FL 50

[Max Rockatansky]

You might not believe this (I sure found it hard to believe), but that house in Ridge Manor was actually made in 1978! I forget when Ridge Manor was founded, but I'm pretty sure it was long before then.


There's also another former segment on the north side near the Withlacoochee River area, although only the side on the east bank of the river is still paved.

About the only thing on that structure that lends it being somewhat modorn to the eye is that big garage.  Interestingly it may still be the root of the community name as Ridge Manor doesn't appear on those 1936 Hernando County Road maps but places like the original Spring Hill and Rital do. 

You're right about that grade north of the current Withlacoochee River Bridge.  On the west side of the bridge the elevation line of the former roadway still connects to Croom-Rital Road/Old FL 39.  I forgot that section was even there, I'll have put an update up expounding upon it. 

[Max Rockatansky]

Finished Part 3 of the Florida State Road series which covers Lake County.  FL 50 has a significant divergence at Lake Minneola starting at County Route 565A.  FL 50 originally turned north around Lake Minneola and utilized a much terrain based alignment that is partially now County Route Old Highway 50:

https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-state-road-50-lake-county.html

[Max Rockatansky]

Part 4 of the Florida State Road 50 series is complete and covers the rest of the highway from the Orange County line to US 1 in Brevard County.  Orange County in particular has some interesting older alignments that were worth a mention and a place worth stopping in Lake Eola Park.  Christmas is a neat place but the lack of CR 420 shields at Lake Pickett Road and Fort Christmas Road is a disappointment.  Really I think breaking this series up into four parts was a good idea in retrospect given how much of FL 50 is a nostalgia trip for me coupled with the absurd amount of signed highway junctions.  All the blogs in theory should link in sequence to each other from Part 1 to Part 4:

https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-state-road-50-part-4-orange.html

[roadman65]

Finished Part 3 of the Florida State Road series which covers Lake County.  FL 50 has a significant divergence at Lake Minneola starting at County Route 565A.  FL 50 originally turned north around Lake Minneola and utilized a much terrain based alignment that is partially now County Route Old Highway 50:

https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-state-road-50-lake-county.html

Also to note that Hancock Road severed some of Old SR 50 just recently. At that road the two segments of Old 50 do not line up with another and have to take a jog on Hancock to continue.  Apparently, Lake County did not want a shallow angle intersection so it chose two T intersections instead.

Osceola County did the same for Old Dixie Highway when Osceola Parkway (Dart Blvd. at the time) was constructed to avoid a shallow angle intersection as well by splitting the alignment up.

[Max Rockatansky]

Finished Part 3 of the Florida State Road series which covers Lake County.  FL 50 has a significant divergence at Lake Minneola starting at County Route 565A.  FL 50 originally turned north around Lake Minneola and utilized a much terrain based alignment that is partially now County Route Old Highway 50:

https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-state-road-50-lake-county.html

Also to note that Hancock Road severed some of Old SR 50 just recently. At that road the two segments of Old 50 do not line up with another and have to take a jog on Hancock to continue.  Apparently, Lake County did not want a shallow angle intersection so it chose two T intersections instead.

Osceola County did the same for Old Dixie Highway when Osceola Parkway (Dart Blvd. at the time) was constructed to avoid a shallow angle intersection as well by splitting the alignment up.

I (think without rereading the Lake County blog) forgot if I mentioned that the Turnpike also breaks up the old alignment of FL 50 and requires use of CR 455 to bridge the gap.

[Max Rockatansky]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~290703~90062411:Florida---Western-Section-and-Vario?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:tampa;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=8&trs=12

[kevinb1994]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~290703~90062411:Florida---Western-Section-and-Vario?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:tampa;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=8&trs=12

What a throwback!

[formulanone]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~290703~90062411:Florida---Western-Section-and-Vario?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:tampa;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=8&trs=12

Heh, cute map. "Just draw some harmless animals in the empty spaces, okay?"

[Max Rockatansky]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~290703~90062411:Florida---Western-Section-and-Vario?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:tampa;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=8&trs=12

Heh, cute map. "Just draw some harmless animals in the empty spaces, okay?"

As opposed to the more potentially harmful alligators, crocodiles, sharks, pythons and black bears. 

[NE2]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

I'm pretty sure that's BS. The 1945 definition puts 50 on Colonial between Tildenville and Minorville.

