Pennsylvania

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PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Announces Public Meetings to Provide Updates on the Bayfront Parkway Central Corridor Improvement Project

(For PA 420) PennDOT - District 6 News: Southbound Route 420 (Wanamaker Avenue) Lane Reopened over Darby Creek Following Bridge Repair in Tinicum Township, Delaware County

EDIT (9-1-2021):  (For PA 18) PennDOT - District 1 News: Detour Announced for Expediated Route 18 Bridge Removal in Girard Township, Erie County

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PennDOT - District 2 News: State College Area Connector Website to be Updated in Anticipation of Late September Public Meeting

EDIT (9-3-2021):  (For US 220)  PennDOT - District 3 News: Route 220 Safety Improvement Project Updates

(For I-80)  PennDOT - District 2 News: Early September Update for Local Interchange Project in Centre County

EDIT (9-7-2021):  (For PA 8) PennDOT - District 1 News: Route 8 in Venango County Closed for Construction

PennDOT - District 2 News: PennDOT Provides Roadwork Update for Drivers Bound for Beaver Stadium

PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Receives Regional America's Transportation Award for Improving Mobility, Accessibility at Ohiopyle State Park  (For PA 381)

EDIT (9-8-2021):  PennDOT - District 2 News: Route 1005 (North Main Street) Closed Just North of Burnham

PennDOT - District 5 News: Monroe County: Sugar Hollow Road Bridge Closed in Chestnuthill Township

(For PA 18) PennDOT - District 1 News: Interstate 90 Ramp Closures Delayed as Route 18 Bridge Removal Continues

EDIT (9-9-2021):  (For PA 879) PennDOT - District 2 News: Reminder: Repairs to Karthaus Truss Bridge Will Require Temporary Closure and Detour Starting Monday

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PennDOT - District 8 News: Nighttime Lane Restrictions Planned for I-83 Project Near Harrisburg

EDIT (9-10-2021):  PennDOT - District 2 News: Route 1005 (North Main Street) Closure Continues Just North of Burnham

[famartin]

So while I was wondering around northeastern PA yesterday, I noticed an oddity with signage which happened in multiple places.

Typical guidance for reassurance signs on interstates and other freeways is to place one shortly after on-ramps, to "reassure" the traveler as to which way they are going.

However, in several locations (on both I-81 and I-84) in northeast PA, I noticed the reassurance sign was placed shortly beyond the off-ramp, but notably BEFORE the on-ramp (such that there was no way traffic from the on-ramp would see it). It seemed as if they were reminding you "If you intended to exit, you just missed". 

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(For PA 28) PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Route 28 Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge to Reopen Saturday in Sharpsburg

[roadman65]

I just noticed something interesting about Exit 310 on I-80. It's not only a pair of directional interchanges, but also a folded diamond as well on the Delaware Water Gap Village side where the PA 611 connector and the local road intersect as well.

Obviously that was before I-80 got built when former US 611 was aligned from the Delaware Water Gap Bridge into the connector road which then brought 611 back to it's PA two lane alignment. The folded diamond was an interchange of that route after it curved to the left after the plaza.

Also the ramp at the toll plaza that is closed also was used when US 611 was solely on the bridge to NJ then as well. I assumed it got closed post I-80 to avoid weaving at the plaza and redundancy when Exit 310 opened.

Edit: as per 1953 historical aerials shows that as a parclo interchange, so it was not so as I guessed.  When I-80 was built they changed that particular interchange with Broad Street as in 1963, I-80 was opened by then with the current configuration.

So the Wiki article about the I-80 freeway through Stroudsburg can't be right as it stated that originally built to be a bypass for defunct US 611 around Stroudsburg before it became I-80.

