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« Reply #375 on: August 20, 2021, 12:44:17 AM »

Still begs the question, was the entirety of OR 39 up for relinquishment at some point in Klamath Falls?  It seems incredibly odd for the mile markers on OR 39 to start here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1815535,-121.6981229,3a,25.2y,194.34h,83.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1LMjv1QxHe6-31JfzxidEA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

It's hard to completely parse the HSHO document on ORH 50, but I'm guessing that it began at that junction with ORH 20 east of K Falls for most of its history, reflected by that Mile 1 marker.  Then when the bypass was added to it, it looks like no one changed those mileposts.

Just a guess, I could be completely wrong here.

Seems that early on OR 39 began just east of Klamath Falls at OR 66.  That certainly would line with the mile markers seen in-field today:

http://www.davidrumsey.com/ll/thumbnailView.html?startUrl=%2F%2Fwww.davidrumsey.com%2Fluna%2Fservlet%2Fas%2Fsearch%3Fos%3D0%26bs%3D10%26lc%3DRUMSEY~8~1%26q%3DOregon%2520road%26sort%3DPub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&r=0&xywh=5212%2C8857%2C943%2C1545

If I recall correct ORH 50 still is aligned through Malin even though OR 39 now jogs towards Tulelake and CA 139?
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #376 on: August 20, 2021, 05:48:10 AM »

Still begs the question, was the entirety of OR 39 up for relinquishment at some point in Klamath Falls?  It seems incredibly odd for the mile markers on OR 39 to start here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1815535,-121.6981229,3a,25.2y,194.34h,83.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1LMjv1QxHe6-31JfzxidEA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

It's hard to completely parse the HSHO document on ORH 50, but I'm guessing that it began at that junction with ORH 20 east of K Falls for most of its history, reflected by that Mile 1 marker.  Then when the bypass was added to it, it looks like no one changed those mileposts.

Just a guess, I could be completely wrong here.

Seems that early on OR 39 began just east of Klamath Falls at OR 66.  That certainly would line with the mile markers seen in-field today:

http://www.davidrumsey.com/ll/thumbnailView.html?startUrl=%2F%2Fwww.davidrumsey.com%2Fluna%2Fservlet%2Fas%2Fsearch%3Fos%3D0%26bs%3D10%26lc%3DRUMSEY~8~1%26q%3DOregon%2520road%26sort%3DPub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&r=0&xywh=5212%2C8857%2C943%2C1545

If I recall correct ORH 50 still is aligned through Malin even though OR 39 now jogs towards Tulelake and CA 139?
^Yes, that OR 39 divergence toward Tulelake/CA139/161 is ORH 426 (Hatfield Hwy).

Looking at that map, it does give OR 70 some context, and completely contextualizes OR 238.
Also, amusing to see an OR 209 and 232 in Crater Lake NP (and 232 going to US 97, when the road doesn't extend past Pinnacles Monument at all).
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #377 on: August 20, 2021, 07:55:25 AM »

Still begs the question, was the entirety of OR 39 up for relinquishment at some point in Klamath Falls?  It seems incredibly odd for the mile markers on OR 39 to start here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1815535,-121.6981229,3a,25.2y,194.34h,83.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1LMjv1QxHe6-31JfzxidEA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

It's hard to completely parse the HSHO document on ORH 50, but I'm guessing that it began at that junction with ORH 20 east of K Falls for most of its history, reflected by that Mile 1 marker.  Then when the bypass was added to it, it looks like no one changed those mileposts.

Just a guess, I could be completely wrong here.

Seems that early on OR 39 began just east of Klamath Falls at OR 66.  That certainly would line with the mile markers seen in-field today:

http://www.davidrumsey.com/ll/thumbnailView.html?startUrl=%2F%2Fwww.davidrumsey.com%2Fluna%2Fservlet%2Fas%2Fsearch%3Fos%3D0%26bs%3D10%26lc%3DRUMSEY~8~1%26q%3DOregon%2520road%26sort%3DPub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&r=0&xywh=5212%2C8857%2C943%2C1545

If I recall correct ORH 50 still is aligned through Malin even though OR 39 now jogs towards Tulelake and CA 139?
^Yes, that OR 39 divergence toward Tulelake/CA139/161 is ORH 426 (Hatfield Hwy).

Looking at that map, it does give OR 70 some context, and completely contextualizes OR 238.
Also, amusing to see an OR 209 and 232 in Crater Lake NP (and 232 going to US 97, when the road doesn't extend past Pinnacles Monument at all).

Regarding the Pinnacles Monument isn’t there an abandoned east entrance station to Crater National Park out there?  I could swear I saw someone recently post about that on a social media platform.  What’s interesting about OR 238 I found when I was researching US 199 is that it incorporated a small piece of what had been the old Gasquet Toll Road.

