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Title: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 07, 2021, 01:09:19 PM
I've been on a trip to O'ahu the past four days.  That being the case I took a copious amount of road photos in between doing other stuff.  Below are the dedicated highway albums:

I-H1 from HNL to downtown Honolulu:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/i5m492

HI 61 Pali Highway:

https://flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/sets/72157720169350835

HI 63 Likelike Highway

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/x3X35Q

I-H201:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/50044e

I-H3

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/18cD83

HI 72 Kalaniana'ole Highway

https://flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/sets/72157720120430841

I'll probably post some individual road photos from Waikiki, Pearl Harbor and other places that caught my eye when I get a chance.  I'll be using this as a catch all thread for upcoming Gribblenation blogs.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Alps on November 08, 2021, 12:17:29 AM
A little late for me now, but is there button copy still up? If so I'll dig through.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 08, 2021, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: Alps on November 08, 2021, 12:17:29 AM
A little late for me now, but is there button copy still up? If so I'll dig through.

Haven't seen anything on the highways I've driven.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 09, 2021, 03:47:11 PM
Some more photo albums from O'ahu.

HI 83 from HI 61 to Kualoa Ranch:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmX5YZy5

Old HI 83 Kaneohe Bay:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmX6Tz6z

I also put together a dedicated shield gallery:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmX6U18i

Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: JayhawkCO on November 09, 2021, 04:28:13 PM
Nice pics sir.  I've only passed through Hawai'i on my way to other places, so I need to actually get there for some road geekery.

Chris
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: RZF on November 09, 2021, 09:27:38 PM
When I went to Oahu in 2019, I found it very interesting that all the road signs on the interstates and state routes were signed in Clearview.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 12, 2021, 04:56:00 PM
First up in the blog series; HI 61 and the Pali Highway:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/11/hawaii-route-61-pali-highway.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 12, 2021, 10:59:47 PM
Ah!  I'm having rage flashbacks for wet pavement on the Pali.  :-D Not only does it constantly rain, but the goddamn groundwater seeps across the highway at a few places further aggravating attempts to get good pavement data on the Honolulu side of the tunnel.
In all the years I've been involved in Hawaii HPMS pavement collection, I don't think we've ever gotten the Pali Highway in one pass.

Anyway, great post.  Always cool to get a bit of the history of interesting roads like this one.
I'm always impressed by how sharp that Koolau Ridge is.  Stark reminder of how powerful the forces of erosion are in a place that gets that much rain.  And, of course, the fascinating geology of hot spot island vulcanism.  Seems like getting through without a tunnel would be an impressive feat.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: MarkF on November 13, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
I was there back in September.  I notice I-H201 going eastbound still has some references to its old numbering, HI 78.  On eastbound I-H1 past the exit to I-H201 (near Aloha Stadium), it looks like someone hand painted the HI 92 shield on this sign sometime since Google maps last documented it in 2019:
https://goo.gl/maps/2ZPf5sdzUc5SyfJDA (https://goo.gl/maps/2ZPf5sdzUc5SyfJDA)
Unfortunately I wasn't able to get a photo of it, did you happen go by there?

Here's a video from that trip of the Pali Hwy HI 61 going south from the windward side to Honolulu.  They put speed humps in a couple of spots along the route.
https://youtu.be/SKpCjbXnSC8
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 13, 2021, 09:23:20 AM
Unfortunately I was on a tour bus when I did H-201 eastbound but I don't recall any HI 78 references.  I did find a n HI 78 reference at NS Pearl Harbor:

https://flic.kr/p/2mHDKdg
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Kniwt on November 13, 2021, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: MarkF on November 13, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
Here's a video from that trip of the Pali Hwy HI 61 going south from the windward side to Honolulu.  They put speed humps in a couple of spots along the route.

Is that 45mph speed limit seriously enforced? As justified as it may be, if this were CA 17 south of Los Gatos (which, except for the tunnels, this reminded me of), the average speed on a road like that would likely be 65-70mph.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 13, 2021, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: Kniwt on November 13, 2021, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: MarkF on November 13, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
Here's a video from that trip of the Pali Hwy HI 61 going south from the windward side to Honolulu.  They put speed humps in a couple of spots along the route.