[sbeaver44]

Wikipedia says that PA 235 has an unsigned concurrency with PA 17 and that they both end at US 11/15 in Liverpool

However when I pull the Perry County SLDs dated 12/31/20

Page 213 has SR 0235 ending at SR 0017.   I'd expect this anyway, since, for example, you'll see SR 0015 not really existing in these diagrams (as US 15 is entirely concurrent with US 11 in Perry County, so it will only be SR 0011).  In both cases, if PA 235 actually ended at PA 17, or if it didn't – the SR 0235 designation would end here, as PA 17 is a lower number of the same class, and so even a signed PA 17/235 concurrency would simply bear SR 0017.

Pages 253-254 have SR 0017 between SR 0235 and SR 0011 (US 11/15) but I can't tell how I would read if PA 235 is also existing (but not signed) along here.

Source:

https://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/Bureaus/BOMO/RM/RITS/Annual%20Electronic%20SLDs%20by%20County/District%208/Perry%20Without%20Pipes.pdf


On this note, are there any other weird hidden concurrencies in PA like this?   For the record, I am not talking about not-signed-but-obviously-implied ones like US 30/PA 23 along the Lancaster Bypass, but here – why would PA 235 be extended along PA 17 just to end and not continue after?

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^I should consider asking someone in District 8 about this.  Thankfully, PA 235 does not extend along PA 17 to US 11/US 15 in Travel Mapping at the moment anyway.

These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

[amroad17]

So while I was wondering around northeastern PA yesterday, I noticed an oddity with signage which happened in multiple places.

Typical guidance for reassurance signs on interstates and other freeways is to place one shortly after on-ramps, to "reassure" the traveler as to which way they are going.

However, in several locations (on both I-81 and I-84) in northeast PA, I noticed the reassurance sign was placed shortly beyond the off-ramp, but notably BEFORE the on-ramp (such that there was no way traffic from the on-ramp would see it). It seemed as if they were reminding you "If you intended to exit, you just missed". 

This was very prevalent in the 1970's--especially on I-81 north of Scranton.  At almost every interchange, there would be a direction-less reassurance sign placed between the off-ramp and the over/underpass about 100-150 feet past the gore.

Here is one at Exit 201 with a NORTH directional banner.
https://goo.gl/maps/XS2HmC2TP2kQjMwh7

In the 1970's there would not be any NORTH banner on the post, just the I-81 sign.  I figured it was "something Pennsylvania did" that was slightly out of the ordinary.

[sbeaver44]

^I should consider asking someone in District 8 about this.  Thankfully, PA 235 does not extend along PA 17 to US 11/US 15 in Travel Mapping at the moment anyway.

These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

Good idea, I have written District 8 before.

[sbeaver44]

I notice the 511PA Allentown account always Tweets "PA 229"  in reference to Cedar Crest Boulevard but also in places it doesn't make sense

"Roadwork on US 22 eastbound between PA 229/Cedar Crest Blvd and PA 145 South/7th St.  There is a lane restriction."

PA 29 doesn't intersect US 22?  Both the signage and SR 29 designation on SLDs end at I-78.  There is no SR 0229.

https://twitter.com/511paallentown/status/1437547891485286402?s=21

Now according to https://www.pahighways.com/state/PA201-250.html#PA229 PA 229 was signed here...till 1946

I suppose it's probably their database simply not accounting for the decommissioning but...wow

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^I should consider asking someone in District 8 about this.  Thankfully, PA 235 does not extend along PA 17 to US 11/US 15 in Travel Mapping at the moment anyway.

These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

Good idea, I have written District 8 before.

I am currently on a trip to Arizona so I do not have time to do this at the moment.

I notice the 511PA Allentown account always Tweets "PA 229"  in reference to Cedar Crest Boulevard but also in places it doesn't make sense

"Roadwork on US 22 eastbound between PA 229/Cedar Crest Blvd and PA 145 South/7th St.  There is a lane restriction."

PA 29 doesn't intersect US 22?  Both the signage and SR 29 designation on SLDs end at I-78.  There is no SR 0229.

https://twitter.com/511paallentown/status/1437547891485286402?s=21

Now according to https://www.pahighways.com/state/PA201-250.html#PA229 PA 229 was signed here...till 1946

I suppose it's probably their database simply not accounting for the decommissioning but...wow

Maybe it is time to just consider changing PA 29 to PA 229 and extending it slightly north (fictional territory).   

