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Started by Stojko, February 04, 2010, 06:56:42 PM

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AsphaltPlanet

The Turcot name is actually derived from the former CN railway yard that was located beneath the old interchange.  The closure of the railway yard is one of the factors that allowed A-20 to be relocated to a more northerly alignment than it previously had between the Turcot and R-138 interchanges.
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Richard3

#701
Quote from: froggie on May 19, 2023, 10:56:23 PM
Wish they were that dedicated to getting A-35 finished...
Talking about A-35 works, some bad news fell down last May.

One of the contractors in the consortium who won the call for tenders, CRT Construction, from Levis, have to deal with the bankruptcy of one of his subcontractors, who have to furnish and install the steel beams supporting the bridge over rivière aux Brochets (Pike River).  The CRT Construction's executive vice-president, Jean-François Turgeon, told that they found a new steel provider in province of Quebec, but didn't told a lot about delays this situation will occur.

The MTQ, throught a spokeperson, confirmed that some delays will occur about the bridge, but the rest of the works are going on time.

It's sure that this bridge is essential to the opening of that part of A-35, between Saint-Sebastien and Saint-Armand, about 3 miles north of the QC-VT border.

The original article (in French) is here.
- How many people are working in here?
- About 20%

...yes, it's my real face. Believe it or not.

I'm a semi driver in Canada (mostly in QC, NB and NS)

States/provinces/territories I didn't went in: AB, AK, AL, BC, HI, KS, LA, MB, MN, MS, MT, ND, NL, NT, NU, RI, SD, SK, WA, WI, YT.  Well, maybe some options for a post-retirement road trip. Maybe.

LilianaUwU

Quote from: Richard3 on June 15, 2023, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 19, 2023, 10:56:23 PM
Wish they were that dedicated to getting A-35 finished...
Talking about A-35 works, some bad news fell down last May.

One of the contractors in the consortium who won the call for tenders, CRT Construction, from Levis, have to deal with the bankruptcy of one of his subcontractors, who have to furnish and install the steel beams supporting the bridge over rivière aux Brochets (Pike River).  The CRT Construction's executive vice-president, Jean-François Turgeon, told that they found a new steel provider in province of Quebec, but didn't told a lot about delays this situation will occur.

The MTQ, throught a spokeperson, confirmed that some delays will occur about the bridge, but the rest of the works are going on time.

It's sure that this bridge is essential to the opening of that part of A-35, between Saint-Sebastien and Saint-Armand, about 3 miles north of the QC-VT border.

The original article (in French) is here.
I would joke about A-35's original intended completion date (for Expo 67), but I'm not gonna kick a dead horse here.
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Richard3

Quote from: LilianaUwU on June 15, 2023, 01:46:12 AM
Quote from: Richard3 on June 15, 2023, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 19, 2023, 10:56:23 PM
Wish they were that dedicated to getting A-35 finished...
Talking about A-35 works, some bad news fell down last May.

One of the contractors in the consortium who won the call for tenders, CRT Construction, from Levis, have to deal with the bankruptcy of one of his subcontractors, who have to furnish and install the steel beams supporting the bridge over rivière aux Brochets (Pike River).  The CRT Construction's executive vice-president, Jean-François Turgeon, told that they found a new steel provider in province of Quebec, but didn't told a lot about delays this situation will occur.

The MTQ, throught a spokeperson, confirmed that some delays will occur about the bridge, but the rest of the works are going on time.

It's sure that this bridge is essential to the opening of that part of A-35, between Saint-Sebastien and Saint-Armand, about 3 miles north of the QC-VT border.

The original article (in French) is here.
I would joke about A-35's original intended completion date (for Expo 67), but I'm not gonna kick a dead horse here.

It's just normal to talk about a project for 40-50 years (100 years for the bridge over Saguenay) before government begin to think about turning it into something like a real project. And the more the time goes on, the more studies and counter-studies, then studies to study past studies, are done, costing sometimes more than the project itself. Finally, the government decides to kill the project, because too expensive. Even if the needs are still there.

