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Title: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: golden eagle on April 29, 2013, 01:04:41 AM
There's a street in my subdivision called Kings Highway, but you would be very disappointed if you were looking for this street and thought it was a highway because of its name.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Bickendan on April 29, 2013, 01:36:15 AM
Portland: SW Capitol Hwy. The eastern most extant *is* OR 10, but by and large, it's a city artery.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: iwishiwascanadian on April 29, 2013, 03:08:07 AM
Baltimore has Pulaski Highway on the Eastside.  It's not a highway but it's an artery in and out of the city from points east and it carries US-40. 
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 29, 2013, 07:58:04 AM
There's a 2 Rod Highway in my area.  Residential street with a couple of 4 way stop signs.  Not what you'd expect of a highway.  Also, a section of US 1 in Fairfield, CT is called King's Highway, yet the real highway in the area is I-95.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 08:50:16 AM
holy crap Interstate 99 isn't interstate
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Brandon on April 29, 2013, 09:34:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 08:50:16 AM
holy crap Interstate 99 isn't interstate

Are you drunk or something?  :confused:  The OP was looking for streets marked as "highway" that really are not.  Sort of like seeing small residential streets marked as "boulevard" when they obviously are nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
I'm always drunk. ON WEED
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: 1995hoo on April 29, 2013, 09:53:33 AM
Richmond Highway (US-1) in Northern Virginia is primarily an arterial surface route, with a few segments (mainly through Fort Belvoir) that have very few lights. Lee—Jackson Memorial Highway (US-50) in Fairfax County is another that is primarily an arterial but has one or two short segments that approach what the MUTCD calls "expressway" status. Jefferson Davis Highway in Arlington County is similar for the portion that's designated US-1; the northern segment that's numbered VA-110 is more in the nature of a high-speed "highway" but nobody ever calls it "Jefferson Davis Highway" (everyone calls it "110").

Kings Highway in Brooklyn, New York, is a major arterial route that's more like an avenue. The portions of the Sunrise Highway (NY-27) I've travelled are like something more than an avenue but less than an MUTCD "expressway." I haven't been on that road in several years, so I'm not sure how I'd characterize it other than to say "very damned busy."

To the extent this poll includes other roads with names that might imply "highway" status, Little River Turnpike (VA-236) in Fairfax County, Virginia, is likewise an arterial. Rockaway Freeway in Queens runs under the elevated "A" train and isn't a "freeway" in any sense other than that people often drive way too fast on there. Jericho Turnpike in Nassau County is like an avenue.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
Per Merriam-Webster: "a public way; especially: a main direct road". Obviously all these examples fit the first part, and most also fit the second, since they are a main direct road, if not necessarily the most main direct road.

I assume we all know the history of 19th century turnpikes.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: US71 on April 29, 2013, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
I'm always drunk. ON WEED
That would explain a lot.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: 1995hoo on April 29, 2013, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
Per Merriam-Webster: "a public way; especially: a main direct road". Obviously all these examples fit the first part, and most also fit the second, since they are a main direct road, if not necessarily the most main direct road.

I assume we all know the history of 19th century turnpikes.

I think the OP's point is that in many places (certainly here in the DC area) the word "highway" is usually interpreted as referring to what the MUTCD calls a "freeway," such that someone not familiar with the area might hear "Richmond Highway" and picture a higher-speed road than it really is.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: vdeane on April 29, 2013, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on April 29, 2013, 01:04:41 AM
There's a street in my subdivision called Kings Highway, but you would be very disappointed if you were looking for this street and thought it was a highway because of its name.
Rochester has one too; most of it is in a park.

Quote from: 1995hoo on April 29, 2013, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
Per Merriam-Webster: "a public way; especially: a main direct road". Obviously all these examples fit the first part, and most also fit the second, since they are a main direct road, if not necessarily the most main direct road.

I assume we all know the history of 19th century turnpikes.

I think the OP's point is that in many places (certainly here in the DC area) the word "highway" is usually interpreted as referring to what the MUTCD calls a "freeway," such that someone not familiar with the area might hear "Richmond Highway" and picture a higher-speed road than it really is.
It's also often interpreted to mean rural driving on two lane roads.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: A.J. Bertin on April 29, 2013, 02:30:14 PM
Whenever I think of "highways", I generally think they imply roads that go between cities/towns of any significant distance - not city streets. Isn't that how most of us define that term? Webster's definition doesn't seem complete. And don't most people consider highways to be roads that allow for a higher speed (regardless of the design of the road - 2-lane, expressway, or freeway)?

