Kurumi has covered Connecticut's unbuilt highways quite nicely and enough has already been written about Robert Moses' plans for New York City, but New Jersey's unbuilt highways seem to have not have gotten as much attention, and there were a lot of them
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1pQrx-ElyI_816Js79GywAYDEEQWk4VaR&usp=sharing
The one that I'm most surprised wasn't built is the 85 Freeway. It would've run between the Holland Tunnel and the George Washington Bridge. Since most of the vehicles using the old West Side Highway were trucks from New Jersey, that would've been a very heavily used road.
The completion of Route 55 is incorrect. It was supposed to veer east and go to the GSP near Exit 13, not towards Cape May.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 23, 2020, 12:58:56 AM
The completion of Route 55 is incorrect. It was supposed to veer east and go to the GSP near Exit 13, not towards Cape May.
Thanks for that. Why does New Jersey have to have so many towns with similar names?
Quote from: kernals12 on September 23, 2020, 01:09:27 AM
Why does New Jersey have to have so many towns with similar names?
Because New Jersey!
I suspect a lot may have to do with early settlements, and early settlers has similar ideas in naming the area they were claiming. Add to that a lack of restrictions (and government, for that matter), and we wound up with what we got.
I would have loved to see the Somerset Freeway built, but it is what it is.
Many NJ routes scrapped could have been useful. It was a shame I-278 never got built west of US 1 & 9 as having the Goethals Bridge have direct freeway connection to the Parkway would have made my dad's commute to work much easier.
Route 55 is the most needed to be continued to the Garden State Parkway to alleviate traffic on Route 47, but that is another story as the environment is top priority there.
Route 55 seems to be about the cost of building with proper mitigation, rather than feasibility. Nobody wants to pay a billion for 19 miles of rural freeway if they don't have to.
In the 60s there were plans to build a massive airport on the Pine Barrens. That probably factored into consideration for all these east west routes through South Jersey.
An obscure unbuilt highway was the ill-fated Route 178. it would have been a freeway spur from the unbuilt section of the Route 24 freeway west of Morristown, to I-80. The intersection probably would have been exit 40 or 41 of I-80. It would have been parallel to Route 53 and probably very close to my home in Parsippany. The road was never built because opponents pointed out that it would have destroyed the semi-rural character of the area. Yet the alignment appeared on some maps even after the road was effectively dead.
Quote from: TXtoNJ on September 23, 2020, 12:45:31 PM
Route 55 seems to be about the cost of building with proper mitigation, rather than feasibility. Nobody wants to pay a billion for 19 miles of rural freeway if they don't have to.
Nah...there's no price estimate right now for it. The overwhelming majority of people don't want it built thru parkland and other sensitive areas.
For what its worth, a billion is greatly underestimating the cost. The 1 mile missing moves ramps between 295 and 42 cost about $175 million to build.
What's up with the eastern end of unbuilt NJ 90. I've only heard of it ending at NJ 73 after crossing the NJTPK.
Quote from: BrianP on September 23, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
What's up with the eastern end of unbuilt NJ 90. I've only heard of it ending at NJ 73 after crossing the NJTPK.
NYC roads said that it would terminate in Mount Laurel. I crudely went based on that.
Quote from: kernals12 on September 23, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: BrianP on September 23, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
What's up with the eastern end of unbuilt NJ 90. I've only heard of it ending at NJ 73 after crossing the NJTPK.
NYC roads said that it would terminate in Mount Laurel. I crudely went based on that.
It would have gone at least to 295, possibly beyond.
Quote from: artmalk on September 23, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
An obscure unbuilt highway was the ill-fated Route 178. it would have been a freeway spur from the unbuilt section of the Route 24 freeway west of Morristown, to I-80. The intersection probably would have been exit 40 or 41 of I-80. It would have been parallel to Route 53 and probably very close to my home in Parsippany. The road was never built because opponents pointed out that it would have destroyed the semi-rural character of the area. Yet the alignment appeared on some maps even after the road was effectively dead.
Well good thing they didn't build it! Thanks to that decision the semi-rural character of the area was preserved and is still maintained today! :spin:
Quote from: interstate73 on September 23, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: artmalk on September 23, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
An obscure unbuilt highway was the ill-fated Route 178. it would have been a freeway spur from the unbuilt section of the Route 24 freeway west of Morristown, to I-80. The intersection probably would have been exit 40 or 41 of I-80. It would have been parallel to Route 53 and probably very close to my home in Parsippany. The road was never built because opponents pointed out that it would have destroyed the semi-rural character of the area. Yet the alignment appeared on some maps even after the road was effectively dead.
