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kphoger

Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2023, 09:09:04 AM
The detour will utilize Illinois 13 and Illinois 148 in both directions.

Also known as the "gravel truck weigh station detour"...
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Rothman

A very short period of time.
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kphoger

Quote from: Rothman on November 01, 2023, 11:17:23 AM
A very short period of time.

What is "while"?

I'll take 5-LETTER WORDS for $400, please, Alex.
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Rothman

Quote from: kphoger on November 01, 2023, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 01, 2023, 11:17:23 AM
A very short period of time.

What is "while"?

I'll take 5-LETTER WORDS for $400, please, Alex.
...or just the night of November 5th...
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ilpt4u

#2529
Quote from: kphoger on November 01, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2023, 09:09:04 AM
The detour will utilize Illinois 13 and Illinois 148 in both directions.
Also known as the "gravel truck weigh station detour"...
:D

I'd say Coal Truck over Gravel Truck, but the quarry in Vienna probably has more gravel, and the active mines that I know of are closer to rivers than the 57 corridor

I'm curious if IDOT will also replace the 148 bridge. These bridge replacements are part of the prep work to 6-lane the section between Marion and the 57/24 split


I-57 had an overnight closure earlier this year to demolish the old Westminster Dr bridge over the interstate; the new overpass is coming along nicely. It might even be done - I don't drive over to the that segment of 57 all that often

kphoger

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 01, 2023, 01:48:26 PM

Quote from: kphoger on November 01, 2023, 10:41:07 AM

Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2023, 09:09:04 AM
The detour will utilize Illinois 13 and Illinois 148 in both directions.

Also known as the "gravel truck weigh station detour"...

:D

I'd say Coal Truck over Gravel Truck, but the quarry in Vienna probably has more gravel, and the active mines that I know of are closer to rivers than the 57 corridor

When hitchhiking from Herrin to Paducah one time, I got a ride from a trucker who was parked on the shoulder of the on-ramp from Herrin Road to SB I-57.  He took Old Route 13 to 148 to avoid the weigh scales.  The reason I found it humorous is that he was delivering material for an active I-57 construction project—and he was doing such runs all day every day, shunning the weigh scales every time because he was overweight.
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Rick Powell

#2531
Quote from: kphoger on November 01, 2023, 03:02:01 PM
When hitchhiking from Herrin to Paducah one time, I got a ride from a trucker who was parked on the shoulder of the on-ramp from Herrin Road to SB I-57.  He took Old Route 13 to 148 to avoid the weigh scales.  The reason I found it humorous is that he was delivering material for an active I-57 construction project—and he was doing such runs all day every day, shunning the weigh scales every time because he was overweight.

The struggle is real. When I was working on the original construction of I-55 as a teenager, we were in the middle of a concrete bridge pour, and the state police brought out their portable scales and busted one of the concrete mixer trucks enroute to the job site and made them empty part of their load (I guess someone had to drive a dump truck from the mix plant to have some of the concrete dumped by the mixer so they could haul it off) and of course the whole mess was no good by that time, so they wound up dumping it all back at the plant. The rest of the drivers got the memo and came in light. 

edwaleni

Quote from: kphoger on November 01, 2023, 03:02:01 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 01, 2023, 01:48:26 PM

Quote from: kphoger on November 01, 2023, 10:41:07 AM

Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2023, 09:09:04 AM
The detour will utilize Illinois 13 and Illinois 148 in both directions.

Also known as the "gravel truck weigh station detour"...

:D

I'd say Coal Truck over Gravel Truck, but the quarry in Vienna probably has more gravel, and the active mines that I know of are closer to rivers than the 57 corridor

When hitchhiking from Herrin to Paducah one time, I got a ride from a trucker who was parked on the shoulder of the on-ramp from Herrin Road to SB I-57.  He took Old Route 13 to 148 to avoid the weigh scales.  The reason I found it humorous is that he was delivering material for an active I-57 construction project—and he was doing such runs all day every day, shunning the weigh scales every time because he was overweight.

That is probably what caused that road bridge to collapse in Williamson County a few years back. Road contractors were told use a specific county road to avoid pull overs to check for weight. A bridge on the road finally collapsed after a concrete truck drove over, he saw it go down in his mirrors.

kphoger

Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2023, 06:48:26 PM
That is probably what caused that road bridge to collapse in Williamson County a few years back. Road contractors were told use a specific county road to avoid pull overs to check for weight. A bridge on the road finally collapsed after a concrete truck drove over, he saw it go down in his mirrors.