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(For PA 28) PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Intermittent Stoppages Today in Sharpsburg

PennDOT - District 2 News: Public Meeting/Open House Set for State College Area Connector Study

(For PA 414)  PennDOT - District 3 News: Retaining Wall Project on Route 414 in Morris Township, Tioga County Continues 

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(For US 422)  PennDOT - District 6 News: U.S. 422 Full Overnight Closure Begins Next Sunday for Bridge Construction in Lower Pottsgrove Township

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PennDOT - District 10 News: Upcoming Interstate 80 Weekend Ramp Closure

PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound I-79 Neville Island Bridge Weekend Closure September 17-20

[thenetwork]

These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

When I used to live in Cleveland decades ago, there was END SR-43 signage on WB Miles Avenue at SR-14/Broadway.  In Public Square on SB Ontario Ave, the only routes ever listed were US-422, SR-21 (nee US-21), SR-8 and SR-14.  SR-87 (Woodland Ave) began at East 55th Street while US-422/SR-8 followed Kinsman Ave., although I seem to recall seeing an old photograph at or near Public Square with a SR-87 shield, but no SR-43 shield.  So SR-43 never multiplexed into downtown Cleveland, as far as I know.

[ekt8750]

These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

When I used to live in Cleveland decades ago, there was END SR-43 signage on WB Miles Avenue at SR-14/Broadway.  In Public Square on SB Ontario Ave, the only routes ever listed were US-422, SR-21 (nee US-21), SR-8 and SR-14.  SR-87 (Woodland Ave) began at East 55th Street while US-422/SR-8 followed Kinsman Ave., although I seem to recall seeing an old photograph at or near Public Square with a SR-87 shield, but no SR-43 shield.  So SR-43 never multiplexed into downtown Cleveland, as far as I know.

Gotta love moderate to major cities and how poorly signed-routes are signed within their limits. Looking right at you Philly.

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These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

When I used to live in Cleveland decades ago, there was END SR-43 signage on WB Miles Avenue at SR-14/Broadway.  In Public Square on SB Ontario Ave, the only routes ever listed were US-422, SR-21 (nee US-21), SR-8 and SR-14.  SR-87 (Woodland Ave) began at East 55th Street while US-422/SR-8 followed Kinsman Ave., although I seem to recall seeing an old photograph at or near Public Square with a SR-87 shield, but no SR-43 shield.  So SR-43 never multiplexed into downtown Cleveland, as far as I know.

Gotta love moderate to major cities and how poorly signed-routes are signed within their limits. Looking right at you Philly.

I do have to give Philly credit on one thing.   They do a decent job of posting shields on the street signs, which helped me out a lot when clinching US 13 a few years ago.

Sadly it does not help with PA 3.

[ekt8750]

These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

When I used to live in Cleveland decades ago, there was END SR-43 signage on WB Miles Avenue at SR-14/Broadway.  In Public Square on SB Ontario Ave, the only routes ever listed were US-422, SR-21 (nee US-21), SR-8 and SR-14.  SR-87 (Woodland Ave) began at East 55th Street while US-422/SR-8 followed Kinsman Ave., although I seem to recall seeing an old photograph at or near Public Square with a SR-87 shield, but no SR-43 shield.  So SR-43 never multiplexed into downtown Cleveland, as far as I know.

Gotta love moderate to major cities and how poorly signed-routes are signed within their limits. Looking right at you Philly.

I do have to give Philly credit on one thing.   They do a decent job of posting shields on the street signs, which helped me out a lot when clinching US 13 a few years ago.

Sadly it does not help with PA 3.

Yeah they've gotten better with adding those trailblazers to the sign blades but those don't help much at intersections where routes change streets. That's where ground mounted signage matters the most and the city greatly lacks those.