[Max Rockatansky]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

I'm pretty sure that's BS. The 1945 definition puts 50 on Colonial between Tildenville and Minorville.

I always wondered about that regarding Colonial.  I've always suspected Old Winter Garden Road was all Pre-1945 fare.  Any idea when Colonial was built up west of Orlando?  FCIT had lots of 1936 State Road maps but didn't have anything for Orange County. 

[NE2]

I always wondered about that regarding Colonial.  I've always suspected Old Winter Garden Road was all Pre-1945 fare.  Any idea when Colonial was built up west of Orlando?

Pretty soon after the renumbering. ROW maps were filed with the county in 1946 or 1949.
https://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/28001455.pdf?id=DOCC28001455.A0&parent=DOCC28001455

Go to https://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/docSearch.jsp and search for road in either party, change the dropdown next to it to wildcard search, uncheck the box on the right, and select right of way map. Or you can search by ROW map book number and leave the either party area blank.

[Brian556]

Part 4 of the Florida State Road 50 series is complete and covers the rest of the highway from the Orange County line to US 1 in Brevard County.  Orange County in particular has some interesting older alignments that were worth a mention and a place worth stopping in Lake Eola Park.  Christmas is a neat place but the lack of CR 420 shields at Lake Pickett Road and Fort Christmas Road is a disappointment.  Really I think breaking this series up into four parts was a good idea in retrospect given how much of FL 50 is a nostalgia trip for me coupled with the absurd amount of signed highway junctions.  All the blogs in theory should link in sequence to each other from Part 1 to Part 4:

https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-state-road-50-part-4-orange.html

I noticed that you left off some early alignments from the description.

1. Stairstep at Tildenville School Rd/ Brick Rd. Both roads are brick. 1935 map shows it:http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016513/00001/1x?search=orange+%3d1935

2. Sweeping curve/stairstep at Minorville. This was recently torn out, but GSV still shows it: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5561538,-81.5416807,3a,75y,97.82h,84.77t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1so3vtAaxfBXDLHNQmOKCdtQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Do3vtAaxfBXDLHNQmOKCdtQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D306.175%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100

3. Lorna Doone Bl/ Church St.https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5425068,-81.4054876,749m/data=!3m1!1e3

[Max Rockatansky]

Part 4 of the Florida State Road 50 series is complete and covers the rest of the highway from the Orange County line to US 1 in Brevard County.  Orange County in particular has some interesting older alignments that were worth a mention and a place worth stopping in Lake Eola Park.  Christmas is a neat place but the lack of CR 420 shields at Lake Pickett Road and Fort Christmas Road is a disappointment.  Really I think breaking this series up into four parts was a good idea in retrospect given how much of FL 50 is a nostalgia trip for me coupled with the absurd amount of signed highway junctions.  All the blogs in theory should link in sequence to each other from Part 1 to Part 4:

https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-state-road-50-part-4-orange.html

I noticed that you left off some early alignments from the description.

1. Stairstep at Tildenville School Rd/ Brick Rd. Both roads are brick. 1935 map shows it:http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016513/00001/1x?search=orange+%3d1935

2. Sweeping curve/stairstep at Minorville. This was recently torn out, but GSV still shows it: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5561538,-81.5416807,3a,75y,97.82h,84.77t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1so3vtAaxfBXDLHNQmOKCdtQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Do3vtAaxfBXDLHNQmOKCdtQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D306.175%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100

3. Lorna Doone Bl/ Church St.https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5425068,-81.4054876,749m/data=!3m1!1e3

I had suspected Brick Road and took some pictures back in 2015. Trouble was that I was missing the map you listed in your first link.  I have maps from 1936 for Hernando, Sumter and Lake Counties listed in part 1 from UCIT.   The good news is that these blogs are incredibly easy to update. 

[roadman65]

I seen some old maps posted by AARoads on Facebook showing the original route number of SR 50 as SR 12.  It used the Washington Street/ Old Winter Garden alignment as it was shown.

Yes, Florida went through a renumbering like many states have over the course of the 20th Century.

Also to note that recently in Ocoee when Orange County widened Old Winter Garden Road they broke up old SR 50 (or 12) when they extended Old Winter Garden to connect to McGuire Road making the Old Winter Garden Segment to the Colonial Drive/ Bluford Avenue intersection an extension of Bluford requiring a right turn now to follow the old road.

