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Odd Complete Removal of Old US 62/277 & Old SH 9 NE of Blanchard OK

Started by Brian556, December 10, 2018, 10:07:22 PM

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Brian556

Normally, in Oklahoma, old highway alignments are abandoned but left intact. Bridges are often removed, but the highway leading up to them is basically never removed. So, why, in this case, were they so thorough in the removal?

The old US 62/277 headed east from Blanchard on 300th St. You can see traces of where it curved northeast off of 300th St just east of McArthur Av. It crossed the North Fork Of Walnut Creek, and followed Meridian Av back to the current alignment

Also, on 1936 map, you can see that SH 9 dips south of the current alignment. It would have intersected US 62 on the section that is now Meridian Av. It, too was very well removed, and only faint traces of it can be seen. A dirt wheel path road traces some of it. It looks like the US 62/277/ SH 9 intersection  would have been here:https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1637905,-97.6000996,174m/data=!3m1!1e3. The old SH 9 would have rejoined the current highway here:https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1817743,-97.5718894,349m/data=!3m1!1e3

Google Map of Area: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1564763,-97.6209699,5579m/data=!3m1!1e3

The 1936 General Highway Map shows the old routes still in use:https://dc.library.okstate.edu/digital/collection/OKMaps/id/6986/rec/5

The 1942 General Highway Map shows the old US 62/277 still intact:
https://dc.library.okstate.edu/digital/collection/OKMaps/id/7035/rec/6


Bobby5280

Quote from: Brian556Normally, in Oklahoma, old highway alignments are abandoned but left intact. Bridges are often removed, but the highway leading up to them is basically never removed. So, why, in this case, were they so thorough in the removal?

Maybe complete removal was a condition to be able to sell the property on the defunct right of way?


In_Correct

Quote from: Bobby5280 on December 10, 2018, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: Brian556Normally, in Oklahoma, old highway alignments are abandoned but left intact. Bridges are often removed, but the highway leading up to them is basically never removed. So, why, in this case, were they so thorough in the removal?

Maybe complete removal was a condition to be able to sell the property on the defunct right of way?

Yes of course.

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It seems that is what ODOT does now where applicable. This is much nicer than just removing bridges without replacing them.

Also, it is probably necessary to sell old right of way to pay for new right of way.
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bugo

Part of the area the old highway went through appears to have been plowed.

NE2

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Brandon

Interesting.  Reminiscent of what WisDOT tends to do, obliterate any trace of the previous routing/highway.

Quote from: NE2 on December 11, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
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And what, do tell, does this have to do with the topic?  Post drunk much?
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In_Correct

Quote from: Brandon on December 11, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Interesting.  Reminiscent of what WisDOT tends to do, obliterate any trace of the previous routing/highway.

Quote from: NE2 on December 11, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Fart Smock.

And what, do tell, does this have to do with the topic?  Post drunk much?

I wonder what would happen if they sold the old alignment without removing the road surface. Could the road surface be used as a building foundation and / or parking lot?
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US71

Quote from: In_Correct on December 11, 2018, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 11, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Interesting.  Reminiscent of what WisDOT tends to do, obliterate any trace of the previous routing/highway.

Quote from: NE2 on December 11, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Fart Smock.

And what, do tell, does this have to do with the topic?  Post drunk much?

I wonder what would happen if they sold the old alignment without removing the road surface. Could the road surface be used as a building foundation and / or parking lot?

There's a section of US 60 at Aurora, MO that's now commuter parking.  https://goo.gl/maps/QXQjCFfzwN42
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Brian556

Quote from: In_Correct on December 11, 2018, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 11, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Interesting.  Reminiscent of what WisDOT tends to do, obliterate any trace of the previous routing/highway.

Quote from: NE2 on December 11, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Fart Smock.

And what, do tell, does this have to do with the topic?  Post drunk much?

I wonder what would happen if they sold the old alignment without removing the road surface. Could the road surface be used as a building foundation and / or parking lot?

I very frequently see landowners having placed buildings on old highways. Here's an example at Reams, OK: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0644513,-95.7010817,175m/data=!3m1!1e3

rte66man

Quote from: Brian556 on December 12, 2018, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: In_Correct on December 11, 2018, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 11, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Interesting.  Reminiscent of what WisDOT tends to do, obliterate any trace of the previous routing/highway.

Quote from: NE2 on December 11, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Fart Smock.

And what, do tell, does this have to do with the topic?  Post drunk much?

I wonder what would happen if they sold the old alignment without removing the road surface. Could the road surface be used as a building foundation and / or parking lot?

I very frequently see landowners having placed buildings on old highways. Here's an example at Reams, OK: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0644513,-95.7010817,175m/data=!3m1!1e3

Between Kingfisher and Dover on US81:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8995593,-97.9346055,671m/data=!3m1!1e3

The fenceline is east of the old pavement.

Also:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9309637,-97.9196306,947m/data=!3m1!1e3

and north of Hennessey:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1271485,-97.8892891,649m/data=!3m1!1e3
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US71

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bugo



Quote from: Brian556 on December 12, 2018, 07:52:22 PM
I very frequently see landowners having placed buildings on old highways. Here's an example at Reams, OK: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0644513,-95.7010817,175m/data=!3m1!1e3

Is that an old alignment of US 69? If so it was once US 73 and the Jefferson Highway before that.

Brian556

Quote from: bugo on December 13, 2018, 01:27:06 AM


Quote from: Brian556 on December 12, 2018, 07:52:22 PM
I very frequently see landowners having placed buildings on old highways. Here's an example at Reams, OK: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0644513,-95.7010817,175m/data=!3m1!1e3

Is that an old alignment of US 69? If so it was once US 73 and the Jefferson Highway before that.


Yes, its old, old US 69



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