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Started by bob7374, May 14, 2021, 11:51:54 PM

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kurumi

Connecticut's case of US 44A was not so much willful noncompliance, but details falling through the cracks; but in the eyes of AASHTO, US 44A never existed: https://www.kurumi.com/roads/ct/us44a.html
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SEWIGuy

Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?

usends

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?
US 377 in Oklahoma says hello.  Like the name says, it's just an association of state highway officials; the organization doesn't really have the authority to enforce anything.
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Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?
Ridicule by us, on here.
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?

You're forced to spend a week in Orleans County, NY, debating the feasibility of the Chicago hypotenuse.
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ilpt4u

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 20, 2021, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?

You're forced to spend a week in Orleans County, NY, debating the feasibility of the Chicago hypotenuse.
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on August 20, 2021, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?
Ridicule by us, on here.

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kphoger

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 20, 2021, 06:41:54 PM

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?

You're forced to spend a week in Orleans County, NY, debating the feasibility of the Chicago hypotenuse.

With Joe Biden, I assume.  He'd look real bad if he didn't show up.
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Scott5114

Quote from: usends on August 20, 2021, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?
US 377 in Oklahoma says hello.  Like the name says, it's just an association of state highway officials; the organization doesn't really have the authority to enforce anything.

The AASHTO archive shows that it was a little more complicated than ODOT just signing it without AASHTO approval–the designation was actually written into law a few years prior (years before I-99), but AASHTO declined it anyway. Faced with the decision to comply with federal law or with AASHTO, they went with federal law.

I need to put this into the US-377 Wikipedia article so it's better publicized what actually happened.
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on_wisconsin

Quote from: kphoger on August 20, 2021, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 20, 2021, 06:41:54 PM

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?

You're forced to spend a week in Orleans County, NY, debating the feasibility of the Chicago hypotenuse.

With Joe Biden, I assume.  He'd look real bad if he didn't show up.

Especially since some members of the Eureka PD are planning on having a roundtable discussing the Immigration Freedomway with him, afterwords.
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froggie

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 20, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: usends on August 20, 2021, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?
US 377 in Oklahoma says hello.  Like the name says, it's just an association of state highway officials; the organization doesn't really have the authority to enforce anything.

The AASHTO archive shows that it was a little more complicated than ODOT just signing it without AASHTO approval–the designation was actually written into law a few years prior (years before I-99), but AASHTO declined it anyway. Faced with the decision to comply with federal law or with AASHTO, they went with federal law.

I need to put this into the US-377 Wikipedia article so it's better publicized what actually happened.

Federal law or state law?

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Quote from: froggie on August 21, 2021, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 20, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: usends on August 20, 2021, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 20, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Are there any sanctions if states just sign something without AASHTO approval?
US 377 in Oklahoma says hello.  Like the name says, it's just an association of state highway officials; the organization doesn't really have the authority to enforce anything.

The AASHTO archive shows that it was a little more complicated than ODOT just signing it without AASHTO approval—the designation was actually written into law a few years prior (years before I-99), but AASHTO declined it anyway. Faced with the decision to comply with federal law or with AASHTO, they went with federal law.

I need to put this into the US-377 Wikipedia article so it's better publicized what actually happened.

Federal law or state law?

Federal law. One of Oklahoma’s congressmen threw it into some bill I believe.

Edit: see Scott’s post in this thread.

Scott5114

Yep. Rep. Wes Watkins wrote it into the 1988 transportation appropriations bill (actually signed into law in 1987).
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Beeper1

Quote from: cl94 on August 19, 2021, 10:11:37 PM
So NYSDOT didn't even submit the application to relocate US 9 until after the ramp was permanently closed. Pfft.

New Jersey still has never applied to reroute US-9 off the Beesley's Point Bridge, which has been gone for years. 

LM117

Quote from: Rover_0 on August 09, 2021, 03:53:49 PM
I've gotten an email from the USRNC contact, and they said that they are in the process of adding the 2016-present USRNC decisions onto the big database sometime later this month.

CORRECTION: The USRNC member emailed me a PDF with the final decisions. Hopefully this link works. Among the changes confirmed are:

I-587 in North Carolina has been conditionally approved.

An update on this for anyone interested: NCDOT just posted a press release today announcing FHWA approval for I-587 between I-95 and Greenville. I-587 shields will be posted sometime next year.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-11-16-i-587-designation-approved.aspx
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