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Started by rmsandw, January 02, 2013, 09:16:23 PM

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mukade

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Assuming all control cities should be in another metro area (unlike Aurora which is in Chicagoland), the following table shows what could and what are used if they used actual cities. I combined South Bend and Elkhart metro areas because they are adjacent. As for the Quad Cities, Davenport, not Moline, is far and away the largest city.


















RankCityPopulationMilesUsed ByRoute(s)
13Detroit4,285,832238INDOTI-94 E
19St. Louis2,817,355259IDOTI-55 S
35Indianapolis1,778,568263INDOTI-65 S
39Milwaukee1,562,21686IDOT, ISTHAI-94 N
41Memphis1,325,605481IDOTI-57 S
82Toledo650,266212INDOT, IDOTI-80 E
89Madison576,467124(not used)I-90 W
150*South Bend-Elkhart517,62974(not used)I-80/I-90 E
134Davenport-Moline381,342148IDOTI-80 W
145Rockford348,36077ISTHA, IDOTI-90 W
192Champaign-Urbana232,336123(not used)I-57 S
204Springfield211,547177(not used)I-55 S
210Lafayette203,608108(not used)I-65 S
324Kankakee113,69852(not used)I-57 S
- Dekalb68,54555ISTHAI-88 W


Revive 755

^ Two comments/corrections:

* Rockford is used by both IDOT and ISTHA; IDOT uses Rockford for I-290, at least once on I-355, and for I-90 at the I-290/IL 53 interchange.

* For some reason Rock Island-Moline gets used outside of Chicagoland instead of Davenport-Moline.

mukade

I agree on the 3dis, but was only including the intercity routes.

What you said jogged my memory on I-90 - the Kennedy has signs for Rockford so I updated the table.

Moline is used on I-80 I believe, but I added Davenport because that is the true major city in the Quad Cities.

I do wonder why South Bend is not a control city on ITR. It is certainly big enough.

Brandon

^^^ Kankakee is used as a secondary control at the exits south of I-80 on I-57.

Moline-Rock Island gets used on I-80 from Joliet west as a secondary control for the same reason East St Louis is used on I-55 from Springfield south - it's within the state.

Madison doesn't get used because Rockford comes first.  Madison is used from Rockford north.

Champaign-Urbana isn't used because Kankakee comes first as a secondary control.

No point to using Springfield as a secondary control when Joliet and Bloomington come before it.
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thenetwork

Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Does the Ohio Turnpike actually enter Toledo, or is it another case of I-70 in Dayton and I-79 in Pittsburgh?

It's about as close to a YES as you can get  https://maps.google.com/maps?q=google+map+toledo+ohio&ll=41.591888,-83.648615&spn=0.036975,0.104628&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Toledo,+Lucas,+Ohio&gl=us&t=m&z=14.

Technically, The border of Toledo runs along the median of the Turnpike roughly from I-475/US-23 on the western edge to the Maumee River on the east.  So in answer to your question, EASTBOUND I-80/90 never enters Toledo, but the WESTBOUND I-80/90 lanes do!!! 

Brandon

#55
Quote from: thenetwork on February 01, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Does the Ohio Turnpike actually enter Toledo, or is it another case of I-70 in Dayton and I-79 in Pittsburgh?

It's about as close to a YES as you can get  https://maps.google.com/maps?q=google+map+toledo+ohio&ll=41.591888,-83.648615&spn=0.036975,0.104628&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Toledo,+Lucas,+Ohio&gl=us&t=m&z=14.

Technically, The border of Toledo runs along the median of the Turnpike roughly from I-475/US-23 on the western edge to the Maumee River on the east.  So in answer to your question, EASTBOUND I-80/90 never enters Toledo, but the WESTBOUND I-80/90 lanes do!!! 

That's not quite accurate.  Yet again, Google Maps gets it wrong.  Technically, from the City of Toledo zoning maps, the Turnpike doe not enter the City of Toledo at all.  The municipal corporate limits are along the north Turnpike ROW.

