NFL (2024 Season)

[thspfc]

Love's season was a lot closer to Stroud's than people want to think. I guess that's a product of fans falling in love with the shiny new toy on the upstart underdog team. Stroud is that, Love is not. His second half of the year, and into the postseason, was better than Stroud's.

I think Love is a fringe Top 10 guy.

Mahomes is currently in a category of his own.

Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Stroud and Herbert are in the next tier. Rodgers might be here also but he's old and coming off a major injury.

Tua, Goff, Lawrence, Stafford, Prescott, Hurts and Purdy are guys I'd take over Love right now but he could easily surpass any or all of them.

Would not take Cousins or Murray over Love at all.

This aligns pretty well with my list, except I'm taking Love over Tua, Purdy, Lawrence, Stafford, and Dak as well. (Wouldn't trash Cousins like that, he belongs with the above guys, but I wouldn't take him over Love either.) That puts the following guys in front of him:

- Mahomes
- Allen
- Burrow
- Lamar
- Stroud
- Herbert
- Hurts
- Goff (total 50/50)

Love over Rodgers should be a no-brainer at this point. Love had a better year last season - by a lot - than Rodgers did with the same team in 2022. Since then Rodgers tore his achilles and has not completed a pass in what will be over a year and a half.

[JayhawkCO]

Love's season was a lot closer to Stroud's than people want to think. I guess that's a product of fans falling in love with the shiny new toy on the upstart underdog team. Stroud is that, Love is not. His second half of the year, and into the postseason, was better than Stroud's.

I think Love is a fringe Top 10 guy.

Mahomes is currently in a category of his own.

Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Stroud and Herbert are in the next tier. Rodgers might be here also but he's old and coming off a major injury.

Tua, Goff, Lawrence, Stafford, Prescott, Hurts and Purdy are guys I'd take over Love right now but he could easily surpass any or all of them.

Would not take Cousins or Murray over Love at all.

This aligns pretty well with my list, except I'm taking Love over Tua, Purdy, Lawrence, Stafford, and Dak as well. (Wouldn't trash Cousins like that, he belongs with the above guys, but I wouldn't take him over Love either.) That puts the following guys in front of him:

- Mahomes
- Allen
- Burrow
- Lamar
- Stroud
- Herbert
- Hurts
- Goff (total 50/50)

Love over Rodgers should be a no-brainer at this point. Love had a better year last season - by a lot - than Rodgers did with the same team in 2022. Since then Rodgers tore his achilles and has not completed a pass in what will be over a year and a half.

To clarify my position, this isn't about drafting a dynasty fantasy football team. I'm not saying "which is the better QB to build my team around", which is a much different conversation than "who is the best QB now". I don't think there's any way you can say Love is a better QB than Rodgers. If you're down six with 3:00 left in the 4th quarter, there's no way you'd rather have Love than Rodgers (assuming he's healthy).

[NWI_Irish96]

Love's season was a lot closer to Stroud's than people want to think. I guess that's a product of fans falling in love with the shiny new toy on the upstart underdog team. Stroud is that, Love is not. His second half of the year, and into the postseason, was better than Stroud's.

I think Love is a fringe Top 10 guy.

Mahomes is currently in a category of his own.

Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Stroud and Herbert are in the next tier. Rodgers might be here also but he's old and coming off a major injury.

Tua, Goff, Lawrence, Stafford, Prescott, Hurts and Purdy are guys I'd take over Love right now but he could easily surpass any or all of them.

Would not take Cousins or Murray over Love at all.

This aligns pretty well with my list, except I'm taking Love over Tua, Purdy, Lawrence, Stafford, and Dak as well. (Wouldn't trash Cousins like that, he belongs with the above guys, but I wouldn't take him over Love either.) That puts the following guys in front of him:

- Mahomes
- Allen
- Burrow
- Lamar
- Stroud
- Herbert
- Hurts
- Goff (total 50/50)

Love over Rodgers should be a no-brainer at this point. Love had a better year last season - by a lot - than Rodgers did with the same team in 2022. Since then Rodgers tore his achilles and has not completed a pass in what will be over a year and a half.

To clarify my position, this isn't about drafting a dynasty fantasy football team. I'm not saying "which is the better QB to build my team around", which is a much different conversation than "who is the best QB now". I don't think there's any way you can say Love is a better QB than Rodgers. If you're down six with 3:00 left in the 4th quarter, there's no way you'd rather have Love than Rodgers (assuming he's healthy).

I'd rather have Love behind the Packers offense than Rodgers behind the Jets offense.

[JayhawkCO]

But same teammates and situation? It's Rodgers all day.

[webny99]

^ All I'm saying is a somewhat similar strategy worked out OK for the Packers with Jordan Love and even better for the Chiefs with Mahomes. Even though the financials here are a bit different, the fact that they just paid Cousins so much money is arguably the worse move. It's a unique approach, but too early to say for sure that it was a bad move since the projected upside is long-term rather than immediate. If the pick hits, the contract stuff won't matter as much, and certainly won't be a talking point in 5+ years.

"If the pick hits" applies to every draft pick ever, so by that logic, why does anyone waste time discussing the draft at all?

Of course you want the pick to hit, but the contract stuff is more about the value of QB relative to other positions. It's the only position with true franchise altering upside, but the downside isn't much worse than drafting a bust receiver or tackle in part because they have Cousins - see how the 49ers are a perennial contender despite Trey Lance being a total bust. The Falcons coach/GM haven't earned that trust yet, but this is a big statement that they expect to be a good team right away, and if they are, the contracts and picks stuff will be forgotten pretty quickly.

