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Regional Boards => Great Lakes and Ohio Valley => Topic started by: Scott5114 on September 04, 2022, 07:06:00 PM

Poll
Question: Shall the Ohio Valley board be removed and its contents incorporated into other boards?
Option 1: For the proposal - YES votes: 66
Option 2: Against the proposal - NO votes: 28
Title: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Scott5114 on September 04, 2022, 07:06:00 PM
It was brought up recently that Ohio Valley is, unlike any of the other boards, primarily made up of split states. Some users have said that splitting states between different boards makes things more difficult. If they have a statewide interest, they have to check two different forums. When posting a new topic it can be difficult to decide which board it should go in. Closing the Ohio Valley board would thus greatly reduce the number of split states.

Thus, the following is hereby proposed:

  • Kentucky, in its entirety, will be moved to one of the surrounding regions, as determined by a poll on the subject (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32115).
  • Central/Southern/Western West Virginia will be moved to one of the surrounding regions, as determined by a poll on the subject (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32116.0).
  • The remaining states (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania) will be moved to the regions the remainder of the state is in. (PA will go to Northeast, all other states to Midwest.)

Edited to add: The intent would be for the border to be "fuzzed" around the metro areas. Metro Cincinnati topics would go to Midwest and metro Louisville topics would go to whichever board Kentucky ends up in.

This poll will be open for seven days. Feel free to leave your feedback in this thread–we want to make sure this change makes the forum easier to use for you!
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: hbelkins on September 04, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
Things are fine the way they are. Leave them be. My vote is "no."
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: SkyPesos on September 04, 2022, 07:19:53 PM
Since it's a real possibly that this change could happen now, sticking with my yes vote like in the other thread. The Ohio River is a better border between regions than some imaginary line just south of I-70 that we can't decide on where it is. And it's better for statewide discussions, like the "[State] Notes" threads.

As for which board to move KY and WV to, IMO Kentucky is much more southern than midwestern, and the rest of WV could be moved to Mid-Atlantic so it can be with Eastern WV.

And then the two major bridge projects threads (I-69 Evansville, and Brent Spence Bridge in Cincinnati), it could go either way. Evansville and Cincinnati are the largest cities concerned, so it could be moved to Midwest. But KTC is the one maintaining the bridges, so it could go in whatever board KY gets moved to, assuming it's not Midwest.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: vdeane on September 04, 2022, 09:00:40 PM
Since PA would be moving Northeast, would this be just the part in Ohio Valley, or all of it, including the part in Midwest/Great Lakes?  And if the latter, what would that mean for the part of NY in Midwest/Great Lakes (which would become an exclave if not also moved)?
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: ran4sh on September 04, 2022, 10:02:46 PM
I would just move Kentucky to Midwest due to the projects that cross the Ohio River into Midwest states. Whereas the Kentucky-Tennessee border isn't really splitting up anything major.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Scott5114 on September 04, 2022, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 04, 2022, 09:00:40 PM
Since PA would be moving Northeast, would this be just the part in Ohio Valley, or all of it, including the part in Midwest/Great Lakes?  And if the latter, what would that mean for the part of NY in Midwest/Great Lakes (which would become an exclave if not also moved)?

Yes, the idea would be to have all of NY and PA in Northeast.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: US 89 on September 05, 2022, 02:22:45 AM
Wait, after years of people bitching about all the ways they don't like the forum regions, something is actually going to change?

Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: tylert120 on September 05, 2022, 08:42:24 AM
Makes sense. I check the Northeast board for the PA thread and PA Turnpike thread, but then check the Ohio Valley board for Pittsburgh-related posts. I say put PA in the northeast where it belongs, and reassign the other states.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 05, 2022, 08:49:34 AM
I have no strong feelings on way or the other.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: MATraveler128 on September 05, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I'd say the board should be merged. Maybe merge the SW Pennsylvania thread in with the rest of the state.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 05, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 05, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I'd say the board should be merged. Maybe merge the SW Pennsylvania thread in with the rest of the state.

I would not support making any changes to the SW PA thread.  The general PA thread (like other general state threads) is huge enough as it is.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Henry on September 05, 2022, 10:03:55 AM
I like the ambiguity that this board has created, so I'm against the proposal.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: mrsman on September 05, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
I'm glad this is being considered, so I am a YES vote.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: mrsman on September 05, 2022, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 05, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 05, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I'd say the board should be merged. Maybe merge the SW Pennsylvania thread in with the rest of the state.

I would not support making any changes to the SW PA thread.  The general PA thread (like other general state threads) is huge enough as it is.