From west to east:

http://ci.toledo.oh.us/Portals/0/Planning%20Docs/zoning%20maps/Toledo-232.pdf
http://ci.toledo.oh.us/Portals/0/Planning%20Docs/zoning%20maps/Toledo-148.pdf
http://ci.toledo.oh.us/Portals/0/Planning%20Docs/zoning%20maps/Toledo-142.pdf
http://ci.toledo.oh.us/Portals/0/Planning%20Docs/zoning%20maps/Toledo-110.pdf
http://ci.toledo.oh.us/Portals/0/Planning%20Docs/zoning%20maps/Toledo-43.pdf

It's like the question, "Does I-80 fully enter Kendall County, Illinois?"  In that case, according to the GIS data, that answer is yes:
http://gis.co.kendall.il.us/pbzviewer/ - use the 2003 or 2010 aerials.  Google Maps, as nice as the GSV is, is not anywhere as near as accurate as data actually coming from a governmental taxing body.
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hobsini2

#56
Quote from: mukade on January 31, 2013, 08:55:12 PM
Assuming all control cities should be in another metro area (unlike Aurora which is in Chicagoland), the following table shows what could and what are used if they used actual cities. I combined South Bend and Elkhart metro areas because they are adjacent. As for the Quad Cities, Davenport, not Moline, is far and away the largest city.


















RankCityPopulationMilesUsed ByRoute(s)
13Detroit4,285,832238INDOTI-94 E
19St. Louis2,817,355259IDOTI-55 S
35Indianapolis1,778,568263INDOTI-65 S
39Milwaukee1,562,21686IDOT, ISTHAI-94 N
41Memphis1,325,605481IDOTI-57 S
82Toledo650,266212INDOT, IDOTI-80 E
89Madison576,467124(not used)I-90 W
150*South Bend-Elkhart517,62974(not used)I-80/I-90 E
134Davenport-Moline381,342148IDOTI-80 W
145Rockford348,36077ISTHA, IDOTI-90 W
192Champaign-Urbana232,336123(not used)I-57 S
204Springfield211,547177(not used)I-55 S
210Lafayette203,608108(not used)I-65 S
324Kankakee113,69852(not used)I-57 S
- Dekalb68,54555ISTHAI-88 W

One thing that is not quite correct about the signage on I-90 West. Right at the I-294 North Jct (not indicated at the I-294 South/I-190 Ohare one though), Madison is also used as a control city with Rockford.  The older signs had this too before the change to the new Clearviews.



Also, I believe the reason why Aurora is used as a control city on 88 west is because while it may be in the Chicagoland area, it is far enough away from the city that it is an important destination city (2nd largest city in the state, Naperville being 3rd) for people who live in the West Suburbs. 290 is really only a due west route until it meets with 88 and 294. From there it jumps northwest, which is why Rockford is used on 290 at that junction. I think of it much the same way that NYC signs its control cities with major bridge and tunnel crossings like the Holland Tunnel and George Washington Bridge.
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Aurora may also be used because until 1974 the Tollway ended there and I think the state control trend began there ,maybe by accident. I think the Tollway just stuck Iowa on after they opened the extension. Dixon maybe be because its the last toll booth and Sterling may be used because its the last IDOT exit.....some agency territory marking

mukade

Yes, the table of cities exercise is really to show the subjectivity/inconsistency/quirkiness of the control cities when they are used. At least with the state names, they are something you can't dispute. I still don't really care for them, however.

If you get into the IDOT "secondary" control cities, it becomes a bigger mess.

Stratuscaster

Quote from: hobsini2 on February 01, 2013, 07:27:47 PM
One thing that is not quite correct about the signage on I-90 West. Right at the I-294 North Jct (not indicated at the I-294 South/I-190 Ohare one though), Madison is also used as a control city with Rockford.  The older signs had this too before the change to the new Clearviews.