Is that 45mph speed limit seriously enforced? As justified as it may be, if this were CA 17 south of Los Gatos (which, except for the tunnels, this reminded me of), the average speed on a road like that would likely be 65-70mph.

I know this wasn't directed at me but I saw very little evidence outside of Waikiki of speed enforcement on O'ahu.  I was generally going 10 MPH over the speed limit on the Pali Highway and I was being passed frequently.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 13, 2021, 09:56:06 PM
Stumbled upon this while researching Interstate H-1.  Definitely worth a read:

https://www.interstate-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/routes/001/i-h003-history.pdf
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 13, 2021, 11:53:17 PM
Next up in the blogs is Interstate H-1:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/11/interstate-h-1.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 20, 2021, 02:10:43 PM
Next up; HI 63 and the Likelike Highway:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/11/hawaii-route-63-likelike-highway.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 23, 2021, 05:37:28 PM
Next up; Interstate H-201:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/11/interstate-h-201-moanalua-freeway.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2021, 04:59:19 PM
Next up Kalakaua Avenue:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/kalakaua-avenue-honolulu.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2021, 10:59:21 AM
75 minute Roadcast between me and Dan Murphy of RoadwayWiz regarding roads on O'ahu:

https://anchor.fm/gribblenation/episodes/Just-Passing-Through-010---A-Discussion-on-the-Interstates-and-other-Highways-of-Oahu--Hawaii-with-Gribblenations-Challenger-Tom-e1bjtmh
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 18, 2021, 11:06:34 PM
Admiral Clarey Bridge:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/admiral-clarey-bridge-naval-station.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2021, 04:24:58 PM
Interstate H-3:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/interstate-h-3.html

Plus notable locales in downtown Honolulu I couldn't find a way to incorporate into a highway blog:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/notable-locales-in-downtown-honolulu.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: jflick99 on December 23, 2021, 05:44:16 AM
Haven't been on the forum in a while, so I'm just now getting to this. I can elaborate on some of these.

Quote from: MarkF on November 13, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
I notice I-H201 going eastbound still has some references to its old numbering, HI 78.

All references to the Moanalua Freeway on H-1 approaching the Halawa interchange (near Aloha Stadium) use HI-78, with the one exception being an advance guide sign at the exit for HI-99 WB (https://goo.gl/maps/WtX4wwBiBAss5GHG8). The signs for Aiea (https://goo.gl/maps/ec42BHbe2wdC8ckm8) even have HI-78 West despite the fact that the freeway ends at that interchange. All of the BGSs at the HI-99/Salt Lake Blvd intersection have been updated since GSV was last there. HI-78 East was replaced with I-H201 shields, but a couple of the signs still show the Aiea access as HI-78 West. The on-ramp from Middle St to H-201 WB (https://goo.gl/maps/o3gpzhNPfzt5sMAq7) is still signed as HI-78 as well.

Quote from: Alps on November 08, 2021, 12:17:29 AM
A little late for me now, but is there button copy still up? If so I'll dig through.

I've seen one button copy sign (https://goo.gl/maps/MM73sWZNqAqcm9vP8) on the Aiea Access Rd heading toward Pearl Harbor.

Some additional comments about some things brought up in the podcast:
I'll add more later if I think of anything else.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 24, 2021, 09:56:33 PM
H-2 to round out the Interstates:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/interstate-h-2.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 25, 2021, 05:43:15 PM
Hawaii Route 72:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/hawaii-route-72-kalanianaole-highway.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: froggie on December 26, 2021, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 18, 2021, 11:06:34 PM
Admiral Clarey Bridge:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/admiral-clarey-bridge-naval-station.html

I have photos from driving on the bridge itself, since I was active duty at the time and actually stayed on Ford Island for a couple days.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2021, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: froggie on December 26, 2021, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 18, 2021, 11:06:34 PM
Admiral Clarey Bridge:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/admiral-clarey-bridge-naval-station.html

I have photos from driving on the bridge itself, since I was active duty at the time and actually stayed on Ford Island for a couple days.

DOD worker myself.  If I was alone on the trip I totally would have driven over the bridge and taken H-3 all the way into MCBH.  That's how I have photos of Old US 1 on Boca Chica Key on Midway Avenue. 
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: oscar on December 26, 2021, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2021, 10:27:26 AM
DOD worker myself.  If I was alone on the trip I totally would have driven over the bridge and taken H-3 all the way into MCBH.

