Stub ramps

[PurdueBill]

I-695 at MD 702 looks like another freeway was planned and never got built.

https://goo.gl/maps/Xk4TEQp8QJLyUbeL6

The Windlass Freeway name that Google Maps shows for that stretch of 695 is the giveaway--the Windlass would have branched off I-95 by Moravia Road (the branch that for many years had the blank sign at a stub ramp, with a button copy border but otherwise no text) and gone over to where Exit 37 on the beltway belongs (Exit 37 is missing because of this), then probably going north-northeastward at today's MD 702 (ghost ramp stubs there too, the most noticeable off of 702 SB).  There were arrows and barricades on the paved stub continuation of the Windlass branching to the left off the beltway NB until just a couple years ago.  The paved stub is now gone as are the signs, over 30 years after it was killed.

[Bruce]

A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.

It dumps out right into the bus loop, and clogging a busy transit facility with cars is not ideal. There's no traffic light onto Ash Way either, so buses would be massively delayed while cars try to turn left (SB) to reach 164th.

Hmm. I guess. Though I cannot recall any of these direct-access ramps that are even close to busy, and all of the others (including Lynnwood which I forgot) do allow carpool traffic.

While the ramp isn't terribly busy, there's additional local routes that only use the loop, not to mention a crosswalk at the end of the ramp. Lots of potential for congestion during the PM rush.

[mgk920]

It was closed off a few years ago.

Mike

[kphoger]

Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   

Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.

[mgk920]

Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   

Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.

(ignoring the snippiness and snottiness exhibited above)

Hoe long before NYSDOT competes and opens the westbound rest area, seeing as they recently did that to the eastbound one?

Mike

[kirbykart]

Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   

Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.

(ignoring the snippiness and snottiness exhibited above)

How long before NYSDOT competes and opens the westbound rest area, seeing as they recently did that to the eastbound one?

Mike

The eastbound rest area has been in service for a long time. You seem to be under the impression that both of these were abandoned and the eastbound one was opened again later. This is simply not the case. The two rest areas are completely unrelated.

[thenetwork]

Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   

Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.

(ignoring the snippiness and snottiness exhibited above)

How long before NYSDOT competes and opens the westbound rest area, seeing as they recently did that to the eastbound one?

Mike

The eastbound rest area has been in service for a long time. You seem to be under the impression that both of these were abandoned and the eastbound one was opened again later. This is simply not the case. The two rest areas are completely unrelated.

I would assume that the never-built westbound rest area was to planned have been completed when or after the rest of the NY-17 freeway was extended from the Lake Chautauqua area to the PA line in the early 90s??

[kphoger]

I would assume that the never-built westbound rest area was to planned have been completed when or after the rest of the NY-17 freeway was extended from the Lake Chautauqua area to the PA line in the early 90s??

Not sure about its history, but it's clearly visible in the 1985 aerial.

[jakeroot]

Both have very similar grading visible in the 1980s and 1990s aerial imagery, but then they randomly completed the eastbound rest area. It seems reasonable to assume they'll eventually get around to westbound.

[vdeane]

Given that NY "temporarily closed" a bunch of rest areas in 2011 and a couple of those still are (and a couple others have since become parking areas), I wouldn't hold my breath on new rest areas in NY.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/regional-offices/statewide-rest-areas

(personal opinion)

[SSR_317]

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One was left in Indy for the never built I-69 into both I-70 and I-65.

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The North Split Upgrade (reconstruction) project has recently resulted in the final demise of those old stub ramps from the 1970s. They were originally intended to be the southern endpoints for the never-built Northeast Freeway, to connect downtown Indy at the North Split (of I-65 & I-70) with the southern terminus of "Classic I-69" at I-465 in Castleton (at Binford Blvd, the former SR 37) on the far NE side.

Because that 1970s project got cancelled (victim of the Freeway Revolution), I-69 became one of the few 2-di highways that terminated at a 3-di. Now, of course, it continues on to Bloomington, Evansville and beyond and may SOMEDAY head all the way to México (won't be in MY lifetime, though). But it will officially bypass downtown Indy by following I-465 from Castleton to just west of Harding Street on the SW side of the city, where a new system interchange is being built as part of the Finish Line I-69 project.

{Edited by author to correct typo}

[SSR_317]

The former CA-480 Embarcadero had a stub ramp but that was intended to meet Doyle Drive/Presidio parkway initially but that was gone 3 decades ago when the Loma Prieta quake destroyed the freeway.

I-280 had a stub section at one point on its north end with the intention to meet with CA-480 but that later became gentrified to be a part of Soma and Mission Bay once Oracle park and Chase Arena were built.

The "stub" of I-280 to which you refer still kinda exists, being later routed directly onto King Street (at a traffic signal for 5th St, just south of the Caltrain terminal yards). King eventually curves into and becomes The Embarcadero (surface street) just past the Giants' ballpark. The final (partial) interchange on I-280 is for the ramps to & from 6th Street (which cross above the aforementioned railroad and land to the northwest of it at the signalized intersection of 6th St & Brannan St). The original intent was to connect 280 directly to the 480 Embarcadero Freeway, but that never came about. The Chase Center was recently built nearby, it is a part of the Mission Bay district, but is much further south than the old I-280 stub, at 16th St & 3rd St (which because of the geography of the city, actually cross). I-280 is about 4 blocks to the west of the arena, on an elevated viaduct above the Caltrain tracks where they have a at-grade crossing with 16th (at 7th St & Pennsylvania Ave).

BTW, the Loma Prieta earthquake did not "destroy" the Embarcadero Freeway, but so damaged it that the decision was made to tear it down rather than rebuild the hated concrete monolith that blocked bay views from parts the city.

Author's note: Today, October 17, 2022, is the 33rd anniversary of the Loma Prieta earthquake. I happened to be visiting the Bay Area that day and experienced it first hand. May all the victims of that temblor continue to rest in peace. For all those who died on the I-880 Nimitz Freeway collapse in Oakland, their deaths were not in vain as what engineers and scientists eventually learned from that failure has helped make our highways and structures built and retrofitted since more seismically sound.

{Edited by author to add the above note}
{Subsequently edited again by author to correct a typo}

[mariethefoxy]

I know of a few stub ramps on Long Island.

NY 25 has a small stub ramp that would have been the southbound 135 Exit 14W if they built it further north.

There is a small stub ramp, its hard to see and you might miss it if you aren't looking for it on the JFK Expressway heading into the airport that was intended to be an Exit to NY 878 west if the Nassau Expressway had the westbound side built.

There are a couple on Staten Island, the two most famous ones on 278 for the unbuilt Richmond Parkway extension were demolished in the HOV lane project, there are some on NY 440 south at the Korean War Vets Parkway interchange.