Welcome in province of Quebec.
- How many people are working in here?
- About 20%

...yes, it's my real face. Believe it or not.

I'm a semi driver in Canada (mostly in QC, NB and NS)

States/provinces/territories I didn't went in: AB, AK, AL, BC, HI, KS, LA, MB, MN, MS, MT, ND, NL, NT, NU, RI, SD, SK, WA, WI, YT.  Well, maybe some options for a post-retirement road trip. Maybe.

LilianaUwU

Quote from: Richard3 on June 19, 2023, 09:53:04 PM
Welcome in province of Quebec.
You're exactly 25 years late on that.  :spin:
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LilianaUwU

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 25, 2023, 07:47:45 AM
*Sigh*, some NIMBYs had decided to oppose A-25 northern extension.  :angry:
https://monjoliette.com/le-crel-et-des-groupes-citoyens-sopposent-au-prolongement-de-lautoroute-25/
https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2023/06/20/lanaudiere-des-groupes-ecologiques-sopposent-au-prolongement-de-lautoroute-25
Gotta love the usual "induced demand" bullshit. Also gotta love how the Mon Joliette article is obviously biased towards this nonsense.
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vdeane

Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Stephane Dumas

Quote from: vdeane on June 25, 2023, 04:55:11 PM

Is the current proposal even an autoroute?  Last I saw there were roundabouts and traffic lights instead of interchanges.

https://transportologie.wordpress.com/2022/08/21/en-bref-prolongement-de-la-125-mise-a-jour-aout-2022/

Not an autoroute to be exact unless it's on the same definition as A-955, it like be more of an "rural expressway" like PQ-117 north of Ste-Agathe-des-Monts.

LilianaUwU

#709
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 25, 2023, 05:35:32 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 25, 2023, 04:55:11 PM

Is the current proposal even an autoroute?  Last I saw there were roundabouts and traffic lights instead of interchanges.

https://transportologie.wordpress.com/2022/08/21/en-bref-prolongement-de-la-125-mise-a-jour-aout-2022/

Not an autoroute to be exact unless it's on the same definition as A-955, it like be more of an "rural expressway" like PQ-117 north of Ste-Agathe-des-Monts.
So an expressway with roundabouts? Ew.
"Volcano with no fire... Not volcano... Just mountain."
—Mr. Thwomp

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Richard3

Quote from: LilianaUwU on June 25, 2023, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 25, 2023, 05:35:32 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 25, 2023, 04:55:11 PM

Is the current proposal even an autoroute?  Last I saw there were roundabouts and traffic lights instead of interchanges.

https://transportologie.wordpress.com/2022/08/21/en-bref-prolongement-de-la-125-mise-a-jour-aout-2022/

Not an autoroute to be exact unless it's on the same definition as A-955, it like be more of an "rural expressway" like PQ-117 north of Ste-Agathe-des-Monts.
So an expressway with roundabouts? Ew.

Exactly. A road system that will satisfy nobody, not even the environmentalists.
- How many people are working in here?
- About 20%

...yes, it's my real face. Believe it or not.

I'm a semi driver in Canada (mostly in QC, NB and NS)

States/provinces/territories I didn't went in: AB, AK, AL, BC, HI, KS, LA, MB, MN, MS, MT, ND, NL, NT, NU, RI, SD, SK, WA, WI, YT.  Well, maybe some options for a post-retirement road trip. Maybe.

cbeach40

Quote from: LilianaUwU on June 25, 2023, 08:48:50 AM
Gotta love the usual "induced demand" bullshit. Also gotta love how the Mon Joliette article is obviously biased towards this nonsense.

