentation slides).

Maryland has one of the longest running work zone camera programs.  Since then, a lot more have come online.  Perhaps it is time to look at "best practices".  Pennsylvania seems to have a good mix of enforcement in short-term and long-term work zones (though they can only legally enforce when workers are present) and has escalating fines for repeat offenders after an initial warning.  Delaware's pilot program based the fine on the actual speed (and ran 24/7 with fixed cameras) but also had a first-time warning.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 04:33:53 PM
For anyone who wants to view (I will warn it's nasty), footage of the crash from an adjacent traffic camera has made its way onto the internet. It clearly shows the overturned car attempting to pass between 2 side-by-side cars in the left 2 lanes, and getting pushed right thru a gap in the construction barrier into the work zone.

https://foxbaltimore.com/amp/news/local/video-shows-collision-moments-before-6-people-killed-baltimore-beltway-crash

Anecdotally I drove thru there southbound a few hours ago on the way down to DC for a Caps game tonight, and there was no active work today (as I figured would be the case).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on March 23, 2023, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on March 23, 2023, 04:33:53 PM
For anyone who wants to view (I will warn it's nasty), footage of the crash from an adjacent traffic camera has made its way onto the internet. It clearly shows the overturned car attempting to pass between 2 side-by-side cars in the left 2 lanes, and getting pushed right thru a gap in the construction barrier into the work zone.

https://foxbaltimore.com/amp/news/local/video-shows-collision-moments-before-6-people-killed-baltimore-beltway-crash

Anecdotally I drove thru there southbound a few hours ago on the way down to DC for a Caps game tonight, and there was no active work today (as I figured would be the case).

I sense some jail time in both of those drivers' futures, they were FLYING through that construction zone.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 06, 2023, 04:13:42 PM
Are the I-95 Express Lane extension projects including connecting the i-695 Ghost Ramps to the express lanes?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on April 06, 2023, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on April 06, 2023, 04:13:42 PM
Are the I-95 Express Lane extension projects including connecting the i-695 Ghost Ramps to the express lanes?

2 of the ramps - from each direction of I-695 to the northbound ETL's - are in design, estimated to begin construction in 2025, and should be open prior to the full northbound ETL extension opening. The remaining 6 ramps currently do not have a timeline.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/I95ETLNB/I-695_Northbound_ETL_Ramps
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on April 14, 2023, 08:12:08 PM
There is talk of altering the US 50/MD 818 intersection on the outskirts of Berlin.

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2023/04/12/berlin-intersection-changes-weighed/

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Henry on April 14, 2023, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 14, 2023, 08:12:08 PM
There is talk of altering the US 50/MD 818 intersection on the outskirts of Berlin.

https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2023/04/12/berlin-intersection-changes-weighed/


And from this article, we get a new road-related term that includes a state name: the Maryland T! Here's what sets it apart from other T intersections, as outlined in bold:

QuoteBERLIN — Changes are being considered for the intersection of Route 818 and Route 50 in response to concerns from local officials.

Maryland State Highway Administration (SHA) officials said this week that potential improvements were being evaluated for the intersection of Route 818 and Route 50.

"District Engineer Mark Crampton and his staff have been in discussions with Mayor Tyndall, Sen. Carozza's office and other stakeholders about transportation options for improving the safety of all highway users and existing traffic conditions at the US 50 (Ocean Gateway)/MD 818 (Main Street) intersection in Berlin,"  SHA Media Relations Manager Shantee Felix said. "As a result of those conversations, we are working with our Office of Traffic Safety to address crashes that occur with left turning vehicles in that area."

While SHA offered no details about what those improvements might be, Berlin Councilman Jay Knerr said at Monday's Mayor and Council he had some concerns about the rendering that had been shared with municipal officials. Knerr said he was also approached by a Berlin property owner who was concerned about the design change.

The design would not allow motorists to cross Route 50 from one side of Route 818 to the other as they currently can. Drivers would, however, be able to turn left from Route 50 west onto Route 818 into Berlin. Drivers leaving Berlin on Route 818 would also be able to cross into the median to turn left onto Route 50 westbound.

"After looking at the design, there is a two-foot concrete low barrier that runs down the Route 50 westbound turn lane for a left hand turn onto Main St.,"  Knerr said. "This barrier goes down fairly far. Anyone coming off the 113 south bound off ramp on to westbound Route 50 can no longer make it into the Main Street breakdown lane. They will either have to continue west on 50 until they can make a U-turn or continue on southbound 113 and take old Ocean City Blvd."

Knerr believes that will put unnecessary traffic on the road.

"The simple solution is to put a stop sign at the end of the (Route 113) off ramp that would allow traffic to safely cross Route 50 and enter the Main Street breakdown lane,"  he said. "The off ramp may have to be adjusted slightly to accommodate this."

At this week's meeting, Mayor Zack Tyndall said a letter of support for the concept was recently approved by the Mayor and Council and has been sent to the state, but he stressed the discussion is preliminary at this point.

"The Maryland T Project is something that was a preliminary discussion with the state that would go at the intersection of MD 818 and Route 50,"  he said. "The mayor and council did send a letter of support to the state. It's at a staff level review at this point. Everybody has seen that letter and approved that letter. That's been the extent of the discussion. They have asked that we not really make that widely public. "
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on April 14, 2023, 10:04:13 PM
It's not a new concept... It has been implemented elsewhere. A continuous green T or "seagull" . West Virginia and Maryland already have a number of them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on April 14, 2023, 11:57:45 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 14, 2023, 10:04:13 PM
It's not a new concept... It has been implemented elsewhere. A continuous green T or "seagull" . West Virginia and Maryland already have a number of them.

Was about to say, this seems common on US 301 in MD.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on April 17, 2023, 07:27:40 AM
Quote from: famartin on April 14, 2023, 11:57:45 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 14, 2023, 10:04:13 PM
It's not a new concept... It has been implemented elsewhere. A continuous green T or "seagull" . West Virginia and Maryland already have a number of them.

Was about to say, this seems common on US 301 in MD.

I'm all too familiar with the one on the Bel Air Bypass on US 1.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on April 18, 2023, 01:57:00 PM
In preparation for the upcoming Harford County, MD Road Meet to be held on Saturday, May 6, my next installment in the "Virtual Tour" series is scheduled to take place on Saturday (4/22) at 6 PM ET. Come join me and members of the AARoads community as we profile US Highways 1 & 40 across Harford County, MD and discuss the history and features of these highways all while enjoying a real-time virtual video trip along their lengths within the county.

A link to the event location can be found below and we look forward to seeing you in attendance:

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on April 23, 2023, 04:11:12 PM
What is the alignment of MD 2 between I-95 and US 40?  About the only thing that TM has nailed down is that it follows Hanover Street at I-95 and Light Street from Key Highway to the St. Paul-Calvert one-way pair.  OSM has it follow Montgomery Street northbound and Lee/Charles/Hughes southbound, but the southbound alignment appears to contradict TM.  Signage is non-existent in either direction.  Does anyone know more definitely where it goes?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 23, 2023, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 23, 2023, 04:11:12 PM
What is the alignment of MD 2 between I-95 and US 40?  About the only thing that TM has nailed down is that it follows Hanover Street at I-95 and Light Street from Key Highway to the St. Paul-Calvert one-way pair.  OSM has it follow Montgomery Street northbound and Lee/Charles/Hughes southbound, but the southbound alignment appears to contradict TM.  Signage is non-existent in either direction.  Does anyone know more definitely where it goes?

The latest HLR definitely shows MD 2 NB going Hanover to Montgomery to Light (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/2021%20Baltimore%20City.pdf). 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: dlsterner on April 23, 2023, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 23, 2023, 04:11:12 PM
What is the alignment of MD 2 between I-95 and US 40?  About the only thing that TM has nailed down is that it follows Hanover Street at I-95 and Light Street from Key Highway to the St. Paul-Calvert one-way pair.  OSM has it follow Montgomery Street northbound and Lee/Charles/Hughes southbound, but the southbound alignment appears to contradict TM.  Signage is non-existent in either direction.  Does anyone know more definitely where it goes?

I used to drive that stretch of MD 2 several times a week back in the 1980's and 1990's, so I thought this should be easy to answer.  Turns out not as easy as I thought.

I believe TM does not take one-way routings into consideration, just waypoints.  So a one-way pair would be drawn as an "average" of the two (I think).  So I would tend to discount TM if there is a discrepancy.

As far as I remember, northbound has always been:  Hanover -> Montgomery (one-way) -> Light

Southbound, memory is a little fuzzier (maybe 90% sure).  I believe it was Light -> Lee (one-way) -> Charles -> Hughes (one-way) -> Hanover.  But I seem to recall it being somewhat poorly marked (but at least marked) as opposed to non-existent marking like GSM now shows.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on April 23, 2023, 06:04:25 PM
There was still a sign on Montgomery as late as 2016, but by 2018, it was gone.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2799035,-76.6141409,3a,75y,100.95h,81.43t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sr8rYe2EOY_6zDMpo4whi1A!2e0!5s20150801T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

There is still a sign on Calvert Street.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2874219,-76.6121181,3a,75y,354.83h,89.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sINqRGWOG79HRuXCf9POXcg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

There is also still a sign on St. Paul Street.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3101623,-76.6149009,3a,75y,159.38h,88.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgFCRIxEn1fDGpwEfuMBzcw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

And on Light Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2885168,-76.6136881,3a,75y,145.21h,90.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjR3a6baacJIclkp-hrJhoA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

There had been a sign at the intersection of Hanover and Montgomery, but it also disappeared between 2016 and 2019.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2805336,-76.6158053,3a,75y,186.87h,86.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sliAQqy1WNNGIur0CtqYxow!2e0!5s20150801T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on April 23, 2023, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on April 23, 2023, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 23, 2023, 04:11:12 PM
What is the alignment of MD 2 between I-95 and US 40?  About the only thing that TM has nailed down is that it follows Hanover Street at I-95 and Light Street from Key Highway to the St. Paul-Calvert one-way pair.  OSM has it follow Montgomery Street northbound and Lee/Charles/Hughes southbound, but the southbound alignment appears to contradict TM.  Signage is non-existent in either direction.  Does anyone know more definitely where it goes?

I used to drive that stretch of MD 2 several times a week back in the 1980's and 1990's, so I thought this should be easy to answer.  Turns out not as easy as I thought.

I believe TM does not take one-way routings into consideration, just waypoints.  So a one-way pair would be drawn as an "average" of the two (I think).  So I would tend to discount TM if there is a discrepancy.

As far as I remember, northbound has always been:  Hanover -> Montgomery (one-way) -> Light

Southbound, memory is a little fuzzier (maybe 90% sure).  I believe it was Light -> Lee (one-way) -> Charles -> Hughes (one-way) -> Hanover.  But I seem to recall it being somewhat poorly marked (but at least marked) as opposed to non-existent marking like GSM now shows.
That's the thing... TM is not taking an average at Key Highway.  That point is directly on the NB direction, as if both directions are still on Light at that point even though SB is supposedly elsewhere at that point.  Incidentally, the reason I noticed this is because I might be driving on it SB at some point and wanted to make sure I get the correct route clinched.  Maybe it's like US 1 in the Bronx where NB can travel on US 1 but SB has to leave US 1 and take local streets because of a turn restriction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on April 24, 2023, 06:39:18 AM
here's a MD 2 shield on SB Hanover at Montgomery - https://goo.gl/maps/ybRSZ6tXmY9uGMCz9
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on April 24, 2023, 12:54:38 PM
Google Maps seems to think that MD 2 SB follows Hughes the whole way from Light to Hanover, but it appears that traffic can only turn right at Charles (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2804529,-76.614348,3a,49y,287.22h,88.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4GgQqyw_YVPewOSvOsA5Cw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) and thus it is legally impossible to continue straight on Hughes across Charles (not that that stops people from trying, I imagine...). Combined with the fact the Hughes is rather narrow between Light & Charles (but a more standard city street width between Charles & Hanover), the Lee-Charles-Hughes routing would make more sense as others have suggested.

Another possible hint supporting the Lee-Charles-Hughes routing...looking at the HLR pdf that 74/171 linked to, the "route number" listed for MD 2 NB's intersection with E Hughes St is "MU 6145" (presumably some internal city designation...it's on page 24 of the HLR pdf for anyone interested). I would think that route number would instead show as MD 2 if SB did in fact follow Hughes the whole way? The intersection with Lee St isn't listed, unfortunately...the next intersection listed north of Hughes is Conway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on April 24, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
page 161 of the 2021 HLR linked above has a map that appears to show the suspected routing.

page 2 of the 2004 HLR (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Location/2004_Baltimore%20City.pdf) explicitly names the SB MD 2 couplet to be the suspected routing.

The SB couplet has had at least 2 other configurations: Light-Hill-Hanover and Light-Lee-Hanover
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on April 25, 2023, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 02, 2023, 11:08:57 PM
I love how the staff absolutely rakes every single interior control lever (including the gear shifter) as hard as possible in their "testing". Knowing the build quality of some of these 80s cars, I'm surprised nothing came flying off after doing all that.
The cars that manufacturers give to the press aren't the same as the ones that people buy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: kernals12 on April 25, 2023, 09:51:34 AM
Quote from: mcmc on March 14, 2023, 03:19:58 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 28, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
These bottom 2 were filmed on MD 795.  See this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCUjmCZUzo which shows it signed (2:07 shows the opposite view at Franklin Blvd interchange; unobstructed MD 795 shield at 2:39).  They appear to be filming in this area: https://goo.gl/maps/YMF8agoX331ZT2kX6

What's going on here? The signs don't add up. There was never a MD 795; it was always I-795. And why the NYS state speed limit sign? Was this some kind of proving ground or a real freeway?