I don't think the individual "SW PA" thread is to be merged into other threads, but that the SW PA thread (and any other threads dealing with Western PA) would move to the Northeastern states board.  All southwest PA topics could still be kept together, without being included in a Midwestern board.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: skluth on September 05, 2022, 02:22:42 PM
I've always found the Ohio Valley section here weird as it's not typically a region when discussing the United States (as many states better fit other regions as mentioned above). I like SkyPesos's idea of moving Kentucky to the South and West Virginia to the Mid-Atlantic as that's (IMO) each state's best fit though both are difficult to place. It could also be argued adding Kentucky to the Great Lakes region as there are fewer joint projects between Kentucky and Tennessee despite sharing a long border. But I'm good with whatever the consensus is.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: mrsman on September 05, 2022, 02:42:18 PM
Should a notice about this poll be put in place in Great Lakes (and possibly other affected forums) since they will be largely affected by new threads?  It may also lead to a larger sample of the forum population finding out about the poll.  Even though I have my opinion, I do want to do want to follow what the majority want to do.

Great Lakes, of course, is most affected since most of the split-states in OV are states that are split with Great Lakes, and it would be good to inform IL, IN, and OH folks.

Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 05, 2022, 02:48:29 PM
After about 13-14 years, I'm pretty used to things the way they are... and have a pretty decent idea what I'm gonna get here.  Re-arranging may put some things out-of-sight / out-of mind.   So, my vote is "no".

Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 05, 2022, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 05, 2022, 02:22:45 AM
Wait, after years of people bitching about all the ways they don't like the forum regions, something is actually going to change?



No, not necessarily. It's a vote, and while majority will probably rule, ultimately it's a non-binding vote and the admins will ultimately decide to make the changes or leave as is.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: ilpt4u on September 05, 2022, 05:02:16 PM
Living in Southern IL, I'll vote "Yes"  to dissolve the Ohio Valley

I'd almost like to IL moved into Central States over Midwest, but I dont think that will happen
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: 3467 on September 05, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
In had started a Southern Illinois notes. That could be switched to a Downstate Illinois notes. I lean yes. It's easier to divide Illinois this way instead of which interstate..80 74 72 70?
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on September 05, 2022, 06:09:32 PM
I voted yes for this idea.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 05, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
Those who are crying the loudest don't like in "this region" and outside of playing on Google Earth & Maps, have not even visited this region.
:thumbdown:
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: ilpt4u on September 05, 2022, 09:48:33 PM
Quote from: 3467 on September 05, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
In had started a Southern Illinois notes. That could be switched to a Downstate Illinois notes. I lean yes. It's easier to divide Illinois this way instead of which interstate..80 74 72 70?
Growing up in Chicagoland, I would have said anything south of I-80 is Southern IL

Having lived in Carbondale for 6 years now, I'd say south of either US 50 or I-70 is Southern IL
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: SkyPesos on September 06, 2022, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 05, 2022, 09:48:33 PM
Growing up in Chicagoland, I would have said anything south of I-80 is Southern IL
Reminds me of NYCers thinking anything north of Westchester County is upstate, and Bostonians thinking Worcester is Central MA and anything west of that is Western MA.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: webny99 on September 06, 2022, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 05, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 05, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I'd say the board should be merged. Maybe merge the SW Pennsylvania thread in with the rest of the state.

I would not support making any changes to the SW PA thread.  The general PA thread (like other general state threads) is huge enough as it is.

I agree with you there, but it could remain intact and just be moved to Northeast board if this ends up happening.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Scott5114 on September 06, 2022, 07:06:34 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 05, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 05, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I'd say the board should be merged. Maybe merge the SW Pennsylvania thread in with the rest of the state.

I would not support making any changes to the SW PA thread.  The general PA thread (like other general state threads) is huge enough as it is.

That seems like an argument for locking both general threads and actually making new threads for new topics to me.

But people like their massive no-purpose threads for some reason. I don't get it, myself.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Roadsguy on September 06, 2022, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 06, 2022, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 05, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 05, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I'd say the board should be merged. Maybe merge the SW Pennsylvania thread in with the rest of the state.

I would not support making any changes to the SW PA thread.  The general PA thread (like other general state threads) is huge enough as it is.

I agree with you there, but it could remain intact and just be moved to Northeast board if this ends up happening.

I could've sworn there was also a Northwest PA thread in the Midwest board, but apparently not, because now I can't find it.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 06, 2022, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 06, 2022, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 06, 2022, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 05, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 05, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I'd say the board should be merged. Maybe merge the SW Pennsylvania thread in with the rest of the state.