Also, I believe the reason why Aurora is used as a control city on 88 west is because while it may be in the Chicagoland area, it is far enough away from the city that it is an important destination city (2nd largest city in the state, Naperville being 3rd) for people who live in the West Suburbs. 290 is really only a due west route until it meets with 88 and 294. From there it jumps northwest, which is why Rockford is used on 290 at that junction. I think of it much the same way that NYC signs its control cities with major bridge and tunnel crossings like the Holland Tunnel and George Washington Bridge.
I've not been on I-90 around O'Hare in quite some time, but I honestly cannot recall ever seeing "Madison" on that sign...ever. I want to say I recall "Elgin - Rockford" - but cannot say for sure.

I always figured I-290 westbound was signed for Rockford because it connects with it's parent that is also signed for Rockford - and perhaps because I-290 was I-90 in a previous life.

I'll agree that Aurora for I-88 is a left-over from the days of Toll-US-30 and when it ended there.

Brandon

Quote from: Stratuscaster on February 01, 2013, 11:00:05 PM
I'll agree that Aurora for I-88 is a left-over from the days of Toll-US-30 and when it ended there.

However, Aurora makes a lot of sense currently as it is Illinois's second largest city (it's about to become the second one to break 200,000).
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mrsman

Quote from: hobsini2 on February 01, 2013, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on January 31, 2013, 08:55:12 PM
Assuming all control cities should be in another metro area (unlike Aurora which is in Chicagoland), the following table shows what could and what are used if they used actual cities. I combined South Bend and Elkhart metro areas because they are adjacent. As for the Quad Cities, Davenport, not Moline, is far and away the largest city.


















RankCityPopulationMilesUsed ByRoute(s)
13Detroit4,285,832238INDOTI-94 E
19St. Louis2,817,355259IDOTI-55 S
35Indianapolis1,778,568263INDOTI-65 S
39Milwaukee1,562,21686IDOT, ISTHAI-94 N
41Memphis1,325,605481IDOTI-57 S
82Toledo650,266212INDOT, IDOTI-80 E
89Madison576,467124(not used)I-90 W
150*South Bend-Elkhart517,62974(not used)I-80/I-90 E
134Davenport-Moline381,342148IDOTI-80 W
145Rockford348,36077ISTHA, IDOTI-90 W
192Champaign-Urbana232,336123(not used)I-57 S
204Springfield211,547177(not used)I-55 S
210Lafayette203,608108(not used)I-65 S
324Kankakee113,69852(not used)I-57 S
- Dekalb68,54555ISTHAI-88 W

One thing that is not quite correct about the signage on I-90 West. Right at the I-294 North Jct (not indicated at the I-294 South/I-190 Ohare one though), Madison is also used as a control city with Rockford.  The older signs had this too before the change to the new Clearviews.



Also, I believe the reason why Aurora is used as a control city on 88 west is because while it may be in the Chicagoland area, it is far enough away from the city that it is an important destination city (2nd largest city in the state, Naperville being 3rd) for people who live in the West Suburbs. 290 is really only a due west route until it meets with 88 and 294. From there it jumps northwest, which is why Rockford is used on 290 at that junction. I think of it much the same way that NYC signs its control cities with major bridge and tunnel crossings like the Holland Tunnel and George Washington Bridge.

The above chart is really useful.  Hopefully it can be reproduced with more current population figures.

As much of the thread indicates, there are definitely some improvements that can be made to some of the Chicagoland control cities, especially to allow for better consistency.

While I do not like control states, I don't think I'm going to win an argument about replacing Indiana with something else.  I personally prefer a South Bend / Detroit to maintain a consistency about using cities and not states, bridges, or other possible controls that are not cities.  But I can sense that Indiana will not be removed anytime soon, so it remains.