CA 139 intrigued me since that became a state highway after the Forest Service built a modernized road through Modoc National Forest and transferred to the DOH.  CA 139 obviously is taking its number from OR 39 and couldn’t fully match it due to CA 39 already existing.  I always kind of found it curious OR 39 didn’t stay aligned through Malin and a new designation of OR 139 was assigned to ORH 426. 
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #378 on: August 20, 2021, 11:47:00 PM »

Regarding the Pinnacles Monument isn’t there an abandoned east entrance station to Crater National Park out there?  I could swear I saw someone recently post about that on a social media platform.

Yes, there is. 


It's a short walk from the Pinnacles parking lot.  I believe you can continue walking down the old road several miles until it becomes a drivable road again.  I'm told the Crater Lake National Park sign that hung from it lasted quite awhile, but it was gone by the first time I'd visited it.

For fun, here's what that old OR 232/US 97 junction looks like now:


The road ahead is the original OR 232.  Here's a close-up of the signage:


What's interesting is that when US 97 was re-routed further east, the OR 232 designation was removed from the Pinnacles Hwy straight ahead, and transferred onto 97's old alignment (the cross road in the pic) when that became the Sun Pass Highway.  It lasted on that new alignment at least into the 1960's.
 
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CA 139 intrigued me since that became a state highway after the Forest Service built a modernized road through Modoc National Forest and transferred to the DOH.  CA 139 obviously is taking its number from OR 39 and couldn’t fully match it due to CA 39 already existing.  I always kind of found it curious OR 39 didn’t stay aligned through Malin and a new designation of OR 139 was assigned to ORH 426.

That would've made a lot of sense.  But ODOT likely only thought to keep OR 39 on what ends up being the main through route.

That remaining part of ORH 50 wasn't given a route designation back in 2002-3, one of only a few of the previously-unsigned highways in Oregon that weren't.
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« Reply #379 on: August 20, 2021, 11:54:26 PM »

^^^

That’s pretty neat to see.  What I find interesting is that former OR 232 is fairly easy to track even on satellite images through the tree line.  When I saw that the first time it reminded me of the abandoned pavement from the Old Big Oak Flat Road in Yosemite National Park.  I guess the next time we are up at Crater Lake we’ll have hit the Pinnacles Trailhead.
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #380 on: August 21, 2021, 12:52:31 AM »

Still begs the question, was the entirety of OR 39 up for relinquishment at some point in Klamath Falls?  It seems incredibly odd for the mile markers on OR 39 to start here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1815535,-121.6981229,3a,25.2y,194.34h,83.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1LMjv1QxHe6-31JfzxidEA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

It's hard to completely parse the HSHO document on ORH 50, but I'm guessing that it began at that junction with ORH 20 east of K Falls for most of its history, reflected by that Mile 1 marker.  Then when the bypass was added to it, it looks like no one changed those mileposts.

Just a guess, I could be completely wrong here.

Given how many weird things ODOT does with mileposts (increasing north to south in most cases, mileposts follow the archaic internal numbering instead of posted routes), nothing would really surprise me. Looking at ODOT's GIS data, it would seem that xonhulu's theory is correct since it's showing negative mileposts on the bypass, of all things.

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Re: Oregon
« Reply #381 on: August 22, 2021, 12:02:40 AM »

Max, did you happen to see if this gem was still posted downtown?

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« Reply #382 on: August 22, 2021, 12:05:05 AM »

Max, did you happen to see if this gem was still posted downtown?



Didn’t see it on this last go around.  Doug (another Gribblenation writer) doesn’t appear to have seen it either when he did the Winnemucca to the Sea Highway in it’s entirety.
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #383 on: August 22, 2021, 12:13:50 AM »

The photo was taken in 2007, so it's probably gone now.
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« Reply #384 on: August 23, 2021, 02:12:32 AM »

The photo was taken in 2007, so it's probably gone now.

Actually it was still up when I was there for work last October. Meant to post it in the US/State Route mixup thread as a double feature but forgot.

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Re: Oregon
« Reply #385 on: August 24, 2021, 12:27:49 AM »

Why is Exit 2 on I-84 signed as 43rd Street when in fact the ramp connects to Halsey Street?
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #386 on: August 24, 2021, 02:11:32 AM »

The ramp itself is NE 43rd Ave.
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« Reply #387 on: August 24, 2021, 11:46:44 AM »

The ramp itself is NE 43rd Ave.
  Only for a tenth of a mile.  It connects to Halsey Street as some big developer severed it from the rest of 43rd Avenue with high rises.  Ideally it should really be signed as Halsey Street or Hollywood District.
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« Reply #388 on: August 26, 2021, 05:46:17 AM »

The 58th Ave exit (Exit 3) on I-84 Eastbound is the same exact thing.  The ramp is NE 58th Ave, and it immediately terminates at NE Glisan St.  It's an I-84 thing, I guess.