Well good thing they didn't build it! Thanks to that decision the semi-rural character of the area was preserved and is still maintained today! :spin:
And Route 53 is a bucolic two-lane with no traffic :D
Quote from: artmalk on September 23, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
An obscure unbuilt highway was the ill-fated Route 178. it would have been a freeway spur from the unbuilt section of the Route 24 freeway west of Morristown, to I-80. The intersection probably would have been exit 40 or 41 of I-80. It would have been parallel to Route 53 and probably very close to my home in Parsippany. The road was never built because opponents pointed out that it would have destroyed the semi-rural character of the area. Yet the alignment appeared on some maps even after the road was effectively dead.
Many companies that were planning to expand in Morris County complained about 178 being cancelled.
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2020, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: interstate73 on September 23, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: artmalk on September 23, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
An obscure unbuilt highway was the ill-fated Route 178. it would have been a freeway spur from the unbuilt section of the Route 24 freeway west of Morristown, to I-80. The intersection probably would have been exit 40 or 41 of I-80. It would have been parallel to Route 53 and probably very close to my home in Parsippany. The road was never built because opponents pointed out that it would have destroyed the semi-rural character of the area. Yet the alignment appeared on some maps even after the road was effectively dead.
Well good thing they didn't build it! Thanks to that decision the semi-rural character of the area was preserved and is still maintained today! :spin:
And Route 53 is a bucolic two-lane with no traffic :D
Indeed! I have many fond memories of cruising down pastoral country lanes like Speedwell Avenue and 53 with nary another car in sight! :-D
Quote from: interstate73 on September 24, 2020, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2020, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: interstate73 on September 23, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: artmalk on September 23, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
An obscure unbuilt highway was the ill-fated Route 178. it would have been a freeway spur from the unbuilt section of the Route 24 freeway west of Morristown, to I-80. The intersection probably would have been exit 40 or 41 of I-80. It would have been parallel to Route 53 and probably very close to my home in Parsippany. The road was never built because opponents pointed out that it would have destroyed the semi-rural character of the area. Yet the alignment appeared on some maps even after the road was effectively dead.
Well good thing they didn't build it! Thanks to that decision the semi-rural character of the area was preserved and is still maintained today! :spin:
And Route 53 is a bucolic two-lane with no traffic :D
Indeed! I have many fond memories of cruising down pastoral country lanes like Speedwell Avenue and 53 with nary another car in sight! :-D
Who can forget John Denver's Song?
Country Roads
Take Me Home
To the place, I belong
New Jersey
My Route 53 song parody:
🎼🎵If you're planning a trip somewhere, don't take this highway. It doesn't go anywhere!
Not much to see on Route 53!
Well it's a short trip in N.J. Only 4.66 miles all the way!
Not much to see on Route 53!
Well it goes through Denville, Parsippany and Morris Plains.
And that's it.
Not much to see on Route 53!🎶
Quote from: kernals12 on September 24, 2020, 08:04:33 AM
Quote from: interstate73 on September 24, 2020, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2020, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: interstate73 on September 23, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: artmalk on September 23, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
An obscure unbuilt highway was the ill-fated Route 178. it would have been a freeway spur from the unbuilt section of the Route 24 freeway west of Morristown, to I-80. The intersection probably would have been exit 40 or 41 of I-80. It would have been parallel to Route 53 and probably very close to my home in Parsippany. The road was never built because opponents pointed out that it would have destroyed the semi-rural character of the area. Yet the alignment appeared on some maps even after the road was effectively dead.
Well good thing they didn't build it! Thanks to that decision the semi-rural character of the area was preserved and is still maintained today! :spin:
And Route 53 is a bucolic two-lane with no traffic :D
Indeed! I have many fond memories of cruising down pastoral country lanes like Speedwell Avenue and 53 with nary another car in sight! :-D
Who can forget John Denver's Song?
Country Roads
Take Me Home
To the place, I belong
New Jersey
Earlier this year, I misspelled the name of that song as "Country Toads."
Quote from: kernals12 on September 23, 2020, 12:29:03 AM
Kurumi has covered Connecticut's unbuilt highways quite nicely and enough has already been written about Robert Moses' plans for New York City, but New Jersey's unbuilt highways seem to have not have gotten as much attention, and there were a lot of them
From this statement, I'm guessing you're not familiar with Steve Anderson's websites, specifically nycroads.com and phillyroads.com
Quote from: froggie on September 24, 2020, 09:09:35 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on September 23, 2020, 12:29:03 AM
Kurumi has covered Connecticut's unbuilt highways quite nicely and enough has already been written about Robert Moses' plans for New York City, but New Jersey's unbuilt highways seem to have not have gotten as much attention, and there were a lot of them
From this statement, I'm guessing you're not familiar with Steve Anderson's websites, specifically nycroads.com and phillyroads.com
Where do you think I found out about all these routes?
Your statement "seem to have not gotten as much attention" suggests you didn't know. Steve has given plenty of attention to them.