H-3 ends before the U-turn/parking area turnoff in front of the sentries. So those of us without the "perks of service" (my military dependent ID expired when I turned 21) can clinch H-3 that way.

I took a shuttle to the U.S.S. Missouri on Ford Island, over the Clarey Bridge. No bridge photos allowed, alas. I was able to take some photos of the bridge from land on my first visit to Oahu, But on a later visit (armed with a wider-angle lens so I could cover the entire bridge in one close-up shot) I encountered signs forbidding photography of the bridge. 
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2021, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: oscar on December 26, 2021, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2021, 10:27:26 AM
DOD worker myself.  If I was alone on the trip I totally would have driven over the bridge and taken H-3 all the way into MCBH.

H-3 ends before the U-turn/parking area turnoff in front of the sentries. So those of us without the "perks of service" (my military dependent ID expired when I turned 21) can clinch H-3 that way.

I took a shuttle to the U.S.S. Missouri on Ford Island, over the Clarey Bridge. No bridge photos allowed, alas. I was able to take some photos of the bridge from land on my first visit to Oahu, But on a later visit (armed with a wider-angle lens so I could cover the entire bridge in one close-up shot) I encountered signs forbidding photography of the bridge.

The signage seems to have been removed.  I didn't recall seeing anything on the U.S.S. Arizona tour and got a couple nice long shots of the bridge.  That's not too dissimilar to like signage disappearing/being relaxed from mostly Administrative annexes in the Navy the past decade.  I don't even recall seeing "photography prohibited"  at the last several bases I've been too at all.  I was really caught off guard a couple years ago when the Post Grad School in Monterey had staff at the Gateway actively telling people to take photos of the Hotel del Monte.     

Regarding H-3 I was aware of the turnaround.  Several of my passengers (six of them) were already in need of the restroom which necessitated taking the Kaneohe Bay Drive Exit to the Starbucks. 
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: oscar on December 26, 2021, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 25, 2021, 05:43:15 PM
Hawaii Route 72:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/hawaii-route-72-kalanianaole-highway.html

A few questions/notes:

-- Did you see any of these Hawaii 72 markers with the state name on them (http://www.hawaiihighways.com/route72.jpg)? AFAIK, there were at some point three of them on Hawaii 72, but nowhere else in Hawaii except on the old-style cutout markers that haven't yet been stolen. The state-named Hawaii 72 marker I'm most familiar with is somewhere south of Kailua, in the counter-clockwise direction. You, and Dan Murphy (Roadwaywiz), traveled the highway clockwise. I haven't had a chance to finish viewing Dan's videos.

-- The Hawaiian prince for whom the Kalanianaole Highway was named, also had "Kuhio" in his name, with streets and highways (most famously Kuhio Avenue on Waikiki) bearing that name. Between those two names, he has more Hawaiian streets and highways named for him than Kamehameha the Great.

-- "Kalanianaole" is one of the hardest-to-pronounce Hawaiian road names. As you note, such names were a major reason for the temporary Hawaii numbered route system the Army established just before and during World War II, to help keep mainland troops from getting lost. The modern-day Queen Liliuokalani Freeway is also up there.

-- Talking about a proposed Hawaii business transaction with an old mainland friend representing the companies in question, I teasingly challenged her to say "Kalanianaole" three times in a row. She couldn't. We had a chuckle about that.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2021, 01:01:39 PM
Pertaining to my photos none of them had "Hawaii"  in the crest of any 72 shields.  That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Dan captured something with his video tours.  Once I turned west I was hitting some serious sundown glare which really limited time what I could capture.

Some of the Hawaiian highway and road names are far beyond what I can pronounce accurately.  There was a couple times I avoided saying names on the Roadcast because I didn't want to butcher a name.  I'll probably pick up on more of the pronunciations as times go on like I did with French and Spanish beforehand.

Speaking of Dan, we might continue with the O'ahu series with stuff he got in 2019 that I didn't.  I want to say between the two of us we might have clinched O'ahu, but I would have to check his video logs.  One omission I plan on going for whenever I revisit O'ahu would be the abandoned Farrington Highway at Ka'ena Point.  It would be neat to document what the 1946 Army Day Map has to say and get a full log of early Hawaii Route and Military Routes.  To my knowledge there isn't any maps of the other islands showing what WWII era routes might have existed there.