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« Reply #389 on: August 28, 2021, 12:17:43 AM »

Also I-5 Southbound considers OR 58 to be the fifth exit for Eugene and Springfield, but the road is past those two cities. Another Oregon oddity if not a miscount of actual exits.

A sign says north of OR 569 that the next 5 exits serve those two cities. The Willamette Highway is number 5.
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« Reply #390 on: August 28, 2021, 01:47:52 AM »

Also I-5 Southbound considers OR 58 to be the fifth exit for Eugene and Springfield, but the road is past those two cities. Another Oregon oddity if not a miscount of actual exits.

A sign says north of OR 569 that the next 5 exits serve those two cities. The Willamette Highway is number 5.

I think they're counting the separate off-ramps for west I-105/OR 126 and east OR 126 as two exits. That would make 5 exits: OR 569, I-105, OR 126 east, Glenwood Blvd, and 30th Ave.

Northbound I-5 has a sign stating "Eugene/Springfield Next 7 Exits," which is after both the OR 58 and OR 99/Goshen exits so it's not counting those.  If you again count multiple off-ramps as separate exits, that sign was true at one time, since northbound can count the OR 99 half-interchange.  However, it's been wrong since the flyover to west OR 569 was constructed, replacing the 2 off-ramps in the older cloverleaf interchange there with one single off-ramp for both east & west OR 569.
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« Reply #391 on: September 19, 2021, 12:47:34 AM »

I’m not sure how well no known the 2020 document titled “History of State Highways in Oregon”  is but I’m finding it incredibly useful with some stuff I’m writing currently:

https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/ETA/Documents_Geometronics/ROW-Eng_State-Highway-History.pdf

Example; I had no idea Rim Drive in Crater Lake National Park was once designated as part of Oregon Highway #24 in 1917. 
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #392 on: September 20, 2021, 05:55:32 PM »

Does anybody here see this truck on the left?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seeking_I-5_bridge_deck_defects_(50095635137).jpg
I can't tell of that's a triple trailer, or a straight truck towing two trailers.


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« Reply #393 on: September 20, 2021, 06:00:40 PM »

Does anybody here see this truck on the left?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seeking_I-5_bridge_deck_defects_(50095635137).jpg
I can't tell of that's a triple trailer, or a straight truck towing two trailers.

It's a triple. The LONG LOAD banner is the (legally required for triples in OR) giveaway:
https://secure.sos.state.or.us/oard/viewSingleRule.action?ruleVrsnRsn=184690
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« Reply #394 on: September 20, 2021, 10:47:11 PM »

I’m not sure how well no known the 2020 document titled “History of State Highways in Oregon”  is but I’m finding it incredibly useful with some stuff I’m writing currently:

https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/ETA/Documents_Geometronics/ROW-Eng_State-Highway-History.pdf

Example; I had no idea Rim Drive in Crater Lake National Park was once designated as part of Oregon Highway #24 in 1917.

The HSHO was first published online in 2007, according to its own publication history.  I've known about it since 2009, and I'm pretty sure I was steered to it by another forum user here.

I've also found it very useful over the years.  A lot of great information in there.
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Re: Oregon
« Reply #395 on: September 21, 2021, 03:47:38 AM »

Does anybody here see this truck on the left?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seeking_I-5_bridge_deck_defects_(50095635137).jpg
I can't tell of that's a triple trailer, or a straight truck towing two trailers.
Definitely a triple. The two trailer breaks are easy to make out, but it is a good foreshortening discernment exercise. Also, as Kniwt notes, the Long Load banner.
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« Reply #396 on: September 28, 2021, 02:24:22 AM »

An interesting sign for I-205 I saw photographed in an old copy of The Oregonian in 1981: it appears to show a yellow "OPEN ONLY ..." sticker above Powell Blvd, where I-205 terminated for about 2 years before the Glenn Jackson Bridge opened.

Perhaps it is "OPEN ONLY TO"?

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« Reply #397 on: September 28, 2021, 02:25:31 PM »

Possibly "OPEN ONLY TO"?
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« Reply #398 on: October 10, 2021, 10:59:57 PM »

ODOT put up a couple of shields on the OR 154 mainline sometime in the last month:





So far, these are the only shields installed on the highway itself; as I posted previously, there's also a JCT 154 shield on a side road. 
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« Reply #399 on: October 12, 2021, 08:20:06 PM »

The Earl Blumenauer Bridge across I-84 in Portland is almost complete. The main span is now in place and the bridge will open next summer.

https://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/2021/10/its-an-infrastructure-party-blumenauer-portland-biking-enthusiasts-gather-for-installation-of-new-car-free-bridge.html
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