(https://i.ibb.co/qnYv4xb/Screenshot-2023-03-14-at-12-17-51-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/j5kSxH7)
(https://i.ibb.co/0ZyRsfv/Screenshot-2023-03-14-at-12-17-11-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/K7xpK9S)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on April 25, 2023, 01:35:28 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on April 24, 2023, 12:54:38 PM
Google Maps seems to think that MD 2 SB follows Hughes the whole way from Light to Hanover, but it appears that traffic can only turn right at Charles (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2804529,-76.614348,3a,49y,287.22h,88.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4GgQqyw_YVPewOSvOsA5Cw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) and thus it is legally impossible to continue straight on Hughes across Charles (not that that stops people from trying, I imagine...). Combined with the fact the Hughes is rather narrow between Light & Charles (but a more standard city street width between Charles & Hanover), the Lee-Charles-Hughes routing would make more sense as others have suggested.

Another possible hint supporting the Lee-Charles-Hughes routing...looking at the HLR pdf that 74/171 linked to, the "route number" listed for MD 2 NB's intersection with E Hughes St is "MU 6145" (presumably some internal city designation...it's on page 24 of the HLR pdf for anyone interested). I would think that route number would instead show as MD 2 if SB did in fact follow Hughes the whole way? The intersection with Lee St isn't listed, unfortunately...the next intersection listed north of Hughes is Conway.

According to a couple of the old Rand McNally atlases, it continued on St. Paul past North Avenue all the way to Charles Street near Loyola.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on April 27, 2023, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on April 25, 2023, 01:35:28 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on April 24, 2023, 12:54:38 PM
Google Maps seems to think that MD 2 SB follows Hughes the whole way from Light to Hanover, but it appears that traffic can only turn right at Charles (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2804529,-76.614348,3a,49y,287.22h,88.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4GgQqyw_YVPewOSvOsA5Cw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) and thus it is legally impossible to continue straight on Hughes across Charles (not that that stops people from trying, I imagine...). Combined with the fact the Hughes is rather narrow between Light & Charles (but a more standard city street width between Charles & Hanover), the Lee-Charles-Hughes routing would make more sense as others have suggested.

Another possible hint supporting the Lee-Charles-Hughes routing...looking at the HLR pdf that 74/171 linked to, the "route number" listed for MD 2 NB's intersection with E Hughes St is "MU 6145" (presumably some internal city designation...it's on page 24 of the HLR pdf for anyone interested). I would think that route number would instead show as MD 2 if SB did in fact follow Hughes the whole way? The intersection with Lee St isn't listed, unfortunately...the next intersection listed north of Hughes is Conway.

According to a couple of the old Rand McNally atlases, it continued on St. Paul past North Avenue all the way to Charles Street near Loyola.

Arguably, there is good reason to combine MD 139 and MD 2 for a continuous route all the way north to the Beltway.

Northbound MD 139 starts at Charles/North and follows Charles all the way to the Beltway (by way of Charlcote and St Paul in the one-way section north of JHU.  The southbound MD 139 is a little murky.  What happens in the area around JHU?  Does it simply follow St. Paul all the way to North Ave, or does it transition onto St Paul by way of University Parkway or does it transition onto Maryland Ave by way of 29th street.  I assume it's the last one, but it's hard to determine.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on May 01, 2023, 07:01:22 PM
Was 213 from Bohemia Manor to just south of US 40 always 50 miles per hour, or did they lower it from 55 since I drove it last?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on May 01, 2023, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on May 01, 2023, 07:01:22 PM
Was 213 from Bohemia Manor to just south of US 40 always 50 miles per hour, or did they lower it from 55 since I drove it last?
Google Street View shows 50 mph dating back to the earliest imagery.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on May 16, 2023, 02:42:34 PM
It looks like new mast lights have been installed on the north side of the White Marsh interchange on 95.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on May 17, 2023, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on May 16, 2023, 02:42:34 PM
It looks like new mast lights have been installed on the north side of the White Marsh interchange on 95.

Was wondering when they were going to finally activate those.  The lights have been there for a while but were covered up.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on May 18, 2023, 03:41:28 PM
The daily backup on 95 south approaching 543 is close to reaching Stepney Road. It's crazy.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on May 19, 2023, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on May 18, 2023, 03:41:28 PM
The daily backup on 95 south approaching 543 is close to reaching Stepney Road. It's crazy.

That's why I was hoping the sound barrier work was actually for that auxiliary lane.  Any idea when that is scheduled?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 08:58:59 AM
The Brookeville Bypass on MD 97 apparently opened yesterday.  (https://mdot-sha-md97-brookeville-bypass-mo7465171-r-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

QuoteMay 2023: The Brookeville Bypass will officially open the week of Sunday, May 21st. Crews will perform a traffic switch on the morning of May 21st to open the newly constructed bypass to the traveling public. This switch will not affect County roads. Variable Message Signs (VMS) are in place to notify motorists of the upcoming change.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: famartin on May 22, 2023, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 08:58:59 AM
The Brookeville Bypass on MD 97 apparently opened yesterday.  (https://mdot-sha-md97-brookeville-bypass-mo7465171-r-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

QuoteMay 2023: The Brookeville Bypass will officially open the week of Sunday, May 21st. Crews will perform a traffic switch on the morning of May 21st to open the newly constructed bypass to the traveling public. This switch will not affect County roads. Variable Message Signs (VMS) are in place to notify motorists of the upcoming change.

Will MD 97 thru Brookville will revert to a county road?  Or will it get one of those high numbered MD route assignments?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 09:54:13 AM
Quote from: famartin on May 22, 2023, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 08:58:59 AM
The Brookeville Bypass on MD 97 apparently opened yesterday.  (https://mdot-sha-md97-brookeville-bypass-mo7465171-r-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

QuoteMay 2023: The Brookeville Bypass will officially open the week of Sunday, May 21st. Crews will perform a traffic switch on the morning of May 21st to open the newly constructed bypass to the traveling public. This switch will not affect County roads. Variable Message Signs (VMS) are in place to notify motorists of the upcoming change.

Will MD 97 thru Brookville will revert to a county road?  Or will it get one of those high numbered MD route assignments?

I would expect it to become a county road just based on it being in Montgomery County.  I am sure that the town of Brookville would love to road diet it.

Anyway, apparently the removal of this abandoned railroad crossing on MD 343 in Cambridge is related to intersection improvements (https://roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4618&PageId=818). 

Also I am thankful not to be taking US 50 to Ocean City (https://roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4620&PageId=818) this week. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on May 23, 2023, 08:53:03 AM
A colleague of mine at work asked:

Has there been a suspension of HOV enforcement on I-270?  He says the violators seem to be on the increase with state troopers out there but not enforcing...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 27, 2023, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 09:54:13 AM
Quote from: famartin on May 22, 2023, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 08:58:59 AM
The Brookeville Bypass on MD 97 apparently opened yesterday.  (https://mdot-sha-md97-brookeville-bypass-mo7465171-r-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

QuoteMay 2023: The Brookeville Bypass will officially open the week of Sunday, May 21st. Crews will perform a traffic switch on the morning of May 21st to open the newly constructed bypass to the traveling public. This switch will not affect County roads. Variable Message Signs (VMS) are in place to notify motorists of the upcoming change.

Will MD 97 thru Brookville will revert to a county road?  Or will it get one of those high numbered MD route assignments?

I would expect it to become a county road just based on it being in Montgomery County.  I am sure that the town of Brookville would love to road diet it.

Well MD 97 through Brookeville is already treated as if it was never in town when I clinched the bypass this morning.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 07, 2023, 08:55:05 AM
As a follow-up to the I-695 work zone crash in late March that I posted about upthread: Both drivers involved were indicted earlier this week.

https://wjla.com/news/local/divers-fatal-baltimore-beltway-crash-killed-6-construction-workers-indicted-melachi-duane-darnell-brown-arrested-lisa-adrienne-lea-interstate-695-sybil-dimaggio-jose-excobar-carlos-villatoro-escobar-rolando-ruiz-zelda-mahlon-joseph-simmons-ii-mah#

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/criminal-justice/melachi-brown-lisa-adrienne-lea-interstate-695-crash-KG6RSVKBZFBSZNJXS4MMJP7CEQ/?utm_campaign=TheBaltimoreBanner

Quote
The drivers involved in a crash that killed six construction workers on Interstate 695 have been indicted on manslaughter charges and traffic violations, with authorities saying one was impaired by drugs and the other reached speeds of 122 mph.

Law enforcement is looking for Lisa Adrienne Lea, 54, of Randallstown, Baltimore County State Attorney's Scott Shellenberger said. She faces 28 counts, including one that alleges she was driving impaired by drugs, though the indictment does not specify what substance.

Melachi Duane Darnell Brown, 20, of Windsor Mill, was taken into custody on Monday and faces 27 counts.

At a bail review hearing for Brown on Tuesday, Assistant State's Attorney Felise Kelly said there is dash camera video from four minutes before the crash that shows Brown rapidly switching lanes and accelerating. Police, she said, determined that he was driving 122 mph five seconds before the crash and 111 mph at the time of impact.

The speed limit at the site of the crash is 55 mph.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on June 07, 2023, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 07, 2023, 08:55:05 AM
As a follow-up to the I-695 work zone crash in late March that I posted about upthread: Both drivers involved were indicted earlier this week.

https://wjla.com/news/local/divers-fatal-baltimore-beltway-crash-killed-6-construction-workers-indicted-melachi-duane-darnell-brown-arrested-lisa-adrienne-lea-interstate-695-sybil-dimaggio-jose-excobar-carlos-villatoro-escobar-rolando-ruiz-zelda-mahlon-joseph-simmons-ii-mah#

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/criminal-justice/melachi-brown-lisa-adrienne-lea-interstate-695-crash-KG6RSVKBZFBSZNJXS4MMJP7CEQ/?utm_campaign=TheBaltimoreBanner

Quote
The drivers involved in a crash that killed six construction workers on Interstate 695 have been indicted on manslaughter charges and traffic violations, with authorities saying one was impaired by drugs and the other reached speeds of 122 mph.

Law enforcement is looking for Lisa Adrienne Lea, 54, of Randallstown, Baltimore County State Attorney's Scott Shellenberger said. She faces 28 counts, including one that alleges she was driving impaired by drugs, though the indictment does not specify what substance.

Melachi Duane Darnell Brown, 20, of Windsor Mill, was taken into custody on Monday and faces 27 counts.

At a bail review hearing for Brown on Tuesday, Assistant State's Attorney Felise Kelly said there is dash camera video from four minutes before the crash that shows Brown rapidly switching lanes and accelerating. Police, she said, determined that he was driving 122 mph five seconds before the crash and 111 mph at the time of impact.

The speed limit at the site of the crash is 55 mph.

No way speed cameras would have deterred that level of lawlessness.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on June 14, 2023, 06:46:28 PM
I-95 north between Gorman Road and MD 32, adjacent to the truck stops, is experiencing chronic congestion due to drivers slowing down to read the announcement of the closure on I-95 north in Philadelphia. It's likely exacerbated by the flashing lights being enabled for the message. How long does MDOT SHA usually leave the flashing lights enabled for this sort of long-term closure announcement?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on June 14, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on June 14, 2023, 06:46:28 PM
I-95 north between Gorman Road and MD 32, adjacent to the truck stops, is experiencing chronic congestion due to drivers slowing down to read the announcement of the closure on I-95 north in Philadelphia. It's likely exacerbated by the flashing lights being enabled for the message. How long does MDOT SHA usually leave the flashing lights enabled for this sort of long-term closure announcement?

MD 32 is quite far from the closure.  Perhaps they need a simpler message here stating "I-95 closed north of Center City Philadelphia -- use alternate routes."*  There is no good alternative that anyone on this part of I-95 needs to take at this point.  The main decision points for traffic are likely in Delaware (NJTP and I-295) and Chester, PA (I-476).  Possibly, a long distance bypass could also be had by using I-83 from Baltimore to Harrisburg to reach Allentown and Scranton areas and not stay on I-95 north of Baltimore.  But conceivably, nobody who is going anywhere in the direction of Philadelphia would need to make any alternatives at MD 32, and certainly don't need to slow local traffic as a result.

From the vantage point of the DC area, it seems like the I-95 closure only makes northeast Philadelphia and Bucks County difficult to reach.  Traffic heading to NJ or to northeast Pennsylvania can use other alternatives that don't seem to be that affected by detouring traffic.  No appreciable delays on I-295 or NJTP over normal weekday usage.


* Use of exit numbers isn't helpful here as people may confuse them with MD exit numbers.  Unless traffic at this point is headed to Philly or Bucks County, they are largely unaffected and don't need to pull over to consult maps.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on June 18, 2023, 09:08:19 PM
I've noticed that the MD state highway logo on the BGSes doesn't show the state name. Is there a reason for that? I've also seen a DC-295 sign with no DC written on it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dough4872 on June 18, 2023, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on June 18, 2023, 09:08:19 PM
I've noticed that the MD state highway logo on the BGSes doesn't show the state name. Is there a reason for that? I've also seen a DC-295 sign with no DC written on it.

My guess is a motorist probably can't read the state name on the shield on a BGS as opposed to a shield on the ground, so the state probably doesn't go through the trouble of adding the state name.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 28, 2023, 02:27:22 PM
The exit 31 RIRO on US 50/301 EB before the Bay Bridge has been permanently closed:

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4673&PageId=818

I had been wondering for a while if this might happen given its dangerous nature along with the proximity of exits 30 & 32 on either side.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on June 29, 2023, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 28, 2023, 02:27:22 PM
The exit 31 RIRO on US 50/301 EB before the Bay Bridge has been permanently closed:

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4673&PageId=818

I had been wondering for a while if this might happen given its dangerous nature along with the proximity of exits 30 & 32 on either side.

True.  EB 50/301 is *very* close to the service road.  OTOH it means that those who want to access what few tenants are left in the Whitehall Shopping Center must now use the Exit 30 RIRO which has slightly longer ramps, and then follow Whitehall Road for +/- a mile.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on June 30, 2023, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: ixnay on June 29, 2023, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 28, 2023, 02:27:22 PM
The exit 31 RIRO on US 50/301 EB before the Bay Bridge has been permanently closed:

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4673&PageId=818

I had been wondering for a while if this might happen given its dangerous nature along with the proximity of exits 30 & 32 on either side.

