Roads you would NOT want on your commute

[Max Rockatansky]

I-5 through downtown Seattle seems pretty unappealing given how much it backs up.  I-405 exists but isn't exactly the greatest alternate out there given how much traffic goes to Bellevue.  I feel as though every time I go to Washington for a work trip I do whatever I can to avoid either if possible (such as using the ferry routes).

[zzcarp]

I-25 in Denver. About 20 miles of suck in both directions.

Agreed. Unfortunately, my company just moved to Inverness so I get to drive the I-25 funhouse every day from US 36 to County Line. I'll probably take 470 home since anytime after about 2 pm can be a $#!& show in central Denver.

Though if I had to drive I-270 through Commerce City every day, my head would explode.

[jmacswimmer]

Definitely I-495/Capital Beltway specifically at the Legion Bridge over the Potomac. I've had to do it on a few one-off occasions over the years going to my company's headquarters in Fairfax, and northbound in the afternoon can be absolutely miserable. I think on one of my absolute worst experiences in summer 2017, it took a good 30 minutes to travel the 7 miles from VA 267 to I-270 (for those keeping score, that's an average of 14 mph). 495NEXT is underway on the Virginia side, but all that'll do is push the bottleneck a few miles downstream until Marylanf ever does anything on its side (if it all).

[triplemultiplex]

Because no one ever gets shot on the freeway in the suburbs?

I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on this.  If anyone out there is such a scared little wuss that they won't drive on a FREEWAY through a city because they think someone is going to shoot at them, just go ahead and kindly fuck off forever.  Turn off the right-wing radio and relax.  That person clearly has zero ability to objectively assess actual threats and are simple buying into a narrative spoon-fed to them by zealots for fascism.

Frankly it's quite arrogant to think that one is so special that some "thug" is going to single them out among tens of thousands of vehicles whipping down the road for a random act of violence.  It's an extremely stupid thing to worry about and those people who do, even a little bit, are stupid.  If one is going to be worried about crime in the city, then fucking learn something about it; that it's rarely just some rando getting shot.  It's almost always a preexisting dispute that comes to violence.  "They" don't care about your timid, suburban ass driving along.  You are not special.  You are nobody.  So don't pretend like they're going to come after you.

[Roadgeekteen]

Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.

[Max Rockatansky]

Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.

People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.

[Roadgeekteen]

Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.

People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.

1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?

[Max Rockatansky]

Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.

People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.

1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?

I'm not saying it's logical.  It was all over the news and got sensationalized. 

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.

People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.

1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?

I'm not saying it's logical.  It was all over the news and got sensationalized. 

The vast majority of these sorts of incidents involve people who know each other. Your odds of being shot at on the freeway by some rando are basically zero.

[Max Rockatansky]

Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.

People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.

1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?

I'm not saying it's logical.  It was all over the news and got sensationalized. 

The vast majority of these sorts of incidents involve people who know each other. Your odds of being shot at on the freeway by some rando are basically zero.

The Phoenix incidents on I-10 was someone trying to be a sniper.  It was someone who didn't really understand how ballistics worked with impact on glass.

[JoePCool14]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

[Max Rockatansky]

Two years ago, there was a guy riding a motorcycle on northbound CA 41 with his wife as the passenger.  Someone rolled up to them in a car north of Elkhorn Avenue and blasted the wife off the back of the motorcycle with a gun shot out the passenger window.  I drove by the homicide investigation scene shortly after it happened.

[Roadgeekteen]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/

This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.

[Max Rockatansky]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/

This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.

That's what you don't understand about sensationalism.  Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger. 

[Roadgeekteen]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/

This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.

That's what you don't understand about sensationalism.  Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.

I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.

[Max Rockatansky]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/

This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.

That's what you don't understand about sensationalism.  Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.

I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.

You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person. 

[GaryV]

A road I would not want: a freeway with exits only every 3-5 miles.

[Roadgeekteen]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/

This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.

That's what you don't understand about sensationalism.  Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.

I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.

You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.

Hopefully my fellow AAroads users are smarter than the average person.

[skluth]

A road I would not want: a freeway with exits only every 3-5 miles.

That's the norm around here. Of course, it doesn't hurt that much of the freeway goes through the desert a few miles north of town with a mile-wide arroyo/wadi between PS and I-10.

[thspfc]

Agree, this one is absurd: a 4 lane freeway serving as the only freeway link between a major city and it's north suburbs (and points beyond). That thing is a travesty that appears to be stuck in 1965. I've heard that it's to be widened but unless it's to 8 lanes, it won't be enough.

Been under construction for expansion to 6 lanes for over a year.  Though they are starting up in Ozaukee County for some reason.  Probably for staging reasons with the recent project to take out the viaduct over the former railyard by Koss.

Six lanes will be fine when it's all done.  It's the drop from 6 to 4 at Silver Spring that strangles 43.  That and a lack of aux lanes between ramps from North Ave thru Capitol.

If that's not bad enough, there's the occasional shooting that takes place on what we can call Milwaukee's answer to the Dan Ryan.

Oh pul-eease.  That's such bullcrap to be worried about getting shot at on a freeway like that. You'll die a thousand times in a regular old car crash before some stray bullet comes near you driving thru "the ghetto".

While the odds of getting shot at on the road are minimal, it's still a possibility. And sometimes you never know, if you accidentally cut someone off and piss them off enough...

This is the same flawed logic that lottery addicts use. "You know, I could win a billion dollars . . . "

And the area around the I-43 corridor isn't even that bad. North Ave and Locust St are exits I wouldn't take at night, but other than that it's actually quite nice.

As of now, the road itself simply sucks. The area around Silver Spring in particular is a mess of traffic.

[Max Rockatansky]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/

This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.

That's what you don't understand about sensationalism.  Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.

I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.

You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.

Hopefully my fellow AAroads users are smarter than the average person.

Probably true, but dudes like this sure counterbalance things, don't they?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13802

[Roadgeekteen]

Just found this for Chicago.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/

Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/

This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.

That's what you don't understand about sensationalism.  Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.

I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.

You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.

Hopefully my fellow AAroads users are smarter than the average person.

Probably true, but dudes like this sure counterbalance things, don't they?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13802

And a certain Long Island dweller who I won't mention.

[hotdogPi]

And a certain Long Island dweller who I won't mention.

Mike2357?

[Roadgeekteen]

And a certain Long Island dweller who I won't mention.

Mike2357?

No, George Santos

[Bickendan]

Any road in India.
Ok, UP 62 in Agra will be the stand in.
Heavy mixed use traffic. Lane markings are suggestions. Intersections are free for alls.
U turns required for a number of maneuvers.
Scooter riders riding the wrong way down a carriageway.
Driver indication virtually non-existent.
Elevated metro construction in the median.
Signals only observed for straight through traffic.
Vehicles turning from far lanes and cutting off traffic.
Taj Mahal and Fort Agra tourist traffic.