Unpopular Anything Road-Related Opinions

[kphoger]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

[HighwayStar]

I don't like them, for a variety of reasons, and would happy for them to go away.

That's a terrible reason to think something should be banned.

for a variety of reasons is a very good reason, but I was not going to relist them all over again. And like it or not most positions boil down to preference anyway so its not that unique.

I will disagree with you insofar as you might be agreeing with the words "should be banned." I can't disagree with your statement that you "would be happy for them to go away," as that is distinctly different from banning something (and I recognize a lot of the earlier discussion was about the idea of banning them). I can think of some things I find extraordinarily annoying that I'd like to see go away–the #1 such thing is the portable basketball hoop the people two doors up the street have in their driveway–but that I would never even consider suggesting should be banned.

The wording was being succinct to avoid going into a long dissertation about undoing the distortion of CAFE via regulations, taxation, etc. with an intent realign the passenger vehicle market with more reasonable designs. But in any case a new thread has been established so I will differ to that one going forward.

[kphoger]

Continue discussion over here. Thanks.

I still don't know what that thread is about, because the topic is cryptic.

At least I know this discussion is on-topic, considering it's discussing a specific unpopular opinion.

[HighwayStar]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Ever been to Nutbush? 

[SectorZ]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Some people around here are just authoritarian dinks. There's nothing really to it more than that.

The true hallmark of a person's character is their rampant desire to ban stuff they don't like.

[SeriesE]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

True. It's more appropriate to regulate the maximum sound emissions and regularly checking in through inspections rather than banning such motorcycles wholesale.

[kphoger]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Ever been to Nutbush? 

Could someone please explain the joke to me?

[JayhawkCO]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

True. It's more appropriate to regulate the maximum sound emissions and regularly checking in through inspections rather than banning such motorcycles wholesale.

Shoot, Harley has a patent on that ridiculous sound (not necessarily the amount of sound, but I bet they'd fight a decibel restriction with their already granted sound patent).

Chris

[Tom958]

I don't really care about lane discipline. I think that people who avoid the right lane unless they're egregiously obstructing traffic are doing the public a favor by equalizing wear across the road surface.

I also don't care about button copy, though I'm mindful of it as a nod to other roadgeeks.

[kphoger]

I don't really care about lane discipline. I think that people who avoid the right lane unless they're egregiously obstructing traffic are doing the public a favor by equalizing wear across the road surface.

I understand your position.  I would personally rather have one lane get repaved every so often than have both lanes repaved half as often–just because I think it's less disruptive.  However, I also drive in Mexico often enough, on highways whose right lanes have been beaten up pretty badly by heavy trucks, that I respect the other side of the discussion.

I also don't care about button copy, though I'm mindful of it as a nod to other roadgeeks.

Yeah, I don't care about it either.  Maybe it's because I have no memories of it go get me all nostalgic.

[Ned Weasel]

However, I also drive in Mexico often enough, on highways whose right lanes have been beaten up pretty badly by heavy trucks, that I respect the other side of the discussion.

I-10 in New Mexico has been notorious for that.  You'd see people driving in the left lane just because it's the smooth lane.  I'm not sure if anything has changed in the last couple of years.

[kphoger]

Slower traffic should be allowed to drive on the shoulder.  It's specifically allowed by law in Texas, and other states should follow suit.

[hotdogPi]

Slower traffic should be allowed to drive on the shoulder.  It's specifically allowed by law in Texas, and other states should follow suit.

Massachusetts allows it on a few roads, but during rush hours (6-10 AM one direction, 3-7 PM the other) only. These stretches have paved emergency pulloffs about every 1/2 mile.

[HighwayStar]

Slower traffic should be allowed to drive on the shoulder.  It's specifically allowed by law in Texas, and other states should follow suit.

Massachusetts allows it on a few roads, but during rush hours (6-10 AM one direction, 3-7 PM the other) only. These stretches have paved emergency pulloffs about every 1/2 mile.

The only downside of that is it removes one conduit for emergency vehicles when things are very tight.

[kernals12]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Noise pollution is a real problem. They should definitely have mufflers.

[HighwayStar]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Noise pollution is a real problem. They should definitely have mufflers.

Well you just BANNED something, namely un-muffled motorcycles. I guess that makes you an authoritarian person of bad character now. 

[hotdogPi]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Noise pollution is a real problem. They should definitely have mufflers.

Well you just BANNED something, namely un-muffled motorcycles. I guess that makes you an authoritarian person of bad character now. 

kernals12 never said banning things was authoritarian. That was SectorZ.

[HighwayStar]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Noise pollution is a real problem. They should definitely have mufflers.

Well you just BANNED something, namely un-muffled motorcycles. I guess that makes you an authoritarian person of bad character now. 

kernals12 never said banning things was authoritarian. That was SectorZ.

I am fully aware of that. Its called sarcasm.

[formulanone]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Ever been to Nutbush? 

Could someone please explain the joke to me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutbush_City_Limits

Twenty-five was the speed limit
Motorcycle not allowed in it
You go t'the store on Fridays
You go to church on Sundays
They call it Nutbush, little old town
Oh, Nutbush
They call it Nutbush city limits

...On Highway 19...

[SeriesE]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

True. It's more appropriate to regulate the maximum sound emissions and regularly checking in through inspections rather than banning such motorcycles wholesale.

Shoot, Harley has a patent on that ridiculous sound (not necessarily the amount of sound, but I bet they'd fight a decibel restriction with their already granted sound patent).

Chris

Most efficient vehicles at converting gasoline to noise while generating no power!

[Hwy 61 Revisited]

Slower traffic should be allowed to drive on the shoulder.  It's specifically allowed by law in Texas, and other states should follow suit.

I think the I-80 project in Stroudsburg is using a pseudo-3-lane design with extra-wide shoulders to be used as extra lanes during periods of high traffic, effectively making it a 5-lane highway through a town of 4,000 people.

[oscar]

I dislike loud, Harley-type motorcycles, but I don't think they should be banned.

(Honestly, if bicycles and motorcycles were invented today, they'd never be allowed on the streets.)

Ever been to Nutbush? 

Could someone please explain the joke to me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutbush_City_Limits

Twenty-five was the speed limit
Motorcycle not allowed in it
You go t'the store on Fridays
You go to church on Sundays
They call it Nutbush, little old town
Oh, Nutbush
They call it Nutbush city limits

...On Highway 19...

Which is the Tina Turner Highway.

[interstatefan990]

Slower traffic should be allowed to drive on the shoulder.  It's specifically allowed by law in Texas, and other states should follow suit.

I think the I-80 project in Stroudsburg is using a pseudo-3-lane design with extra-wide shoulders to be used as extra lanes during periods of high traffic, effectively making it a 5-lane highway through a town of 4,000 people.

Don't you mean 4 lanes? I've never seen the left shoulder being used as an extra lane, only the right.

[Ned Weasel]

I've never seen the left shoulder being used as an extra lane, only the right.

The left shoulder is used as an extra lane on US 23 in Michigan.  https://goo.gl/maps/HRb52ttcTut1wtUx8

[hbelkins]

I don't like them, for a variety of reasons, and would happy for them to go away.

That's a terrible reason to think something should be banned.

I dunno. There are a lot of things that I'd be very happy to see disappear permanently. But that's not going to happen.