There does seem to be more and more of the Wisconsin signs on 294 being replaced with Milwaukee and this I agree with.  FWIW, if Wisconsin is meant as a good shorthand on the 90/94 to denote both Madison and Milwaukee (and it is not to be used north of the Edens split), it does not make sense to use Wisconsin on 294 at all, since 294 only heads toward Milwaukee.  You have to turn off 294 to 90 to reach Rockford and Madison. 

Rockford would also seem like a winning control for 355 NB and for 290 WB, west of the 88 split.

Joliet works for the 355 SB control and as a secondary control for 80, in appropriate places.

The main problem with 80's WB control is the lack of consistency.  It is signed as Des Moines from the IN toll road, but in much of the Chicago area it is replaced simply with Iowa and then further west it fluctuates between Des Moines, Davenport, or Moline-Rock Island.  The controls around the Quad Cities are very weird, but it would seem to me that a consistent control of Davenport used in the Chicago area would be very helpful.

88 seems to have a similar problem.  I would use Aurora and then Moline-Rock Island westbound.  Eastbound, I would use Chicago with an appropriate warning in the Quad Cities area that 88 leads to a toll road and that 80 also leads to Chicago.

Rothman

Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

peterj920

Quote from: Stratuscaster on February 01, 2013, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 01, 2013, 07:27:47 PM
One thing that is not quite correct about the signage on I-90 West. Right at the I-294 North Jct (not indicated at the I-294 South/I-190 Ohare one though), Madison is also used as a control city with Rockford.  The older signs had this too before the change to the new Clearviews.



Also, I believe the reason why Aurora is used as a control city on 88 west is because while it may be in the Chicagoland area, it is far enough away from the city that it is an important destination city (2nd largest city in the state, Naperville being 3rd) for people who live in the West Suburbs. 290 is really only a due west route until it meets with 88 and 294. From there it jumps northwest, which is why Rockford is used on 290 at that junction. I think of it much the same way that NYC signs its control cities with major bridge and tunnel crossings like the Holland Tunnel and George Washington Bridge.
I've not been on I-90 around O'Hare in quite some time, but I honestly cannot recall ever seeing "Madison" on that sign...ever. I want to say I recall "Elgin - Rockford" - but cannot say for sure.

I always figured I-290 westbound was signed for Rockford because it connects with it's parent that is also signed for Rockford - and perhaps because I-290 was I-90 in a previous life.

I'll agree that Aurora for I-88 is a left-over from the days of Toll-US-30 and when it ended there.

That sign is long gone and Illinois has stopped using clearview. Notice how there's no exit tabs. The new sign has just Rockford and I-294 is Exit 77.

mukade

#64
Quote from: mrsman on November 12, 2023, 07:18:15 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 01, 2013, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on January 31, 2013, 08:55:12 PM
Assuming all control cities should be in another metro area (unlike Aurora which is in Chicagoland), the following table shows what could and what are used if they used actual cities. I combined South Bend and Elkhart metro areas because they are adjacent. As for the Quad Cities, Davenport, not Moline, is far and away the largest city.


















RankCityPopulationMilesUsed ByRoute(s)
13Detroit4,285,832238INDOTI-94 E
19St. Louis2,817,355259IDOTI-55 S
35Indianapolis1,778,568263INDOTI-65 S
39Milwaukee1,562,21686IDOT, ISTHAI-94 N
41Memphis1,325,605481IDOTI-57 S
82Toledo650,266212INDOT, IDOTI-80 E
89Madison576,467124(not used)I-90 W
150*South Bend-Elkhart517,62974(not used)I-80/I-90 E
134Davenport-Moline381,342148IDOTI-80 W
145Rockford348,36077ISTHA, IDOTI-90 W
192Champaign-Urbana232,336123(not used)I-57 S
204Springfield211,547177(not used)I-55 S
210Lafayette203,608108(not used)I-65 S
324Kankakee113,69852(not used)I-57 S
- Dekalb68,54555ISTHAI-88 W

One thing that is not quite correct about the signage on I-90 West. Right at the I-294 North Jct (not indicated at the I-294 South/I-190 Ohare one though), Madison is also used as a control city with Rockford.  The older signs had this too before the change to the new Clearviews.



