END signs

[paulthemapguy]

M-85 END:

85Mend by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

I could tell where that photo was just by scrolling past it really quickly! When I was in downtown Detroit, it was disappointing to find the US Route 12 eastern end marker missing, but measly M-85 gets an end marker and a begin marker...

Here are a few end markers I found in South Carolina last June.

East end of US78 in Charleston:

SC-US78ST by Paul Across America, on Flickr

East end of US521 in Georgetown:

SC-US521ET by Paul Across America, on Flickr

East end of US176 just north of Charleston:

SC-US176-US52EJ by Paul Across America, on Flickr

[Max Rockatansky]

M-85 END:

85Mend by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

I could tell where that photo was just by scrolling past it really quickly! When I was in downtown Detroit, it was disappointing to find the US Route 12 eastern end marker missing, but measly M-85 gets an end marker and a begin marker...

Didn't find one for M-5 either on this trip. 

[Rothman]

END! Schuyler County 8 (NY):



END! NY 225 in Corning, NY:



END! Steuben County 123 (NY):



END! NY 225 in Elmira, NY:



END! NY 352:



END! NY 320 (wouldn't be one of my posts without a fuzzy photo in the dark through a buggy windshield):

[chrisg69911]

END Passaic County CR 651
https://maps.app.goo.gl/B7xK8kTXQBFMibHE8

[74/171FAN]

@Rothman Talking about overlapping trips, I got the NY 352 and CR 8 Ends yesterday (though CR 8 was more me avoiding the village of Watkins Glen heading south to NY 224 with NASCAR at Watkins Glen this weekend)

[Rothman]

END! NY 222:



END! Delaware County 1:



END! PA 652:



END! NY 210:



END! NY 82:

[Rothman]

END! Bear Mountain Parkway:

[Max Rockatansky]

NV 431 END:

431NVend by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

[paulthemapguy]

^I have a shot of that same assembly from April 2015!


067 NV-28 by Paul Across America, on Flickr

I also have a shot of the eastern end of NV-28 farther east:


068 NV-28 by Paul Across America, on Flickr

And IIRC these are the only two Nevada state highway photos I have ever taken 

[Max Rockatansky]

Seems I have the NV 28 END assembly also:

https://flic.kr/p/2bKfDtQ

[vegas1962]

Didn't find one for M-5 either on this trip. 

This "M-5 ENDS" sign has existed in the field for at least five years.  M-5 officially ends at the corner of Grand River Ave and Cass Ave, even though Grand River runs a few more blocks past this point.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3348357,-83.055131,3a,39.3y,124.96h,85.3t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1snYp368uahEuCWkK-Tq-cHQ!2e0!5s20201001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.703090288644503%26panoid%3DnYp368uahEuCWkK-Tq-cHQ%26yaw%3D124.9568092020603!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[mrsman]

Didn't find one for M-5 either on this trip. 

This "M-5 ENDS" sign has existed in the field for at least five years.  M-5 officially ends at the corner of Grand River Ave and Cass Ave, even though Grand River runs a few more blocks past this point.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3348357,-83.055131,3a,39.3y,124.96h,85.3t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1snYp368uahEuCWkK-Tq-cHQ!2e0!5s20201001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.703090288644503%26panoid%3DnYp368uahEuCWkK-Tq-cHQ%26yaw%3D124.9568092020603!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

That is interesting.  It seems that they made M-5 end there since that was the end of the two-way portion of Grand River.  In my experience, it seems unusual to end a state highway at some place other than another state highway, especially when there are other highways only a few blocks away.  (For example having M-5 follow Cass so that it can end at US 12 on Michigan Ave or even continue in such a way so that it ends as Campus Martius.

[Rothman]

END! NY 30A:



END! NY 254 (thought taking pics further back would provide more context.  Experiment failed):



END! NY 197:



END! NY 28A (probably will be replaced soon due to new bridge construction):



end NY 42:



END! NY 395:



END! NY 165 (required fuzzy pic):



END! Madison County 10 (required buggy windshield pic):



END! NY 365:

[Flint1979]

M-85 END:

85Mend by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

I could tell where that photo was just by scrolling past it really quickly! When I was in downtown Detroit, it was disappointing to find the US Route 12 eastern end marker missing, but measly M-85 gets an end marker and a begin marker...

