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Title: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on October 26, 2019, 01:40:43 PM
I thought I should stick to the geographic rules of AA roads. I will go over the major projects South of I 72 in the new Capital Plan.
I 57 More 6 lanes between 24 and 64.
Lebanon bypass . This is a 3 miles bypass that better connects US 50 to I 64.
There were 4 lane studies of 51 and 50 both of those have vanished.
Be interesting to find out more.
A 4 lane and Pickneyville bypass also disappeared. Instead there is thru town reconstruction of that road. There is another study of that corridor by a legislative mandate called the southwest corridor.
There is one expansion project that continues past this current plan. That is US 67 from Jerseyville to the existing expressway. A little over half the remainder will be done while land will be acquired for the rest.
There are a lot of reconstruction and resurfacing and new bridges like 270 over the Mississippi.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 26, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
https://www.siconnector.com/

Mayor of Murphysboro posted on fb the other day that he is on the Task Force for the Southwest Illinois Connector, trying to get some kind of rural expressway from Murphysboro to Columbia/roughly an upgrade for IL 127-IL 3

In the Capital Bill project list, more 6 Laning of IL 13 near Crab Orchard Lake is included, getting closer to 6 Lanes fully between Carbondale and Marion
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on October 26, 2019, 06:29:56 PM
I was surprised IDOT  didn't include that first segment. The 50 and 51 studies never got that far. There was not much support for 51 during the EIS.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on October 28, 2019, 10:02:03 PM
I was surprised IDOT  didn't include that first segment. The 50 and 51 studies never got that far. There was not much support for 51 during the EIS.

Did you say the Lebanon Bypass did or did not make the cut for the capital plan?

The US-51 hearings for the Ramsey to Vandalia (south of town) route was total foobar, so I am not surprised it got dropped.

*Everyone* wants a 4 lane activity, Vandalia just doesn't like what it takes, so IDOT was making all sort of of compromises and re-routes that made it functionally worthless.

So what you got was a "plan" that no one liked.  IDOT last showed a west bypass of the city that has US-51 as a full interchange with co-signage on I-70 as far as original US-51 North.  But people didnt like the property acquisition requirements to rehab that exit.

IDOT really wanted to do a bypass on the east side of the Kaskaskia River, and technically it makes the most sense since it is mostly a flood zone.  But the locals complained that it would simply allow traffic to bypass town completely and no one would ever "see" it. Well, isn't that what a bypass is?

You don't want property to go, so no urban elevation.

You don't want property to go, so no west bypass.

You don't want people to drive past you, so no east bypass.

So, no road at all.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on October 30, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
Yes Lebanon bypass is there and fully funded. Only 67 hints of further new construction because the land acquisition is funded to Jerseyville.
I remember that about 51 . IDOT  outright cancelled the 30 project for the same reason.
They just did their passive aggressive thing here with 51.
Now the section between Olney and Illinois 1 on 50 vanished too. Do you know why that was?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on October 30, 2019, 12:08:50 PM
The notes of those 51 meeting are online under featured projects. The consultants told them they had to make the road very high type to meet the purpose and need . So it seemed to be a hated bypass or nothing.
What happened to 50? It vanished from featured projects. The consultants there has trouble fitting it in The existing ROW.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on October 31, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
There was an article that said IDOT  told the Southwest connector group above  to apply for Build grants. Unless they do that I suspect nothing will happen Pickneyville has a different may who did not want a bypass so my guess is its over. The 50 and 51 projects never got past Phase I so they would have to start from scratch again.

I have been though the whole plan. There is an add lanes on 40 in Effingham and some major construction on IL 3 in metro East.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 03, 2019, 09:34:41 PM
Yes Lebanon bypass is there and fully funded. Only 67 hints of further new construction because the land acquisition is funded to Jerseyville.
I remember that about 51 . IDOT  outright cancelled the 30 project for the same reason.
They just did their passive aggressive thing here with 51.
Now the section between Olney and Illinois 1 on 50 vanished too. Do you know why that was?

I have been checking on the US-50 plan from Olney to US-1 and don't see any official decisions as of yet.

Just an update on the US50 Coalition Facebook page from 2018.

https://www.facebook.com/us50coalition/photos/a.1714371495265338/1714371475265340/?type=3&theater

Olney and Richland County in general are part of the US50 Coalition, but I see the coalition website is malfunctioning.

Seeing that IDOT was spreading the wealth in dribbles around the state, I can assume politically that the Lebanon Bypass was the most effective way to placate the coalition lobby.



Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 04, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
They were on the featured project list. Then just vanished. When I tried their website it was hijacked.
I am really curious. When we get some time I may ask my wife to FOIA about it.
You can try if you want .
You have to word it right to get info. On discussions.

I plan to specifically FOIA the decision on corridor protection  on Corridor Protection for US 67 between Illinois 104 and Macomb.

Time period this year and last year.

We probably won't get to it before Christmas if anyone else wants to go for it. They have to get back to you in a week.But that is the kind nonspecific wording.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 04, 2019, 01:38:33 PM
They were on the featured project list. Then just vanished. When I tried their website it was hijacked.
I am really curious. When we get some time I may ask my wife to FOIA about it.
You can try if you want .
You have to word it right to get info. On discussions.

I plan to specifically FOIA the decision on corridor protection  on Corridor Protection for US 67 between Illinois 104 and Macomb.

Time period this year and last year.

We probably won't get to it before Christmas if anyone else wants to go for it. They have to get back to you in a week.But that is the kind nonspecific wording.

I have reached out to a member of the US50 Coalition to see what the scoop is among the membership.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 04, 2019, 08:41:57 PM
Great. I would be interested in hearing. I have been a member of Corridor 67 but they have had no updates .
If I were them I would try together passing lanes and keep the 4 lane ROW .
That doesn't take years of study and the money. Add to that Indian has no plans for the corridor.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 06, 2019, 11:38:16 AM
FHWA EIS database is gone but EPA has one back to the nineties.  51 never had a final filed. Probably never will 50 and 127 were just assessments and 50 was never finished.
Adding Illinois 154 to Illinois 3 makes me think they would have to do a whole EIS.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 06, 2019, 09:56:09 PM
FHWA EIS database is gone but EPA has one back to the nineties.  51 never had a final filed. Probably never will 50 and 127 were just assessments and 50 was never finished.
Adding Illinois 154 to Illinois 3 makes me think they would have to do a whole EIS.

For US 50

FAP-409 O'Fallon to US-51 Sandoval (1974)  there was an updated one made in 1977

https://books.google.com/books?id=CyI3AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=FAP+Route+409+Sandoval&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNx4rHidflAhUQIKwKHdANCJUQ6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=FAP%20Route%20409%20Sandoval&f=false

FAP-409 Centralia to Xenia (1972)

https://books.google.com/books?id=HeI3AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA6&dq=FAP+Route+409&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-8czgiNflAhXQna0KHT8zA-wQ6AEwAnoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=FAP%20Route%20409&f=false

FAP-409 Clay City to Lawrenceville (1972)

https://books.google.com/books?id=TMA1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA8&dq=FAP+Route+409&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-8czgiNflAhXQna0KHT8zA-wQ6AEwA3oECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=FAP%20Route%20409&f=false
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on November 07, 2019, 05:26:19 PM
I plan to specifically FOIA the decision on corridor protection  on Corridor Protection for US 67 between Illinois 104 and Macomb.

One thing is for certain. Sometime around the 10-year anniversary of the corridor protection, by law IDOT needs to hold a public hearing and then make a decision whether they should extend the corridor protection another 10 years. They can always get rid of it before the 10 years runs out, at their discretion.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 07, 2019, 08:11:29 PM
Yes that is what it was a public hearing. I submitted comments. We will FOIA the decision.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 08, 2019, 08:18:57 PM
I might add that back in 1972 there was a large amount of truck traffic on US 50 headed west to St Louis.

Refined oil products from Lawrenceville
Large concrete plant in Salem, while the Quebecor printing plant came in 1976.
International Shoe & AMF bicycle plant in Olney
Brown Shoe in Flora
Timken in Carlyle

Of these only 2 remain.

So it should be no shock that the AADT between Salem & Olney is really poor. The AADT they expected back in 1972, most of those traffic creators are long, long gone.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 09, 2019, 11:22:38 AM
Looking at some of the discussion I found they were trying to fit it in the existing ROW. I wonder if they couldn't and that would have triggered an EIS noting Edwaleni comments could not have gone anywhere.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 16, 2019, 01:35:07 AM
Looking at some of the discussion I found they were trying to fit it in the existing ROW. I wonder if they couldn't and that would have triggered an EIS noting Edwaleni comments could not have gone anywhere.

I have not heard back from the US50 Coalition yet on what exactly happened between Olney and Lawrenceville.

Yes, I heard there were some issues with some private residence creep east of Olney where a frontage road won't fit.  But IDOT still owns the former IL-250 .
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 16, 2019, 08:54:02 AM
I DOT kills a lot of projects quietly over local objections. It happened all up and down 51. There was 34 through Sandwich. The flip of 336 to 24. And recently it looked like they were going ton3 lane 20 through Galena  and they cut that back to just some turn lanes because of local objections.
That southwest planning project is going to be interesting with Pickneyville not wanting a bypass.
I think a lot of this seems Prometheus screw up on Roseville. They kept insisting that Rosevile be bypassed or bulldozed with 5 lanes through town.Then later the admit 3 would have been fine.
Personally I would do that if I were Jerseyville or Carrolton or any of these small towns.

Iowa has it as policy. The link to US 30 is in Iowa notes.
Hopefully there will be lots of indictments and we can get some new blood into that department.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 16, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
Yes Lebanon bypass is there and fully funded. Only 67 hints of further new construction because the land acquisition is funded to Jerseyville.


As I noted in another forum thread, IDOT already owns a large amount of ROW south around Lebanon.

What i would like to know is will they truncate it at IL-4 (Madison Street) and force US-50 to zig-zag over the closed CSX tracks?  Or will they take it all the way to Air Mobility Drive where a full cloverleaf is in service?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48839624341_da2d12a064_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 16, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
That looks like the route in the plan. I wonder if they might reroute 50 along 4?
Will it be 4 or 2 .?
Also I was thinking of moving the line from 72 to 74.that pretty much groups all the downstate projects into this area. The great lakes followers seem mostly interested in Chicago projects.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 16, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
I expect to get a lot of construction pics for 34 . Somewhat less for the Beardstown Bridge and 97 . Hope to get some of 24.
Hopefully we can get 50 and 67 pics from Jerseyville.
I hope to get the start to finish on 34.
We posted some good ones here of the 67 construction near Jacksonville many years ago
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 17, 2019, 09:49:51 PM
Don't laugh...this is from 2014.


- Phase I engineering for location studies and preparation of an Environmental Impact Statement for the project from Illinois 158/Interstate 64 to Illinois 127 north of Carlyle was approved in 1978. The design report and EIS are no longer valid and would require re-evaluation.

The proposed section from Illinois 158 at Interstate 64 east of O'Fallon to Illinois 4 in Lebanon in St. Clair County, with its major environmental impacts in the Silver Creek wetlands area, may not be approved. A west-end terminus at Illinois 4 in Lebanon would eliminate these impacts. Also, the alignment proposed for the Carlyle bypass on the north side of Carlyle on the dam for Lake Carlyle is on federal park land.

- All structures for an access-controlled four-lane divided highway from Summerfield Road east of Lebanon to Illinois 127, north of Carlyle have been built on the new alignment.

- About 95 percent of the right-of-way parcels have been acquired for a four-lane divided highway from Interstate 64 to Illinois 127 north of Carlyle.


• Interstate 57 west of Salem  to the Indiana state line at Vincennes:

- U.S. 50 is two-lane for 68.6 miles from Interstate 57 west of Salem to east of Lawrenceville, except at interchanges with Interstate 57 west of Salem and east of Flora at U.S.  45, where it is a four-lane divided highway. U.S. 50  is a four-lane freeway for 7.4 miles from east of Lawrenceville to the Indiana state line at Vincennes.