Also, I believe the reason why Aurora is used as a control city on 88 west is because while it may be in the Chicagoland area, it is far enough away from the city that it is an important destination city (2nd largest city in the state, Naperville being 3rd) for people who live in the West Suburbs. 290 is really only a due west route until it meets with 88 and 294. From there it jumps northwest, which is why Rockford is used on 290 at that junction. I think of it much the same way that NYC signs its control cities with major bridge and tunnel crossings like the Holland Tunnel and George Washington Bridge.

The above chart is really useful.  Hopefully it can be reproduced with more current population figures.





















2013 RankCity2013 PopulationMilesUsed ByRoute(s)2022 Rank2022 Population
13Detroit4,285,832238INDOTI-94 E144,345,761
19St. Louis2,817,355259IDOTI-55 S212,801,319
35Indianapolis1,778,568263INDOTI-65 S342,141,779
39Milwaukee1,562,21686IDOT, ISTHAI-94 N401,559,792
41Memphis1,325,605481IDOTI-57 S441,332,305
82Toledo650,266212INDOT, IDOTI-80 E96640,384
89Madison576,467124(not used)I-90 W87687,077
150*South Bend-Elkhart517,62974(not used)I-80/I-90 E164*530,527
134Davenport-Moline381,342148IDOTI-80 W147379,374
145Rockford348,36077ISTHA, IDOTI-90 W160335,342
Kalamazoo147(not used)I-94 E190261,173
192Champaign-Urbana232,336123(not used)I-57 S200223,265
210Lafayette203,608108(not used)I-65 S209226,452
204Springfield211,547177(not used)I-55 S225206,655
324Kankakee113,69852(not used)I-57 S348106,074
- Dekalb68,54555ISTHAI-88 W68,545


* = Rank for South Bend/Mishawaka only

Comments:
- Sluggish growth overall
- Added Kalamazoo
- Lafayette passed Springfield in population


Revive 755


TheCatalyst31

The Rockford-Madison sign mentioned upthread was replaced by a Rockford sign at some point in the last decade, so Madison is back to being unused unless I missed a sign somewhere. It leapfrogged Toledo in population though.

hobsini2

Quote from: Revive 755 on December 06, 2023, 10:55:51 PM
Bloomington is used as far north as Route 53 in Bolingbrook. Has been for as long as I have lived here on and off (43 years minus 2 years in St Paul).
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peterj920

Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on December 07, 2023, 10:10:23 PM
The Rockford-Madison sign mentioned upthread was replaced by a Rockford sign at some point in the last decade, so Madison is back to being unused unless I missed a sign somewhere. It leapfrogged Toledo in population though.

New signs from Rockford north to Wisconsin use Madison as a control city instead of Wisconsin. Here's an example at the Business US 20 ramp.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EQ7WmicxZK8q5Qxg8?g_st=ic

TheCatalyst31

Quote from: peterj920 on December 09, 2023, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on December 07, 2023, 10:10:23 PM
The Rockford-Madison sign mentioned upthread was replaced by a Rockford sign at some point in the last decade, so Madison is back to being unused unless I missed a sign somewhere. It leapfrogged Toledo in population though.

New signs from Rockford north to Wisconsin use Madison as a control city instead of Wisconsin. Here's an example at the Business US 20 ramp.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EQ7WmicxZK8q5Qxg8?g_st=ic

Rockford isn't part of the Chicago metro area.

Henry

Quote from: amh424 on January 06, 2013, 08:46:40 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 06, 2013, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 06, 2013, 04:06:14 PM
A question: What do the people of Chicago call the rest of Illinois? "Downstate?" Or is there another preferred term?