True.  EB 50/301 is *very* close to the service road.  OTOH it means that those who want to access what few tenants are left in the Whitehall Shopping Center must now use the Exit 30 RIRO which has slightly longer ramps, and then follow Whitehall Road for +/- a mile.

I suspect that the Whitehall Shopping Center will end up closing entirely as a result of this closure. It's been very low occupancy for years and I suspect that the removal of direct access will affect it even more. The adjacent motel was gutted and later demolished due to the imposition of access controls along this stretch of 50/301.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on June 30, 2023, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: ixnay on June 29, 2023, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 28, 2023, 02:27:22 PM
The exit 31 RIRO on US 50/301 EB before the Bay Bridge has been permanently closed:

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4673&PageId=818

I had been wondering for a while if this might happen given its dangerous nature along with the proximity of exits 30 & 32 on either side.

True.  EB 50/301 is *very* close to the service road.  OTOH it means that those who want to access what few tenants are left in the Whitehall Shopping Center must now use the Exit 30 RIRO which has slightly longer ramps, and then follow Whitehall Road for +/- a mile.
Since most turning movements were prohibited at this exit, including a U-turn from EB 50 towards the shopping center and a left turn back onto 50, this should have minimal effect on access to/from the few remaining tenants.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 07, 2023, 09:29:41 AM
Directly related to the exit 31 permanent closure, MDOT SHA has now announced a pilot program beginning next weekend and continuing thru Labor Day where the exit 30 & 32 onramps will be temporarily closed during peak weekend travel periods. This will make the exit 29 onramp the last entrance prior to the Bay Bridge during these periods.

https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4689&PageId=818
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on July 08, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Is MD ever going to change the 95 express lanes so that either HOV rides free or it has a variable cost based on traffic?
I really think the current system is idiotic.
But then, thats MD.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 09, 2023, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on July 08, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Is MD ever going to change the 95 express lanes so that either HOV rides free or it has a variable cost based on traffic?
I really think the current system is idiotic.
But then, thats MD.

Who knows, the express tolls might even go up.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on July 09, 2023, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on July 08, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Is MD ever going to change the 95 express lanes so that either HOV rides free or it has a variable cost based on traffic?
I really think the current system is idiotic.
But then, thats MD.

It is already a variable toll system that varies based on traffic levels. The problem is that the lanes are too short to meaningfully attract enough traffic to make the tolls go up by any significant amount. Once the northbound ETLs are extended to Exit 77, it is likely that traffic levels will begin to rise in the peaks and the tolls will begin to vary more often.

The idiotic thing is the MdTA's timing; they managed to start construction on the ETLs during a period of very high material and labor costs, and had to substantially scale back the initial phases of the ETL construction to the point where the existing ETLs are only just useful in their current form. If the full 25-mile ETL project had been built as originally scheduled, they would be far more useful and much less idiotic than they currently appear.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on July 11, 2023, 11:07:01 PM
Tolls currently do not vary depending on traffic, but do vary by time of day (peak, off-peak, overnight).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 12, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
Re: no HOV-free provision for the I-95 ETL's: My only guess is that it's related to the fact that the Baltimore area had no existing HOV lanes pre-construction, unlike the DC area which had plenty and thus probably had political pressure to retain the HOV component with ETL construction? But if I'm not mistaken these ETL's might be the only ones anywhere that don't allow a HOV-free ride. Somewhat ironically, the DriveEzMD website does offer the Flex transponder (though it is not free unlike the standard transponder) for use in the Northern Virginia network.

Quote from: TheOneKEA on July 09, 2023, 03:57:22 PM
It is already a variable toll system that varies based on traffic levels. The problem is that the lanes are too short to meaningfully attract enough traffic to make the tolls go up by any significant amount. Once the northbound ETLs are extended to Exit 77, it is likely that traffic levels will begin to rise in the peaks and the tolls will begin to vary more often.

The other major issue with the ETL's in their current form is that there is currently no connection to I-695, which renders them useless to anyone switching from I-95 to the beltway & vice versa. This will be partially rectified as the ramps from each direction of I-695 onto the northbound ETL's will be constructed as part of the current northbound extension, but there is no timeline for the remaining 6 movements. I imagine the ramps exiting the southbound ETL's onto each direction of I-695 will similarly be done whenever the southbound extension happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ramps to/from the south are never built. The movements to/from the north are arguably more important since southbound the ETL's end nearby at the I-95/I-895 interchange anyway.

Quote from: epzik8 on July 09, 2023, 10:34:39 AM
Who knows, the express tolls might even go up.

FWIW, I believe MDTA recently approved the toll structure for the under-construction northbound extension, and my understanding is that it will use the same per-mile rate ranges as the existing segment.

https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-releases/maryland-transportation-authority-board-approves-toll-rate-ranges

Though since you bring it up, it has been a while since MDTA last hiked tolls so it's probably bound to happen at some point. In fact, the last major toll adjustment was actually a decrease in May 2015 when now-former Governor Hogan lowered MD E-ZPass rates at all facilities & cash rates at the Bay Bridge only.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Viridiscalculus on July 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PM
I drove the Baltimore Washington Parkway for the first time in a few months yesterday. Northbound was congested at 8:30 a.m., which is not a big surprise. But there were two pleasant surprises for me:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dough4872 on July 16, 2023, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: Viridiscalculus on July 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PM
I drove the Baltimore Washington Parkway for the first time in a few months yesterday. Northbound was congested at 8:30 a.m., which is not a big surprise. But there were two pleasant surprises for me:

  • Most of the big brown signs on the National Park Service (federal) section have been replaced. The brown signs that were fading to green are gone.
  • The federal section has mile markers! They are brown, have the National Park Service logo at the top, and count up to 17 just south of the federal-state maintenance boundary at MD 175. Going southbound, mile marker 1 is at the MD 201 overpass close to the Pepsi bottling plant; I did not see a zero mile marker at the US 50 merge.

These mile markers and new signage must be very recent because I am looking at Google Street View imagery of the parkway from this month and don't see them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on July 16, 2023, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: Dough4872 on July 16, 2023, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: Viridiscalculus on July 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PM
I drove the Baltimore Washington Parkway for the first time in a few months yesterday. Northbound was congested at 8:30 a.m., which is not a big surprise. But there were two pleasant surprises for me:

  • Most of the big brown signs on the National Park Service (federal) section have been replaced. The brown signs that were fading to green are gone.
  • The federal section has mile markers! They are brown, have the National Park Service logo at the top, and count up to 17 just south of the federal-state maintenance boundary at MD 175. Going southbound, mile marker 1 is at the MD 201 overpass close to the Pepsi bottling plant; I did not see a zero mile marker at the US 50 merge.

These mile markers and new signage must be very recent because I am looking at Google Street View imagery of the parkway from this month and don't see them.

GSV does not have the full stretch of MD-295 updated, only certain spots. I can tell you for certain milepost 9 on there
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on July 17, 2023, 08:12:26 PM
The side of I-95 southbound just north of Abingdon Road really needs mowing.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on July 25, 2023, 06:34:38 PM
Repaving project on 2.25 miles of US 50 in Dorchester County coming up...

https://www.wboc.com/news/us-50-resurfacing-in-dorchester-county/article_2abead66-2b06-11ee-a112-b754e7e2ed74.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on July 25, 2023, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: famartin on May 22, 2023, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 08:58:59 AM
The Brookeville Bypass on MD 97 apparently opened yesterday.  (https://mdot-sha-md97-brookeville-bypass-mo7465171-r-maryland.hub.arcgis.com/)

QuoteMay 2023: The Brookeville Bypass will officially open the week of Sunday, May 21st. Crews will perform a traffic switch on the morning of May 21st to open the newly constructed bypass to the traveling public. This switch will not affect County roads. Variable Message Signs (VMS) are in place to notify motorists of the upcoming change.

Will MD 97 thru Brookville will revert to a county road?  Or will it get one of those high numbered MD route assignments?

Although this is my 2nd post, it was actually this particular topic that motivated me to sign up. I have been a "reader only" of these posts (off and on) for several years.

I live about 1/2 mile away from this new bypass and have had occasion to drive it several times already. Getting this bypass built was a big deal for Brookeville residents. For the 20 years I've lived in Olney/Brookeville, getting this built has always been a top priority. I don't know how long they had been trying before that but I suspect it was a while.

All that being said, my gut feeling is that if Brookeville had their druthers, the old 97 alignment which went right through the middle of town, and very close to some houses, would not get a high MD number, they would rather it be just a dead end. It is that way right now. The piece of Brookeville Rd to the new bypass's east, which would connect the new 97/Brookeville Rd roundabout to the old 97 at the north end of Brookeville is still blocked. Interestingly, signs approaching the roundabout from the north and south do point to the blocked road as existing, so I am not sure what the ultimate plan is.

To be clear, the part of old 97 between the north end of the new bypass and the former 97 intersection with Brookeville Rd. is obliterated. The only question is whether the very short piece of Brookeville Rd between the old 97 and the new 97/Brookeville Rd roundabout will reopen.

As of right now, the only way for "downtown" Brookeville residents to drive north on 97 (short of taking other roads) is to drive south on the old 97 to the southern end of the new bypass, and then drive north on the new bypass.

Aside -- writing this and also being a music fan -- I am reminded that there is a band called the Old 97s.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on July 29, 2023, 04:34:30 PM
Thought this was interesting, some of the severe weather alert maps NWS posts on twitter says I-595 instead of US-50  :-D
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on July 29, 2023, 09:11:34 PM
I noticed that as well the past couple days.  Thought about mentioning something but decided not to as the semi-automated systems NWS Sterling uses get their basemap data from the National Map (culled from another Federal agency).  As the Feds consider that an Interstate (albeit unsigned), best to let bygones be bygones.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on July 31, 2023, 10:17:55 PM
The lack of oversight on this is mind boggling...

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/transportation/washington-boulevard-bridge-too-short-delays-QOJTUYGYIRCQDGRV2MXILTAZFA/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on July 31, 2023, 10:51:37 PM


Quote from: davewiecking on July 31, 2023, 10:17:55 PM
The lack of oversight on this is mind boggling...

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/transportation/washington-boulevard-bridge-too-short-delays-QOJTUYGYIRCQDGRV2MXILTAZFA/

Not sure how that is a lack of oversight when the State's oversight concluded what went wrong...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on August 01, 2023, 12:03:37 AM
^ Lack of oversight during construction.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on August 01, 2023, 06:54:49 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 01, 2023, 12:03:37 AM
^ Lack of oversight during construction.

It's not clear from the article if the oversight by SHA did or didn't occur during construction, or if the scope creep cited in the article played a part in disrupting SHA's oversight of the project.

I have a feeling that CSX is going to get very militant here and that the final cost to SHA is going to be very high to get this project sorted.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on August 01, 2023, 07:02:06 AM
CSX doesn't need to become militant; they are sticklers to their requirements, most of the time legitimately so.  That said, we recently had a situation where CSX complained about some sort of overhead Verizon signal wire being too close to gates that were going to be installed at a crossing.  This caused a ridiculous, neverending finger-pointing cycle between them and Verizon. 

Come to think of it, I never heard of the resolution.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on August 07, 2023, 08:34:35 PM
Landscaping work for the express lanes on I-95 north of White Marsh looks like it's come along since the last time I went through there. Granted, that was in March.

Also, the new sound barrier along the northbound lanes between Joppa and New Forge roads is behind a swath of trees. Is there a practical reason for this? Do the trees act as an additional buffer?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 08, 2023, 11:43:21 AM
MD 140 in the Westminster area is closed due to a series of ~30 utility poles snapping and falling onto the road during a severe thunderstorm yesterday afternoon.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/storm-damage-westminster-route-140-poles-down-cars-trapped/44756982#
https://www.wusa9.com/article/weather/carroll-county-downed-power-poles-trap-drivers-severe-weather/65-ece0cf57-0023-42d8-bd5f-ef03554e6d35

No estimate on reopening currently. Based on some of the pictures, signal equipment was damaged as well at the MD 97/Malcolm Drive & Market St/Old Baltimore Rd intersections.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Hunty2022 on August 10, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
I got a picture of the "Sacramento Ca 3073"  sign at US 50's east end. I took an entire walk from my hotel to get it. It was nighttime, so it was a bit blurry. I'll be back there tomorrow (probably in the morning) to grab another photo of the sign, on daylight.

(https://i.postimg.cc/tTfr4mZM/IMG-7551.jpg)

After a full day in Ocean City, I see why people love it a lot. It is quite a good place.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: elsmere241 on August 11, 2023, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on August 10, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
After a full day in Ocean City, I see why people love it a lot. It is quite a good place.

When my stepmother saw it for the first time, she said it reminded her of Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dough4872 on August 11, 2023, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on August 11, 2023, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on August 10, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
After a full day in Ocean City, I see why people love it a lot. It is quite a good place.

When my stepmother saw it for the first time, she said it reminded her of Las Vegas.

I agree, OCMD is the best beach town in the Mid-Atlantic, nice beaches, nice boardwalk, and a lot to do. It's pretty much a cross between the Jersey Shore and Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Hunty2022 on August 11, 2023, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: Dough4872 on August 11, 2023, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on August 11, 2023, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on August 10, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
After a full day in Ocean City, I see why people love it a lot. It is quite a good place.

When my stepmother saw it for the first time, she said it reminded her of Las Vegas.

I agree, OCMD is the best beach town in the Mid-Atlantic, nice beaches, nice boardwalk, and a lot to do. It's pretty much a cross between the Jersey Shore and Myrtle Beach.

I'm not used to the stores actually being on the boardwalk, since I always went to Virginia Beach, where most of the stores are on Atlantic Avenue. I'm also not used to some of the stores having garage doors, the first time I saw them, it gave me some Los Angeles vibes (I have no idea if LA has the garage door stores).
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dough4872 on August 11, 2023, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on August 11, 2023, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: Dough4872 on August 11, 2023, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on August 11, 2023, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on August 10, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
After a full day in Ocean City, I see why people love it a lot. It is quite a good place.