Current status:

- A feasibility study for upgrading U.S. 50 to four lanes from Interstate 57 west of Salem to east of Illinois 1, about 74 miles, was completed in 2008 at a cost of $1.7 million.

- Phase I engineering for location, environmental and design studies for the section of U.S. 50 from two miles west of Illinois Route 130 to Lawrenceville was started in March 2011 and is in progress, at a current cost of $3.1 million with an additional $1 .2 million programmed in FY 2014.

- Archaeological surveys were completed at a cost of $150,000.

- Phase II engineering for contract plans for the section of U.S. 50 from two miles west of Illinois 130 to Lawrenceville is programmed during FY 2015-2019 at a cost of $693,000.

History:

- Phase I engineering studies were completed from Salem to the Indiana state line between 1969 and 1973. These studies are no longer valid and new studies are required.

- Right-of-way was acquired between Xenia and the Indiana state line for the expansion of U.S. 50 to a four-lane divided highway.

- The estimated cost to complete all engineering, land acquisition, utility adjustments and construction for a four-lane divided highway ranges from $728 million to $800 million.

The cost range was developed from estimates in the feasibility study, which used 25 percent contingency and a base year of 2007. Depending on the year of construction and inflation these costs are only a rough estimate.
- A feasibility study for upgrading U.S. 50 to four lanes from Interstate 57 west of Salem to east of Illinois 1, about 74 miles, was completed in 2008 at a cost of $1.7 million.


Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 17, 2019, 11:43:06 PM
This is really interesting and really summarizes US 50 There is really nothing that can be done from Carlyle to Salem.
I still wonder why the 130 to 1 was dropped.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 17, 2019, 11:56:19 PM
In fairness to I DOT they did a good job of finding the only justifiable segments. Lebanon of course. The Olney was to be a connection to 69. IN DOT had no further plans . Perhaps there was something found wanting in their phase 1. IDOT can blame or thank IN DOT for killing off both the 50 and 1 corridors.
US 51 was killed by the locals The engineering firm told them they had to have the hated bypasses for the Purpose and Need statement. Not sure if that is fully true this days. FHWA has been going softer on NEPA.
I do wonder if the southwest group could get into NEPA trouble over the approved section Pickneyville South now being part of a larger project?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 18, 2019, 09:54:50 PM
This is really interesting and really summarizes US 50 There is really nothing that can be done from Carlyle to Salem.
I still wonder why the 130 to 1 was dropped.

Phase II engineering for contract plans for the section of U.S. 50 from two miles west of Illinois 130 to Lawrenceville is programmed during FY 2015-2019 at a cost of $693,000.

I am going to hazard a guess that the Phase II is complete now and so it was removed as they don't plan to put it out for bid right now.

Until I hear from the coalition directly I would guess that if any of the other projects on the list fail to start due to bid issues, new EIS issues, lawsuits, or a bunch of them come in a much lower bids than expected, IDOT will pool the funds for other shovel ready deals like US-50 in the east.

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 18, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
Where does it say US 50 cannot be rerouted around Carlyle to the south, with some of the existing section west of IL 127 being decommissioned?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 18, 2019, 11:17:27 PM
True they have the land but I have nagging doubts they did that phase 2 . It was in the multi year but I never saw it in an annual. And it was always in an out year. Hope you hear from contact. We could always FOIA.

755 of course they could but it's IDOT.......
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 20, 2019, 03:40:09 PM
Where does it say US 50 cannot be rerouted around Carlyle to the south, with some of the existing section west of IL 127 being decommissioned?

In the original 1972 EIS several routes involving Carlyle were covered. At the time of the EIS, Lake Carlyle was still on the drawing board with the Army Corp of Engineers.

2 alignments were mentioned.

- One that goes north of Carlyle and continues east just underneath the dam to Huey
- One that goes south of Carlyle using a new west side loop around and continues east and crosses the Kaskaskia River south of town. (This would make the current deadhead at IL-127 a spur)

Much was covered on the AADT of IL-127 north & south of Carlyle in the research.

Also there is a small dependency on how the then active EIS for US-51 at Sandoval was going to go.  US-51 was relocated between Centralia to just south of Sandoval. IDOT owns ROW (or at least they used to) east of Sandoval for this alignment so they could create a full US-50/US-51 cloverleaf east of town.

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 20, 2019, 04:02:53 PM
The Olney was to be a connection to 69. IN DOT had no further plans . Perhaps there was something found wanting in their phase 1. IDOT can blame or thank IN DOT for killing off both the 50 and 1 corridors.

INDOT is currently holding hearings on US-231 and US-50 improvements, mostly in support of industry in Jasper and Huntingburg.

So I don't think they care much about what IDOT wants to do west of Vincennes anymore.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 20, 2019, 04:41:38 PM
https://www.thehawkeye.com/news/20191116/victory-in-fight-for-4-lanes
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 20, 2019, 07:21:09 PM
Speaking of the corps they are in the above article. 130 million for 6 miles of 4 lane at a ,17 foot elevation ....sure.

Disappears IDOT  has the 51 ROW. Looking at the satellite maps it looks like there is 4 lane ROW just south of Vandalia IDOT  used to do that all the time. Might be fun for a list in notes sometime.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 25, 2019, 01:54:09 PM
They were on the featured project list. Then just vanished. When I tried their website it was hijacked.
I am really curious. When we get some time I may ask my wife to FOIA about it.
You can try if you want .
You have to word it right to get info. On discussions.

I plan to specifically FOIA the decision on corridor protection  on Corridor Protection for US 67 between Illinois 104 and Macomb.

Time period this year and last year.

We probably won't get to it before Christmas if anyone else wants to go for it. They have to get back to you in a week.But that is the kind nonspecific wording.

I have reached out to a member of the US50 Coalition to see what the scoop is among the membership.

As noted in the other US50 - Illinois thread:

IDOT terminated the Olney to Lawrenceville project in 2017. (no reason given)

The US 50 Coalition is attempting to get it back on the funded list.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 25, 2019, 06:46:50 PM
Edwaleni great . You come through with the info.

Usually there is something behind it. My suggestion is try passing lanes first but keep that ROW. These 4 lane studies just never end and go nowhere. There has been growing  hostility to bypasses
You don't need any big studies for those. Please pass on if you speak to them.

I would go with a through town in Jerseyville and Carrolton on 67 . It would be a smaller percentage of the route than Monmouth Macomb which works well.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 25, 2019, 08:40:24 PM
So here is where we stand
Southwest Connector . IDOT told them based on news reports to try to get Build grants. I think they made a mistake because I DOT has a ready to build segment.

US 51 Gone never filed a FEIS. Local opposition
US 50 Lebanon bypass funded . But the rest cancelled for some reason. Future unknown

US 24 funded to hear Canton. This would force a redo of 336 studies most likely ending it.. Both are about same distance to Peoria

US 34 Funded to hear Monmouth . Probably will be extended to 67 but the part the Corps wants built up 17 feet probably will never be built.

67 Construction near and ROW acquired to Jerseyville plus Beardstown bridge. But 2 other segment each about 10 miles were not included. Jerseyville to Carrolton and 10 miles north of the existing 4 lane and near Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 25, 2019, 08:49:42 PM
Edwaleni great . You come through with the info.

Usually there is something behind it. My suggestion is try passing lanes first but keep that ROW. These 4 lane studies just never end and go nowhere. There has been growing  hostility to bypasses
You don't need any big studies for those. Please pass on if you speak to them.

I would go with a through town in Jerseyville and Carrolton on 67 . It would be a smaller percentage of the route than Monmouth Macomb which works well.

It comes down to politics plain and simple. SE Illinois south of I-70 and east of I-57 has become the new "Forgottonia" that used to describe everything west of Springfield and south of Macomb.

They just don't have the political leverage they used to have post WWII and it clearly was on its way out by 1974 as IDOT started breaking the promises. As the population continues to move west and south across the US, Their legislative districts keep getting larger and larger and more diluted in Congress.

As more people exit Illinois over the next 25 years it will only get worse.

The only way it will reverse is if a few things happen:

- A large automotive corporation wants to built a plant nearby (ILL will further break the bank to woo it)
- An Illinois US Senator lives in the area (kind of like when Paul Simon lived near Carbondale)
- Frac oil comes easier to the region (and they have a lot of frac oil)

until something like above happens, it will continue its long retreat into agriculture and small industry.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 25, 2019, 10:31:08 PM
You have not seen what's coming to ag. Plant Meat cultivated meat and precision fermentation. .....and autos the future is in Bloomington Normal at Rivian. The long range inexpensive EV is here not much need for oil. Rivian is going to make Amazon's truck fleet.
Illinois a big win for downstate. But overall fewer auto jobs. The battery making process is highly automated. Probably worst news for Mexico.

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 25, 2019, 10:56:52 PM
In some fairness to IDiot. The Illinois 1 corridors was pretty much stopped by EPA and 67 north of Monmouth by FHWA at the start in the seventies.

A big problem is the dropping traffic volumes that is why I suggest 3 lanes.
It's a problem for city of Chicago arterial in a different way.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: roadgeek on November 27, 2019, 11:03:25 AM
South of I-70 and east of I-57 is where I go in Illinois as I have family there in the Flora and Clay City area. US-50 really doesn't seem bad as far as traffic goes. I'm just not sure the idea of expanding to more lanes make a lot of sense. It's been years since I've been beyond Salem but from I-57 in Salem to Olney I just can't see more lanes being added. I know there is a Walmart Distribution Center in Olney but everything seems adequate, at least for now. I haven't been on US-50 EAST beyond Olney and IL-130 so I can't attest to any potential needs there.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 27, 2019, 11:25:54 AM
I think you are right roadgeek. Almost all these roads under study have been seeing declining traffic. It's why I suggested passing lanes. Iowa is doing it on all its remaining routes. That discussion pops up in Iowa notes.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 02:00:42 PM
It was back in the 2006-2008 range that I was regularly driving US-50 in eastern Illinois, but I agree that traffic doesn't warrant four lanes.  Then again, I'm not so sure traffic on IL-13 east of Marion warrants four lanes either, so there you go...
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: roadgeek on November 27, 2019, 02:08:37 PM
US-50 is quite a rural highway for the most part in south eastern Illinois. I imagine its a little different closer to St. Louis. I'm not really sure passing lanes are even needed. Perhaps closer to St. Louis maybe. The only divided highway I can think of is in Flora starting down the road from Uebinger Furnature at the junction with US-45. Then goes back to two lanes then a divided highway by the Best Western and Pizza Hut in Flora.

I think you are right roadgeek. Almost all these roads under study have been seeing declining traffic. It's why I suggested passing lanes. Iowa is doing it on all its remaining routes. That discussion pops up in Iowa notes.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 02:34:12 PM
We discussed this a while back on the regular Illinois board, so I figured I'd post the AADTs from that thread.


Yes, there is a US50 Coalition pushing for a 4 lane from O'Fallon to Vincennes.

...

AADTs:

8150   Vincennes - Lawrenceville
6600   Lawrenceville - Olney
4350   Olney - Clay City
7050   Clay City - Flora
6550   Flora - Salem
10500   Salem - Odin
6400   Odin - Sandoval
6700   Sandoval - Carlyle
7550   Aviston - Carlyle
9450   Carlyle - Lebanon
15300   Lebanon - O'Fallon

It's right on the line of needing it, if you ask me.  For comparison, I-64 east of Mount Vernon runs about 10000 to 12000 AADT.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 27, 2019, 05:56:20 PM
I started this because the Illinois list was becoming the Chicago list. Nothing wrong with that they just seemed to lose interest in downstate projects. I am going to check  the latest figures.
One of the reasons IDOT  have for cancelling US 30 and 34 in northern Illinois was decline in traffic. 30 went from 7100 to 6600 .
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 30, 2019, 08:46:38 PM
We discussed this a while back on the regular Illinois board, so I figured I'd post the AADTs from that thread.


