Illinois notes

[michiganguy123]

It's hilarious how much you guys defend the tolling authority, definitely have stake in the profits.

[SEWIGuy]

It's hilarious how much you guys defend the tolling authority, definitely have stake in the profits.

I find the tollways to have way better quality than the freeways, easy and inexpensive. I also think the idea that people can't figure out that they are on one of them until its too late is ridiculous. There is plenty of signage that states as such. Furthermore I expect drivers to be aware of things when they travel to places they don't know very well.

[wanderer2575]

It's hilarious how much you guys defend the tolling authority, definitely have stake in the profits.

That's at least twice you've said that.  No, I don't have a stake in the profits.  If you disagree with my opinion, fine -- that's what makes up the world.  But snotty comments add nothing constructive to a discussion.

[paulthemapguy]

It's hilarious how much you guys defend the tolling authority, definitely have stake in the profits.

The idea that they have a stake in the profits is a hilarious conspiracy theory.  This comment brought to you by Reynolds Wrap.

[hobsini2]

It's hilarious how much you guys defend the tolling authority, definitely have stake in the profits.

The idea that they have a stake in the profits is a hilarious conspiracy theory.  This comment brought to you by Reynolds Wrap.

Thanks Paul. Exactly what I was thinking. Next they will say something like Jim Carey is drinking the blood of children to stay young. Oh wait. QAnon has that conspiracy theory already.

I was at one point (25 years ago) employeed by the ISTHA but it was not on good terms that I left. Why the hell would I defend the agency with zero stake in the game?

[kphoger]

For what it's worth, this is all the warning you get before I-35 turns into the Kansas Turnpike.

Of course, you can still pay cash on the Kansas Turnpike.  Well, until later this year, when it goes cashless.

[wanderer2575]

For what it's worth, this is all the warning you get before I-35 turns into the Kansas Turnpike.

Actually, no.  "Last Free Exit" is repeated on the 1/2-Mile advance sign and on the exit gore sign (I concede the latter is not ideal placement).  Plus, the Kansas Turnpike logo is shown on the I-35 confirmation assembly after crossing the state line and also on the milemarkers.

[kphoger]

Actually, no.  "Last Free Exit" is repeated on the 1/2-Mile advance sign and on the exit gore sign (I concede the latter is not ideal placement).

Point taken.  I considered all three of those to be one and the same warning, but I suppose they're technically three separate warnings.

Plus, the Kansas Turnpike logo is shown on the I-35 confirmation assembly after crossing the state line and also on the milemarkers.

That's because, once you cross the state line, you're immediately already on the Kansas Turnpike.  It's just that the first toll booth of the Turnpike isn't till north of Exit 4.

[wanderer2575]

Plus, the Kansas Turnpike logo is shown on the I-35 confirmation assembly after crossing the state line and also on the milemarkers.

That's because, once you cross the state line, you're immediately already on the Kansas Turnpike.  It's just that the first toll booth of the Turnpike isn't till north of Exit 4.

My point is that all the Turnpike logo signage tells one that tolls are involved somewhere.  If one isn't familiar with that particular road, time to take a break to look at a map.

[vdeane]

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5779416,-87.547274,3a,37.5y,268.52h,100.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2SYf3QjYNheijjbKBcYvAg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2SYf3QjYNheijjbKBcYvAg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D43.203796%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

There's this sign before the start of the tollway...

4 lanes of heavily congested traffic with trucks, and a little (non-compliant at that) sign off to the right 1/4 mile before the last exit. But sure... signage. Sure hope you're not in any other lane but the right.

No compliant "Last Exit Before Toll" signage with yellow background, no 1 or 2 mile notice in advanced, no large yellow "Toll Road" signage on the mainline guide signs (just the word "Tollway" with normal background & small font hard to read if you're not paying attention to the small details.