[Max Rockatansky]

I seen some old maps posted by AARoads on Facebook showing the original route number of SR 50 as SR 12.  It used the Washington Street/ Old Winter Garden alignment as it was shown.

Yes, Florida went through a renumbering like many states have over the course of the 20th Century.

Also to note that recently in Ocoee when Orange County widened Old Winter Garden Road they broke up old SR 50 (or 12) when they extended Old Winter Garden to connect to McGuire Road making the Old Winter Garden Segment to the Colonial Drive/ Bluford Avenue intersection an extension of Bluford requiring a right turn now to follow the old road.

Do you have a link to one of the maps?  It looks like the majority of the Pre-1945 FL 50 corridor was on FL 22 from Mabel east to the Indian River.  The recent Orange County Map shows FL 51 reaching Minorville which means it would have traveled there all the way east from Brooksville.  That Orange County Map largely confirms the US 17/92 multiplex I suspected on Orange Avenue to Colonial in downtown Orlando. 

[Max Rockatansky]

Turns out I do have my old photos of Brick Road in Tildenville:

https://flic.kr/p/SziaaY

https://flic.kr/p/Sp942Q

[roadman65]

I seen some old maps posted by AARoads on Facebook showing the original route number of SR 50 as SR 12.  It used the Washington Street/ Old Winter Garden alignment as it was shown.

Yes, Florida went through a renumbering like many states have over the course of the 20th Century.

Also to note that recently in Ocoee when Orange County widened Old Winter Garden Road they broke up old SR 50 (or 12) when they extended Old Winter Garden to connect to McGuire Road making the Old Winter Garden Segment to the Colonial Drive/ Bluford Avenue intersection an extension of Bluford requiring a right turn now to follow the old road.

Do you have a link to one of the maps?  It looks like the majority of the Pre-1945 FL 50 corridor was on FL 22 from Mabel east to the Indian River.  The recent Orange County Map shows FL 51 reaching Minorville which means it would have traveled there all the way east from Brooksville.  That Orange County Map largely confirms the US 17/92 multiplex I suspected on Orange Avenue to Colonial in downtown Orlando. 

I have to ask Alex, as it was his maps or ask to join Facebook FL Roads Group as its on there as well as old Jacksonville maps showing the pre interstate freeways which mainly had the US 1 and US 1 Alternate freeways to bypass Downtown Jacksonville then.

[Max Rockatansky]

I seen some old maps posted by AARoads on Facebook showing the original route number of SR 50 as SR 12.  It used the Washington Street/ Old Winter Garden alignment as it was shown.

Yes, Florida went through a renumbering like many states have over the course of the 20th Century.

Also to note that recently in Ocoee when Orange County widened Old Winter Garden Road they broke up old SR 50 (or 12) when they extended Old Winter Garden to connect to McGuire Road making the Old Winter Garden Segment to the Colonial Drive/ Bluford Avenue intersection an extension of Bluford requiring a right turn now to follow the old road.

Do you have a link to one of the maps?  It looks like the majority of the Pre-1945 FL 50 corridor was on FL 22 from Mabel east to the Indian River.  The recent Orange County Map shows FL 51 reaching Minorville which means it would have traveled there all the way east from Brooksville.  That Orange County Map largely confirms the US 17/92 multiplex I suspected on Orange Avenue to Colonial in downtown Orlando. 

I have to ask Alex, as it was his maps or ask to join Facebook FL Roads Group as its on there as well as old Jacksonville maps showing the pre interstate freeways which mainly had the US 1 and US 1 Alternate freeways to bypass Downtown Jacksonville then.

Funny, asked back in Part 1 and joined said group.  Do you recall roughly when it was posted?

[kevinb1994]

I seen some old maps posted by AARoads on Facebook showing the original route number of SR 50 as SR 12.  It used the Washington Street/ Old Winter Garden alignment as it was shown.

Yes, Florida went through a renumbering like many states have over the course of the 20th Century.

Also to note that recently in Ocoee when Orange County widened Old Winter Garden Road they broke up old SR 50 (or 12) when they extended Old Winter Garden to connect to McGuire Road making the Old Winter Garden Segment to the Colonial Drive/ Bluford Avenue intersection an extension of Bluford requiring a right turn now to follow the old road.

