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tolbs17

#4100
July 03, 2021, 09:57:06 PM  
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 03, 2021, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 09:34:31 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3853648,-76.9489962,3a,65y,21.56h,73.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjPX47Q2KtlaxqP3J9iYqFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm guessing the shoulders are 2 feet on the left and 6 or 8 feet on the right? Looks a little odd when comparing it to this.

And definitely not built to freeway standards. Median is too small and there is no cable barrier.
Those standards are specifically for interstate freeways. Not sure if non-interstate freeways have standards besides that it have to be limited access and maybe the 3.6 m lane width.
See the Maysville bypass.

sprjus4

#4101
July 03, 2021, 09:57:47 PM  
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 03, 2021, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 09:34:31 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3853648,-76.9489962,3a,65y,21.56h,73.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjPX47Q2KtlaxqP3J9iYqFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm guessing the shoulders are 2 feet on the left and 6 or 8 feet on the right? Looks a little odd when comparing it to this.

And definitely not built to freeway standards. Median is too small and there is no cable barrier.
Those standards are specifically for interstate freeways. Not sure if non-interstate freeways have standards besides that it have to be limited access and maybe the 3.6 m lane width.
See the Maysville bypass.
What about it?

SkyPesos

#4102
July 03, 2021, 10:00:48 PM  
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 03, 2021, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 09:34:31 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3853648,-76.9489962,3a,65y,21.56h,73.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjPX47Q2KtlaxqP3J9iYqFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm guessing the shoulders are 2 feet on the left and 6 or 8 feet on the right? Looks a little odd when comparing it to this.

And definitely not built to freeway standards. Median is too small and there is no cable barrier.
Those standards are specifically for interstate freeways. Not sure if non-interstate freeways have standards besides that it have to be limited access and maybe the 3.6 m lane width.
See the Maysville bypass.
Non-interstate freeways can be built up to interstate standards if they wanted too. Not saying that they can't and have to settle for a lower standard like those seen in a lot of urban areas.

tolbs17

#4103
July 06, 2021, 05:02:16 PM  
When will I-85 be widened in Orange County? That segment is older than I-40 and I feel like that's a higher priority than widening I-40, but it's the states decision I guess.

Dirt Roads

#4104
July 06, 2021, 06:33:22 PM  
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 06, 2021, 05:02:16 PM
When will I-85 be widened in Orange County? That segment is older than I-40 and I feel like that's a higher priority than widening I-40, but it's the states decision I guess.

You've missed all the wonderful discussion about this, much of it here in this thread.  When I moved to North Carolina more than 20 years ago, the reconstruction of I-85 between the Durham County Line and the I-40 split was #3 or #4 on NCDOT's statewide priority list.  The reconstruction of I-85 through Durham took the lead in this area and IIRC, it was active 2003 through 2005.  NCDOT District 7 delayed the repaving of I-85 for several years in anticipation of the reconstruction project, which never got started.

After I-85 was first repaved, I didn't pay much attention to the status of the I-85 widening project, but it was back in the Top 5 sometime around 2014 (rumor has it that its been on the Top 10 list for the past 22 years or so).  Now, the widening of I-40 between the Durham County Line and the I-85 split has taken the lead.

I started wondering if I-85 was going to get back in race.  NCDOT did a major surveying project back about 5 years ago, first starting on I-85 through both Hillsborough exits and looping back down I-40 all the way to Durham.  About the same time, there was a significant amount of ground work done under the overpasses for South Churton Street (Exit 164 on I-85) and at Orange Grove Road.  Then 3 years ago, NCDOT brought out a mulcher contractor and cut back the treeline along I-85 from Durham to the I-40 split, plus they cut down all the overgrowth between the lanes through Hillsborough (including the wonderful stand of Paulownia, that looks like Wisteria trees).  Before they finished, another crew started working down I-40 starting at the split.  They came back out this Spring along I-85 and cut back the brush again.  I don't know if any of this was related to the planned widening project.  But as best as I can tell, I-85 won't get widened in the foreseeable future.