Except there is this sign giving you 7 miles of notice that the Tri State Tollway is coming soon.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5739612,-87.447319,3a,23.7y,233.28h,97.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz7WA0Zmqn1D4JuKzz3nyzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

What that would imply to me is that a toll road is intersecting the highway I'm on. Not that the highway I'm on becomes that tollway. No, that is not clear. Try again.

That's what it implies for me too.  I don't see why anyone who doesn't already know that the road becomes a toll road would have any reason to even consider that that is what the sign is saying.

[SEWIGuy]

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5779416,-87.547274,3a,37.5y,268.52h,100.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2SYf3QjYNheijjbKBcYvAg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2SYf3QjYNheijjbKBcYvAg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D43.203796%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

There's this sign before the start of the tollway...

4 lanes of heavily congested traffic with trucks, and a little (non-compliant at that) sign off to the right 1/4 mile before the last exit. But sure... signage. Sure hope you're not in any other lane but the right.

No compliant "Last Exit Before Toll" signage with yellow background, no 1 or 2 mile notice in advanced, no large yellow "Toll Road" signage on the mainline guide signs (just the word "Tollway" with normal background & small font hard to read if you're not paying attention to the small details.

Except there is this sign giving you 7 miles of notice that the Tri State Tollway is coming soon.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5739612,-87.447319,3a,23.7y,233.28h,97.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz7WA0Zmqn1D4JuKzz3nyzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

What that would imply to me is that a toll road is intersecting the highway I'm on. Not that the highway I'm on becomes that tollway. No, that is not clear. Try again.

That's what it implies for me too.  I don't see why anyone who doesn't already know that the road becomes a toll road would have any reason to even consider that that is what the sign is saying.

Perhaps they should know that.

[kphoger]

Perhaps they should know that.

Then what's the sign even for?

[SEWIGuy]

Perhaps they should know that.

Then what's the sign even for?

To let them know that it starts in seven miles.

[kphoger]

Perhaps they should know that.

Then what's the sign even for?

To let them know that it starts in seven miles.

Perhaps they should know that.

[hobsini2]

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5779416,-87.547274,3a,37.5y,268.52h,100.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2SYf3QjYNheijjbKBcYvAg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2SYf3QjYNheijjbKBcYvAg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D43.203796%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

There's this sign before the start of the tollway...

4 lanes of heavily congested traffic with trucks, and a little (non-compliant at that) sign off to the right 1/4 mile before the last exit. But sure... signage. Sure hope you're not in any other lane but the right.

No compliant "Last Exit Before Toll" signage with yellow background, no 1 or 2 mile notice in advanced, no large yellow "Toll Road" signage on the mainline guide signs (just the word "Tollway" with normal background & small font hard to read if you're not paying attention to the small details.

Except there is this sign giving you 7 miles of notice that the Tri State Tollway is coming soon.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5739612,-87.447319,3a,23.7y,233.28h,97.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz7WA0Zmqn1D4JuKzz3nyzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

What that would imply to me is that a toll road is intersecting the highway I'm on. Not that the highway I'm on becomes that tollway. No, that is not clear. Try again.

That's what it implies for me too.  I don't see why anyone who doesn't already know that the road becomes a toll road would have any reason to even consider that that is what the sign is saying.

Perhaps they should know that.

Like I said before, yes there could and should be more signage giving you a warning.  But it is upon the motorist to know where they are going and whether or not the highway is a toll road or toll bridge.

[Hobart]

Like I said before, yes there could and should be more signage giving you a warning.  But it is upon the motorist to know where they are going and whether or not the highway is a toll road or toll bridge.

I strongly agree with this sentiment. If you're local, you would have done enough driving by now to know what is tolled and what isn't. If you aren't local, you should have done your research ahead of time on where to go rather than blindly following a GPS.

[sprjus4]

Like I said before, yes there could and should be more signage giving you a warning.  But it is upon the motorist to know where they are going and whether or not the highway is a toll road or toll bridge.

I strongly agree with this sentiment. If you're local, you would have done enough driving by now to know what is tolled and what isn't. If you aren't local, you should have done your research ahead of time on where to go rather than blindly following a GPS.