Yes, there is a US50 Coalition pushing for a 4 lane from O'Fallon to Vincennes.

...

AADTs:

8150   Vincennes - Lawrenceville
6600   Lawrenceville - Olney
4350   Olney - Clay City
7050   Clay City - Flora
6550   Flora - Salem
10500   Salem - Odin
6400   Odin - Sandoval
6700   Sandoval - Carlyle
7550   Aviston - Carlyle
9450   Carlyle - Lebanon
15300   Lebanon - O'Fallon

It's right on the line of needing it, if you ask me.  For comparison, I-64 east of Mount Vernon runs about 10000 to 12000 AADT.

Thanks for reposting this as i was just about to do the same.

Salem to Odin is high due to (2) truck transfer terminals located just west of the I-57 exit.

Olney west to Clay City is just too low.  The jump from Clay City to Flora is due to co-signage with US-45. The Wal Mart Distro Center in Olney is really for stores east of there and into western Indiana. This is why the coalition was trying to get the 4 lane extended from Lawrenceville to IL-130 where the center is.  Also a major supplier to Wal Mart is Pacific Cycle, which has a plant south of Olney on IL-130.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on December 06, 2019, 07:55:54 PM
A little farther north. I DOT  out an expressway ends sign on the Macomb bypass . First of all its a 2 lane full freeway and the freeway ends at an actual expressway US 67 .
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on December 08, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
As for US-50

Olney to Vincennes
O'Fallon to Caryle
Salem Bypass with I-57

are warranted due to volumes, industry, commuting or recreational.

Carlye to Salem and Salem to Olney are just too low to justify.

Last time I spoke with some folks in SE Illinois along US-50 in the 1960's they used to drive over to Vincennes for certain items not local.

They said in the 1980's it started to shift and more people drove to Effingham or Terre Haute.

That all changed somewhat when Wal Mart built their first, then replacement super center north of Olney.

Regional heath care referrals for many years went to south Evansville. Now they go north to C-U via Carle.

The local oil business moved to Robinson (Marathon Refinery) when the Lawrenceville Indian Refinery closed down. That refinery had a lot of workers from Olney and Vincennes.

Robinson also has a large Hershey's plant there (the original Heath Bar factory).

Some people drive to work the Duke Energy plant across the Wabash near Mt Carmel or the CIPS Power Plant between Olney and Newton.

I know its hard to believe, but the Vincennes-Lawrenceville International Airport (just off US-50) used to have regularly scheduled airline service. Piedmont used to run commuter service out of there to either Indy to Evansville. It was to support all of the oil executives and employees flying in and out the 2 refineries (Robinson & Lawrenceville) nearby.

For those who are into deep trivia, "Havoline" oil was produced at the Indian Oil Refinery in Lawrenceville from 1906-1962. It's also where multi-grade oil was invented. It was sold to Texas Oil (Texaco) and the Indian name was retired. (But the town mascot is still the "Indians")

For many locals, they believe the political influence of the area declined as the local oil industry waned. The Indian refinery was finally sold to Marathon, and then shut down due to it being obsolete and uneconomic.

There is still oil in the region, but it is difficult to locate and extract. However, much of the remaining oil can be removed via fracking, but ILEPA created such overly strict environmental laws it remains uneconomic. While Illinois continues to lower taxes on high sulphur coal, opportunities for extracting oil and gas sit on the shelf. If cheaper fracking options remain in the Bakken or Permian Basins, the SE Illinois oil will probably remain in the ground.





Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on December 08, 2019, 04:57:07 PM
Since they pulled it in 17 under Rauner my guess is they never started Phase2 and probably needed a full EIS not the EA they were working on. Basically all the environmental documents they have are out of date because of no work except 34 and 67.And there is just no money in this budget for them.
All parts of the state got a little bit of expansion .
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on January 12, 2020, 11:48:19 AM
The report has been released for the 'Southwest Illinois Connector'.  https://www.siconnector.com/ (https://www.siconnector.com/)  The report has a map for previous studies, including one prior to the Supplemental Freeway corridor which would have used IL 13 and IL 15.

Kind of disappointing there's no mention in the report of getting a better bypasses for Waterloo or Columbia.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on January 13, 2020, 03:41:25 PM
The report has been released for the 'Southwest Illinois Connector'.  https://www.siconnector.com/ (https://www.siconnector.com/)  The report has a map for previous studies, including one prior to the Supplemental Freeway corridor which would have used IL 13 and IL 15.

Kind of disappointing there's no mention in the report of getting a better bypasses for Waterloo or Columbia.

This one probably deserves its own thread as I can think of several discussion points associated with it.

If no issues, I will start one.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on January 13, 2020, 03:48:59 PM
No objections. I got an Update from Corridor 67 . Pretty much what is inn the plan. Planning and Land is continuing to carry it to Jerseyville.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 13, 2020, 09:13:51 AM
For those of you on edge US 51 is officially cancelled in today's Federal Register. Will try to get a link at some point .
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 13, 2020, 10:23:52 AM
For those of you on edge US 51 is officially cancelled in today's Federal Register. Will try to get a link at some point .

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-02-13/pdf/2020-02920.pdf (https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-02-13/pdf/2020-02920.pdf)

Quote
The
FHWA, in cooperation with the Illinois
Department of Transportation (IDOT),
issued a notice of intent to prepare an
environmental impact statement (EIS)
on November 26, 2007 (72 FR 67779).
The project proposal was to address
potential increases in traffic volumes,
operational issues, and State economic
initiatives of the existing 70-mile
roadway facility south of Pana to east of
Irvington, Illinois.
The FHWA is rescinding the notice of
intent because IDOT has no plans to
advance the project and no further
activities will occur in its development.
Comments or questions concerning
this notice should be directed to FHWA
or the Illinois Department of
Transportation at the addresses
provided above.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 13, 2020, 12:53:04 PM
No formal obit like US 30 which has a lot of media just the formal notice. I found no articles about it.
Well we know 336 was replaced by 24 and is over.
50 gets a bypass but is otherwise gone and so now is 51
34 67 and 127 live on . 127 has its own thread in SW  connector.

I will ask hear about Illinois 29 North of Peoria and US 20 . They should be in the great lakes but they really only care about Chicago.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 13, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
Miles need to complete existing projects.
127 About 18 to South of Pickneyville I only include that because the studies on the other 2 segments have not started.
67 About 27 on the southern segment and 46 for the other .
34 About 5
24 maybe 5 if they extend to Canton.
Only freeway segment might be Jerseyville bypass. Maybe Macomb but not much interest in that for 67 never was.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 13, 2020, 02:47:08 PM

I will ask hear about Illinois 29 North of Peoria and US 20 . They should be in the great lakes but they really only care about Chicago.

IL-29 from Mossville to Hennepin has been dead a long time. IDOT said the Hennepin Spur (I-180) should have never been built in the first place.

Chillicothe would love to have the bypass and improvements, but the last word was that there just isn't enough AADT.  I-39 sealed its fate.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 13, 2020, 03:12:34 PM
It's still on the featured projects website but then again so is 51.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 14, 2020, 01:52:53 PM
It's still on the featured projects website but then again so is 51.

I think you and I know that some "projects" linger for political purposes rather than actual planning purposes.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 14, 2020, 06:00:16 PM
On we sure do.....also Illinois never update it's web pages.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: adt1982 on February 15, 2020, 09:22:11 PM
Will they at least finish the 4-lane of US 51 to the point where it multiplexes with IL 16?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on February 15, 2020, 09:27:33 PM
Will they at least finish the 4-lane of US 51 to the point where it multiplexes with IL 16?
I wouldn’t bother. The traffic levels are not really there. But maybe IDOT will. Who knows...IL has enough fiscal issues already
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on February 15, 2020, 10:33:21 PM
^ IMHO they should at least build a two lane version of the Pana bypass for US 51
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 16, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
I was googling articles about what happened to this project and found the mayor of Pana   really didn't want one IDOT  pretty much drops a project whenever that happens anymore. District 6 is doing new shoulders and other work in Pana.
It's under the old EIS so they could but it sure looks like 51 is done.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 16, 2020, 09:12:49 PM
I was googling articles about what happened to this project and found the mayor of Pana   really didn't want one IDOT  pretty much drops a project whenever that happens anymore. District 6 is doing new shoulders and other work in Pana.
It's under the old EIS so they could but it sure looks like 51 is done.

Pana *wants* traffic to come through town, not drive around it. The only issue is the stop and jog to the west honestly.

So if Pana is a no. Vandalia couldnt reach an agreement, then I can see why IDOT gave it the punt.

Contrast to the US-50 coalition which has been outright begging for a route, and yet IDOT gives it a cold shoulder for 40 years.

This may be related to some work former Senate Minority Leader Frank Watson was attempting to do in his then district before he left due to a stroke. His replacement (McCarter) then became Ambassador to Kenya and the Senate was redistricted. The Highland Illinois Bypass was named "Frank Watson Drive" after he helped get state funding.

Because of all of this it probably fell down the priority list locally and was not promoted (if at all).

Jason Plummer from Staunton is the new senator now post the district redraw. All this turnover has created a seniority gap in the Senate against the entrenched Democrats. Low seniority means low priorities in your district.

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 17, 2020, 05:04:37 PM
And you said 50 was dropped in 2017. Rainer was gov. So it was not some partisan thing. Could there be something we don't know about. Omg the West end the Lebanon bypass is fully funded. Not sure if it is 2 or 4 lanes.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 17, 2020, 09:04:37 PM
And you said 50 was dropped in 2017. Rainer was gov. So it was not some partisan thing. Could there be something we don't know about. Omg the West end the Lebanon bypass is fully funded. Not sure if it is 2 or 4 lanes.

One thing I didn't mention. Watson's replacement in the Illinois Senate after he left (McCarter) was from Lebanon Illinois. I am sure that helped.

Why does US-50 go nowhere in the east? Simple.

The 15th US House District now covers from Rantoul on the north, all the way to Metropolis in the south, (except C-U) with Vandalia in the west and parts in between. The noisy wheel in this district has been Effingham Illinois where I-57 and I-70 meet. They have been making a lot of noise in the Illinois delegation about Chicago "starving them" of highway funds. John Shimkus (Collinsville) is the elected official now.

The population of Illinois (and the country) has been shifting and this one is getting quite large to compensate.  This is why it is becoming forgottonia and US-50 has to compete with more efforts in Ways and Means.

In the Illinois House, its the 109th with Darren Bailey, a farmer from Xenia. That district covers all of south eastern Illinois "except" Effingham. The boundary in fact borders the city limits but does not include it.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Illinois_Congressional_Districts%2C_113th_Congress.tif/lossless-page1-1024px-Illinois_Congressional_Districts%2C_113th_Congress.tif.png)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on February 17, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
Assuming Illinois loses a US House of Reps seat after the 2020 Census, which is widely expected to happen, the 15th is likely the District to be carved up and eliminated, and the Democratic Party holds power in the Governor’s Mansion and both Chambers of the State House

How exactly it will be carved up, who knows. How it affects Road Projects, well we’ll have to see
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 18, 2020, 11:49:00 AM
Assuming Illinois loses a US House of Reps seat after the 2020 Census, which is widely expected to happen, the 15th is likely the District to be carved up and eliminated, and the Democratic Party holds power in the Governor’s Mansion and both Chambers of the State House

How exactly it will be carved up, who knows. How it affects Road Projects, well we’ll have to see

Shimkus is retiring. He expected his district to be eliminated.  When his and the 19th were merged after 2000, it was a nasty election. He doesn't need a repeat.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 18, 2020, 09:40:35 PM
Also there were very few add lanes projects in the suburbs. And the Stevenson and Ike projects got nothing. I am pleased with 34 24 67 and 127. And the Lebanon bypass

Also Indiana appears to be done with 50 as well.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 19, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
Also Indiana appears to be done with 50 as well.

