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Why is I-22 in Alabama So Undeveloped?

Started by roadman65, June 24, 2024, 11:53:57 AM

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roadman65

If you ride I-22 anywhere in Alabama you will find the road to lack developed interchanges like all the rest of the state's interchanges on the other interstates?

For example, in Hamilton to find motorists services you must exit at US 43/278 and climb the hill and travel 3 miles into the center to find them. Yet in Mississippi all along the same freeway all the needed services are right at the interchanges.

Another thing I noticed is the lack of post interchange mileage signs to keep you informed of how far you are from the next exit and control destinations.

The freeway looks more like a parkway than an interstate and feels like you traveling in New Jersey or Connecticut on their interstates or even the LIE on Long Island being uninformed of your destination.

What's up with this highway?
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe


Rothman

It's new.  Development will come.  See also how the I-79 corridor in West Virginia developed over time.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

roadman65

Yet Mississippi didn't take long to build big box retail and such along its portion.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

JayhawkCO

Quote from: roadman65 on June 24, 2024, 01:11:25 PMYet Mississippi didn't take long to build big box retail and such along its portion.

Mississippi also actually passes through the "large" cities that I-22 hits (Tupelo and New Albany). I-22 in Alabama pretty much avoids Hamilton and Jasper.

clong

MS portion was functionally (not all parts fully to Interstate standards) well before the AL portion (20-30 years for some parts).

froggie

Quote from: roadman65 on June 24, 2024, 01:11:25 PMYet Mississippi didn't take long to build big box retail and such along its portion.

Mississippi's portion has been complete (as a freeway at least) since 1994.  You also have Memphis being "a little more" of a logistical hub than Birmingham ever will be.

edwaleni

I drove I-22 from Birmingham (with that silly gap) all the way to Memphis less than 60 days after it opened.

I wasn't expecting the world in roadside services, as after all it did just open, but yes at that time you had to go into Jasper or Hamilton to find something.

What surprised me more than roadside services was (at the time) huge gaps in the national cell phone network along the ROW. That has since been addressed but there were times where you had no signal for 30 or 40 miles.

I came back through about 18 months later and was completely surprised that I still had to get off on some country side road (Coalburg Road) because ALDOT had not finished the ramps with I-65. They still aren't done to Decatur Highway (US-31).

Last month, I was going to Huntsville and due to an accident, I had to take I-459 around to the south of Birmingham and then back up I-65.  I thought this would be a great chance to see all the work they had done to improve I-65 here.

As I work my way up I-65 North, no signage for I-22. I am now 2 miles (usually the first warning for an I route) from the I-22 exit ramp and still no warning. What's up? I thought. We hit the new pavement that came with the I-22 build and still no signage.

Finally I see this:



Now I have to ask, what gives? Is I-22 the road Alabama didn't want? Was it foisted on them like some sick child? This isn't a toll road, this is a public highway on a national network. It is almost like it doesn't exist or they didn't want it.

roadman65

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I-22 should have TO shields on I-20/59 at I-65 that direct you between interstates. They don't of course.

They don't have post interchange mileage signs like other AL state ( as I mentioned) and some ramps still have no I-22 shields. Heck the pull through at Jasper at SR 118 still lists US 78 as the only highway other than SR 4.

It is a good highway and despite driving into Jasper or Hamilton for services, it's a great drive between Birmingham and Memphis.

Oh yeah, the signs at US 78 near Adamsville lack East banners like the route goes both ways and forget finding AL 5 as that route is not signed at all on exit guides on I-22.

Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

wriddle082

Part of it could also be a lack of sewer lines close to the route, which could be discouraging development.  This is where the nearby cities or the counties need to step in and extend sewer lines to the exits.

After I-840 was built in Wilson County, TN (when it was still TN 840), there was practically no development near it for years.  Then Dover Downs announced that they would build the Nashville Superspeedway near the Wilson/Rutherford County line (it was supposed to be in both counties but Rutherford chose not to implement the rezoning).  While they were building it, either the county or the City of Lebanon extended sewer service all the way down the eastern 840 ROW to the site.  Since then, along the path, numerous warehouses (notably Amazon, Walmart, Starbucks, Chewy, and Aldi) and a high school were built nearby, as well as a Thornton's off the TN 109/265 exit and a Love's off the Couchville Pike exit.  It's not extremely dense development right now, but it's more than most anywhere else along 840.

roadman65

Well I-22 in Alabama is a hilly topography so that does make sense. In Mississippi it's more flat.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Bobby5280

I think it is interesting I-22 is 3x3 lanes wide from I-65 to the AR-269 exit in Jasper. With that kind of capacity level that specific stretch of I-22 could sprout a lot of new service businesses near the exits.

roadman65

The fact Graysville has three exits and still within Jefferson County I'm surprised one of the three exits hasn't allowed at least a convenience store if not other places.

Maybe Bucees should look into building a store here😂 or in Jasper. :bigass:
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

edwaleni

Quote from: Bobby5280 on June 24, 2024, 05:22:15 PMI think it is interesting I-22 is 3x3 lanes wide from I-65 to the AR-269 exit in Jasper. With that kind of capacity level that specific stretch of I-22 could sprout a lot of new service businesses near the exits.

I always thought it was for the trucks on hilly terrain.

As for a Buc'ees, AL-269 and I-22 would be a perfect spot.

Mapmikey

Quote from: edwaleni on June 24, 2024, 04:38:41 PMAs I work my way up I-65 North, no signage for I-22. I am now 2 miles (usually the first warning for an I route) from the I-22 exit ramp and still no warning. What's up? I thought. We hit the new pavement that came with the I-22 build and still no signage.

Not too much notice, but there is an advance sign on I-65 NB...https://maps.app.goo.gl/ymVBoCuLPAZGG8186

formulanone

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Quote from: Mapmikey on June 24, 2024, 08:12:50 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 24, 2024, 04:38:41 PMAs I work my way up I-65 North, no signage for I-22. I am now 2 miles (usually the first warning for an I route) from the I-22 exit ramp and still no warning. What's up? I thought. We hit the new pavement that came with the I-22 build and still no signage.

Not too much notice, but there is an advance sign on I-65 NB... https://maps.app.goo.gl/ymVBoCuLPAZGG8186


There's not much advance warning for I-22 on I-65 northbound, but two, one, and one-half mile BGSes when approaching it southbound.

You'd figure the approaches were the other way around, since few are likely headed north-west on I-22 from southbound I-65. Perhaps they figured drivers would get mixed up with a nearby I-20 and I-59 shields but there's plenty of room to include advance warning for a different interstate...

Henry

I don't think this will change until the Birmingham Northern Bypass (including the connecting I-222) is built, if ever. The fact that there are no businesses alongside I-22 where the exits are is totally unacceptable, especially compared to other established routes throughout the state.
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roadman65

You are right. I-22 is not your typical AL interstate. It has hardly no developed interchanges and even after a few years not one of the many greedy developers in this country has sought to acquire land at any interchange along the route.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe



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