Anyway, one "highway" that came to mind for me is in Kalamazoo, Michigan. It's called Kings Highway and is basically a local street that happens to carry the I-94 business loop for its length. It's only part of the business loop and I don't consider it to be a "highway" at all. A "road" yes, but not a "highway".

I have two examples from Oakland County, Michigan (Detroit suburbs): Coolidge Highway and Stephenson Highway. Those roads are only designated as such for a few miles long. They're either county or city roads (not sure which) and don't really connect cities/towns of distance at all. Kinda silly to be called "highways" in my opinion.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Mr_Northside on April 29, 2013, 04:23:09 PM
I'm sure there are a multitude of places where the "Lincoln Highway" is a simple two-lane "city" street.
(If we're loosely using the term "city" to include smaller towns and villages as well.)
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: 1995hoo on April 29, 2013, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 29, 2013, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 29, 2013, 11:12:08 AM
I think the OP's point is that in many places (certainly here in the DC area) the word "highway" is usually interpreted as referring to what the MUTCD calls a "freeway," such that someone not familiar with the area might hear "Richmond Highway" and picture a higher-speed road than it really is.
It's also often interpreted to mean rural driving on two lane roads.

In many ways it boils down to the same discussion as in the other thread about whether it's appropriate to call a toll road a "freeway." I think words like "highway," when taken in isolation, are used in different ways in different parts of the country, much like "expressway" and "freeway" have different meanings. Here in the DC area, for example, people don't normally use the word "highway" in conjunction with a road number like "Highway 9" or "Highway 31," but in other parts of the country that's routine. (If the road's name contains "Highway," on the other hand, then people use it unless they normally use the route number instead. As I type this it occurs to me that there's a road called Kings Highway less than two miles from my house; the part closest to my neighborhood is a two-lane suburban road designated as a secondary route in Virginia's numbering scheme. Everyone calls it "Kings Highway," never "Route 633." But Richmond Highway is normally referred to as "Route 1.")
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Brandon on April 29, 2013, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on April 29, 2013, 04:23:09 PM
I'm sure there are a multitude of places where the "Lincoln Highway" is a simple two-lane "city" street.
(If we're loosely using the term "city" to include smaller towns and villages as well.)

I'm not so sure we should count roads that once were "highways" but are no longer the main route.  At one time, the Lincoln Highway was a highway between and through cities and towns.  Now, it's been supplanted by I-95, I-76, and I-80.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 29, 2013, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: iwishiwascanadian on April 29, 2013, 03:08:07 AM
Baltimore has Pulaski Highway on the Eastside.  It's not a highway but it's an artery in and out of the city from points east and it carries US-40.

Also un-numbered Key Highway on the south side of downtown Baltimore City.

And on the east side of Baltimore, there's un-numbered Edison Highway.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: national highway 1 on April 29, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
Hereward Hwy, Blacktown, NSW
http://goo.gl/maps/2GrRN (http://goo.gl/maps/2GrRN)
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Alps on April 29, 2013, 07:29:34 PM
OK, let's go back to the original post: Kings Highway is a little subdivision street, not serving any sort of through traffic. That's what we're looking for here. Lincoln Highway, even if it's a city street, is generally a major through road. Certainly Pulaski Highway is as well. Examples fitting this thread would be those that are a few blocks long, dead ends, etc.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: DTComposer on April 29, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
Whitnall Highway in the San Fernando Valley:

http://goo.gl/maps/icp1d

Was originally going to be much more:

http://cahighways.org/257-264.html#258
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: empirestate on April 29, 2013, 08:26:51 PM
The meaning of "highway" that's germane here is that of a thoroughfare open to the public, usually one that is built and maintained for that purpose by a public authority. A king's highway would be one that was built under a monarch's authority and/or whose right-of-way is crown property. ("El Camino Real" is the same thing in Spanish.) Granted, many if not most roads currently named "King's Highway" or similar are so named for reasons of romance or nostalgia, but a few remain that have a true royal pedigree.