Not quite. From over at the Mid-States Corridor forum, plans to upgrade US-50 to Bedford.

(http://www.wbiw.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mid-state-Corridor-map-3.jpg)

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on April 27, 2020, 05:39:58 PM
Darren Baily is going from Illinois house to Senate unless he is expelled. He enraged the Gov today with a stunt. Put a big x through anything on US 50 or IL 1.

Anything else under study in Indiana South of 70.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on April 28, 2020, 11:07:41 AM
Darren Baily is going from Illinois house to Senate unless he is expelled. He enraged the Gov today with a stunt. Put a big x through anything on US 50 or IL 1.

Anything else under study in Indiana South of 70.

Mr. Bailey from Xenia knows he has no legislative leverage, so he had nothing to lose by going to court to show the Gov he over-reached.

As for US50, don't look for anything beyond the Lebanon Bypass for the next 20 years regardless of what Mr. Bailey does.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on May 10, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
Article from 2018.

Illinois State Representative John Cavaletto says the Four Lane U.S. 50 Coalition remains strong for a four-lane highway across the state. He reports during a well-attended meeting in Carlyle recently the group agreed to push a Salem and Lebanon by-pass as the two parts of the project that needed to be completed first.

Cavaletto says it is still not clear who pulled the project off the Illinois Department of Transportation list, but he hopes to have a meeting with the Governor soon to begin the effort to get it restored. He’s already gotten the support of Congressmen John Shimkus, Mike Bost, and Rodney Davis to seek federal money for the project if President Trump is successful in getting his major capital works program off the ground. Cavaletto is hopeful U.S. Senators Dick Durbin and Tammy Duckworth will also join the effort.

Cavaletto feels the Salem bypass is key to growth opportunities for the city.

“I think IDOT has done some work on where it may go and I know there is speculation that the Tonti Road is the area and I would say that is probably right.  You have the railroad tracks on the south side and it will probably go north and intersect with I-57 somewhere up there.  So that would be good for Salem.”

And Cavaletto says there is another reason for completion of the four-lane highway.

“Since 2007 to 2014 there’s been over 30 deaths on this highway.  The safety part of it has to be there.  It hasn’t been kept up like it should be.  It’s not a really good road to travel and it’s crowded.  Our coalition is not going to let this die.  It’s either going to be this governor or the next one that will help us get this to four-lane.”
Cavaletto has labeled this as his last project he wants to see to completion and plans to stay involved even after his term expires in January. He realizes the project isn’t one that will be completed in a few years but wants a plan in place that would eventually lead to the project’s completion.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 11, 2020, 12:33:21 PM
Illinois literally has hundreds of more deserving projects than four-laning US 50.  Yeah maybe if the state was flush with cash it might be worth possibly considering, but at this time it reeks of pork; and not the good kind; the shit that's mostly fat and gets sent to the cheap-ass dog food factory.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on May 11, 2020, 05:40:25 PM
Illinois literally has hundreds of more deserving projects than four-laning US 50.  Yeah maybe if the state was flush with cash it might be worth possibly considering, but at this time it reeks of pork; and not the good kind; the shit that's mostly fat and gets sent to the cheap-ass dog food factory.

I think you can find plenty of projects that reeks of pork, especially in Illinois.

I also think there are projects that remediate some safety issues.

US-20 from Freeport to Dubuque is a huge one.

US-50 from Salem to Carlye uses a legacy (1920's era) ROW with poor geometry in places and inadequate widths.  This is why this particular politician wants to see something.

I don't dispute US-50 doesn't show a need for a 4 lane completely across the state today, especially between I-57 in Salem east to US-45 in Flora. AADT shows very little traffic between Olney and Flora.

But the AADT does support a capacity increase west of Salem, which the representative was explaining in his comments.

The Lebanon Bypass is a safety issue all the way. Problems with heavy trucks in town and accidents.

If anything, US-50 needs to get off the rest of its legacy 2 lane ROW. Xenia to Salem, and then Salem to Carlye. The projects in the late 1960's didn't get finished and left some unsafe segments behind.

IDOT still thinks they can acquire traffic in the Twin Cities to St Louis route using the CKC and US-67 which is a fallacy. Once Missouri builds the Hannibal Bypass, shippers will have little use for the IDOT route.

Any US-67 enhancements at this point is to satisfy some political activities and 1 logistics center planned for Jerseyville.

Once frac oil comes back (and it will someday), SE Illinois will be a hot bed once again.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: kphoger on May 12, 2020, 12:44:09 PM
If you wait until there aren't any remaining more-deserving projects elsewhere in the state, if you wait until the state is flush with money—then when would southern Illinois get any improvements?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 12, 2020, 01:53:44 PM
I suppose you're right; the population centers will continue to subsidize transportation in the sticks.  Just like it's always been.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on May 16, 2020, 01:57:15 PM
Darren Baily is going from Illinois house to Senate unless he is expelled. He enraged the Gov today with a stunt. Put a big x through anything on US 50 or IL 1.

Anything else under study in Indiana South of 70.

Mr. Bailey from Xenia knows he has no legislative leverage, so he had nothing to lose by going to court to show the Gov he over-reached.

As for US50, don't look for anything beyond the Lebanon Bypass for the next 20 years regardless of what Mr. Bailey does.

You can't make this up.  Mr. Bailey's appeal is going to the Clay County Courthouse.

https://www.bnd.com/news/rebuild/article242774921.html

The State of Illinois AG protests and files a motion to move it to Sangamon County, because it is more "convenient". Of which the Clay judge said that is not a adequate legal basis to move the trial. So in Clay County it stays.

So now these poor lawyers, the AG, the Governor and his entourage will all have to trek to little ole Louisville, Illinois.

What does this have to do with roads? Oh plenty.

US-45 which is the only major road through Louisville will get the beauty treatment. Potholes filled, cracks sealed, broken up shoulders replaced.  Stuff the state had no money for will suddenly rise up in the priority charts.

Mr. Pritzker, who probably hasn't seen a brick street in his life will get to experience the one encircling the courthouse.

Can you see all of these $300 hour lawyers having to wait for a stall in the 2 hole mens bathroom?

To top it off, since the Gov. is limiting business, he won't have anywhere to eat in town. Maybe the Casey's gas station will turn on their electric pizza oven just for them.  :-D
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on June 04, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/idot-prioritizes-i-270-bridge-dupo-interchange/ (https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/idot-prioritizes-i-270-bridge-dupo-interchange/)

Projects on nearly every major regional traffic artery in Metro East are outlined in the Illinois Department of Transportation’s (IDOT) Fiscal Year (FY) 2020-2025 Proposed Highway Improvement Program.

Several potentially landmark projects are key to major economic development projects which could help reshape the region, according to area business and political leaders.

Among them: replacement of the Interstate 270 bridge across the Mississippi River, a new U.S. Route 67 bypass near Jerseyville, a new Interstate 255 interchange at Dupo and the new Greenmount Road interchange in O’Fallon.

IDOT acknowledges that many — including extensive projects on Interstate 255 and the Interstate 64 tri-level interchange area in East St. Louis — will mean years of traffic slowdowns and tie-ups.

The I-255 project will entail the phased closing sections of between Collinsville Road to Route 15 for months at a time next year.

The U.S. Department of Transportation will cover 39 percent of the IDOT infrastructure program; with Illinois state funds covering 37 percent; Series A bonds, 21 percent, and local matching funds, 2 percent.

The projects are part of Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s $41.5 billion Rebuild Illinois program. To pay for it, Illinois on July 1 raised the state gasoline tax, from 19 to 38-cents-a-gallon and increased vehicle registration fees.

While 16 percent of funding under the program would go “to strategically expanding the system in areas where data have shown the investment will be highly effective,” the plan will dedicate 75 percent of funding to reconstructing and preserving roadways and bridges, according to an IDOT statement. The remainder targets necessary traffic and safety improvements.

That marks a major shift toward long-term infrastructure preservation, according to the IDOT statement.

A few of the projects (noted below) are to begin in state FY 2020. However, most are scheduled for state fiscal years 2012 through 2025. The road program was announced Oct. 10. The road plan at this point remain technically in the proposal stage and IDOT continues to take public comment on it.

Among major projects planned for IDOT Region 8 (encompassing Greene, Calhoun, Jersey, Madison, Bond, Clinton, St. Clair, Monroe Randolph, Washington, and Marion counties) are:

 Interstate Highways
Interstate 55/64/U.S Route 40/Illinois Route 4 from the Mississippi Rover to the I-64 trilevel interchange in East St. Louis. — Major highway renovation including lighting, bridge joint replacement and repair, bridge deck overlay and bridge repair.

Interstate 64 under Illinois 111 —  Interchange reconstruction, bridge replacement, and ramp repair.

Interstate 64/U.S. Route 50 from just west of Greenmount Road in O’Fallon to 1.1 miles west of Illinois Route 158 — Construction of additional lanes and resurfacing.

Interstate 255/U.S. Route 50 from Illinois Route 3 in Dupo, across Madison and St. Clair Counties, to Collinsville Road. — Highway resurfacing and patching, ramp repair, shoulder repair, and bridge repair or replacement along a 30.2 mile stretch of highway. Scheduled start: 2020

A new interchange on Interstate 255 at Imbs Stations Road and Davis Street Ferry Road in Dupo is scheduled for construction during 2025.

Interstate 270 at the Mississippi River in Madison County —Mississippi River Bridge replacement is to be complemented by approximately 10 miles of additional lanes, road reconstruction, resurfacing, and bridge superstructure work; extending east to Illinois Route 203.

That includes road and bridge expansion and reconstruction across the 2.3-mile Mississippi River bridge approach — extending from the river to the Chair of Rocks Canal.

Then highway expansion and improvement will then continue east to Illinois Route 203; entailing reconstruction of intersections with Illinois Route 3,  Illinois Route 111 and Route 203.

U.S. Highways
U.S. Route 67 at the Delhi Bypass in Jersey County — Construction of 3.2 miles of new four-lane expressway will provide a bypass around the community of Delhi.

The IDOT plan also calls for preliminary work on future widening of U.S. 67, from two to four lanes, north from Jerseyville into Green County as well as south to the Madison County line.

The IDOT program also calls for projects on the Clark Bridge (U.S. 67) and the deck sealing;  intersection reconstruction at Formosa Road-Bethany Road on U.S. Highway 40 ($24 million);and road and bridge work long U.S. Highway 50 at various locations from Silver Creek east through Clinton County, including Kaskaskia River bridge repairs. All are scheduled for 2020.

State Highways
Illinois Route 3 Connector – extending across East St. Louis from Monsanto Drive in Sauget to the River Park Drive Connector – is the centerpiece of maintenance and improvements on the highway extending from it north terminus in Godfrey to its southern terminus in Cairo.

In addition to the new $49 million connector roadway – with its new bridge and a newly-built approach through Sauget – the IDOT plan for Route 3 calls for:

Pavement improvement projects in Cahokia and various locations across Monroe and Randolph counties,
Reconstruction of the intersection with Pierce Lane in Godfrey,
Pavement overlay and patching on the section concurrent with Homer Adams Parkway in Alton,
Reconstruction from New Poag Road to Industrial Drive in unincorporated Madison County, and
Reconstruction at 20th street in Granite City.

An Illinois Department of Transportation study outlined the major reasons for needing to replace and improve the Interstate 270 bridge.

Other projects on state highways include:

Illinois Route 4 — Pavement maintenance or rehabilitation at various locations across southern Madison, St. Clair and Randolph counties including replacement of the highway’s Kaskaskia River bridge. Some work to begin in 2020.

Illinois Route 13 — Pavement reconstruction from Illinois Route 157 to 23rd Street in Belleville and pavement maintenance from Rogers Drive in Freeburg to the Kaskaskia River.