Worth noting, in my discussions with Dan there is some differences between the signage he saw in 2019 versus 2021.  Dan's video inventory can be found below, he has over 200 entries for O'ahu:

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv2139njdKjW8JDvMYBrMS7XKU0ewBmbE
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2021, 07:07:00 PM
Hawaii Route 83:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/hawaii-route-83.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 10:38:46 PM
Created a hub page for the Gribblenation and Roadwaywiz O'ahu media.  The blog section obviously will expand as I write them:

https://www.gribblenation.org/p/gribblenation-oahu-highways-page.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 11:48:21 PM
Proposed Interstate H-4 through Honolulu:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/paper-highways-interstate-h-4-through.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: oscar on December 30, 2021, 01:00:48 AM
See http://www.hawaiihighways.com/FAQs-page4.htm#Interstate-plans for my take on the proposed Interstate H-4, which is pretty much in line with Max's.

I'd add that possibly dooming the proposal from the get-go was that the proposed viaduct would've had a visual impact on Honolulu's waterfront similar to that of the then-recently-built (and since demolished) Embarcadero Freeway in San Francisco. One striking similarity would've been the viaduct's impact on Honolulu's iconic Aloha Tower, much like how the Embarcadero detracted from San Francisco's Ferry Building and its tower.

So no surprise to me that Hawaii DOT's proposal drew strong local opposition, perhaps stoked by Hawaiians who had seen what the Embarcadero had done to San Francisco's waterfront. That might explain the ill-fated alternative of putting part of H-4 underwater, and other less-developed (but equally doomed) exploration of an offshore "reef highway". But it might also have been that the H-4 proposal simply lost out to mainland proposals competing for newly-authorized Interstate mileage and associated funding, and Hawaii DOT by then had soured on the idea of building H-4 as a non-Interstate with less favorable Federal funding.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2022, 10:09:43 PM
^^^

Noted, I'll be sure to link your thoughts on the H-4 page on Gribblenation.

Next up in the series; Hawaii Route 92:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-92.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: oscar on January 05, 2022, 10:43:48 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2022, 10:09:43 PM
Next up in the series; Hawaii Route 92:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-92.html

The above notes that route 92 (Nimitz Highway) for a time paralleled route 90 (part of the Kamehameha Highway) north of the airport, before the latter was folded into the former, with the merged route under the new Interstate H-1 Airport Viaduct. Here's a 1951 photo from Hawaii DOT (http://www.hawaiihighways.com/kamehameha+nimitz-hwys-large.jpg), showing the two routes before they were merged. See also one of my site's photo pages (http://www.hawaiihighways.com/photos-Oahu4.htm), with some notes on the above photo and the associated history.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 07, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Hawaii Route 64:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-64.html

HI 64 was actually way more interesting than I thought it might be.  I found a map scan of the low tide road that used to exist between Honolulu and Quarantine Island which was pretty neat to see.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 07, 2022, 06:03:12 PM
I could tell the older of the two bridges used to be a moveable span when I was there.  Nice to learn a little more backstory on the bridge.  Historic maps are cool in areas that now have a lot of landfill.  And that area around the harbor and the airport has its share.  Probably the most Oahu has expanded in the last million years (at present sea level ;) ).

Sand Island is where one goes to pick up a vehicle shipped from the mainland or drop one off for shipment back to the mainland.  Still have my Matson keychain they gave me when I dropped off our collection vehicle in 2015.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2022, 08:33:22 PM
^^^

What I thought was really neat to find was a map showing the low tide road that used to be present before the island was expanded via fill.

Next up, the weirdness of whatever the hell is going on with Hawaii Route 65/Hawaii Route 630:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-65-and-630.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
Hawaii Route 95

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-95.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
It has been a slow day, so I did a little bit more writing:

Hawaii Route 98
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-98-vineland-boulevard.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2022, 11:33:29 PM
Slow night so here is HI 750/former HI 75:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-750-kunia-road-former.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Bruce on January 20, 2022, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
It has been a slow day, so I did a little bit more writing:

Hawaii Route 98
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-98-vineland-boulevard.html

Isn't it Vineyard Boulevard?
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 20, 2022, 09:27:34 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 20, 2022, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
It has been a slow day, so I did a little bit more writing:

Hawaii Route 98
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-98-vineland-boulevard.html

Isn't it Vineyard Boulevard?