Two branches of meaning have since derived from this: 1) a relatively long-distance, high-traffic way, which is the type that would most often have been built by monarchs or governments, and 2) any public way as it relates to its governing authority. In the second sense, if you consider a township or municipal highway department, the highways under its charge are likely to be very small pieces of road (or other ways or paths). Although cities, as a type of municipality, rarely seem to call their roads "highways", towns and townships frequently do, so it wouldn't be at all surprising to find many highways that resemble, or are actually, city streets.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 29, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 29, 2013, 07:29:34 PM
OK, let's go back to the original post: Kings Highway is a little subdivision street, not serving any sort of through traffic. That's what we're looking for here. Lincoln Highway, even if it's a city street, is generally a major through road. Certainly Pulaski Highway is as well. Examples fitting this thread would be those that are a few blocks long, dead ends, etc.

Sections of Mulholland Highway (not the Drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulholland_Drive), but the Highway within the corporate limits of Los Angeles) would seem to qualify by the above definition. 

Here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mulholland+highway,+los+angeles,+ca&hl=en&ll=34.126282,-118.325071&spn=0.01,0.01929&sll=39.090494,-77.00748&sspn=0.074478,0.154324&hnear=Mulholland+Hwy,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=34.126239,-118.325154&panoid=K_XBeC3hh1pJImzAF9mSlA&cbp=12,48.2,,0,10.6) is a nice view of the Hollywood sign from the 6200 block of that "highway."

And another (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mulholland+highway,+los+angeles,+ca&hl=en&ll=34.131096,-118.320608&spn=0.01,0.01929&sll=39.090494,-77.00748&sspn=0.074478,0.154324&hnear=Mulholland+Hwy,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&layer=c&cbll=34.131105,-118.320506&panoid=zYCjDM85zA_9veXS0qwLLA&cbp=12,13.34,,0,-10.9&z=16) from the 6000 block of Mulholland Highway, where it dead-ends (according to Google Maps, it continues, but is pretty obviously not open to motorized traffic).
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: mgk920 on April 29, 2013, 10:51:26 PM
There is a street here in the Appleton area that is named 'Highway Dr'.  It is a frontage road for a much more major street (Northland Ave - County 'OO' and the 1939-1960 routing of US 41).

Mike
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: national highway 1 on April 29, 2013, 11:48:35 PM
Rockaway 'Freeway' in Queens - nothing more than a divided Super-Two expressway
http://goo.gl/maps/yMc2o (http://goo.gl/maps/yMc2o)
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: MBHockey13 on April 30, 2013, 01:12:54 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
I'm always drunk. ON WEED

You would think you'd be nicer if that was the case...
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 30, 2013, 02:21:56 PM
There's both a King's Highway and a Western Highway in the Town of Orangetown, NY.  This is an area that had a fair amount of settlement when it was part of Great Britain, so King's Highway could easily date to that time.  Prior to WWII this area was more rural and they probably had more typical two-lane rural highway character.  Today they are suburban streets tying together residential neighborhoods alongside NY 303 and the Palisades Parkway.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: wxfree on April 30, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
In Texas some "Freeway" names apply only to frontage roads and not the main lanes.  While not city streets, the names are from the city.  I think I read somewhere that Texas law allows cities to name frontage roads, but not freeway main lanes.  This may apply only to interstates.  I can't seem to find the law now.  In spite of the technical distinction, there isn't much practical difference, since addresses are based on frontage roads and not freeways.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Big John on April 30, 2013, 04:53:44 PM
In Madison WI, there is a Seminole Highway which is a city street.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: dgolub on April 30, 2013, 06:50:49 PM
On Long Island, there's Montauk Highway (NY 27A/Suffolk CR 85/Suffolk CR 80/NY 27), which is a two- to four-lane road with traffic lights the whole way, and most of it's undivided.  Yes, it goes through nothing short of four different numerical designations over its length.  There's also New Highway (Suffolk CR 28), which is a two-lane undivided road.  Up in Connecticut, there's Kings Highway (US 1) and the Silas Deane Highway (CT 99), which are both local streets.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on April 30, 2013, 07:42:43 PM
Imperial Highway.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: signalman on May 03, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
In Newark, NJ there's McCarter Highway.  It's a 4-6 lane arterial, and it often moves far slower than any highway.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: jwolfer on May 03, 2013, 04:23:32 PM
I've never been on the road, only seen on maps but it seems that the Bessemer Super Highway near Birmingham is not a super highway.  It seems like it would be lined with old motels, nasty restaurants, trailer parks and lots of independent business women( and men who are dressed like women.)  Not to mention lots of traffic lights