Illinois Route 15 — Pavement maintenance east of Ill. 159 with major bridge re-construction and road work south into Washington County

Illinois Route 111 — Reconstruction from Poag Road to Denham Road, with improvements at the Chain of Rocks Road, bridge replacement at the Cahokia Canal, and railroad bridge replacement near the Fairmont City School.

Illinois Route 140 — Reconstruction from Monument Street to Annex Avenue in Alton.

Illinois Route 143 — Replacement of the Silver Creek Bridge west of Marine.

Illinois Routes 157-162 junction — Relocation of the intersection, with reconstruction of the Ill. 157 bridge at Judy Branch Creek Bridge and intersection with Sugar Loaf Road. Improvements or pavement maintenance are scheduled at locations south across St. Clair County into Cahokia.

Illinois Route 158 — Relocation with new bridge from Illinois Route 177 to Illinois Route 161 and intersection reconstruction at Freeburg Avenue in Belleville.

Illinois Route 159 — Reconstruction of Beltline intersection in Collinsville, replacement of the Douglas Creek Bridge near Smithton, with maintenance at various locations across Madison and St. Clair counties.

Illinois Route 177 — Reconstruction from County Drive to Mine Road in Mascoutah.

Illinois 255 — Pavement overlay from I-270 to Illinois Route 143, beginning in 2020.

Non-numbered state roads

Greenmount Road — Additional lanes and bridge replacement from Ill. Route 161 to  Ill. Routes 158/177.

Lebanon Bypass —New construction Illinois Route 4 to U.S. Highway 50, east of Lebanon

McKinley Bridge — Sealing scheduled for 2020.

Local projects
The IDOT plan also provides funding for qualifying local infrastructure projects including:

Granite City — Reconstruction of First Street from C Street to E Street and construction of new segment of Levee Road.

Collinsville — Bridge replacement on Fairmont Avenue at Canteen Creek,

Lebanon — Replacement of Troy O’Fallon Road bridge at Mill Creek, and

Frank Scott Parkway — Additional lanes and a new bridge between Swansea and Shiloh.

The complete IDOT 2020-2025 Proposed Highway Improvement Program can be accessed at https://tinyurl.com/IDOT2025plan

The State Summary of the Program includes a public comment form, as well as information on filing comment by telephone at 800-493-3434.

Additional information about the plan is available online at www.idot.illinois.gov.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on July 22, 2020, 09:42:16 AM
Thanks to Rick Powell over in the Great Lakes forum.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2021-2026/2021-2026%20MYP%20Internet%20Version.pdf

Lots of work planned for southern Illinois.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on July 22, 2020, 12:03:54 PM
Thanks Ed. I wondered about all the bridge work North of Jerseyville was related to future expansion.....same with North of Murpheysboro. There was separate legislation that would find a study from Pickneyville to metro east.

Otherwise I didn't see much new but they admit they don't know if work at home is permanent.....

Delhi bypass was inn the latest letting and fixing the the horrible stretch of 67 in North Warren County this year.

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 12:43:43 PM
So gonna highlight the D9 projects? If not, I can pull them out of the report pdf and post them

I thought the most interesting for D9 is finishing the 6 laning of I-57 between Marion and Mt Vernon. The segment from Johnston City to West Frankfort is being worked on now. The project list said from West Frankfort to I-64. I think there was also another project about the last 4-lane segment between Marion and I-24

Since I-57 between Marion and Mt Vernon is, essentially, the multiplexed Nashville-St Louis and Chicago-Memphis routes, 6 laning between I-24 and I-64 is appropriate, and has been a slow work in progress. This looks to be a kick in the rear to finish it
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on July 22, 2020, 01:39:33 PM
So gonna highlight the D9 projects? If not, I can pull them out of the report pdf and post them

I thought the most interesting for D9 is finishing the 6 laning of I-57 between Marion and Mt Vernon. The segment from Johnston City to West Frankfort is being worked on now. The project list said from West Frankfort to I-64. I think there was also another project about the last 4-lane segment between Marion and I-24

Since I-57 between Marion and Mt Vernon is, essentially, the multiplexed Nashville-St Louis and Chicago-Memphis routes, 6 laning between I-24 and I-64 is appropriate, and has been a slow work in progress. This looks to be a kick in the rear to finish it

I got hung up on all of the IL-3 projects in Madison County. Also wanted to make sure the US-50 promises were kept.

I haven't had a chance to look at anything south of Mt Vernon just yet.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on July 22, 2020, 01:47:45 PM
Yes the 57 6 lane is in there. Also the land and intersection work North of Murphysboro.
I have been through all the downstate ones and there really isn't much new I can find. The good news is nothing but as we said.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 02:14:03 PM
Yes the 57 6 lane is in there. Also the land and intersection work North of Murphysboro.
I have been through all the downstate ones and there really isn't much new I can find. The good news is nothing but as we said.
I didn’t see it on the project list in D8 or D9, but the Cover Letter section, on Page 13, mentioned funding for the Southwest Illinois Connector, aka the Murphysboro-Columbia Expressway project, as codified into the bill passed by the General Assembly. The SWC traverses both D8&9

The Reed Station Road extension in Williamson County is almost certainly related to the Williamson County casino going to Walker’s Bluff. The expanded gambling bill was going thru the Legistlature around the same time the capital bill was. I was expecting either a new construction roadway to feed the casino and Walker’s Bluff or improvements and extensions of Reed Station Rd
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on July 22, 2020, 04:30:18 PM
Yes that is it. In the plan I noticed a bunch of land acquisition and work North of Murphysboro similar to land acquisition North of Jerseyville. One is an intersection the other bridges.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on July 22, 2020, 05:26:00 PM
There is no more Land Aq. In this budget for 67 but the recent bid had one for demolition In the 67 corridor near Jerseyville. Maybe for Delhi bypass.

But North of Jerseyville there is a repave for 5 miles. Then for that same segment is a reconstruction for 25 million which is a heck  of a reconstruction that ought to be paved shoulders and a passing lane for that price and no structures.

And then the bridges. 30 million for Macoupin  and Apple . Both seem to have plenty of ROW. That's half the cost of the Beardstown Bridge .
Anyone know what's going on?

I have a similar question for 67 between Macomb and Industry. That is called a repave  but a 3 million a mile it's the same as the much needed reconstruction North of Monmouth.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on July 23, 2020, 12:04:29 PM
There is no more Land Aq. In this budget for 67 but the recent bid had one for demolition In the 67 corridor near Jerseyville. Maybe for Delhi bypass.

But North of Jerseyville there is a repave for 5 miles. Then for that same segment is a reconstruction for 25 million which is a heck  of a reconstruction that ought to be paved shoulders and a passing lane for that price and no structures.

And then the bridges. 30 million for Macoupin  and Apple . Both seem to have plenty of ROW. That's half the cost of the Beardstown Bridge .
Anyone know what's going on?

I have a similar question for 67 between Macomb and Industry. That is called a repave  but a 3 million a mile it's the same as the much needed reconstruction North of Monmouth.

https://idot.illinois.gov/projects/Maps/us-67-corridor-map

If you click on each project section, it gives you a detail of where they are in engineering, land acquistion, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on July 23, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
  IDOT hasn't updated that in years along with most of their website.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on July 24, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
  IDOT hasn't updated that in years along with most of their website.

Well they do update the most important thing.  :-D

Who the director is regardless if he is interim or permanent.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on July 24, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
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Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 25, 2020, 08:32:19 PM
  IDOT hasn't updated that in years along with most of their website.

Lol, it truly baffles me that projects that were completed years ago are still active on there. Are they that ignorant? It makes IDOT look really bad.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on July 25, 2020, 10:06:12 PM
Projects finished and cancelled like 51 which had its federal register notice some time ago. It's in this thread.Though it is nice to have the historical information. The couple out it with the SRAs.
I figured out the reconstruction near Jerseyville. I found a news story about a reconstruction through town . They must have dropped the bypass because 5 million a mile is a reconstruction. They seem to be discussing parking and number of lanes.

Macomb years ago chose through town . The bypass there was pushed for 110 so I don't  see same thing here or a 67 Macomb bypass.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on July 26, 2020, 01:15:19 AM
Projects finished and cancelled like 51 which had its federal register notice some time ago. It's in this thread.Though it is nice to have the historical information. The couple out it with the SRAs.
I figured out the reconstruction near Jerseyville. I found a news story about a reconstruction through town . They must have dropped the bypass because 5 million a mile is a reconstruction. They seem to be discussing parking and number of lanes.

Macomb years ago chose through town . The bypass there was pushed for 110 so I don't  see same thing here or a 67 Macomb bypass.

Jerseyville isn't dying for a bypass so much as improving access to a large logistics park going in with KCS railroad.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 26, 2020, 12:38:47 PM
I figured out the reconstruction near Jerseyville. I found a news story about a reconstruction through town . They must have dropped the bypass because 5 million a mile is a reconstruction. They seem to be discussing parking and number of lanes.

Just because the through town route is being reconstructed doesn't necessarily mean the bypass is cancelled.  If the through town route is fully reconstructed it might be easier to get Jerseyville to take the road when 67 is routed on the bypass.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on July 26, 2020, 04:19:57 PM
Projects finished and cancelled like 51 which had its federal register notice some time ago. It's in this thread.Though it is nice to have the historical information. The couple out it with the SRAs.
I figured out the reconstruction near Jerseyville. I found a news story about a reconstruction through town . They must have dropped the bypass because 5 million a mile is a reconstruction. They seem to be discussing parking and number of lanes.

Macomb years ago chose through town . The bypass there was pushed for 110 so I don't  see same thing here or a 67 Macomb bypass.

Jerseyville isn't dying for a bypass so much as improving access to a large logistics park going in with KCS railroad.

Seems the logistics park has run into a bunch of delays as of late. Covid derived I would imagine. But here is what it is planned to do as of 2018.

The nearly 1,400-acre rail-served logistics park site will be located east of the existing KCS rail line that passes through rural Jerseyville on its southeast side near Crystal Lake Road. Stonemont projects that construction could begin as early as this year, with deliveries possibly rolling through about 12 months later. The firm also estimates that investments in the project could ultimately total approximately $500 million.

“Stonemont sees transformational potential in this project and that is why we are committed to investing the appropriate amount of capital to help bring it to life,” stated Zack Markwell, Chief Executive Officer of Stonemont. “While the project is still in its due diligence phase, Stonemont believes the park can address critical logistics needs for a wide variety of rail users in the U.S. and Mexico, as well U.S.-based parts and components manufacturers that ship products down to Mexico for assembly.”


https://jedc-il.us/mid-american-international-gateway/ (https://jedc-il.us/mid-american-international-gateway/)

Not to be confused with the Mid America Commerce Center going up in O'Fallon Illinois at I-64 and IL-158 and the new exit at Reider Road.

https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/ofallon-touts-new-mid-america-commerce-center-near-airport/ (https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/ofallon-touts-new-mid-america-commerce-center-near-airport/)

Also not to be confused with the Mid America Intermodal Port in Quincy

http://www.gredf.org/mid-america-intermodal-port/ (http://www.gredf.org/mid-america-intermodal-port/)

They are running out of derivatives of "Mid America".

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 26, 2020, 05:22:25 PM
Not to be confused with the Mid America Commerce Center going up in O'Fallon Illinois at I-64 and IL-158 and the new exit at Reider Road.

https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/ofallon-touts-new-mid-america-commerce-center-near-airport/ (https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/ofallon-touts-new-mid-america-commerce-center-near-airport/)

Which makes the failure to keep the former protected corridor for the Gateway Connector look even worse.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on July 26, 2020, 09:23:57 PM
Not to be confused with the Mid America Commerce Center going up in O'Fallon Illinois at I-64 and IL-158 and the new exit at Reider Road.

https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/ofallon-touts-new-mid-america-commerce-center-near-airport/ (https://chronicleillinois.com/news/metro-east-news/ofallon-touts-new-mid-america-commerce-center-near-airport/)

Which makes the failure to keep the former protected corridor for the Gateway Connector look even worse.