I would not support making any changes to the SW PA thread.  The general PA thread (like other general state threads) is huge enough as it is.

I agree with you there, but it could remain intact and just be moved to Northeast board if this ends up happening.

I could've sworn there was also a Northwest PA thread in the Midwest board, but apparently not, because now I can't find it.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25510.0  (for the Bayfront Pkwy)
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: ITB on September 08, 2022, 05:02:22 PM

Yes. Let's bring states together under one board.

Indiana – Midwest, Great Lakes
Minnesota – Midwest, Great Lakes
Illinois – Midwest, Great Lakes
Ohio – Midwest, Great Lakes
Pennsylvania – Northeast
West Virginia – Mid-Atlantic
Tennessee – Southeast
Mississippi – Southeast
Louisiana – Southeast

Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Dirt Roads on September 08, 2022, 08:28:10 PM
I don't really have a preference.  However, after reviewing several other comments I would like to put forward my two-cents worth.

Quote from: Scott5114 on September 04, 2022, 07:06:00 PM
It was brought up recently that Ohio Valley is, unlike any of the other boards, primarily made up of split states. Some users have said that splitting states between different boards makes things more difficult. If they have a statewide interest, they have to check two different forums. When posting a new topic it can be difficult to decide which board it should go in. Closing the Ohio Valley board would thus greatly reduce the number of split states.

Quote from: Scott5114 on September 04, 2022, 07:06:00 PM
Edited to add: The intent would be for the border to be "fuzzed" around the metro areas. Metro Cincinnati topics would go to Midwest and metro Louisville topics would go to whichever board Kentucky ends up in.

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 07, 2022, 08:27:25 AM
<snipped> Culturally, Kentucky is tied more to Tennessee and the southeast, but because of the Ohio River, road projects are more tied to Indiana and Ohio. I think of grouping states in terms of shared road projects more than traditional geographic divisions.
Quote from: webny99 on September 08, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
However, trying to keep metro areas in a single region is a big reason why we had split states to begin with. If split states is what we're trying to avoid, it makes the most sense to just use geographical divisions.

I can't find the specific quote, but someone on one of the forums made a related comment about the State-themed threads being too large and too general.  That's not as true about West Virginia and Kentucky, but it is certainly true about Ohio and Pennsylvania.  Looking at this from the 25,000-foot viewpoint, it seems like the State-themed threads are the wrong venue for catch-all discussions.  They make a lot of sense for DOT-related issues, but not regional issues or corridor-specific issues.

Secondly, there has been a recent trend to "pin" the State-themed threads to the top of the Regional boards.  I might be totally wrong here, but this seems to indicate that the Moderators are needing to spend a lot of time reviewing and moderating the State-themed discussions.  Occasionally, I will see something on a State-themed thread get relocated to another board, but I didn't find much evidence that those threads have been a problem.  Except perhaps the Tolbs17 influence.

I'm certainly not opposed to the State-themed threads.  Here in North Carolina, our State-themed thread has the additional benefit of catching a lot of the "NCDOT is Slap-happy" sentiments (both ways).  I don't have a preference there either, but the dialogue can be amusing.  [Hopefully, I didn't offend NCDOT or any of its subsidiaries by this comment, as I'm still officially on call for some other DOT subsidiaries]. 
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: SkyPesos on September 08, 2022, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on September 08, 2022, 08:28:10 PM
I can't find the specific quote, but someone on one of the forums made a related comment about the State-themed threads being too large and too general.  That's not as true about West Virginia and Kentucky, but it is certainly true about Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Ohio's thread is by far the smallest of the state threads in the Midwest-Great Lakes board (only 30% of the pages of Indiana despite the state having 75% higher population than Indiana, for comparison) and isn't posted in as frequently as the other ones, so I think it's fine.

Could have more threads for each metro area (like the St Louis thread in the Central States board, so STL topics can go in there instead of the general Missouri thread), for those of us (like myself) that feel like we're "spamming" the forum if we post a thread for each question that's done after an answer.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Scott5114 on September 09, 2022, 01:23:02 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on September 08, 2022, 08:43:41 PM
for those of us (like myself) that feel like we're "spamming" the forum if we post a thread for each question that's done after an answer.

The better solution would be to get over that feeling. Not every thread has to reach two pages to be worthwhile. Consider that it is much easier for someone to find the answer to "Why does Ohio 1047 dead-end at an abandoned mineshaft?" in a thread titled "Why does Ohio 1047 dead-end at an abandoned mineshaft?" than if it's on page 11167 of the 132,183,463-page "Ohio General thread".
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Dirt Roads on September 09, 2022, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on September 08, 2022, 08:43:41 PM
for those of us (like myself) that feel like we're "spamming" the forum if we post a thread for each question that's done after an answer.