Sort of like OBT( US 441) in Orlando or Philips Hwy( US 1) in Jacksonville.. Am I correct?
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 03, 2013, 04:27:45 PM
I believe the Bessemer Super Highway was originally built in the 1950s to be similar to California's expressways.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Alps on May 03, 2013, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 03, 2013, 04:27:45 PM
I believe the Bessemer Super Highway was originally built in the 1950s to be similar to California's expressways.
To reiterate, if it's a major through road, even if it's not a freeway, the word "highway" is still appropriate. Such as 95% of what's been mentioned on this thread, and that also goes for the Bessemer example. However, this example most certainly is not a "superhighway," which is synonymous with freeway.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: NE2 on May 03, 2013, 05:11:59 PM
http://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Bessemer_Superhighway
"Due to the shortage of funds prevailing during the Great Depression, the State set aside plans to build large interchanges that would allow for limited freeway access."
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: roadman65 on May 05, 2013, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: signalman on May 03, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
In Newark, NJ there's McCarter Highway.  It's a 4-6 lane arterial, and it often moves far slower than any highway.
McCarter Highway is NJ Route 21 and even though it gets congested, it is a through route through Newark and carries commuters and commerce across the city.

Now in Kissimmee, FL we have a King's Highway that is a short road and a dead end to boot.  It hardly counts as a the definition of a a highway despite its name, but McCarter Highway does.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: signalman on May 06, 2013, 05:51:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 05, 2013, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: signalman on May 03, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
In Newark, NJ there's McCarter Highway.  It's a 4-6 lane arterial, and it often moves far slower than any highway.
McCarter Highway is NJ Route 21 and even though it gets congested, it is a through route through Newark and carries commuters and commerce across the city.

Now in Kissimmee, FL we have a King's Highway that is a short road and a dead end to boot.  It hardly counts as a the definition of a a highway despite its name, but McCarter Highway does.
Right.  In northern Newark and Bellville NJ 21 aka McCarter Highway becomes more like a highway.  But downtown it functions more like a city street; albeit a main one.   

Sorry, I wasn't really clear in my original post.  I'm not always the best at conveying what I want to say in writing. 
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: roadman65 on May 06, 2013, 08:36:55 AM
Quote from: signalman on May 06, 2013, 05:51:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 05, 2013, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: signalman on May 03, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
In Newark, NJ there's McCarter Highway.  It's a 4-6 lane arterial, and it often moves far slower than any highway.
McCarter Highway is NJ Route 21 and even though it gets congested, it is a through route through Newark and carries commuters and commerce across the city.

Now in Kissimmee, FL we have a King's Highway that is a short road and a dead end to boot.  It hardly counts as a the definition of a a highway despite its name, but McCarter Highway does.
Right.  In northern Newark and Bellville NJ 21 aka McCarter Highway becomes more like a highway.  But downtown it functions more like a city street; albeit a main one.   

Sorry, I wasn't really clear in my original post.  I'm not always the best at conveying what I want to say in writing. 
Don't give it a second thought.  I have the same issues myself.  I have trouble expressing myself into writing and even got criticized here plenty of times for either not making myself clear or giving out a wrong impression to my post.  Do not sweat it.

I do know where you are coming, as McCarter Highway is indeed a city street, but I think for this forum it entails a road functioning as city street with a highway name.  Good catch though, as it is one of the rare cases where a city street has a highway descriptor as you do not see much of that around, especially in a major city.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: pctech on May 06, 2013, 09:03:56 AM
We have the "Acadian thruway" here in Baton Rouge. It's basically a 4 lane at grade city street. Part of it is also LA 427.

Mark
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: empirestate on May 06, 2013, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 06, 2013, 08:36:55 AM
I do know where you are coming, as McCarter Highway is indeed a city street, but I think for this forum it entails a road functioning as city street with a highway name.  Good catch though, as it is one of the rare cases where a city street has a highway descriptor as you do not see much of that around, especially in a major city.