[thspfc]

Love's season was a lot closer to Stroud's than people want to think. I guess that's a product of fans falling in love with the shiny new toy on the upstart underdog team. Stroud is that, Love is not. His second half of the year, and into the postseason, was better than Stroud's.

I think Love is a fringe Top 10 guy.

Mahomes is currently in a category of his own.

Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Stroud and Herbert are in the next tier. Rodgers might be here also but he's old and coming off a major injury.

Tua, Goff, Lawrence, Stafford, Prescott, Hurts and Purdy are guys I'd take over Love right now but he could easily surpass any or all of them.

Would not take Cousins or Murray over Love at all.

This aligns pretty well with my list, except I'm taking Love over Tua, Purdy, Lawrence, Stafford, and Dak as well. (Wouldn't trash Cousins like that, he belongs with the above guys, but I wouldn't take him over Love either.) That puts the following guys in front of him:

- Mahomes
- Allen
- Burrow
- Lamar
- Stroud
- Herbert
- Hurts
- Goff (total 50/50)

Love over Rodgers should be a no-brainer at this point. Love had a better year last season - by a lot - than Rodgers did with the same team in 2022. Since then Rodgers tore his achilles and has not completed a pass in what will be over a year and a half.

To clarify my position, this isn't about drafting a dynasty fantasy football team. I'm not saying "which is the better QB to build my team around", which is a much different conversation than "who is the best QB now". I don't think there's any way you can say Love is a better QB than Rodgers. If you're down six with 3:00 left in the 4th quarter, there's no way you'd rather have Love than Rodgers (assuming he's healthy).

No, I'd rather have Love than Rodgers. To quote Shaq, I don't think you're familiar with Love's game.

Love had a better year last season - by a lot - than Rodgers did with the same team in 2022. Since then Rodgers tore his achilles and has not completed a pass in what will be over a year and a half.

[JayhawkCO]

I watched him plenty last year. We'll obviously agree to disagree.

[SEWIGuy]

Prescott, Tua, Goff, Purdy, Murray and Rodgers are not better than Jordan Love. That's a laughable take.

There isn't a Packer fan in the world that would take Rodgers back over Love. Anyone could see the offense was 100x better last year.

[JayhawkCO]

And surely the only difference between the two seasons is the QB, right?

[SEWIGuy]

And surely the only difference between the two seasons is the QB, right?

It pretty much was yes. They had Jayden Reed at WR in '23, but lost Alan Lazard from '22. But by and large the main contributors on offense and on the OL were all the same.

Rodgers drop off from '21 to '22 was significant, and statistically worse across the board than Love in '23.

[epzik8]

If I were a Falcons fan, I'd be pissed. Thankfully I think my Vikes had a good night.

Kirk continues to get completely shafted. I hate it.

Kirk Cousins gets overrated because he's historically replaced really bad quarterbacks and seemed like a savior by comparison. There's a reason two other teams moved on from him.

The Falcons' mistake of giving him such a huge contract in the first place shouldn't have been compounded by passing on a very high-ceiling talent like Penix. I've maintained all along that he's the 2nd best QB in this draft.

No offense, but this still does nothing to stop my sentimental love of Kirk.

[Ted$8roadFan]

A case could be made (and maybe was) for not giving Cousins a max contract given his age, injury history, quality of play, etc. But the Falcons did, and by drafting Penix they've created quarterback controversy before their first OTAs. A bad look if nothing else.

[epzik8]

A case could be made (and maybe was) for not giving Cousins a max contract given his age, injury history, quality of play, etc. But the Falcons did, and by drafting Penix they've created quarterback controversy before their first OTAs. A bad look if nothing else.

Shame how the Falcons are starting to become an example of embarrassing management and poor communication.

[Henry]

Jason Kelce is going to ESPN as part of the Monday Night Countdown team:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/40052399/ex-eagles-center-jason-kelce-set-join-espn-monday-night-countdown

And speaking of players going into broadcasting, another new member of the club is Matt Ryan, who will replace not one, but two QBs (Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason) on The NFL Today.

[epzik8]

Would be pretty hilarious if Mariota and Brissett are both week 1 starters.

[jgb191]

I'm also still holding judgement on Love's future career. He is nowhere near Mahomes' level and I doubt he will ever be a top 10 QB in the league.

Love is a top 10 QB right now . . .

Looks like we're back to this, eh?  I can think of, off the top of my head, 15 QBs that are better.

Mahomes
Lamar
Allen
Burrow
Stroud
Herbert
Rodgers
Cousins
Hurts
Goff
Lawrence
Prescott
Murray
Purdy
Tua

Wait....What?  You said WHAT??!!  This may be the first time in human history that a Texans QB is ever ranked in the Top Five?  I'm downright shocked!  Especially since I'm still hearing debates if CJ Stroud is even a top five QB in Texans history after only his rookie season.

[JayhawkCO]

They weren't in a particular order. I started doing the order and then quick referenced a list of current starting QBs. I didn't think he's top 5 alas. Top 10, sure.

[jgb191]

They weren't in a particular order. I started doing the order and then quick referenced a list of current starting QBs. I didn't think he's top 5 alas. Top 10, sure.

My Top Five:
Patrick Mahomes
Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen
Brock Purdy
Justin Herbert

I'm also going to make a bold scheduling prediction (to be officially announced sometime before the end of this month):  My Texans are going to be playing in Jerry's World on Thanksgiving Day!