According to the St Clair County Strategic Plan, the Gateway Connector was corridor protected by IDOT as far back as 2011.  When did IDOT release it?

Never mind, I found this from 2017:

https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article132984679.html (https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article132984679.html)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 12, 2020, 12:14:42 AM
Well, it's more western IL than southern IL, but the Environmental Assessment for the replacement of the IL 100-106 bridge at Florence is now posted at IDOT's website.

http://www.florencebridgestudy.com/get_involved/public_notice.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 12, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
Well, it's more western IL than southern IL, but the Environmental Assessment for the replacement of the IL 100-106 bridge at Florence is now posted at IDOT's website.

http://www.florencebridgestudy.com/get_involved/public_notice.aspx

Ah yes, the grated draw bridge with the operator shack in the center lift truss. This bridge has been hit by barges repeatedly, I think there was an emergency repair due to a barge hit in 2019.

I think the replacement was listed in the new IDOT funding plan.

While Florence is "western" Illinois, the Midwest board for Illinois is dominated by Chicago area discussion.

Having lived in the Chicago area at one time, the Chicago media considers *anything* outside of Chicago "downstate" or southern Illinois. I used to laugh when a TV news host would say "in downstate Rockford" which of course is a total misnomer.

For me personally, having also lived in southern Illinois, I tend to draw the line at I-70 or US-50, but that is just me.

Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 12, 2020, 11:19:18 AM
Having lived in the Chicago area at one time, the Chicago media considers *anything* outside of Chicago "downstate" or southern Illinois. I used to laugh when a TV news host would say "in downstate Rockford" which of course is a total misnomer.

For me personally, having also lived in southern Illinois, I tend to draw the line at I-70 or US-50, but that is just me.
Having grown up in Suburban Will County and now living in Southern Illinois in Jackson County, my definition of Southern Illinois has certainly changed

Growing up in Chicagoland: Anything south of I-80 is Southern Illinois; In Roadgeek terms, anything outside of IDOT D1

Now as a resident of the actual southern part of Illinois: Anything south of I-64 is my general definition, tho I can cheat it up to the US 50 corridor; Roadgeek terms, anything inside of IDOT D8&9. I-70 I think is far enough north to be Central Illinois
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: kphoger on August 12, 2020, 12:11:44 PM

Having lived in the Chicago area at one time, the Chicago media considers *anything* outside of Chicago "downstate" or southern Illinois. I used to laugh when a TV news host would say "in downstate Rockford" which of course is a total misnomer.

For me personally, having also lived in southern Illinois, I tend to draw the line at I-70 or US-50, but that is just me.

Having grown up in Suburban Will County and now living in Southern Illinois in Jackson County, my definition of Southern Illinois has certainly changed

Growing up in Chicagoland: Anything south of I-80 is Southern Illinois; In Roadgeek terms, anything outside of IDOT D1

Now as a resident of the actual southern part of Illinois: Anything south of I-64 is my general definition, tho I can cheat it up to the US 50 corridor; Roadgeek terms, anything outside of IDOT D8&9. I-70 I think is far enough north to be Central Illinois

At least when I lived in the area, McDonald's in Mount Vernon had sweet tea, but McDonald's in Effingham didn't.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 12, 2020, 12:27:00 PM
Having lived in the Chicago area at one time, the Chicago media considers *anything* outside of Chicago "downstate" or southern Illinois. I used to laugh when a TV news host would say "in downstate Rockford" which of course is a total misnomer.

For me personally, having also lived in southern Illinois, I tend to draw the line at I-70 or US-50, but that is just me.
Having grown up in Suburban Will County and now living in Southern Illinois in Jackson County, my definition of Southern Illinois has certainly changed

Growing up in Chicagoland: Anything south of I-80 is Southern Illinois; In Roadgeek terms, anything outside of IDOT D1

Now as a resident of the actual southern part of Illinois: Anything south of I-64 is my general definition, tho I can cheat it up to the US 50 corridor; Roadgeek terms, anything outside of IDOT D8&9. I-70 I think is far enough north to be Central Illinois

Since southern Illinois is also called "Little Egypt", there was a high school sports conference called the "North Egypt Conference" that included a bunch of towns along or just below US 50. Flora, Salem, Lawrenceville, Red Hill (Bridgeport), Olney, Mt Carmel, and Carmi since 1929. That is why I always thought US-50 was the "border" if there ever was one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Egypt_Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Egypt_Conference)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: kphoger on August 12, 2020, 12:38:31 PM
Wayne City definitely feels "southern Illinois" to me, and so does Mount Carmel.

Cisne and Allendale could go either way.

Lawrenceville, Flora, and Salem feel less "southern Illinois" to me.

Louisville feels like Flora Junior, but Kinmundy definitely feels more "central Illinois" to me.

So, in my opinion, the boundary has to be north of IL-15 but south of the Marion–Fayette county line.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ThatRandomOshawott on August 13, 2020, 01:15:44 AM
One of my high school teachers was originally from between Marion and Mt. Vernon, and he said that he noticed that the boundary for Southern accents is around Champaign. So I would assume Champaign/Urbana is the furthest north you would get any sort of Southern IL culture.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 13, 2020, 10:42:19 AM
One of my high school teachers was originally from between Marion and Mt. Vernon, and he said that he noticed that the boundary for Southern accents is around Champaign. So I would assume Champaign/Urbana is the furthest north you would get any sort of Southern IL culture.

One thing for sure, when I moved to the Chicago metro in 1975, I got seriously mocked for my accent. "Are you from Alabama?, Are you from Texas?" "No", I said, "I am from Illinois". "No one in Illinois talks like you do" is what I was told.

What I really wanted to say is if you actually drove somewhere the L doesn't stop, you would know Illinois is more than just Chicago. But after awhile I started running into other transplants, from Newton, Carbondale, Mt Vernon, McLeansboro, etc. and they all shared the same stories of mockery and adjustment.

Since I moved out of Illinois, the biggest issue I run into now is people who say "Illi-noise".  I would say I correct about 2 people a month now on how to pronounce the state correctly.

Once I got stopped by 2 undercover CPD officers and they didn't even know where in the suburbs my residence was located. They just said "never heard of it"

On the flip side, I had to go to court in Jasper County (Newton) for a ticket once and the top #1 rule when you appear in a county court in southern Illinois is, never say you are from Chicago! If you live in a suburb and the judge asks where your town is on your license, you just say "its in northern Illinois".
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: kphoger on August 13, 2020, 10:59:31 AM
Heck, southern Illinois is "southern" enough that I had a customer in Eldorado who pronounced TP as "turrlet paper".
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ThatRandomOshawott on August 13, 2020, 01:32:28 PM
If you do genealogical work in Western Kentucky or West Tennessee, then you may end up having a cousin that moved to Southern IL back in the 19th century. One of the main reasons why there is such a divide between Chicago and Southern IL is the demographic and genealogical differences between them. Southern IL was largely settled by people from the Upper South as well as some Germans, but Chicago grew because of German and Polish immigration. You'll find plenty of Joneses and Smiths in Southern IL, but in Chicago, you'll find plenty of "-ski" surnames.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Life in Paradise on August 13, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
If you do genealogical work in Western Kentucky or West Tennessee, then you may end up having a cousin that moved to Southern IL back in the 19th century. One of the main reasons why there is such a divide between Chicago and Southern IL is the demographic and genealogical differences between them. Southern IL was largely settled by people from the Upper South as well as some Germans, but Chicago grew because of German and Polish immigration. You'll find plenty of Joneses and Smiths in Southern IL, but in Chicago, you'll find plenty of "-ski" surnames.
There is the old story of Shawneetown, Illinois and that a bank loan officer turned down a request for a loan for the town of Chicago since he thought nothing would come of it.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: kphoger on August 13, 2020, 01:59:48 PM
Southern IL was largely settled by people from the Upper South as well as some Germans

Having lived in Herrin, I should also mention:  Don't forget Italy! (https://www.herrinfesta.com/about)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 13, 2020, 03:37:38 PM
Southern IL was largely settled by people from the Upper South as well as some Germans

Having lived in Herrin, I should also mention:  Don't forget Italy! (https://www.herrinfesta.com/about)

As to the mentioning the genealogy, yes, around the 1830's there was a large migration from Tennessee and Kentucky. At the time "organized" Illinois was based out of Kaskaskia and later Vandalia.

When I read the history of Montgomery County (Hillsboro) the mention of this large group of people looking for good farmland was the big motivation for them to come.

As for Herrin,  there are several Italian Festivals in Illinois every year, many of them located in and around former coal mine towns. Toluca, Illinois (pop: 1400) has 3 Italian restaurants, all started by the families that worked the nearby strip mines in the late 1800's.  Seeing that Herrin is in similar geography, I would assume the same history is at work. Many descendants of Illinois can trace their history to the fact their ancestors came to work the mines. There are other nationally known people in the US who can trace their roots to Illinois because of the coal.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on August 13, 2020, 05:20:04 PM
I really set it up to cover South of 80 because Great Lakes just isn't that interested in downstate projects. Nothing against them but there seems more interest in the downstate projects here. I am in Western Illinois and hope Rick Powell stops by with his downstate expertise.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 14, 2020, 11:48:49 PM
I really set it up to cover South of 80 because Great Lakes just isn't that interested in downstate projects. Nothing against them but there seems more interest in the downstate projects here. I am in Western Illinois and hope Rick Powell stops by with his downstate expertise.
I’m here! But my experience south of, say, Decatur is somewhat limited because I spent most of my career working in IDOT District 3 west of Chicago. One of the great things IDOT did while I was there was send us to seminars and continuing education all over the state where we could socialize and swap stories with the people in other Districts. Really, each one has its own culture and do things a little differently, but all are tied to the Springfield central office. 

Speaking of that, I had a nice chat last February with the lady who managed the Pana-to-Centralia US 51 study for IDOT, and she confirmed to me a lot of the details we had speculated about here and that it will probably sit on the shelf indefinitely.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 15, 2020, 12:37:50 AM
I really set it up to cover South of 80 because Great Lakes just isn't that interested in downstate projects. Nothing against them but there seems more interest in the downstate projects here. I am in Western Illinois and hope Rick Powell stops by with his downstate expertise.
I’m here! But my experience south of, say, Decatur is somewhat limited because I spent most of my career working in IDOT District 3 west of Chicago. One of the great things IDOT did while I was there was send us to seminars and continuing education all over the state where we could socialize and swap stories with the people in other Districts. Really, each one has its own culture and do things a little differently, but all are tied to the Springfield central office. 

Speaking of that, I had a nice chat last February with the lady who managed the Pana-to-Centralia US 51 study for IDOT, and she confirmed to me a lot of the details we had speculated about here and that it will probably sit on the shelf indefinitely.

That the residents of Pana ultimately didn't want it?

That the residents of Vandalia wanted all the benefits and none of the demerits?

I think you could write a book called "The Bypassing of America" and how smaller towns in the 60's and 70's saw their downtowns diminish when their DOT's built bypasses of them in the name of safety and economy of time. Many towns are seeing the facts and showing less interest in highway expansions that take people around and away from their town centers. Only those towns seeking an industrial base still have a vested interest because many commercial real estate brokers make it a requirement to attract business.

 
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on August 15, 2020, 02:40:45 PM
One of my high school teachers was originally from between Marion and Mt. Vernon, and he said that he noticed that the boundary for Southern accents is around Champaign. So I would assume Champaign/Urbana is the furthest north you would get any sort of Southern IL culture.

