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Author Topic: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?  (Read 1956 times)

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Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« on: November 23, 2021, 12:33:13 PM »

Did not AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers?  I seem to remember a user tell me why the delay on I-49 in the state a few years back. 

I find that odd, I must say as AR 9 has always been two different routes and close together as well.  So whatís up with this?

If so I find it very hypocritical to say the least.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2021, 12:53:35 PM »

For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers, yet AR 9 has always been two different routes and close together as well. 

That is very hypocritical to say the least.

Oh, Arkansas has lots of that sort of discrepancy throughout the state.  With the exception of AR-980, which is used for every state maintained small airport access road, nearly all of the other instances were from cases where the route was continuous at one time, but became disconnected as time progressed.  See AR-74, AR-60, AR-215, etc., etc.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2021, 04:25:18 PM »

For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers, yet AR 9 has always been two different routes and close together as well. 

That is very hypocritical to say the least.

Oh, Arkansas has lots of that sort of discrepancy throughout the state.  With the exception of AR-980, which is used for every state maintained small airport access road, nearly all of the other instances were from cases where the route was continuous at one time, but became disconnected as time progressed.  See AR-74, AR-60, AR-215, etc., etc.

OR IH-49....
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2021, 06:55:17 PM »

For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers,
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2021, 09:07:03 AM »

Quote from: roadman65
For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers,

I agree with SPUI and would like to see a source for this.  I-49 has been in planning for well over 20 years and in my experience the state hasn't had a problem with having both I-49 and US 49.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2021, 09:32:11 AM »

For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers, yet AR 9 has always been two different routes and close together as well. 

That is very hypocritical to say the least.

Oh, Arkansas has lots of that sort of discrepancy throughout the state.  With the exception of AR-980, which is used for every state maintained small airport access road, nearly all of the other instances were from cases where the route was continuous at one time, but became disconnected as time progressed.  See AR-74, AR-60, AR-215, etc., etc.
It sounds like theyíre taking a page from Indianaís book on how to treat state routes  :-D
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2021, 10:47:53 AM »

For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers, yet AR 9 has always been two different routes and close together as well. 

That is very hypocritical to say the least.
There's about a 20-mile gap between the two sections of AR-9, and from what I've read it looks like that gap represents an unbuilt section that would have gone through some rugged terrain between Malvern and Crows. Not the first time this has happened anywhere. Think: Highway 65 in California has two sections separated by about 200 miles that were envisioned to be part of a continuous freeway running up the east side of the Central Valley (not surprisingly to be called the Eastside Freeway).
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2021, 10:10:45 PM »

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For years AR roads department didn’t want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers,

I agree with SPUI and would like to see a source for this.  I-49 has been in planning for well over 20 years and in my experience the state hasn't had a problem with having both I-49 and US 49.

IH-49 and US-49 are on opposite sides of the state and both run predominately n-s. While AASHTO originally wanted the Interstate and the US highway with the same number to not be in the same state. There was at least this one exception made. Unless Texas makes some drastic changes, US-69 and IH-69 are not only going to be in the same state BUT will also intersect and probably have a short concurrency.  Texas has not suggested there is any change coming...
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2021, 10:19:06 PM »

There was at least this one exception made. Unless Texas makes some drastic changes, US-69 and IH-69 are not only going to be in the same state BUT will also intersect and probably have a short concurrency.  Texas has not suggested there is any change coming...
I-41/US 41 and I-74/US 74 are in the same state and concurrent with each other at some point (or in I-41's case, its entire route).
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2021, 10:36:41 PM »

Quote from: roadman65
For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers,

I agree with SPUI and would like to see a source for this.  I-49 has been in planning for well over 20 years and in my experience the state hasn't had a problem with having both I-49 and US 49.


Unfortunately the source was in common road talk off the forum. I was discussing with someone on this forum who has incredible knowledge of the situation why the process of getting the I-49 designation applied. I wonít say more Froggie, but youíve met the guy in person years ago.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2021, 11:04:23 PM »

I rephrased the OP.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2021, 05:40:17 PM »

Quote from: roadman65
For years AR roads department didnít want a US 49 and I-49 in the same state due to duplication of numbers,
I agree with SPUI and would like to see a source for this.  I-49 has been in planning for well over 20 years and in my experience the state hasn't had a problem with having both I-49 and US 49.

I've never heard that either.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2021, 02:27:58 PM »

Arkansas apparently has a lot of hidden concurrences. Source: my experience in driving Arkansas 7 from Hot Springs to Louisiana.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2021, 02:41:15 PM »

There was at least this one exception made. Unless Texas makes some drastic changes, US-69 and IH-69 are not only going to be in the same state BUT will also intersect and probably have a short concurrency.  Texas has not suggested there is any change coming...
I-41/US 41 and I-74/US 74 are in the same state and concurrent with each other at some point (or in I-41's case, its entire route).

Not saying it hasn't been done. The point is that this is the reason why there was not originally (and still isn't) an Interstate 50. The ORIGINAL plan was for there to be no duplications in the same state and certainly no intersections or concurrencies.
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Re: Why was AR 9 exempt from duplicate numbering?
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2021, 01:42:45 AM »

AR 9 is far, far from the only Arkansas state highway with more than one segment. There are probably as many if not more discontinuous state highways as there are continuous ones in Arkansas. There are gaps all over the state.
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