[storm2k]

These odd hidden concurrencies seem to be more of an Ohio issue based on my experience.  OH 43 does not seem to be signed along OH 14 at all, yet it still apparently follows it all the way to the Public Square in Cleveland.

When I used to live in Cleveland decades ago, there was END SR-43 signage on WB Miles Avenue at SR-14/Broadway.  In Public Square on SB Ontario Ave, the only routes ever listed were US-422, SR-21 (nee US-21), SR-8 and SR-14.  SR-87 (Woodland Ave) began at East 55th Street while US-422/SR-8 followed Kinsman Ave., although I seem to recall seeing an old photograph at or near Public Square with a SR-87 shield, but no SR-43 shield.  So SR-43 never multiplexed into downtown Cleveland, as far as I know.

Gotta love moderate to major cities and how poorly signed-routes are signed within their limits. Looking right at you Philly.

I do have to give Philly credit on one thing.   They do a decent job of posting shields on the street signs, which helped me out a lot when clinching US 13 a few years ago.

Sadly it does not help with PA 3.

They only seem to do that on the occasion of changing blade signs though, and it's wildly uneven. Still, that's a pretty common thing in most cities. Chicago is one of the few that always felt like they did an above average job of actually posting reassurance markers and signs to indicate when routes turn onto other roadways within the city.

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(For PA 34)  PennDOT - District 8 News: Weekend Detour Planned on Route 34 (Keystone Way) in Perry County

PennDOT - District 9 News: Weight Posting to be Implemented on Route 4013 (Huntingdon Furnace Road) Bridge in Huntingdon County

PennDOT - District 8 News: Final Paving to Begin on I-83 Project Near Harrisburg

PennDOT - District 6 News: U.S. 1 Periodic Nighttime Lane Closures, Traffic Stoppages Next Week for Construction in Bucks County (For US 1)

[cpzilliacus]

Pittsburgh Post Gazette: Taking a toll: PennDOT moves forward with controversial plan to charge for bridges, names potential development teams

The Pennsylvania Department of Transportation took the next step toward replacing and charging tolls on as many as nine bridges Monday, but motorists won't pay to use the bridges until 2023 at the earliest.

PennDOT announced it has selected three firms to submit proposals for finishing the design of the nine bridges and propose whether to bundle them together under one contract, replace them individually or a combination of the two. The department's goal is to turn the bridges over to private firms to design and replace them, then maintain them for 30 years with the tolls covering the costs.

Tolls haven't been set but are expected to be $1 or $2.

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PennDOT - District 1 News: Presentation on Bayfront Parkway Improvement Project Available to View through Local Public Access Channel  (I apologize for not posting this earlier when it could be viewed on TV.)

(For I-90 and PA 18)  PennDOT - District 1 News: Closures Delayed for I-90 Ramps near Route 18 in Erie County

(For PA 756)  PennDOT - District 9 News: Detour To Be Lifted and Third Leg of Roundabout To Open As Work on Geistown Corridor Improvement Project Continues in Cambria County

EDIT (9-23-2021):  (For US 322) PennDOT - District 2 News: Potters Mills Update as Project Nears Completion

(For PA 324) PennDOT - District 8 News: Long-term Closure Expected on Route 324 (Marticville Road) in Lancaster County

[Mergingtraffic]

Anybody travel to Breezewood lately to see if any new signs are up yet? A sign replacement project was supposed to start in July.

I like orange extruded aluminum signs but hate Clearview.  My one and only Clearview pic.
Are they adding capacity on I-95 at all in Philly with all the reconstruction?

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[famartin]

Anybody travel to Breezewood lately to see if any new signs are up yet? A sign replacement project was supposed to start in July.

I like orange extruded aluminum signs but hate Clearview.  My one and only Clearview pic.
Are they adding capacity on I-95 at all in Philly with all the reconstruction?

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95revive, PennDOT's official name for their never ending project to make everyone hate 95 in Philly, has some spot safety, operational and capacity improvements, but I don't think any wholesale widening is involved.