Yes, although in the last 30 years Champaign has filled up with people from elsewhere in the country the area is a transition zone on the Mason Dixon Line. Go to Gibson City just 20 miles north and the locals have the Mid Atlantic Dialect heard on the nightly news. Go south 20 miles to Tuscola and the accent they speak is Appalachian, one guy from Douglas County around Tuscola calls the Farm and Fleet store "Form and Floyt." Also down around Effingham on the rural roads you start to see a lot of Anti-Abortion signs that to me appear like a hobby horse obsession about a really insignificant issue facing America in the 21st Century with 100,000+ factories exported to China in an act of corrupt treason far worse than anything Guy Fawkes ever did.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on August 15, 2020, 03:47:38 PM
Rick  they put a notice in the Federal Register its over. The only ones that have life are 127 and 67 . Edwaleni found out 50 was gone in 2017. Also Canton swapped 24 for 336.
I guess 20 and 29 are gone except the passing lanes on 20?

Have you heard anything about 67 north of Jacksonville ? That is full of floodplain and that pretty much made 34 the Monmouth Biggsville exprrssway.

Wondered if that got 67 .
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on August 15, 2020, 03:55:58 PM
Roseville wanted through town but not 5 lanes. Finally after the bypass was built I DOT said Oh we could have just done 3 ! I have timed them it saves about 2 mins so 67 from Monmouth to Macomb is 36 miles and it could have been a third through town. I don't see why Jerseyville couldn't dump it's bypass and build the rest. It's 10 % of the route and would cost as much as the rest.

I also read Pana soured on the bypass. The southwest connector people don't seem to realize the bypassed have fallen out of favor
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 15, 2020, 04:05:13 PM
The southwest connector people don't seem to realize the bypassed have fallen out of favor
I thought I read something that Pinckneyville is still shooting for the SWC to NOT bypass town. Not sure how that will work out, assuming something like the SWC actually gets built this time
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 15, 2020, 04:13:40 PM
Roseville wanted through town but not 5 lanes. Finally after the bypass was built I DOT said Oh we could have just done 3 ! I have timed them it saves about 2 mins so 67 from Monmouth to Macomb is 36 miles and it could have been a third through town. I don't see why Jerseyville couldn't dump it's bypass and build the rest. It's 10 % of the route and would cost as much as the rest.

I also read Pana soured on the bypass. The southwest connector people don't seem to realize the bypassed have fallen out of favor

Jerseyville could end up on the bubble now.

KCS (Kansas City Southern) railroad is rumored to be up for sale. Jerseyville and KCS have been working on this auto parts logistics center together and they have been pushing IDOT to get US-67 finished to them as part of that.

If Canadian Pacific ends up buying them, and they are considered the most likely, CP will no longer need the eastern gateway in Springfield, Illinois. It was good for KCS bringing auto parts up from Mexico and dropping them off for Norfolk Southern to take it the rest of the way to Michigan. But the route doesn't originate a large amount of traffic because its 2 competitors (UP, NS) to name a couple already have access to the yards in Kansas City. So CP would rather take it all the way to Chicago and transfer it to their GTW subsidiary. That makes the route from Kansas City to Springfield (Roodhouse Sub)with the East St Louis connector (Godfrey Sub), somewhat redundant.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 15, 2020, 04:18:31 PM

Having lived in the Chicago area at one time, the Chicago media considers *anything* outside of Chicago "downstate" or southern Illinois. I used to laugh when a TV news host would say "in downstate Rockford" which of course is a total misnomer.

For me personally, having also lived in southern Illinois, I tend to draw the line at I-70 or US-50, but that is just me.

Having grown up in Suburban Will County and now living in Southern Illinois in Jackson County, my definition of Southern Illinois has certainly changed

Growing up in Chicagoland: Anything south of I-80 is Southern Illinois; In Roadgeek terms, anything outside of IDOT D1

Now as a resident of the actual southern part of Illinois: Anything south of I-64 is my general definition, tho I can cheat it up to the US 50 corridor; Roadgeek terms, anything outside of IDOT D8&9. I-70 I think is far enough north to be Central Illinois

At least when I lived in the area, McDonald's in Mount Vernon had sweet tea, but McDonald's in Effingham didn't.

LOL. When we went to Vermont one summer, we were surprised they didn't have sweet tea! Most of the McDonalds up there, don't even have drive throughs, just a walk up windows where it normally would be. But the Chick-Fil-A's in Chicago sell sweet tea.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 15, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
Jerseyville could end up on the bubble now.

KCS (Kansas City Southern) railroad is rumored to be up for sale. Jerseyville and KCS have been working on this auto parts logistics center together and they have been pushing IDOT to get US-67 finished to them as part of that.

If Canadian Pacific ends up buying them, and they are considered the most likely, CP will no longer need the eastern gateway in Springfield, Illinois. It was good for KCS bringing auto parts up from Mexico and dropping them off for Norfolk Southern to take it the rest of the way to Michigan. But the route doesn't originate a large amount of traffic because its 2 competitors (UP, NS) to name a couple already have access to the yards in Kansas City. So CP would rather take it all the way to Chicago and transfer it to their GTW subsidiary. That makes the route from Kansas City to Springfield (Roodhouse Sub)with the East St Louis connector (Godfrey Sub), somewhat redundant.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

GTW is a subsdiary of CN (Canadian National) not CP Rail unless CN had sold GTW to CP recently.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 15, 2020, 09:52:39 PM
Rick  they put a notice in the Federal Register its over. The only ones that have life are 127 and 67 . Edwaleni found out 50 was gone in 2017. Also Canton swapped 24 for 336.
I guess 20 and 29 are gone except the passing lanes on 20?

Have you heard anything about 67 north of Jacksonville ? That is full of floodplain and that pretty much made 34 the Monmouth Biggsville exprrssway.

Wondered if that got 67 .

Well, the Beardstown Bridge is a 67 project north of JVille, and it will be 4-Lane compatible even though the initial construction will be 2. As far as US20, the money isn’t there to do the full freeway, but IDOT is very interested in improving safety in the corridor, in one form or another.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on August 15, 2020, 11:45:59 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 16, 2020, 12:10:38 PM
Jerseyville could end up on the bubble now.

KCS (Kansas City Southern) railroad is rumored to be up for sale. Jerseyville and KCS have been working on this auto parts logistics center together and they have been pushing IDOT to get US-67 finished to them as part of that.

If Canadian Pacific ends up buying them, and they are considered the most likely, CP will no longer need the eastern gateway in Springfield, Illinois. It was good for KCS bringing auto parts up from Mexico and dropping them off for Norfolk Southern to take it the rest of the way to Michigan. But the route doesn't originate a large amount of traffic because its 2 competitors (UP, NS) to name a couple already have access to the yards in Kansas City. So CP would rather take it all the way to Chicago and transfer it to their GTW subsidiary. That makes the route from Kansas City to Springfield (Roodhouse Sub)with the East St Louis connector (Godfrey Sub), somewhat redundant.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

GTW is a subsdiary of CN (Canadian National) not CP Rail unless CN had sold GTW to CP recently.

My error.

You are correct. And its not the first time I have attributed GTW to CP instead of CN.

CP has trackage/haulage rights to Detroit.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 27, 2020, 10:51:23 PM
Well, it's more western IL than southern IL, but the Environmental Assessment for the replacement of the IL 100-106 bridge at Florence is now posted at IDOT's website.

http://www.florencebridgestudy.com/get_involved/public_notice.aspx

And a live public hearing (with social distancing) will be held 4-7 pm September 10 in Winchester IL. I think this is the first live public event for IDOT since the COVID restrictions. FWIW, Scott County was the last county in the state to report a COVID case.

http://www.florencebridgestudy.com/pdfs/il100-106_florence_bridge_ph_notice_sep2020.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on August 28, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Winchester just closed the schools for a couple of weeks so.....
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 03, 2020, 08:36:57 PM
What's with the rumble strips between the lanes on the newly opened six lane portion of I-57 north of Marion?  What a dumb idea.  Now every lane change makes a shit load of noise for anyone living within a mile of the freeway.
It's especially dumb because lane departure warning is going to be a standard feature on all vehicles in a few years.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 03, 2020, 09:00:19 PM
What's with the rumble strips between the lanes on the newly opened six lane portion of I-57 north of Marion?  What a dumb idea.  Now every lane change makes a shit load of noise for anyone living within a mile of the freeway.
It's especially dumb because lane departure warning is going to be a standard feature on all vehicles in a few years.
I haven’t driven that recently, but I’m guessing it relates to Distracted Driving issues

Is that really much different than “the rumble” one gets out in Cali or Nevada with the Bott Dots?

The amount of Semis on that stretch of I-57, pretty sure there are already plenty of noises along that route
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: InterstateHistorian on October 22, 2020, 02:14:34 PM
Yes as far as distracted driving and falling asleep behind the wheel, that should wake you up pretty quick.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 03, 2020, 03:49:09 PM
What's with the rumble strips between the lanes on the newly opened six lane portion of I-57 north of Marion?  What a dumb idea.  Now every lane change makes a shit load of noise for anyone living within a mile of the freeway.
It's especially dumb because lane departure warning is going to be a standard feature on all vehicles in a few years.
I haven’t driven that recently, but I’m guessing it relates to Distracted Driving issues

Is that really much different than “the rumble” one gets out in Cali or Nevada with the Bott Dots?

The amount of Semis on that stretch of I-57, pretty sure there are already plenty of noises along that route

Considering how many people I see "migrating" over into other lanes, especially semis, I am all for it if it keeps people in their lane! It may not be feasible on an urban Interstate, but routes in Southern Illinois could benefit from this.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 04, 2020, 09:35:14 AM
What's with the rumble strips between the lanes on the newly opened six lane portion of I-57 north of Marion?  What a dumb idea.  Now every lane change makes a shit load of noise for anyone living within a mile of the freeway.
It's especially dumb because lane departure warning is going to be a standard feature on all vehicles in a few years.
I haven’t driven that recently, but I’m guessing it relates to Distracted Driving issues

Is that really much different than “the rumble” one gets out in Cali or Nevada with the Bott Dots?

The amount of Semis on that stretch of I-57, pretty sure there are already plenty of noises along that route

Considering how many people I see "migrating" over into other lanes, especially semis, I am all for it if it keeps people in their lane! It may not be feasible on an urban Interstate, but routes in Southern Illinois could benefit from this.

Having fallen asleep on my motorcycle at speed, I am all for passive devices that increase alertness.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 14, 2021, 01:25:56 PM
Something new for the area. IDOT  has IllInois 97 expressway up in Featured Projects. And I feel at home in many of these old studies it has its EA from 1997.
They did have to update this in 2017 and shows you just can't dust off an old study.
This section has over 10000 vpd  . The next section has a brand new 8 to 10 foot shoulder. For just under 6000. Looks like 10k is the current standard.

So we have dead projects
US 51
US 50
US 30

Not officially pulled like the others but would need a major rewrite or new study
Illinois 336 really killed by 24 instead.
Illinois 29
US 20 Discussed in Great Lakes thread
Continuing Construction
67 and 34

Under Study
Southwest Connnector
Peoria Bypass.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 15, 2021, 03:29:36 PM
Something new for the area. IDOT  has IllInois 97 expressway up in Featured Projects. And I feel at home in many of these old studies it has its EA from 1997.
They did have to update this in 2017 and shows you just can't dust off an old study.
This section has over 10000 vpd  . The next section has a brand new 8 to 10 foot shoulder. For just under 6000. Looks like 10k is the current standard.

So we have dead projects
US 51
US 50
US 30

Not officially pulled like the others but would need a major rewrite or new study
Illinois 336 really killed by 24 instead.
Illinois 29
US 20 Discussed in Great Lakes thread
Continuing Construction
67 and 34

Under Study
Southwest Connnector
Peoria Bypass.

As I responded elsewhere. IL-97 in Sangamon County exists to get people to Lincoln's New Salem and back. There are some people who commute into Springfield (like from Pleasant Plains) but enough to warrant a four lane west of Veterans Parkway?