"Downstate" is typically used.  Now, what constitutes "Downstate" is subjective.  Ask a Northsider, and they think anything south of Madison is "Downstate".  Ask a Southlander (Tinley, Harvey, etc), and they'll say the line is closer to Kankakee.  Now, bizarrely, Rockford and Galena are considered "Downstate" even though they're north of Chicago.

Many Chicagoans, including myself, feel that anything south of I-80 is "downstate".  And I'm from the north burbs.

I think of places like Rockford, DeKalb, etc. as simply Northern Illinois.
I tend to agree with the assessment that Downstate includes everything south of I-80. However, if the "literal" sense is to be used, then the real divider would be the I-74 and/or I-72 corridors. So from Springfield, Decatur and Champaign and points south, that is definitely Downstate.
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Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: amh424 on January 06, 2013, 08:46:40 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 06, 2013, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 06, 2013, 04:06:14 PM
A question: What do the people of Chicago call the rest of Illinois? "Downstate?" Or is there another preferred term?

"Downstate" is typically used.  Now, what constitutes "Downstate" is subjective.  Ask a Northsider, and they think anything south of Madison is "Downstate".  Ask a Southlander (Tinley, Harvey, etc), and they'll say the line is closer to Kankakee.  Now, bizarrely, Rockford and Galena are considered "Downstate" even though they're north of Chicago.

Many Chicagoans, including myself, feel that anything south of I-80 is "downstate".  And I'm from the north burbs.

I think of places like Rockford, DeKalb, etc. as simply Northern Illinois.
I tend to agree with the assessment that Downstate includes everything south of I-80. However, if the "literal" sense is to be used, then the real divider would be the I-74 and/or I-72 corridors. So from Springfield, Decatur and Champaign and points south, that is definitely Downstate.
Growing up in the Southwest Burbs and now living in the Carbondale area, my definition of Southern IL has shifted from south of I-80 to south of somewhere between US 50 and I-64 - probably closer to 50

"Up North" is basically anything IL not in Southern Illinois. "Chicago" covers the entire Chicagoland metro area. Slightly different perspective

kphoger

Quote from: ilpt4u on December 19, 2023, 12:37:19 AM
Growing up in the Southwest Burbs and now living in the Carbondale area, my definition of Southern IL has shifted from south of I-80 to south of somewhere between US 50 and I-64 - probably closer to 50

I too have lived in both the Chicago suburbs and the Carbondale area (Herrin to be exact, but my job included driving a delivery truck all over the area).  Your boundary corroborates my assertion that it's somewhere between Mount Vernon and Effingham.

When I think about it a little harder, I'd say that, east of I-57, the line is between Route 161 Extension and US-50.  Wayne City and Cisne and even Mount Carmel strike me as southern Illinois, but not so much Flora or Olney.  West of I-57, I don't know because I have less history in that area:  Centralia could go either way for me, but it does seem decently different from Mount Vernon.
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hobsini2

#73
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 06, 2023, 10:55:51 PM
On a day trip down to Peoria this past weekend, I did drive on I-180. I-180 uses Davenport and Joliet as the controls.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3953467,-89.3827596,3a,75y,357.3h,81.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sG5q9ATsE-ct-dUcd0Hm4ng!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: hobsini2 on March 26, 2024, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 06, 2023, 10:55:51 PM
On a day trip down to Peoria this past weekend, I did drive on I-180. I-180 uses Davenport and Joliet as the controls.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3953467,-89.3827596,3a,75y,357.3h,81.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sG5q9ATsE-ct-dUcd0Hm4ng!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


Which is strange because I-39, which is less than 20 miles away, uses Des Moines and Chicago.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3605939,-89.0598503,3a,75y,10.42h,87.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm59ktIB997KFGyZcf80hNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

And elsewhere they use "Moline / Rock Island" on I-88. Never once do they mention the Iowa part of the Quad Cities.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9103933,-89.0233923,3a,75y,175.33h,88.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sczuW3uZU60LfTCJpqBR72A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu



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