Please stay safe if you are in the Twin Cities, it's getting bad.
I grew up there. It had always been such a safe place. Glad to be in Austin Texas now.
Protests have spread elsewhere to places like Louisville and Denver, as well. What did target ever do to anyone?
I have a feeling this thread won't last long...
Quote from: ozarkman417 on May 29, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Protests have spread elsewhere to places like Louisville and Denver, as well. What did target ever do to anyone?
I have a feeling this thread won't last long...
The Louisville protests are regarding a separate police killing a couple weeks ago.
I'm so sick of violence against police officers in completely unrelated departments halfway across the country from where an incident occurred.
I'm also wondering when it becomes socially acceptable to start a riot when a [redacted]
Quote from: ozarkman417 on May 29, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Protests have spread elsewhere to places like Louisville and Denver, as well. What did target ever do to anyone?
I have a feeling this thread won't last long...
Nor should it. We're not collectively mature enough to let this not get really stupid in a hurry.
Apparently, there's a 'rally' planned at the Kansas Statehouse for 11am tomorrow. Let's see if Kansans can be more reasonable than elsewhere.
I'm sick of all violence, period. The initial violence and the reactionary violence.
I don't really want to get that political but since this thread exists it's impossible not to. If people don't like it when black people protest, perhaps stop electing governments that don't take action when a representative of the government kills a black person for no reason. Not all cops are bad, but when someone gets murdered by an agent of the state people have every right to stand up and holler and try to put a stop to it until we, the people, stop implicitly condoning it at the ballot box. And if your biggest concern is that it's annoying that there are protests - not that people are being losing their lives as a matter of course - perhaps some reflection is in order.
Just saying.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on May 29, 2020, 02:08:47 PM
I don't really want to get that political but since this thread exists it's impossible not to. If people don't like it when black people protest, perhaps stop electing governments that don't take action when a representative of the government kills a black person for no reason. Not all cops are bad, but when someone gets murdered by an agent of the state people have every right to stand up and holler and try to put a stop to it until we, the people, stop implicitly condoning it at the ballot box. And if your biggest concern is that it's annoying that there are protests - not that people are being losing their lives as a matter of course - perhaps some reflection is in order.
Just saying.
I don't disagree, but Minneapolis is a pretty liberal city in a somewhat liberal state and this still happened. One party pays lip service to the racial inequity in this country, but neither has really done much tangible to fix it.
Crime is higher among minorities because they are more likely to drop out of school and join gangs because they are more likely to be born to a single mother in poverty because the fathers are more likely to be incarcerated because crime is higher among minorities, a circle which all got started through systemic racism.
The cycle has to get broken, and it has to get broken when kids in bad neighborhoods are 5-10 years old. They need better school and neighborhood resources so they can learn that they have other options besides gangs and that there are people who care about them so that they have motivation to choose those other options. I don't have all the answers as to how exactly to accomplish this, but it's what need to be done and I've not heard any politician at any level say it.
Yes, it would be a massive financial investment, but it would get paid back over time, as when those 5-10 year olds become adults, fewer of them are committing crimes and draining the resources of law enforcement and the criminal justice system, and they also become productive members of society and pay money in taxes as opposed to receiving money through entitlements.
If you don't get to kids at a young age to give them a fair chance, there's not a lot you can do once they're adults.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on May 29, 2020, 02:08:47 PM
I don't really want to get that political but since this thread exists it's impossible not to. If people don't like it when black people protest, perhaps stop electing governments that don't take action when a representative of the government kills a black person for no reason. Not all cops are bad, but when someone gets murdered by an agent of the state people have every right to stand up and holler and try to put a stop to it until we, the people, stop implicitly condoning it at the ballot box. And if your biggest concern is that it's annoying that there are protests - not that people are being losing their lives as a matter of course - perhaps some reflection is in order.
Just saying.
Who said they don't like it when black people protest?
What I'm sick of is the
rioting. And that's true whether the rioters are black, white, or periwinkle. I also wish the police didn't kill people unless absolutely necessary–whether black, white, or periwinkle–but I also understand that unfortunate things happen and sometimes there's just a bad apple in the bunch. Besides which, the justice system is already turning its wheels pretty quickly in this case, so what further good is supposed to be accomplished by people getting up in arms?
If your biggest concern is the color of the victim's skin, then perhaps some reflection is in order. If you condone violence and rioting as an acceptable form of protest, then perhaps some reflection is in order.
Just saying.
Blaming it on gangs is a bit simplistic and does not reflect these cases at all.