When my stepmother saw it for the first time, she said it reminded her of Las Vegas.

I agree, OCMD is the best beach town in the Mid-Atlantic, nice beaches, nice boardwalk, and a lot to do. It's pretty much a cross between the Jersey Shore and Myrtle Beach.

I'm not used to the stores actually being on the boardwalk, since I always went to Virginia Beach, where most of the stores are on Atlantic Avenue. I'm also not used to some of the stores having garage doors, the first time I saw them, it gave me some Los Angeles vibes (I have no idea if LA has the garage door stores).

Stores being on the boardwalk and garage doors are common at the Jersey Shore. Also the fact OCMD has a pier with amusement rides draws similarities to the Jersey Shore.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on August 12, 2023, 07:24:07 AM
My only issue with Ocean City is that it seems to be the only place DCers know where to vacation in the summertime, jamming up US 50 every weekend.  Otherwise, it's a fun place.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on August 12, 2023, 08:27:12 AM
Plenty of them clog up our roads up here...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on August 12, 2023, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 12, 2023, 08:27:12 AM
Plenty of them clog up our roads up here...
Heh.  When I worked in DC, I couldn't believe the number of co-workers I had that would consider nowhere else for vacation than Ocean City, whether working at a law firm or at a university.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dough4872 on August 12, 2023, 06:46:57 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 12, 2023, 07:24:07 AM
My only issue with Ocean City is that it seems to be the only place DCers know where to vacation in the summertime, jamming up US 50 every weekend.  Otherwise, it's a fun place.

Rehoboth Beach is also popular, see a lot of DC plates there, along with MD and VA. That's why it's called The Nation's Summer Capital. But yes still have to jam up US 50 to reach the Delaware Beaches as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on September 04, 2023, 09:13:35 PM
More from 152 and 95 today. New asphalt and sound barrier are coming along northbound on 95.

(https://i.imgur.com/GzCQGtf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ucXeE6x.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rseH2Oc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/k5wZ6kE.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 05, 2023, 08:47:21 AM
Definitely disappointed the forested median north of White Marsh is gone, but should have figured that would be the easiest way to build the ETLs for that stretch
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 05, 2023, 02:19:26 PM
I'm disappointed too and not at all convinced that it was the best course of action. It was certainly the easiest, since the earthworks needed to grade the outside of the northbound carriageway would have been far more extensive and expensive. The location of the sound wall on the northbound side below the Big Gunpowder River shows the extent of the ROW on that side, and I wish that the widening had occurred on that side instead.

I would be interested to know if it was argued that retaining the larger forest buffer outside the northbound carriageway was more ecologically sound than retaining the narrow median as-is.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: davewiecking on September 18, 2023, 07:53:06 PM
https://bit.ly/MDOTSHA-US50-Kent-Island-TMS

On WB US-50 approaching the Bay Bridge, MDoT trying a ramp management plan similar to what's been in effect eastbound for a few months. Serious backtracking required for locals the next few weekends.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cockroachking on September 19, 2023, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on September 18, 2023, 07:53:06 PM
https://bit.ly/MDOTSHA-US50-Kent-Island-TMS

On WB US-50 approaching the Bay Bridge, MDoT trying a ramp management plan similar to what's been in effect eastbound for a few months. Serious backtracking required for locals the next few weekends.
I understand why SHA is piloting this, but I would be having a fit if I lived anywhere along MD-8, for example. Not sure why they would want to screw over the locals like that.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on September 19, 2023, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: cockroachking on September 19, 2023, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on September 18, 2023, 07:53:06 PM
https://bit.ly/MDOTSHA-US50-Kent-Island-TMS

On WB US-50 approaching the Bay Bridge, MDoT trying a ramp management plan similar to what's been in effect eastbound for a few months. Serious backtracking required for locals the next few weekends.
I understand why SHA is piloting this, but I would be having a fit if I lived anywhere along MD-8, for example. Not sure why they would want to screw over the locals like that.

Unfortunately things have reached the point where locals on both sides of the bridge are screwed either way. The side roads off US 50 on either side of the bridge get just as congested as the mainline due to traffic attempting to sidestep congestion up to the final onramp before the bridge. This has been a known problem for years based off these unique "BAY BRIDGE BOUND (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9824747,-76.166463,3a,75y,243.45h,85.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sayhcV1Tyw_V9ONNHLLNDcA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)" signs along US 50 & US 301 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0189825,-76.4807959,3a,36.7y,70.4h,89.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLkCJie_rfruA7do1sAzZVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu), but I believe these recent pilots were the result of enough complaints from locals about bailout traffic clogging up the local streets combined with emergency response concerns on Kent Island in particular.

It certainly isn't an ideal solution, but it's about the only way to keep the local streets 100% clear of bailout traffic. It'll be interesting to see what SHA concludes from these pilots and if they decide to implement anything permanently for next summer. I attempted to peek at Google traffic along eastbound US 50 a couple times when exits 30 & 32 were closed, and it seemed like traffic would alternate between light red & orange along this stretch rather than the dark red it would likely have been otherwise. If anything, it seemed like the primary bottleneck was pushed back to the MD 2 interchange at exit 27.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on September 19, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
An associate of mine lives on Kent Island.  She's not a fan.  And apparently it's causing different congestion problems along MD 18.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on September 19, 2023, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 19, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
An associate of mine lives on Kent Island.  She's not a fan.  And apparently it's causing different congestion problems along MD 18.
Oof.  I just saw the link.  I understand the issue, but the solution...doesn't look like one.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cockroachking on September 19, 2023, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 19, 2023, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 19, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
An associate of mine lives on Kent Island.  She's not a fan.  And apparently it's causing different congestion problems along MD 18.
Oof.  I just saw the link.  I understand the issue, but the solution...doesn't look like one.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking: Let's make MD-18 EB bad instead of MD-18 WB.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on September 24, 2023, 03:51:54 PM
FYI, if anyone wants to take a survey about proposed work zone changes as a result of the Lt. Governor's work group, here is the link.  Note the suggestions include unmanned speed cameras in more work zones, more speed cameras in long work zones, and higher fines.

https://zerodeathsmd.gov/wzsurvey/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on September 29, 2023, 11:03:07 PM
Did Maryland ever consider a numbered county road system in the past? Just curious.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on October 03, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 24, 2023, 03:51:54 PM
FYI, if anyone wants to take a survey about proposed work zone changes as a result of the Lt. Governor's work group, here is the link.  Note the suggestions include unmanned speed cameras in more work zones, more speed cameras in long work zones, and higher fines.

https://zerodeathsmd.gov/wzsurvey/

On a related note: A press release was issued last week regarding the next phase* of the I-695 TSMO project, and the release is very focused on work zone safety and traffic calming measures that are being implemented with this phase. The primary measures include automated speed enforcement, reducing the speed limit by 10 mph only during active work hours, and closing the left lane to provide an additional buffer on top of the concrete barrier against the left lane (which I note has been gradually placed over the past few weeks).

*From I-795 to I-83 - the initial phase is still ongoing from I-70 to I-795 and is where the work zone crash in March occurred

Full release here for anyone interested: https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4801&PageId=818

Meanwhile, changes in leadership at MDOT SHA & MDTA occurred very quietly back in August (I only realized myself a few weeks ago): The previous SHA administrator departed, the previous MDTA executive director became the new SHA administrator in a lateral move, and the previous MDTA COO was promoted to MDTA executive director.

https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/tso/pages/newsroomdetails.aspx?newsId=697&PageId=38
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on October 03, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on September 29, 2023, 11:03:07 PM
Did Maryland ever consider a numbered county road system in the past? Just curious.

Maryland does have numbered county roads.  They don't post them or seem to have them on county maps.  But they do show up on municipal maps (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Town_Gridmaps/EASTON.pdf) and are shown in the route logs (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/2021%20Talbot.pdf) as points along state highways.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 03, 2023, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on October 03, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 24, 2023, 03:51:54 PM
FYI, if anyone wants to take a survey about proposed work zone changes as a result of the Lt. Governor's work group, here is the link.  Note the suggestions include unmanned speed cameras in more work zones, more speed cameras in long work zones, and higher fines.

https://zerodeathsmd.gov/wzsurvey/

On a related note: A press release was issued last week regarding the next phase* of the I-695 TSMO project, and the release is very focused on work zone safety and traffic calming measures that are being implemented with this phase. The primary measures include automated speed enforcement, reducing the speed limit by 10 mph only during active work hours, and closing the left lane to provide an additional buffer on top of the concrete barrier against the left lane (which I note has been gradually placed over the past few weeks).

*From I-795 to I-83 - the initial phase is still ongoing from I-70 to I-795 and is where the work zone crash in March occurred

Full release here for anyone interested: https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4801&PageId=818

Meanwhile, changes in leadership at MDOT SHA & MDTA occurred very quietly back in August (I only realized myself a few weeks ago): The previous SHA administrator departed, the previous MDTA executive director became the new SHA administrator in a lateral move, and the previous MDTA COO was promoted to MDTA executive director.

https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/tso/pages/newsroomdetails.aspx?newsId=697&PageId=38

Wonder if this means they are using VSL signs or if they are just manually placing signs before and after every shift
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 03, 2023, 08:24:22 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 03, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on September 29, 2023, 11:03:07 PM
Did Maryland ever consider a numbered county road system in the past? Just curious.

Maryland does have numbered county roads.  They don't post them or seem to have them on county maps.  But they do show up on municipal maps (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Town_Gridmaps/EASTON.pdf) and are shown in the route logs (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPPEN/2021%20Talbot.pdf) as points along state highways.

Interesting maps and lists.  Those roads could use those blue and gold pentagonal signs or something similar to Virginia's.

How do I access those maps from the homepage of https://www.roads.maryland.gov/pages/home.aspx ?  What do I mouse over?

EDIT:  Nevermind, the search engine on the home page is my best friend. [blush]
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: jmacswimmer on October 04, 2023, 12:02:08 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 03, 2023, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on October 03, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
On a related note: A press release was issued last week regarding the next phase* of the I-695 TSMO project, and the release is very focused on work zone safety and traffic calming measures that are being implemented with this phase. The primary measures include automated speed enforcement, reducing the speed limit by 10 mph only during active work hours, and closing the left lane to provide an additional buffer on top of the concrete barrier against the left lane (which I note has been gradually placed over the past few weeks).

*From I-795 to I-83 - the initial phase is still ongoing from I-70 to I-795 and is where the work zone crash in March occurred

Full release here for anyone interested: https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4801&PageId=818

Wonder if this means they are using VSL signs or if they are just manually placing signs before and after every shift

Confirmed earlier this morning while passing thru that it's VSL signs (which might be a first for Maryland, if I'm not mistaken):

(https://i.imgur.com/GGUk9K9.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 04, 2023, 02:59:14 PM
Thought the tunnels used to have VSLs but maybe those didn't change much.  I think more states/agencies should use VSLs. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on October 05, 2023, 01:41:41 PM
No I think MD has used them in work zones before, along 95 specifically.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on October 11, 2023, 09:23:14 PM
On wb US 50 west of MD 818...

https://www.wboc.com/news/route-50-work-starting-monday-in-worcester-county/article_4a181cec-6878-11ee-ba83-57a2b361718e.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on October 16, 2023, 08:19:08 PM
Cumberland is losing its MPO due to declining population density in Allegany County: https://www.times-news.com/news/population-decline-releases-county-from-planning-requirements/article_32572c60-69ef-11ee-9847-d3e591519b1b.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on October 16, 2023, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 16, 2023, 08:19:08 PM
Cumberland is losing its MPO due to declining population density in Allegany County: https://www.times-news.com/news/population-decline-releases-county-from-planning-requirements/article_32572c60-69ef-11ee-9847-d3e591519b1b.html
Holy cow.  Ithaca, NY was also sweating the new census numbers out, but managed to keep ITCTC around almost by single digits.

Makes me wonder how many MPOs have gone kaput due to new Census numbers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on October 20, 2023, 02:42:38 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on September 24, 2023, 03:51:54 PM
FYI, if anyone wants to take a survey about proposed work zone changes as a result of the Lt. Governor's work group, here is the link.  Note the suggestions include unmanned speed cameras in more work zones, more speed cameras in long work zones, and higher fines.

https://zerodeathsmd.gov/wzsurvey/

Sounds like $250 fines and unmanned cameras are the big recommendations.  Hopefully there's some type of graduated system or identification of a driver should this come to pass.

https://thedailyrecord.com/2023/10/19/md-work-zone-speed-camera-fines-could-jump-from-40-to-250/
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 25, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
One of the segments of MD 978 is now signed! I noticed the new signage at the intersection west of the MD 214/US 301 interchange. It looks like that segment was repaved and modernized in connection with a new housing development south and west of the interchange.

There is also another huge housing development under construction east of US 301 north, south of the MD 197 intersection, which will certainly make the existing bottleneck on US 301 south of US 50 even more chronically bad. Unfortunately the old SHA project documentation for the planned interchange construction at the US 301/MD 197 intersection is missing from the new SHA project portal, which implies that this bottleneck won't be fixed for a very long time.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Viridiscalculus on October 27, 2023, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on October 25, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
One of the segments of MD 978 is now signed! I noticed the new signage at the intersection west of the MD 214/US 301 interchange. It looks like that segment was repaved and modernized in connection with a new housing development south and west of the interchange.

There is also another huge housing development under construction east of US 301 north, south of the MD 197 intersection, which will certainly make the existing bottleneck on US 301 south of US 50 even more chronically bad. Unfortunately the old SHA project documentation for the planned interchange construction at the US 301/MD 197 intersection is missing from the new SHA project portal, which implies that this bottleneck won't be fixed for a very long time.