Quote from: Scott5114 on September 09, 2022, 01:23:02 AM
The better solution would be to get over that feeling. Not every thread has to reach two pages to be worthwhile. Consider that it is much easier for someone to find the answer to "Why does Ohio 1047 dead-end at an abandoned mineshaft?" in a thread titled "Why does Ohio 1047 dead-end at an abandoned mineshaft?" than if it's on page 11167 of the 132,183,463-page "Ohio General thread".

Regardless of whether a change is implemented, we as a Forum community ought to try harder to help make searches easier (and hopefully reduce the Moderator's workload). Me included. There's a ton of stuff that gets dumped into the North Carolina mega-thread that are specific to large urban regions like the Triangle, the Triad and Wilmington. 
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 09, 2022, 07:14:18 PM
I vote yes. The West Virginia split makes no sense and who knows where the line in the Midwest is. We have too many regional boards anyway.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Roadsguy on September 10, 2022, 09:29:51 AM
The obvious solution is to give West Virginia and Kentucky each their own board. :)
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: abqtraveler on September 15, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
I would suggest limiting the Ohio Valley page to the existing and proposed bridges over the Ohio River, as eliminating the Ohio Valley page would create a problem on where to put these crossings if Kentucky and West Virginia were placed in one region and Indiana and Ohio in another.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: SkyPesos on September 15, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on September 15, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
I would suggest limiting the Ohio Valley page to the existing and proposed bridges over the Ohio River, as eliminating the Ohio Valley page would create a problem on where to put these crossings if Kentucky and West Virginia were placed in one region and Indiana and Ohio in another.

Quote from: Scott5114 on September 04, 2022, 07:06:00 PM
Edited to add: The intent would be for the border to be "fuzzed" around the metro areas. Metro Cincinnati topics would go to Midwest and metro Louisville topics would go to whichever board Kentucky ends up in.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 03:11:46 AM
The merge is complete. Please keep an eye out for any threads that ended up in the wrong place and report them if they need to be moved!
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Henry on September 19, 2022, 12:33:10 PM
I see that the Midwest-Great Lakes and Ohio Valley boards are now one, and renamed to Great Lakes and Ohio Valley. That's a good compromise, as everything related to KY can remain in the new board, so I call it a win-win.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: vdeane on September 19, 2022, 12:55:02 PM
I found a couple threads for PA and NY in the former Midwest-Great Lakes board that haven't been moved to northeast: the Erie Bayfront Parkway (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25510.0) thread, and an ancient one I created (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1291.0) way back before it became clear that people were going to just put all NY discussion in the general thread in Northeast rather than follow the board descriptions.  There might be others; it might be worth a sweep to look for them.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: MATraveler128 on September 19, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
I also discovered that the new board now has two general “Ohio” threads both titled “Ohio” with the smaller one being from the former “Ohio Valley” board. Most Ohio discussion is generally put in the larger 30 page thread from the old “Midwest Great Lakes” board. Granted the smaller thread hasn’t been posted in since June. Maybe that one could be called “Southern Ohio” to minimize confusion similar to how SW Pennsylvania has a separate thread.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 19, 2022, 12:55:02 PM
I found a couple threads for PA and NY in the former Midwest-Great Lakes board that haven't been moved to northeast: the Erie Bayfront Parkway (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25510.0) thread, and an ancient one I created (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1291.0) way back before it became clear that people were going to just put all NY discussion in the general thread in Northeast rather than follow the board descriptions.  There might be others; it might be worth a sweep to look for them.

Moved.

Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 19, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
I also discovered that the new board now has two general "Ohio"  threads both titled "Ohio"  with the smaller one being from the former "Ohio Valley"  board. Most Ohio discussion is generally put in the larger 30 page thread from the old "Midwest Great Lakes"  board. Granted the smaller thread hasn't been posted in since June. Maybe that one could be called "Southern Ohio"  to minimize confusion similar to how SW Pennsylvania has a separate thread.

Merged.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: hotdogPi on September 19, 2022, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 19, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
I also discovered that the new board now has two general "Ohio"  threads both titled "Ohio"  with the smaller one being from the former "Ohio Valley"  board. Most Ohio discussion is generally put in the larger 30 page thread from the old "Midwest Great Lakes"  board. Granted the smaller thread hasn't been posted in since June. Maybe that one could be called "Southern Ohio"  to minimize confusion similar to how SW Pennsylvania has a separate thread.