Quote from: froggie on September 24, 2020, 09:37:34 AM
Your statement "seem to have not gotten as much attention" suggests you didn't know. Steve has given plenty of attention to them.
He didn't make any maps.
He has links to regional maps. Furthermore, for many of those unbuilt highways, maps showing their actual alignment are either hard to come by, or the alignment was never finalized.
Somewhere on this forum, somebody embedded an image of an old pamphlet about the New Jersey Turnpike that showed proposed routes for several (certainly not all) of the unbuilt highways. I found it interesting to view, and it was easier to view on my iPad due to the easier ability to zoom an image on there, but I simply don't remember who posted it, when, or in what thread, and I don't remember any of the text terms in the post to help me search for it.
A few of these advanced far enough to have borings, and you can find the associated plans by burrowing through: https://njgin.state.nj.us/DOT_GDMS/
Quote from: Alps on September 24, 2020, 06:00:25 PM
A few of these advanced far enough to have borings, and you can find the associated plans by burrowing through: https://njgin.state.nj.us/DOT_GDMS/
Good find
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2020, 07:43:03 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on September 23, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: BrianP on September 23, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
What's up with the eastern end of unbuilt NJ 90. I've only heard of it ending at NJ 73 after crossing the NJTPK.
NYC roads said that it would terminate in Mount Laurel. I crudely went based on that.
It would have gone at least to 295, possibly beyond.
Speaking of, here's the plan from the GDMS for the 90 freeway tie-in to Route 73: https://geo.nj.gov/arcgis/rest/services/Transportation/NJDOT_GDMS/MapServer/1/2194/attachments/1466
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 24, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Somewhere on this forum, somebody embedded an image of an old pamphlet about the New Jersey Turnpike that showed proposed routes for several (certainly not all) of the unbuilt highways. I found it interesting to view, and it was easier to view on my iPad due to the easier ability to zoom an image on there, but I simply don't remember who posted it, when, or in what thread, and I don't remember any of the text terms in the post to help me search for it.
I found it by searching. njroadfan posted it and here's the link (which worked when I tried it just now):
http://s820.photobucket.com/user/njroadfan/library/NJTP%20Booklet
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 26, 2020, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 24, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Somewhere on this forum, somebody embedded an image of an old pamphlet about the New Jersey Turnpike that showed proposed routes for several (certainly not all) of the unbuilt highways. I found it interesting to view, and it was easier to view on my iPad due to the easier ability to zoom an image on there, but I simply don't remember who posted it, when, or in what thread, and I don't remember any of the text terms in the post to help me search for it.
I found it by searching. njroadfan posted it and here's the link (which worked when I tried it just now):
http://s820.photobucket.com/user/njroadfan/library/NJTP%20Booklet
Doesn't work for me
Quote from: Mr. Matté on September 27, 2020, 07:27:22 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 26, 2020, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 24, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Somewhere on this forum, somebody embedded an image of an old pamphlet about the New Jersey Turnpike that showed proposed routes for several (certainly not all) of the unbuilt highways. I found it interesting to view, and it was easier to view on my iPad due to the easier ability to zoom an image on there, but I simply don't remember who posted it, when, or in what thread, and I don't remember any of the text terms in the post to help me search for it.
I found it by searching. njroadfan posted it and here's the link (which worked when I tried it just now):
http://s820.photobucket.com/user/njroadfan/library/NJTP%20Booklet
Doesn't work for me
It works.
Quote from: Alps on September 27, 2020, 08:27:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on September 27, 2020, 07:27:22 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 26, 2020, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 24, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Somewhere on this forum, somebody embedded an image of an old pamphlet about the New Jersey Turnpike that showed proposed routes for several (certainly not all) of the unbuilt highways. I found it interesting to view, and it was easier to view on my iPad due to the easier ability to zoom an image on there, but I simply don't remember who posted it, when, or in what thread, and I don't remember any of the text terms in the post to help me search for it.
I found it by searching. njroadfan posted it and here's the link (which worked when I tried it just now):
http://s820.photobucket.com/user/njroadfan/library/NJTP%20Booklet
Doesn't work for me
It works.
That doesn't mean it works for everyone. It says the album is set to private.
It's weird, I was able to view it the other day when I found that link, but now when I try to view it I can't see it. I don't remember what I searched for to find it on the forum, though.
Edited to add: Here's the original post where he linked it. I remember I had mentioned that it was easier to read when I used my iPad because I could zoom in more easily than I could on my PC, so searching for "iPad" and "zoom" with my username led me to it.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8610.msg236469#msg236469
The pictures are on Photobucket. Only a select group of people will ever be allowed to see them now.
I also remember a bypass planned around Glassboro for US 322. I believe that would have commenced from the US 322 and US 130 cloverleaf and tied into the ACE somewhere near Williamstown I read someplace.