The project is to induce demand:

Quote
https://www.transports.gouv.qc.ca/fr/projets-infrastructures/reseau-routier/projets-routiers/laurentides-lanaudiere/prolongement-autoroute-25-amelioration-route-125/Pages/prolongement-autoroute-25-amelioration-route-125.aspx
Translated:
In addition, for the past 20 years, traffic volumes have been increasing on Route 125. Thus, demographic projections allow us to anticipate a continuous growth in vehicle demand on this axis: between 1996 and 2016, the population growth in the northern Lanaudière region was 37%, compared to the Quebec average of 12%.

As a result, periods of congestion lengthen at peak times, especially on weekends. The growth of the population and vacationers therefore contributes to the deterioration of traffic and safety conditions on the axis as well as in the municipality of Sainte Julienne.

If growth is framed as inevitable and that highway expansion is critical to accommodate it, then they are clearly saying that inducing demand is something they are deliberately doing.

Induced demand from highway expansion is very much real. The question is whether it's considered to be desirable or not, and whether the growth you want to accommodate is they type of development you want to devote land and resources to.
and waterrrrrrr!

Richard3

Since many decades, route 125 (route 18 before the number swap of the 1970's) was used by Montreal people who have a cottage in the north, so the traffic jams on week-ends. As time goes by, those people retired, transform their cottage in a cozy home, and more Montrealers did the same.  The problem is that in this kind of place, population density will never be sufficient enough to have any kind of mass transit. People take their cars to go here and there, and it's like this since cars exist.  With the pandemics, even more people left the city to get countryside; that explains, at least in part, the 37% increase of population there.

There's another question about areas like that one; the more the villages grow, the more trucks will use the roads.  An autoroute - or an Interstate in USA - helps to separate the truck traffic from the rest, as the transit traffic almost always take the fastest route.  With many roundabouts, the future route 125 will be anything but fast.
- How many people are working in here?
- About 20%

...yes, it's my real face. Believe it or not.

I'm a semi driver in Canada (mostly in QC, NB and NS)

States/provinces/territories I didn't went in: AB, AK, AL, BC, HI, KS, LA, MB, MN, MS, MT, ND, NL, NT, NU, RI, SD, SK, WA, WI, YT.  Well, maybe some options for a post-retirement road trip. Maybe.

Stephane Dumas

There's a third party who uploaded to Google Streetview some street view of the local streets of Schefferville.
https://goo.gl/maps/V8YiVdDaF8QoHxxY6

Stephane Dumas

I saw these videos showing the A-35 interchange in construction between Pike River and Philipsburg/St-Armand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNwSxuTiiu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOczeVs8H2I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTfWRLho3tk

froggie

#715
^ At the north end of what had been the end of the 4-lane north of Philipsburg, GMSV from last month shows QC 133 traffic using the future northbound off-ramp and going through a roundabout, same spot as the first part of the first video.

Stephane Dumas

The intersection of QC-139 and QC-112 is now historic with the new overpass soon to completion. https://goo.gl/maps/LbnCtEY51Z8eH6yx7
https://goo.gl/maps/8E8RRYdMAYC4uGDD6

Stephane Dumas

I saw this French article published late August then the current mayor of Nicolet is opposed to A-30 extension from Becancour to Nicolet for a more green image.
https://www.lenouvelliste.ca/actualites/actualites-locales/2023/08/29/nicolet-demande-a-quebec-dabandonner-le-prolongement-de-lautoroute-30-W4XV32LMLJEF7FORJCIINGIGFY/

Not a good idea with more traffic (and more trucks) on PQ-132.

Richard3

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 10, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
I saw this French article published late August then the current mayor of Nicolet is opposed to A-30 extension from Becancour to Nicolet for a more green image.
https://www.lenouvelliste.ca/actualites/actualites-locales/2023/08/29/nicolet-demande-a-quebec-dabandonner-le-prolongement-de-lautoroute-30-W4XV32LMLJEF7FORJCIINGIGFY/

Not a good idea with more traffic (and more trucks) on PQ-132.

And after some deadly accidents on QC-132 and rang des Soixante, Nicolet municipal council and others will tear down their shirts, shouting "Why the government did nothing? Now our streets are too much dangerous!"

Same old, same old...
- How many people are working in here?
- About 20%

...yes, it's my real face. Believe it or not.

I'm a semi driver in Canada (mostly in QC, NB and NS)

States/provinces/territories I didn't went in: AB, AK, AL, BC, HI, KS, LA, MB, MN, MS, MT, ND, NL, NT, NU, RI, SD, SK, WA, WI, YT.  Well, maybe some options for a post-retirement road trip. Maybe.

Great Lakes Roads

https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/adm/min/transports/transports/projets_routiers/Outaouais/Aut-5-prolongement/CA_A5_Racc_Mai2023.png

Autoroute 5's northern terminus currently ends at an at-grade intersection with an odd jog for Route 105. It will be replaced with a roundabout to make Route 105 more straight.
-Jay Seaburg

Great Lakes Roads

https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/adm/min/transports/transports/projets_routiers/Estrie/reamenagement-echangeur-darche/CarteA410R112.pdf

The Autoroute 440 exit 4 in Sherbrooke (currently a cloverleaf) will be rebuilt into a partial cloverleaf (parclo A-4).
-Jay Seaburg

Alps

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 11, 2023, 03:29:00 PM
https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/adm/min/transports/transports/projets_routiers/Outaouais/Aut-5-prolongement/CA_A5_Racc_Mai2023.png

Autoroute 5's northern terminus currently ends at an at-grade intersection with an odd jog for Route 105. It will be replaced with a roundabout to make Route 105 more straight.
A-5 was supposed to go quite a bit farther north, but this eliminates the existing stub end for good. I disagree with what they did here though, they had every opportunity to resurrect prior plans for A-5 and not completely redo surface streets.

vdeane

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 11, 2023, 03:29:00 PM
https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/adm/min/transports/transports/projets_routiers/Outaouais/Aut-5-prolongement/CA_A5_Racc_Mai2023.png

Autoroute 5's northern terminus currently ends at an at-grade intersection with an odd jog for Route 105. It will be replaced with a roundabout to make Route 105 more straight.
Is there a timetable for when this is to happen?  I had been hoping to re-clinch A-5 next year... but perhaps it would be prudent to wait.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Great Lakes Roads

Quote from: vdeane on September 11, 2023, 09:15:52 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 11, 2023, 03:29:00 PM
https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/adm/min/transports/transports/projets_routiers/Outaouais/Aut-5-prolongement/CA_A5_Racc_Mai2023.png

Autoroute 5's northern terminus currently ends at an at-grade intersection with an odd jog for Route 105. It will be replaced with a roundabout to make Route 105 more straight.
Is there a timetable for when this is to happen?  I had been hoping to re-clinch A-5 next year... but perhaps it would be prudent to wait.
In the spring of  2023, the government is continuing the preparation of section  3, which includes several essential stages before starting work  : geotechnical studies, preparation of plans and specifications, land acquisitions, relocation of public services and obtaining environmental authorizations.

A completion schedule will be specified once all these steps have been completed.
-Jay Seaburg

Stephane Dumas

Quote from: Alps on September 11, 2023, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 11, 2023, 03:29:00 PM
https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/adm/min/transports/transports/projets_routiers/Outaouais/Aut-5-prolongement/CA_A5_Racc_Mai2023.png

Autoroute 5's northern terminus currently ends at an at-grade intersection with an odd jog for Route 105. It will be replaced with a roundabout to make Route 105 more straight.
A-5 was supposed to go quite a bit farther north, but this eliminates the existing stub end for good. I disagree with what they did here though, they had every opportunity to resurrect prior plans for A-5 and not completely redo surface streets.

Indeed, from what I saw on that map at https://transportologie.wordpress.com/2021/04/20/autoroute-450-550-region-de-hull/  A-5 northern terminus was located much further north.



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