Taking that viewpoint, the term "West Side Highway" still lingers on for whatever currently happens to be running along the Hudson River shore of Manhattan. Originally that was the Miller Elevated Highway (the one under which the Jets and Sharks rumble in West Side Story), from which the word "highway" derives. Now it's officially called West Street, 11th Avenue and 12th Avenue, which are definitely city streets, and also still very much highway-like.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: webfil on May 06, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
The Disraeli Freeway in Winnipeg, MB is the closest thing to a freeway in Manitoba ― not that it is one, but at least it bears the name...
http://goo.gl/maps/vgbHD
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: roadman65 on May 06, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: empirestate on May 06, 2013, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 06, 2013, 08:36:55 AM
I do know where you are coming, as McCarter Highway is indeed a city street, but I think for this forum it entails a road functioning as city street with a highway name.  Good catch though, as it is one of the rare cases where a city street has a highway descriptor as you do not see much of that around, especially in a major city.

Taking that viewpoint, the term "West Side Highway" still lingers on for whatever currently happens to be running along the Hudson River shore of Manhattan. Originally that was the Miller Elevated Highway (the one under which the Jets and Sharks rumble in West Side Story), from which the word "highway" derives. Now it's officially called West Street, 11th Avenue and 12th Avenue, which are definitely city streets, and also still very much highway-like.
Poor Joe Dimaggio does not get recognized after being one of the greatest baseball players as those streets were named after him. 

You are right, the West Street, 11th Avenue, and 10th Avenue trio do act as a highway now with the old elevated highway gone. 
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: 1995hoo on May 07, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Quote from: webfil on May 06, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
The Disraeli Freeway in Winnipeg, MB is the closest thing to a freeway in Manitoba ― not that it is one, but at least it bears the name...
http://goo.gl/maps/vgbHD

The key on there is using multiple gears.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Alps on May 07, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 07, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Quote from: webfil on May 06, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
The Disraeli Freeway in Winnipeg, MB is the closest thing to a freeway in Manitoba ― not that it is one, but at least it bears the name...
http://goo.gl/maps/vgbHD

The key on there is using multiple gears.
That could put you in a world of pain. You should take it back.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 07, 2013, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Steve on May 07, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 07, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Quote from: webfil on May 06, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
The Disraeli Freeway in Winnipeg, MB is the closest thing to a freeway in Manitoba ― not that it is one, but at least it bears the name...
http://goo.gl/maps/vgbHD

The key on there is using multiple gears.
That could put you in a world of pain. You should take it back.

that's all well and good, but I demand to see a subtle reference to Tales of Brave Ulysses worked into an otherwise unrelated sentence.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: 1995hoo on May 07, 2013, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 07, 2013, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Steve on May 07, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 07, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Quote from: webfil on May 06, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
The Disraeli Freeway in Winnipeg, MB is the closest thing to a freeway in Manitoba ― not that it is one, but at least it bears the name...
http://goo.gl/maps/vgbHD

The key on there is using multiple gears.
That could put you in a world of pain. You should take it back.

that's all well and good, but I demand to see a subtle reference to Tales of Brave Ulysses worked into an otherwise unrelated sentence.

I think we're going wrong in this thread.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 30, 2013, 10:33:17 PM
There are a number of streets in a subdivision around the Beech Grove, TN area that are named Pikes.  Such as Nashville Pike, Franklin Pike, and Kennesaw Pike.  It appears that the names of the streets are all named after the Civil War.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Beechgrove,+TN&hl=en&ll=35.648927,-86.131525&spn=0.030584,0.066047&sll=35.65367,-86.125023&sspn=0.015221,0.033023&oq=beec&hnear=Beechgrove,+Coffee,+Tennessee&t=m&z=15
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: ChoralScholar on July 01, 2013, 05:55:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 08:50:16 AM
holy crap Interstate 99 isn't interstate

I see what you did there.   :clap:
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: ChoralScholar on July 01, 2013, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: wxfree on April 30, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
In Texas some "Freeway" names apply only to frontage roads and not the main lanes.  While not city streets, the names are from the city.  I think I read somewhere that Texas law allows cities to name frontage roads, but not freeway main lanes.  This may apply only to interstates.  I can't seem to find the law now.  In spite of the technical distinction, there isn't much practical difference, since addresses are based on frontage roads and not freeways.