We should remove curve advisories, warning signs altogether since motorists should have done their research on every curve and blind intersection a road has.

[michiganguy123]

Like I said before, yes there could and should be more signage giving you a warning.  But it is upon the motorist to know where they are going and whether or not the highway is a toll road or toll bridge.

I strongly agree with this sentiment. If you're local, you would have done enough driving by now to know what is tolled and what isn't. If you aren't local, you should have done your research ahead of time on where to go rather than blindly following a GPS.

No one should have to streetview their entire route to avoid getting fucked with a overcharge because some prick decided that only the late fee gets to be sent in the mail, not the actual bill like every other company sends in the mail. There's a reason why you have to opt out of mailed W-2's, even though employees can easily find it on their employee portal.

[SEWIGuy]

Like I said before, yes there could and should be more signage giving you a warning.  But it is upon the motorist to know where they are going and whether or not the highway is a toll road or toll bridge.

I strongly agree with this sentiment. If you're local, you would have done enough driving by now to know what is tolled and what isn't. If you aren't local, you should have done your research ahead of time on where to go rather than blindly following a GPS.

No one should have to streetview their entire route to avoid getting fucked with a overcharge because some prick decided that only the late fee gets to be sent in the mail, not the actual bill like every other company sends in the mail. There's a reason why you have to opt out of mailed W-2's, even though employees can easily find it on their employee portal.

You don't have to street view the entire route. Just look at a map.

And the W2 parallel is hilarious.

[hotdogPi]

So a map will tell you that bill by mail is not a thing?

[sprjus4]

Like I said before, yes there could and should be more signage giving you a warning.  But it is upon the motorist to know where they are going and whether or not the highway is a toll road or toll bridge.

I strongly agree with this sentiment. If you're local, you would have done enough driving by now to know what is tolled and what isn't. If you aren't local, you should have done your research ahead of time on where to go rather than blindly following a GPS.

No one should have to streetview their entire route to avoid getting fucked with a overcharge because some prick decided that only the late fee gets to be sent in the mail, not the actual bill like every other company sends in the mail. There's a reason why you have to opt out of mailed W-2's, even though employees can easily find it on their employee portal.

You don't have to street view the entire route. Just look at a map.

And the W2 parallel is hilarious.

I'm curious about this map that shows a distinction between toll by mail and toll by plate online only toll roads. Do you have a link to share? I'd love to check it out.

[SEWIGuy]

So a map will tell you that bill by mail is not a thing?

It will tell you where the toll roads are. Afterward you are responsible for paying them. Not hard.

[wanderer2575]

We should remove curve advisories, warning signs altogether since motorists should have done their research on every curve and blind intersection a road has.

The more relevant comparison is that, having decided to drive a particular road, you now have to navigate this curve and that blind intersection whether you want to or not.  If you don't want the possibility of having to deal with those features then, yes, you research to find a route that doesn't have them.

I'm curious about this map that shows a distinction between toll by mail and toll by plate online only toll roads. Do you have a link to share? I'd love to check it out.

I don't see where SEWIGuy's comment said that at all.  Putting words in others' mouth hardly helps to sell an opinion.  A map shows the toll roads.  The motorist takes it from there.

[Rothman]

The solution is to have a tag or pay a little surcharge for toll-by-plate.  This "we tack on a late fee" or whatever it is should be illegal for simplicity of navigation's sake.

Kind of ridiculous to have a motorist look at a map and then have to search the Internet to see how to pay.

Then again, reminds me of someone I knew who moved from WI to the East somewhere and prepared to pay tolls with a bag of change, since he had never really left MN or WI before.  This was in the very early 2000s.  Found out that tolls were way over a quarter even then.

[SEWIGuy]

The solution is to have a tag or pay a little surcharge for toll-by-plate.  This "we tack on a late fee" or whatever it is should be illegal for simplicity of navigation's sake.

Or they could just give a discount for paying prior to receiving the invoice by mail. Same damn thing.