These people were murdered by police for the color of their skin, not who they are affiliated with or how they acted. Rooting out the white supremacists from our police forces would be far more effective.
Note the state patrol this morning arrested a CNN crew who were following their instructions and identifying themselves. The reporter, of course, is non-white and thus easy prey for the white supremacists in uniform.
https://streamable.com/k6vaq4
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 02:29:30 PM
These people were murdered by police for the color of their skin
Is that why George Floyd was killed? If so, please cite your sources.
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 02:29:30 PM
These people were murdered by police for the color of their skin
Is that why George Floyd was killed? If so, please cite your sources.
Despite what the cops said about "physically resisting", there is clear surveillance footage from an adjacent store that showed Floyd being placed in handcuffs and being moved by officers around without resistance. He gets moved across the street and falls to the ground, but is pulled back up by a new set of officers.
Then for some reason, Derek Chauvin decided that pinning him to the ground by the neck was necessary. Floyd used the last bits of air in his lungs to plead for his life. He was dead when EMTs arrived.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/why-george-floyd-was-arrested-and-what-happened-in-the-minutes-following/
I doubt that most encounters with white people end in this manner.
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 02:27:18 PMWhat I'm sick of is the rioting. And that's true whether the rioters are black, white, or periwinkle.
I might consider attending a riot as a spectator just to see a periwinkle rioter.
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 03:01:52 PM
I doubt that most encounters with white people end in this manner.
Most encounters with black people don't end in this manner either.
Also, 3379 white people were killed by police brutality last year alone.
Stop pretending that only one race is affected.
Yes, I know the percentages are not equivalent, but that mean that police brutality against a black person is automatically due to the color of his skin–no matter what you "doubt".
(https://i.imgur.com/zrMZ6jL.jpg)
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:18:06 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 03:01:52 PM
I doubt that most encounters with white people end in this manner.
Most encounters with black people don't end in this manner either.
Also, 3379 white people were killed by police brutality last year alone.
Stop pretending that only one race is affected.
Yes, I know the percentages are not equivalent, but that mean that police brutality against a black person is automatically due to the color of his skin–no matter what you "doubt".
(https://i.imgur.com/zrMZ6jL.jpg)
So then, why did it happen
in this case?
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
So then, why did it happen in this case?
I don't know. That's my point. People assume it's because of his race, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Just finished some quick math, for those interested...
(https://i.imgur.com/8NBME5N.jpg)
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
So then, why did it happen in this case?
I don't know. That's my point. People assume it's because of his race, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Correct.
But it will never be said...so all that's left is to guess and assume.
some sites have been saying that the two (Floyd and the offending officer) worked at a nightclub together, but may not have known each other. Perhaps something happened there that led to this.. just a theory.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
So then, why did it happen in this case?
I don't know. That's my point. People assume it's because of his race, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Correct.
But it will never be said...so all that's left is to guess and assume.
And riot, of course.
I'm actually more interested to know why the other officers didn't step in.
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
So then, why did it happen in this case?
I don't know. That's my point. People assume it's because of his race, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Correct.
But it will never be said...so all that's left is to guess and assume.
And riot, of course.
I'm actually more interested to know why the other officers didn't step in.
Yes...and riot. Which is equally wrong.
As I said: I'm sick of all violence, period. The initial violence and the reactionary violence. BOTH.
And that's a good question about the other officers.
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
I'm actually more interested to know why the other officers didn't step in.
Because the "blue lives" spend more time watching out for each other, than watching out for the population they are
supposed to protect.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
I'm actually more interested to know why the other officers didn't step in.
Because the "blue lives" spend more time watching out for each other, than watching out for the population they are supposed to protect.
I have a couple of problems with that, though. First of all, while that may be true of some officers, I find it unlikely that it was true of
all three of the other officers present. The odds are slim that all of them care more about saving face than protecting citizens. Police work isn't "just a job", after all, and I have to believe that the majority of those who enter the profession do so out of a desire to actually serve and protect. Secondly, I don't see how doing nothing and letting a man die, in this day and age of recording arrests, can be expected to protect an officer; if anything, doing so would damn him to exactly the sort of scrutiny that's going on now.
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 02:29:30 PM
These people were murdered by police for the color of their skin
Is that why George Floyd was killed? If so, please cite your sources.
Despite what the cops said about "physically resisting", there is clear surveillance footage from an adjacent store that showed Floyd being placed in handcuffs and being moved by officers around without resistance. He gets moved across the street and falls to the ground, but is pulled back up by a new set of officers.