There are quite a few addresses in the DFW Metroplex that are listed as XXXXX LBJ Expressway - obviously referring to the frontage road, and not I-635 itself.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2013, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: ChoralScholar on July 01, 2013, 06:00:03 PM

There are quite a few addresses in the DFW Metroplex that are listed as XXXXX LBJ Expressway - obviously referring to the frontage road, and not I-635 itself.

one of the most baffling and infuriating "features" of an older TomTom GPS map set was that "Pacific Hwy" was the frontage road to "Pacific Highway" here in San Diego.  yeah, that made finding things easy.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: mapman1071 on July 02, 2013, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: national highway 1 on April 29, 2013, 11:48:35 PM
Rockaway 'Freeway' in Queens - nothing more than a divided Super-Two expressway
http://goo.gl/maps/yMc2o (http://goo.gl/maps/yMc2o)

Rockaway Freeway Is a City Street, No Interchanges Arranged in a 1/1/1/1 with the IND Rockaway Subway El over the center lanes.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: mapman1071 on July 02, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
Frontage Roads for I-17 Phoenix, Black Canyon Highway Maintained by City of Phoenix
NB from 19th Avenue to Carefree Highway, SB From Carefree Highway to Van Buren Street then co-signed with 23rd Avenue from Van Buren Street to Durango Street.

Carefree Highway Peoria, Phoenix, Cave Creek, Scottsdale & Carefree
Currently 2 lanes from Lake Pleasant Parkway to I-17 and 4 to 6 Lanes from I-17 to Scottsdale Road/Tom Darlington Drive.

Lake Pleasant Parkway, Peoria to 27th Avenue, Phoenix (Co-Signed with AZ74) Maintained by ADOT
27th Avenue, Phoenix to Scottsdale Road/Tom Darlington Drive Matained by Phoenix & McDOT
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: vtk on July 03, 2013, 08:43:20 AM
In some regions of the country, "highway" is essentially just a synonym for "public road", with no implied importance or design standards.  There ought to be many examples for this thread from those regions.  The conclusion is therefore that an unimportant road named "___ Highway" is not really a strange phenomenon. 

For example, look at Lenawee County, Michigan.  Every north-south county road is given the suffix "Highway", regardless of the road's importance.  Most of them are gravel!

This is really just another facet of the following phenomenon of road naming in this country:  Nearly every road is named with a suffix that is a synonym for "road", such as "avenue", "street", "boulevard", "highway", et cetera.  In other uses, these words carry implications of certain physical characteristics, but as suffixes to road names, they are almost meaningless.  It's a bit like a surname: just because your name is "John Shepherd" doesn't mean it's strange that you don't care for a flock of sheep.  With roads, the suffix is often chosen simply because it sounds nice or to give more variety to an area's road names, without regard to what kind of road that suffix word would otherwise describe.

If there's a thread like "boulevards that are narrow and undivided" or "parkways that allow trucks and aren't limited-access" or "terraces in completely flat topography" and NE2 yawns at it, this is why.

PS – Somewhere around central Ohio is a little town with a Broadway that's just an 18-foot-wide strip of asphalt from the main through road to the edge of town, which is about 200 feet.  I don't even remember where.  It's not that big a deal.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: NE2 on July 03, 2013, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: vtk on July 03, 2013, 08:43:20 AM
just because your name is "John Shepherd" doesn't mean it's strange that you don't care for a flock of sheep.
Sure it is. How else can you fall asleep?
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Lytton on July 03, 2013, 05:46:34 PM
On Oahu, there is Nimitz Highway and Sand Island Parkway. To be fair, Nimitz Highway does have a route assigned to it, Route 92. But, it is mostly a street that goes by the waterfront and the only parts that aren't in Honolulu is the small connector from H1 to the main gates of Pearl Harbor and Hickam AFB.