MD 956 is no longer the highest-numbered signed state highway for the first time since...the late 1990s (http://www.mdroads.com/routes/980-999.html#md996)?

According to Google Street View, the MD 978 sign has been there since at latest June 2023 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/1FRJPyLMR3EjhUZZ8). The sign was not present in June 2022 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/4QVJBJqFNp7CSqzaA), but intersection improvements had begun by then.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Viridiscalculus on October 27, 2023, 11:25:40 PM
In other news, the 2022 Highway Location Reference (https://roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/index.aspx?PageId=832) documents are out. Data are as of December 31, 2022.

Several new service roads have been designated as part of the toll plaza removals:

Other changes:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on October 29, 2023, 10:42:18 PM
How does MD come up with route numbers for new highways? It seems like theyre just randomly assigned everywhere ... or is there a method to the madness?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dough4872 on October 29, 2023, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on October 29, 2023, 10:42:18 PM
How does MD come up with route numbers for new highways? It seems like theyre just randomly assigned everywhere ... or is there a method to the madness?

A lot of the lower numbers from 2-378 are in geographical clusters, for example 267-286 is in Cecil County. Numbers above 378 are random throughout the state.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cockroachking on October 30, 2023, 01:10:09 AM
Quote from: Dough4872 on October 29, 2023, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on October 29, 2023, 10:42:18 PM
How does MD come up with route numbers for new highways? It seems like theyre just randomly assigned everywhere ... or is there a method to the madness?

A lot of the lower numbers from 2-378 are in geographical clusters, for example 267-286 is in Cecil County. Numbers above 378 are random throughout the state.
Basically this. MDRoads (http://www.mdroads.com/routes/md.html) has a fairly comprehensive description.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on October 30, 2023, 02:21:33 PM
Im a bit confused, how did 355 come about? It looks like the range assignment should have it in the eastern shore somewhere yet its the old US-240 route. I wonder why MD just didnt number it 240 like they did with the 222 route.

Maybe im getting too into the weeds here but this makes me  :confused:
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cockroachking on October 30, 2023, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on October 30, 2023, 02:21:33 PM
Im a bit confused, how did 355 come about? It looks like the range assignment should have it in the eastern shore somewhere yet its the old US-240 route. I wonder why MD just didnt number it 240 like they did with the 222 route.

Maybe im getting too into the weeds here but this makes me  :confused:
There was a 355 originally in Somerset County that got axed fairly early on. Post-WWII, numbers seemed to be assigned more randomly from those that were not active at the time (see MD-10, MD41, or MD43). Since US-240 was being moved onto present-day I-270 at the time, MD-240 would not have been a good decision, and 355 happened to be the number of choice. Once US-240 was decommissioned in favor of I-270, MD-355 stayed as-is, since it would have been silly to renumber it again. (Remember, key here is that the US-240 freeway slightly predated the Interstate Highway System.)
Source (http://www.mdroads.com/routes/340-359.html#md355)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 30, 2023, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: Viridiscalculus on October 27, 2023, 11:25:40 PM
The BGSs for Watkins Mill Road (https://maps.app.goo.gl/yCzFocygJ37bm2nR6) on I-270 in Gaithersburg were a dead giveaway that the route was going to be assigned a state route number. MD 114 returns to active duty, but not yet in the field and not yet with details in the HLR.
Using MD 114 seems like a waste of a 100 route. Since it'll be little more than a mile long. On the other hand, what else would they use that route number on?

We just have wait until 2030 for the route to be signed. Since the county maintains the road until then. 
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: cockroachking on October 31, 2023, 12:38:04 AM
Quote from: BrianP on October 30, 2023, 02:44:23 PM
We just have wait until 2030 for the route to be signed. Since the county maintains the road until then.
Source? AIUI, it has already been transferred to SHA:

Quote from: MDOT SHA 2022 Highway Location Reference
ROUTE ALERT LIST
MONTGOMERY COUNTY
MD 114 – Watkins Mill Rd.  From Clopper Rd to MD 355 has been transferred to SHA.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: BrianP on October 31, 2023, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: cockroachking on October 31, 2023, 12:38:04 AM
Quote from: BrianP on October 30, 2023, 02:44:23 PM
We just have wait until 2030 for the route to be signed. Since the county maintains the road until then.
Source? AIUI, it has already been transferred to SHA:

Quote from: MDOT SHA 2022 Highway Location Reference
ROUTE ALERT LIST
MONTGOMERY COUNTY
MD 114 – Watkins Mill Rd.  From Clopper Rd to MD 355 has been transferred to SHA.
I looked it up again. The ten year part to which I was referring turns out to be a maximum. 
QuoteThe County will assume ownership and maintenance of the road, except that the City will be responsible for snow removal for a period of ten years or until such time as the road is turned over to SHA, whichever is less.
The segments this refers to are the parts adjacent to the interchange.
https://apps.montgomerycountymd.gov/BASISCAPITAL/Common/Project.aspx?ID=P500724

So now all we need is a project to add and update the signage.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on November 18, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
Whats up with the milepost markers on US-1? No way its mile 3 obviously, since its way up north so where are they measuring from? Is this due to jurisdictional change or something?

Also kinda surprised to see these enhanced MP markers, I don't think they are around anywhere else in the state. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5134403,-76.3778982,3a,75y,28.99h,88.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSJKpQIySkuSoNvacEuni6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on November 18, 2023, 07:18:27 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on November 18, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
Whats up with the milepost markers on US-1? No way its mile 3 obviously, since its way up north so where are they measuring from? Is this due to jurisdictional change or something?

Also kinda surprised to see these enhanced MP markers, I don't think they are around anywhere else in the state. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5134403,-76.3778982,3a,75y,28.99h,88.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSJKpQIySkuSoNvacEuni6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Looks to me like they're measuring from the Baltimore/Harford County line.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on November 18, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
Many states have mileage for non-freeway routes reset at county lines.  Looks like Maryland is one of them.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 09:34:27 PM
It occurred to me earlier this evening (while talking to my brother on a phone call) that this past week marked the 60th anniversary of the opening of the Delaware Turnpike/Maryland Northeast Expressway.

There was a ceremony (ribbon cutting and unveiling of a replica Mason-Dixon crownstone) at the MD-DE line on Nov 14, 1963, with President Kennedy, Delaware Governor Elbert Carvel, and Maryland Governor Millard Tydings. First traffic allowed at midnight Nov. 15.

Eight days later (Nov 22), President Kennedy was assassinated. Entire highway renamed in JFK's honor in December.

(side note - I remembered this when my brother asked about the I-95 bridge over the Susquehanna River -- which is called the Tydings Bridge).

(note - identical post placed in Delaware thread)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on November 18, 2023, 10:04:02 PM
Per mob-rule, the Baltimore/Harford County Line is approximately here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4764688,-76.4084079,3a,69.3y,39.85h,90.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6IhhMWi-kcdAFulTnzQ7jQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D6IhhMWi-kcdAFulTnzQ7jQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D149.91888%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).  Measuring it out, it is about three miles to that mile marker.  Therefore, the mileage being from the county line is a reasonable assumption.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on November 18, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
Whats up with the milepost markers on US-1? No way its mile 3 obviously, since its way up north so where are they measuring from? Is this due to jurisdictional change or something?

Also kinda surprised to see these enhanced MP markers, I don't think they are around anywhere else in the state. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5134403,-76.3778982,3a,75y,28.99h,88.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSJKpQIySkuSoNvacEuni6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Re: enhanced mileage markers in Maryland. Last week, I drove on significant portions of US 13 (35 out of about 40 miles in MD) and US 50 (85 of about 140 miles in the eastern section of US 50 in MD) and I saw mileposts like that along both of them. But this is the only part of US 1 north of Baltimore on which I have seen them.

Because of family in extreme northern Delaware, and me being between Baltimore and Washington, I have driven this stretch of US 1 a lot over the last 25 years or so.

This milepost in the link, as the accompanying map shows, is not that far north of MD 147 intersection. It is on a US 1 bypass of Bel Air which continues for about 8 (?) miles or so to Hickory. There are mileposts like this along the entire bypass.

I agree that they are counting from the Harford/Baltimore county line (always used to wonder about that). But south of MD 147, which is not a bypass, there is no milepost 0, 1. or 2, nor is there any above about 11 (north of Hickory). There aren't any mileposts along any other part of US 1 north of Baltimore.

US 1 used to go right through Bel Air (it is now Business US 1, with mostly green signs). I do not know the history of this area very well, as mentioned I was not on this bypass prior to about 25 years ago.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2023, 10:04:02 PM
Per mob-rule, the Baltimore/Harford County Line is approximately here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4764688,-76.4084079,3a,69.3y,39.85h,90.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6IhhMWi-kcdAFulTnzQ7jQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D6IhhMWi-kcdAFulTnzQ7jQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D149.91888%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).  Measuring it out, it is about three miles to that mile marker.  Therefore, the mileage being from the county line is a reasonable assumption.

County line is at a bridge over Little Gunpowder Falls. Last time I drove it, there were signs announcing the county line change.   

(per mob-rule??? You could just ask a local like me)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
Many states have mileage for non-freeway routes reset at county lines.  Looks like Maryland is one of them.

Not true for US 50 (eastern section), US 13, or US 15, all of which I have been on in the last four months. The mileposts are cumulative for the entire state. US 13 and US 50 cross county lines within the state (US 15 does not).

With the exception of US 1 (see below), I haven't been on the other US routes (US 11 or farther west, the (very short) sections of US 222 or US 522, or US 40 where it is not multiplexed with I-70) recently enough to definitively say.

As mentioned in another post I made, US 1 north of Baltimore generally does not have mileposts with the exception of the 8 (or so) miles of the Bel Air bypass. What is occurring here is an exception, not the rule.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on November 19, 2023, 10:21:51 AM
US 301 also has them as a statewide accumulation.

99% sure US 340 has them, too.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: vdeane on November 19, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
Many states have mileage for non-freeway routes reset at county lines.  Looks like Maryland is one of them.

Not true for US 50 (eastern section), US 13, or US 15, all of which I have been on in the last four months. The mileposts are cumulative for the entire state. US 13 and US 50 cross county lines within the state (US 15 does not).

With the exception of US 1 (see below), I haven't been on the other US routes (US 11 or farther west, the (very short) sections of US 222 or US 522, or US 40 where it is not multiplexed with I-70) recently enough to definitively say.

As mentioned in another post I made, US 1 north of Baltimore generally does not have mileposts with the exception of the 8 (or so) miles of the Bel Air bypass. What is occurring here is an exception, not the rule.
I said mileage, not mileposts.  Those other examples are all limited-access divided highways, so Maryland might be treating them like freeways in that respect.  I would wager that all state DOTs have some form of internal mileage system that they use for keeping track of things like data and capital projects, even if such is not posted or even completely divorced from what is posted.  NY does.  All our capital projects and digitized data uses a system of milepoints that reset at county lines*.  This is completely separate from the posted mile markers on routes that have them** and even the reference markers.  This makes life interesting, as Region 1 at least still uses reference markers for everything, meaning that the data needs to be translated when moving between MO and the region.  If Maryland uses such a system and for some reason decided to plop mile markers on US 1 that match it there, that could be why they are the way they are.  Now, maybe what you really wanted to know is "why did they do this?", but I didn't have reason to suspect such at the time, I was just responding to the literal question of "where did the number 3 come from?".

*I'm not sure this holds true for the Thruway, however.  That might be why they're so resistant to resigning everything to comply with the MUTCD, even after the AET conversion broke apart the ticket system.
**NY 5 on the Buffalo Skyway actually does have mileposts that match the milepoint system.  It's the only place in the state that I can think of that does, aside from coincidences with respect to routes that don't cross county lines.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on November 19, 2023, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 19, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
Many states have mileage for non-freeway routes reset at county lines.  Looks like Maryland is one of them.

Not true for US 50 (eastern section), US 13, or US 15, all of which I have been on in the last four months. The mileposts are cumulative for the entire state. US 13 and US 50 cross county lines within the state (US 15 does not).

With the exception of US 1 (see below), I haven't been on the other US routes (US 11 or farther west, the (very short) sections of US 222 or US 522, or US 40 where it is not multiplexed with I-70) recently enough to definitively say.

As mentioned in another post I made, US 1 north of Baltimore generally does not have mileposts with the exception of the 8 (or so) miles of the Bel Air bypass. What is occurring here is an exception, not the rule.
I said mileage, not mileposts.  Those other examples are all limited-access divided highways, so Maryland might be treating them like freeways in that respect.  I would wager that all state DOTs have some form of internal mileage system that they use for keeping track of things like data and capital projects, even if such is not posted or even completely divorced from what is posted.  NY does.  All our capital projects and digitized data uses a system of milepoints that reset at county lines*.  This is completely separate from the posted mile markers on routes that have them** and even the reference markers.  This makes life interesting, as Region 1 at least still uses reference markers for everything, meaning that the data needs to be translated when moving between MO and the region.  If Maryland uses such a system and for some reason decided to plop mile markers on US 1 that match it there, that could be why they are the way they are.  Now, maybe what you really wanted to know is "why did they do this?", but I didn't have reason to suspect such at the time, I was just responding to the literal question of "where did the number 3 come from?".

*I'm not sure this holds true for the Thruway, however.  That might be why they're so resistant to resigning everything to comply with the MUTCD, even after the AET conversion broke apart the ticket system.
**NY 5 on the Buffalo Skyway actually does have mileposts that match the milepoint system.  It's the only place in the state that I can think of that does, aside from coincidences with respect to routes that don't cross county lines.
You forgot to drop the mic.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: elsmere241 on November 21, 2023, 09:51:44 AM
US 40 in Cecil County seems to have mileposts starting from the Harford County line.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on November 23, 2023, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: elsmere241 on November 21, 2023, 09:51:44 AM
US 40 in Cecil County seems to have mileposts starting from the Harford County line.

MDTA definitely at least has them on the Hatem Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Dough4872 on November 24, 2023, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on November 23, 2023, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: elsmere241 on November 21, 2023, 09:51:44 AM
US 40 in Cecil County seems to have mileposts starting from the Harford County line.