What bridge was that?
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edwaleni

Quote from: kphoger on November 02, 2023, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2023, 06:48:26 PM
That is probably what caused that road bridge to collapse in Williamson County a few years back. Road contractors were told use a specific county road to avoid pull overs to check for weight. A bridge on the road finally collapsed after a concrete truck drove over, he saw it go down in his mirrors.

What bridge was that?

I actually posted on it because it showed up in a IDOT bid announcement. I thought it odd that IDOT was bidding out a country road. The bridge wasn't listed in Bridgehunter, so I used Google and found an article about the bridge collapsing.

It's here somewhere on AARoads and I will have to track it down.  I went through the Illinois Bid announcements thread, so it must be somewhere else. When I find it, I will post. I think I asked Rick Powell why IDOT would bid out a non-state road and he explained, but I could be wrong on that.

CtrlAltDel

Quote from: kphoger on October 30, 2023, 01:11:40 PM
(and I would hate it)

At the risk of looking into something best left alone, how come?
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kphoger

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 02, 2023, 06:41:09 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 30, 2023, 01:11:40 PM
(and I would hate it)

At the risk of looking into something best left alone, how come?

Basically, I don't trust the lookup capability of other states to get my address right.  Of course, this becomes less of a concern as more states enter into data-sharing agreements, but I've had a bad experience in the past.
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Rick Powell

Quote from: edwaleni on November 02, 2023, 02:59:37 PM

It's here somewhere on AARoads and I will have to track it down.  I went through the Illinois Bid announcements thread, so it must be somewhere else. When I find it, I will post. I think I asked Rick Powell why IDOT would bid out a non-state road and he explained, but I could be wrong on that.


Re: Illinois interesting bid annoucements
« Reply #450 on: March 26, 2023, 05:51:22 PM »

paulthemapguy

IL3 Spur? What the heck is this? Is this a new route in the State of Illinois?  Is this a signed route? 
https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?u=vespertine&units=miles&r=il.il003spresl
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Quote from: paulthemapguy on November 03, 2023, 07:01:46 PM
IL3 Spur? What the heck is this? Is this a new route in the State of Illinois?  Is this a signed route? 
https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?u=vespertine&units=miles&r=il.il003spresl

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ilpt4u

Quote from: paulthemapguy on November 03, 2023, 07:01:46 PM
IL3 Spur? What the heck is this? Is this a new route in the State of Illinois?  Is this a signed route? 
https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?u=vespertine&units=miles&r=il.il003spresl
Yes. It is signed. I have used the I-70 exit to get to the E St Louis casino. There are IL 3 Spur shields out there

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HJ3bh8YK3P5WQXxH7?g_st=ic

On another note, I'm pretty sure NB IL 3 is discontinuous in E St Louis now, as there is no exit at the 55/64/70 closest thing IL has to a Full Stack interchange for IL 3 to leave 55/64 N/E to St Clair Ave. Going SB on IL 3 there is an entrance ramp from St Clair Ave to 55/64 S/W

Route 3 traffic is directed to follow 64 WB to the St Clair Ave Exit 3, but the BGS is clearly shielded "To IL 3 North"

https://maps.app.goo.gl/krDJvkBdYR2nrC9G6?g_st=ic

CtrlAltDel

Quote from: kphoger on November 03, 2023, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 02, 2023, 06:41:09 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 30, 2023, 01:11:40 PM
(and I would hate it)

At the risk of looking into something best left alone, how come?

Basically, I don't trust the lookup capability of other states to get my address right.  Of course, this becomes less of a concern as more states enter into data-sharing agreements, but I've had a bad experience in the past.

Ah. So, a bill showed up at the wrong address, and then the nonpayment mechanisms snowballed?
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kphoger

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 04, 2023, 01:29:27 PM
Ah. So, a bill showed up at the wrong address, and then the nonpayment mechanisms snowballed?

Actually, no.  What happened is that I received surprise charges for toll violations that had, unbeknownst to me, occurred years earlier.  See below.

Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2020, 09:14:09 AM
Before using pay-by-plate on TX-130, I had a day pass account for the Camino Colombia Toll Road (TX-255).  Each year, I made a round trip to Mexico using the CCTR, with anywhere from one to three vehicles.  Ahead of time, I would call TxTag and update my account to have that year's correct vehicle and license plate info on file for our group.  Apparently, unbeknownst to me, some years I didn't do that correctly, which means an unknown car with Kansas plates drove through the CCTR gantry but TxTag didn't know where to send the bill.  Then, once the TX-130 pay-by-plate gantry was able to peg my license plate to my billing address, I received all those back-tolls on one statement to pay.
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CtrlAltDel

Quote from: kphoger on November 04, 2023, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 04, 2023, 01:29:27 PM
Ah. So, a bill showed up at the wrong address, and then the nonpayment mechanisms snowballed?