Sand Island Parkway is the continuation after Sand Island Access Road and it isn't really a parkway at all. For one thing, the four-lane road only goes for less than a mile after the bridge until it reverts to a two-lane road and is still called a Parkway.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: jfs1988 on July 03, 2013, 08:23:47 PM
Mission Blvd in Ontario, California.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/7666053628/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/7666053770/in/photostream/

Mission Blvd between CA-83 (Euclid Ave) & CA-60 (Pomona Freeway) acts as an expressway. There are even highway mileage signs. This section parallels railroad tracks and is south of the Ontario Airport.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: kendancy66 on July 07, 2013, 09:02:44 PM
Here is an interesting twist on the highway theme

http://goo.gl/maps/IGVij

This is not a real "highway", just the entrance to Laguna Hills High School.  Their nickname is the Hawks.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: ftballfan on July 09, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
Mulholland Highway barely looks wide enough for two cars to pass each other in some areas.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: JCinSummerfield on July 09, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
Not just the N-S roads in Lenawee County, vtk.  A large majority, including E-W routes are suffixed "Hwy".   :nod:
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: vtk on July 09, 2013, 02:57:53 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on July 09, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
Not just the N-S roads in Lenawee County, vtk.  A large majority, including E-W routes are suffixed "Hwy".   :nod:

Ahh.  I've only ever paid attention to the road names while travelling west to east from Adrian through Deerfield and Petersbrug towards Dundee, Ida, or Monroe, or straight thru on M-50 – so I saw just about every N—S road but no E—W ones except the few I drove on.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: hm insulators on July 09, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
Imperial Highway in the Los Angeles area might qualify, even though it's a very long street. It runs from LAX all the way to Yorba Linda.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: kiwislark on April 20, 2024, 08:06:49 AM
Some examples from Auckland, New Zealand:

Mount Wellington Highway

https://maps.app.goo.gl/xKpmDFcyGpb3rTPQ9

Ellerslie Panmure Highway

https://maps.app.goo.gl/GRWDijYGYj9BUUcS7

Main Highway

https://maps.app.goo.gl/SahZvgHaLn6pKG379

Hibiscus Coast Highway

https://maps.app.goo.gl/f7Nb4mpNm1niN6HG7

Albany Highway

https://maps.app.goo.gl/6d8Jo9upF8fU43nN8
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 20, 2024, 09:51:22 AM
CA 49 north of US 50 in Placerville on Spring Street and Colma Road. CA 49 in Sonora and Downieville would also fit this thread.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Flint1979 on April 20, 2024, 11:01:12 AM
There are counties in Michigan that use the term, "Highway" on roads. Dixie Highway is usually nothing more than what a city street would be. I know Eaton and Lenawee Counties for sure use the term, "Highway."
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: DandyDan on May 03, 2024, 05:38:25 AM
Will County, IL between Joliet and New Lenox has an Illinois Highway. I always found myself amused when we passed that road on our way to my uncle's former house.

My original thought was Airline Highway in Waterloo, IA, but that one was formerly in the Iowa Highway system. Both times I drove it, it didn't seem worthy of being called a highway, though.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: PColumbus73 on May 03, 2024, 08:34:55 AM
In Horry County, SC, a lot of the rural county roads are addressed as 'Highways', i.e. Hwy 19, Hwy 66, Hwy 111, as if they are on the same level as the signed US and SC routes like US 501, SC 31, and SC 90.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 04, 2024, 12:31:57 AM
Quote from: mapman1071 on July 02, 2013, 10:28:29 PMFrontage Roads for I-17 Phoenix, Black Canyon Highway Maintained by City of Phoenix
NB from 19th Avenue to Carefree Highway, SB From Carefree Highway to Van Buren Street then co-signed with 23rd Avenue from Van Buren Street to Durango Street.

The original Black Canyon Highway was AZ 69, and ran along 43rd Ave. from Grand Ave. north, beginning around 1936 or '37.  Later (circa 1950), it was moved into Phoenix along what would later become I-17.  As you stated, it's strictly the frontage roads on either side of I-17 now, and has been for decades.

A couple others:

Hunt Highway through Sun Lakes, southern Gilbert, and Pinal County in a few segments, from 88th St. in Sun Lakes to AZ 79 just north of Florence.  All segments are either county or town (Gilbert) maintained.