MDTA definitely at least has them on the Hatem Bridge.

I don't recall seeing mileposts on US 40 in Cecil County besides near the Hatem Bridge.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on November 24, 2023, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: vdeane on November 19, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
Many states have mileage for non-freeway routes reset at county lines.  Looks like Maryland is one of them.

Not true for US 50 (eastern section), US 13, or US 15, all of which I have been on in the last four months. The mileposts are cumulative for the entire state. US 13 and US 50 cross county lines within the state (US 15 does not).

With the exception of US 1 (see below), I haven't been on the other US routes (US 11 or farther west, the (very short) sections of US 222 or US 522, or US 40 where it is not multiplexed with I-70) recently enough to definitively say.

As mentioned in another post I made, US 1 north of Baltimore generally does not have mileposts with the exception of the 8 (or so) miles of the Bel Air bypass. What is occurring here is an exception, not the rule.
I said mileage, not mileposts.  Those other examples are all limited-access divided highways, so Maryland might be treating them like freeways in that respect.  I would wager that all state DOTs have some form of internal mileage system that they use for keeping track of things like data and capital projects, even if such is not posted or even completely divorced from what is posted.

Of course. I would be surprised if any county did NOT have such a system.

My point was that the mileposts only exist in this "newer" section of road. The stretch of road where these mileposts exist is also mostly limited access (not sure about the far northern end).

I thought, since I have actually driven this road many times, that I add some info that others might not be able to.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on December 11, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
The new 95 express lane striping at the Big Gunpowder looks so gorgeous...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on December 11, 2023, 09:45:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on December 11, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
The new 95 express lane striping at the Big Gunpowder looks so gorgeous...

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the existing northbound ETLs are tied into the new ETLs.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on December 25, 2023, 05:24:48 PM
Merry Christmas from the sound-barrier-in-progress on 95 south between MMs 79 and 78...
(https://i.imgur.com/tcVvAzT.jpg)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 03:37:11 PM
$290 fine for going 12 MPH over the speed limit from an unmanned camera (likely hidden)?  Yikes.

https://www.wrde.com/news/maryland-proposes-hefty-fines-for-speeding-in-work-zones/article_048b24c0-bc98-11ee-b211-4f70574a9e1f.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on January 27, 2024, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 03:37:11 PM
$290 fine for going 12 MPH over the speed limit from an unmanned camera (likely hidden)?  Yikes.

https://www.wrde.com/news/maryland-proposes-hefty-fines-for-speeding-in-work-zones/article_048b24c0-bc98-11ee-b211-4f70574a9e1f.html

This is the response to a work zone crash on the Baltimore Beltway in 2023 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/11/17/maryland-baltimore-highway-deaths/) that killed 6 workers.  Note that Maryland posts which construction zones are using speed cameras.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on January 27, 2024, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 27, 2024, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 03:37:11 PM
$290 fine for going 12 MPH over the speed limit from an unmanned camera (likely hidden)?  Yikes.

https://www.wrde.com/news/maryland-proposes-hefty-fines-for-speeding-in-work-zones/article_048b24c0-bc98-11ee-b211-4f70574a9e1f.html

This is the response to a work zone crash on the Baltimore Beltway in 2023 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/11/17/maryland-baltimore-highway-deaths/) that killed 6 workers.  Note that Maryland posts which construction zones are using speed cameras.

Also being a Maryland resident, I have no problem with this at all.

Similar to the fees for passing stopped school buses, if a high fine might get drivers to drive sensibly, so be it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on January 27, 2024, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 27, 2024, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 03:37:11 PM
$290 fine for going 12 MPH over the speed limit from an unmanned camera (likely hidden)?  Yikes.

https://www.wrde.com/news/maryland-proposes-hefty-fines-for-speeding-in-work-zones/article_048b24c0-bc98-11ee-b211-4f70574a9e1f.html

This is the response to a work zone crash on the Baltimore Beltway in 2023 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/11/17/maryland-baltimore-highway-deaths/) that killed 6 workers.  Note that Maryland posts which construction zones are using speed cameras.

Also being a Maryland resident, I have no problem with this at all.

Similar to the fees for passing stopped school buses, if a high fine might get drivers to drive sensibly, so be it.

I'd be more fine with it if it were only when workers were present and the driver (not the vehicle owner) got the citation.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on January 27, 2024, 10:23:15 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on January 27, 2024, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 27, 2024, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 03:37:11 PM
$290 fine for going 12 MPH over the speed limit from an unmanned camera (likely hidden)?  Yikes.

https://www.wrde.com/news/maryland-proposes-hefty-fines-for-speeding-in-work-zones/article_048b24c0-bc98-11ee-b211-4f70574a9e1f.html

This is the response to a work zone crash on the Baltimore Beltway in 2023 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/11/17/maryland-baltimore-highway-deaths/) that killed 6 workers.  Note that Maryland posts which construction zones are using speed cameras.

Also being a Maryland resident, I have no problem with this at all.

Similar to the fees for passing stopped school buses, if a high fine might get drivers to drive sensibly, so be it.

I'd be more fine with it if it were only when workers were present and the driver (not the vehicle owner) got the citation.

Wasn't aware of those details. I agree with you if that is the case.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on January 27, 2024, 10:35:00 PM
all speed camera set ups everywhere that don't result in law enforcement pulling the car over send a citation to the registered owner.  It would take some serious big brothering to know who the driver actually was.

This is why these citations are fines only and no points.  The car owner can lean on the actual driver for reimbursement if necessary, but points can't be done that way.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on January 28, 2024, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 27, 2024, 10:35:00 PM
all speed camera set ups everywhere that don't result in law enforcement pulling the car over send a citation to the registered owner.  It would take some serious big brothering to know who the driver actually was.

This is why these citations are fines only and no points.  The car owner can lean on the actual driver for reimbursement if necessary, but points can't be done that way.

It's that way in multiple places outside the US, plus Arizona and California. Tickets there result in fines and points. Illinois' work zone cameras also photograph the driver and charge them the same as a police issued ticket (with a license suspension the second time)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on January 28, 2024, 01:33:53 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on January 27, 2024, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 27, 2024, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 27, 2024, 03:37:11 PM
$290 fine for going 12 MPH over the speed limit from an unmanned camera (likely hidden)?  Yikes.

https://www.wrde.com/news/maryland-proposes-hefty-fines-for-speeding-in-work-zones/article_048b24c0-bc98-11ee-b211-4f70574a9e1f.html

This is the response to a work zone crash on the Baltimore Beltway in 2023 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/11/17/maryland-baltimore-highway-deaths/) that killed 6 workers.  Note that Maryland posts which construction zones are using speed cameras.

Also being a Maryland resident, I have no problem with this at all.

Similar to the fees for passing stopped school buses, if a high fine might get drivers to drive sensibly, so be it.

I'd be more fine with it if it were only when workers were present and the driver (not the vehicle owner) got the citation.

This is how it'd work in an ideal world...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on January 28, 2024, 05:08:29 PM
This one should make Highwaystar happy.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/96206174878/permalink/10162291546139879/
I-695 to Baltimore is signed via I-695 SB to I-95 NB.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on January 28, 2024, 05:23:57 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 28, 2024, 05:08:29 PM
This one should make Highwaystar happy.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/96206174878/permalink/10162291546139879/
I-695 to Baltimore is signed via I-695 SB to I-95 NB.
I tried to view this but I do not want to join another FB group, so I did not view it.

Under the assumption the sign is on I-70 EB approaching I-695, it (sign) has been like that for a long time. You all know why you can't go straight.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on January 28, 2024, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on January 28, 2024, 05:23:57 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 28, 2024, 05:08:29 PM
This one should make Highwaystar happy.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/96206174878/permalink/10162291546139879/
I-695 to Baltimore is signed via I-695 SB to I-95 NB.
I tried to view this but I do not want to join another FB group, so I did not view it.

Under the assumption the sign is on I-70 EB approaching I-695, it (sign) has been like that for a long time. You all know why you can't go straight.

Yeah, but Highwaystar has the same mentality as NJDOT where control cities can not be indirect. Lately New Jersey has to put a TO shield denoting the indirect connection. So I was trying to make a joke that failed here.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 03, 2024, 08:12:43 PM
I just found this nearly two-year-old article from BBC about US 40 and the road's role in the civil rights movement;
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220306-the-us-highway-that-helped-break-segregation

The article points out the fact that I-95 was built a week after Jim Crow officially ended along the road and made it so nobody has to go there anymore. However sometimes people take detours from I-95 onto US 40, and I've been one of them. And that article just gave me a new excuse to do so!





Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 10:12:21 AM
Most of the ETLs between 24 and 152 almost look good to go. Basically all that's left is striping. New northbound street name blades have also gone up at multiple overpasses, e.g. Bradshaw and Old Joppa.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on February 04, 2024, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 03, 2024, 08:12:43 PM
I just found this nearly two-year-old article from BBC about US 40 and the road's role in the civil rights movement;
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220306-the-us-highway-that-helped-break-segregation

The article points out the fact that I-95 was built a week after Jim Crow officially ended along the road and made it so nobody has to go there anymore. However sometimes people take detours from I-95 onto US 40, and I've been one of them. And that article just gave me a new excuse to do so!

Having grown up in Delaware, I also found this article of interest. We often took US 40 in Maryland either to avoid I-95 backups, or just to see something different since we weren't in a hurry.

However, I failed to see any mention in the article of exactly when Jim Crow laws ended along the road. Did I overlook it?

I assume that "built" (what I bolded in the above quote) should really be "opened"? (it'd be fantastic if roads could be built that quickly!)

I know that stretch of I-95 opened on Nov. 15, 1963 (one week before Kennedy's assaassination) which could be looked at as 15 days after the end of October, or 15 days before the end of November (big changes like that usually occur at calendar changes). The fact that the article says "change came almost too late for US 40" makes me think change happened at the end of November. But I failed to find any reference to this in the article, or in a quick Internet search.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 05, 2024, 07:12:15 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 04, 2024, 01:40:11 PM
I assume that "built" (what I bolded in the above quote) should really be "opened"? (it'd be fantastic if roads could be built that quickly!)
Yeah, that was a mistake on my part. That would be great if road could be built that quickly.


Quote from: tmoore952 on February 04, 2024, 01:40:11 PM
I know that stretch of I-95 opened on Nov. 15, 1963 (one week before Kennedy's assaassination) which could be looked at as 15 days after the end of October, or 15 days before the end of November (big changes like that usually occur at calendar changes). The fact that the article says "change came almost too late for US 40" makes me think change happened at the end of November. But I failed to find any reference to this in the article, or in a quick Internet search.
My interpretation was the opposite. To me, the line "change came almost too late for US 40" makes me think Jim Crow was abolished a week before I-95 was opened.

I've taken US 40 for the same reasons as you; seeking to avoid traffic on I-95 or a change of scenery. But I also went there back in the day when I had doubts about the safety of the Millard Tydings Memorial Bridge, and when I wanted to take picture of something specific along US 40. The various restaurants and other facilities that used to discriminate against people of color makes me want to grab some pics now.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 07, 2024, 08:09:49 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 10:12:21 AM
Most of the ETLs between 24 and 152 almost look good to go. Basically all that's left is striping. New northbound street name blades have also gone up at multiple overpasses, e.g. Bradshaw and Old Joppa.

Are the E-ZPass gantries under construction yet? I will be interested to see which locations will have gantries installed immediately and which ones will remain unbuilt prior to the next extension north.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on February 07, 2024, 08:56:40 PM
Haven't really been paying attention to this because my trips from DC area to Delaware, which used to be about 10x a year, have become very rare now due to family changes.

Are these "EZ Pass gantries" going between each interchange (so that, for example, it would no longer be free to drive from I-695 to MD 155 without paying)?

If the answer is yes, is the total toll going to be the same?

MD 200 near me has toll gantries between each interchange, so that is the model I see in my head when I read this.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 07, 2024, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 07, 2024, 08:56:40 PM
Haven't really been paying attention to this because my trips from DC area to Delaware, which used to be about 10x a year, have become very rare now due to family changes.

Are these "EZ Pass gantries" going between each interchange (so that, for example, it would no longer be free to drive from I-695 to MD 155 without paying)?

If the answer is yes, is the total toll going to be the same?

MD 200 near me has toll gantries between each interchange, so that is the model I see in my head when I read this.

The gantries will only be installed over the ETL carriage ways, not the existing 4-lane general purpose carriage ways, and the transponder readers will be aligned to look straight down at the road lanes so that they can only pick up transponders from vehicles in the ETL lanes. A full-length trip from the split north of I-95 Exit 61 to the temporary end point beyond I-95 Exit 77 would traverse a maximum of four active ETL gantries. The total toll for trips between I-95 Exit 61 and I-95 Exit 67 will remain on the same toll schedule but a new schedule will exist for trips past that point.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on February 07, 2024, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on February 07, 2024, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 07, 2024, 08:56:40 PM
Haven't really been paying attention to this because my trips from DC area to Delaware, which used to be about 10x a year, have become very rare now due to family changes.

Are these "EZ Pass gantries" going between each interchange (so that, for example, it would no longer be free to drive from I-695 to MD 155 without paying)?

If the answer is yes, is the total toll going to be the same?

MD 200 near me has toll gantries between each interchange, so that is the model I see in my head when I read this.

The gantries will only be installed over the ETL carriage ways, not the existing 4-lane general purpose carriage ways, and the transponder readers will be aligned to look straight down at the road lanes so that they can only pick up transponders from vehicles in the ETL lanes. A full-length trip from the split north of I-95 Exit 61 to the temporary end point beyond I-95 Exit 77 would traverse a maximum of four active ETL gantries. The total toll for trips between I-95 Exit 61 and I-95 Exit 67 will remain on the same toll schedule but a new schedule will exist for trips past that point.