Then for some reason, Derek Chauvin decided that pinning him to the ground by the neck was necessary. Floyd used the last bits of air in his lungs to plead for his life. He was dead when EMTs arrived.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/why-george-floyd-was-arrested-and-what-happened-in-the-minutes-following/
I doubt that most encounters with white people end in this manner.
There may be more to it, and it is, IMHO, worthy of investigation (and makes the cop look even worse, IMHO).
https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-fired-officer-overlapped-security-shifts-at-south-minneapolis-club-may-28-2020/5743990/
Turns out, the now-fired cop and the victim worked at the same nightclub as security.
In before lock. I just want to say that I believe the whole world has gone batshit crazy. :-o
Dissent is an important part of change, but in a democratic society that provides for peaceful change, there is no issue that justifies a resort to violence. We must remember that the first civil right of all Americans is to be free from domestic violence. - - Richard M. Nixon.
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
So then, why did it happen in this case?
I don't know. That's my point. People assume it's because of his race, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Just finished some quick math, for those interested...
(https://i.imgur.com/8NBME5N.jpg)
But only 12% of America is african american.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 29, 2020, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
So then, why did it happen in this case?
I don't know. That's my point. People assume it's because of his race, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Just finished some quick math, for those interested...
(https://i.imgur.com/8NBME5N.jpg)
But only 12% of America is african american.
Right. But what I was responding to was the assertion below (emphasis mine):
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 03:01:52 PM
I doubt that most encounters with white people end in this manner.
That assertion was already assuming someone was having an encounter with a police officer, which is why I used the total number of arrests as my population size. The reasons for a disproportionate percentage of one race being arrested compared to another race are both complicated and also a topic for a whole other conversation.
Oh my god, please, somebody, lock this thread before my head explodes and people start turning each other into human pez dispensers.
Quote from: index on May 29, 2020, 05:10:18 PM
Oh my god, please, somebody, lock this thread before my head explodes and people start turning each other into human pez dispensers.
What, are you racist against Canadians and their flappy heads?
Quote from: Brandon on May 29, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: index on May 29, 2020, 05:10:18 PM
Oh my god, please, somebody, lock this thread before my head explodes and people start turning each other into human pez dispensers.
What, are you racist against Canadians and their flappy heads?
And their beady black eyes, too.
Man, it has been years since I saw that movie.
something something the abyss gazes back
Did you know that brown is a really dark orange?
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
I'm actually more interested to know why the other officers didn't step in.
Because the "blue lives" spend more time watching out for each other, than watching out for the population they are supposed to protect.
I have a couple of problems with that, though. First of all, while that may be true of some officers, I find it unlikely that it was true of all three of the other officers present. The odds are slim that all of them care more about saving face than protecting citizens. Police work isn't "just a job", after all, and I have to believe that the majority of those who enter the profession do so out of a desire to actually serve and protect. Secondly, I don't see how doing nothing and letting a man die, in this day and age of recording arrests, can be expected to protect an officer; if anything, doing so would damn him to exactly the sort of scrutiny that's going on now.
Look, I'm not here to present factual, tangible evidence to support my assertion. The same way people who are religious cannot possibly present factual, tangible evidence to support their beliefs. I'm simply saying that, in general, it seems like cops are more worried about themselves and their colleagues, even more-so than actual police work. For example, if Cop A immediately shoots to kill when it wasn't necessary, Cop B doesn't immediately arrest the other cop. The reaction is, "not sure that was wise" and then trying to find ways to justify their moves. The cops are more worried about themselves, period. They don't police each other, hardly ever. If they do, it's the Chief that does it purely for PR.
For the record, I appreciate cops. I have several in my family (including one who does detective work for LAPD), and I've watched every episode of Blue Bloods. But to pretend that even
most cops are more worried about finding the truth and serving and protecting? Maybe some, but I'm willing to bet a huge number are just former military who can't stand the thought of being in a job without a gun, and they walk around fully prepared to fire at all times (usually because they are worried about protecting themselves). 99% never do anything wrong, but it's the mindset of most cops that I think is the problem. Which is, protect myself and my colleagues, then citizens, then farm animals, then blah blah blah whatever.
Quote from: renegade on May 29, 2020, 04:43:37 PM
In before lock. I just want to say that I believe the whole world has gone batshit crazy. :-o
Shit it's probably getting locked, deleted, and the key thrown away. If you have an opinion, speak now or forever hold your peace. :-D
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
I'm actually more interested to know why the other officers didn't step in.
Because the "blue lives" spend more time watching out for each other, than watching out for the population they are supposed to protect.