Bush Highway from the north end of Power Rd at the Mesa City Limits to AZ 87 north of Saguaro Lake.  It is an unnumbered Maricopa County highway through the Tonto National Forest.  Prior to at least the mid '70s, Power Rd. was only south of Main St./Apache Trail (then US 60-70-80-89), while Bush Highway was north.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: LilianaUwU on May 04, 2024, 04:08:22 AM
Route Penney in Québec City. Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.8479856,-71.3934701,3a,75y,130.73h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5CqEtQwbFRt_9UE3-SBptg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D5CqEtQwbFRt_9UE3-SBptg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D141.5389%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: bing101 on May 04, 2024, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on April 29, 2013, 08:04:37 PMWhitnall Highway in the San Fernando Valley:

http://goo.gl/maps/icp1d

Was originally going to be much more:

http://cahighways.org/257-264.html#258
That's interesting given that parts of the route went in a diagonal direction. The northwest end of the proposed Whitnall freeway in the proposed route is where CA-118 is today. However CA-118 goes east-west toward the northern edge of the San Fernando Valley.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: GaryA on May 04, 2024, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: bing101 on May 04, 2024, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on April 29, 2013, 08:04:37 PMWhitnall Highway in the San Fernando Valley:

http://goo.gl/maps/icp1d

Was originally going to be much more:

http://cahighways.org/257-264.html#258
That's interesting given that parts of the route went in a diagonal direction. The northwest end of the proposed Whitnall freeway in the proposed route is where CA-118 is today. However CA-118 goes east-west toward the northern edge of the San Fernando Valley.

Reading about the Whitnall Highway (different from the later proposed Whitnall Freeway) always leaves me a little confused, since the text descriptions say it was supposed to end in Newhall, but the maps have it running more northwest and ending in what is now Chatsworth.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: ElishaGOtis on May 04, 2024, 07:59:34 PM
Classic example, but still wanted to bring this up to the front.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/eX2Ut71hCvoBoCCH8

Dixie Freeway. A road named FREEWAY, in Florida of all places (unless you count I-4 Olympic Fwy in GTA :bigass:). It's not even a freeway... :banghead:
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: LilianaUwU on May 04, 2024, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on May 04, 2024, 07:59:34 PMunless you count I-4 Olympic Fwy in GTA
GTA V is California-based, and I-4, based on I-10, very much is a freeway.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: ElishaGOtis on May 04, 2024, 09:47:59 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on May 04, 2024, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on May 04, 2024, 07:59:34 PMunless you count I-4 Olympic Fwy in GTA
GTA V is California-based, and I-4, based on I-10, very much is a freeway.

IMHO Except when there's traffic (which is 95% of the time), pretty much everyone on the real I-4 is playing GTA IRL :bigass: /s  I can only wonder how the release of GTA VI will affect the crash statistics, or even the "unofficial" name, of the real I-4. :wow:

On a side note, I rarely see the term "Freeway" used in Florida.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: bing101 on May 06, 2024, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on May 04, 2024, 07:59:34 PMClassic example, but still wanted to bring this up to the front.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/eX2Ut71hCvoBoCCH8

Dixie Freeway. A road named FREEWAY, in Florida of all places (unless you count I-4 Olympic Fwy in GTA :bigass:). It's not even a freeway... :banghead:
Yes its like the Rockaway Freeway in New York where a city street  is named freeway.   :pan:
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: apeman33 on May 08, 2024, 10:41:02 PM
Free King Highway skirts the eastern city limits of both Pittsburg and Frontenac, Kansas, but is really just a county road. It's north end is at U.S. 160 east of Frontenac and the south end is a few blocks from Pittsburg High School, about a mile south of K-126.
Title: Re: "Highways" that are actually city streets
Post by: Bobby5280 on May 09, 2024, 02:29:10 PM
I think Rogers Lane here in Lawton qualifies. The US-62 designation was moved to it around 20 years ago. The road has two limited access exits at Sheridan Road and Fort Sill Blvd. Bits of Interstate style window dressing were added in the form of a few big green signs (that aren't so big and aren't designed well either). Aside from that stuff this thing is really nothing more than a surface street. It sure isn't a highway. Rogers Lane doesn't even have any shoulders. More than a dozen at-grade intersections exist between I-44 and 82nd Street; four of them are traffic signals. Definitely a street rather than a highway.