This is one the few sections of Interstate highway that deserves a major improvement due to safety concerns.  There is a major accident during morning rush about every two weeks on average (except during the Summer, when traffic is lighter).  But the I-40 side garners much more of the RTP traffic, and it gets a bunch of accidents as well (just none of those are design related safety issues).

fillup420

#4105
July 06, 2021, 10:08:05 PM  
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 06, 2021, 05:02:16 PM
When will I-85 be widened in Orange County? That segment is older than I-40 and I feel like that's a higher priority than widening I-40, but it's the states decision I guess.
I go between exit 165 and 178 a lot. I have seen more than one serious accident that blocks the entire highway, due to how narrow the road is. It can get sketchy when traffic gets heavy. Widening would not be an easy task though. there are some steep embankments like at the bridge over the railroad at exit 165. It would require lots of earthwork and Right of way. Both exits in Hillsborough would have to be completely redone as well.

tolbs17

#4106
July 08, 2021, 10:17:13 PM  
https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

tolbs17

#4107
July 09, 2021, 12:55:41 AM  

Rothman

#4108
July 09, 2021, 06:56:27 AM  
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 09, 2021, 12:55:41 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0630255,-79.6088891,3a,15y,302.66h,99.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIFD-EDuw30oc_AtEMHdHWw!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Never seen a left turn yield on flashing yellow arrow sign here before!
A slight varation of that sign is common with installations in NY.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Dirt Roads

#4109
July 09, 2021, 08:55:40 AM  
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 09, 2021, 12:55:41 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0630255,-79.6088891,3a,15y,302.66h,99.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIFD-EDuw30oc_AtEMHdHWw!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Never seen a left turn yield on flashing yellow arrow sign here before!

That is a temporary arrangement which should have been replaced by now, and I doubt the sign remained.  It's right off Exit 135.  I'm not headed that way anytime soon, otherwise I would check it out for you.  Sometimes we get to Greensboro frequently, but right now we are back in a Durham/Raleigh travel pattern.

plain

#4110
July 09, 2021, 09:54:16 AM  
Newark born, Richmond bred

froggie

#4111
July 09, 2021, 10:04:00 AM  
MnDOT's default sign is slightly different, with YIELD as its own line.  36x42 and 42x48 versions are spec'd out.

sprjus4

#4112
July 09, 2021, 06:12:14 PM  
Sometime in the last year, it seems NCDOT extended the 70 mph zone on I-85 about 9 miles south to just before Exit 60 (Dale Earnhardt Blvd) in Concord, outside of Charlotte. This area was just recently expanded from 4 to 8 lanes. South of there, the speed limit remains at 65 mph.

tolbs17

#4113
July 09, 2021, 06:40:12 PM  
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 09, 2021, 06:12:14 PM
Sometime in the last year, it seems NCDOT extended the 70 mph zone on I-85 about 9 miles south to just before Exit 60 (Dale Earnhardt Blvd) in Concord, outside of Charlotte. This area was just recently expanded from 4 to 8 lanes. South of there, the speed limit remains at 65 mph.
Probably cause of the high AADT.

bob7374

#4117
July 10, 2021, 10:31:23 PM  

tolbs17

#4118
July 10, 2021, 10:47:57 PM  

froggie

#4119
July 10, 2021, 10:58:15 PM  
Because it has not yet been designated as such by FHWA.

LM117

#4121
July 11, 2021, 09:08:42 AM  
WRAL posted an article about the old NC-98 and other old roads that are now hidden under Falls Lake.

https://wr.al/1I4Er
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

tolbs17

#4122
July 11, 2021, 05:49:18 PM  

ARMOURERERIC

#4123
July 11, 2021, 09:43:36 PM  
Went on a quick joyride to Shelby to check out the progress of the Shelby bypass.  This is the first time I have been through the site since mid November.  The progress, to me still seems glacial.  The NC 18 Bridge is all rebarred and formed, last Nov, they were forming the center pier cap and the bench excavation for the abutments was complete.

At NC 150 the concrete girders are in place, and the rough grading of the relocated NC 180 is underway.

tolbs17

#4124
July 11, 2021, 09:47:24 PM  
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on July 11, 2021, 09:43:36 PM
At NC 150 the concrete girders are in place, and the rough grading of the relocated NC 180 is underway.
Why didn't they use the nice steel ones?
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