Do you have a link to one of the maps?  It looks like the majority of the Pre-1945 FL 50 corridor was on FL 22 from Mabel east to the Indian River.  The recent Orange County Map shows FL 51 reaching Minorville which means it would have traveled there all the way east from Brooksville.  That Orange County Map largely confirms the US 17/92 multiplex I suspected on Orange Avenue to Colonial in downtown Orlando. 

I have to ask Alex, as it was his maps or ask to join Facebook FL Roads Group as its on there as well as old Jacksonville maps showing the pre interstate freeways which mainly had the US 1 and US 1 Alternate freeways to bypass Downtown Jacksonville then.

Yeah as as matter of fact US 1 Alternate still exists here in JAX.

[D-Dey65]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~290703~90062411:Florida---Western-Section-and-Vario?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:tampa;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=8&trs=12

Heh, cute map. "Just draw some harmless animals in the empty spaces, okay?"

Gulf did that in their road maps of Florida as recently as the 1970's.

[kevinb1994]

While this 1948 map shows FL 50 on it's old alignment to Minorville before shifting onto Colonial Drive through Orlando:

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~290703~90062411:Florida---Western-Section-and-Vario?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:tampa;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=8&trs=12

Heh, cute map. "Just draw some harmless animals in the empty spaces, okay?"

Gulf did that in their road maps of Florida as recently as the 1970's.

I have an old Gulf Map from about the time Disney World opened and was purchased by my dad's parents.

[NE2]

I have an old Gulf Map from about the time Disney World opened and was purchased by my dad's parents.

Your dad's parents must be rich!

[Max Rockatansky]

Part 4 of the Florida State Road 50 series is complete and covers the rest of the highway from the Orange County line to US 1 in Brevard County.  Orange County in particular has some interesting older alignments that were worth a mention and a place worth stopping in Lake Eola Park.  Christmas is a neat place but the lack of CR 420 shields at Lake Pickett Road and Fort Christmas Road is a disappointment.  Really I think breaking this series up into four parts was a good idea in retrospect given how much of FL 50 is a nostalgia trip for me coupled with the absurd amount of signed highway junctions.  All the blogs in theory should link in sequence to each other from Part 1 to Part 4:

https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-state-road-50-part-4-orange.html

I noticed that you left off some early alignments from the description.

1. Stairstep at Tildenville School Rd/ Brick Rd. Both roads are brick. 1935 map shows it:http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016513/00001/1x?search=orange+%3d1935

2. Sweeping curve/stairstep at Minorville. This was recently torn out, but GSV still shows it: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5561538,-81.5416807,3a,75y,97.82h,84.77t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1so3vtAaxfBXDLHNQmOKCdtQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Do3vtAaxfBXDLHNQmOKCdtQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D306.175%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100

3. Lorna Doone Bl/ Church St.https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5425068,-81.4054876,749m/data=!3m1!1e3

Made some updates to Part 1 and Part 4 of the FL 50 blog series based off the map links you posted.  I added my photos of Tildenville School Road and Brick Road to Part 4.  Below is the updated original right-of-way posted on Part 4:

-  CR 438 on Oakland Avenue through the Town of Oakland to Tildenville School Road in Tildenville.

-  Tildenville Road to Brick Road in Tildenville.

-  Brick Road to CR 438 on Plant Street.

-  CR 438 on Plant Street through Winter Garden to FL 438 east of FL 429.

-  FL 438 in Ocoee on Franklin Street to Taylor Street.

-  Taylor Street in downtown Ocoee to McKey Street.

-  McKey Street in downtown Ocoee to Bluford Avenue.

-  Bluford Avenue to Old Winter Garden Road/CR 526.  (part of this alignment incorporated a brick lined staircase sweep in Minorville via Main Street and Richmond Avenue)

-  Old Winter Garden Road/CR 526 through Gotha and Orlovista to the City of Orlando.

-  Old Winter Garden Road to Washington Street/CR 526 in Orlando.

-  Washington Street to Lorna Doone Boulevard.

-  Lorna Doone Boulevard on the south shore of Lorna Doone Lake to Church Street. 

-  Church Street to US 17/92 on Orange Avenue.

-  Orange Avenue on US 17/92 to Colonial Drive.