Merged.

Doesn't that interleave the two threads, though? Or did one end after before the other started? [edit: fixed]
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 19, 2022, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 19, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
I also discovered that the new board now has two general "Ohio"  threads both titled "Ohio"  with the smaller one being from the former "Ohio Valley"  board. Most Ohio discussion is generally put in the larger 30 page thread from the old "Midwest Great Lakes"  board. Granted the smaller thread hasn't been posted in since June. Maybe that one could be called "Southern Ohio"  to minimize confusion similar to how SW Pennsylvania has a separate thread.

Merged.

Doesn't that interleave the two threads, though? Or did one end after the other started?

Isn't a state general thread just 87 interleaved threads already? What's the difference if it becomes 174 interleaved threads?
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: vdeane on September 19, 2022, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 19, 2022, 12:55:02 PM
I found a couple threads for PA and NY in the former Midwest-Great Lakes board that haven't been moved to northeast: the Erie Bayfront Parkway (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25510.0) thread, and an ancient one I created (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1291.0) way back before it became clear that people were going to just put all NY discussion in the general thread in Northeast rather than follow the board descriptions.  There might be others; it might be worth a sweep to look for them.

Moved.

Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 19, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
I also discovered that the new board now has two general "Ohio"  threads both titled "Ohio"  with the smaller one being from the former "Ohio Valley"  board. Most Ohio discussion is generally put in the larger 30 page thread from the old "Midwest Great Lakes"  board. Granted the smaller thread hasn't been posted in since June. Maybe that one could be called "Southern Ohio"  to minimize confusion similar to how SW Pennsylvania has a separate thread.

Merged.
Awesome, thanks!

I ended up combing the board myself and found two more.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7608.0
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4974.0
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: ran4sh on September 19, 2022, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 19, 2022, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 19, 2022, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on September 19, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
I also discovered that the new board now has two general "Ohio"  threads both titled "Ohio"  with the smaller one being from the former "Ohio Valley"  board. Most Ohio discussion is generally put in the larger 30 page thread from the old "Midwest Great Lakes"  board. Granted the smaller thread hasn't been posted in since June. Maybe that one could be called "Southern Ohio"  to minimize confusion similar to how SW Pennsylvania has a separate thread.

Merged.

Doesn't that interleave the two threads, though? Or did one end after the other started?

Isn't a state general thread just 87 interleaved threads already? What's the difference if it becomes 174 interleaved threads?

I agree
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Buck87 on September 20, 2022, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: 1 on September 19, 2022, 05:29:18 PM
Doesn't that interleave the two threads, though? Or did one end after before the other started? [edit: fixed]

You wanted them merged 5 years ago, now you have your wish

Quote from: 1 on January 04, 2017, 12:56:00 PM
We have two threads with the exact same name, and it might be hard to keep track of which is which. Merge?



Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Buck87 on September 20, 2022, 10:57:52 AM
Here are a couple more threads that could be merged and renamed to just "I-71 miscellany" 

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16300.msg2088847#msg2088847

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16299.msg2088844#msg2088844

The southern one never really got used. This would just fix the active one's awkward title that's no longer needed.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: skluth on September 20, 2022, 12:18:28 PM
While all this board cleanup is occurring, would it be possible to consolidate the individual state threads at the top of the Great Lakes/Ohio Valley thread list like those in the Mid-Atlantic, Pac SW, Mountain States, etc? Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: ran4sh on September 20, 2022, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: skluth on September 20, 2022, 12:18:28 PM
While all this board cleanup is occurring, would it be possible to consolidate the individual state threads at the top of the Great Lakes/Ohio Valley thread list like those in the Mid-Atlantic, Pac SW, Mountain States, etc? Just a suggestion.

I think each regional board does their own thing with respect to that. It's only recently that the Southeast board got the state threads pinned (except for Georgia which was the only state pinned on Southeast for a while)
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: Bickendan on September 21, 2022, 02:25:25 AM
The Minnesota thread should, at the very least, get the Minnesota shield icon. Makes it easier to find at a glance.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 21, 2022, 12:51:44 PM
If you are going to pin the states to the top, which is an idea I am fine with, there should be consistency in the thread titles.  My suggestion is to just use the state name, but if you are going to use "X Notes" it should be capitalized.
Title: Re: PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: Proposal to merge the Ohio Valley board
Post by: skluth on September 21, 2022, 01:03:02 PM
Looks good. Thanks.