Yes, I went back and corrected.  I had been starring at a blog I did on Vineland, Florida since it was apparently viewed 1,600 times this past week right before I started HI 98.  I wonder if that bled into my brain when I was writing since there was about a 80/20 split of Vineland/Vineyard.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 20, 2022, 11:23:11 PM
Hawaii Route 80:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-80.html

Sadly it seems the 1972 spec Hawaii 80 shield Dan saw has since disappeared.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2022, 05:39:45 PM
The apparently still field signed Hawaii Route 803:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-803.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: oscar on January 21, 2022, 07:59:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2022, 05:39:45 PM
The apparently still field signed Hawaii Route 803:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-803.html

Quote
According to hawaiihighways.com Hawaii Route 803 was at one point assigned as Honolulu County Route 803.  It is unclear what the actual status of Hawaii Route 803 is given it is signed with modern Hawaii Route shields.

Hawaii county routes are usually signed (if at all) with route markers identical to state route markers. This is most obvious on Maui, Kauai, and Hawaii (Big Island) islands, which have many more numbered county routes than Oahu.

Hawaii used to have a combined route system, including both state- and county-maintained highways. Around 1968, separate systems were established for state and county routes, with some routes moved from one system to the other. Usually, this was the state fobbing off the worst routes (including the ones it had no plans to ever pave) on the counties. But up to 1968, route markers for both state- and county-maintained highways were all cutouts, so the remnant 803 markers you saw must've postdated the transfer of 803 to Honolulu County.

I found that and other history of the early post-statehood highway system(s) in Hawaii in the state library in Honolulu, and the 5th floor of the main University of Hawaii library. That UH library also had a map collection in the basement, including the Army Day map I photocopied, stitched together as best I could, and posted on my site. Regrettably, soon thereafter a rainstorm flooded the basement, destroying most or all of its contents.

I called the Honolulu County transportation department in the early 2000s, as I was revamping the Hawaii Highways site, about what was included in the county's numbered highway system. I was told that the county no longer maintained a numbered highway system. However, there is one county route (unsigned 7414, part of Middle Street in Honolulu) which was included in the state route log, perhaps because it was included in the National Highway System as a connector to the Ft. Shafter Army base.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2022, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: oscar on January 21, 2022, 07:59:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2022, 05:39:45 PM
The apparently still field signed Hawaii Route 803:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/hawaii-route-803.html

Quote
According to hawaiihighways.com Hawaii Route 803 was at one point assigned as Honolulu County Route 803.  It is unclear what the actual status of Hawaii Route 803 is given it is signed with modern Hawaii Route shields.

Hawaii county routes are usually signed (if at all) with route markers identical to state route markers. This is most obvious on Maui, Kauai, and Hawaii (Big Island) islands, which have many more numbered county routes than Oahu.

Hawaii used to have a combined route system, including both state- and county-maintained highways. Around 1968, separate systems were established for state and county routes, with some routes moved from one system to the other. Usually, this was the state fobbing off the worst routes (including the ones it had no plans to ever pave) on the counties. But up to 1968, route markers for both state- and county-maintained highways were all cutouts, so the remnant 803 markers you saw must've postdated the transfer of 803 to Honolulu County.

I found that and other history of the early post-statehood highway system(s) in Hawaii in the state library in Honolulu, and the 5th floor of the main University of Hawaii library. That UH library also had a map collection in the basement, including the Army Day map I photocopied, stitched together as best I could, and posted on my site. Regrettably, soon thereafter a rainstorm flooded the basement, destroying most or all of its contents.

I called the Honolulu County transportation department in the early 2000s, as I was revamping the Hawaii Highways site, about what was included in the county's numbered highway system. I was told that the county no longer maintained a numbered highway system. However, there is one county route (unsigned 7414, part of Middle Street in Honolulu) which was included in the state route log, perhaps because it was included in the National Highway System as a connector to the Ft. Shafter Army base.