Oh I see -- similar to what already exists around Exits 61-67 (IIRC). That did exist before I stopped making that trip regularly.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on February 12, 2024, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 07, 2024, 08:56:40 PM
Are these "EZ Pass gantries" going between each interchange (so that, for example, it would no longer be free to drive from I-695 to MD 155 without paying)?

This would suck for me as someone who has this as his home stretch of Interstate. Fortunately there's a fat chance of it happening.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 11:22:38 AM
Yesterday I noticed some interstate shield signs, with square signs underneath have been put up (backwards for now) along:
Clara Barton Parkway EB to I-495 ramp to VA, and I-495 NB ramp to Clara Barton Parkway WB (which is only accessible using I-495 from VA at the north end of the American Legion Bridge).

I regularly drive on Clara Barton Parkway EB to I-495 NB -- which is a cloverleaf ramp -- last night as I went around this cloverleaf I could see one of the signs on the I-495 NB to Clara Barton Parkway WB ramp (which the cloverleaf ramp parallels in the opposite direction - the sign is backwards for now on the other ramp). The interstate shield said I-495 (as you'd expect). The square sign beneath was orange with black letters (indicating a detour or construction, I assume). Unfortunately it was too dark for me to read the sign and also safely navigate the turn, so I could not read the sign.

So it appears there is some work that will be occurring there. But I could not find anything about this on a quick Google search. It'll be a few days before I am back there to look again.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Mapmikey on February 17, 2024, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 11:22:38 AM
Yesterday I noticed some interstate shield signs, with square signs underneath have been put up (backwards for now) along:
Clara Barton Parkway EB to I-495 ramp to VA, and I-495 NB ramp to Clara Barton Parkway WB (which is only accessible using I-495 from VA at the north end of the American Legion Bridge).

I regularly drive on Clara Barton Parkway EB to I-495 NB -- which is a cloverleaf ramp -- last night as I went around this cloverleaf I could see one of the signs on the I-495 NB to Clara Barton Parkway WB ramp (which the cloverleaf ramp parallels in the opposite direction - the sign is backwards for now on the other ramp). The interstate shield said I-495 (as you'd expect). The square sign beneath was orange with black letters (indicating a detour or construction, I assume). Unfortunately it was too dark for me to read the sign and also safely navigate the turn, so I could not read the sign.

So it appears there is some work that will be occurring there. But I could not find anything about this on a quick Google search. It'll be a few days before I am back there to look again.

Actually this is a convoluted detour for work on the GW Pkwy ramp to 495 SB.

https://www.vdot.virginia.gov/news-events/news/northern-virginia-district/nightly-ramp-closure-from-george-washington-memorial-parkway-to-i-495-south-scheduled-during-weeks-of-february-19-and-26.html
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 17, 2024, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 11:22:38 AM
Yesterday I noticed some interstate shield signs, with square signs underneath have been put up (backwards for now) along:
Clara Barton Parkway EB to I-495 ramp to VA, and I-495 NB ramp to Clara Barton Parkway WB (which is only accessible using I-495 from VA at the north end of the American Legion Bridge).

I regularly drive on Clara Barton Parkway EB to I-495 NB -- which is a cloverleaf ramp -- last night as I went around this cloverleaf I could see one of the signs on the I-495 NB to Clara Barton Parkway WB ramp (which the cloverleaf ramp parallels in the opposite direction - the sign is backwards for now on the other ramp). The interstate shield said I-495 (as you'd expect). The square sign beneath was orange with black letters (indicating a detour or construction, I assume). Unfortunately it was too dark for me to read the sign and also safely navigate the turn, so I could not read the sign.

So it appears there is some work that will be occurring there. But I could not find anything about this on a quick Google search. It'll be a few days before I am back there to look again.

Actually this is a convoluted detour for work on the GW Pkwy ramp to 495 SB.

https://www.vdot.virginia.gov/news-events/news/northern-virginia-district/nightly-ramp-closure-from-george-washington-memorial-parkway-to-i-495-south-scheduled-during-weeks-of-february-19-and-26.html
This makes sense. U-turn would be done via the Carderock interchange on the Clara Barton Parkway - which is to the west of I-495 -- and therefore the detour would use the two ramps I mention.

No wonder I could not find anything about it when googling about Maryland.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on February 18, 2024, 11:13:18 AM
It's crazy how many people think they own 95 north between 895 and White Marsh on Sunday mornings. At least most heed the work zone warnings past White Marsh.

On a more positive note, there is landscaping work (i.e. tree planting) going on on the Baltimore County side of the LGF on the northbound shoulder, and I can already tell it'll turn our great.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on February 18, 2024, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 18, 2024, 11:13:18 AM
On a more positive note, there is landscaping work (i.e. tree planting) going on on the Baltimore County side of the LGF on the northbound shoulder, and I can already tell it'll turn our great.

I live in Maryland and have been driving through the area you mention for almost a handful of decades.

Nevertheless, I do not know what you mean by "LGF". Judging from what you wrote, I am guessing it on a county line somewhere, possibly with Harford?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: dlsterner on February 18, 2024, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 18, 2024, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 18, 2024, 11:13:18 AM
On a more positive note, there is landscaping work (i.e. tree planting) going on on the Baltimore County side of the LGF on the northbound shoulder, and I can already tell it'll turn our great.

I live in Maryland and have been driving through the area you mention for almost a handful of decades.

Nevertheless, I do not know what you mean by "LGF". Judging from what you wrote, I am guessing it on a county line somewhere, possibly with Harford?

Me too ... been living in Maryland the past 43 years (longer than epzik8 has been alive (according to his profile)) yet I'm also drawing a blank with "LGF" ...

(Update: epzik8 might be referring to the Little Gunpowder Falls river)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: tmoore952 on February 18, 2024, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 18, 2024, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 18, 2024, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 18, 2024, 11:13:18 AM
On a more positive note, there is landscaping work (i.e. tree planting) going on on the Baltimore County side of the LGF on the northbound shoulder, and I can already tell it'll turn our great.

I live in Maryland and have been driving through the area you mention for almost a handful of decades.

Nevertheless, I do not know what you mean by "LGF". Judging from what you wrote, I am guessing it on a county line somewhere, possibly with Harford?

Me too ... been living in Maryland the past 43 years (longer than epzik8 has been alive (according to his profile)) yet I'm also drawing a blank with "LGF" ...

(Update: epzik8 might be referring to the Little Gunpowder Falls river)
I also thought Gunpowder Falls by virtue of the county line inference from the earlier post.

But epzik8 also mentions a shoulder, which seems to imply a road.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on February 19, 2024, 05:54:42 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 18, 2024, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 18, 2024, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 18, 2024, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 18, 2024, 11:13:18 AM
On a more positive note, there is landscaping work (i.e. tree planting) going on on the Baltimore County side of the LGF on the northbound shoulder, and I can already tell it'll turn our great.

I live in Maryland and have been driving through the area you mention for almost a handful of decades.

Nevertheless, I do not know what you mean by "LGF". Judging from what you wrote, I am guessing it on a county line somewhere, possibly with Harford?

Me too ... been living in Maryland the past 43 years (longer than epzik8 has been alive (according to his profile)) yet I'm also drawing a blank with "LGF" ...

(Update: epzik8 might be referring to the Little Gunpowder Falls river)
I also thought Gunpowder Falls by virtue of the county line inference from the earlier post.

But epzik8 also mentions a shoulder, which seems to imply a road.
the road would be i-95
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on February 25, 2024, 08:40:43 PM
What's with the bold Clearview on recent guide signs on 29 north between 100 and I-70? It looks rather hideous.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on February 26, 2024, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 25, 2024, 08:40:43 PM
What's with the bold Clearview on recent guide signs on 29 north between 100 and I-70? It looks rather hideous.

Are you talking about this for example?

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2602787,-76.8200506,3a,57.7y,14.06h,91.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sO_rcUWtcCiPDuMqxrYSkow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Or, do you mean *this* has been replaced since GSV last came through in May of '23?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: FLAVORTOWN on February 26, 2024, 09:15:29 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2966879,-76.8165169,3a,75y,268.39h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWZASNu6vIFPuN3v2E0Bmuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

I wonder why they bothered to sign 29 North when it ends practically right after the offramp.

Speaking of 29, was this the planned terminus or was it planned to go further up north? It looks like it comes to a sudden end to me for some reason...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on February 26, 2024, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: FLAVORTOWN on February 26, 2024, 09:15:29 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2966879,-76.8165169,3a,75y,268.39h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWZASNu6vIFPuN3v2E0Bmuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

I wonder why they bothered to sign 29 North when it ends practically right after the offramp.

Speaking of 29, was this the planned terminus or was it planned to go further up north? It looks like it comes to a sudden end to me for some reason...

The divided highway was supposed to continue to the north as part of the Baltimore Outer Beltway. As far as I know there was no specific path for it beyond MD 99 and I don't even know if the highway was supposed to be fully grade separated beyond I-70. I do now that it was intended to continue all the way around the western and northern Baltimore outer suburban area before eventually terminating at US 40.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 26, 2024, 10:36:57 PM
I can't find much information about the Baltimore Outer Beltway, other than four miles of US 29, all of MD 100, and 5.5 miles of MD 43 are all that exist of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Outer_Beltway.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on February 27, 2024, 06:52:59 AM
MD 43 was not part of the Outer Beltway, despite what Wikipedia claims.  The 1964 BMATS plan (https://flic.kr/p/pt4kZt) had it a few miles further north.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2024, 01:36:04 PM
There was also to have been a Washington Outer Beltway: http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Outer_Beltway.html; http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Wash_Bypass.html. However, like the Baltimore Outer Beltway, it never came into fruition.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex4897 on February 27, 2024, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2024, 01:36:04 PM
There was also to have been a Washington Outer Beltway: http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Outer_Beltway.html; http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Wash_Bypass.html. However, like the Baltimore Outer Beltway, it never came into fruition.

It's a shame something like the eastern bypass never came to fruition, getting regional pass-thru traffic away from the core of DC would've avoided (or at least alleviated) so many of the problems currently present between Baltimore and Fredericksburg. Past critics of the idea didn't need to look too far up I-95 to find the New Jersey Turnpike as a good example of a road built for regional traffic that doesn't induce the kind of sprawl that a traditional beltway does.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on March 01, 2024, 06:41:46 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on February 27, 2024, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2024, 01:36:04 PM
There was also to have been a Washington Outer Beltway: http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Outer_Beltway.html; http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Wash_Bypass.html. However, like the Baltimore Outer Beltway, it never came into fruition.

It's a shame something like the eastern bypass never came to fruition, getting regional pass-thru traffic away from the core of DC would've avoided (or at least alleviated) so many of the problems currently present between Baltimore and Fredericksburg. Past critics of the idea didn't need to look too far up I-95 to find the New Jersey Turnpike as a good example of a road built for regional traffic that doesn't induce the kind of sprawl that a traditional beltway does.

There is 301, which however has traffic lights...
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: mrsman on March 10, 2024, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on February 27, 2024, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2024, 01:36:04 PM
There was also to have been a Washington Outer Beltway: http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Outer_Beltway.html; http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Wash_Bypass.html. However, like the Baltimore Outer Beltway, it never came into fruition.

It's a shame something like the eastern bypass never came to fruition, getting regional pass-thru traffic away from the core of DC would've avoided (or at least alleviated) so many of the problems currently present between Baltimore and Fredericksburg. Past critics of the idea didn't need to look too far up I-95 to find the New Jersey Turnpike as a good example of a road built for regional traffic that doesn't induce the kind of sprawl that a traditional beltway does.

Yes.  The original national highway plan of toll roads in the FDR days called for 3 E-W and 3 N-S tollways that would go near, but not through cities.  As we can see with some of the toll roads that were actually built from that era (NJTP, PA, OH) that skirt the outskirts of the towns that they service. 

So let's look at the E-W toll road complex that services Philly, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Toledo without actually going into any of those cities.  The bypass was built as the shortest point of travel, so through traffic has no incentive to leave to go through the big city.  THey effectively serve the traffic without slowdowns except for events of extreme traffic or accidents or road closures.  If there was a funding plan for this, this would have been the blueprint for the interstates nationally, the through highway is a bypass, and spur routes are designed to get into the city.

A national east coast road could potentially serve all the big cities without going through any of them.  The NJTP does this effectively for Philadelphia.  Washington desperately needs this as well.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on March 10, 2024, 07:53:28 PM
I was in Oakland yesterday and noticed that MD 219, the stub built for a potential Oakland bypass, is now signed at its intersection with US 219 and MD 135 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/pY4ZSQzEnantiLMP7), but only from the US 219 northbound direction. I didn't have time to check to see if it was signed on its north end, but from Google Maps Street View, it does not appear to be.

It appears the MD 219 signs went up at the same time as signs banning trucks over 40 feet. I really don't understand the rationale for actually signing this route because it doesn't connect to anything and just serves to confuse drivers.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alps on March 10, 2024, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on March 10, 2024, 07:53:28 PM
I was in Oakland yesterday and noticed that MD 219, the stub built for a potential Oakland bypass, is now signed at its intersection with US 219 and MD 135 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/pY4ZSQzEnantiLMP7), but only from the US 219 northbound direction. I didn't have time to check to see if it was signed on its north end, but from Google Maps Street View, it does not appear to be.

It appears the MD 219 signs went up at the same time as signs banning trucks over 40 feet. I really don't understand the rationale for actually signing this route because it doesn't connect to anything and just serves to confuse drivers.
Oh great, another route I have to clinch. (I don't have 825 east of there at least.)
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on March 11, 2024, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on March 10, 2024, 07:53:28 PM
I was in Oakland yesterday and noticed that MD 219, the stub built for a potential Oakland bypass, is now signed at its intersection with US 219 and MD 135 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/pY4ZSQzEnantiLMP7), but only from the US 219 northbound direction. I didn't have time to check to see if it was signed on its north end, but from Google Maps Street View, it does not appear to be.

It appears the MD 219 signs went up at the same time as signs banning trucks over 40 feet. I really don't understand the rationale for actually signing this route because it doesn't connect to anything and just serves to confuse drivers.

Very weird.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: TheOneKEA on March 11, 2024, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on March 11, 2024, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on March 10, 2024, 07:53:28 PM
I was in Oakland yesterday and noticed that MD 219, the stub built for a potential Oakland bypass, is now signed at its intersection with US 219 and MD 135 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/pY4ZSQzEnantiLMP7), but only from the US 219 northbound direction. I didn't have time to check to see if it was signed on its north end, but from Google Maps Street View, it does not appear to be.

It appears the MD 219 signs went up at the same time as signs banning trucks over 40 feet. I really don't understand the rationale for actually signing this route because it doesn't connect to anything and just serves to confuse drivers.

Very weird.

I have posted in the past about the absence of the Oakland Bypass and my belief that its continued absence is a serious chokepoint on a significant north-south route in Garrett County. I doubt this new sign is any indication of the revival of the Bypass and is merely a bookkeeping measure.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Bitmapped on March 12, 2024, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on March 11, 2024, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on March 11, 2024, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on March 10, 2024, 07:53:28 PM
I was in Oakland yesterday and noticed that MD 219, the stub built for a potential Oakland bypass, is now signed at its intersection with US 219 and MD 135 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/pY4ZSQzEnantiLMP7), but only from the US 219 northbound direction. I didn't have time to check to see if it was signed on its north end, but from Google Maps Street View, it does not appear to be.

It appears the MD 219 signs went up at the same time as signs banning trucks over 40 feet. I really don't understand the rationale for actually signing this route because it doesn't connect to anything and just serves to confuse drivers.

Very weird.

I have posted in the past about the absence of the Oakland Bypass and my belief that its continued absence is a serious chokepoint on a significant north-south route in Garrett County. I doubt this new sign is any indication of the revival of the Bypass and is merely a bookkeeping measure.

The route has been on the books as MD 219 all along, it's just not been signed before.

While I would like to see the Oakland bypass completed, I don't think it's that big of an issue as there's not a lot of through traffic on the US 219 corridor. Most of the traffic in Oakland is going to/from Oakland.

I'd rather see the money that would go to an Oakland bypass be used for access management and widening of US 219 around Deep Creek Lake, where traffic is north of 10,000 VPD. Upgrading MD 42 between Friendsville and US 219 would also be a higher priority for me. Even upgrading Sand Flat Road, which functions as sort of an outer bypass for Oakland, would probably be more useful.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on March 25, 2024, 03:06:06 PM
I was noticing that BWI Airport has a special shield for all routes encircling it.  It has the Airport Loop above the parts of MD 170, 175, and 162 shields where along the airport property.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on March 26, 2024, 06:54:07 PM
Welcome back, Alps and company.

Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on April 01, 2024, 11:23:00 AM
Was the Baltimore Travel Plaza at I-95 and Boston Street originally inside the current Best Western Plus Hotel?

The current TA Hotel looks smaller than I remembered it with the Best Western looking like the plaza I visited years ago.

I'm assuming they relocated to across the street and removed the original gas and convenience store to make the Best Western parking lot bigger.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: 1995hoo on April 01, 2024, 12:00:42 PM
The bridge collapse last week had me looking at various maps and satellite imagery around Baltimore and I found myself wondering about two things:

(1) Was there ever a plan to link the two pieces of I-83 without running a concurrency along I-695? Looking at a map, it appears almost as though the northern stub end of the "city portion" (sometimes called the Jones Falls Expressway or JFX) was intended to continue further north, and it's not hard to visualize such a road curving slightly to the east just north of the Five Farms Golf Course to meet up with what is now I-83 near Cockeysville at the Warren Road interchange.

(2) Is there another major city with quite as many ramp stubs or ghost ramps as the Baltimore area has? They're not all old, either. While many of us are familiar with all the stubs on I-95 for I-70, the stub end of I-70 itself, the stubs on I-95 for I-83, and the stubs on I-95 at the Moravia Road interchange for the unbuilt portion of the Windlass Freeway, there are various others there, including provisions in the median of I-695 related to that same portion of the Windlass and some nearby provisions for where the Windlass would have continued northeast to Chase, the wide section of median on I-695 south of there where the Patapsco Freeway part of the Baltimore Beltway had been planned to cross Back River to meet up with what is now the I-695 routing, and a number of much more recently constructed stubs at the northeastern I-695/I-95 interchange where flyover ramps connecting to the I-95 express toll lanes were planned but deferred.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on April 01, 2024, 05:27:34 PM
Through another mb's thread on the Key Bridge tragedy, I found this link re MD 4's Thomas Johnson Bridge...

https://www.smcm.edu/slackwater/about-us/TJbridge/Bridge.html#:~:text=Eleven%20years%20later%2C%20in%201988,north%20to%20the%20Benedict%20Bridge.

How was the TJB allowed to be built so flimsily?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on April 01, 2024, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 01, 2024, 05:27:34 PMThrough another mb's thread on the Key Bridge tragedy, I found this link re MD 4's Thomas Johnson Bridge...

https://www.smcm.edu/slackwater/about-us/TJbridge/Bridge.html#:~:text=Eleven%20years%20later%2C%20in%201988,north%20to%20the%20Benedict%20Bridge.

How was the TJB allowed to be built so flimsily?

What?  Sounds like it was just rehabbed when problems were found.  No biggie.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: froggie on April 02, 2024, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 01, 2024, 12:00:42 PM(1) Was there ever a plan to link the two pieces of I-83 without running a concurrency along I-695? Looking at a map, it appears almost as though the northern stub end of the "city portion" (sometimes called the Jones Falls Expressway or JFX) was intended to continue further north, and it's not hard to visualize such a road curving slightly to the east just north of the Five Farms Golf Course to meet up with what is now I-83 near Cockeysville at the Warren Road interchange.

Something along those lines was proposed as early as 1963, and looked at again in the 1970s.  According to the sites I checked, "intense local opposition" is what stopped it.  Instead, SHA widened I-83 from the Beltway to Exit 20 and added ramps at Exits 16 and 18.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadman65 on April 02, 2024, 02:22:43 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 01, 2024, 12:00:42 PMThe bridge collapse last week had me looking at various maps and satellite imagery around Baltimore and I found myself wondering about two things:

(1) Was there ever a plan to link the two pieces of I-83 without running a concurrency along I-695? Looking at a map, it appears almost as though the northern stub end of the "city portion" (sometimes called the Jones Falls Expressway or JFX) was intended to continue further north, and it's not hard to visualize such a road curving slightly to the east just north of the Five Farms Golf Course to meet up with what is now I-83 near Cockeysville at the Warren Road interchange.

(2) Is there another major city with quite as many ramp stubs or ghost ramps as the Baltimore area has? They're not all old, either. While many of us are familiar with all the stubs on I-95 for I-70, the stub end of I-70 itself, the stubs on I-95 for I-83, and the stubs on I-95 at the Moravia Road interchange for the unbuilt portion of the Windlass Freeway, there are various others there, including provisions in the median of I-695 related to that same portion of the Windlass and some nearby provisions for where the Windlass would have continued northeast to Chase, the wide section of median on I-695 south of there where the Patapsco Freeway part of the Baltimore Beltway had been planned to cross Back River to meet up with what is now the I-695 routing, and a number of much more recently constructed stubs at the northeastern I-695/I-95 interchange where flyover ramps connecting to the I-95 express toll lanes were planned but deferred.
:hmmm:

The first paragraph about the Jones Falls Extension is similar to I-49 at Joplin, MO.  The freeway continues as MO 249 and shifts east to meet I-49 west of Carthage only to terminate at an at grade diamond set up.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on April 02, 2024, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: froggie on April 02, 2024, 01:01:21 AM"intense local opposition"

Also collectively known nowadays as the freeway revolts.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on April 02, 2024, 03:19:24 PM
Looking at google maps, it appears there is a very easy ROW to accomodate the ICC being extended to at least the BW Parkway.  Has that ever been discussed and why has that not been done, it would seem to be an obvious addition.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on April 02, 2024, 03:52:45 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 02, 2024, 03:19:24 PMLooking at google maps, it appears there is a very easy ROW to accomodate the ICC being extended to at least the BW Parkway.  Has that ever been discussed and why has that not been done, it would seem to be an obvious addition.

My guess is because that segment of the Parkway belongs to the NPS?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 02, 2024, 03:57:52 PM
I doubt the MD 200 Intercounty Connector will ever be extended any further east. It was difficult enough trying to get the existing ICC constructed. Even if an extension to the BWP paralleled the power line corridor, there would still be homes and businesses that would need to be demolished, which would likely make such an extension a no-go.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: ixnay on April 02, 2024, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 01, 2024, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 01, 2024, 05:27:34 PMThrough another mb's thread on the Key Bridge tragedy, I found this link re MD 4's Thomas Johnson Bridge...

https://www.smcm.edu/slackwater/about-us/TJbridge/Bridge.html#:~:text=Eleven%20years%20later%2C%20in%201988,north%20to%20the%20Benedict%20Bridge.

How was the TJB allowed to be built so flimsily?

What?  Sounds like it was just rehabbed when problems were found.  No biggie.

That doesn't answer my question.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Rothman on April 02, 2024, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 02, 2024, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 01, 2024, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 01, 2024, 05:27:34 PMThrough another mb's thread on the Key Bridge tragedy, I found this link re MD 4's Thomas Johnson Bridge...

https://www.smcm.edu/slackwater/about-us/TJbridge/Bridge.html#:~:text=Eleven%20years%20later%2C%20in%201988,north%20to%20the%20Benedict%20Bridge.

How was the TJB allowed to be built so flimsily?

What?  Sounds like it was just rehabbed when problems were found.  No biggie.

That doesn't answer my question.

Your question was built upon a false premise.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: bluecountry on April 02, 2024, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 02, 2024, 03:57:52 PMI doubt the MD 200 Intercounty Connector will ever be extended any further east. It was difficult enough trying to get the existing ICC constructed. Even if an extension to the BWP paralleled the power line corridor, there would still be homes and businesses that would need to be demolished, which would likely make such an extension a no-go.
But it looks so easy, the ROW is there, a straight line, and really what good is the ICC without connecting to that corridor?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 03, 2024, 02:16:25 PM
Even in highway projects, looks can be deceiving. It looked easy to build Interstate 70 through Leakin Park. Just because building a road looks easy doesn't mean it is. There are many other factors that can make a project difficult and ultimately unfeasible, not to mention what the locals would have to say about it.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on April 03, 2024, 02:28:30 PM
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Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: Alex on April 03, 2024, 05:13:39 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 01, 2024, 12:00:42 PM(1) Was there ever a plan to link the two pieces of I-83 without running a concurrency along I-695? Looking at a map, it appears almost as though the northern stub end of the "city portion" (sometimes called the Jones Falls Expressway or JFX) was intended to continue further north, and it's not hard to visualize such a road curving slightly to the east just north of the Five Farms Golf Course to meet up with what is now I-83 near Cockeysville at the Warren Road interchange.

Steve Anderson has some of the background on that unbuilt connection toward the bottom of the Jones Falls Expressway (I-83) (http://www.dcroads.net/roads/jones-falls/) page.

Quote from: 1995hoo on April 01, 2024, 12:00:42 PM(2) Is there another major city with quite as many ramp stubs or ghost ramps as the Baltimore area has?

I would guess Hartford and the surrounding area in Connecticut.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on April 05, 2024, 09:58:05 PM
Thought the current law didn't permit this (and they were looking to change it) but I saw for the first time a second speed camera zone within a work zone that was set up in the last few weeks. On I-95 south near Bel Air, there is the camera near MD 152 but now there is a separate camera setup 4 miles down in the same work zone. They use a full set of signage and a speed display for that one as well.

It's also the same thing going northbound: a camera zone near White Marsh and another (new in the past three weeks) near MD 152.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: sprjus4 on April 09, 2024, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 02, 2024, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 02, 2024, 03:57:52 PMI doubt the MD 200 Intercounty Connector will ever be extended any further east. It was difficult enough trying to get the existing ICC constructed. Even if an extension to the BWP paralleled the power line corridor, there would still be homes and businesses that would need to be demolished, which would likely make such an extension a no-go.
But it looks so easy, the ROW is there, a straight line, and really what good is the ICC without connecting to that corridor?
What straight line... the power lines?
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on April 09, 2024, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 02, 2024, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 02, 2024, 03:57:52 PMI doubt the MD 200 Intercounty Connector will ever be extended any further east. It was difficult enough trying to get the existing ICC constructed. Even if an extension to the BWP paralleled the power line corridor, there would still be homes and businesses that would need to be demolished, which would likely make such an extension a no-go.
But it looks so easy, the ROW is there, a straight line, and really what good is the ICC without connecting to that corridor?

There's no ROW there except for the power lines. There is absolutely no way you can put a freeway there.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: epzik8 on April 13, 2024, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on April 05, 2024, 09:58:05 PMThought the current law didn't permit this (and they were looking to change it) but I saw for the first time a second speed camera zone within a work zone that was set up in the last few weeks. On I-95 south near Bel Air, there is the camera near MD 152 but now there is a separate camera setup 4 miles down in the same work zone. They use a full set of signage and a speed display for that one as well.

It's also the same thing going northbound: a camera zone near White Marsh and another (new in the past three weeks) near MD 152.

Thanks for the heads-up. The cameras are the main reason why driving through those areas are sometimes unnerving for me right now.
Title: Re: Maryland
Post by: MASTERNC on April 16, 2024, 03:32:18 PM
Hasn't been well publicized but the Governor did sign legislation that increases work zone speed camera fines.  Initially the fines will double to $80 but will change a year later. At that point, they will start at $60 and go up based on speed, up to $500.  They can still fine when there is no work, but the fines are doubled when workers are present (looks like the legislation requires flashing signage similar to PA to signal activity). 

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2024/04/16/increased-fines-public-education-campaign-focus-of-highway-safety-efforts/