Actually, no.  What happened is that I received surprise charges for toll violations that had, unbeknownst to me, occurred years earlier.  See below.

Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2020, 09:14:09 AM
Before using pay-by-plate on TX-130, I had a day pass account for the Camino Colombia Toll Road (TX-255).  Each year, I made a round trip to Mexico using the CCTR, with anywhere from one to three vehicles.  Ahead of time, I would call TxTag and update my account to have that year's correct vehicle and license plate info on file for our group.  Apparently, unbeknownst to me, some years I didn't do that correctly, which means an unknown car with Kansas plates drove through the CCTR gantry but TxTag didn't know where to send the bill.  Then, once the TX-130 pay-by-plate gantry was able to peg my license plate to my billing address, I received all those back-tolls on one statement to pay.

I can see why that would be annoying.
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adt1982

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 03, 2023, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on November 03, 2023, 07:01:46 PM
IL3 Spur? What the heck is this? Is this a new route in the State of Illinois?  Is this a signed route? 
https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?u=vespertine&units=miles&r=il.il003spresl
Yes. It is signed. I have used the I-70 exit to get to the E St Louis casino. There are IL 3 Spur shields out there

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HJ3bh8YK3P5WQXxH7?g_st=ic

On another note, I'm pretty sure NB IL 3 is discontinuous in E St Louis now, as there is no exit at the 55/64/70 closest thing IL has to a Full Stack interchange for IL 3 to leave 55/64 N/E to St Clair Ave. Going SB on IL 3 there is an entrance ramp from St Clair Ave to 55/64 S/W

Route 3 traffic is directed to follow 64 WB to the St Clair Ave Exit 3, but the BGS is clearly shielded "To IL 3 North"

https://maps.app.goo.gl/krDJvkBdYR2nrC9G6?g_st=ic

You are correct about how IL 3 is signed.  I just drove this stretch today.  Once you hit I-64, even though the exit is signed for IL 3, the signs all say "To IL 3 North."  I feel like I read somewhere about a reroute in the plans for IL 3 in that area to remove it from the interstates and put it all back onto surface streets, but I'll have to look for it.

paulthemapguy

The new diverging diamond at I-80 and Houbolt Road in Joliet (exit 127) has been in its new DDI configuration for the past couple weeks.  The new permanent signals are now in use, and I sensed something was wrong.  It didn't take long for me to realize that the signals use yellow forward arrow indications.  I was pretty sure these were not allowed in the MUTCD, so I notified someone at IDOT.  The IDOT personnel member has responded saying they will change out the yellow indications on the signals.

The new bridge from that interchange south over the Des Plaines River has been open for about 5-6 months now.  With the advent of the new bridge, the entire road has been given one continuous naming designation of Houbolt Road.  The "Hollywood Road" designation from I-80 south to US6 has been removed; this now-defunct name has been "greened out" on the I-80 freeway signs.
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Quote from: paulthemapguy on November 17, 2023, 09:36:34 AM
The new bridge from that interchange south over the Des Plaines River has been open for about 5-6 months now.  With the advent of the new bridge, the entire road has been given one continuous naming designation of Houbolt Road.  The "Hollywood Road" designation from I-80 south to US6 has been removed; this now-defunct name has been "greened out" on the I-80 freeway signs.

Looks like this was the case when I came through back in September on I-80 EB after the Peoria Meet.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10219529618471589&set=a.10219529679833123)





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Quote from: paulthemapguy on November 17, 2023, 09:36:34 AM
The new bridge from that interchange south over the Des Plaines River has been open for about 5-6 months now.  With the advent of the new bridge, the entire road has been given one continuous naming designation of Houbolt Road.  The "Hollywood Road" designation from I-80 south to US6 has been removed; this now-defunct name has been "greened out" on the I-80 freeway signs.

The Hollywood Casino, for which the "Hollywood Road" name had been initiated years ago, is planning to relocate from its existing location along US 6 to the east side of I-55 north of I-80. The I-55/Seil Road/IL 59 interchange is currently under construction that would access the Rock Run Crossings development and the new casino.

https://www.wjol.com/hollywood-casino-joliet-announces-move-to-rock-run-crossings/

CapeCodder

What was the original plan with the Piggot and Tudor Ave exit in East St. Louis? Seems like it was meant to be a freeway.

The Ghostbuster

I believe it was to have been the western end of a US 460 freeway. As one can see, not much was built, and the US 460 designation was truncated to Frankfort, Kentucky in 1977. While the viaduct probably could be demolished, I doubt any redevelopment would occur, since there are a lot of vacant lots in the surrounding neighborhoods.



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