I'll be sure to update said blog with the information regarding the creation of the County Route systems during the late 1960s.  It's too bad the information you found libraries hasn't found it's way online.  I searched the obvious places like archive.org but didn't come up with much.  But for what it's worth that is mostly in line with DOT information for most states.  Suffice to say having a wealth of readily available information is an exception and not the rule.  I wonder how easily those state routes logs are to come by these days?  That almost seems like something that would find it's way onto an DOT website.

Worth noting that Dan did capture a HI 80 shield with "Hawaii"  in the crest on what was HI 80/County 801.  I'm to understand since that photo capture in 2019 the shield has since disappeared. 


Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2022, 02:33:43 PM
Back onto O'ahu blogs with Former Hawaii Route 90:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/former-hawaii-route-90.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Mapmikey on March 05, 2022, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 26, 2021, 12:17:03 PM

-- Did you see any of these Hawaii 72 markers with the state name on them (http://www.hawaiihighways.com/route72.jpg)? AFAIK, there were at some point three of them on Hawaii 72, but nowhere else in Hawaii except on the old-style cutout markers that haven't yet been stolen. The state-named Hawaii 72 marker I'm most familiar with is somewhere south of Kailua, in the counter-clockwise direction. You, and Dan Murphy (Roadwaywiz), traveled the highway clockwise. I haven't had a chance to finish viewing Dan's videos.

Oddly, this HI 90 cutout (https://goo.gl/maps/Prb3bukXjMwp5tsQA) was replaced with a state name shield (https://goo.gl/maps/pCxAJW4d9Uan1VJE6) between 2011-19.

Don't know how rare these are, but while trying to remember where I saw the HI 90 cutout in GMSV a few years back, I ran across this new state named interstate shield (https://goo.gl/maps/PhxT5gtJaWsbmmZs6), which replaced a mini-unishield state name assembly.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2022, 06:02:45 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 05, 2022, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 26, 2021, 12:17:03 PM

-- Did you see any of these Hawaii 72 markers with the state name on them (http://www.hawaiihighways.com/route72.jpg)? AFAIK, there were at some point three of them on Hawaii 72, but nowhere else in Hawaii except on the old-style cutout markers that haven't yet been stolen. The state-named Hawaii 72 marker I'm most familiar with is somewhere south of Kailua, in the counter-clockwise direction. You, and Dan Murphy (Roadwaywiz), traveled the highway clockwise. I haven't had a chance to finish viewing Dan's videos.

Oddly, this HI 90 cutout (https://goo.gl/maps/Prb3bukXjMwp5tsQA) was replaced with a state name shield (https://goo.gl/maps/pCxAJW4d9Uan1VJE6) between 2011-19.

Don't know how rare these are, but while trying to remember where I saw the HI 90 cutout in GMSV a few years back, I ran across this new state named interstate shield (https://goo.gl/maps/PhxT5gtJaWsbmmZs6), which replaced a mini-unishield state name assembly.

The State Name Interstate shields aren't current spec but there is still quite a few on O'ahu.  There are a bunch of older Interstate shields on surface roads, especially in Honolulu.
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 12:06:08 AM
HI 7310 and former HI 66.

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/hawaii-route-7310-and-former-hawaii.html?m=1
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 11:30:44 PM
HI 7012 and seemingly also HI 804?

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/hawaii-route-7012.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 08, 2022, 11:14:43 PM
HI 8930

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/hawaii-route-8930.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2022, 11:11:27 PM
HI 99, down to the last couple blogs for Oahu. 

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/hawaii-route-99.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2022, 04:38:22 PM
The Farrington Highway, this one is an eight-chapter blog given the huge amount of route numbering designations:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/farrington-highway-hawaii-routes-93-99.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 18, 2022, 12:04:18 AM
A directory on the World War II highway system on Oahu:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/director-of-world-war-ii-highway-system.html
Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 19, 2022, 07:47:05 PM
The final entry on Gribblenation is the unsigned Hawaii Routes on Oahu.  Expect to see a Roadwaywiz episode coming up on Oahu likely next month:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/03/the-unsigned-hawaii-routes-of-oahu.html

Title: Re: O’ahu
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2022, 11:25:18 PM
Roadwaywiz Webinar with three Gribblenation members to close out O'ahu: