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2 Numbered Highways going between the same 2 points.

Started by mapman1071, May 12, 2010, 04:36:34 AM

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TheStranger

Huskeroadgeek:  Similar to your US 34/US 6 example...is the pairing of US 26 and US 30:

- Originally, they both shared termini in Astoria (US 26 has since been truncated southward, as its final few miles to Astoria were shared with US 101)

- Both routes go to Portland, though they do not meet up

- US 26 now first meets up with US 30 in Caldwell, ID, where they run together with I-84 for a few miles

- US 26 (and US 20) use Chinden Boulevard from Caldwell to Boise, while US 30 runs along I-84

- Between Bliss, ID and Ogallala, NE...US 26 and 30 diverge at their greatest distances from each other, before intersecting one more time a mile from US 26's terminus at I-80.

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Speaking of US 30...US 30/US 287 follow a northerly path compared to the parallel I-80 between Walcott, WY and Laramie, WY.

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Quote from: mapman1071 on May 17, 2010, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: ausinterkid on May 13, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
AZ 66 and I-40 between Kingman & Ash Fork
AZ66 Ends In Ash Fork 2 Blocks North Of I-40
Why doesn't AZ 66 rejoin I-40 in Ash Fork?
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mapman1071

Quote from: ausinterkid on May 19, 2010, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 17, 2010, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: ausinterkid on May 13, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
AZ 66 and I-40 between Kingman & Ash Fork
AZ66 Ends In Ash Fork 2 Blocks North Of I-40
Why doesn't AZ 66 rejoin I-40 in Ash Fork?
ADOT has a policy against two route numbers serving the same two points (point can be in middle of nowhere).
I-17 Crosses I-10 at Exit 200A and Ends at Mile 194 at I-10 
AZ260 meets and joins US60 thru Show Low and Ends In Eager (South of Springerville and US60)
AZ287 meets and joins AZ87 thru Coolidge and ends at AZ79 In Florence

TheStranger

Quote from: mapman1071 on May 19, 2010, 07:39:15 PM

ADOT has a policy against two route numbers serving the same two points (point can be in middle of nowhere).
I-17 Crosses I-10 at Exit 200A and Ends at Mile 194 at I-10 
AZ260 meets and joins US60 thru Show Low and Ends In Eager (South of Springerville and US60)
AZ287 meets and joins AZ87 thru Coolidge and ends at AZ79 In Florence

I-10 and I-17 have interchanges both times they meet up, so technically that would be a violation of that policy.

(Also, didn't AZ 66 originally end in Seligman, as opposed to Ash Fork?  Google Maps doesn't make this clear)
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mapman1071

Quote from: TheStranger on May 19, 2010, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 19, 2010, 07:39:15 PM

ADOT has a policy against two route numbers serving the same two points (point can be in middle of nowhere).
I-17 Crosses I-10 at Exit 200A and Ends at Mile 194 at I-10 
AZ260 meets and joins US60 thru Show Low and Ends In Eager (South of Springerville and US60)
AZ287 meets and joins AZ87 thru Coolidge and ends at AZ79 In Florence

I-10 and I-17 have interchanges both times they meet up, so technically that would be a violation of that policy.

(Also, didn't AZ 66 originally end in Seligman, as opposed to Ash Fork?  Google Maps doesn't make this clear)

Under this policy For Us or Interstate Highways ADOT would have to get FHA Permission to truncate or renumber these roads. ADOT would not want to file paperwork or wait decades for approval.

florida

This happens plenty of times down here, so I'm assuming we don't have a policy against it.

FL & CR 228 and US 90 from Macclenny to Jacksonville (intersecting three separate times).
FL 71 and FL 69 from Blountstown to Greenwood.
FL & CR 61 and US 319 in the Tallahassee area (two separate instances).
FL 296 and US 90 in Pensacola.
FL 292 and FL 295 in Pensacola.
FL 81 and CR 181 from near Red Bay to Prosperity.
FL & CR 12 and FL 65 from Wilma to Gretna.
FL 12 and CR 270 from near Bristol to Greensboro.
US 90 and CR 268 from Gretna to Quincy to Midway.
FL 12 and CR 274 from Greensboro to Quincy.
FL 17 and US 27/98 from Sebring to Avon Park.
FL 115 and US 1 in Jacksonville.
US 19/98/27A and CR 358 in desolate Dixie County (CR 358 bows off to the east of the US routes and was the former route of US 19 many years ago).
FL 405 and US 1 in Titusville.
FL 50 and CR 420 east of Orlando.
US 41 and US 301 between Sarasota and Bradenton.
US 41 and FL 776 from South Venice to Mudock.
US 27/441 and FL & CR 25 from The Villages/Lady Lake to Belleview.
US 27 and US 441 from Leesburg to Miami.
US 41 and US 441 from High Springs to Miami.
US 19 and FL 595 from Holiday to St. Petersburg.
CR 523 and US 441 from Kenansville to St. Cloud.
You could say that FL 71 and FL 73 do this between Chipola Park (Calhoun County) and Marianna (even though they don't intersect again in Marianna, they do come close within the city).
Then, there are the old routings and business/bypass routings of roads that are signed as ##-A.
And also, FL A1A.
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Jim

Quote from: mapman1071 on May 12, 2010, 04:36:34 AM
Arizona DOT does not allow 2 numbered highways to travel between 2 points.

I think I'm missing something about this rule.  Sometimes it just makes sense to have two ways to get from point A to point B, simply because one passes through point C and the other passes through point D.  As an example from close to home for me, and one which is repeated countless times throughout the country, NY 30 and NY 30A.  If traveling between the Schoharie area and Mayfield and points in the southern Adirondacks, one may choose 30 and go through Amsterdam, Perth, and Vail Mills (among others).  Or, you might choose 30A to go through Fonda, Johnstown, and Gloversville.  Would this really be disallowed under the AZ rule?
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A couple of examples in Wisconsin, not including the interstates that replaced a state/US highway.

US-12 / US-14 between suburban Chicago and Madison
WI-73 / US-51 between just north of Edgerton and near Plainfield
WI-47 / US-51 between Manitowish and Woodruff
WI-23 / US-151 between Mineral Point and Fond du Lac
WI-57 / WI-32 intersect a number of times

Also, don't forget historic US-6 and US-66 that took two different corridors between Chicago and LA.

SkyPesos

Couple of US route examples, excluding parent-child route relationships:

US 19 and US 41 between Tampa and Atlanta
US 19 and US 23 between Atlanta and Asheville
US 36 and US 40 between Denver and Indianapolis
US 60 and US 62 between Wickliffe and Paducah, and Paducah and Versailles
US 62 and US 68 between Paducah and Marysville
US 33 and US 250 between Elkins and Richmond
US 52 and US 421 between Winston-Salem and Indianapolis
US 41 and US 231 between Murfreesboro and some Chicago suburb in Indiana

Former ones:
US 40 and US 50 between San Francisco and Sacramento, and Sacramento and St Louis. Those two routes also go through KC, but I don't think they intersected there at any point. I think US 50 also used to have a spur US 50A or 50N (unsure what the number is) that met up with US 40 in SLC. Currently, those two routes don't meet each other at all.
US 54 and US 66 between Springfield and Chicago
US 23 and US 25 between Asheville and Toledo
US 25 and US 27 between Lexington and Cincinnati

TheHighwayMan3561

Is this a "rule" or did they just renumber/decommission AZ 88?

MN 27 and MN 28 between Little Falls and Browns Valley
I-35 and MN 23 between Sandstone and Duluth
I-94 and US 10 between St. Paul and St. Cloud
I-494 and I-694 between Maple Grove and Oakdale :sombrero:
I-35W and I-35E between Burnsville and Forest Lake :sombrero:
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I-135 and US-81 from Wichita to Salina.  Oh, wait...
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US 44 and NY 55 between US 209 and Poughkeepsie

US 30 and US 322 between Downingtown, PA and Atlantic City
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I-95 and US 1 between Miami and Portland Maine

I-70 and US 40 between Denver and Baltimore

I-5 and US 101 between Los Angeles and Olympia
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NWI_Irish96

US 41 and IN 63 meet at both ends of IN 63.
US 12 and US 20 split between two concurrencies in East Chicago and Gary.
IN 912 and I-90 meet at two different interchanges.
Both ends of IN 930 meet US 30.
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hbelkins

I had actually commented earlier without contributing an obvious Kentucky example.

US 60 and US 421 between Lexington and Frankfort.


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roadman65

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US 25 and US 27 in addition to I-75 between Lexington and Cincinnati.

US 1 and GA 15 between Folkston, GA and Baxley, GA. Race Pond to be exact as US 1 and SR 15 concurrent south of it.

US 1 and GA 121 from Race Pond, GA to Augusta , GA.

GA 27 and US 82 across Georgia.  One ends in Brunswick while the other one near it, but close enough.

US 74 and 76 from Chattanooga to Wrightsville Beach, NC.

US 1 and US 301 between Folkston, GA and Petersburg, VA.
US 1 and US 17 between Jacksonville and Fredericksburg, VA.
US 1 and US 13 between NE Philadelphia and Morrisville, PA.

US 22 and I-78 between Kuhnsville, PA and Still Valley, NJ.

TX SH 130 and IH 35 in Texas between SA and Austin.
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GaryV

I-75 and US 23 from Flint to near Standish, MI     :-D

SkyPesos

Quote from: cabiness42 on June 15, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
US 41 and IN 63 meet at both ends of IN 63.
Similar to that one, US 50 and OH 32 between an interchange with US 50 east of Cincinnati and where US 50 joins Corridor D west of Athens. Though OH 32 have pointless concurrencies east of that point with US 50 and OH 7 before ending.

Flint1979

I-75 and US-23 between Standish, MI and Perrysburg, OH.

Rothman

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Evan_Th

I-5 and CA 99 between Bakersfield and Sacramento.

I-5 and US 101 between Los Angeles and Olympia.

ran4sh

In Northeast Georgia, SRs 53 and 211 intersect each other several times. Both are routes from Winder to the Gainesville area, specifically Oakwood.

On a larger scale, there is both US 78 and 29 between Atlanta and Athens, both US 78 and 278 between Atlanta and Augusta. Additionally if we are considering cities/urban regions (as opposed to intersection points) then both US 23 and US 19 go from Atlanta to Asheville (They don't intersect in Atlanta, so they fail the strict standard of going between the same 2 "points").

You also have things like US 23 and 129 both going from Macon to Gainesville, but no one would actually use US 23 for that trip.
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WI 16 and WI 127 from near Wisconsin Dells and Portage.

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