Yep. Besides, the whole "serve and protect" mantra is BS since courts have consistently ruled that police have NO legal duty to protect you.
Quote from: renegade on May 29, 2020, 04:43:37 PM
In before lock. I just want to say that I believe the whole world has gone batshit crazy. :-o
What was your first clue? :-D
I'm just replying so I can keep up on what you guys end up saying before the likely lockdown comes.
Minneapolis just announced a curfew starting at 8 pm.
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 29, 2020, 02:29:30 PM
These people were murdered by police for the color of their skin
Is that why George Floyd was killed? If so, please cite your sources.
It is likely impossible to prove that race motivated any particular incident, unless the perpetrator is on the record saying so.
When the aggregate trends are viewed, however, it is clear that there are racial disparities in general with how people are treated by police. This is why we have the concept of systemic (as opposed to individualized) racism.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 29, 2020, 07:40:04 PM
Minneapolis just announced a curfew starting at 8 pm.
Like anyone is going to follow it..
Quote from: LM117 on May 29, 2020, 07:25:14 PM
Quote from: renegade on May 29, 2020, 04:43:37 PM
In before lock. I just want to say that I believe the whole world has gone batshit crazy. :-o
What was your first clue? :-D
Or perhaps more importantly,
when was your first clue? I hope this wasn't it.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 07:16:29 PM
Look, I'm not here to present factual, tangible evidence to support my assertion. The same way people who are religious cannot possibly present factual, tangible evidence to support their beliefs.
That's simply untrue, but probably best left at that... lest I contribute to expediting the inevitable with regards to this thread...
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 07:16:29 PM
I'm simply saying that, in general, it seems like cops are more worried about themselves and their colleagues, even more-so than actual police work.
That's no different from any other occupation or profession, though. You could say that about anybody. The only reason why we're even having this conversation is because of (1) higher stakes and (2) more publicity, with cops as compared to other occupations.
(Of course, that doesn't make the cops right, but they're hardly unique [referring to the 3 bystander cops here] in having major conflict of interest...)
Quote from: webny99 on May 29, 2020, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 07:16:29 PM
Look, I'm not here to present factual, tangible evidence to support my assertion. The same way people who are religious cannot possibly present factual, tangible evidence to support their beliefs.
That's simply untrue, but probably best left at that... lest I contribute to expediting the inevitable with regards to this thread...
As someone who is religious: I cannot think of tangible evidence for my faith. That's why I call it "faith".
Quote from: webny99 on May 29, 2020, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 07:16:29 PM
I'm simply saying that, in general, it seems like cops are more worried about themselves and their colleagues, even more-so than actual police work.
That's no different from any other occupation or profession, though. You could say that about anybody. The only reason why we're even having this conversation is because of (1) higher stakes and (2) more publicity, with cops as compared to other occupations.
Last I checked, police were the only profession that regularly arrest and kill other people (for right or wrong). It's a completely different occupation from anything else, yet cops treat each other like they're working a regular 9-to-5 gig. You better believe that a job where you can be judge, jury, and executioner is going to have a lot of publicity, as it should. Since, as I said, the police sure don't seem to police each other.
The stakes are not just "higher" than most occupations: it's basically the highest-stake position someone can hold. It needs different standards than a couple of schmoes working at Best Buy.
I give up. It's like I have to please the masses with my opinion.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 29, 2020, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: jemacedo9 on May 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
So then, why did it happen in this case?
I don't know. That's my point. People assume it's because of his race, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Just finished some quick math, for those interested...
(https://i.imgur.com/8NBME5N.jpg)
But only 12% of America is african american.
And are the source for 50% of the crime.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
Last I checked, police were the only profession that regularly arrest and kill other people (for right or wrong). It's a completely different occupation from anything else, yet cops treat each other like they're working a regular 9-to-5 gig. You better believe that a job where you can be judge, jury, and executioner is going to have a lot of publicity, as it should. Since, as I said, the police sure don't seem to police each other.
I don't have a problem with the publicity. I'm just saying, they're still regular human beings doing fairly standard stuff about 95% of the time. Being one of the other 3 cops in this situation would be an incredibly weird and scary situation. This guy that you've worked with, trusted, and had a relationship with, possibly for many years, suddenly turns out to be a murderer, and you're watching it happen in real time. You're probably in complete shock. How do you stand up for a total stranger and possible criminal, against the guy you know and have a relationship with?
You
can't just simply quit trusting another cop. Trust works both ways. You're kiboshing your relationship with him, possibly even risking your own job, not to mention your own
life, by publicly disagreeing with or "policing" another cop. Doing that goes against your entire training and the entire fundamentals of the profession. As devastating as it is when there's a bad egg cop and something like this happens, cops still
have to put trust in each other, or the entire concept of law enforcement crumbles. That's what makes this such a tough problem to tackle.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
The stakes are not just "higher" than most occupations: it's basically the highest-stake position someone can hold.
Pilots, surgeons, and the military come to mind as positions that can have similar stakes. Not 100% of the time, of course, but same goes for cops.
You see the destroyers. You don't see the people protesting for what they believe is right, and you don't see the people helping clean up the mess. That doesn't sell newspapers and rile up angry white people with no connection to the city.
It's a worldwide embarrassment and I've been ashamed to tell people I'm from here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9763871,-1.5865196,3a,15y,120.28h,89.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHeLZUWFt9o_ABmlUdbPpzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: NE2 on May 29, 2020, 11:01:51 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9763871,-1.5865196,3a,15y,120.28h,89.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHeLZUWFt9o_ABmlUdbPpzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
What
I probably shouldn't have started this thread. I'm just hoping that the riots calm down and that justice is served to the murders, ok?
Quote from: webny99 on May 29, 2020, 10:40:52 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
The stakes are not just "higher" than most occupations: it's basically the highest-stake position someone can hold.
Pilots, surgeons, and the military come to mind as positions that can have similar stakes. Not 100% of the time, of course, but same goes for cops.
Indeed...
(https://i.imgur.com/alFwd32.jpg)
Quote from: webny99 on May 29, 2020, 10:40:52 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
Last I checked, police were the only profession that regularly arrest and kill other people (for right or wrong). It's a completely different occupation from anything else, yet cops treat each other like they're working a regular 9-to-5 gig. You better believe that a job where you can be judge, jury, and executioner is going to have a lot of publicity, as it should. Since, as I said, the police sure don't seem to police each other.
I don't have a problem with the publicity. I'm just saying, they're still regular human beings doing fairly standard stuff about 95% of the time. Being one of the other 3 cops in this situation would be an incredibly weird and scary situation. This guy that you've worked with, trusted, and had a relationship with, possibly for many years, suddenly turns out to be a murderer, and you're watching it happen in real time. You're probably in complete shock. How do you stand up for a total stranger and possible criminal, against the guy you know and have a relationship with?
You can't just simply quit trusting another cop. Trust works both ways. You're kiboshing your relationship with him, possibly even risking your own job, not to mention your own life, by publicly disagreeing with or "policing" another cop. Doing that goes against your entire training and the entire fundamentals of the profession. As devastating as it is when there's a bad egg cop and something like this happens, cops still have to put trust in each other, or the entire concept of law enforcement crumbles. That's what makes this such a tough problem to tackle.
Of course they're just doing regular bullshit most of the time. Every job has its busywork, but it's that other 5% that ultimately define a cop. Lately, I've not got the impression that some cops are handling those other 5% too well.
I think you're giving cops too much leeway. They're supposed to be trained for situations like this, and apart from the cop with his neck on George Floyd, the rest were just doing regular busywork from what I could tell. There was no impression of shock. If they were sitting there, and another officer was kneeling on someone in a matter that was restricting his breathing, and he wasn't posing a risk to the officers, why didn't
anyone step in? My guess is: too much trust in each other. Too much blind faith between officers. Too much assuming that every cop is absolute and right in the justice they serve.
You can have trust without completely turning a blind eye to blatant murder. If my friend was outside a pub, strangling someone who was saying "I can't breathe", you better believe I would step in. I sure as hell don't want my friend going to jail for murder! I almost get the impression that the officers didn't step in because they knew what would happen (arrested, charged with murder or whatever) and wanted it to happen, because they didn't like Derek Chauvin.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 29, 2020, 11:51:03 PM
I probably shouldn't have started this thread. I'm just hoping that the riots calm down and that justice is served to the murders, ok?
This conversation didn't start here, and it won't end here either. Don't worry about it.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 29, 2020, 10:46:09 PM
You see the destroyers. You don't see the people protesting for what they believe is right, and you don't see the people helping clean up the mess. That doesn't sell newspapers and rile up angry white people with no connection to the city.
It's a worldwide embarrassment and I've been ashamed to tell people I'm from here.
I would be more embarrassed to tell people I was from a city that hired idiots like Chauvin, frankly.
If you want to talk about stuff like this, that's understandable. But it needs to be done on a forum that isn't this one.