I can't see where the volume is coming from.  The one constraint is the former CNW bridge, now the Sangamon Valley Trail. No shoulders today as it is. It would have to be replaced.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 15, 2021, 04:50:11 PM
It carries over 10000 a day  what can I say?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 15, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
It carries over 10000 a day  what can I say?

I don't doubt you, I just can't find a reason.

Part of it goes to Beardstown and the other part goes to Havana.

Both declining river cities.

Beardstown has JBS Meat Processing. But already has rail access, so its not like they are trucking down to transload.

The only other type of traffic I can come up with is Macomb based. Its out of the way to go I-74 via Peoria and I-72 via Quincy.

Havana is about to lose its longtime coal fired power plant.

There isn't any significant industry heading in/out of Springfield to the NW other than the New Salem park.

The general population shift in Springfield has been south (Chatham-Glenwood) or west (Washington Street/Old US 36)

I will have to look at the studies and see where the traffic is coming and going.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 15, 2021, 08:38:38 PM
The pork plants don't use the railroads. Also 67 is just like 2900 south of Macomb. There is a lot of development in that part of Springfield. I suspect it's local but 125 is pretty busy. The next section is nearly 6000. They did a great repave  with 8 foot shoulder .
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 16, 2021, 01:57:24 PM
The pork plants don't use the railroads. Also 67 is just like 2900 south of Macomb. There is a lot of development in that part of Springfield. I suspect it's local but 125 is pretty busy. The next section is nearly 6000. They did a great repave  with 8 foot shoulder .

I looked at the presentation found here:

https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/IDOT-Projects/District-6/IL-97/documents/Presentation.pdf (https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/IDOT-Projects/District-6/IL-97/documents/Presentation.pdf)

It appears to be a mix of Beardstown traffic and New Salem traffic.

All new ROW once they replace the former CNW bridge (now Sangamon Trail).

I checked on what JBS Meats (Swift) uses the railroad for, they bring in corn sweeteners and raw soy product. But they don't ship any finished product by rail. Its all by refrigerated truck. So that explains most of the rest.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 16, 2021, 09:47:11 PM
It's all online . Comments are open.
The drone is a new angle.
Btw the plans for the 67 reconstruction in Warren up. 5 foot shoukders. Complete reconstruction.3 million a mile.
Still wonder what they are doing for 3 million a mile from Macomb to Industry.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: adt1982 on February 17, 2021, 08:53:52 AM
Something new for the area. IDOT  has IllInois 97 expressway up in Featured Projects. And I feel at home in many of these old studies it has its EA from 1997.
They did have to update this in 2017 and shows you just can't dust off an old study.
This section has over 10000 vpd  . The next section has a brand new 8 to 10 foot shoulder. For just under 6000. Looks like 10k is the current standard.

So we have dead projects
US 51
US 50
US 30

Not officially pulled like the others but would need a major rewrite or new study
Illinois 336 really killed by 24 instead.
Illinois 29
US 20 Discussed in Great Lakes thread
Continuing Construction
67 and 34

Under Study
Southwest Connnector
Peoria Bypass.

As I responded elsewhere. IL-97 in Sangamon County exists to get people to Lincoln's New Salem and back. There are some people who commute into Springfield (like from Pleasant Plains) but enough to warrant a four lane west of Veterans Parkway?

I can't see where the volume is coming from.  The one constraint is the former CNW bridge, now the Sangamon Valley Trail. No shoulders today as it is. It would have to be replaced.

Go out and drive IL 97 from 7:00 AM on.  All it takes is one school bus or some slowpoke doing 10 under the speed limit to get a huge parade of cars putting along. There aren't many good passing zones.  The traffic count may not be that high, but most of that traffic is crammed into the morning and evening rush hour time slots. 
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on February 17, 2021, 10:20:21 AM
Oh I think it's warrented. . I just note that IDOT  thinks good shoulders and turn lanes are OK for 6000. Only US 30 had those volumes. All the other expressway studies are less or much less.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on February 17, 2021, 11:52:14 AM
Something new for the area. IDOT  has IllInois 97 expressway up in Featured Projects. And I feel at home in many of these old studies it has its EA from 1997.
They did have to update this in 2017 and shows you just can't dust off an old study.
This section has over 10000 vpd  . The next section has a brand new 8 to 10 foot shoulder. For just under 6000. Looks like 10k is the current standard.

So we have dead projects
US 51
US 50
US 30

Not officially pulled like the others but would need a major rewrite or new study
Illinois 336 really killed by 24 instead.
Illinois 29
US 20 Discussed in Great Lakes thread
Continuing Construction
67 and 34

Under Study
Southwest Connnector
Peoria Bypass.

As I responded elsewhere. IL-97 in Sangamon County exists to get people to Lincoln's New Salem and back. There are some people who commute into Springfield (like from Pleasant Plains) but enough to warrant a four lane west of Veterans Parkway?

I can't see where the volume is coming from.  The one constraint is the former CNW bridge, now the Sangamon Valley Trail. No shoulders today as it is. It would have to be replaced.

Go out and drive IL 97 from 7:00 AM on.  All it takes is one school bus or some slowpoke doing 10 under the speed limit to get a huge parade of cars putting along. There aren't many good passing zones.  The traffic count may not be that high, but most of that traffic is crammed into the morning and evening rush hour time slots.

I read the initial study report online, they said its a mix of commuter, New Salem and commerical traffic.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on March 03, 2021, 09:20:41 AM
Another road obit in today's the Match 3 federal register. The Peoria Bypass. The details of its passing in Illinois Notes.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 14, 2021, 01:16:22 PM
Life returns to the U.S. 34 project. There is Supplemental EIS and public hearing on line it's under Projects  on the lower part of the poorly edited Featured Projects page.

Even if you don't care about the project the supplemental is worth a read on flood plain issues. Here they found a routing mostly outside the plain.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 14, 2021, 09:12:31 PM
Life returns to the U.S. 34 project. There is Supplemental EIS and public hearing on line it's under Projects  on the lower part of the poorly edited Featured Projects page.

Even if you don't care about the project the supplemental is worth a read on flood plain issues. Here they found a routing mostly outside the plain.

Is this the one between Burlington and Biggsville?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 15, 2021, 08:50:17 AM
Yes it is. It's a little higher per mile than the average 4 lane it's 14 v 10 But 2 interchanges and a little floodplain.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 17, 2021, 10:35:05 PM
IDOT is apparently having (or had?) a public meeting for keeping the corridor protecton for the IL 3 relocation around East St. Louis and the future full build out for the Stan Span/I-70 relocation:  https://idot.illinois.gov/projects/Relocated-Route-3_New-Mississippi-River-Bridge-Corridors-of-Protection.html (https://idot.illinois.gov/projects/Relocated-Route-3_New-Mississippi-River-Bridge-Corridors-of-Protection.html)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 18, 2021, 09:32:55 AM
I tried to find where they had corridor protection but I can't find it online.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 18, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
I tried to find where they had corridor protection but I can't find it online.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51689286954_75623675ca_o.png)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 18, 2021, 11:07:22 AM
Here is the I-64 to Stan Span connector.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51688627506_ea4cf07237_o.png)
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on November 18, 2021, 02:29:48 PM
OK. Do they have a way to find other projects. I know it was cancelled on the Gateway Connector and Prairie Parkway.
I submitted comments to keep it on 67 never heard a thing.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on November 19, 2021, 01:06:05 PM
OK. Do they have a way to find other projects. I know it was cancelled on the Gateway Connector and Prairie Parkway.
I submitted comments to keep it on 67 never heard a thing.

https://idot.illinois.gov/transportation-system/transportation-management/featured-projects/index
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: mrsman on December 06, 2021, 12:20:47 PM
I tried to find where they had corridor protection but I can't find it online.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51689286954_75623675ca_o.png)

I've seen this picture before, but I'm not sure if I understand all of the plans here.

IL-3 is to be moved to  the blue corridor.  Does that mean that the interchanges currently involving IL-3 are to be demolished?  Is th full corridor to be a freeway?

I-70 is to follow one of the red routes to meet with I-55 far away from I-64.  This may be good for traffic.

I-55 and I-64 would still follow their current routings from the Poplar St Bridge.  The existing connector from the Stan to 55/64/70 would need a new number, maybe a I-x64, as most traffic using this connector would be heding to I-64.

Is anything being done to make it easier to connect I-55/64 with the Eads and MLK bridges?
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on December 06, 2021, 04:35:18 PM
I tried to find where they had corridor protection but I can't find it online.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51689286954_75623675ca_o.png)

I've seen this picture before, but I'm not sure if I understand all of the plans here.

IL-3 is to be moved to  the blue corridor.  Does that mean that the interchanges currently involving IL-3 are to be demolished?  Is th full corridor to be a freeway?

I-70 is to follow one of the red routes to meet with I-55 far away from I-64.  This may be good for traffic.

I-55 and I-64 would still follow their current routings from the Poplar St Bridge.  The existing connector from the Stan to 55/64/70 would need a new number, maybe a I-x64, as most traffic using this connector would be heding to I-64.

Is anything being done to make it easier to connect I-55/64 with the Eads and MLK bridges?

Off of 55-70 Westbound:

Exit 2A goes to the Eads.
Both Exits 2B and 2C go to the MLK.

Exit 2C is for traffic coming down 55 and exits to the right.

Exit 2B is a left side exit for I-64 mergers who need to reach the MLK and not cross 4 lanes of traffic.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on December 07, 2021, 10:16:23 PM
IL-3 is to be moved to  the blue corridor.  Does that mean that the interchanges currently involving IL-3 are to be demolished?  Is th full corridor to be a freeway?

The western interchange at the PSB complex isn't supposed to be demolished.  I do not recall if they will remove the remaining IL 3 ramps at the Tri-Level.  It might change anyway by the time these projects start.

None of the relocated IL 3 is supposed to be a freeway.

The existing connector from the Stan to 55/64/70 would need a new number, maybe a I-x64, as most traffic using this connector would be heding to I-64.

One of the documents I saw years ago (may still be a link to it somewhere on the forum) had it becoming I-564.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: STLmapboy on December 17, 2021, 04:05:12 PM
Just drove the new Delhi Bypass on US-67 in Jersey County. Nice road. Currently both lanes are on the NB side (temporary two-lane road), but some of the portable messages signs indicated a "lane change on December 22." The SB side looks pretty much done.

Hopefully they can get a bypass around Jerseyville sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: edwaleni on December 17, 2021, 05:00:30 PM
Just drove the new Delhi Bypass on US-67 in Jersey County. Nice road. Currently both lanes are on the NB side (temporary two-lane road), but some of the portable messages signs indicated a "lane change on December 22." The SB side looks pretty much done.

Hopefully they can get a bypass around Jerseyville sooner rather than later.

The Google Maps car came through 3 weeks ago and got pictures of it too.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: CapeCodder on December 21, 2021, 10:50:50 PM
Random question: What type of asphalt do most of the counties in S. Illinois use? It seems like it has a lot of limestone in it.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 22, 2021, 10:09:38 AM
Crushed limestone is the aggregate of choice for hot mix if it's available.  Limestone breaks into nice triangular bits that lock together better than other aggregate stone.  One gets longer lifespan out of the resulting pavement.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Bobboau on December 28, 2021, 12:10:12 AM
https://idot.illinois.gov/transportation-system/transportation-management/featured-projects/index

Sad (and kinda nervous) not to see the highway 50 Lebanon Bypass in there.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: 3467 on December 28, 2021, 03:14:09 AM
Don't worry it's a poorly updated page.
Title: Re: Southern Illinois Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on December 28, 2021, 05:14:41 PM
Don't worry it's a poorly updated page.

Lebanon bypass is still in the IDOT FY 22-27 program at $34.5 million for construction, $500k for land acquisition, $4 million for utility adjustment, and $2.5 million for construction engineering.

https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2022-2027/2022-2027%20MYP%20Book%20-%20Internet%20Version.pdf