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[ixnay]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/66WQe4FyhyYKtQxX7

This is interesting. Control cities being used on a local road in Cape May County for the Parkway.

What am I missing? Seems standard.

Not for the Parkway. Usually you get a small shields with the two directions and the infamous entry trapezoid. Very rare you get control cities in NJDOT fashion for the Parkway.

Even NJ 440 don’t use them with the new sine salad in Woodbridge from the most recent resigning project. The SB 440 to SB Parkway has none even though Shore Points should be used there from one major highway to another.

I never thought of that trapezoid as infamous.  But if the NJHA thought that the trapezoid was designed to "say" "Garden State Parkway", they shot a brick.  Square or rectangular signs at the entrances would have done the job just as well.  That said, I don't have an opinion on the gargantuan green keystones at the PA Turnpike's entrances, but that's for that thread.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/66WQe4FyhyYKtQxX7

This is interesting. Control cities being used on a local road in Cape May County for the Parkway.

What am I missing? Seems standard.

Not for the Parkway. Usually you get a small shields with the two directions and the infamous entry trapezoid. Very rare you get control cities in NJDOT fashion for the Parkway.

Even NJ 440 don’t use them with the new sine salad in Woodbridge from the most recent resigning project. The SB 440 to SB Parkway has none even though Shore Points should be used there from one major highway to another.

I never thought of that trapezoid as infamous.  But if the NJHA thought that the trapezoid was designed to "say" "Garden State Parkway", they shot a brick.  Square or rectangular signs at the entrances would have done the job just as well.  That said, I don't have an opinion on the gargantuan green keystones at the PA Turnpike's entrances, but that's for that thread.

I’m rather fond of those signs. They’re unique and part of New Jersey just like the old Turnpike signs they were forced to give up.  I used infamous to be friendly sarcastic as I didn’t know what else to say as they’re only famous to us. Non road enthusiasts couldn’t care less what kind of sign is used.

[ixnay]

On the NJ Tpk. thread it was theorized that the toll gates on the nb off ramp and sb on ramp at GSP exit 4 (NJ 47) were designed to soak the motorists headed between the Cape May-Lewes Ferry and the Wildwoods.  Did the tolls at exit 4 exist prior to 1964?  The CMLF didn't begin service until the summer of 1964, almost a decade after the Parkway opened.

[Roadgeek2500]

On the NJ Tpk. thread it was theorized that the toll gates on the nb off ramp and sb on ramp at GSP exit 4 (NJ 47) were designed to soak the motorists headed between the Cape May-Lewes Ferry and the Wildwoods.  Did the tolls at exit 4 exist prior to 1964?  The CMLF didn't begin service until the summer of 1964, almost a decade after the Parkway opened.

This is an interesting theory, as those ramps didn't exist prior to the CMLF opening. According to Historic Aerials they were built between '63 and '70, so the case could be made that they were in fact trying to squeeze ferry traffic, or they were just attempting to subsidize the cost of the ramps themselves.

[roadman65]

Florida done that with an exit on I-4. You had 50 and 51 and you brought up a new interchange in between that received Exit 51 A going now Exits 50, 51A, and 51.

Now the mile based scheme changed that but 51A and 51 are part of Exit 101 being you have a two mile long collector distribution system and FL 417/429 among that since.

[jeffandnicole]

On the NJ Tpk. thread it was theorized that the toll gates on the nb off ramp and sb on ramp at GSP exit 4 (NJ 47) were designed to soak the motorists headed between the Cape May-Lewes Ferry and the Wildwoods.  Did the tolls at exit 4 exist prior to 1964?  The CMLF didn't begin service until the summer of 1964, almost a decade after the Parkway opened.

This is an interesting theory, as those ramps didn't exist prior to the CMLF opening. According to Historic Aerials they were built between '63 and '70, so the case could be made that they were in fact trying to squeeze ferry traffic, or they were just attempting to subsidize the cost of the ramps themselves.

Trying to do a perusal of the Internet looking for stories from 1963-1970, it's coming up blank regarding the interchange.

The intersection with (today's) NJ 109 and US 9, slightly to the west, received a substantial upgrade around the time of the Ferry's opening, making it easier to use US 9 North to NJ 47 to get to Wildwood.

However, at Exit 0, it's a reminder that the original interchange wasn't improved upon around the Ferry's opening.  The main throughput had sent traffic on Shore Road towards Cape May with a small median cutout to turn north as if it was a secondary thought.  Not only was this condition never improved upon when the Ferry opened, it remained in its original condition until 2014 when it finally received a much-needed revision. 

[roadman65]

On the NJ Tpk. thread it was theorized that the toll gates on the nb off ramp and sb on ramp at GSP exit 4 (NJ 47) were designed to soak the motorists headed between the Cape May-Lewes Ferry and the Wildwoods.  Did the tolls at exit 4 exist prior to 1964?  The CMLF didn't begin service until the summer of 1964, almost a decade after the Parkway opened.

This is an interesting theory, as those ramps didn't exist prior to the CMLF opening. According to Historic Aerials they were built between '63 and '70, so the case could be made that they were in fact trying to squeeze ferry traffic, or they were just attempting to subsidize the cost of the ramps themselves.

Considering you travel further north and can exit for free before the CM Mainline Plaza. Now I’m surprised that they didn’t put tolls on the new ramps to replace the at grades, but like from 129-140 and 80-83 where in 1986 when the Parkway assumed maintenance of the three original Parkway sections, that they also had the same deal where ramp tolls could never be put up if they assumed control. In Northern Middlesex and Union County who never paid tolls on ramps, there was concern about people never paying a toll for forty years would all of a sudden be charged tolls. So the state looked after its people and put a stipulation in effect during the sale.  Most likely that deal covered all state sections and not just two. Unlike Exit 74 that did add ramp tolls as well as SB Exit 77 who have tolls to defray the costs of those ramps. For decades Lacey Road was free until the interchange got improved due to queues from the former traffic signal at the ramp end spilled out onto the Parkway itself along with NB Parkway users cutting through the service area to access Lacey Road which prior to the nineties had no ramp. So the Authority was able to grant a ramp toll to defray the construction to ease burden on the other tolls.