Here are a few end markers I found in South Carolina last June.

East end of US78 in Charleston:

SC-US78ST by Paul Across America, on Flickr

East end of US521 in Georgetown:

SC-US521ET by Paul Across America, on Flickr

East end of US176 just north of Charleston:

SC-US176-US52EJ by Paul Across America, on Flickr

Back about 20 years ago the signs downtown were a mess, they still had US-10 signs for the Lodge Freeway instead of M-10 signs, there was even still a US-25 sign on Gratiot up until about 2000 that was removed a long time ago though.

[Flint1979]

M-85 END:

85Mend by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

I could tell where that photo was just by scrolling past it really quickly! When I was in downtown Detroit, it was disappointing to find the US Route 12 eastern end marker missing, but measly M-85 gets an end marker and a begin marker...

Didn't find one for M-5 either on this trip. 

It's strange how US-12 and M-5 both end at just random intersections downtown and not another state or US highway. If you can remember M-5 used to end at I-96 at exit 185 but was extended downtown in 2016 I'm surprised they didn't put up an end sign at Cass and Grand River though. I've looked in other places for the US-12 end sign and have never been able to locate one.

[Max Rockatansky]

Yes, the portion past Exit 185 was maintained as Old I-96 Business.  It never had signage from what I recall.  It makes way more sense to have it as an extension of M-5.

[mrsman]

Are all of these Downtown Detroit streets that are signed as state highways maintained by the state DOT or are they "touring routes" that are signed as state highways to provide navigational continuity with the state highways  that emanate from the city?

If the latter, I would say it is a very good thing because the navigational continuity does help the motoring public.  I would also say that so many of the routes should be routed in a way to end at other routes (like at Jefferson or at Campus Martius) similar to the way that there are US highways that end in Cleveland's Public Square. 

[Max Rockatansky]

They are maintained by MDOT.  For what it is worth I've found that urban Trunklines are signed way better than what is seen in Ohio.  Unless one has advanced knowledge of how a US Route is aligned through Cleveland they are hard to follow due to poor signage.  Public Square doesn't really have much of any route sign they realigned traffic around the permitter.

[Flint1979]

Yes, the portion past Exit 185 was maintained as Old I-96 Business.  It never had signage from what I recall.  It makes way more sense to have it as an extension of M-5.

Yeah that is true. All the state highways that end downtown just end at random intersections rather than another state highway. It makes sense for all of them to come downtown though.

[Flint1979]

Are all of these Downtown Detroit streets that are signed as state highways maintained by the state DOT or are they "touring routes" that are signed as state highways to provide navigational continuity with the state highways  that emanate from the city?

If the latter, I would say it is a very good thing because the navigational continuity does help the motoring public.  I would also say that so many of the routes should be routed in a way to end at other routes (like at Jefferson or at Campus Martius) similar to the way that there are US highways that end in Cleveland's Public Square.

All of the state, US and interstate highways are maintained by MDOT. They extended M-5 from where it used to end at I-96's exit 185 to downtown at Middle Street and Cass probably about 7-8 years ago.

[Flint1979]

They are maintained by MDOT.  For what it is worth I've found that urban Trunklines are signed way better than what is seen in Ohio.  Unless one has advanced knowledge of how a US Route is aligned through Cleveland they are hard to follow due to poor signage.  Public Square doesn't really have much of any route sign they realigned traffic around the permitter.

At least it's not like Indiana where they have a gap in the cities and the same state highway on both sides.

[Max Rockatansky]

They are maintained by MDOT.  For what it is worth I've found that urban Trunklines are signed way better than what is seen in Ohio.  Unless one has advanced knowledge of how a US Route is aligned through Cleveland they are hard to follow due to poor signage.  Public Square doesn't really have much of any route sign they realigned traffic around the permitter.

At least it's not like Indiana where they have a gap in the cities and the same state highway on both sides.

I wonder how much Detroit's lack of ability to maintain its own road infrastructure plays a factor?  The shrinking tax base in the city wasn't helping before I moved.  Things didn't appear to be better on the local streets outside of downtown that I used.